Fladseth - #231 - Fredrik Sjaastad Næss

Episode Date: May 30, 2025

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Let's get started. Fredrik Sjåstadnes, good old friend and colleague. We have known each other for many years and have started to stand up together. That's right. I haven't seen you juggle so much in the last few years. No, that's true. I had this... I got so damn nervous. There are many good people who are nervous. And women? I noticed that when we started the live show with the conspiracy theory, I wasn't nervous. You have withdrawn and now you are one of our leading experts in conspiracy theories and people who have been raised by them.

And people who are scary. I'm operating in my bed now. There are two things. There are several podcasts on each... I feel that you and Bjørn Henning Ödegaard... Are there several podcasts about evil people? Or is there only one? I agree. One about evil people.

What's the name of that? The world's worst. Right? Yes. It's nice. It's nice. I love the people. I sat in a summer and that was the most insane thing I've ever done.

My girlfriend was like, what are you doing? But now I'm reading the manifesto. He was the one who killed my people in Santa Barbara, who was the son of the producer of Hunger Games. Ironically. And he was totally crazy. And had a very big stank of himself. And was an incredibly creepy and nerd type. But he could not... He wrote very well too.

It was very interesting to read in a way. He was so bitter. He was so bitter because he couldn't understand that the lady didn't want him. He sat like, now I sit on the coffee again, and if the lady doesn't come now, I will sit in the workshop. That was the final solution, he called it. It's brutal. It's brutal. I recommend him. His body was hot. Is he from New Zealand or USA? He was a young guy from Santa Barbara USA.

Is that right? I can't remember his name. I don't know. I have it on my tongue, but I don't think I can get it out. There are a lot of shows out there now. But not... There are few that are so good. It's very, very nice. The best show. Again, now I have started again, Fredrik, with a new hit. I am so excited.

That's fun. I'm not tired of the old Bartemann. And the WW2, if there is a WW2 in Farger and such. It's beautiful. Those who knew Hitler, see now. Where is it? NRK has published it. I was out in the city yesterday, so I saw the other episode a little too full, so I don't remember any of it. But what about the one you are looking forward to seeing again?

It was divided into three parts. Those who knew him during the first years, when he started building himself up. The ones he knew during the 30s, when he got back to normal. And the ones he knew during the fall. This is an old interview with people from the 50s and 60s. This is my street. They talk about the interview with Albert Speer and such. But will your life story be worried when you fall into these holes? Let's say it's a criminal case.

It's a crazy story. Sumo wrestler became a zero. Yes, she became a sumo wrestler. Really? Yes, so that she... We both do a little strange bit of weird stuff, so nobody will judge each other. No, it's really cool. She started out a bit too motherly, she was just hanging around with some girls at Bjølsland,

and then she became a member of the NNM, and then she became a member of the Søll. What? No! And then she was out in the world. Like, am I with the kids What? No! Sold out. And then it was out in the world. You know, standing there. I am young now! No, that's completely ridiculous. I know, it's completely ridiculous. But how did you find... I didn't know that you were...

Flags on your chest? A sumo environment in Norway? You are together with a national team athlete. It's absolutely fantastic. I didn't see that coming. I saw you on the road with Flags on your chest. To Budapest. At the sumo competitions.

They met a thin man at 170 kg. But has it been like that? It has been. How did it go? No, it was the 17th. It was the last. But it's the European Championships. No one of us has ever participated in the European Championships. It's a lot of fun. There are little break in the Eurovision Song Contest.

I think there are more in Asia. I would like to believe that. But I saw some clips from the opening ceremony and so on. They had seen the opening ceremony of the Eurovision Song Contest. They went with something. There were some posters and flags. And there was a kind of snake formation in the rehearsal, but it was very thin soup of course. No, it was fun. Fantastic.

And she was a little worried when I read that she was going to be a party in the cabin. I think it's very interesting with her dark side. It is fascinating. Yes, it is very fascinating during WWII here in Norway, what made people choose the crazy side, if they have always been… And not everyone has been evil. What is so triggering? For example, Henry Rinnan, I am very fascinated by him. He will be filming something now as well. Yes, I am looking fascinated by Rinan. He is going to film something now as well? Yes, I am looking forward to it.

Tell us a bit about Rinan, because I am not necessarily so strong on Rinan. Rinan was a small guy. A little bastard. He was small. A little terror. He always felt a little less than others. I have read a couple of books about Rinan the last few months. He was also in the fight against the Germans when the invasion came.

He was first on our side. But then he worked… Almost everyone expected that. At the start he was there. They saw the German ship and went… Swim out and join the wrong team. And then he worked on something. Is there something bad with cars? Or do you have cars?

And then he started working with cars. And then he became an agent. And he has this band cluster up in Trondheim. Where they torture people in the basement. And there people live. But he doesn't go straight into torture, that's something that comes later. No, it comes later.

But he rolls up various resistance environments and is a kind of anivra. He is a damn good person. You are doing a great job with the car and all that. But if you were interested in being tortured a little bit, we could do that. So what makes him become evil? I think it's speculated in these books that I've read.

Absolutely. Here you hear about economic motives. It's not enough, because you're against your own people. So then you have to have some... I can see that if you get bullied and supported by your own people, the road is very short. Because he was very small and was bullied. He was probably bullied and at one point he worked at a sports shop.

When he was alone in the shop, two guys came and hung him up in the roof. He hung and dinkled there. And was taken for some beatings and stuff. So there is a man who has always felt a little small. Because he was small and was hung up in the roof. And then he gets some responsibility, feels important. And then he gets a little bit of a hard time. This is like that. There is no difference at that time and now.

We know that there is a lot of loneliness. There is loneliness all over the world. People who don't necessarily... who go alone with their own thoughts and feel a bit of pain around it. And then you get invaded. And suddenly you can get a community. Yes, exactly. Without it costing so much, because you don't have so much social bond in the output point. So I would say that those people there, you also see those who became SA soldiers in Germany and such, those who became more paramilitary groups, or hit the earth. That was maybe more recruitment, brainwashing in young age, but the adults who became paramilitary groups and the bank communists and so on,

that was, and actually all the people who did the cleaning there, it was a special people's federation. And what I have to say is that... Many of them? The ring of the day. He lives somewhere in Norway. If we were to be invaded tomorrow. Then it's those people who are still here. There are several potential members. Without necessarily having an ideology now, but that it's latent in their DNA.

There's probably no one, maybe one sick bastard, I don't know, but there's probably no one who thinks I'm the new Rinan. No, we have to hope that. I'm ready to pull out the mask if there's any Russian invasion coming. What do you think? You should read more about me. I don't know. I just think it's incredibly fascinating. And what I think most is that I hope and believe that you yourself would stand on the right side. That's what you have to conclude with here. That's the question you ask yourself. Which side have you chosen? We are both on Manchester United.

Yes, we have chosen the wrong side. We have kept our team young, but I have several people who have told me that they are not interested in football, that Manchester United is incredible. It's like you had kept your nose in the team. It's safe and sound. It's safe and sound. It's safe and sound. I can't imagine that I would have been on the same team as today. I can't imagine that. I'm a bit confused. I don't want to have it very painful.

I just had to go to the shooting range, but I haven't had any first-time injuries. What do I do now? Do you have it? No, I've been able to get it out as long as they stopped calling me. They stopped calling you? They stopped calling me. I was at a position where they didn't want me. I really wanted to be at a position, so I said I was ready. But then I regretted it.

I got other thoughts. Then the call came, and I was trained to become a drama teacher. And then they realized that it wasn't a training we needed in the Norwegian defense. Then they stopped calling me. It's important that he does that. He does an important job. He does an important job there. But do you think you would have been...

I was very fond of this Max Manus film when it came out. Do you think you would have been able to perform similar types of sabotage? I would rather have done that than be face to face with the gun and full self. With a bayonet? No, that doesn't work. I would rather have done an exciting, secret mission like that. Gun and Sønnskibyga. No, you know, they have to sneak around and it's quickly done with shots and found there. I don't know. In desperate times you can find ways to do some sick things.

I thought what is at stake. I thought I would hate the enemy so intensely. And I thought I would do this for my friends and family as well. I don't know. I don't know if I am the one who is most convinced. No, I can also see that I could have just taken the family with me and left. A little to keep them safe, but also to let them be with themselves. Wolfgang V got a little critical, because he said right away that I had just been deserted. He had that. And he should have some peace of mind to dare to say that.

There is very little to say actually. And everyone just wanted to say, I wanted to do it. Of course, I would have taken the weapon. But when your life is in danger, then it's not as fattening. No, and it's easy to say, I would have done that and I would have done that. But we have just lived in the house and the house. Can you feel the danger of life? You get scared of freezing to death and it's not easy to do that. We've had enough.

We have to thank our old heroes. Gunnar Sønsteby and Gregors Gramm and the rest of the gang. Gunnar Sønsteby. Okay, good. Shall we continue? Yes, I have a conspiracy theory. I'm starting to get tired of it. Because I was on a flight the other day, and I realised that I have never heard or seen a female pilot before. Have you? Never?

I had never seen it until the beginning of May. Have you seen it? Yes, I used the air force DAT, Danish Air Transportation, to the island. And there was a Danish female pilot. Was it? In the whole world? Yes, but that was the first and last time. It was a bit boring. It would have bit what we were going to talk about. It would have been fun if we hadn't heard about it. But that was a Danish company, the Norwegian company might have been operating.

Yes, but there is no doubt that there are very few female pilots. I think there are 99 out of 100 pilots, if not more. If not more, yes, there will be more. It sounds so weird, but it will be 99,7. If I think about it like that. We have to go up a bit. We have to say 9997 of 10,000. Yes, I think we have to go up a bit. Three female pilots in the 10,000. Yes, and then I think we are out. Yes, I think so. Three female pilots in 10 000. Yes, and I think we are out.

You got a lucky hit with your Danish female pilot. Yes, it was just luck. It was one of 10 000, and you hit that one. Yes, you have been exposed to a lot of pilots on various flights. And it's the men. Now we shouldn't dig down that wall, but it's something with what profession you make a hell of a device that is not made by men or women. But we just leave some of them. I haven't heard anyone talk about this. And this is a huge problem. That we can't have anyone, one in ten thousand, is a woman.

And no one talks about it. It should have been a debate. I forgot to close the door. It should have been a debate. Because when it comes to doctors... We need more women in the pilot industry! When it comes to the medical industry, I consistently rely more on female doctors than male doctors. Simply because there is a care system there.

And if a male doctor, according to my experience, doesn't dare to say I don't know this, I have to check with a colleague. He just throws out some shit. But women doctors, quality insurance, they are much better. Much less proud. A man will not be impressed by the taste. No, I know this. And then he takes the wrong one. Yes, totally. So I choose, the times I have changed my permanent doctor, I always choose the female doctor from the medical portal.

Or what do I choose? You have changed your permanent doctor. Do you always choose female doctors from the medical portal? You want to have female doctors when you are in everything, in the care, of course. And actually, for me, it's the same thing. Think about male gynecologists. I feel like many just find themselves in them. I think that's a bit disgusting. Yes, it's the lady. It depends bit different for the man, of course. It's a bit different for the man. I think he's a frostbite, it was great.

I think the ladies didn't know what to expect, of course. But they were like, oh my God, what a beautiful little man. Because he looks very innocent. But he is very guilty. A point I have repeated, in a way, we have to start looking differently at who is bad and who is kind. We can't have a kind of child drawing series approach to it. If you are bad, if you have a child's letter in your closet, this is a standard bit I have tried on the test the other day as the door If I see a dresser, open the door for ladies and stuff, I'll knock it out Come back, knock it out

Where is the girl? Where is the girl with the comb? Where is the girl with the comb? You bastard Because it's just as naive to believe that the bad guys look bad as looking at a bag crime and just at the start of the bag crime hey, there's the mother, the creepy, lazy worker in the car he tortures cats too

no, he's never lazy in the car he's never with the mother he doesn't torture cats that's the only friend he has the cats he loves cats no one treats cats better than him. It turns out that he is good as gold.

He hasn't killed anything. It's true. Bill Cosby. That was the turning point for me. Bill Cosby, Ray, I was going to say. When it came out. That the most beautiful American granddaddy, he called the comedian, called Chris Rock and said Chris, relax a little with the banding on the stage, I don't understand banding on the stage

While he had Rock on the stage, he lay down on the couch, and you was lying on the couch, like you were fingers with the other hand. That's how they were. Always the most beautiful. Very often. Jan Helge Andersen, good example. Jan, I think Vigo was absolutely not mom's best child. No, but he looked so bad. Yes, he was framed. It was so easy for the press. And everyone was blaming Vigo that time. And Helge is the owner. He is so nice, he just deals with it. Poor guy.

He stands in the background. It's those who are always in creeps. He is the manifestation of a creep. He is Jan Helge Andersen. It was very obvious that Vigo was much bigger than Jan Helge. But that's wrong, because Vigo the little Jan Helge is a man's fire, isn't he? Yes! But that doesn't make any sense?

No, it's completely... Just think how damn this thing is. They've seen video recordings of the court, it's horrible of course. And they have taken it away. A terrible, terrible setup. And I think that he is a little psychopath and everything. He has done this alone, it's all clear. He has buried it and then proved that you, Hanvigo, as you think he has been there,

he can't have been there. He could not have been there. No, that is convincing. So you must have done it alone. And this will be done now. And it has been anchored to the high court, right? Yes, it is one or the other court. Yes, one or the other court has been anchored. And now it is a new round, and now it will be put on the last spiker. Once and for all. That he, that bastard, he killed, he raped and killed those two girls alone. But that's how it is. You're not crazy.

So he can only get two years extra. He can't get a new... But if he can't be sentenced to imprisonment, then no one can be sentenced to imprisonment. No, totally. Can't you go in now and sentence him to imprisonment? He has to go in. How would that be? You have to go through some instances to confirm that you are in a good position to come out in society. He will never kill two children again.

They have found things on various computers and hard drives. And that should be enough to say that you are judged for that, but you are also judged for this. Yes, yes. I agree. I think everyone knows that I am very unfaithful in a way. But it's not true. Because he has lied about it. He has ruined another Vigo's life. Yes, that's one thing. And I don't give a shit about Vigo. I know he has been harassing other young people that time. I don't have any heart for Vigo. I don't have Vigo posters on the boys' room. I just felt that there had been something wrong the whole way.

I felt that. I said that. I said that. Then we should be straight. Where is the author? Yar? Where is he? No, that is more built into the story. He is Bo Alla. He is… oh, fuck. He is… Drifty. Yar is drifty.

He is drifty. He is in all the stories. So it's just a school of thought. Everything. He loves all the stories. Maybe he does it himself. Just to have a life and work. It would have been a book. It would have been a book. It would have been a plot. It would have been me who was the murderer.

It would have been me who killed everyone. Good old me. Where are we? I don't remember. I think we should be honest. We close this episode with a little bit of a Good old years. Ehm, yes, no. Where are we? I don't remember. I'll be honest. No, but we'll close it.

As I said, yes, as I said, always very rarely those who are very out of the game, or those you think are the bad ones, yes, they can be ignorant in their behavior, they can ban, they can drink.

But they are not the worst? They are not the worst! No, they are not. They are very rarely the worst, because the worst, they will get an alibi themselves, because they have something to hide. And then you are not the worst. Then you don't walk around in the street and scream and shout that you have three women tied up in the basement? He is totally like a construction worker screaming on the square. He has never curled his hair in any way. He is scary, but he is not dangerous. Not dangerous. The drug addicts, if you come to Storbyn and you see the drug addicts, you have to go around them, because they are very rarely bad.

Yes, they are not that bad. Never bad. They are just vulnerable people who have had a hard time growing up and started with drugs and now they are working to get their next dose of heroin. They are not after you! What do you think of the invisible Satan? They are after you! You damn bond-tamp, who is in the city of Storbyn. They are not going to come and take you! But those who operate in the shelter and meet in various forest areas, for example up there in the hall? The song hall? Yes, I was thinking of this hall, this Beethoven-Millehagen-hub, which is 50 meters from where I am a football coach for my daughter's team. They operate in the shelter, but they are dangerous.

Yes, but they also organize crime, so it's very rare that it will be collateral damage. But they don't take you and... No, they take each other. Yes, they do. And they have to keep that in mind. Yes, they have to keep that in mind. It's great that they have something to do. Yes. But I have to ask what you did with Milauen. Did he just get money or did he have other motives to take the throne? That's what they are doing now. I'm not sure.

But I'm going to, I think that when I was going to get my youngest child to sleep a few days later, usually we wake up in the morning and sleep on the balcony. But then I told my wife that I was going to watch a movie today, because I was going to watch it in Aastød. I went into the cupboard and watched it. I didn't find it. Many would be afraid, because it was a bit dangerous there now. No, it's not dangerous now. It was dangerous before, around when it happened. But it is very little dangerous now. And there were many... The lights went out? Yes, there were many...

Several feathers that came out. There were many feathers with wings. And you saw at a glance, like, okay, you are in trouble, you are looking for something else. Because here is no one else who is trilling. You don't trill here with wings. There were so many I was like, I saw 15-16 pieces. I was inside of you. And then you don't see anything, because everything is gone. The only thing you could see was flowers and smell.

I couldn't find the flowers. So it was more like being there and feeling like, here, here something has happened. And did you dream about maybe seeing a blood stain, maybe a small piece of the brain? Because I think it was, as well as the fire department, to spoil a little. So I think there were some brutal things. Yes, it's a sin to spoil the weight. It's like a witness of real life and this is reality. But this can also be denied.

Let's say that they don't get rid of this, then it turns out in 15 years that we should not litter the place. We did not litter all the evidence. We littered too early. Now we have to learn. We can't litter so early. Now we have had so many justices. But yes.

Yes, including that we should not litter for 5 years. Set up a tent. Do not touch the place. We are not going to waste 5 years. Set up a tent, don't touch it. There can be a lot of breakthroughs in the technology front. Absolutely. It can happen in 5 years. Never touch it. All the draps, all the stools have a lavvo. It must look nice today.

A kind of a memory mark. A kind of a layer of stone. Nice, solid stones, nice and over. To preserve evidence. It's not stupid. It's not stupid. Are we going to lock up the female pilots? Yes.

I want more female pilots. We want that. But it's not strange that it's like that. We have to realize that... My son, a damn plane and helicopter. I love that thing. Don't get it knocked over. And I think... It's not like no girl likes to play with vehicles. But it's a big part of boys who play with cars and installs machines. At least I'm talking about my son. He doesn't do anything else. He loves to install vehicles.

We've talked about this at home. We have one of each. I just need to get a cup of coffee. Yes? What do you want? Oh, I've got a coffee spurt. Where were you? At home you've talked about it. Yes, we've talked about this.

We have one of each. One boy and one girl. And we've been very careful not to put up with one person liking that and the other liking that. We're not going to put up with the table that the girl has to play with you, or that the boy has to play with the digging machines. But it has happened. It just happens by itself. Our son is completely happy to wash. A perfect Saturday for him is to walk around and look at the digging machines in the street.

The whole kingdom is so boring. I think it is. But I find it fascinating with dump trucks and big trucks. It's a bit fun too. It's not just dump trucks and excavators, but before that it was all cars. At that time, cars... And that was boring. Every car was fun.

But I would be a big uptour if you saw the excavator. That was a bit like me too. Fun with a Toyota Yaris and such. All of them. The worst, most ugly car you can imagine. He didn't make a difference on that one. Everything was the same. It wasn't a difference on a Toyota Yaris Verso and a Ferrari. No.

It's just as bad. It's like a Ferrari. It's weird. There must be some research on it, but it's in the gene pool. Let's dive into the human mind. What fascinates us? Because I hope that it impresses a young person. I understand that. It's Christmas, it's Måte, they drive around, it's great. Everything is exciting for a child, and that is one of the most exciting things. You can think about it. And look at these drivers around, what is inside, how they manage to drive. All these thoughts. And then there is a difference between boys and girls, there is no doubt, so there is something in the boys' heads that is triggered more than that.

It has to be right, yes. And without violence, and of course there are many girls who... What do you think about cars and digging machines? Do you think she doesn't care? Yes. Right and left? Yes. Car is a means of transport. She has the same thought as me.

Car is a means of transport. She will get it. No, no, no. So, do you think it's fascinating to see if you see the ones digging us, will they change their their shoes for example. I don't think so. She doesn't give a shit about that. She doesn't give a shit about that.

Yeah. Jagerfree and stuff. No. This is nothing. No, no. I don't think so. This is nothing! I'm not impressed by that. No. It's okay to beat it. It's not that... It's okay.

But were you interested in this as a child? Yes. You were? I don't remember. So I just wanted to say yes. Or I don't know. I've never been as interested in this as many others. Many people still have this car and motor interest. I haven't been there at all. Unfortunately. I wish I could have an old car in my garage and that I could make use of it.

It seems like... I feel healthy when I see people do that. A perfect... Let's say you moved to Hakkadal and had a two garage, you had an old Ford Mustang, like you had in 12 years, and you were like, one day, one day I will get it to drive. And then you had to breathe a little, and then you didn't get any extra parts from a guy in Switzerland or something. It was really beautiful. There is no limit to how much you can upgrade every single component in the car.

And optimize it. I dig in Need for Speed and car games where you win races. And you can buy Nitro. Is there anything real? I don't know. Nitro exists? It's super fast. It's really fast.

It's hard to turn and stuff. I mean, even as a child, I thought, it's cool with nitro, it's red with super fast, but is this real? Is it real? Can you get nitro? Where do you get that nitro? Where do you actually buy nitro? You're like a little kid who comes up

and asks where you get car stuff or just, I would like to have a little... Nitro. Where have some nitro. Where is the nitro that I hear so much about? Super! I have a super! That is really fun! It's very fun. And us, I was so happy that I could like a spoiler or two.

A really high spoiler. When you played Mojaffa and got a spoiler point, right? That was the highlight of life. When I thought that Mojaffas BMW. When he got the camera, that was exciting. To you young listeners, this is a game we played as children. Where you were this character Mojaffa, who had a baby. And you drive on a road, you have to push away obstacles and stuff, and then you can hit on women.

And if the only goal is to get in the car and suck you, isn't that okay? Yes, a diverse sex life experience. And that you're being sucked out by blondies is okay. And then you can upgrade your car, get more points, and then the chances of getting out increases. But you also have to catch, you have to drive... Isn't that right? And along the way there are also condoms, and you have to pick up those condoms, or she doesn't want to be part of it. No, because it's not Mojaffa who is responsible, it's the lady who doesn't want to be part of it.

No condom, no... Are there whores? That... In the word of the word, right? It must have been that in a way. And you heard sex workers, right? I've never thought about it before, but there is no one who drives around. Is it hair or is it a bra?

That's the question. Something like that. They don't have the right moral compass when you get into a car. No, this was a bad flow. Yes. No, actually not. It's good. Moral, using condoms, maybe there was some difference. Yes, maybe there was some difference. Maybe it was the people who work to inform if someone should use condoms. Yes, a state body.

A state body, yes. Condom, a. Condom organization. Maybe it's something that they had a finger in the game. It can be fast. It's flowing so well. You have a classic, if you were to go back in time. Because you have gone down in so many conspiracy theories. What would you rather go back to just to get checked? Have you thought about that? Conspiracy theory wise?

I can start if you want. Buy yourself some time, because I have actually thought about it. It's the classic one. I thought about it a bit, I think. I think I have to choose something that happens in between. I have to guess if this is right, with the year 0, somewhere in between, say, year 22. Yes. Then it says in the history that Jesus will be 22 years old. Is that right?

Yes, according to our time. 22 years and up coming? Or would you wait a little longer? Maybe 9 years, 29 maybe? How old was he then? He was 34 or something like that last time. It's sad to go for 29, and then it was wrong with 34, he was only 28. If it was 27, then all the others... It was 25. All the other big stars.

Henrik, John Straublin, Amy Winehouse, Jesus. All of them, I think. The four big stars. Yes, the four big stars. I say 2006, just to save. 2007 is so scary, I know. I was saving sorry if you thought it was extra. So I just checked, that guy there, the liver, where is it exciting, isn't it? Because then, where do you want to spawn?

I spawn in Galilee, or whatever. Over there somewhere. Over there, in the middle east. And then it has to start, if you don't meet the speaker with the head, you have to ask if you know about a guy called Jesus. I must have had a history book with me, right? To get the speaker with the head and where your child was. I don't remember. He was angry. Is it a house it not? If someone asked me, where did Jesus operate? In David's city?

I don't know exactly where I would say it. Which country in our time? He was born in? Bethlehem. Bethlehem. A child was born in Bethlehem. Yes, that is my source. But then they were on a journey and just went to a stable in the Bethlehem area. Maybe a little bit outside of Bethlehem, I is my fault. But then they were on a journey through and just walked past a stable in Bethlehem. Maybe a little bit outside of Bethlehem, I guess.

Yes, it must have been a forester. Because they were supposed to sign their names here, wasn't it? Yes, but this was very far away to think of them. This was when Cancer Augustus, who was the adopted son of Julius Caesar. Was he? Yes. And eventually it was... So there is no longer time between Caesar and Jesus, they were close.

Very close. And they met each other. Yes, I know more about Roman history than this Jesus, you know. But that was when Caesar... he had an octave, I think, and took the name of the emperor, Augustus. Yes. And then it was after... it was a time when Caesar was struck by a haum. Was it Brutus?

Among other Brutus. But anyway, it won Caesar's side, this little uproar about the throne. It was a republic and a democracy where then Caesar, as I understood it, who was a general, a very famous good general, took military coup and all that shit and became dictator and became Caesar, the emperor. Yes, that's his name, right? Yes. So it's... But yes, that time is raw in the point of view.

Yes, it's cool. It's cool! And Augustus worked so hard, he became the fucking emperor. So far I have heard the rumors. They were satisfied with others. The rumors are going to be... And he was going to write in the di-mantal. It was one of his big... It was on the Hall of Famer list.

He wrote in the mantal, among other things. His after-message? Yes, after-message. Mantal. But it was a kind of folk register. Yes, it must be. Because there is a lot of focus on this in this, what is it, in this speech in the church, Christmas evangelism. Yes, I think it's Christmas evangelism.

Because the whole beginning, it was the time when people were to write their names. It was not out of the question what it meant. What is the motivation to write your name here? It's indefatuation. It's just jumping to the floor. They are there. Bethlehem. And then I feel that he had his first youthful year in Galilee.

What is the end of that? Gallia? To have had so much KRL in Norwegian elementary school, I can disappear a little bit in Jesus' life. But where was that Lord who was the worst and spread the land? That's what I'm asking. Was it Him who shared the water? No, it was Moses. They also mixed it up. Yes, you shouldn't do that. Jesus could probably share the water.

He went on the water and took the water. I don't think Jesus got that much power out of him. He was supposed to be the representative of the people. He was supposed to be one of the people. God, his father, he didn't give as much power as Moses. That's where I come from, that God is his father. You don't understand that yourself. No, I'm struggling a little. It's a little unbearable for me.

As I understand it, God and Jesus are the same in a way. They don't have any meaning. No, they are holy spirit and something. There is something in them. I don't think they understand themselves. The biggest conspiracy is with all of them, we can say. I said this when our youngest child was going to be baptized. Because we had baptized our child in the church. Unwittingly, why? Because none of us are religious.

But it's a tradition. We used the baptism dress that belonged to my grandfather. Before, when I was younger and more of a rebel, I would have been like... Why did God die? Come on, let them be in the church and die on the stone. Then we got to rent the company's premises in the basement. We were two people in the same room. But there we had his previous conversation with the priest.

And then we realized, what are you doing with Fredrik? No, the conspiracy podcast and conspiracy theories. And he started asking me what I thought about the church and Jesus. And then I said, it's probably the biggest and oldest conspiracy of them all. He didn't like that at all. Oh no, he didn't like that. He sat down and looked at me and said, I believe in this. And then I felt that I had spied on him and sp thrown on his whole faith and business life.

Yes, that was a very bad start. Very bad. You were going to save me for that? Yes, I was going to save myself for that. And then he started asking me about almost a quiz. Yes, Fredrik, what do you say when you're on the ground on the throw? I don't know what that is. I'm not quite sure about was. I'm not sure. I'm just complaining.

You have come from earth and you will be to earth. And then I felt at one point that we were at a turning point. If we were allowed to meet at the top. Imagine that you stand there and your daughter or whatever is going to be duped. And then the press is just like, are you used to so much water? What are you doing now? Why do you need so much water? And then we realized that he was trying to kill his daughter.

I was afraid that we would say at the end of the conversation, you know what? You are not allowed to do that. It's not allowed. We send your daughter to Satan. Fucking heathenskje. He knows nothing. You can't get permission. It's not allowed. We send your daughter to Satan. Fucking hedenske. He knows nothing. And here we had invited to a company. The worst thing is that suddenly the stand had been left out of the company's premises.

And then what the hell should we do? We had to go out. It was in the middle of the winter. Imagine if he was right and he just took a cross and came out of my house. And then you went up in smoke and became a flagpole. Ha ha ha! You became a hero. I think that's what they dream about, something as tangible as that. Such things as that. They dream and dream about it to be so clear, but it's for everyone so clear as that.

It must be something more tangible, I think. Yes, it is. But I think... I think I talked about this before, I think I talked about this in the last episode of this podcast as well. But it's just that... I'm on a... I think about the day. I've been at the gist of it, and during the writing or talking time, I've been calling myself at the gist.

I don't care about that. I'm an agnostic. I'm an agnostic! Shut up! What am I saying? You're not a snob! There must be something more in between Yes! You're not smart! Who has realized that there must be something more that we don't understand. Yes! Everyone knows that

We don't understand shit! Look up in space We don't understand anything! It's obvious! And they say to me like I'm an agnostic Agnostic, what is it? The most annoying word I know. Agnostic. A provoking word. You just realize… I don't know what to say. I don't have words to be annoying.

But either you have to choose now, or… because agnostics are the same as… It's the same as not having a brain freeze. It's lost. And at least it's a little more like… Okay, we're going to get into the next one. At least it's a little more like… I know that there is nothing more after death and those things. It's like… It's incredibly scientific and actually quite boring. Yes, yes, yes. The view of life is a view of life. So I thought, is it a bit like, a bitter stomach thing to be? Yes.

Is it a bit like, is it going to be a glimpse of my mother too? It can be. It's probably nice, it has to be nice with your faith now. I'm healthy and those who have that. I have been using a Christian youth training once. War. Used by the government. Offer. Because it was in the U.S. I can take a break.

Free entrance and Magasuga. And you could choose to be in the air-free life, or a bit like that. It was a nursing school, but Christian message. And I wanted to be in football. Okay, then it's five days of playing football. That's fun. The key to it is also that there are God's services every day in a big tent. And that's when I realized that I don't buy the message here. I think it's a bit too boring. But football was fun. Everyone is nice, everyone is happy. Of course I am happy. I don't know, maybe I am just in a phase of life where I need more meaning in a way. I can't fake that I believe in it. I don't believe in God and Jesus.

There are many smart people who believe in this, it's great. I think it's about that I have never been affected in my youth. And that is, if you are affected in your youth your youth, you are too weak to believe it. Because you almost feel the power physically. I thought you could make a child believe it. If I had changed something. I would like to make your son believe it. As a research experiment, just start saying that, and then there is Theodor,

that we are created by what we call our Lord, who is our Lord, who is over, he is very abstract God of course, but he is above us, he has created us, he has created everything here on earth. And then it starts like that, he had bought it immediately. I almost got my 6 year old daughter to believe that I had written Harren Drømmer Jørgen Hol. That's funny. And I had on Gli… Did you play it? Yes, we played it. I heard it. I'm a little unsure why.

But suddenly it came on Spotify, there was some shuffle thing. Then it came and I said, you, that little song. No, it's dad who wrote it. I'm a little unsure why. But suddenly it came on Spotify, there was some shuffle stuff. Then it came and I said, you're the one with the little songs. No, it's dad who wrote it. And I had it on my fork. But then her mother came and... And destroyed it? And punctured it. It was long enough and so horrible. Oh yes, for a sour pump on a special door.

Yes, I was a little like, damn it. Damn it. It's just fun. It's just fun if she goes to kindergarten and says that says that her dad has written a dream and does it. But what's also fun is that it can almost be like you can live the dream of an artist. You can take out the guitar and play it like you have made it. I have a dream of coming home, there's a friend in that house. And then you play it like song, it's your song

And the kids become your biggest fan Have you written all these songs? I'm freaking out! Have you got a dream? Dad has made... I'm freaking out! Have you got a dream? And it would have been fun to just stand there And then you go up a light and it's 17

And you're like, huh? Isn't it you who wrote the lines? What are you saying? That's a gay prank. You have to prank your kids. I really enjoyed that. And then I said, and I joked with that before, that it was a gay prank. That I played the role of a distant, little dad.

Who always sat with the wiser and didn't want to be disturbed. I played the role of a little, well-behaved, father who always told me not to get disturbed. And then many, many years passed before me and my wife suddenly said, No, Kronta! He's a real, real works to make people laugh! He's never read a book! He's just so...

That would have been fantastic! Yes, that would have been great! I like it very much. Can I use it myself? The one with the songs? Yes, that one is open to everyone. That's very fun! He's still too young, this one is open to everyone. That's very fun. He's a bit too young yet, but I'll start with that. That's fun.

Dad is a musician and he wrote this song. You can take everything, it's just very good and good. Every breath you take. Every move you make. That was nice. Oh, that was wonderful. No, but where you want to… No, but just like that. You travel back, you meet Jesus and just, Okay, but here's a quarter of a lot of these freaks up in the morning, who pretend to be the same as they are able to. And they are like, this is exactly the same as a con artist, or whatever they call it.

It was cool. That would have been completely new. Otherwise, because otherwise it would have been a whole mess, and so confirmed. There are many people who have let him through, but once in a while a guy lives. I believe he is a son of God, so is a good man, you just get it confirmed. You might see a broadened version of a country person. But what would you have done then? Then you would have had to become a Christian.

Yes, and it is difficult to come back in today's times and get involved. Because then you would have had to convince people. And then people would not have believed you long as you had filmed and documented it. But if I could go in and change the course of history, so I could put a proof in the nature in a way, so we are just laying it here, to show that it was there. So I dig it up. Oh my God, look at that.

And then I had to. Okay, what would you go for? It's the eternal life of John F. Kennedy. It would have been exciting, but he was the cool guy. I know he wasn't the cool guy, but I think it was him. Oswald? Yes. Because is it said that it wasn't him who shot him, but I think it was him. Oswald? Yes. Because is it said that it wasn't him? It is said that he was a so-called sinner, and that he was shot from a small grass tree there, but those who think he is completely innocent, then look away from the fact that the same day he shoots a policeman because he flees, and chooses to go to the cinema and gets arrested at the cinema.

If you are completely innocent, you don't just shoot a policeman on the street. No, but less then, it was an isolated thing, that he was a little crazy and did it, and then okay, we can use him. Yes, because he worked on this book, where the shots were fired from. He was there that day. And there is also a theory that he shoots, and then there is the lifeguard in the front, who is the unlucky guy with the gun, who also hits JFK. How many shots are there? How many shots are there?

How many shots are there on the Kennedy? There are two or three. There is a lot of armor there. It's rear armor. Is that armor? Is that armor? Rear armor?ory? Back hatch. Back hatch. Back storage.

The storage room. It would have been fun to just... Would you use one opportunity to get that one? No. Or would you put it on the series? I don't know. I don't think I would. It would have been fun to be in... Roswell. In 1947, and just looked like this, ok, but what is it?

UFO stuff, yes. What is it? Is it anything? And if it was something, what was it? And just had it documented with a camera and said, look here, this was a small plane or a fucking... Yeah, that has been interesting, because it is true that there are a lot of pictures of UFOs, but never a good one, it has never been a good one, a good picture, good resolution of those things, always blurry. Always, and then? Why? That is a crushing evidence against the fact that there is a subculture. I agree, and also the number of pictures has decreased with the use of mobile cameras.

Something that is strange. Then you would think that there were even more pictures and even better pictures. To now look at the image pictures on these new phones. We also know the enormous distances in space. The space ships we have seen, I don't see the point of them travelling that far. They are too big and clumsy, I think. And if they would come, one thing is that they have to drive faster than we do, they are able to see us. If they manage to get here, they also manage to have a technology that makes them just come here and they are not seen. Yes, it's so strange that they drive around these borders and do... No, I don't buy that. I have to say that I thought it was damn exciting.

Because sometimes I just choose to almost believe a little, because then I find it exciting. Yes, to join the journey. Yes, I saw the documentary about him there, Bob Lazar. Yes, the one with these thick glasses. Yes, which seems very credible. And he should rocket maker and an engineer, who built his own rocket, a little rocket-Matsen over there. Yes, he is. Bob Lazar. And then he was on a secret project in Area 51. And then and there you will be a kind of... a kind of... they have a whole...

a lot of alien speed. Which they are driving, which they have picked up and which they have parked in there. So they will pick them up from each other and learn how this technology... and then we use it to make something else. Yes, and it's like, and just the detail in the wealth, how these unfunded works. Yes. I think that was so exciting. Even if it's just bullshit, I think it was so exciting to dive into that world.

I'm a little happy about that. Yes, but he has also, if I remember correctly, been targeted by some people, some prostitution people, I'm wondering about. I'm not going to throw him under the bus, there may be others, but I'm wondering about it. Yes, I think so. But it's exciting. We have had an episode about him. I didn't believe it, I think. No. But it's like... Yes, he seems a bit crazy, but also quite convincing. But it's because he has so much...

If he can, then it's like he can build speed. Yes, he is obviously a smart guy. Yes, when one of the heroes comes, who has been driven away by some space creature, who is never able to reach a car or fly, then it becomes a thin soup. When you explain what it was, how

it looked like, but he has so much insight that he managed to make himself, and have just found it all together, then it is also an exciting story. It is exciting in the big of the content of the truth, because I use a word I very rarely use. It's a difficult word. I think you should use more.

Yes, I have introduced it now. No, but yes, Roswell, yes. Because it's the most famous one, the one that took the water. Yes, absolutely. It's the most famous one he took in the water. Yes, absolutely. It's the most famous UFO. The UFO start on the UFO wave is that he will probably support a UFO in Roswell, Texas in 1947. One thing I would really like to be, it's not something I would necessarily want to be, because it wasn't very nice, but maybe flying on the wall, at least,

to see how it really was in the Dyatlov passage. That is fine. Can you quickly go through that? Yes, how many are there? Let's say 12. There are pieces that are going on an expedition in the Ustmille region in Siberia. And then there is one that has to turn... Close to the Dyatlov Passage. Up a mountain. U.S. military They are cut from the inside, they are found without tongue, without eye. And there is a lot of emphasis on that everyone has got hypothermia, or that you get so cold that it rumbles for you. Yes, you get so cold that you feel warm, right?

Yes. And then it clicks a little. Yes, then it clicks. Because there is no sign of a snowfall or anything there. But there is so much more, because the likeness is found in... it is so absurd. Yes, and then they find... there are some blood marks on some trees, and on human hands. And then they find someone there, and then there are some a little further down, the ravines. I remember that we made this episode,, Bjørn Henning was in contact

with this doctor, Jonas Bergland, and asked some medical scientific advice. If they are found in so-called environments in the water there, will there be any animals that eat up something like that? And Jonas could be the answer to that. I mean, I remember. So that was actually the only time in the history of the Conspiracy Board in contact with professional people. Jonas Bergland was used a lot. I used him myself the other day. He is called all day long by other comedians who need a doctor's opinion. I was in contact with him before, in the fall. Because I suddenly noticed that all my shoes were too small. So I asked him if he could walk up a shoe size in his adult age.

And he said no. But the shoes were still too small. So I must have walked up a good shoe size when he was a kid. Yes, but that's very funny because he has a standard bit that goes on that he got a nemesis once. He wanted to get a haircut. So he had gotten in and fucked with the shoe parlor. Fuck, maybe it's the nemesis. And bought exactly the same shoes, but two sizes smaller. Is it maybe me? Maybe it is.

But it is found, but have everyone got hypothermia? Is it the real hypothermia? Have everyone gone crazy at the same time? It is so strange, because it seems that their tents are coming from the inside. There must be several tents. There There are several tents, not just one There must be several tents since there are so many So they have a click for everyone They run from one another But getting that hypothermia, or whatever it's called, is not a one-to-one black and white thing

When you are cold for so long, you get a sound. Everyone gets that. You are not like that. No one can get that. It has been speculated that there has been some kind of infrared sound. They have heard that they have been there, and then it sounds like a snowfall. So they think it's a snowfall. Then they run.

But it's just like that. You just look out and you see that it's's a snow slide, then they run. But in the end it's just looking out and you see it's not a snow slide. But have there also been speculations that there has been some kind of military testing of some weapon or something? Yes, they have deliberately used this area to test some Soviet and Russian weapons. Yes. Yes. Some atomic weapons and such. That there was something like that. Just to be able to fly on the wall and say, Okay, what the hell happened there?

We never know. We never know. And then the case opened a few years ago. And didn't get anywhere. I remember. No, it's... How long are we going to jump here? We're going to start closing.

It has been very nice. I would say it has been very nice. Very, very nice. Just to close with, what would you say, you have been able to dive into the worst people who have ever lived? Top 3 of the worst? As you see it. We have to include a man called Albert Fish. He put a lot of effort into me. It's so fast you do something against... When there are children involved, you get a taste without side dishes. Hello Jim. We are on the edge here.

We are going to hear about the worst people who have lived here. We are on Albert Fish. Albert Fish. And to make it so that they are not... It's Friday and you got an owl here, right? Would you like an owl? Now... If you want it. Should I take it up?

Yes. Yes, sure. Then we'll keep going. Yes, fine. That was so nice. Yes. Johan, tell us more about the first time. There is something fast, something dangerous against children.

Now cannibalism is involved and it's really dangerous. I don't remember everything. But it's maybe the only episode of the World's Worst where I wonder if we almost had to take a little break. Or maybe it's physically uncomfortable. People can take a little break here, can't they? Because I've heard a little about him and what he did. Let me see the notes. I have a little document I can find here. Because I mean, look at Hansa.

Oh, thank you very much. Is it right that he started torturing animals to do this? Yes, they start by biting his feet, his wings and his larvae and such. It's so nasty with the people who are so disgusting and disgusting. Imagine what's going on in the head. That people, in their worst, it's by far the worst we have in the animal world. We can be so indescribably disgusting when there is a little error in the head. What are you doing now, Jim?

I'm sending an email. Sending an email? Yes. Because now both of you are on the phone. I'm on it. I'm on it. He said that he had sexually abused over 100 children. Oh, fuck. But he was sentenced to one kill and a cannibalization of a 10 year old.

Okay, let's move on, because it's so creepy. He's on top of the third one, right? We have a… Like a flying pallet. Yes, he's evil. And this one is evil, but she's more fun. It's Daria Saltikova, who lived in Russia, in a real mansion. And it was like that, the man was out of it, I think.

And instead of getting angry at the man, she gets angry at women. So she kills a lot of servants and just throws and the best kind of Yes, I will see if I can find more than this woman. Yes, because she is a bit old. Yes, very old. It must be a kind of iron that comes in the hair. Because it's funny, she tortures and almost kills only female servants. But Skånes, she has had women. So then she kills women. And it is women who kill. It sounds like I'm a professional here. Many of the women we have had in the podcast are often economically motivated.

They get married with some Ashanik. I don't know anyone who is close to that. And then they get insurance money. So in real life, you should understand that you might not marry them. But men don't understand that, because men are idiots. But this is more of a brutal woman, who is just completely awful. How many did she end up with? That's a good question. She was sentenced to 38 beatings.

And then she had to sit in a cartoon. We were just building a prison cell. And she was in the prison cell, if I remember correctly, and she was spitting on people and throwing shit at people. We get that too. That's what I... Oh, it's Friday. Have you ever heard of Typhus Mary? Never. Of Typhus Mary?

Have you heard of Typhus Mary? Because Typhus Mary, I mean she was patient zero. That she was the first, or among the first, that Typhus had been discovered. And the thing was that she worked in the kitchen with a lot of rich people's families. And she spread this Typhus in the kitchen, so people fell in love with her as a fly, right? And then she made a lot of pie, baked a lot of pie, and in this pie there was a lot of typhus, and then in the end there was someone who started to track it, as you said, anyway. What was typhus? What is it?

I don't remember 100%, it's not good. No. There is a lot of typhus, and then there is an air virus, is it worms and worms? What are we talking about? What is it that is in this pie? Is it bacterial? Or is it just the remains of some old worms? Let's see, let's go. Typhus is a common but misinterpretly term for typhoid fever. That wasn't so good. I'll find another article.

But at least it happened. It was that she jumped from kitchen to kitchen. So when Lisa got the typhus and was done, she found a new kitchen. And then in the end, someone had started to track down Typhus more. But here there were a lot of families who had to beg because you were in the kitchen. And then she sent her into isolation. But she didn't want that.

So she was a little behind at work, so she lied or found... Yes, she got a new name, that's what it was. And then she continued to work in the kitchen, in the kitchen, in the kitchen, and spread this Typhus fever. And took people by the day, typhus mary. Patient Zero. Something like that. It's been so long since we played it, we have a not completely different podcast.

It sounds like something for me. Us? Yes, we can not forget the other podcast. We still live. Yes, she is just a smithy. So crazy she might not be. No, but she is fucking excited to work. I am a fucking gunman. I want to make pie. I want to cook food for people.

If anything, a good hearted lady with Mary. I can just say it quickly. Mary Mallon, born September 23, 1869 in Cookdown, County Tyrone Island, died in 1938, I would say. Also called Typhoid Mary, was the first US to be identified as a symptom-free infectious virus of typhoid fever. In her time as a cock, she infected 53 people, out of three dead. But it is a perfect profession to take people's lives. It's strange that there are so many who do that.

It's the same with nurses. Yes, in the hospital. Yes, right. You are a cook in a big kitchen, and it's just to take a little bit of poison in the straw. And then you take a lot. There were a lot of stories like that. Everyone had a street kitchen in the neighborhood. It was a room, and it was a very sad kebab place. Oh yes.

But I took a lot of kebab. I didn't take a bite of kebab without it. I was a little bit on guard. It was very very sad. It took many years before I managed to get rid of that. But it's a good... I had to take a real good kebab. I had to take a real good kebab. I had to take a back there. It was very very sad. I had to dub for many years before I managed to get rid of that one.

I need you not to burn up. I need you not to burn up. Really bad. I've never been a little sad. Sad again. It's worse than sad of course. But some are in the kebab. But a bit of a cocky old Trafford. In addition to all the opponents that are are now like this, it would have looked like this. Yes, right. We're not going to get into football.

What do we assume? Then I would like to draw out the world's most effective buddell. Now I'm sitting on one side of the table, Jim and Fredrik on the other side, and just serving the world's first These Soviet soldiers weren't that good either. So during the Katyn massacre, as it says here, he killed 7000 people personally. And he cut 250 people every day. And he built his own small place. But those who killed in the Aarhus switch, Gas, is that also a boulder?

Yes, he killed with the shotgun. A manual kill, in a way. Yes, so here people come in, and in the back wall there is a loft, solid, with a skull so that the blood will run out. That's how it should be, a run out. A real story. A real engineering art. He wears it, if I remember correctly, after what I read, a kind of...

Not a kind of... He wears it to the front. Then they are led in... The skin? Skin. We can see that. It must be the skin. It must be the skin. The butcher.

Then they come in, get shot, and they have made a door on the back, so they can just shove the bodies out on a waiting truck. And when you cut 250 per day. Then it's a cold fish. And then you drink vodka continuously. And then he's full. You take it like. You have to assume.

I think he has a kind of drinking game. He takes one sip every time he... or maybe one shot. Every time... it rolls out like a new leaf on the loader. And it is said that in total, and he kills with a neck shot, in total he takes the lives of between 15 and 20 thousand people with neck shots. Could have been fun. Yes, neck shots too. Could have been fun with a kind of morbid, grievous, headmaster-like thing with his drinking habits.

Yes, right? And he survived the war and was full of it. He got some problems after Stalin dies. Because then he becomes a little degraded and becomes an alcoholic. Which he has probably been all the time. And then he dies, obviously, officially, by suicide. But in the personal map it says that it is a heart attack. So it is orderly. They orderly. But you get a bit colored when you do such podcasts.

You know that it's terrible, but a small part of me sees that it's fascinating. Yes, of course it is. It's wrong to say that you let yourself be ignored, but it's just so insane. Yes, and you have no relation to the people who were killed at that time either. No. There have been killed an incredible number of people up there. And I can't, I'm unfortunately or fortunately not exposed to such feelings feelings that I can go and have compassion for the people who were shot in the neck. I just have to be honest. It's a man's word, you hear it now. You can pretend like, oh my god, I have to say this horrible thing, but we will unfortunately talk about the battle in... I don't give a shit about the knucklehead, I killed the bastard over there. I just have to say, I don't have anything... I can't, I can't do this.

But you eventually get like... you lose the feeling that things are bad. Yes, you have to... If you don't do it, you wouldn't have been able to make so many episodes of it either, I think. I can just say that I have taken a break maybe less than five times. I can count on one hand. But it is when it is cooked and eaten. Yes, it is. Because then we start to go over to animal kingdom. Then you are not… There is something inhuman about it.

Then you hear filetieres, parts, take out some invoices, tests, different things. Anabolic. Yes, that's where I notice that I can struggle, and if it's a child. Yes, it has made me, by doing the world's worst, and reading about people who are ugly towards children, then you have made me think that if you are ugly towards children, is death penalty really that bad? No, it's not. Would we have had it if you did something to children? I don't want to go on the train for that. That's the thing. Children and animals, I manage to be influenced by, even if it was many years ago and somewhere else in the world.

Of course. Because then it's more concrete. But if it's only 250 per day, neck shot, yes. Because you can't see how many people there are. But I can't see just one individual. It can be all ages, it can be all gender, it can also be race, good and others. I can't relate to it. I can't. It's completely abstract for me. For all 253, there must have been one that deserved it among them, I think. Yes, certainly. Mine included.

One midwife among 250, per 250 there? Yes, at that time. Yes, at that time. There were many midwives. Yes, several. What else do we have? I was just thinking about a curious thing you have had about Iceman. Victor Lindelöf?

No, not Victor Lindelöf. Is it him who kills for money? Richard Kuklinski? I think so. He kills for mafia. He is good, you know. He is good. Yes. But on HBO, or Max it's called now, there are three different documentaries about Iceman. Oh, it's called Beller.

It's a hidden gem for people who like this. And then there's a reporter who goes into prison and interviews the Iceman and sits in front of him and they film him straight on, so he has the camera on all the time. And then he gets questions like, for example, what did he think about, because he described that he beat up a lot of people on the second floor,

where they used to play poker. He played a lot of poker in the first floor and then he could have lot of people on the second floor. They used to play poker. He played a lot of poker in the first floor, and he could have a guy hanging in the second floor, until he was about to cut him up. And then he said, what do you think about blood? Be a little bit related to blood. And then he said, yes, no, there are worse things, but I don't think it's the best either. And then he told him that one time he took an Old Spice under his nose.

Old Spice on the top of his lip. And then he said that when he was about to start chopping up his legs and arms and stuff, he thought that the mixture of blood and meat and Old Spice was so disgusting that he thought that it was the worst smell that could be found. So he stopped using Old Spice and then he put a price on meat and blood. Smart, he went for something worse. He didn't stop with the partition, he kept going. And then it will be...

That's something he should do. He just had to put on the worst once in a lifetime, so that everything in the future doesn't get as bad as it did. Yes, that was clearly what you were talking about. But then he asked the reporter a number of critical questions, and probably we wanted to irritate him a bit. And then he asked the reporter, the Iceman, Are you irritated now?

He said, yes. Who are you irritated with? Or why are you irritated? Am I said, yes, I am. Who are you irritated with? Why are you irritated? I am irritated with you. What do you want to do with me? I don't remember, it's so close that I mean he says he wants to take him. And that camera, when you zoom in on that Kuklinski, it's some kind of raw madness with the man, where you get scared.

I get scared when I sit at home and watch this. Do we know anything more about who Jack the Ripper is? I don't think so. Is it that one? It's not possible to crack that one. Wasn't there any new research on that? Some kind of JFK files? Something like that. I don't know.

That's probably the other term for possible There was a documentary on Netflix that wasn't that old. But I saw it, it was his, but then suddenly there are other documentaries that say that it's not his idea at all. It's impossible. That's why I can't watch the Michael Jackson documentary, because I don't want to know. I've seen it and I never want to forget it. I never want to forget it. I never want never forget you. I can say that you have written... We talked about this at home.

Prank our kids. We played a song for them and said that it was written by dad. Oh, really? Yes, really. It's great that we are going to Landing. It's been a really nice conversation, Vegard. It has been very nice to be here. I had to rest a bit because I was out a bit yesterday.

But it was a very nice, interesting and fun conversation. Jim, you came in and helped out. Yes, say the word. There have been a few nice men there and a few... A few... a few... a few... a few... ... a few people. So cock that was smiting people. So I think people have put a price on that. It was just OK mother.

I will tell you why I came with beer today. I got DM, I think it was on Instagram. At least I got DM. Where a guy said, don't destroy the flat set by taking in the fucking balls. I don't want the flat set must include the damn balls. No. Is it okay that flat sets eat balls? It's okay that I die early. So I thought I would take beer instead.

Beer is... If I talk about a man who puts a price on the podcast and doesn't want me to die of a blood pressure, for example, beer is not a better alternative. Then you get gold, red and water. Yes, celery, thyme. But beer at least gives a little life to the grotto. It should always be alcoholic in this podcast. It always gets a little better. It gets a little better after beer. There is something about the first sip. Something happens with it.

It's so good. The sound. Okay, you. With that, I still wish you a really good Friday. To you who are listening on Friday, thank you for listening and saying sometimes. And again, it will be more... We filmed it last time, we don't film it now. There will be some filming sometimes, some content and those things. And then there will be more advertising, because I don't get enough credit for hating advertising, so I will be punished very badly for that. I regret not getting any more credit.

And thank you. Yes, because now there will be a lot. There will be more. There won't be everything. Yes, there will be a lot. No, there won't be much. There will be. A little. You, we'll talk. Bye, and thanks to Fredrik Sjåstadnes, the man behind the conspiracy,

the world's worst book, 25 conspiracies you can talk about with Svigesjål. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes We have given out three books now. What are we? First there are 25 conspiracies to talk about during lunch. Different settings, different conspiracies. Lunch and then there is Svigors and then there is the death penalty. The death penalty? Yes. You are talking about it on the death penalty? 25 conspiracies to talk about it on deathbeds? Or to someone?

No, 25 conspiracies to talk about on deathbeds. To someone? To the owner? To someone. Or if you… To someone who is ready to die, you mean? Yes, or if you are ready to die and need to talk about it, they can go ahead. But why 25? I don't know. Okay, Jim Constantobel Grigorius Fossheim, thank you. Cheers, boys. Cheers.

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you. Have a good one. Bye. The the the the

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