Fladseth - #224 - Aleksander Bastiansen

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

Vi snakker om da gutten var midt i en tsunami i Thailand og alt mulig greier. Og han har soloshow 7 og 8 februar på Nieu scene - «Hemmet vekst»See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Stop! Stop it, you bastard! You're a zero now, we're on our way! That was a damn good one, you got it on your teeth! I threw it right here, we were sitting in a tiny... It's not very professional of me, but a research meeting. One minute before we start, and I don't have on the block here. What can we talk about? And then you say, what do you have? Just one time? Okay. I was calm with you. I got excited. You have a show called Hemed Vekst. And you will play it on? On the new stage. February 7th and 8th. February 7th and 8th.

Thank you so much for coming to promote it. It's the second time and it's so nice. You're not the first one to talk about it. You're nice to talk to. Yes, yes. And if I had known... What kind of... Now I'm hooking it up. If I had known what kind of gold digger it was,

you would have been there. And he's like, Annua Ruuket and talked about it. And you were... And now it's a bit disrespectful, because many have lost their lives and it was a bit of a thing. Long time ago, we can talk about it.

We'll get straight to it. You experienced a tsunami. Yes. Where were you? It was in 2004, around... no, 2004. I was 11 or 12. My family was on their first holiday trip to Thailand. That was the best holiday trip we had. We were on a lot of holidays. Even worse. I've read all the stories from there. Recently, it was a case in the evening bus with a family, with a family that... An old, top-class coach, actually, and his son who survived.

What makes it so insane is exactly the contrast between the modules, and then suddenly it turns so violent. Yes, and then there was zero infrastructure for a wave a wave either. We were at Kopipi, where The Beats was played. It's not the nicest place to be when you're going on vacation. It was the cheapest place we got to. We got there the day before the wave came. So we didn't see anything special from the city. We just saw from the dark and there was a lot of dark and a lot of shops. Not a tall tower to see. No, nothing.

But I was... This is a long time ago, but I woke up from the rift in the bed. And this is actually not cool, but I was 11, my brother was 14, so he had reached the age of his ass. And we lived in the same room. So I thought that he would just take the liberty to bang on it. And you had seen the bed before. We had a bed in the back. You weren't the first tsunami. Yes. The worst tsunami is when your brother is lying in the bed.

In the back. I don't know what is really scary. I woke up and I have always been fascinated by geography and geology. It's a natural catastrophe. And then we went down to breakfast. And then I remember, because I had talked to my father about tsunamis before. Because what happened there is that there has been a earthquake underwater. Yes.

Up on the sea. If I remember correctly, there was a record that had a diameter of 3 miles, which sank. So if you put your hand under the water surface and pull it down, you can see what would happen in a much larger scale. Is that what is called a tectonic record, or is there something deeper in it? I don't know. It's like the continent is breaking up. It's like the mountains are being created. Yes, it is.

It's really nice that it just happens, it's an own, I can't say ecosystem, but at least a system, far below the surface of the earth. And it shows. There's no point in doing it all. It creates new continents. It shows how vulnerable we are.

We talk about saving the earth with this green shift. I agree that we should do that, but the earth will manage. We are the ones who are fucked. We deserve to be fucked. At least some deserves it. It's such a shame that the ones who deserve it the most are the ones who get their own eyes, and who get their own secret bunker on their own eyes. Yes, yes, that's true. Why do they just turn the question around? About the Green Shift and... Is there one thing we know?

That you see it in extreme weather and everything. Things happen, you know. And then they stand in front and cheer out one who is completely against the shift we are going to go through. Do you mean Trump or Iran? Yes, Trump. Yes, but it's just... It's something... I think most people just pretend they care about something and are human, but when everything comes to everything, when you become so rich, you are largely a fucking rascal who can only think about yourself.

Yes, I learned at acting school that all people to the rest, you are egocentric. Yes, I think so. I remember when I worked in the daycare center, I thought that all the kids are little kids. When they are... You have a son, of course. He feels... With some mischief, you are so busy that it's mine, the doctor, and you dare to beat the time, you are very busy with the mini-games, and you dare to beat each other, because they thought it was... And then you have to get close to them, and say, now we have to share this, and learn this concept. Otherwise, people won't like it.

Otherwise, people won't like it. But internally, we want to have everything ourselves, and we want to have everything on our own. So we have to learn to be brave. I've been thinking about that... Because now I'm... Stop it, we're not... This here...

This is a long story. We can take it later. This is more of a prelude. We're going back to the tsunami. Where were we? We've just... But there was so small, the earth itself. Because it was so extremely far away. So we noticed it in a very small degree. Oh my God. I have to say it in the beginning. Indonesia, it was much closer. Things had been erased from the ground and then the waves came.

We went out for breakfast, which was by the water. I asked the captain if there was any danger to the tsunami. I remember I asked him. And then he said, I don't I asked him if there was any danger to the tsunami, I remember I asked him. And then he said, I don't think so, it was so small. And that was what everyone thought. And this is what is ironic, but I have thought a lot about if this had not happened, I could have been the same level as you. Because... It's always like that. Yes, yes. When you die, it's because you haven't done anything. But after breakfast, because we were there, my family, my brother, my father and my father,

and my uncle and aunt and cousin and my uncle and aunt. and then there was my uncle and aunt and cousin and my aunt and uncle and aunt. They were going out to buy sandals and my brother was going to lock them. I had received nice Nike sandals from my dad before we left home, so I wasn't allowed to be there. So I, my uncle and aunt, we went up to the hotel room on the second floor. It's a motel-like hotel. And we actually had asked for the first floor, which we were supposed to have to the beachfront. It's also a very ironic thing. Because then... It was crazy, I read that someone had a shadow job in the World Trade Center.

Woke up and just... Went out on the day and then it's so bad. Thank God for being a bad employee that day. Then I go up to the Muttrafat and Fattern and just have to smear and make sure we're ready for the beach. And then I was done, so I was just sitting there and thinking that the Muttner and the Fattern was going to be done. And then we just heard a hell of a lot of rambles. But we had been in Thailand for two or three weeks, and it's not abnormal that there are rambles in Thailand. So first we reacted to it, but then it was more and more and more.

And then I opened the door, to shut up a bit. And then I opened it and then I was like, oh shit, the water almost went up to the terrace where we were. And you see palms just cracking of power. But it's on the second floor, and there's water almost all the way up. Almost all the way up, yes. And I remember that we didn't quite understand what the deal was, we couldn't put it together in a way. So I understand that it starts to go down the stairs,

but there's water very fast. There was a dude who was sitting, who managed to crawl up a cliff, and just bled over his head. And he just called out, I don't remember the name, so he's like, I'm going to help you, are you okay? And then he just says, as if in a hurry, go back up, you can come back. And then we were like, okay, fine, what is this? Save yourself. And then I started to ask the father what this is.

He just, I don't know, it could be a water tower or something. That was the first thing we thought. It didn't connect. It didn't connect. And then we, then we realized it. And then the thoughts went to the uncle, aunt, the Stino, the boss and the brother. The brother was 14 or something. But we couldn't do anything, because the water pulled out afterwards.

And that was something. There was a cat that I had met the other day, who was pregnant. And just when the water came up the stairs, she was giving birth. So the cat and the kids lifted up from the water. In the birth? Right in the middle of the tsunami. It's not something I'm convinced of, but it's something symbolic. There's something there. I felt like I was building up some karma for all the other shit I've done in the past. It's fun to start building up karma when the water is on the second floor.

I just start with the cat, simple karma, easy poeng with the cat. And then quick I spent a lot of money on that, but look what I did with the And then the track went back a little bit. What was interesting was that all the structures on that island. What is the most? It's nothing that holds, basically. So you see that almost the whole island is just out on the waves. Yes, but you also see in more civilized lines with proper wall buildings and such. When something like that happens, everything falls out in the river. But it helped of course, not to have a flash. I'm glad we had... It was concrete where we were.

Yes, it was there. Yes, it was there, luckily. And then it was like that, then the disaster started. And I was in Erdvik, so I understood very little seriously. I mean, it was a bit like I went back to the reception and there was a lady there. I understood, but I couldn't really get it. But the captain, a military man, when he went around the city looking for me and the mutt, he was supposed to be there to try and help people.

Because there were injured people all the time. That's super dramatic. And then, when he came back after a couple of hours, if he hadn't found anyone, then the mitten broke, I remember. So then I had to help the mitten. Because you were with your mother and father, and your brother and your aunt's uncle.

Yes, my brother, aunt's uncle, Stine Steffen, Petter and my cousin. We didn't know where they were. And then the father went out again. There were a lot of stories about a bigger wave coming. He was up and down from the roof and went around and looked in the shadows and lifted things and everything. My father is a pretty heroic man. A very handy man.

It's crazy, you talked about the infrastructure. Now there are warnings and communication, which he had known that a new wave would not come, and he knew about the first one. So it's crazy what happened after that. We have been back there in the after-time, my parents were very smart about not being scared, we were the smartest, so we went back just two years. It's exactly the same place. But anyway, he came back again and he got messages from some other Australian army dudes. Like, now we've got messages that there's a bigger wave coming. You have to get up in the high.

So we took all the water we could find with us. And then we started to walk up through the city. And it was a ghost town, right? What was pretty beautiful about running through the city was that the Thai people who were born there, the ones who have lived there, the ones who have been beaten their whole lives, they were down in the city collecting food and drinks for the tourists who had run up to... I got lazy. Yes, you get lazy, but you also understand a little by the way of thinking that all that they make money on is tourism.

Yes, but you still get lazy. You get more. And then we ran up to... There was a Thai boxing arena a little up in the mountains there. And this has now gone far over the day. So that was a place where they gathered in a way, very wounded people. And I remember so many sick things there, but the only thing I remember that I remember so well, was that there was a very big, what should I say, broad-legged lady, who was stuck in the bar disc.

Is it like a Thai boxing leg? No, she was a white lady, but she had a big bicep. And she was stuck in the bar disc, which was there. And she was standing there holding on to the bar disc. And she was screaming so much. And I just saw her. I didn't see why she was screaming. And then she had a steel pipe that was just running through her skin. So they tried to pull us out. Wow. We felt like we weren't hurt or anything. We couldn't take a place there.

It was full of people who... What's that? I think it's called a ladder. Yes, outside the floor. So it was a mistake to be there. So we climbed further up. Then we went behind a Danish guy who had just broken his ankle across and he just kept walking. It was insanely serious with your pain system.

What I'm saying is that I haven't experienced any special pain in my life. That's good, of course, but it's not particularly character building. You've seen... This is like... I'm almost not able to get inside of myself, because I've seen it in movies and stuff, but it's... If those things happen in real life, you've seen it. One thing I have to agree with a lot of those movies from Thailand,

from that disaster, there have been a lot of good pictures of how things were. I didn't see how the waves hit, because I was in the hotel room and smeared myself with sunscreen, which is ironic, but there have been a lot of good pictures of it. Have you seen the last Las Palmas? Yes. I think so.

I haven't seen the waves, but I've seen a lot of videos of it. The waves on Las Palmas, it was not a wall with water that hit the country. Some places with the disaster in 2004. It's basically... It just comes and sits there? It just comes like a ball, or like a bulk in the water, and then it just continues out. Then we started to continue up over the mountains, and there are people everywhere. They just sit in the mountain view.

And then we stopped at a place where there was some space. And I asked, should we stop here and stay here? And then I said, let's just keep walking a little and see. And then we walked for about three more minutes and then we saw my cousin. And then it was both my brother, my uncle, my aunt and my cousin. I was actually feeling a bit afraid that some of them smoked there, because I had been so fed up with the tone. I turned around a bit. I have... I think it's very nice to joke about the things I have experienced.

I have lost close friends in recent times, and I am talking about that in my show now. Home to Ex, February 7-8. Yes, it will hold. I'm talking about that in my show now. Homework, February 7-8. Nice to see you. It's going well now. But I think... It has to come at a distance, and you have to get an ironic distance to it as well. But no matter if you're joking about it, it doesn't mean you're not just happy about it or something. No, it's... There you are, screwed up a little differently. I know many who have experienced terrible things, who joke a lot about it.

And you can say that... I haven't experienced much pain, something has happened of course. I think if I have experienced something, that I am just a person who feels that it is useful. And makes you feel good. And there you are a little different. Some people get shocked when they are talking about serious things. Because for them, the challenges of life are not anything fun. And they are not screwed together like that. And you have to have respect for that. I understand that too.

You have to have respect for that, but I also think that if you go to see Patrol and there is a comedian who makes jokes out of it, and you react to it, then they have to respect that it is his way to deal with it, and his right to share this experience. Of course, of course. And then you have to say, ok, you have to sit there and say, I don't think anything else, but I don't need to make a point out of it. No, and there is something about humor. There will always be a debate around it. Because some people feel that they are making fun of others, while others are just fooling around. I have nothing against anyone. I am very liberal. I like people. I respect people who are different. I am very much for people of people loving my friend.

But I think it can be fun to joke around with all kinds of people. So if you suddenly have to show off someone who has a handicap or has Down syndrome or is very different... That's more scary in my opinion. I feel a bit about that. I don't do anything big out of it. But I feel like, why are you show these people so violently? Otherwise you almost don't know them as your own individuals. That's how I feel about it. I think Dave Chappelle had a very good point about that. If you are to be a respected group in society and want to be included, then you also have to be able to be fooled. Right?

Yes, but at the same time you have the right to say that you don't want to be fooled. But I am more skeptical that others should go in and shame some people, because they feel that they are so weak that we should not talk about them. Yes, I had... It's old if I had it, but... I had the fear of being bullied by others. It's actually very scary, because then you say directly to that group that they are not strong enough to stand up for themselves, that they are weak people. And then I had this thing with... There was a lady who saw an abortion joke when I worked on the floor on the flat.

And I laughed at the joke because it was a very funny joke. And she walked past me and said, there is nothing funny, I'm pregnant. And I thought, why should she get pregnant on the way of the dead babies? They haven't said a thing word. They can't even process it. One thing is that we... Old Vist will say it. We have always been making things out of tragedy. Tragedies are... They stand for many years, because it's timeless.

You can't find a new tragedy, like humor has to be fresh, and it changes with time. But it's the same need, that in humor you want to take the worst part among us. And then you have to make mistakes sometimes to find... Because it's not like that. If you have a theme that is very hard for someone, then I need to repeat it a lot of times before the joke is good. At least with things like that. I have to know what energy and tone I should say things in and things like that. And then you have to be able to correct it.

Because the intention is never to hurt. The intention is to make people laugh at something that is terrible. And I think that is a very nice strength. Yes, and I'm not afraid that people will be bullied and all that. But often when you have a little bit of a bad thematic, when you have some bad on Saturday and called my girlfriend a whore. And that was a kind of overreaction, because we fight and it's fun to throw at that. That I'm the worst of the worst. That I'm the worst of the worst. And of course it's just a spin-up, right?

I think it seems to me that the audience understands very well that I'm not called a whore. It's fun to say and to put on the worst of the worst. And that's a simple thing. I think the audience understands that it's okay for them. Now my son has no sympathy with Siri Soder's show. If he becomes so nerd that he watches the show when he turns 18, and thinks that it's something he's been doing for a long time,

then it's, fuck off! Then I haven't done anything right. Then you have the option of doing something right. I totally agree. The worst joke I had to work through was a joke about a spontaneous abortion. And it's very hard, but it was from an experience I had. It's one of the best structured jokes I had, but the process of finding out how to do it and bring it closer to me. There were many jokes that ended with people being so bad to me when I left the stage. But you have to, if you want to talk about it. Yes, it's very important to dare to work out those things. And it's true, but it's not all jokes. Some jokes just come into play at once. The best jokes are the ones you have to crack for a while.

Yes, but that's what I've noticed. If you just... I know there's something here, but I just have to keep being in the uncomfortable. Yes, that's part of the process. It's very rare that jokes just come out of nowhere. Sometimes it happens, but you have to get rid of it. That's the job. So you found your family there. I like the digression here. It's always a good conversation. Yes, we found the family.

And there was a lot of uncertainty about whether a new stage would come. So we were at the top of the stage. But it must have been an incredible feeling. That you found everyone. Again, I was 11. I remember I was very. So it didn't... I remember I was very happy to see my brother, of course. But I remember that the brother

sat very, almost in shock for a long time. So the brother took... The father had to take the lead a little. And can you imagine... I mean, we were very afraid of the brother, but you can imagine how the brother thought. and took the Or has he managed to do it? You said you went back, that was important. We went back in... You took the side of the ferry back. We took the side of the ferry back, but... He... At least as far as I know, we haven't had...

I remember I was very scared in the first nights, because you could hear the water when you were going to lie down. So there were some nights when I struggled with that afterwards. The brother got flight fright due to turbulence, which is very strange, but that's what he says. No, because I can understand that too. It's probably that you are... the trauma is on a high level, We sat on the plane a lot. Please don't give me... You can overcome traumas. I can't do it. It's such a drive again. And we're going to drive now.

With all that in it. I don't care. We've just experienced a real sun. Are you kidding me? Because we were home. I don't care anymore. Now... We were up in the jungle overnight. Because you were home. I don't want to talk about it now. We were up in the jungle overnight.

That's very good. And it was very Texas, because there were a lot of people. We were first at the top, and then our parents... or the father, the uncle and the brother, they actually ran down to the countryside to get water and try to find some food and stuff. Took that risk there. And then we were up there for a while. People started to fire up the fire, people were crazy. People didn't think with their heads, so it just suddenly blew up to hell. The fire and stuff. So our parents said, okay, let's go down a bit and see if we can find a place on the other side of the mountain.

Let's see if we can find a place where we can be a little safe for ourselves. And we found that, but the problem was that there were many groups, and there were a lot of snakes that came into the camp, and then a complete panic broke out. This is completely lost, you see? All kinds of Norwegian culture and culture, and dealing with Christ and stuff. It's very interesting. I remember it so clearly, because we were a bit down in Lija, and we heard a bunch of buffaloes coming running. So at first we didn't understand anything, so we ran, but then we were right next to each other, very high grass. Seeds, I think.

Seeds, yes. Seeds. So then... Or it's the kiss in the maritim when it's a bit higher in the height. Is it seeds? I'm unsure. Yes, we can call it seeds for this time. I remember very much of seeds.

It's not that far away. It's quite a long maritim. We'll go for it. At least then we just agreed to see it. Because it happened a couple of times. We agreed to see it again, but we had to step out of it so we wouldn't get trampled. You said that it sounded like you were finding something. That it was the king of the lions and a train with buffaloes running past. No, you heard it. But it was snakes and other things that came in, in a way, to the camp for the groupings.

And then they panicked and ran down towards us. So then, because we were not going to be trampled, we were going to be trampled out to the side. And my cousin was bashed by a bear. That's okay. But it was in the middle of the show. That's okay. Now we have to reserve the thought of what happened. And then I was like,

''Cusine was bashed by a bear?'' That's what you've made on the list of the matters. But those things you remember. It was also one thing that was very funny, when we had made that plan, because we were in and out of bed, so when we had made that plan, because we were just going to run and run to the 7, the brother woke up faster and started running, and it was completely dark, so he ran straight into my uncle.

My uncle was a big ruffian, so he stood there and the brother just ran back. But again, now it's starting to get funny, because now you're on reserve. Yes, but there are some nice memories. It's very fun. Now we're done. Now Kjederik is not so much more. I was going to say something, but you were so cool. And then we got to... of fun. I was going to say something, but you were so cool. And then we got to... We got to screw up. I was going to blow up.

I was like a lion on my way down. To follow up, when we woke up at 5 in the morning, we started walking down. And that was pretty strange, because the school was on down in the city. And it was wet, it was actually a bit beautiful, but it was full of dead people lying everywhere. So it was a very strange thing. How is it to see people die like that? Because you notice that they are dead there? Or is it like being unconscious and then you understand? You notice that they are dead. You see it very often, the thorns and just... It's gone.

It's gone, but I remember for example, I just saw something here sticking out of a hat, when I was going to see if it was something to drink. And then it was like that, 100% dead. You just felt it when you saw the teeth. Because they hang like... Yes, I don't know how to... They don't have anything to do with that. It just hangs like...

It's like a homo crack in the in the toe. You see that it's not hanging, it's not muscles that are hanging up. I've thought a lot about whether this has fucked me up. But I think I've been fucking lucky. I've seen a lot of people there. I've seen a lot of really fucked up things as a very young kid. But I feel that it's coming back and just going back to normal life. And my parents were very clear that if you want to talk about it, or if you want to go to a psychologist or something,

then you should get it, but we didn't do that, and we did fine. It's... Well, how you work on things is at least mega natural. It's... It's like you think about when you have a child, right? And you might understand more of it now than you did before. This is about taking a small child,

take the feelings seriously. You never have to say with your grown head that this is nothing to cry about. This is nothing. A child doesn't understand that. A child feels things with his experience. A child needs to be taken up and given a hug. Sometimes I forget a little.

My son is crying and sitting in his bed. Don't be a money! And he doesn't have any words to say what he wants. And then I just come up and say, you have a problem? And he stops crying and says yes. But sometimes it's the same for us adults as well. I've started to learn it in the last years. But I've been getting used to it for the last few years. But I've been very into it.

I was a crybaby in my youth. I quickly got tired of it. Did you manage to cry a bit when your cousins were being bashed up by a guy? Up in Jokulæ? No, but it was in the foreground. I was very emotional. But with the boys, it wasn't accepted. So then I went to the secondary feeling of being angry.

So that became my default. Often, I was very pissed when I was teaching myself. That's not unusual. I was also pissed when I was in kindergarten and youth. I had a lot of aggression, which eventually got me tired. But it was in the course of something, yes. Yes, and it's nice when you start to be like, okay, okay, now you're angry. And there are several times that I fail to catch it and then it breaks. And then I screw up. I'm'm just sorry for what happened there.

But it's important to be sorry for it. To have a good hug from someone who cares about you. As an adult. To a certain extent I may do that, but for me life is not that complicated. For me life is not that complicated for me. I just feel that life is not that complicated for me. If I get tired sometimes, I rather go into the chemistry. I just know that this is not something I get to do so much with. Because sometimes the chemistry in the head is not always so stable.

And then I know that if I do the right things, I will be back in business. And I'm not much better than that, Dennis. Alcohol is actually depressing, and it's not completely behind the point that it's also not going to be a two-day expense. Monday then... Two days, I can't stand it anymore. But the previous days were also three or four days. Monday is... Especially the last time I noticed how depressed I was.

But then I just remember it. You have pushed yourself a little bit. This is going over. Alcohol is one thing, but when you drink... One thing is that you may sleep a little at the starting point, but the sleep you get is almost zero every day. So you go two or three days without sleeping. That's what also makes you drunk. I did that so much in the summer, in the summer I was half-asleep,

I was out four times a week, I was at work seven days a week, and I was just completely drunk. And that's a reflection too, thinking a lot about... It's fun in periods. Keep that in mind when I piss. Yes, yes. Yes, that's the thing. You're sitting here with enough. Yes.

I think it's very interesting what you're saying, because I've always been a very emotional dude. I've always been very sad or angry. And I have seen other people and thought that there was something wrong with me. But it's just that people are a bit flatter than others. And that's what's nice about nice world now. Yes, but also we have people who are very bad at looking at others around them. They compare things with themselves. And that is of course... I think you are screwed up very differently.

I don't know, I was also a angry man. I don't know, maybe I just work. And I haven't been in a phase of how to improve on that. So I remember I took the roof off those things. Or did I? Do I? It just went a little over. I don't know. I've improved a lot on my aggression and my anger.

But I have times where I'm just like, damn, when I'm back in hell. I get to run on stage. Some people who have seen me on stage will think, are you a little aggressive? But I'm actually not. I don't know. My girlfriend says that I'm a little irritated from time to time. But it's just like... It's fucking everyone, isn't it? I find myself in a little bullshit.

I find myself in a little bullshit. Maybe a little too... I find myself in a little too little bullshit. You know what? I have always perceived you as a pretty round and nice, not click guy. But on stage you click, but that's... There is a difference... I can have aggression in the jokes on stage, but there is a big difference between that and when I really click. There is a clip on my Instagram where I really click on stage, and that is not funny at all. You click because something happens in the audience. It was the fourth time I asked my mom to be quiet. So you click? I asked my mom to be quiet. And then you clicked. It was completely unexpected in that situation.

I was very afraid and scared. That's how I can click too. I've had companies and event companies that get a lot of money to do that. You clicked there. I can be completely unfriendly. I can be completely unfit. I clicked on the trial show, on how I should try to do it. And then it was like, you get this for free. But you are at the firm.

If I get a lot of money, when it comes to injustice and such, then I think I rationalize in my mind, I think about my mind, I just don't want to give me the money. There it comes, Jim. Jim, man! He's been given a head over the water after these reviews. The beginning of the year is difficult for Jim, you know. There are a lot of reviews and stuff, and a lot of work, and things that need to be done after the vacation.

He's given himself to trying to take over? He has given up completely. He will come in here right away. As soon as it comes to a close, he will come in here and try to get back to the studio. I tried to take over a little before the recording. By grabbing and talking a lot with you before we sat on the microphone. That's what you did. It wasn't really to be nice and catch up.

It was just strategic. I was going to infiltrate the podcast. But were you impressed that I could recognize your voice from the kitchen? Yes, quite. But I have a distinct, unpleasant voice to listen to. So it's not that impressive. But it was nice. Very nice that I heard... Is it the bass dance? are in the bass part. It was very cozy. Is it the bass part?

It's cozy. But how long ago were the Brugata days when you were there? It was a long time ago. We are not interested in the flasks, it's the small part. No, no, no. I understand. You are in the part. Look, it's good that you have to know the flasks.

Look, it's good that you have to know the place, Jim. I notice that I'm not as funny as you are, so I come in with a different approach, of course. It's nice that you have something to talk about, Mardu. What we were in is what I wanted to continue on. It's about this when you get older and... We're talking about the feeling that you can't afford it anymore. But it's all about the balance. Now we live, now there is so much focus on how to live healthy. It's about sleeping enough, that's the most important thing.

It's not always easy to sleep enough and have fun. Or have fun a little extra on the evening. So it's a little damn tiring for me, which is a bit concerned with longevity and how to live longer. I think even though I understand how full of mistakes I am when it comes to that, I am happy and there are so many things that are against me in that regard. But I think it's a bit sad a song, and he's also striving for something... I saw Brian Johnson, the millionaire...

Have you seen that documentary? Yes, yesterday. And he's extreme. He goes into all the wildest things. He wakes up in the morning and takes some temperature, some ear temperature measurements, and then he puts butter in his face with 70 creams, and then he sits in his... He takes 25 pills in the morning and 50 out of the day, and he's totally... He sits in front of the lights and then he's gonna have...

Pressure chamber and stuff. And then he has some plug-in AirPods, there's no humor podcast there, it's just like that. It's actually just sounds that are supposed to be good for the ears, like pre-built shit, and he's completely wild. And towards the end, one thing is lifestyle, take Rappamai and some supplements that are good. But he took first, he took... Blood transfusion.

Blood transfusion. He took blood transfusion to his father and his son. What was his name? He had a sick name. Yes, it was a strange name. You asked him to be bullied. Yes, it was strange. And his son gave him blood again, and they sat there. And it was something nice about it, but also something strange about it.

And the last thing he did was just to be a gene mod. He went to Panama or Mexico or something. I don't know if to go to do that. Because it was illegal in Norway. Genotherapy. You spray something. I think it's like that... Did he take Linesman? That's what I'm wondering.

There were 70 different pillboxes. I can't imagine there were any Linesman in the picture. But he has also stopped being in the sun, because it lowers his life age. He rather sits to get his light in the other way. What you can't get away from is that it works like hell here and now. He goes down in biological age, but the question is how he wants to be exposed over time. How he wants to look and feel when he is 10-20 years old. You don't know that because the side effects don't always come in the first place.

It would have been really fun if you tried one of these treatments and then just killed it. And then you would be like, yes, you see that? That's where he went. Or that he got a kind of a lump, he got a lump. Or something that he saw back that he died. He was completely blind. He was on the move with this. Because he was in the water of the sea, he had PayPal and stuff. And when PayPal was bought, these electronic payment systems were not developed.

And it was he who made it him who made that? No. The same guy? No. He made something else that is similar. He took over a bit. He became a millionaire on that thing. But he was very depressed and a bit small-minded. He had a lot of family and didn't get much sleep.

He wanted to take life. And then he took some violent action. So now he's driving something. He has some sense of humor. That he has a little cult and collects hundreds of groups and goes on mountain trips, and where they are celebrating, and just, we are going to live forever and so on. He's almost culted, right? Yes, he calls himself a bit. But I think that all that stuff is madness, because I don't think...

Such a life is not worth living for my part. I think everything is balanced. Drink a little when you want to, but not drink all the time. Do a lot, but with balance. I agree, but I think it's interesting that he does it. It's very interesting, but I don't understand why people click so much. People are so angry about him. On him? Yes. I don't understand why you get so damn angry.

I can understand it a bit, because it's like... There's some egoism in it. There's some arrogance in it. Because you have money to do it. And you could use the money on something a bit more old-fashioned. And then it's just you, you, you. I will become the oldest possible. And Jeff Bezos has done a lot of these things.

He's like, are you going to live forever? This is what we've become. This is what we've become. This is what we've seen in the horror. This is what we've seen in Black Mirror. All kinds of things. Those people, you're not going to live forever! But what if he finds some cure or a treatment?

Because he posts everything, he shows everything of what he does. And what if he finds something and he shares it with the world? Yes, but luckily there is some criticism in the documentary as well. I think it's made by that gang, but still they show the criticism they get as well. Among other things, the whole homepage is full of links to different products they make money on. He's a businessman. Okay, so he makes money on the product as well? Yes, but it's like... You have to be open about it, right?

Yes, but... Sorry. No, so that's one thing. But also, get criticism from scientific circles that this is actually not science. When you take 70 supplements a day and do not isolate any of them, you don't know what is the effect. No, that's true.

And not what is the side effects. If he really wanted to do something for the community, he would isolate some of the things he did, to find some scientific evidence to claim that it works. But I also have to say, for example, he sells products, but he sells like, Brian Johnson's Virgin Olive Oil. I have to say, these people who buy it, if you buy it and think like, you know what, this is the solution, then you're stupid in your head.

I think there are many fans who just blindly buy it because they like it. Yes, but again, you're......a bit funny. This is problematic, because there has been a lot of criticism against Rogan and the whole gang, who are supposed to be so independent. I remember Rogan before, was so independent from these products he took and talked about. But then it turns out that he has so many interests in the Alpha Brain stuff.

And things that are... Of course, when you hear about it, you get... And this works for Rogan, my great hero. It's very reasonable to buy that stuff there too. I have to say, for example, that... That Green, he is with you in the Onnit, who produces Alpha Brain and all these things, so he has an interest in all of them, but I also remember at the beginning, they said that the ingredients for the supplement are open on the website,

so if you want to mix it together and not buy from us, do it, but try it. So it is both ways. Yes, it's not the worst thing that has happened in our way. But I've read it, it was a meme or something, I heard it, I'm sure many have talked about it, but it has it's been said that when Trump is president, and Rogan and Trump are best friends, is now actually Rogan... ... the US kind of... is that a state scandal now? It's getting closer, and it's not that good with... I like Rogan in many ways, but...

Give me a fan, too. Give me a year-long fan. I haven't forgotten one episode since 2010. I have. I'm not a fan of Chopped. I like him because I don't think he's a very good comedian, but I think he has helped many comedians. I like... These Joe Rogan comedians... Tony Hinscliffe, Tom Segura, Ari Saphir... Many are not as good as...

It's 50-50, but he has helped up comedians anyway. He has helped many to have a living. I agree with you, that many of these guys are not funny. And Rogan himself, when I watch his specials on Netflix, I can't watch it. It's too bad. But I think he as a UFC commentator, maybe the best in the world, I think he as a podcast hero. For me, all in all, when we know that no one becomes perfect, it's the closest thing I've heard that I've felt that this is, over so many episodes, the one I'm least skeptical about.

No, I have to say that he's not completely objective. He's become less and less objective. Yes, I think so too. And you have to, but I just... Again, when I'm listening to him, for example, I don't sit and take that information and go, Oh, Drogon said that. And I think we have to take that responsibility a little bit more. And I agree, and Hansi and Wolfgang V. will say that as well, who gets a lot of criticism of the same thing. I think, and I've heard several people talk about it, that we have to believe in humanity.

That we have a certain degree of criticality in us. And that we can hear controversial voices without being brainwashed in the first place. And I agree with that. I'm not that skeptical. I know of many who are 100% skeptical of Rogan. I'm not. I think he has had good and important conversations with people who didn't necessarily get a voice in other places. And it's an important counterweight to what has been done by the press. I completely agree that from when he started and the main sponsor was Fleshlight, Back in the days, over time he was quite... Have you seen that episode with Crowder?

You have the boat full of Fleshlight. But have you heard the episode with Crowder? Steven Crowder? Maybe. Which is the only episode for Rogan where there a full-scale fight in the studio. The weed opponent. Where he finally gets a flu and Rogan calls him back a year later. And he doesn't go out and apologize publicly, just saying that he fucked up. So he's not that person anymore. It's almost 15 years ago.

So I think he's also developing. I think he's less interested in fighting. I think he's less inclined to get up and fight in the studio with people. He also has a feeling that he's too into it when people visit him. And I always try to think, he's just a human being. And I think it's damn hard to make three times, three hours a week, four episodes a week, and not make a lot of mistakes.

So just the most podcast worlds I've heard of, I've heard a lot of American podcasts, I think the most other ones I've heard of, do much more strange things. And then, can't Rogan be perfect either. I think he does a good job strange things. And Rogan isn't perfect either. I think he does a good job in inviting current people. And he has some critical questions at times. But it's often quite soft.

And that's what you get. I think... I know... Dag Søras, for example. He hates you. 100%. A lot of hatred towards both Wolfgang W and Rogan. And that also has a lot more political...

They have very different views. And not only politics, but also some values in life. Social opinions and all. And I think that's a thin foundation for hating on them. It is clear that Volkang V is sitting there with his best friend Ole Aspernes and the whole gang, who are challenging the powerful left side, and who are very right-oriented in politics and values. And that is the same with Rogan. they mean what they mean. They are a small side against the political side. But they have to get that off their chest. Yes, that's what I mean.

There's a lot I disagree with Rogan. And something I agree with him in. But what I mean is that he seems like a man who has helped. When Joey Diaz when he was in a shower problem. He was like, you have to be there, and then he didn't meet up, and then he realized he had a shower problem. And then he just took an extra heater in case Joey... And he paid for both of them. He paid for the psychologist to R24 when R24 was suicidal.

And Hitler was fond of dogs. No, but my point is that if you look at... The most stupid thing is the Hitler-collections. If you look at what the man has done, I don't really listen to much of those politicians. I don't like politics, but I hear about Protector Parks, and I don't think it's something like that. I don't like to hate him, just because he has a different view on the world than me. I can hear it, and I can take the distance, or I disagree with something, I think something is interesting. And I think both that you can sit and...

I have, like many others, interested in the Graham Hancock stuff, and alien stuff. And that's why... You want it to be true. You want to dream of an Area 51 with a lot of spaceship that they have collected there. It's fun, it's like a home. You want to go in there, because you are adventurous, you want to believe that there are ancient civilizations and Atlantis that went under.

We have always wanted these things to be true. Can we invite such guests there too? We can, but wait a minute. We have to be careful because Rogan started a place he also. I can't talk with two tongues and say a word of it. It comes out of your mouth. I think that there has been a lot of criticism of Graham Hancock, but he's still standing. And then Rogan takes in other geologists, astrologers, archaeologists.

There was one who came in with a hat and sat there. Yes, but there... Like in the show. A good guy. A good guy. And there are others who oppose, who can when you can discuss and debate it. Yes, but I think Roggenberg should have some criticism for that, because they did that, right? I didn't see the whole thing.

Yes, I've heard a lot of it, but in the later days, he and Graham Hancock did it alone. And then they sit and debunk what Flintiboo says and talks about and criticizes it. So they do the debate first and then they do the buddy-buddy thing where he gets his word a bit more. And that's not important. Then the winning goes completely out of control. I actually experienced that person who was so critical, but I noticed some of it. He is obviously a bias towards Hancock. I am friends with him too, so it's obvious. I have the same feeling when Wolfgang W. takes in Marit Kolby and one of the people from Kostol, the council for Kostol or whatever it's called, to discuss and debate the new Kostol direction, the state Kostol direction. The console stuff. And I feel all the way that the show is leading a big hit

against the whole Markkålby side, which I understand is not a fan of itself. A lot of it. But I think in a way... You have to be careful to think that everything is a conspiracy. And that is a very dangerous development in the world. This is not just Norway, this is EU stuff. Which is based on research. There is a lot of criticism, there is a lot to take note of. But it is very quickly made to go into a thought process,

that now everything you have learned is wrong. And then we are on the verge of collapse. Yes, I think so. You have to take what you see, and use logic. And just a little bit of what you have learned. And if you wonder if something is wrong, you should read more about it, and then you get an opinion. But I also get a bit like that, people click on things all the time. I agree with you. When he just... What's his name? Pimp Lowsen?

People click on him, because of the things he says and says things like that. And then he says that it's problematic, this is a rap, this is an ironic rapper, and he has tested out other things. If you as an adult person, sit and say, you know what, I'm going to follow him without doing anything, then it's you who... You can't take responsibility to... You can't give yourself responsibility if you choose to follow his advice or what he says. No, but it's not so black and white either. I hear what he has to say sometimes and I find it exciting, exciting thoughts. But when you say that you don't listen to me, don't take advice from me,

I don't give advice, I just show you how I live. And when you ask questions about absolutely everything we've learned, then it's pretty fucked up in science. Because it's not like there's a bunch of people, deep state at the top, and they've just found all this to lead us. If you have a big following group, it will be more than a resistance against the established, and then we'll have a very polarized society.

And those things are scary, and I'm not saying that the voices shouldn't be found, but I think there's something to be careful about. I just think people click too much and give power to people who... You give power to people like Rogan. If you listen to him on things that are important. He is the UFC commentator, he is a comedian, even though I'm not, so it's funny. If you give him that responsibility, you should have a responsibility to set up an opinion yourself, and you should have a responsibility to be critical. I test out and read other things myself. I have been far ahead of time, I have a speech in 10-12 minutes. I'll just say one thing. I think you have the responsibility for everything. Also, the news that is on TV. How often is it that you don't watch the news?

Also, if you watch CNN, BBC, Fox and what it whatever else, you'll notice that you get three different views of the world. You report the same news with a different angle. And now that you have the news anchor, but you have many in the channels that also express their own opinions. And have a clear bias in the way they communicate the news. So I feel earlier, they said that about influencers, Instagram people and podcasts and all that. But I feel that you also have it in general in life. Not everyone reports things exactly with the same angle on things. No, and there are different ways to look at things.

When I said that the earth was flat and the moon landing was fake, I've done a lot of research on that, so I don't need to do any research on that. No, but you can talk a lot about that thing. It starts out that we have different views on things. There is a reason that we have a big spectrum within politics and politics. People have different opinions. And you don't want those you disagree with to blow up. Like a big group that... You get pissed off. Because there are more and more who agree with you. So, no. I hope that the world's development won't be so violent, polarization. And don't care so much about what's happening in the world either.

That has been a very good thing for my mental health. And don't live so much down there, and don't care about me. I fear the Borgkrieg. I fear that we'll get very polarized. But what do you do to try to change that? I try to, even if I might mean something, I try to ask questions that we have to believe are a bit harsh. I try to be a bit conservative in the Borgkrig, even though I have a lot of opinions and lines to follow. But I think it's important not to let yourself be too much of a rascal. Try to hold on a little.

And now we... I mean, KREF, a conservative voice in society, is perhaps more important than I thought before, because it keeps us in our toes. I think it's important to pull back a little. Have a family of nerds who hate modernism, and has a fear of it, then you think that maybe there is something in this thing. That modernism just gives a free hand in the development. Then you lose some of the old, what holds us together in a way.

There is something there. It's dangerous with two fronts. We know that. I've heard that vegetables are toxic to the body. So I agree with that. That's sick. Where do you agree? I dare you. The cucumber sinned a bit.

There are so many different... If you listen to that, and you start to... No, don't listen to that! Now I got a message that I could get a little dizzy. But I hear that Pir Blåsson says that cucumber is dangerous for you. But he sometimes cleans my ears with cucumber. Because he thinks that there are some substances in the cabbage and vegetables and such, because they don't want to be eaten, he says. Vegetables will never be eaten. That's not true. A lot of fruits and vegetables have their reproduction by being eaten by other animals and being eaten elsewhere.

I ate orange juice. So it's a direct mistake to assume that all vegetables, no vegetables and fruits will be eaten by other animals and be slaughtered in other places. I ate orange peel. So it's a direct mistake to assume that all vegetables, no vegetables and fruit will be eaten. Isn't that right? I agree. But why listen to people who say something so idiotic? But at the same time, we are Norboer. We come from, many of us here in Norway,

come from people who lived off of eating only meat and lived in very cold areas, or in cold weather. There were damn little vegetables and fruits. So eating only meat is certainly not... You don't need to be hurt. I have to be the best. I mean, I don't give a fuck. But we are, as Jonas Bergland says, we are just rats, right? So we survive on the most. We adjust, just so we get something in the nest. Actually. I came from a country that is much warmer.

Yes, you do. There we eat a lot of meat. Chilling, fish. And how long much warmer there? Yes, you do that. And there you eat a lot of meat. Chicken, fish, and how long do you live? Middle East, there are a lot of beans and salad. I'm a rat that eats a lot of mouse. And more girls like that, you'll see on the new stage on February 7th and 8th. Yes, Hemmet Vekste, February 7th and 88, you have probably got that with you now. He started with what I have been through... Tsunami, you know? Here you were?

Yes, but we have talked about that. Oh, damn! You will get that on the kitchen. Okay, thank you for listening and we will hear from you next time. Thank you, it was nice to have you here. You too, I'm looking forward to it. Bye! Bye! and the media.