Fladseth - #227 - Harald Eia

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

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We can't let you go to the game, Harald. We were throwing gold in the trash can, but we didn't have the microphone. The microphone was in front of our mouths. There was so much nice talk here about pretentious actors who go for a real... A real gap between their missions. It started with me saying that I had a vague feeling that I was blaming the host. That's why I came here today, that I often have it with people. And because I said something about them in podcasts or somewhere else, I feel like I'm blaming them

now. And then you said that you actually had it with Tore Sagen and me. Yes, because I have a... Let me take that one again. I have a stand-up beat in my show, Laokultur, which is being rehearsed in Bergen, Trondheim and Kristiansand in March. Oh, are there pictures of students? Yes, and there are some empty tickets in Bergen. Interesting, we didn't talk about that just now. I just say that there are so many ugly men who hide behind a beard? That's the joke. And then I go around and say that I'm just a beard because I can't believe my own beard. And people win prizes for the beard is part of that joke.

And then I become Norway's most handsome man, Koring and so on. People win prizes for the beard with a beard prize for the most handsome man is the dupe. That's the joke. I'm almost sure that's the joke. It's early in the morning. You're happy with your podcast early in the morning. You're the one who insisted that you should be early in the morning. And you're the humor of the music.

What's the joke? They say that people win prizes, the mostheads prizes, because of Schegg. You know, this is a long, long segment about Schegg, so I just try to get the short end, and that's why the essence disappears. Because you don't need... Yes, it was a Norwegian, so... I'll count it in China. I'm hoping a bit more. Now I'm going to do it for you. Take your time. I'm just bitter because I can't stand my own skin.

You can't stand it? That's what you think. As if you lack some kind of effort. I hate to talk about it. For a stand up song, it's so played out. I understand. But all this is to get to what we are actually talking about. In a bitter...

In a bitterness, I say that people win prizes for beauty. With beauty! That's doping. That's anti-doping on the water. I understand Skjegg is a joke. Skjegg is a joke. I've varied what I say there. I've also added the word fuck you, Tore Sagen. And the fucking ass I'm talking about.

I'm kidding. He has a small chin and so on. He has a small chin and I know he has talked about it. And he has also shaved his beard. But it could have been more beard. But it becomes like a skull that shaves people with hair. Because you get much more beard than without. Do you do that?

Always? Except that you become a very old man and have a lot of hair. Like... Mats Gilbert, the doctor who is in Gaza, he is old and has a lot of hair. It's a nice and nice hair. Then you look like a witch. It's not easy, but without it

it's usually always checked with hair. It's not something to be proud of. But I who don't have hair, I don't call it hair permed. But hair covers something quite significant. It's not like the hair itself covers anything. I hear you here, you're a white man talking about racism. You know nothing about hair loss and what it means.

Not in the head, but in the face. Yes, like that. The thing is that I threw you in under the same bus. Because you have a podcast, I listen to it a lot. And then it just came. Then I hit you, and it was in the drama now, I've never done it before. And Haralea, you know. And then I saw that you had a beard, you know.

Do you know how ugly Haralea is? So that's why you had a bad sense of humor for me as well. I thought about the big things. It's good that you have that feeling, because when you are on stage, you have a single focus, and that's why people laugh, ethics, everything else, moral and human values. I am completely taken out of line. So when you go on stage, you are like, what have I done? What have I done?

I have said the most horrible things. But you have said that... I am happy to do it too. I have started to talk about Saint Lucia and that the ladies are arguing if I should buy a shirt or a light for the boy. And then I play that argument there. And then I have started to like that we fight a lot, that I scream, ''Hore, you fucking whore!''

And then I laugh. People think that's fun. Yes, of course, it's very fun when you laugh. But in the heat of the fight, I've said the most horrible things. I've often been wondering since I've done the humour analysis, and no one else is, but I often think about why someone, especially you, is very funny when you are so angry. I think it's about when you are angry, you feel like you are running out of a kind of despair. It's a kind of desperation. You don't have any danger or fear.

You are just one who doesn't fix things, or get things, or understand things. And then you come with a kind of rage, and then it becomes very fun and cute, like a child almost. Desperation, if that's underneath is desperation to get a laugh. Yes, that's a bit of a trick. Yes, because you have it as a trick too. You have told me once that sometimes if you don't get it, you just scream a little. It's evenings, but it's evenings when I'm a little desperate to get more laughter than I get. You also know that classic, that you laugh up a joke a little, that you joke a little, that you puke a little.

You think of it as puke. It's puke. No, it's a drug. It's funny when you puke. That's what you called in Norwegian, when you were going to learn about linguistic drugs, you thought of linguistic puke. But when it's the perfect night for the public, you don't need a single day, you just float, right? It's the evenings that are a bit more That intermediate level, there can be a little excessive use of your mind. Because those who have not done comedy that I listen to, what can it be compared to? I think it's similar to the times in life where I have been trying to check out women and I try to screw up my tricks.

Then it doesn't work so well. You know, I could be a little shy, maybe a little cute, But the times when women have had a nice start in the relationship, I have just lowered my shoulders, been like skinless, straight on. And that's the situation you describe when you meet the audience, when you just keep on telling what you should. Once I managed that with a lady, and she has been with me since. And it's hardly ever to try it again. It's fucking sad.

I recognize myself. I only experienced one time the one bit of what you said, not the other. But you have failed. Yes, and I have failed. But never with one time managed to be completely... You know what? I was... It was so... It was going so damn well with my career. I was on tour with... Do you remember? No, I don't remember. I was on tour with Atle, Bård and Stoltmerga. Very good line-up. People had looked so damn excited. And it went really well, we were on tour, it was really fun, and it rolled for the first time in life. And then we had a date, we had gone to Romerike Folkerhøgskole together,

and hadn't seen each other for a long time. So we decided to go on a date, and I got there, a bit like, I was a bit too shy with the classic thing, but that didn't matter, I just got a bottle of wine to the table. I was so young that I had to buy a bottle of wine. It was like, there's nothing to throw around, there's a lot of money, it's fast 500 kroner. Yes, but that's the impression. It's so right of money, it's fast 500 kroner. Yes, but you do such things.

It's so right, I sometimes think, I just work with a lot of young people, young guys, who are on the dating market. It's nice. Yes, it's so nice, it's so inspiring. But it's interesting to talk to them, I think, because they have a lot of things that they rarely dare to say in their ideas, straight out in the big ideas meetings, because they are afraid to be morally condemned by women. Because they see women as moral authorities, who know the difference between right and wrong. I wasn't one of the 25, so it was completely fucked up if the ladies got angry,

but that's an interesting difference. But then a couple of them were on dates and stuff, and then they were like, I don't want to be a guy who is doing the bandage and holding the chair, so I'm taking away a very important piece of advice, because no matter where these women are politically, whether they are feminists or not, they appreciate that you are exciting and cool, and show care and resources. And if you think it's completely ridiculous, then you're throwing away a woman. Throwing away. It which is very complicated.

It's very complicated. Then it's a sell-out around the next corner. It's a pity that it has been talked down, or good for us as we know it works. I struggle with, I always struggle with, and you seem to have had some kind of subtle approach to putting on that kind of excuse. But when it becomes too open, I have never underestimated women. Or overestimated. Because I have always thought that this must be destroyed. Even the smallest of small ideas,, like this month is ruined,

I look at things that have been done around me and think, they don't ruin anything, or they look like they don't see these things. It's very mystical. I totally agree, you see a guy who is a little fat-naked, a guy who says things, talks with his mouth. Let's say he says, for example, that he is so worried about what is happening in the US, and he doesn't come from a real place, but he knows that these ladies think it's nice with a guy like that. Then I think that these ladies, both through school, but also fall for it. Like you meet a friendly hotel receptionist, you know that she is very nice to you, because it's her job. But they also seem to like you. I think the ladies can...

You underestimate her a bit, but you also overestimate that the through-the-air-thing destroys it all. That it's cute that I say that you don't like dogs, but you pretend like, oh, come here, you little rat, and then you're rolling with the dog. It's like if you're talking to people and someone pretends to be a footballer to get an impression. You don't hate them. You get warm with the heart, and when the dog tells his friends, I understand he he doesn't like dogs, but he let her down and tried to play with her. Then Gjerte would melt at once. I grew up, we had kennels. I was surrounded by dogs. He liked... He smacked me once.

Here is one that was licking me. It was a very funny scene. It was a very funny scene. He was so fat that he grew up in a kennel. No, the lady. The lady grew up in a kennel. No, a lady. A lady who grew up in a kennel. A lady who grew up in a kennel. You know, the boy, I grew up with so many dogs. I saw him once. He was actually a little scared.

He had been bitten by a dog. It was so cute how he rolled around with the dog. Yes, fantastic. It was so close to my rolled around you with his dog. Yes, fantastic. It's not that close to my heart in life, I think. We're through with it, but it's not enough. You are a... What can I say? I've heard you guest so much, and I've never had a guest as a guest in any of my things. It's become a verb now.

Yes, guest and guest. It's been a long time. I thought about it. I'm so sorry. It's been a long time. I thought about it... From above to below, you said. You know what I love? Sometimes I get blamed for being arrogant and down-to-earth. And I am, in fact. But when others are with me, it's so much fun. What? Now? Yes, it's been a long time. I see.

It's not... As a humor analyst, you made a facet in both the tone and the expression. Oh, you say that? Yes, because it was more than... I guess I jotted down, I've been like that for a long time. Oh, was that it? Yes, it was. Oh, was that it? Yes, I've been like that for a long time.

But you put it back to the guest. No, I was going to say, and I believe me, you are, I think, first of all, you must be one of Norway's best podcast guests. Because it's just like, we didn't have the pressure, we had to throw ourselves over a stretcher and I just flew to it, because I'm a sharp man. And there are not so many of you anymore, of the old thinkers, who sat on the knees, and were slaves to science. You struggle a little in social life, I know that, because you are always in the sharpness of science. I'm bored a little fast. I was going to say something that didn't... You said fat sneak, and I want to shoot in the New Year in 92. Say 92. Yes, that was it.

The New Year in 92, say it. Yes. Stand up straight. Stand up straight, fat sneak. It's very descriptive. And it's used in everyday language. You do that, but I've heard someone say sneaky fucker. I've never heard of sneaky fucker.

I think it's a bit encouraging, because I think that's a good word, because there's little letters and you can find the rhythm. You understand it with one go. It's just an Americanization. Yes, right? So we already have the good words. And it's often that the American words are much better. But here it's...

...overly. To make it more clear, it's actually the expression from the biology. Because there are these fish, coral fish, where the hands have these big hairs of of the female, and the female is smaller. And then the males fight for the harem. So the males... The males are big, have a harem.

With 5-6 male males that are smaller. It's not one alpha, there are several males. Yes, they compete. One of them... No, you know what, I'll rewind a bit. You're right. There's one hand that has a harem, and the other one guards against other hand fishers. But there are some hand fishers that have developed into small dogs that look like them. And they sneak up on them. There's something about that. Sneak up on them? Yes, and it comes from biology. In the male world, there is a guy who doesn't give a shit what other men think.

It's like with Pick Me Girl, it's the responsibility of the girls. It's one who tries to convince herself to do what women like, and other men get angry. You're playing the guitar, you're being occupied with poetry. They don't always give a do what other men think, I think. No, maybe not. They try as long as it makes them pretend like they are bros before hoes, as they say. Exactly. But when you suddenly realize that it has never been bros before hoes.

Really? Always been hoes before bros. Right. And then you get the F-stamp. I had a couple in my life where I just thought, no, it was been hoes before bros. Right. And then we get the F-stamp. I had a couple in my life where I just thought, no, it was always hoes. It was always the fucking hoes in front of me. It's fantastic. But these things here, I think it's very...

What I find exciting about what we're talking about now is, among other things, to what extent are these F-sneakers, because I can't say F-forms. F**k. To what extent are they strategic, or are they more intuitive, as you mean? Are they planned and thought-out, or are they more like stomach-related, and get them there? Now we are going to find out. A good list of things here. We start with the Sneaky Fuckers. You ask if this is evolution, long changes over a long time, evolutionarily, or if it has happened over a couple of generations, that it has been from mother to child, a couple of generations.

Are you talking about human fish now? Fish? That they have learned from mother to child, a couple of generations between... Are you talking about the human fish now? The fish? Yes. That they have learned... I mean, mother to daughter. Yes, like that. I don't know. No, it's men who... Let's say it's women.

That the father has learned his son, okay. If you have to find a little bit down the side there, like the ladies have. I actually know... I think... I have the impression that in a way these hand fish have a gene that can be off or on. If it's off, they become big hands. If it's on, they become small hands. There are two ways to go. Because it's not biological, specifically. It's not some kind of aadfights thing.

You know what? It can go down to... It's not drags. You know what, some things are going so well... It's the thing with epigenetics, how the environment can affect how the point that... It's not like drags. You know, some things are quite... It's that thing with epigenetics, you know, how the environment can affect how genes work. It goes to the point that if you are an isolated fish that doesn't have access to any dogs, you don't express yourself to become big. You get to stay at that low stage, but now we are out of what we know about. Yes, but at least I...

But it's important, isn't it? But I like... I think these things are very interesting. But what about the little people, back to the people... You should help me with a standard bit. Okay, fine. First, just remind me of it. Because it goes around these things. What did you say about people?

I was a bit curious about people when you see a man who is very sweet and does things a bit... And then you think, is it like this guy has made a plan, I know it works, or does it a little on the stomach feeling? Do you understand what I mean? Sometimes I think we accuse people of being more conscious than they really are, when they really are on a hunch. They work more on a hunch. I think we are a little bit into the sociopathic scale. Yes, exactly. And I don't think people are so sociopathic as they were sometimes.

He knows so damn well what he is doing. She is like a pick-me-goal. She tries all the time. It's too hard. It's too judgemental. It's not so strategical. It's not about the boyfriend. Yes, but you notice that people meet all the time. I'm not going to compare it to sociopathy, but if you suddenly have to improvise something in life, something you have to take on the kick, then just choke a little totally, because I feel that everything is analyzed and planned every time. And it's probably just the human type.

But it goes different, you who work with personality testing and such. It's different to be very... what should I say... planned, but spontaneous and... Yes, intuitive and so on. Absolutely. You just turn on that planning in some situations. For some people who are very planned, who plan a lot, it can come a bit in the way to be spontaneous and real sometimes. So sometimes you have to work that way, you have to try to put your thoughts behind you, put it aside. But how intuition works, because I am a sociologist and I remember there was a study that showed that people come into a room, and they try to find out who is the leader here. And then they are much nicer to the visitors, but if they realize that someone is down there on the steps, then they don't spend much time on it. It's kind of like intuitive work. We understand at once, she is there, he is there, hello, and then it goes here, and then hi hi to you, like, finished. I hear it from time to time, because I'm not so good at picking things up.

Are you as nice to everyone? Let's say you are in a production. Yes, I'm very afraid that it will with a high status should think that I... I don't really have that kind of a thought about it. You understand? I can analyze it and write it down, but I'm happy with everything. Yes, right. So it's a bit of that, it of a split between the analytical and emotional. We were with the King's order, you have a nice camera, she has a coffee. It was the spider thing. And then you were very jovial towards everyone.

And then I thought that Henrik is smart, he understands that maybe the old fool sitting over there, he was the boss. He can never know. So we should treat everyone with respect. Yes, that I am so analytical. Yes, or so intuitive, I don't know. I have enough of being so analytical. I am very... I am fond of strategic games and such. Now I play... I have found a new... a new game called Civilization. Yes, absolutely. Now scene from Civilization 7. And now I've finished with some stuff, like filming and stuff. So now I'm enjoying it.

What do you do with the kids? He's in bed at 5.30 in the morning. He's in bed at regular times. So it's a couple relationship or a play that needs to be projected? He lies down at 5.30 a.m. on the day. No, he lies down on the day. So it's either a couple relationship or playing as he should be projected? My wife is happy to lie down early. So there will be some kind of hatches. Yesterday I did a job on the ladder, 12 minutes on stage, right into the car, straight home, and I had to sleep for an hour. Because I was going to wake up early with my son.

Then I would have gone straight to bed, but I had put an hour in... You had put a period there. Yes, I get totally hooked on that. I understand. But it's like, I love sitting and thinking about what happens if I do this track now, how will it affect the game in track 400, because it's turn-based, right? So it's one round per round. How will this track affect the game of 400 rounds? Have you become good at thinking about international relations as well? What is happening in the world now? For example, I read an article that said that the reason Trump has become so good friends with Putin...

China. Just to hit a line between Russia and China. You are already there. Yes, I was there. I had never thought about it before. No, not at all. When I was little and younger, I went up. It bothered me that I did not understand the complexity. I realized that it is not as easy as this.

It is not as easy as my childhood now concludes me. You realized that you are a child. I am a little stupid. I realized that I am not close. And I remember, if not the moment, I remember the time. I understood that I actually know nothing. And from here on out I will become dumber and dumber and dumber. Because I just understand more. If I understand every little thing, I understand less.

Because I was like you too. I thought when people around me said, I will never get married. Or something like that. Then I thought, I am a child, what do we know about that? But those who were just as sure as children were those who became leaders in life. I thought that I can't become a leader in life, I don't have a clue about the school's growth, I don't know where the fountain will be, my opinion is hopeless. But those who had the belief that they actually had important friends when they were 12 years old, that was scary. But you realized that you were living out of nothing. Fantastic.

But now you start to understand more because of Civilization. No, I think my problem is that I'm a little... I'm not... I'm too fond of enjoying myself. You can sit and delvese yourself in Rich Dawkins. You can sit and read through all of that and enjoy yourself and read several times. I can do that, but I can also... I don't read several times. I have tried The Selfish Gene and tried to read three times. And Dostoevsky, those books, tried to start over and over again.

I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet. I have civilization, I have frustrations around each swing. But I go and think about it, I follow a news play, I understand that this is... First of all, you have the China connection, which will be a big threat for the long term. And now it can actually be a much bigger truss for the long term. And now it will be... It can be a pretty smart move, so to speak. Civilization. So at the same time as I read Civilization, I read Weapon, Pest and Steel.

Fantastic, Jared Diamond. Yes. Cool, because it's a symbiosis. I don't know, that was a bit coincidental too. I just have to say that the start, for those who haven't read the book, the mystery he creates up there, I just have to think about it and say, why is it that I sit here now in the US and speak English? Why is it that there is a guy in England and speaks Cherokee?

How did we end up there? And that's just a genius question. Is it? Yes, he wanted to bring that racism perspective to life. That someone is cognitively weaker than the other. Yes, but he should explain why he won the West. Yes, why he won the West. And this is... He is such an incredibly

solid piece of work. But when I sit and read it, I think at the same time about the little thing I remember from the nature class, how important it was to come back to the way of the hypothesis and the question, which questions do you ask yourself, so you don't fall away. He is constantly in this with about why I won the West. But the question that many people think a lot about is, does your girlfriend or other women have a relationship with women who are interested in this question? I have met with them. You have? But it's a small number. Yes, but it's also very disappointing for men. Is that true? And I'm surrounded by men who are like...

Yes, I know. And I am... Fuck! What the fuck are you talking about? Your friendship is not good enough? If you had a period in your life where you had... You had... You have calmed down a little, you have settled're a little calmer now, you're a little more relaxed now than you were in the years with a lot of TV and full time. You had company jobs here and there. I've been a little there the last year. I lost that... I'm not so social anymore.

Often social in connection with work. Just a couple of nights in half a year, I feel, with the old guys. That's too little. When we first meet, we have a DART league, we play a lot of DART and stuff, but it was just sitting and talking about what we do now, getting into all the interesting things and stuff. I was there a lot more before, it's sad. That's why I got so fucking mad at you. Yes, that's what the fucking was. It wasn't a misunderstanding that there were guys around you who didn't want to discuss why you won the western. I think it's too small. I said it here the other day, I got a little out of it.

It was the humor prize. You did a little... I thought you associated with cocaine. No, no, I didn't. I'm a little confused. You have red face. It can go to... Or I know what cocaine is. You don't take it seriously. I'm a wild animal, but I'm trying to limit my thoughts. That's good.

It was a coca-cola to the first time I had it. I see. Because I said it afterwards, I was going to get a prize that I left on the shelf there. On the new stage. And then I said, damn, what a night yesterday. You were in great shape and damn happy, said one of you. I am a bit disappointed, because everything just disappeared in a big hole. I just walked around and mingled a bit with everyone.

So I remember my evening, I was on the move. Yes, I understand. From one conversation to the other, and just exchange energy. A sense of humor at Ipsen and Wellhavns and all that time. That was it. That was when we talked about a political question. And we talked for two hours about it. And it was so interesting. Do people ever want to be able to love each other? And you were still on the phone, saying, I'm going to tell them! It's been a lot more... We've all been very nice, but before I got the impression that it was more like...

that someone shouted through the local, Flanset! They are a charlatan! And then we're on and it's a country... Am I a charlatan? And now they are going to say something in the sentence! Right? Do they call me a charlatan? Interesting! All that time! Last week they wrote in the morning paper! I'm not right and then they get... At last I saw them!

Well-haven! Imagine that you have well-haven! And be a country... I don't know if it's this well-haven that came Imagine that you have Wellhavn and Vergland! I know, it's Wellhavn that came to me. Vergland, maybe I should talk about it? Yes, wellhavn and Vergland were herdsmen. They were herdsmen, but Ibsen was a bit older.

No, he was just a kid. He wasn't born at all. That's what it was. Yes, he was born, maybe. I was 10 years old. I was a little tipsy. It's easy. When I talk to my girlfriend, she has forgotten the history. 1920, together with the 1200s, everything is one.

800 years in a row, everyone is in the same room. It's like the tipsenwell, Havn, Columbus... But it's not that bad. I struggle a little with the timeline. I do that. You should be a pug. You have a different head than me. Do you play chess?

A little, but not good. Really? No. Because I have been interested in chess for many years. And I understand theisation aspect of chess. I can dive into a world where I can understand how it will look in a while. I can understand the concept of the middle part, the end part and the start. Opening. But I struggle with... I don't have the knowledge of the

Christian or the math to become good. So I talked to Oustra later. I felt that I learned his chess and was one of the first sparring partners of his. When we worked on a show, he was very bad, but I felt that he would of course become good at this. So I took some rounds and he was a lot better. He has a lot of energy. So it's a bit the same.

You also have a brain like that, so you see the timeline in a different way. For me it's a bit more blurry. Yes, yes, but most people find it exciting and interesting. I feel that you sometimes complain yourself, that you wish you had more of yourself and so on. But I think that there was one who once said that you have to work with what you are good at in the business life. Don't try to learn things and try to get better at things you are bad at. So you have found a perfect... You are a damn fast-witted person.

You are quick, you are funny, you are smooth, you are very dynamic, you are empathetic, you have a lot of observational skills. So you have to work with that and do other things, and not just yourself. But in your private life, it's the opposite. You have to work with your bad sides. You have to work with that. So that was for me a kind of eye-opener. In my relationship, my cynicism and cowardice, it's super out there at work, but at home I have more empathy and listening to others and those things I work with.

For me it's been like that. I don't use energy, because people are so dissatisfied with how they are. You are good at a couple of things, find out what is good. I actually feel pretty good at it. And it's more like, you always want to have more, right? I remember one thing, I was very weak in English. Like, pathetic weak. So I often got stuck if I suddenly had to speak in English. Instead of laughing a little bit, I would be like, damn, idiot Henrik, I don't understand. What is this? Are you that idiotic? You spoke spoke yourself.

I had bad language. So I sat and I was talking like this. Basic grammar book. And I was like, where was... Where was... And I was like... It was fun. It was fun to see that I was like...

You have to sit down! For Baska it was like I am, and then you are? I'm is? How can the same word be? It's a damn puzzle. It's demanding. One of your best sketches is the English language teacher. The language professor, the English professor. Yes, it's about that at some point in life you wonder why it's not called G.M. Because he discovered it. But the point of the sketch was that I was at the Blinders

and there was an institute for American and British studies. And I thought, is he in Oslo studying English? It's just silly. You have to be in England, not here. And then they were found out in little Norway. And you were the category to say G.M. They found out. And it... yes. You have of course a very analytical

approach to that sketch. I remember how he came up with it. Start off with the language and not I fuck you off, grandmother in the face. No, because if I'm going to talk very humor-anically, it's boring if you haven't seen the sketch, but it's a kind of portrait, like it would be on the roof of the house, about the fact that the wildness is being cut off by the research up there in English studies in Oslo. Before we have solved the most fundamental questions.

And then the journalist is pushing this me, who is an English researcher, what have you actually invented? And then I take a decision, fuck that, when I just start bluffing, and then I start saying these things. And then when I have first released those powers, then you can, if you use passive aggressive form, say I'm a f***ing goreng, but I'm Mr. Arafat. And then those rules come in. Mr. Arafat. That's nice.

The old leader of PLO for those who haven't heard of this reference. Yasser Arafat. That was my first parody. Have you parodied Yasser f***ing Arafat? No, it was only that he was a puss in the hole, which was a new thing. When I was little. He was a little bit like a whine to his voice, wasn't he? I don't remember the voice, but I remember he had

a little red face, behind a little headdress. A very puss in the shell, I remember. Yes, a very puss in the shell. A very red, Disney-like dark red. And so I just... And this is a funny story I have mentioned a few times. I just looked at myself and looked up and said,

I say... Because now I think the Palestinians have left. He was a guerilla warrior, that's what he tried to express. One who was up in the mountains and still had that... He was a bit like the Palestinian-Selene. Yes, a bit like him, but now... He was in the front when he was in uniform. But have you seen Hamas now?

I saw the interview with him at NRK, the interview with the Hamas boss. Glottbarberte, let go of stress. Completely different look now on the Palestinian leaders. Yes, it is. Things have happened here. So I removed the beard. You are probably happy about it. Yes, Yasser Arafat's beard. He is not as handsome as a truss, from that point of view. Never done. But what was it before Yasser Arafat was named here? He was on the English sketch.

I came up with something, because I... In the review time, there has been a much stricter codex for that. Would you like some coffee? Yes, but then you are allowed to have some coffee in the middle. Yes, we'll take a little break. And it was just a millisecond in the listener's life, but it's eternal for us. I often think about it, I'm 59 years old, how much physical damage happens in a minute? For example, have you ever had a cancer cell in your prostate, just as you were walking out in front of a coffee shop?

Things can happen suddenly. It pops up. It has to come at some point. Yes, I think the cancer cell is like a... It gets wrong, like a big bang. I can't see big bang. The blood cells are like a cancer. The universe is a cancer. It wasn't unusual. Direct copying. It was done, but you had a kind of a lock on it. But you were inspired by a lot. You were inspired by a lot of things. And a lot of you. And I remember I had a sketch where I played an emo. And this is so long. An emo-kid? An emo-person. A bit selfish and with a bit of a professional weight.

Like, I am emo and I know everything about being emo. And then Lars Joakim Varwell introduced me to this. And then, in a professor way, even though I was emo, I was very... I understand. I was very honest. Yes, the philosophy around it was very reflective. I was almost a reflective heroine. That makes me sit in a corner and buy on the market.

It's fun when you are a very clear feminist in your body, when you crack, but the voice is not shaped. No, no, not at all. Like that. Explained it. And there you have already separated a little from their sketches. Very inspired. Yes, explained.

I talk about the standards of the concept. Here I have black hair, red stripes on the chin. And all those things you have. Yes, that looks good. And the jacket. There was a lot of writing and maybe a Converse shoe with writing. And then I always came up with this and that. And here it is. And then it was something similar to F**k You in the Face, Mr. Arabat. Okay. A bit like that.

A turd-like thing. A bit like improv, English stuff. Then you could have talked a bit with What's the Word? Yes, it was a bit like that. But it's been a while. So the English part was released when you played that character? Yes, maybe. You see it coming into the zone, when we were talking about it.

Don't think too much, just act. There was a guy who told me, he went to Slalom with a friend of mine, a good slalom, and he said, instead of trying to do it right, can't you try to almost parody how you think that slalom is driving, driving. And then I did that, and then he said, now you drive much better. So sometimes you have to let go of your intellect, let go of your will, let go of your personality and just go in the flow. It doesn't always work, but I notice that often it gets a bit... At least if you have a little bit of patience and drive a little bit fast in your English, in your Emo-kid, I think it was also something that was fixed.

Yes, okay. We practiced a lot on it. I'm better now than I was before. But then I was... Weak? Weak. I never cared about... I've always been very good at Norwegian. Pretty bad at speaking Norwegian. Yes, you speaking Norwegian, and concerned with speaking correct.

But... Can I just sit there? Because the age group you are in is the last age group that is concerned with that. Last chance. The one that is free to express without any restrictions, it's free to flow. And I don't think anything about my style. You do, your style. But I can't say that, because I hate the previous generations, who were English-fixated. It's boring.

But it was in the beginning. And now it's a bit nerdish to point it out. It's very nerdish. I never do that. But I just register that it's pretty smooth now. I see that Erlend Mørk has a very good language. He doesn't use any English. And he's under 30. And that makes him a bit of a joke, because he's an icon.

Yes, of course. He still has that kind of thing, I think. Yes, right. He was so smart. Erlend has a thing that... Last time I was in his podcast, Erlene with Radio Mørk, we talked about it. And we have talked about it several times in my podcast, so he has been my guest.

And he, as a 9 year old, wrote a letter to himself, to Erlens and Voksen. Greetings Erl, only 9 years now. Really? Yes, so he was like that. But he talked about it so much, that there was a listener that he sent in. If you talk about it again, I will take my life. Is that true? He is so proud.

I'm just looking forward to it. You were in the game season 1 on TV2, and Erl is in the game season 2. And I'm sitting on this panel, so I'm looking through everything. I'm just looking forward to seeing Erl. Yes, he is a beautiful man. I'm sorry you got this panel, so I'm looking through everything. I'm just looking forward to seeing Erlendas. He's a beautiful man. I'm so sorry you got ear-bent in there. Yes, I can talk about that. Haha, we can.

I know, but it's so cute and off-character, that you're so interested in the game. I've been sitting here for many hours watching, and then you get engaged. Ehm, yes, no, I just want to say that Eilen is also a person I don't get enough of when it comes to talking to him, because he is also so curious and he likes to talk about everything possible. It's his curiosity. Fantastic, and there are some people, and I feel that you are one of those as well, but not everyone has that ability.

I often think that some people have the ability to zoom in on things. If you look at an insect, you see it as a fly, but if you zoom in and take a look at different pictures, you see, my God, look at the fly's face, and how much hair and the jaw is a monster. And that's how it is with my life. You can just zoom in, it's like that for most of you. Or you can zoom in and then some details and some fantastic new insights are revealed. And I think Eilene is good, and you are good, and there are many people. I take good and good. I can feel it, because I totally agree, because I'm not like in the world, but I think it's... Good enough.

Yes, you know what? I can really nerd on the flu of the wounded, shit-face. Yes, I think it's good enough. I can really nerd on the flu of the black shit. And then you suddenly get tired and you go... I'm going to go on. But that's what makes you funny. You have a rhythm. When you watch the stage, you eventually understand how your head works.

You just go crazy. And then suddenly... I'm scared of something, I forget forgetting it and then you move on. That's what makes it fun. I have a red-hot, un-unfortunately style. And that comes from playing, but also the idea that you don't have to be so advanced, but when humor is surprising the audience, just with sound, aggression, with all the tools and everything in every box,

if you always surprise, then inflation can also be in that. Surprising. I'm not going to take anything from his talent and who he was. But I... And I've always thought that when I say Robin Williams on Letterman, it's too much. It's too much. Because on the inside and outside, there are jokes, there are parodies. There is that magical energy there. I once saw my improv teacher, Tony Totino, he always said that we had a show, an improv show, and the last number was like a bullet. So my impulse was to have an extra number. And then he said, I have to show you.

And then he had a VHS cassette where Robin Williams had an extra number on a stand-up show, which is so catastrophic that he didn't give up. Because he has such a magical energy. So I agree with that surprise thing, where he knocks like this, and then you get mad, because it's no longer a surprise. But you are surprising, or you are, it's not something people are aware of, but when you talk about humor, it's pretty definite, it's pretty like, no, it's not funny, no, it's much better. You seem like, ha ha, a flying idiot, but, but you are pretty clean and like a super engineer. Do you remember when we were on Altibrett?

Sometimes we were going to solve some problems and I came up with a proposal. I'm the type who throws out thousands of proposals and 999 is boring. And then you were like, no, it's not fun. No, forget it. No, it works. You were very clear about it. It was interesting to see that you had the tough side too. Yes, I remember that. We were supposed to have a game or something like that, right? Yes, I remember. And I remember that I took myself into it. It was not like if I was inside our room and I was like, Should I stand here and be a teacher? Does he own me? I love the big problem in my life, if I'm being completely honest, professionally, is that people have too much respect for me.

I used to work with Bård and Atle, and we are the same age, and we have no respect for each other. But then I meet younger people and say, come over, we can do that. And then I look at their eyes, you think the idea is funny, but you think I have the right points, and that's dead for me. I get so angry, I come home to Nadine and say, damn, what a new day at work. And the guy who had the ski, listens to me too much. It's not a dream situation at all, because I'm an idiot. I understand, and you can't say that. Okay, you guys, let's stop here.

I notice now, it's in the room here, that you have too much respect for me. Yes, you hear that. Who is that? And there was something nice about you when I met you there, there wasn't so much we could find out. It was that you had that opponent, which I thought was wonderful. That you were a man of equal. Yes, if I were 10 years younger, I would have had much less of that.

But I notice a little bit of the same, without comparison to the others, because you had also, what you did, was defined a new way within humor, and so inspired so many in my generation and the generations around. So the respect you and Bård have, and Atle, is without a side in modern... It's nice, but it's also a bit... I understand what you mean, but I also notice that it's just a feature of having done stand-up now for almost 15 years. And without thinking about myself as 15 years old, and you listen to me, you notice that you are talking to a young comedian. This is someone who has seen me on stage for many years before, and has tried to do it himself.

There are people who have followed you from the side, and maybe look up to you. Here is one who has come up and stood in it and got it, you know. But it's not something you can think about until you suddenly notice a kind of strength relationship there, which is something you can't be asked about. And that's what I feel. Yes, you know that. And how do you emotionally react to the feeling that someone treats you with respect? No, I don't want that now. No, he doesn't want that either. No, he doesn't want that. It gives me nothing.

We're equal, right? We're equal. And that's why I want to be more rational in my cooperation with you around this game. I think he doesn't want to benefit from me being all over Harald Eige. No, no. So then... That's important. and so on. And I read that you like it, you are a little bit closer to asking questions, that we have a discussion here. I pick up a signal from you about that.

That's good, because what can happen to me in situations like that, if people show respect, is that I almost, not completely willingly, but unwillingly start to come up with really bad suggestions, because someone will say, you know what, it doesn't work, thanks, but then it will be a bad dynamic, because I have to try to come up with the best suggestion all the time. But you have to put a trap there. But you know, it's the worst thing, we have both grown up with, that there are some older people in our industry, who think things are not funny anymore, and it's not natural to say that.

But now, lately, I have started've heard that people around your age, I'm starting to say that the younger comedians, there was one who said, I'm going to mummify him, he said that there has never been so much stand-up, but so few jokes. He said that it was a kind of podcastification of the stand-up, that people try to do what you are so good at, and tell stories and such, but they don't have enough jokes, they think it's about talking like we are doing here on stage, is that something you have heard? No, but I understand what is meant. And I don't think it's just about podcasting. I think it's about... It's a bit annoying, the roguing of stand-up. That the friends of the roguing have become so big. And Netflix specials.

And I feel that... Has it happened in Norway as well? I think it's a lot of pjatt and mass. A bit bad. Tell us a bit more about pjatt it like? What is it like on stage? I often think there is a low level of that gang. And there are a lot of people who are into that gang. The gang you mentioned? Ari Shafiro and Tom Segura, he is a good guy.

So the Norwegian band you are looking up to? I think the level has dropped because it's about personal cult instead of craftsmanship. You're a part of a crew. Not only that group, but it irritates me a bit. I sit and look at it and people laugh so hard at the stadiums they fill. And I think I've been on the road to a better stand-up. So you mean that this disease hasn't hit the Norwegian environment yet? I think it's very good to stand up in Norway.

Not only that group there, I'm a little bit attached to them, but there is stand up. Even Lucy Kay and Bill Burrow and the whole generation there, they have jokes all the time. There can be more like that. That's what's cool about it. That's what I mean by the brilliant development of stand-up. And that's what I've been looking forward to. Of course, I love jokes for comedians too. But I felt that as a stand-up nerd, it was too predictable for me.

I needed to feel that I was living the life of a stand-up comedian. That's why I looked up to Louis Sique and thought he might be the best of the times. Because he is so textually competent, but he is so lively and calm. And that is, including me, when you have these role models, you would try to follow up on that, but you are not as good at writing jokes in there. So then it just becomes babbling. So to compare it with something else, it becomes like, let's say you are a musician who is a guitarist, and are doing something in between concerts. No one has made a guitar school for a long time, but then you go out and do something like this. And then there are some young guitarists who look at you and say, I want to do that. And then you get that solid band.

But I have tried to lure you a bit, Henrik, out on the slide. Because I would have loved that I could be older than you, that you and me criticized the younger ones, so that I could sit and be like... Oh, like that? ...get you to do the death sin that is to fall down. I deny. You deny, that's good. And I think a lot about that, that I don't want to be like that. And I think rather that... If they don't... They are often the same age as me, but I often go for the anti-humour and the absurd...

No, mostly like... In the wrong word, retard direction. Where is that? When you stand up there and have a special need. Are you saying that? How do you see Stockholm? And how do you make a voice in the audience? In the direction of Zach Galifianakis.

You play the judge more naively than you are? More than you are. Zach Galifianakis is one of the funniest people there is. And when I see shows like this, he is a clown, but also a very good humorous person. You can sit down on a piano and he is just a character, right? And then he does some stuff there, like between two ferns. It's just a strange feeling, right? And then he is just... And this has been seen with... And Vegard is very confident, that's very weak of him. He is the best example of that kind of humor.

Because he is more famous than many of those who are surfing. There is no commercial potential. I think it's fantastic. I think it's a new environment. You have got Lars Berrum in his last show with that Nietzsche thing. He could take the humor. I have a lot of respect. But what I'm curious about is how well this works outside of Oslo. There are many struggles. Vegard has worked, if not systematically, at least he has worked to maintain his integrity and style, but also tried to beat him without a fight. And that has guaranteed a lot of bombs. But he has started to find the form of it. Now he has his other solo show, which is always in many ways,

but it is in the anti-humour character direction. So it is jokes. But it is just very often. But he does the basics. It is surprising. He is born in Sigvars, but you never know how he will. He is fantastic funny. When he comes out on the Lars Bergholm show, and suddenly he comes out as the philosopher Søren in the church. He's going to talk about... It's so funny. It does a lot of things.

And what does he choose to talk about when he comes to our time? What is he impressed about? Is it the internet? Is it cars? No. It's that the wooden furniture is so light. There are new things every time. I don't remember. Oh, I have new things every time. Wooden furniture. How can they make a table with so little tree works? That's how it comes.

And that's... It's about... When you're doing it yourself, you have to... It's like a doping. You have to have stronger and stronger pressure. And that's why in the humour environment you get things like the Ristocrats, which is a thing in the US, it's comical. Even those who played in family sitcoms, he had... Hans Spirne? No, the one who had Full House, his father, who was the gruest of them all. I think he died a few years ago. Is that right? I don't think so.

He was the wildest of the aristocrats. Yes, I'll explain a little bit about that. It was a joke that was supposed to be a very rude joke about some people who are going to have a show called The Aristocrats, and what's going on on stage, and then there's a conversation with a manager and all that. And everyone has their own version. Yes, it was a fundamental insight into the story. It's a family that is going to something. And then it's about doing the most incest and the most horror and child-mortality and everything.

And then it always ends with the aristocrats. And in this we live in the underground environment. As it is in all environments, there are stories circulating, but this is like, we never take this on stage, this is only backstage. And then there are some who make a documentary where all these comedians tell their version of this joke. And it is... For me, I don't know if you feel the same way, but there is absolutely nothing that I feel is too boring. And in the back room? In the back room. And if I'm in the safe room, absolutely nothing is too boring.

And then you have to put in the analogy that people can have been in a strong family or been in a bad situation the last two years. But it can only be tolerated. Nothing can, you can't start to filter out something. And that is very satisfying. And if I could choose, my stand-up shows would have been always so dark, scary things. But I understand that in the show, the Laavkulturshow I have now, I have one sequence where it gets fucking crazy and dark. And it's a pretty early show. And then I get it out. And in some rooms I was the worst of all the places. And they loved it. They were like, clap, clap, clap! It's like Breivik stuff. Breivik who fosters that he was put in the fadonella.

That he was changed between lying with... Because Moria was pregnant with him and had sex with him. Yes, that the fadonella is a hole in his body. That he was changed between lying and a wild boy's base, Anders, and he was often lying with his skull and was beaten up and beaten up with his skull and he was beaten up like a baby, so he was beaten 50-50 in the brain and brain, and then we will be satisfied with how the result turned out. And I say, now it's not getting worse, this is by far the worst, now we are done with it. Because ordinary people, what is different between the professional-hurt-comic and ordinary people is that professional-hurt-comic are able to put a kind of mental wall between what you say there and the thought of what is happening outside. But for people who think about the outside like that,

they think about the images from outside, where these dead youths are lying, then it is no longer funny. So that is the damage you get when you manage to make such a closed room in your head, where things do not infect each other. But when you describe that... I just want to add that I feel that I can go as far as I want, because I don't think it's wrong to joke about it. Because it goes out of the way of the parents who have sex.

But that is implicit. But it's Breivik we're talking about here. And then there's a little bit of noise, so we should be happy that it went so well that it went. And then the melody will come. But if you say Breivik, and we'll think about it. But I would never have... I don't think I would have found anything humorous to talk about these... ...dead.

No, not true. Then you're right in the middle of it. But I just want to explain why people don't hang out... Or now they hang out with you. Many hang out with you. I see that people are sitting and... But anyway, I filmed it a couple of times, the show. And then people struggle a lot with those things. Then it's self-confidence. And nobody has to see that I've promised that thing.

It's interesting. Oh my God. But you say that the room, the back room, where you can just mess with everything. And I love that too. And at the same time, it's side by side sometimes. When I grew up in a boy gang, a lot of fucks, like in boy gangs, absolutely all the time. I still remember that I started to get 23-24, I thought like this,

I miss that I don't have to be always concerned with dissing of that, and fuck with that, and be, and being ironic about all that. So it was too much love for me. It was a nice free room away from the hard boy tone, and I know that sometimes with the comic environment as well. You get some breathing problems sometimes, like, can't we just talk about something and be so nice? Do you agree with that? Yes, I can understand and you mean it.

But I think... You can't live in that back room, you'll go crazy. It's that eternal jokes and jokes. I think that's also really nice. But what can I say, when you sit around a table with stand-up friends, that are actually friends, it's a bit different. Yes, it's a bit different if they're actually friends. I don't know, you're known as the very clear irony generation. And that has perhaps come back in some way.

I think it's always defined in the irony generation, because there are so many expressions. But I feel that it's been a lot of space to talk about the real things. Yes, it is. But when the jazzing comes up, let's say, how many times should Elsa have to laugh when I see the roasting that the brother and mother take their lives. I get like... I don't know, do we have to beat that horse one more time? But there has been a small problem, the roast wave that has come to Norway. It's very funny, I have to say, I have a high level, laughter in my mouth, but at the same time I get that bad feeling too. Very funny, but it has spread throughout everyday life.

You can quickly become more stubborn towards each other. At least us. Ole So for example, he is a tough guy. He is often a bit of a businessman. He must have a cool down for a week after a roast. He is a roaster. He is a roaster to keep going. He gets it. It comes in the track. I notice that you can throw out as people, you didn't know us, but we as guys were not ironic. I remember for example the Norwegian movie Deez, which was like a cocoon, and people bought... Aune Sand.

Aune Sand made a completely hopeless low budget movie, which was pretentious, stupid and completely selfish. People bought tickets, went to the cinema to read the film. And then Bård thought, we have to see this thing, like everyone else is doing. An absolute bottom line for a young film creator. Poor Agnes, he was literally hit on the street. People were so pissed off. It's a sketch of himself, and you're going to make an art film, and then people can laugh at it and bang it. Yes, and he didn't get any support either. He took it out of his pocket, so he didn't have anything to complain about. Either that he was a self-satisfied, petanxious dick, but anyway, we came there, and sat down, and the film is the movie is of course really bad, right? But then I look at Bård and people laugh a lot.

It's not funny, it's completely empty for me. And then I realized that I'm actually an ironic person. It's just when I make a comedy, but in life I don't go around laughing about serious and real things. I'm as engaged as everyone else. So this whole ironic generation, I got it completely marked. I saw people a little younger who thought it was about always being on the side of everything. Incredibly hard life. Oh, damn, for a prison.

Yes, very hard. Always hiding a little. Because when you suddenly, when you talk in a normal conversation, you can't know if people are serious or not, or if there is a team you like. It's very... Even for a comedian, someone who understands things, it becomes difficult to interpret. Yes, yes, yes. So it's quite stressful. Humor in all hands. Yes. But let's... I haven't checked my notes yet. I haven't checked mine yet. And it's a very good thing. There's a lot of talk about comedy. I think that...

You know what? I think people think it's a bit funny. Not to talk about go-tours. Shall we take one? We can. How much can we go into? I have... Okay. Okay. Okay. Your three... If you operate with a kind of stick here, what are your three... And we started with the third place, and then the second and then the first.

Your three favorite topics to talk about, and then if you forget the conversation partners, the audience that listens, and then I throw on ethical and moral as well. What? In case you were to order pigs in the bank there. But what is the best, if you can choose, what do you like best to talk about? I take arrangements one after another, but something I like to talk about, for example with Nadine or Bård or anyone else, so in the future I have something to come up with, is all the small things we do for daily, for example.

This is an old story, but it was several years ago, we worked at NRK, and we sat down for lunch at NRK together with Klaus Wiese. He was a star at NRK once. There are some who throw in old references, and there are young people all the way down to 12 years old. It doesn't matter, he was a big member of NRK, a former journalist and so on, and weist and we started talking about education. And he said, I have finished school after 10th grade, I never regretted it. And then he turned away. Do you know that guest? Yes, I do.

And Bårdle has discussed for 20 years now why he turns away. Is it because he is touched? Is it like Pølse Pettersen turns away when he films himself? All sorts of things like that. All the small things we do with our bodies. For example, people start to whip with their arms. I saw Einer, he is not John Gaelius on Dagstvind, he is like Vig Carin Millam. That Norwegians are a bit playful, popular. And with that, his arms start to whip. I am so big and then...

What the hell is a whip? I have a friend, often older men, who meet on a cabin trip, between the cabins, on the grass, scraping with their feet in the grass, when we talk. They scrape. And everyone does it. That's true, they stand there. A calm scrape, not like a rough scrape. No, it's a calm scrape. it's like a business on low gear. I have a lot of activity, I know what the hell, but to discuss what it's about, and try to find out. I'd like to call this person. You're good at calling.

You know what, I'm missing you a bit, how defenseless you are in just calling all kinds of people. And all the experts from the academia, a journalist who has done something... What do you mean by that? Take a zero for it! Yes, because I think if you are genuinely curious, then take the phone and think it's fun to talk about it. When we wrote Fucking Svladset, we had a little silly thing in the office. And we were like, this can be fast. This can be fast. Tor Haralds podcast, call him. That's what you meant.

And we actually wrote that in... It was so sad. No, but we have enough humor. Yes, but you know how TV is. And the best things we don't make in Norway. – No, that's how it is. – And they often get cult status. I've heard that out at Hage, their fantastic work, there wasn't really any big audience. – No, there wasn't. – It's been a cult series. – Yes, that's right. It was a cult show. That's right. You're quite low-key.

A collection of others. Yes, but a collection of others. Number two I like to talk about. I like to talk with professionals. I meet some doctors. This is a kind of split. I mean a really good split. We can actually talk a little more about the things you think are most interesting to talk about. The small things. Yes, like that, you want to go into it.

A little more. I want a little more into it. Yes, the small signals we send out to each other. Is it the sociologist in you, or is it just, yes, I'm probably just... I feel more in for psychology, this. For example, I drive in our street, it's pretty narrow, and the car is parked on the other side, right? So the driver with the obstacles on his side should turn. Do you follow this rule? Yes, I think him with a smile that is like... A bit like a beastish smile.

Wait, for the one who has... Me, who... He has done his duty. Yes. Do you understand? Yes. So I smile to him... You're a rule-breaker, you're a loser. No, no, I follow you more.

Yes, you did, but you should have just missed it. I think you talked about that in the podcast. I had made a trailer for it. Because Tore doesn't have anything, he's not interested in it. I always wonder about it. What is going on with all the small things we do with the body and face? and the face. Sure! You feel that you can't give anything back.

I can't say that. It's really good. Of course I would. Good. And I don't know what to think, but you also feel that it was a duty to show that. Yes, because after all, worried about swinging in there. Yes, good. Never stop. That's how it should be. Yes, that's how it should be. Don't get anything more from me than that.

That kind of... I have probably a lot of that all the time. Yes, people put... It depends on... I talked to Mikkel Livo, he puts a lot of effort into it, and that's because he is probably very afraid to be mansplainer, the teacher. He puts himself under, so if he knows something very well, if he has red hair and discusses with someone who doesn't know anything about it, he will still say that it might be like that sometimes. But he does it more... Mikkel is very humble. And what is the game there? I don't know if it's a game... No, the game was the wrong word.

I thought maybe about him as more unspecified. Before I went to Rome with Mikkel. Exactly. I thought about him as more unspecified that time. Than I have got the impression that he is later. The eternal discussion comes back when we talk about this. Is it outspeculated or is it intuitive? Here you change the direction of going more on the gulf. Yes, yes. What do you think about the clock?

The clock. We must have the top. Another thing I like to talk about is... Peak Performance. A list on the phone. My daughter is also part of the Peak Performance. I know, fantastic. They didn't have her daughter, but three of the other guests for a round.

Beautiful gang. I was so happy to find an expression that feels very original. Very good. It's a kind of humor nerd as well. I love that bad witch movie, which is a bunch of creators. There were like 8 film creators who sat in one room and were like, I love it. It's nice. I have to admit, it's a different story, but I'm terribly proud.

Yes, I understand. Second place. Second place is that I love to talk with... Let's say I meet some doctors. Then I want to hear what they say in the back room to each other. The truth about things. That doesn't work. You know, what you should do. For example... It's a social-economic reason that we do this. What you should do. The economic reason for doing this is... Other reasons... It's locker room talk with professionals.

Usually security officers at the guard post. What we do is that we often take a brush and see some old people. Or people with dark skin. Have you been in the cockpit before? And fly? Yes, but were there any secrets? I got to know everything. I got to know everything. Everything.

And he was a real... I was going to have a show somewhere, and then I got something... I was going to Tromsø, it was Rufsevær, it was the wind, they had to take a small round there, but they jasped through it. Oh, it was nothing. No, no, no. And all this, that you have to screw the phone, that you don't have to go under the wing, all this. It's only because there are extreme requirements for safety, so it's just to minimize, to minimize risks. Yes, I think so. And what was the reason that we had to take up that window curtain when we were in Lette? Yes, I got that that too, I forgot.

I just thought... You remembered, but I forgot. So that... Yes, damn, yes. Good. If you hadn't been there, we could have talked endlessly about it. But still, very, very good. The third thing...

That you are in first place, Or should we arrange it later? No, we arrange it later. As I like to talk about people, I have to think about it. What is it? Can't you get people with you if you are a dictator in a conversation? Or in a talk show? Yes. A live podcast. And you have some people on stage, but it's completely irrelevant what they think and like, and what the audience likes.

What I often experience here in life is that people complain about facts. The research showed that it was healthy, no, I don't believe in that kind of stuff, it's endless. No, I just saw a study that showed this. But very often it's not about the research and the numbers. It's about people having feelings. They think it's strange to put themselves in some kind of vaccine. Put a substance in the body. Or let's say privatization of older care.

I think it shouldn't make money on fitting in with the old. It's more effective if you have private care facilities. Then you let go of all the numbers. I want people to go faster and go to the feelings. And the reason they do what they think they do. For example, I have been in meetings with people. Then I notice that there is a gap. What is it? And then I get some ideas. And I notice that they are like, what is this? And then I get some ideas, maybe I can say that and that and so on.

And then in the end it comes, I have to say I was a bit skeptical about you, because you have been so hard and unempathetic and so on, but now I understand more. And then I said, didn't you say that once? Because then we could have finished with it, instead of having to work in the opposite direction for an hour or so. So that is the last part. It's more general. To be honest. If you could see the whole world as a movie,

the movie Liar Liar, where you can't put on those emotional strikes, you just have to get to the core of things. It would have been unbearable in a way, but very often I miss it because I think everything else... It's like childish desire, like driving it. Yes, childish. It's a little childish. It's throwing away time on everything else.

You know, like Trump now, who you are hard on against Zelensky. I can't just say like this, I don't miss it that someone criticizes me. I can't stand that someone says something negative to me. So now you're going to get it back in Swedish. With the same pun, as I perceive it. So it would have been so liberating. You can put them together, and then just see what happens in the background. Because very rarely, maybe with the exception of Trump, who just talks about the Elevator,

there is a strategic election that is being done. There are not so many people, many people are going to have. So what happens in the background, and again on the side of the link, they are going to separate China and Russia. And the Orwellian three great powers that just switch and control. Yes, that's true, because people high on the street can't be honest, they can't say the right things.

I understand that, but that longing... But what he does is... In negotiations, in business, he says... We have Greenland and Britsishuai, or Panama, and it's just to get, or the 12 barriers, it's just to get to a better deal. But again, it has taken some damn turns here. And it's so scary that they say, you know what, you voted for us, we said all of this, because Trump has been on rallies and just, kill him, kill him, everyone has to die. It's almost as bad as you. No one has taken it seriously, but...

We said it, he has been on rallies and said it. Oh my God, yes. Yes, he has, so he has been on rallies, he has done what I want to do, actually. I can't believe what has been said that day, but yes, I don't have time to get into it. How scared are you? I think it's been a bit awkward. And at the same time I try to see it. I realize that I haven't lived for so long and I can't see the historical perspective.

I know it's been terrible. I mean, think about Russia, how much they have occupied and taken up. And the US too, how they have been doing. I saw the Vietnam war documentary, it's nothing new, and of course there was another, there was a conflict, etc. But that Russia has gone into, everything has gone into,

just marched into everything up through. And then the Soviets broke up, and then they became independent than the state. It has been a long time. But right now, I don't know. I woke up today thinking what is the feeling I have in my stomach when I regret that I'm going to Henry. I feel sorry for Ukraine. I feel sorry for them. I feel it's a damn bad deed. I feel very bad for them. So it's emotional, but then I felt like, what the hell are we doing now? And I get like, I can't use oil money to give the support we need and so on.

I never get a good answer on why I can't use more oil money. Is it a rule of conduct? So I'm going to call it as I usually do. I'm going to call my number to Jonas Jens. I thought the same thing, if it was yesterday or today, I don't remember. But I just have to understand more the big politics here. I see the big picture. I have to understand more. You have to read the Pest, Hold of Open. You have a fortan now, Henrik. You understand that?

I have actually read it before, but I was so bad. I have forgotten. I don't have the brain, I have it. I have to read more things that time. It's great, you don't have the brain to read it. It's great that you don't have to buy a new book. It's great that you took the trip. It was a fantastic little chat. It was so nice and interesting. I understood that you were embarrassed when I pulled in your work in the game and the record. But I'm a big fan of your work, so I hope we can see more of you on the screen. You get a bit tired of TV the next day, it's difficult.

It's a bit boring. Luckily you can just make a podcast and be on stage. It's nice. Then we'll see how you do. But you, you are a beautiful man. A man in the same way. And we talked about... maybe you'll come back. I'll have that podcast longer, you know.

You know what? I will leave Skjegge Gro completely be invited back. Do it. As Harald Hårfager, just with Skjegg. Okay, goodbye. Goodbye. The the the the the

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