Fladseth - #234 - Mìmir Kristjánsson

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

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With Svea on the team, it's easier and faster to succeed. Get better liquidity, fix the economy or collect your loans. Svea, we encourage people and companies to change and create financial room for action. I promised a small talk with me and your ears before we let in the guest of the day, the political redhead, Christian Son. This will be... I'm taking 50% off this summer. I'm taking a small vacation, but I'm not going to go out a whole summer without a single podcast. I will not broadcast every other week. So next week there will be no podcast, but the week after there will be a podcast,

and then it will be free and then there will be a podcast. You understand the point. So if you don't find a podcast next week, don't doubt. It won't be so long next time, but I'll just let it be for a week from now. We let in the Savang man, the Iceland man, the Norwegian man, the Red man and a beautiful guy, Mimie Kristiansson for a chat. Mimie Kristiansson has taken the tour, walked the path, his legs down over the Løvebak, is that what it's called? That's what I think it is. What is, to start off, easy work, what is, why is there such a passion for exotic

cats and animals in this country? What's going on? I actually don't know the explanation for that myself, but it's completely meaningless. It has to be, so the lion has become, The lion has become the king of animals in Europe. In Europe? Yes, the lions have been the lions, and they all have three lions on their shirt. But there has never been a lion up here. It's childish, cool animal.

It's cool, yes, it's actually. And it's kind of strange, because I understand that Icelanders had a period with three dried fish on it. It's a bit humble, but you have ice bears, and whales and a damn exciting animal. There's a lion. No, but why not? But it depends. When Norway became independent and got the king, they wanted to be like Denmark and Sweden, to be a real country.

So it's a less world complex. So they chose lions. But apart from big things, there are two lions, made of granite from gray-red. That's the only thing I know about them, because it was black granite before. And when you go up the main entrance, or the front, you go up the stairs on the lion's back. So the tiger cities in Oslo are a lot of fun. Yes, that's very...

Those are the two I'm interested in. There are always some cities with a cold name, so it's always a bit small. Tromsø, Norden, Paris... It's a bit humorous. It's a bit ironic. I don't know if Tigerstad is humorous, but I think it's Hamstens and Bjørnsens. But it's very strange and incomprehensible for my youth. When I come here, there is a huge tiger outside.

What's wrong with that city? I thought about... past you here today, and there are coaches down there, so I drive past you or walk past you often. I thought like this, now they have actually done it, because they have escalated, but generally, when there is a full traffic around Amazade,

why not just move Amazade? Now, how many people are working in the embassy? Now we work for a few weeks in a flat in Gror. But also why the embassies have to be in the city. The Americans have finally understood that the American embassy is right on the other side of the castle, a very nice camp, and they have moved out of the city. I have been on a lot of demonstrations against the American embassy, but the demonstration is so fast,

that as far as I know, there will be no more demonstrations outside the American embassy, because we have to go out to the city of houses and other things. So if you had put the Israeli embassy in the Kessmo and the Korses, it could have been a little less control, but it is a kind of principle that they should be chased out of the city. But... Something to order your old gang, if you want to have something to eat, you have to take a bus ride up there.

Take a bus ride up there, I agree. But it's true, it's something that makes... I can't remember for a long time that someone has allowed a demonstration outside of the American army, and it happens all the time before. So it's something that shouldn't be missed before some of the sofa radicals fall off. Would you say that... Is it a bit of a damage-prone red, nowadays, when you get to... Red has always had a clear position when it comes to NATO, more or less anti-American, then you see how worn out it is. As you saw, as you have seen several times throughout history, that suddenly things can turn.

The old alliance breaks up and suddenly the old... USA, suddenly USA is super fascist and is the new Nazi Germany. It can happen fast or it can happen. Yes, yes, I think things are scary, but it's not more than a few years ago. It was so shitty to be against NATO, the dumbest thing. And everything that was the Americans, and we have to be on the same page with the Americans, and all the Norwegian politicians have to get as close as possible to the Americans. And then comes Trump 2-0, and now it's all about how to handle that problem.

And it's a bit strange, because we've had that NATO standpoint, and it's been very unpopular for many periods, and it's probably not very popular yet. But we have to keep our mouths shut for that. But the big parties, the higher-ups, they never have to be on TV complaining, they want to complain that you are proud of the whole of USA. So it's a bit harmful, but it's also the irritation of letting go of it. I feel very proud of Opsomar, who does this very well in his own person. He is the Norwegian politician who is best friends with Trump.

He is still the only one who knows Trump, or Trump knows or knows about him. When you say know, what are we talking about? I think Trump knows what he is, but because he was NATO Secretary General, and when he was NATO Secretary General, he did a lot of what Trump wanted, to pressure the European countries to vote for one another. So he was received in Congress, and held a speech, when we were very proud, and talked about Leif Eriksson and such, who was from Iceland, and not Norway, but another thing. But when it's said, the reason people want to vote against Stoltman is that they are against Trump. So it's an incredibly schizophrenic thing. He is the closest one to Trump. In a way, a friend of Trump. And on the other hand, he is the answer against Trump. But it is possible to understand that it is like that. Just to say… I don't know if… It's a bit simple that you are against Trump, but it doesn't matter much now.

If I try to do a bit of analysis, that we are very afraid that our security will disappear. We try to look at that party in such a way that maybe it has... It's best in foreign policy, which maybe... As they say, a front-line relationship is bigger than an old diplomat, that it creates security among people, and that also has a part in ending the Euro. Think of me as a politician. I think many people think it's good that I'm in the mix to freshen it up. It could be grey and boring, but I have some new ideas and say... Are you going to Trump?

Yes, but now the world is at war at the door, and then you don't have much advice on how to do it right. I can't really advise it to be good with this, it's not exactly us who are going out, but I think both Liszt and Vedom and a lot of other people who have been in the 10 years, which was 2-3 years ago or 1 year ago, maybe had a lot of that, people were tired of the old, the sad, blah blah blah, and then suddenly this crisis time comes with both Gazza, Ukraine and Trump and everything. And then people start to think that we have to appreciate what we have. And then the truth is that a lot of Norwegians are actually in their hearts, God knows in a way a little bit, are working on the elections. That is the party that people in Norway have voted for.

That is the big party for many years, incredibly many of them within that party at a certain point in time. And then it's like, I want more environment, so I vote for MDG, and then I want less immigration, so I vote for FRP, and then I want more district and so on. But within itself, the work against it is like glue between all of this. All the other parties often define themselves against the work against it. But I see Rotterdam as a new work party, the same goes for the FRB. And the right one, for example, has said that for a while. So everyone tries to be what they were, because that's what is a big party.

But that also means that when things like this happen, and you go back to what the default people have in mind, what is safe, what is no expander, And you also want to have the people who... I have to say that sending a big one to a meeting house in Kløft can be very strange. But sending a big one to a top meeting in the EU is much more strange if you send me one. So in a way, it's something with where you want to have those people. You want to have them out in the world. In many ways it was very difficult to see Støre and Stoltme sit with Trump.

Because no matter who comes into that room, you get slapped on the head like a boy. And we get very puppet-like. As earlier, you want security. If you go into obsession with Trump, you know how he is, and that's dangerous for us. The person that everyone wants to find, but doesn't exist, is Hugh Grant in Love Actually. That there should be someone who says in one of the press conferences, No, listen here, shut up, this is just a joke, you are an idiot. But Trump is not only unstable, but he is also small and stubborn. Such things, human relations, and I think that's what Stoltman got,

that's why I think he is a short-term for Trump. He likes him, and you have to smear him and such things. And it's really disgusting to look at. And it's like everyone is sitting in a way, dressed as a sucker for a ball. Most people from other countries mean that they are a scourge. But at the same time it costs a lot to sit and smile. We do it on a decent dinner in Norway. It's not like we come, if I'm not against the king's name,

if you come as a Republican and on a castle dinner at Storting, it's not like you don't deserve the king. You are like their majesty, and people are nice in all official gatherings. And then you have to adapt to the style that is, like in Japan and Iran, Iran and in the White House right now. You have to... ...suck up to Trump. You have to brush your hair.

You do it in family dinners and everywhere. You don't have the energy to... Diplomacy is often a trick. Yes, but Trump is also... I have always had problems with understanding myself... Well, everyone has that. But understanding Trump and my own reactions about him. I mean, if you've heard Oral B, the banger about Trump, he has his own song about Trump. But then he suddenly calms me down and hates me.

And I have to admit, unfortunately, that this is also my attitude. Because Trump as a showman, it's so much fat, and at the same time this three-dimensional world is going under now. He's coming to It's complicated, but that's why he has such a big appeal. You're sitting and enjoying it a bit too, when you see the show and the showwits. Yes, yes. I read a column by the NLK correspondent Anders Magnus, he wrote a column, I think it came out yesterday, which I thought was very interesting to read. and he talks about how the Western press is avoiding and telling a lot of... or showing a lot of narratives. So you want to make a positive picture of the fight against climate change, with immigration and Ukraine and Russia. So when you don't show everything, you create more of an environment in these echo chambers and these counterweights

to what we want, to be free and society and freedom of expression and all that. I think that's very important. I've been to the US, I'm not going to be an expert, but I was in the US last August, and I was on some Trump events, and I have been on a Trump rally once, which was crazy. And when I talked to those people, it hit me when I met us, but they are like the trailer drivers, fuel is too expensive and so on. And then he suddenly says, he doesn't think Trump is a nice guy, but he agrees with him politically and so on. And it has been in the beginning, maybe less than now, a will to idiotically explain

the Trump people and Trump, and that everything they do is just a joke. Now they are doing some pretty scary things against these illegal immigrants, but these are people who have been in the US for 10 years and have done a lot of shit jobs, so they are in the highest degree of legal immigrants even though it is illegal. But it is clear that now many Americans are against that there should be such a big inflow of cheap labor force like Mexico,

there are some reasons for that. And that's exactly why it's so sceptical that there's free movement of labor force from Eastern Europe into Norwegian construction sites. But that doesn't mean that it's right, it's just that if you are like, if everything is just about being all that is wrong with me, the idiots, and they haven't understood anything, then you are struggling. and the power stuff that has been going on. Often it starts with Wolfgang W. Because it is a space that covers a lot of what is not covered. Now more and more people realize that. And that is a natural consequence of things being covered one-sidedly.

Because you want to continue supporting Ukraine, because that is very good for us, and we are pro-Ukrainians. We support Ukraine, there is no doubt about that, but if you don't cover everything, you create... Then you sit and look at it, is there something that is not being told? There is things open. The alternative rooms, as Wolfgang and I have been, are open because people don't find answers to things they are wondering about, or what they are looking for elsewhere. So it is the established media that make the alternative media. Just as populism arises because some are tired of the elite, it is something the elite do something else and and people get angry. But Ukraine is a really good example, because I am, just to say it so everyone understands, for weapon support to Ukraine,

and very disagreeable with Glenn Deeson and the people. But the climate in the Ukraine debate is really bad. You shouldn't say a lot of dirty words there, before you can be suspected by one or the other. And then in addition there is something that in a way... What goes over each other is a very logical moral standpoint with the Heibu-credits, as you say, Putin and Skurkun. It goes over the journalistic cover or the fact of the description of what is happening. And Elmørk has had thisk has had this for a long time.

Who was it that blew up the North Stream? I have been a fucking fan of him. But he has just got the right idea. Most people don't agree that the Russians are not there. And that they might even have a bond with Ukraine. Without me being an expert on that. But it was read out and known that in Norwegian newspapers, Dagein, this is what happened.

And if you asked the question, you were an idiot. Another topic is pandemic management. I'm not a vaccine critic, but if you sat during the pandemic and were against the infection, you were labeled as the worst fool in the world. Do you want people to die? It was incredibly difficult in the outer world. Yes, and when we do that, every time a voice comes and talks to you, and just blows something, it explodes like an atomic bomb. And then you see Sigrid Brattli, a well-known, smart lady, has d deep into this, and she's struggling like hell. I've heard what she says, I feel she's going very calmly, thinking about everything around this.

It's dangerous. And then there is a limit, right? Because without me going into detail on the philosophy of Glenn Deeson or on that other thing, or on vaccine stuff, at some point you move over to what is, how can you say, just wrong, factual wrong. That is something about the vaccine criticism, for example, or something that is conspiracy theory and such. But there are always people who have conspiracy theories. You never get rid of it. The question is why have suddenly 20% of the population started to get positive conspiracy theories? And then you have to look at yourself in the mirror a little more, because you have never lacked people with scientific connections,

or people who have not believed in medical research or part of it. But now this is getting such a big appeal, it's because some of the infection prevention measures around Corona proved to be wrong. There was no scientific reason to close schools. The authorities cleared up there and there. This was wrong. We were actually not lied to, but a little bit behind the lights.

And there are good reasons why they did it, but people sit down and many feel confused. And then it is much easier to come as a hard-core vaccine skeptic and say, do you also want to hear some lies they tell you? Because then you have already been fooled once. So that's what you have to understand, that if you start a little well-meaning lying in the small, so that people will behave as you want, then you increase the possibility of... You are more above the difference between truth and untruth.

I put a lot in being a balanced type, who wants to see a bit from both sides, or likes to read me up on both sides of the debate, etc. And then it is very frustrating to see that not everything is open. That we do not talk freely, and that things are being pushed down on the other side. And what irritates me a lot is to hear people say, Trump has against the other, I don't like Trump in any way, and I feel more in agreement with democratic values than republican values. That's what most people have said.

Blah blah blah. But when you just don't have to go against Trump, and he's so dangerous and so damn bad, and without being critical of what the Democrats have been doing for many years, So there is a reason that Trump is still there. Just look at the Biden thing, how it was kept secret, where he was. Yes, first of all, the Biden thing is a very good example. With Trump, it is given an impression that he almost invented the politician was lying. But Bush administration was lying about Iraq having a mass lie to bomb a country back to the stone age. It took lives of 100 000 people. Much worse than Trump has done here. And it was based on a lie. And Biden lied, the new book documenting it, lied to many central people in the US lied about the president not being the health assistant to lead the country. But that was what suited them politically, so they lied about it,

kept quiet, staged, performed and so on. And this is just... Trump is of course, he takes much longer than everyone else, and he does with the lie in Norway. But Trump became popular because he, it sounds so weird, but he was honest about the fact that he lied. When Trump lies, people don't believe Trump himself, and most people understand that it's an element of the lie in it. And that was only possible because the US politics was already infected by the lies of both the Republican and Democratic parties. So I agree with that. It's so difficult to understand politics in the US, I think, because Norway and the US are quite far away from each other politically. They don't have a proper welfare state. You don't have FRP's, which is almost before American politics.

So that's very far away. They are a completely different country, a big country, and they have a lot of wars. And there are many things that are completely different. And then you have Trump who is going even further. But that Norwegian media, I think they have struggled all the time, and probably tried as hard as they could, to understand Trump. And then you have this fear, and you hear about us in the course of this conversation, how many times we have to ensure listeners that we are against Trump, or that we can smoke in or such things.

Because you have this fear that even if you don't morally or even signalize what you mean, everything goes to hell. But in Norway you have to be so sure that most people don't want Trump politics. I think that you can try to understand what he is doing without having to dig into what is wrong. We can agree that it is very important with the press and all that, but it is a bit problematic when editorial-led media go in and say that they can't... as Anders Magnus wrote, that angle is not quite right for the narrative we want to create here. It's a huge problem. Yes, I mean that the main problem with that break- the editorial board and the press is that it makes it a lot easier for all kinds of politicians and...

And if the media once thought that they would get a hundred times more following on social media than I had, then they come to a level where my personal followers, direct information from me, only they get what suits me, is bigger than the followers of a medium. That's dangerous. So then all politicians have their own groups and everything. But the problem is that the crisis in the media's order is not created by the alternative media. The media has stood up for themselves.

And I just... This is like me, this is a little phantom pain, as it's called, when you have pain in a leg you have lost, or in the middle, at least, never had. But I just remember that I had let myself be fooled by thinking that Hillary Clinton would beat Trump. It had to be like that. And that's not it, it had actually been for me for many years. Who is Harry, then? And if it wasn't for that, it would have been for me for many years. Kamala Harris too? Yes, Kamala Harris too. But I would have been so happy to be jaded a bit, and now I'm so good.

But if it wasn't for that, you get problems with relying on anything that is in the media about what is happening in the US. Because the moment you start with that expression, and then a lot of good things are done in the editorial media, and they have taken a lot of rounds on it, but it is a very clear experience that the media becomes more, how should one say, normative, to use that word, that a good part of the cover, even if it comes out, is like we write what we think should be right, that you should have a side against Trump, for example, that's just the right thing to do. And the worst of all is that I'm unsure if you're against Trump, and I assume that I am, for me at least, then are you sure that's the way you should go about it?

Are you sure that's what solves it? That if in a way they use the terms he used, the liberal elite in the US, if they just put it in the people's mouth, how damn he is, then I would probably come up with better ideas. The problem is that this method has proved to not work. He has been a fan of Trump since last year, and has not made any impression. So then you have to find something else to put it on.

You have to find something else to put the movement on, than just to ponder on the same thing. Yes, it's just that in any case... I was not physically at a rally, but I sat and watched a lot, at least parts of it, on YouTube, and I was so amazed by it. Totally crazy! But I also watched the Harry's Walls campaign, and those damn replaying speeches, the same speeches every time, that little Walls who came there and was supposed to be so happy.

It was such an incredible theatre. I have directed and staged everything. and was so happy. It was such an incredible theatre. And the director was there. And it is a huge point that Harris didn't stand up in one interview, because she had to have her points of speech. And it was completely different from each other. And this is very rare. Trump, who is the master of lies, and who tells so many things that are just direct untruths, and who have been f*** fucked up all the time,

he appears at the same time as a fucking authentic guy. He's a guy you think says exactly what he falls into in the ocean all the time. And that you have seen him on a rally and heard him speak, because you spoke to him for almost two hours, it's crazy. But from the other side, there was a lot of unsuitable gibberish, but that's how it is when you speak without talking for two hours. It becomes like that. Right? I think the point is, if you want to

fight fascism again, or take it by storm this time, then you have to... I think I'm afraid that we'll be under-booked if we don't open the other side. If we don't do that, because there is something anti-democratic about it. Yes, there is. And you shouldn't be so scared. Because you can't save democracy and abolish democracy. If the goal is to save democracy, you have to follow the rules of the game in democracy.

And it's both the honesty and openness about some things, but you also have to understand that there are underlying problems, the solution can be wrong, the rhetoric can be wrong, but there are real underlying problems. The Americans have had real estate for 50 years, and they are very angry. There are a lot of things that have gone wrong. Democrats have also been involved in sending hundreds of thousands of Americans out into the world for meaningless wars. A lot of people have traumas about it. And of course they are pissed off about it. And then there are some who think that Norway sounds good, and that can be from right and left and one with the other. But if you are trying to stop it, you have to understand that you have to take it by the root.

And in the middle of the war, and everyone is related to Hitler, it's a very good example. It wasn't like Hitler was the first right-wing extremist in Germany, it has always been in the current. But they became really popular among people when unemployment began to rise. Because then people were out there with an explanation, and they were angry with the other parties, and they wanted some sins, and Hitler, and they were good at delivering just that. And then they said, you saw how it happened, so it's completely gruesome, and it doesn't mean it's good. But if you just say that people should take care of themselves, stop being angry because they have it bad, or stop being afraid of the future, and just say that everyone should… And then there are the very rich Democrats who have got…

We talk a lot about Moscow, but Kamala Harris got three times more money than Trump got in his campaign from very rich people. So the rich people in the US are saying, now we all have to call for democracy together. You and I are in the same boat. I am a billionaire and you live on minimum wage. But we have to stand shoulder to shoulder in the fight against Trump and fascism. And that is not very easy to do. I can't quite see what the rich democrats are doing. I think they want something for themselves here, not just against fascism.

What do they get from the Democrats? They believe in free trade, for example. For the first time, that it's almost impossible to get rich people to give money directly to their own interests. The condition for them to give money to the Democrats is that they know that the Democrats don't do a lot of tax cuts for the rich. Because you will never find someone who does that. But as long as that is the off the table, and no one does it in the US anyway, then there may be different opinions on what's wrong. But I think the 12 things have a lot to say. And you saw that when Trump started with the 12 things,

it was when it started to crack with Moscow, because Moscow started to lose money. And then it was suddenly very difficult to win. So then the bromance had been a bit over. And many things are to blame, but it is also to blame that the 12 politics was not so good for him. We were talking about how things can quickly be aligned and be more beautiful. Our allies can be better. Then you look at Germany, which has a very bad history with what they are doing. They have been denied to have a military or military power for a long time now, until now. Now they will be re-enacted as we have understood.

And right now, we are in Germany, our friends and our hearts, and I don't say that it will change, but you see something similar in a way, there is a lot of immigration enmity, so it is easy to get a common enemy image from the inside, and you have a stronger outer right with ADEF, which also gets help and support from the sitting government you mentioned. So it seems like it is happening.

Yes, it is. And Germany is very... Because they have so much... It is impossible to talk about Germany and these things without being a Hitler debate, just as it is. But it is clear that on the one hand they are also being kept as the European rescue, in a way. It is those who are going to stand up against the Russians, and it is those who are going to stand up against the Americans too, and it is those who are going to build up military, and Europe has its own military, and it is those who are going to do all that. But Germany is also just a few reasons why they are suddenly controlled by some Trump-like guy, who is even worse and has a red and red connection to the actual nazism.

But the strangest thing about Germany, I think, is that Germany, what they learned from the Second World War, is that they have to be careful with the expressionist attitude. I think that's so weird. You can see it in several areas, they go to AFD. And it is an old Nazi flag, so it has a very nasty context in Germany. But the Norwegian king's motto is also, everything for Norway. So in a way it is a bit like... And I don't think it is true, but it is not only AFD. It is also all the Palestinian protesters in Germany, are almost rightfully followed. You can't walk with a Palestinian flag on the street without getting a reaction. And that was a period that was forbidden with Palestinian flags in Berlin during demonstrations.

So the police are very angry all the time with the crime they think is hate crime. For us, the idea is good to prevent Hitler from growing up. And many Norwegians can sit and say it's probably good that they go after the West. And a lot of them on the left side can think that. But it's exactly the same logic that makes them go after the Palestinians and the other way around. Because they think they are Jewish enemies and stand for this and that.

And that is something that most Norwegians agree on, or mean, or mean that Israel must strengthen itself and these things. So Germany is a very strange country. I realized it more than the last years, that they have a very different attitude towards freedom of speech. And in a way, the experience they have with Hitler, I would believe that made them very far ahead of freedom of speech, because the Nazis were bribing all the other parties,

and made a damn dictatorship. But for some reason, the lesson has been that because Hitler got too much freedom, it's important that we don't let other extremists get their way. And they have gotten a strange view of it. There's something I noticed. After two occasions, I've been getting a lot of punches in my face. With German accent. There was a lady, a good friend of mine. We were supposed to have a party and dinner, and she was going to get famous.

Pretty early in the evening, she made a little joke, and she said, ''You're blaming us for Hitler?'' And she said, ''It's so weird, it's so weird!'' And I never talked to her again, we weren't together today. But it was like that. She couldn't understand that. It was incredibly inappropriate of her. And then I was at Bali once, and then it was evening. And then I started talking about something.

It was like we were talking about something. We have... It's very easy for us to joke around with hit and nazi. It's a zero problem. And feel a bit of the day, and occupy us for five years, It's very easy to joke around with Hitman and Nasin. No problem. And we feel a bit right on the day. Occupied with us for 5 years, we have a bit of love and I'm joking with them. That's where I was a bit.

Oh damn, there was a fight. I think many people have a meeting with Germans. I've met them every night on the internet or on the back page and everything. Have that... Have that thing where you want to talk about it like Tourette's. You're like Hitler, Hitler, Hitler, Hitler. And that's how you have to keep it in mind. I had a story once, I think I was in Germany, I was on some interleague stuff and I was at a disco and I was talking to some girls and I was trying to check them out and she said to one of the ladies, where are you from? And I said, I'm from Norway.

She said, Norway, that's the worst country in the world. And it was so shocking that I was like, why? And then she said, I really hate what you people did to the whales. I mean, to the whales, which is terrible. And then, of course, Holvind was a bit full of jokes and irritated, of course, because he was being criticized by the Germans about Norway is the worst country in the world. So I really hate what you people did to the Jews. And then we actually let go of our

And it's kind of wrong to joke and it's not us who have gone out and been direct to say it like that. But I think it's a real feeling that many nomads have, that it's a bit difficult to have a social interaction with Germans. And they are not the biggest humorous people in the world either. German culture is not characterized by a very... You have many stand-up scenes in Germany. It's not so ironic, that those things have been introduced as slapstick when it's pretty big in Germany. But I'm not a German expert, but this is my prejudice against Germany. It's a damn hard time for them.

It's a good part that was against the regime, and it's hard to talk against it. But there are a lot of people who were, to a large extent, brainwashed and tortured, and were driven behind the lights. And when I was in Ullevål, and saw Norway beat Italy, and the nationalism and the romantic around it, and the king is sitting there and we sing for all Norway and such, that's how they felt. They had their hands up, and it was top notch. Norway is actually a very nationalist country. Because you have a question like, do you think your culture is better than others? And I think Norway is almost at the top in Europe.

I wonder if it's a kind of Norway-Russia-Serbia question. But Sweden is of course incredibly white-guilt, so they are incredibly on the bottom in that. No, our culture is not better at all. There is a big difference with Norway, so I don't like it that much. But Norway has not since Viking been some kind of colonial power. And Norway has not...

Norway is driving with Equinor down in the rainforest during the war in Afghanistan and such. But the Norwegian nationalism has mainly been about that Norway should be free from other countries, against the Danes, Swedes, Germans and the war. So it has a bit of other roots, but I think a lot of people from other European countries would react to how much flag waving is in Norway,

and how much nor-nor-nor-nor-nationally waving is when it's national holidays, because it's quite a Norwegian-Norwegian-Norwegian-Seminar, when it's so national and high-level, because it's quite a heavy effort. Should we go into some tax policy, or? It could be. Now it's... I don't know, I feel that there is so much focus on the form of tax. And there will be more talk the form of the tax. And it will be against the election more talk about it. And I feel it's not that difficult but it feels more complicated

than it is. Because it's so hard front there. And I think it's really just a question of value that you have people who have a lot of money or ambitions to get a lot of money, wish in a way not to be lost because the money, you don't want to be lost for the money,

you have to be right about it, and then you have the rest, who just want to be normal, and who have normal jobs too. And there... Can we first go through the actual conditions? What does the form tax go on? Can you take it quickly?

Yes, if you have the form over a certain amount you have a form of 1.7 million, you start paying tax every year. And it can be 1.1% of the time. Maybe the numbers are wrong, but that's the basic gist of it. And the most important thing on the left is that it is the tax that the richest people pay. They can often go many years without income, but they have big forms. And then they pay tens of millions of their billions of euros each year in taxes. While what is important to keep in mind, or what they always talk about, is that all those who have a small company and those who are lower on the scale.

And then you are afraid that you will lose money, because you have to get the money out, so you sit there like a son screwing the money bin, and then you have to get the money out. But the reason that it gets so complicated to get the tax is because it is the only real tax policy that separates the AP and the right. So they are both interested, they have the most possible guess the form tax, because that in a way gets the mood. Because the AP is no longer a tax haven, and they are not getting national property tax, and they have a tax, because they do not care about how the company tax should be, so it is the form tax, and everything is put on it. But it is also a very high tax of other reasons. Many countries had it before.

They removed it, because they were afraid that the kingdom would move, as they do, when they don't like a country. But there are many now, among other things, an international initiative to get back the form tax, because now you have seen that there has been a bad race against the bond. But the form tax is a tax for the form to be smaller, that's the point. You have a big form, that has to be balanced, we take some of that form and use it for other things. Yes, and I don't think that rich people love it, but they can't argue that it's okay to reduce inequality, that everyone should get some of the money. Especially when you have become rich on Norwegian natural resources and so on. But it is this with start-ups

and foundation and business, and that it is difficult to be, in a way, talented in Norwegian business life, and that we struggle in tech, for example, and all that, because of the tax cuts, I think you are more involved than that. And then I think, how difficult, for fuck's sake, one thing is forms, that we don't have dynasties and so on, but how difficult can it be to come up with a kind of comparison, so that they don't suffer under tax policy? No, well, first of all, I have to say that the problems with the form tax are excessive, and every time someone is going to research it, they find that there are no problems. It's a bit difficult, because you have to trust what people say, it's difficult for me with a company like that, we do it as time all those who have it hard have a very clear economic interest in getting rid of that tax.

But scientists think it's not that hard. But what I agree with you is that if it's like that, the problem is that startups and people who run small companies and such, they shouldn't have to pay a form tax. But it's okay for the rich to pay a form tax. They are really rich. If that's the case, it shouldn't be difficult to make a profit. And there are many things that have been discussed. One that is even red for is to increase the bottom line. How far up do you have to go before you start paying the debt. Another thing is that you can do it more progressively, and you can increase the debt on the biggest bonds and lower it on the smallest ones.

And then there are some of those tech problems, I don't know if I have them very often, but I don't know how real they is, but theoretically it is like that. You can get a company that is evaluated very high on the stock exchange. It takes many years to earn money. Some of the tech giants have been billionaires for years, and there is no cash flow. And then you have to start selling everything. And that goes cold. No, first of all, the reality is that if you don't have the advice to own your house, you have to sell your house. If you can't afford to pay the rent. But the point is that it has to go on, I mean, to make different variants of it. One such variant is to put out... You have to say that when you start filming, you can get 5 years before you start paying the rent. Then you have some time for that. But if you haven't started making money in 5 years, you might find something else.

Another suggestion that came from a founder in Oda, who became very big and who still doesn't do well with the home-sales stuff. The cost-money. Yes, he suggests that you can pay the tax in shares, so that you can share it with the employees. But that means that the value of the shares that you fold up and down, is not that important. But I think the foundation is, as you said,

a kind of value question, because many of these technical things can be solved. But what makes the right and the left agree on this is that the right and the left believe that all the rich money is their own money, their own hard work and hard work. While the left-wing thinks that the money is the result of others' hard work. But that's not so unfair to take some of the money. Or to say that you might not own the whole company.

In a way, the ownership has to be distributed among the majority. But then the right wants to say that you steal their ownership and they have to create power and everything. And if you first think that the right is in the bond, these values I have created, then I am in a completely agree with that it is a very provocative. It can be completely agreeable, but I am a little bit against that. But I think it should be possible. But my tip is that the reason for that is not itself. It is that those who pay the campaigns against the form tax are not the founders.

That is Steinar Hagen. And he doesn't give a shit about the founders. So when you make a because they are the ones who pay for their own bills. They are not the founders, they are the millionaires. And they are not... Yes, they are probably also the founders, but they are the first ones who are the founders themselves, which is legit, but... That's how many of us are who are the founders of our own loan book. That's why it's hard to find a relationship,

because everything you push from the founders in front of you, their problems can be real. I'm not saying that, and I'm open to all suggestions that can solve this problem. But when it comes to the last seven, it will be difficult for the billionaires to agree on a basis. And with that it will be difficult for the higher-ups, and with that it is equally difficult. Are you dependent on increasing the tax on those who are in big forms to help the foundation? No, the state of Norway has more than enough money to support this anyway,

but what is important for the left to see, and for you to agree with Norway, my point with the tax is not that the state needs the money so much, it is that I think that the are too rich, the richest, and that a goal for the economy is to take money from the same debt. When you are ahead of that, as I said, if you have a lot of money, it's not really the first time, because the state needs a couple of billion extra to cover the security budget. Because most of the money, they often forget about the rich, but the most of the tax money in Norway, and this with good, good, good margins,

they are paid by me and you, and ordinary people with ordinary wages. It is those who pay almost all taxes. The mumps you pay when you buy something, 25% is like the excess tax on the form tax, so enormously. So it is right that the state manages without form tax, but the ability can do without the tax? I think and hope that it will be possible to find... I think it is sad if we... If we should... As many claim that the talents, the talents, either the refugee countries or the, and that we continue to be a country that lives off oil and natural resources, and that we can maintain the wealth we have had, if we don't go over to get more... I mean, we work in tech and those things, and more in the business sector.

Yes, well... First of all, I... I mean, people don't move to Switzerland. But I agree that talent is primarily about moving. It's the heritage that is being moved by their parents to Switzerland. And when Røkke moves to Switzerland, just so people understand what it is, it doesn't mean that he lives in Switzerland. He has a postal address in Switzerland.

And all the businessmen in Røkke, absolutely Norway, absolutely all businessmen in Norway, are Norwegian. So he hasn't moved anywhere else. And now he has bought a bunch of train stuff, then he's in Norway, because it's so damn cheap to own it. So the point is that some start in Switzerland and are more like that. But in general, Norway is a good country to run your business in, but it's not that cheap to be to be registered in when you're rich. That's the point. But when you say that about oil, it's obvious that it's not something that any of us are prepared for. But we see a little effect from that now, that we're not as rich as countries that we were for 5 years ago. We often have a crown exchange and such things. But also, for example, that there are much less Polish workers, because Poland has taken a lot of money from Norway, so it is not so lucrative to come to Norway.

And that golden age that was so mega oil-financed, super high oil prices, everything grew in the sky, I don't think it can last forever. But then Norway will not be poorer than Denmark and Sweden, I think. And Norway still has many good advantages. Because there are some eternal natural resources, fish and power and such. But also very highly competent people. And that is what is the Norwegian success model and the Nordic eye.

That ordinary people in Norway are not as stupid as normal people in other countries. Or in a less chauvinistic way, they have a higher bond in terms of competence, education, degree, those kinds of things. But in the US, like the countries of the different countries, the smartest in the US are a lot smarter than the smart ones in Norway, I remember in a way. But the same way the US workers might not have the same degree or education or security or that kind of thing. So I'm not so afraid of brain flight. No, it's actually not that worrying. And it's not that Norway can live on natural resources forever. It's not so...

Or just a continuation, or this balloon and Fredrik Hauge thing, with the C02 prison and going to drive it out and down the river in some stuff. I've got a lot of attention with that last one. And a lot of wind in that industry as well. Sure, sure. But that's in a way... You work... What can I say... Is that a Norwegian

start-up in a way? Yes, and when we think about start-up, we think of apps. Someone has made an app, or tech. But Norway has a pretty big technology industry connected to oil, and it's all about pipes, cable producers, which is a lot of industry, but also a lot of oil software, which is a big deal. So the clinging around, the thing that arises around the natural resources are pretty big. And in a way, they are more high-tech,

and able to capture and bury CO2 under the sea in the North Sea than to develop Spotify. It is even more high-tech, the first thing. But we think so, it is a bit typical when we think of tech, then it is that image of the boys at a control room throwing balls and such. And it is important, and big companies are involved in that, but the Norwegian oil industry, the power industry, the production industry and stuff like that, is driven by a lot of technological development.

A lot of IT and a lot of stuff around it. But to say that we had, quite hypothetically, got, because the conditions allowed allowed to fix it, so we just banked in in Norway, Spotify, Meta. How much money does AS Norway get from that thing? That is a damn good question, because it depends on the tax policy. Amazon is used as an example in the US, but it has also not paid a dollar in tax in the US. That is the biggest company in the world. Google is not establishing itself in Ireland, because they have cheap tax conditions.

Iran is probably getting something out of this, but it is the Americans, the Norwegians or everyone else who actually have a lot of Google activity, but not for a tax reason. What they lose together is much bigger than what Ireland gets from Google, and then Google cuts it. So if you have a decent tax policy, you would have been king to sell or Spotify. But if what is required to sell and Spotify to Norway is that you should not take any tax from it. Then you get a couple hundred jobs and something else. And now it's a couple of years since the numbers have changed. But as far as I know, many people are working in hydro on the world's plan than they work in Google.

And many people work in Equinor than they work in Meta. It may have changed since then, almost 10 years ago, when they had the numbers. But the point is that those companies are really bad at the stock market. There aren't that many workers. Always give them something else. Tesla and Apple are a bit different, because they are industrial companies. They produce and do everything. But it's not certain that having a company, people registered, or a mailbox with Meta's address, that they would have had so much to say. But if you had got tax revenues from Meta, you would have had a lot to say.

But that's the balance for all governments. So this kind of tech will lead to that they are big on the stock exchange, and we will have a lot of data power from, and maybe not so many jobs? No, I think that in the Norwegian society, there are quite a lot of people working in Silicon Valley, so if all of that had moved to Norway, then many people in Norway would have worked with it. But Norway is a small country, so you would have said that Norway would be the IT head for the whole world, but no, I don't think there are a lot of jobs in the exit point of that, but Norway is there, and then there is what they call,

it's so damn funny in the political point of view, but they call it the Klinge Effect. To be honest, if you have a big company that starts up, then you have a lot of small startups around, because you want to get there and work there and everything. And Norway has Klinge on a much smaller scale around oil, and around energy and stuff, so that small companies start to innovate and stuff. So you could have gotten, if we had moved to Norway,

you could have gotten something out of it, but as I said, I think it's exaggerated, I think it's a bit over a bubble, the values of that company. I'm trying to be wise with this. I'm sure I'll have a politician who means something completely different here as well. Let's see. But people just do what they want in the end. I'm trying, as I said, to work and manage to take a stand, but it's difficult. But working with all these things is often trying to find out what you are least in agreement with. There are very few things, never the same parties, and very rarely the same things, that you are 100% sure.

This is what I mean, this is right, that the other person feels. So it's always a bit too much of a reaction. When I'm in Big Tech, there's been a lot of talk about how Google doesn't pay taxes in Norway, or that they grow so big that I had a whole… I think 10 years with pictures from my youth, it was torn away from me, because I was hacked, they made an Instagram account and linked it to my Facebook, and then I was banned and blocked, and it was impossible to get them to believe me, so that's it,. Did you start with listening on Facebook? Yes, I had a little bit of a middle age, a little bit of a shit on Facebook actually. And it's a shame that they lost the pictures. Because I didn't take any backup with the one-time camera.

Instagram, my account, I haven't touched yet. But it's a bit the same, it's a shame there's so much there. Maybe we should have a backup. But anyway, it shows how little we have to say here. And those companies, the power they have, I think you can hear and see and mean it, is completely unhealthy. It's not just in Norway that we don't pay taxes, they almost don't pay taxes in Norway. And they ruin other businesses. The reason there is a crisis for news, for radio, for TV, and many other places, and for a lot of other things, is because Google, Facebook, Instagram and everything else, are going out with ads.

And of course if you take the ad revenue from Norwegian media, and they have to pay taxes in Norway, while Google is not paying, then you have a damn good deal for Google and a bad deal for Norwegian media. And then it's almost impossible to start up anything new anymore without being bought by those companies. Once they see a reason, they take control and then it becomes part of their business. And then it's that they have got so much money that they, due to the global nature of this, they don't let themselves be regulated. This is not just about taxes. It's also about Norwegian authorities desperately trying to stop young people from buying soap on Snapchat. It's almost impossible for the Norwegian government to get in touch with Snapchat.

I think this sounds like techno, but I think that this is the future. You have to start to put your foot down for the companies. If Snapchat doesn't play the rules in Norway, then Snapchat is banned in Norway. Then people aren't allowed to have Snapchat. And then someone wants the VPN to fool around, but a lot of people will fall off. That's what I experience. It's much less at once. And it's a bit like the Chinese. It's my favourite story about social media, which I've never checked, of course,

but I still have a very good story. They are the only country in the world, if I'm not mistaken, that has a national limit on how many hours it's allowed to be on TikTok. And then they just shut up., and then it's much worse, the state in China controls everything in the world. But I don't think this is so stupid. And then they promote the same state to TikTok, to all other countries, and then they are frying the brains of other people.

There you have smart warfare. That's very smart warfare. So the point is that I don't say that everything with these companies is bad. They all use their own services and like them and stuff. But they just have so much power that now you have to use pretty hard government power against them. You have to go into the US and split them up. Facebook and Instagram have to split. They can't have both of them. You have to go in the US and split them up, Facebook and Instagram have to split them up, they can't have both of them together. You have to go in and tax them globally, and then you have to start to just close them when you don't like them.

It was the same with TikTok in the US, it was a promise from Trump, right from the moment he came to power, turned the day around, damn, Trump is a coward. It was to ban TikTok in the US. Oh, so it is possible, if you want, to ban a social media or something. Nobody thought that was impossible. Okay, then my theory could have done it, if you wanted it. And it sounds drastically authoritarian, but it is as authoritarian as what Google or TikTok is doing above us, which is a state thing thing for Google and TikTok. And of course you want to say that a state-controlled thing is problematic, but I'm talking about some forces that are very strong,

and then you might need something as strong as a state to take action. It's like the last chance, but it's so dependent and hopeless. We have seen what you have done with our youth and so on. More and more people are paying attention to this. That something needs to be done. Something that might not be seen outside of our youth, but a little bit, is our daily power. Which I have been interested in.

I have had Anders Nordsted here and a few different ones. And now it has also started to come out a bit in the public, and it has been written a lot about. And it is interesting, the three big ones, four big ones, three big ones, have so much power. And I have talked to different people about this, who do don't think there is a big problem with, for example, food products or whatever. A huge problem. Yes, it is a problem, of course, because one thing is that people who like food, you see that the selection is almost everywhere. You can go to the menu and buy a little different, and it sucks, of course, but for ordinary people

they can choose, they can go to the fish market, and this is a kind of pseudo-stopic communist society, where you have fish, and here is the fish, and here is the bread, and here the REMA, or there is... First Price or... Yes, which is also owned, which is also the same. So then it is very problematic. Yes, what I mean is so obvious is that there is a huge amount of money in the daily goods industry in Norway. The food in Norway is quite expensive. Or the animals are more expensive. And all the other than the big day-to-day-cookies, the giant owners, and Coop is one of the members,

but that's the company's overkill. All the other than the three chains, they have bad advice. The children have bad advice. The customers have of course a little varied advice, but they don't make a feel like it's cheap food. It's not great to work in a store, it's not great to work in a warehouse or be a butcher or whatever. Everyone in that chain, billions and billions, everyone in that chain needs money. And then there are two families to take them.

So they have together good financial capital, billion kroner, I think. And they have increased their income by almost 15 billion per year now. And they have increased food prices much more than other prices. And the main problem is that we don't know what they are doing. Is it real? And now there are so many things that are being used, and if you follow them, a lot of TV2 networks we talked about, but still, which are like a lock-in offer, and they are the craziest things.

You buy such an EMV thing from Coop and Biff, and they weigh 150 grams, it's going through 130 grams, even if you promised 150 grams. They are the craziest things. It's meat that is twice as free, because it's not something that's been discovered or noticed. And it's like a lock-in offer, and then they trick you in, make mega advertising, a super cheap fruit, and then the price is doubled, twice as much, week and a week. Or they tell themselves that they increase the price of all other goods at the same time. So it's so much like that, and that crumplation, that you trick people into thinking they buy the same amount at the same price, but then there is less money in the bag. So there is so much land use and excess. And as I said, the bond gets less than it gets.

The customers are tricked. And these who work in the shops are not bad either. And this is also, I am far out on the left, but what I am asking for here ask for is that capitalism should work, that there should be free competition. But this is almost like a market like in The Wire with their dopes, they fight for the corner, where they can rent shops, and then they will get to buy each other's shops in the same place, and everyone has to buy from these distribution networks. Many people want to say that EMV is not so bad, and it is not worse than these other big producers, but I would say that they have taken some crisis stuff and replaced it with something worse.

What I think it would have been worseus, which is possible to get politically, maybe you can answer that, is to say that the Reekoringen, the Reekoringen has had the opportunity to not only sell out of the luggage room, down to Gysk, on the Grunleka, but to open a small shop on the corner. Instead of the shop owned by the Norwegian group, or the Joker's, for example, it is possible to get sales, where vendors can sell products that are not fish from the sea, or the North Sea, or whatever it's called. But also the local merchant... The English market, Yes, that's right. But the local shopkeeper to the rema in a certain place in Norway can say,

No, thanks, we don't want to sell the rema products, we would rather take them from the local farmer or something. Because they don't have the freedom to run the shop, they have the franchise system, where they have to own the stores themselves. But they are forced to set rules for what to put in the shelves. And that's how they drive the real brand products. They have to pay for shelves to stand well in front. And then you have a huge power gap. Those who produce, they don't have small companies like Orkland, which owns Stenrik Hagen, It's like a power So this mechanism will end up with you only having Norwegian brains, if no one takes any action and stops you.

And if it's difficult nice if the fish is... There are white fish and red fish, and you have knifes and loaf. A lot in Norway, and this is now Hellstrøm that has started. For many years I have been trying to increase the awareness around good food and food here in the country. And there has been a way, but we are still in many ways cultural brothers when it comes to food and culture in general. Yes, and I think there is one more thing, and this make yourself feel good, but small family shops are the best. And in a way, people who use it seem almost impossible to do anything with it. And the same goes for the other people. They are even sicker, for example.

It's impossible to see for yourself that something is changing. And then you become passive and lazy. That's how it is. And then you sit in a party hall and drink beer. Oh my god, and have a date or something. And that's what our job as politicians, especially in all parties, is that people should have some faith that something is going on. Do something about it. That something is going on in a way. Change something here.

When you first take one who is on the big screen, what can we do? For example, if we take the food giants, what can be done to change this? This old anti-monopoly-report, which the US has the majority of the world, but you have to split up those companies. For example, say that the Norwegian group of people still can't own Kivu, then they have to sell Kivu. Because you own too much, you have too much share, so someone else has to buy it and drive it, regardless of you. And the same is that you have to, because they have a distribution,

I don't know how many of you know ASCO, but you've probably seen cars driving in Asko. The Norwegian group owns a lot of distribution in Norway, for all shops. So you have to say, no, that distribution has to be outside the Norwegian group. Maybe it's like that, that those who own the shops also own all distribution. And then he has to have Johansson, and if he's going to get paid, he'll get a whole lot of money, so he can probably invest in property, or tech companies, or at the stock exchange, or something. Or he can do it in a communist way, and just take it out of it of course, but it's like the two alternatives you have. But it's not right that someone owns so much within that market. And we have competition sales in Norway. It's like that you stop purchasing sometimes because it becomes

too big market share or something. So that's the main thing. But there are also a lot of information rules. If you just know, both the suppliers, to know, to be fully open about what they are doing with internal pricing and supply, and those things, it helps a lot, but it's a long lesson to learn. I can't help it. It could even be true that he is a third generation it's true that they have built themselves up but now they are there in a way and now they are preventing each other from building up anything and that's what a monopoly is. If you believe in private initiatives and driven people

and all that you often believe in when you are a capitalist then you should be very interested in splitting up the Norwegian group, because then you will get a lot of food, and develop new products and stuff. But the monopoly is very important, and the competition, it has to get stronger. And think about Olija being privatized, one family got control over it, and with that wealth they would have had taken over all of Norway. And that is important to remember, even if it is common with states that they are a oil company, the Danes outsourced their oil to the Merck family that owns it.

And one of the reasons that Norway has become so... Not only rich, because there are many countries that are rich. Agnes says... This sounds ridiculous, but just hear me out. Venezuela is also a shit rich country. It's just that they have such a fucking lot of politics. From people who have called themselves socialists or are socialists for that matter, so much corruption and shit and dictatorship, that they have managed to become poor.

But the country itself is shit rich. They are on oil and on natural resources and such things. And Norway is also a rich country. But Norway in oil and natural resources. Norway is also a rich country, but Norway has had a smart policy, where there are no corrupt elites, all the politicians have a billion dollars in foreign currency. It's not like that, and that's what has made the money go out to the people. But I don't know if I understood how it is done in practice. If you were to split up the Norwegian group and say that you can't own that much, is it possible? How can it be done more concretely?

You have the laws that allow it today, the competition laws that say that. They know that for a long time you just have to use it, and then it will be a hell of a lot of lawyers and lawyers and so on, but then they have to sell it. And then you have to decide, and there are many ways to do it, so if you are a completely crazy communist, but this doesn't think I'm a red man, you can just say, now that I've decided that you can own this, the government has to order it. But that's a hell of a thing. Then it becomes hell. But that's a bit like, I understand this is bullshit. But what you can say is that you don't have to sell this to anyone, or to us, or something, and then you put a price on it. But on a small scale, the government drives, if they are going to build a road past your house, they say we have to buy half of your garden. Or they don't want to sell it. Bad luck. That's what we have to do. Because we need this road.

And it's a bit the same logic here. It's not that the state is going to be in the archive or something like that, but someone else than Johansson, for Millenmøller. And then you suddenly have a fourth competitor to the other. Then you have already solved with one or two competitors. And the same thing with, I can take an example that we often compare with, Telenor is obliged to supply its network to everyone who wants to start a mobile company. They have built the network, and that's why it's built by the state and tax providers, and they can't shut down OneCall or ICEYES or whatever, out of the internet. They have to run the internet on one side, and their phone company on the other. The Norwegian group, they have to get the same duty with Moscow.

They don't have to, for fuck's sake! What the hell! But they have a lot of power, and I have spent a lot of time on this lately. Have all politicians sucked the whole gang up? Or why can't they do something? No, but unfortunately there are so many lobbyists from the people. There are a lot of ex-politicians working for the companies, the Norwegian group of lawyers. There is even one in Stortinget who is in charge of the court, as well as 10 others in Stortinget. 450,000 years ago, who is in charge of the court.

And there are a lot of lawyers and lobbyists, so it's pretty heavy, and it's a bit like the problems they have in the US, but on a much smaller scale, of course. Most people agree that something has to happen. No one can do anything about it, because there is so much money and so much resistance. Right, and it won't get any better, so you have to follow this. And take control. How does it work? You are voted in at Stortinget, right?

Yes. If you would like to continue to be a memeber, what do you do? Is it just voting red? It's just voting red, yes. And it's mostly... Mandates, yes. So it's mostly more effective in Roland, but everyone votes and counts on the border. So you don't vote just to get the government, you vote to get influence from all parties and people in the big picture. And that's the advantage with Norway. I'm sure you would agree that it's an advantage. We have many small parties here, and instead of having two big parties, it's a pretty sleepy system, because suddenly crazy people have taken over one party and you're struggling.

Erna and Støre would say that it's there are so many small parties around Spergen Yes, it is worrying, and there are some negatives, but I think we can say as an advantage that when there are district areas that are representative for If there is a party that people can go to, they the flow within the system we have, except that neither one party nor the other party is able to represent you, and you get angry and sit in the cellar and eventually you get radicalized and so on. We have a two-part system, with the right and the left, but with a little pull. Yes, with a little pull. Hey Mimir, it was really nice to come in. Yes, it was really nice to come in. Yes, it was a pleasure to be here.

It was a great talk. And you have a great summer now. And then it's full of work with Valkamp. Then it's full of work with Valkamp. What will it be? Three days? No, it will be two or three weeks. But I have to do that. Okay, have a nice day. Have a nice day. Bye. Bye! Fiken is a super simple cleaning program for companies. But did you know that you can also start your own company with Fiken?

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