Fladseth - #235 - Jonas Kinge Bergland

Episode Date: April 18, 2025

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And everything you need. See you on... And there we go! Jonas Bergland is visiting. You have the presentation later on, so you said no to the beer. I was out yesterday and I have to repair a bit. It will be hard. You invited me to a climbing session. Are we going to climb a bit before the pod? I really want to. Fuck off. You can never climb. It was fun. After I had been home an hour after the climbing session, you texted me. I'm on my way. I thought you meant that we were going to climb right before the pod. I have some routines that I like to keep with me.

You are going home to shower, and you are going to have one slice of blueberry and one slice of ham. No, no, no. Now it's four slices of macadamia. Four slices of macadamia? Yes, and then it's lunch. You think about breakfast, that's blueberry. And then it's looking at something else and enjoying myself. That's my whole point, that little lunch. You feel that you need four slices, and then you divide one box into four slices. That is completely in my eyes. I have cut down on it. Believe me, Jonas, I like bread. And I talk about it in the, not a fillet, but a whole clove. The big one, the round one.

Yes, you said it was a strange product for you. No, I know that one. I have used the small square boxes in the last episode. That's really nice. For young people and ladies as I usually say. I listen to this podcast and I criticize you every time you talk about food. Then we start talking about... It's dinner. But I think breakfast and lunch are good. Breakfast and lunch are fine. Dinner is Greek to talk about.

Long steak, pan and all that shit. It's not that easy to start with this, you know. But I'll get to it. Just to be clear, I take the whole block. And I put it on the bread. Mayonnaise on it. Pepper. Maybe a little bit of sea salt.

Some sea salt. That's where I think it gets boring. When you start with mayonnaise and pepper and sea salt and such, then I fall asleep. I'm throwing up my life, Jonas. The fact that you say you use a whole box on the bread, I'm happy with that. But if you mention mayonnaise, then I'm also... Even the mayonnaise is there. I can't do that. Because I'm just like, oh, I think it's a bit good with mayonnaise. But it's not fun anymore.

It's nice to get fat against that little sly thing. Yes, right. Everything you say is a vacuum of the conversation. The reason you are here is because it's always nice to talk to you, but I came up with something. Because you listen to the podcast very nicely, and to your thousands of followers, you often give me free ads. You are on your way to the show, and you listen to the podcast, and you say last time it went a bit wrong, and then you start criticizing it too. I take pictures of myself. You start to get excited in a way. You said, listen to the first 10.

I had a story setup where I made out my whole process from home. From the door, take the trick down to the ladder, go in backstair. So you didn't put me as a bad person? No, this is just making something out of my stuff when I go to Latvian to do a show. That will be nice. And then I write what I do, and then you get a double team here, right? It's the image and what I hear all the time. It's the goatee. And then it's you with Bjørn Eskersson, and then I refer to what is said in the podcast. So it's a double team of anti-content.

That people should sit and watch the story, that I refer to what is in your podcast, is of course... It's very nice, and then it's if you're on the story or just... You can also just write to me what you think is boring and what you think is fun. Yes, I do that very often. And I like that very much. I like that very much. I thought it was very fun that you do it to a kind of bundle and judge. Yes, yes, yes. And what? So it's fun to not take it.

The whole power apparatus. Yes. And since you listen to it, I thought if you come here, and I wrote to you, what should I prepare? The coolest things you have ever talked about, right? Yes. And I thought like that. Because I thought, when you should hear this podcast, you should listen to the coolest things. Yes, yes, I'm looking forward to this one. Because it's me who talks.

Isn't that a good idea? It's a good idea, but it's not suitable for the things I want to hear. I don't want to hear dilettantes talk about. Let's say I want to hear about things that have happened in the US politics. Then I don't hear about Støm and Gjermann to get an insight into these things. No, that's not true. Or like, I want the biggest experts. And I'm not an expert on anything. I want the best.

I don't want to hear any kind of nonsense. Political propaganda, and there are many parameters you go after to get a little bit of experience there, I agree. But say that you don't find joy in just talking about something? What's the cool thing about it? You have a podcast that deals with that, and you have read about it a little. Yes, but then I do heavy research first. What's the podcast called again?

What's the deal with it? But now it's been a long time since I've put it out now. It's so much logistics. It has been, yes. Because the one I had a podcast with, a long time now. It was so nice with logistics. The guy I had a podcast with had three kids. I have a job and I also work with Dr. Grad. I have a day job and show at night. And then there was a recording outside... Where was it?

Fornebu? No, it's not that far. It seems like you would say so. Skøyen. It's almost Fornebu? No, not that far. It seems like you should say that. Yes, Skøyen. It's almost Fornebu. You are so very lucky today. Very lucky. So, no, and it's exhausting to have a podcast where you take two or three days with research. Okay, but let's start with that and see where it goes. Because I already have a I haven't got a name yet, but if you go out and say that it's the top three, or whatever you like to talk about,

and if you are going to forget about your partner, maybe the listener and the ethical moral, that's what I've formulated so far. It's not a nice thing to say. Everyone understands what I want. It's easy to get on the spot. It's the typical thing I do. You mentioned that you like the Russian revolution, so we'll talk about it. I love the Russian revolution, but not to talk about it in a way that people will think I'm talking about the Russian revolution. It's boring to hear me talk about it. I think people would really like to hear you talk about it. I talk too much about Russian television.

I don't know much about Russian television. I can't try to go through it. Let me ask you. Trosky, Lenin, when Lenin died, there were four who were supposed to come to power. Isn't that what you have? I have it from the beginning of the game. It was a verdict. And then it was...

No, that's when the Russian Revolution started. The withdrawal of the verdict. See? Everything like that. We have to start with Karl Marx. He wrote the Communist Manifest with Hans Friedrich Engels. Before that? Yes, this was in the middle ofo, where Marx came up with an economic theory, where he thought that every society that is individualized, where few own the means of production, the

workers only work with the means of production, get nothing from the waste, becomes so heavy that it will eventually, regardless, be a weaponized revolution, where the workers take over the society, and then you create a communist paradise, where everyone has equal rights and equal goods. You express an ability and get what you need. That was his economic theory. But less, they are rich for robots and such. Exactly, but he didn't think that far. Plus that he, Marx, was very inspired by Charles Darwin, and thought that he had come up with an economic philosophy,

which was a natural law. Because evolution is a natural law, right? had managed to hack the human psyche and evolution within how society would develop by thinking out how the future would look like. And he was completely decent, wasn't he, Max? Yes, he has a lot of things, except for the image he saw in Manchester, England, in the 1850s, where people worked in factories and lived a very bad life. And he thought that this would happen no matter what, just for the development of course. Of course he was interested. Is it him who had to coin that ever-growing thing, capitalism, the same growth and all that. No, it's the infection and that bunch of capitalist economies.

But Karl Marx himself wasn't really concerned with Russia as an area. He believed that it was a backward society of peasants who didn't reach any form of position to achieve revolution for several hundred years, because it was such a backward society. But wasn't it, at least the elite of Russia, wasn't it such a cultural... Yes, but it was a very small group. Russia had nothing to do with industry. They only had the heavyweights, who were not life-threatening at first. They were slaves to the countries they worked for, for some higher officials.

And it was a society of citizens. So it is now too? To a certain extent, but they created an industry afterwards. But what was so obvious to the Russian society was that there was aroar, but the women did not want to do anything. They saw the Tsar as God, and the Tsar behaved like God. He did not speak Russian, he spoke French. He went around in beautiful clothes and behaved as he was, and thought he was made up by God. And that had been the case since the 15th century. Why did he speak French?

Because that was what Adel did. Yes. That's what you did back there. Yes, yes. Because I just know that Napoleon had both an alliance and a war against... Yes, he was with Alexander. And I didn't understand if he spoke any French or we did... Alexander? Yes, yes. We spoke French. That's impression that he spoke French or we did. Alexander? Yes, yes. We spoke French. That's why it was so ok. And then it was a while in the Russian society, the Romans, the Tsarists, lived completely behind the Russians.

Because it's one family. It's like a family in Harald. Yes, it was those who started after Ivan Grusomme, when he died. He should have heard more about it, of course, but I don't know about him. He died in 1580 or something. This is totally crazy, I'm so proud of it. I think the listeners will be very pleased with it too. Okay, but this will be very rough. And then it was…

I can show Atle Grønn the music. Yes, he will be pissed off by this. But Peter the Great, who founded St. Petersburg, he went on the big trip, he travelled to Europe, under the cover of one of the only Russian trade trips. As a Buddha? Yes. He went to London, and had a flat party, a house, and a party. This has been done for thousands of years, and kings come in cognitivities. And it happens in business as well, that the boss, a boss, dresses up like a poor man and walk down the floor. Damn, I have a friend who has a fucking good idea for a sketch.

They work on a house for children with mental retardation. Compared to Mongo, who is that? That's what you're saying. Mongo home? There is one guy at a morning meeting, and he takes off his glasses and unbutton his shirt, and says like this. Okay, I have now been offered as a user, and I have been used to be back in the game, and things like that. But I am one of the leaders, and to put it like this, you have been on the right track, you have been damn good, you have been damn good environmental workers,

except for me and the other users. This is fantastic. And the others are like, have you been here all this time? Yes, I admit it. And they are like, but you are just screwing us all the time. But that was the role. And now I have been to the back-page, no, you have worked damn well. But damn, you have worked really well.

You have grown up together. That is not important now. What is important is that you are able to work together. Great score. I have a good back, but it is fun in itself that he has... It is so cancelling things you do. You sit there and make sounds. I don't know how much fun it will be. Yes, it's always like that. We're going back to Saint Peter, Saint Peter at the St. Peter's. Have you seen the movie where the biggest actors have a kind of backward role. And as they say in Tropic Thunder, never go full retard. But one of the biggest ones of all.

Robert Downing Jr. of course, but what the hell is his name again? Daniel Day-Lewis plays so incredibly backwards. Celebral Parise. And also... My left foot. But he's not backwards in the head. And so violent. Yes, but that's... You have to be...

Forrest Gump, he was a bit special, but he was... You mean that Daniel Day-Lewis is ready to be canceled? No, but I haven't seen the movie. As you say, you have a different opinion on that movie. I've just seen a small clip. I saw a YouTube video, I just saw a thing about it. I think he's shooting the punishment, because he's lying on the side and shooting the punishment with a damn strong left leg, because that's the only thing that's not... No, he's not good at punishing, I mean, I've seen a clip where he is like this... He is in a risk.

Yes, but his left foot works, so he is punishing. What are you saying? Yes, he is punishing in the movie. I have seen a clip from the end. I remember the movie. I have seen a clip from the end, when we celebrated the trip and took over. But don't you take over anymore? No, celebrate the trip, it's constant.

You are born with that amount of CF you need. You are born with that little amount of oxygen in your birth. Okay, I'm proud of that. You know this as a doctor. But you get that amount of CF in your birth. And you can't get it in your later life due to lack of oxygen. No. Thank you. Thank you, Peter.

No, back to Petter Nostore. He came back to Russia after he got inspiration from Europe. Netherlands, chip building, how they should make Russia into a European nation. Then he founded St. Petersburg, after European nation. Then he founded St. Petersburg, following European model, and tried to create an industry, but this was very backward. This was before Marx, of course. But it kept Tsar Veld as an aristocracy, who didn't really have any special contact with its population. Until then, Tsar Nicolai II, who was the last Tsar.

And he... That's a Tsar. If there is no such thing as a Tsar, then it's a monk. It has to be. And he became a Tsar right after there had been a lot of political upheavals and a lot of unrest, because then these revolutionary people had started to act on the 1880s and around the 1912s. And people began to become aware that we are being fooled here. Are we victims of a kind of terror-village where we try to say something and get shot?

And that was the case. Most people still had a view of the Saren and the Saren as God. But it started to ring a bell. Isn't he God? Is that what they started to argue about? Isn't he God? No, it was a very sad thing when Tsar Nicholas I. was going to marry Tsarina, Alexandra. She was a foreign singer from Austria. Sarina sounds like someone who has been found. What is her name? Yes.

Sarisarina. Yes. Good. And she was a bit unpopular. They had a similar relationship. They liked each other and everything like that. During the wedding party, they were supposed to share free beer on a big shelf, where people could come and take part in the party. It went straight to hell, where there was so much pressure because they were sharing free things, which felt like the herring had to go in and clean up, and it turned out that several hundred people were killed. Because they were so in little contact, so they just thought that everyone would come and politely take a glass and stand there and say,

oh, take a nice beer and... So he was already called the bloody tsar from the start. I think it's strict, he just wanted to spend some beer on the boys. Yes, but they didn't have anything special, they just read the news and everything went on the news. And then in 1910 there was a peaceful uprising that was going to go to Winter Palace to protest that things are going bad, that they are hungry and that we are not doing well. So a violent uprising of people that came to Winter Palace with signs and posters and all that, where they actually offer the answer. They bow down to him, saying, be nice to us. But the soldiers of Winter Palace thought it was a kindblemaker. But the soldiers of the Windfall thought it was a provocation,

opened fire and killed 1500 people. So the mood started to get bad, and they set up a group called Dumann, which was a kind of a form of democratization by the

upper class leader, a form of democratization by the upper class voters, where in a way a form of delegation from the people could have something to say in the state institutions. Like a republic? Yes, a form of enlightenment. But it is similar to Nicolai and others, he gradually took over the Duman and it was a good thing that they gain more and more power. So after a while the fool was so worthless, and then came the first war cry. And since Sainir Klai thought he was out of God,

he also thought that he would lead his forces at the front, towards Germany. So when he went to the front, he had to have someone to control Russia. Duman was already quite bold, so he sent his queen, Alexandra, to do this. She could not do anything, so who was she advised to do this with? Grigori Rasputin. The priest who was doing the orelating and was then supposed to… The big Rasputin. Rasputin, yes, the same Rasputin. Okay, we have to stop for a moment on Rasputin, because this is a name I have heard a lot. He is one of the most fascinating people in the world.

Go! He came from a place called Novosibirsk, and was a Tsarist, who is a kind of spiritual leader. You didn't tell him to do that? No. He was with a kind of Christian sect, which they thought was sexually abusive and had to deal with orgies and such. Why did they do that? A lot of it is a trap for the black people in the future. But he thought he had supernatural powers. And after that, the Tsar and the Tsarina had a son, Alexei, who in all secret had a bleeding disease. And he was the only one in the family to become a Tsar, so he had to be protected at all costs. If he didn't get hurt, he wouldn't have died. There is a lack of a scar.

Yes, a lack of a scar. It's sick. When you get a hole, it's just... And there are a lot of small blood, if you get a bruise, it's really painful. If you fall and hit yourself, it's painful, so you have a lot of pain and so on. And you will hurt the little boy. And this was a deeply preserved state secret. At the same time, these parents were incredibly doubtful about whether the little boy was going to survive and so on. And in the absence of good doctors, they had no medical science at that time.

And what they actually did was give aspirin, which is our e-buck. And that makes you get even worse blood supply, which makes the pain just increase. There was a lot of mass around them when the doctors were there. And then they started to deal with occult and so on, so witch doctors, who had high self- some circles, and some of the cousins of the Tsarina had heard of him. He had been at a party, he was very impressive, very charismatic type. So he was introduced to Tsaren, who is completely sick, you can't go higher in a society. Absolutely. And was very impressive.

He got access to Alexei and managed to stop his pain. And no one knows how he did it, but what he probably did was to remove all the doctors who gave him aspirin. So they had a huge trust in your Rasputin. They thought that they were very superstitious from before, right? They thought they were made up by God. Then they thought, damn, he's made up by God, this guy too. It's totally crazy. So they pushed him to their chest. You think about the chief and the other broadcasts there, of course. And then the war came and Tsar went to the front. And Russia is being driven hard because of the war economy, right?

So there is hunger everywhere, because of the people's wages, and the times are very bad. And Rasputin is driving the countries with high self-esteem and zero capacity, as it was done in the USA at the time. So it was Rasputin who was in charge of the country? Yes, in a very big way. He went out to his friends to control the railway, and he was completely out, and at the same time the slander press in St. Petersburg went on with Rasputin having a sexual relationship with Alexandra, which didn't fit. So you're saying it was the slander press, or street posters? Yes, caricature drawings and such.

Wasn't there strict propaganda in a state way? propaganda and things like that. Yes, it was a form of freedom of expression, but this is more like wall posters that are put up, right? So it's difficult to control. And theater on the square and stuff like that. And then Rasputin became more and more unpopular and was finally killed in 1916 in a spectacular murder. How? A mob? killed in 1916 in a spectacular murder. Where? A mob?

No, there was one noble man called Jossupoff who invited him to dinner at his home. And he had agreed with two other lords in his family, they were some Roman nobles, to poison all the food, the wine and everything. Then Rasputin came there and ate all the food and got poisoned, but it didn't work on him. He had something for himself. He was an impressive guy. And no one has explained how the marriage didn't work either. But he, Josep Huff, went to the other room where the other guys were sitting and said,

There is no way, he doesn't dare. He sits there and talks and eats and drinks and there is a huge atmosphere in there. And they eat a lot of cyanide. So they blow it up and shoot it, and roll it in the ceiling and throw it in the river. And then two or three days later they find him and they go out in the media and say yes, maybe it was us who did that. And so there is a lot of commotion in St. Petersburg, and at the same time it's going very badly for Russia along the front. And along the front, people with socialist and Marxist thoughts spread a communist message that it could be an alternative political asset. And the Bolsheviks, Lenin, Trotsky and the gang, were one of many, many revolutionary movements

that were in Sandsbergspurt at that time. Lenin had fled to Switzerland a long time ago, he had been thrown out of the country, and they were arrested and sent to a prison. The state knew about all the revolutionary groups. But all of them were not communist revolutionaries? There were many different branches, but there were three or four big ones. And the Bolsheviks were one of them. And…

Is this in relation to the rest of the world? Is this the communist bug as well? Yes, because you hadn't been tried anywhere before this. So when the soldiers got caught in pamphlets and flyers, and that was the Bolshevik's damn thing, we are going to end the war, and we are going to give equal rights to everyone, and things are going to be completely different. So that was a very comforting thought. And along the front line in the WWI, if you opposed an order, you were killed. But afterwards, the order was

also changed. So this went out in the upper part, and people started to desert. There was a very bad atmosphere. So that kind of... something had to desert. There was a very bad atmosphere. So, that kind of... something had to happen. There was a group at home in Dumann who realized that it was not going any longer. They could not maintain this war in the same way that Zaren wanted all the time. So the sickest thing happened when Saren was pressed to leave.

Saren Nikolai was pressed to leave. By a guy named Alexander Krensky, who was a lawyer who sat in the duma and said that it was not going any longer. And then they transferred the Saren title to his fat man and he was like was like, I can't be so much Sare, so you take over. There is nothing they can do about it. No, so they had to wait for him. Alexi was old enough and different. So Nicola walked off in a train car, wrote down, and said, ok, now I'm not God anymore. But you get a good pension, you can live in a dacha and you can keep going.

Alexander Karensky was suddenly the leader of Russia, but with a duma, a form of government. They called it a transition government, they had to find a way to get things done, but how the hell are we going to do this? And then... So they were less likely to get rid of the Tsar? Yes, they got rid of the Tsar and had to find a way to solve this. They tried to find a way to get rid of it? And at some point Lenin had come from Switzerland to Russia. He travelled through Germany. That is one of the most insane manoeuvres in the war history.

Where Germany thought, hmm, we are fighting a two front war here, we are fighting on the east side and the west side, and we are losing, how are we going to make the Russians weak? On the east side, where Poland is now, they are fighting. The west side, what do you mean by that? It was against Belgium, France and the Civil War. Did Russia capture you there?

No, Germany is in the middle. And they are fighting on their eastern front against Russia. And they are fighting on their western front against Belgium, France, England. Yes, Germany of course. You were talking about Russia. I didn't understand that.

And then they know that there are a lot of political dissidents. Germany had a bad year there. Very bad. Very bad year. So there is one who has an idea about what if we take the main enemy of the war within Russia, the political leader to the war, back to Russia? Then we see if he manages to get an internal uprising, which changes the war effort from the Russians.

So they transported Lenin from Switzerland to, via Sweden and Finland, to St. Petersburg. And he was one of the most motivated people in the world to start the revolution. He had worked for this since his brother was killed by trying to kill the foreman on 18th of August. Your smile must have been a bit different. He was a very special type. Was he more of a symbol or was he a… He was a political visionary.

Yes, but he must have been a strong leader too, or was he more of a… He was very, very school-smart, very, very active and could discuss the situation in his head. Very angry, he didn't give himself a hard time, he was a very annoying guy, and not popular within the party either. First they were called something else, German Socialist Union or something like that. They were divided into something called Menschewiker and Bolschewiker. Bolsevik means just multiple numbers. Yes, I see that. And then... Multiple and minor numbers, and Mencheviker means less? Less numbers.

And then Trotsky was on the team... Here you have Tråd, and Bolsevik and Menchev menswicker. That means more than one generation. Oh my God. And I have also overlooked this guy. Yes, but it was the internal battle in that party that made it become Ballswicker and menswicker. It was quite interesting. Because it was how they were going to embrace new members. Is it like we just take in everyone who wants to? Or should we keep one core? An open hand or a closed nose?

And Lenin wanted a closed nose. There are only a few people who can control everything and say how things should be done. We can't have a full democratic system where people are allowed to say their opinion. And he… Glad to snuff Per Østeråika. democratic society where people have the right to express their opinions. And he… Glasnost, and Per Österåika. Yes. Yes, I can do that. Maybe we'll get to that.

That's the Gorbachev show. That's very serious. But it's 1980s. Gorbachev! I was just… I was just crazy. Okay, now I think I'm going to have to do something. And then... He was the leader of the Bolsheviks, they were just a small sect that didn't get anything in.

They just discussed in cafes and secret meetings, and they had no political influence. Other than, of course, to become more popular among the herds. So when Lenin came to St. Petersburg, they started, they tried to make demonstrations, they were arrested and they kept going. So the Bolsheviks were then in front of a kind of armed confrontation. They had weapons, they were ex-soldiers, they were in a way, kind were battle-hard actors. So they tried to get into a coup, where everyone was arrested. It reminds a bit of the Nazi story.

Yes, it's pretty similar actually. Or not really a coup and all that stuff. And they were all arrested. Lenin went to seven… Lenin and Hitler maybe feel like they were a bit like each other, angry. Yes, they are a bit like each other. And Lenin went to jail, he took off his shield, took on a blonde wig and went to hide in Finland. The war went on and the case was continued, but many Bolsheviks were arrested. Then Nikolai goes and takes off as Tsar. Karensky takes over. And then suddenly he has a situation that he has had so many times in the history of the world, where one or the other general is out on the top, who is on his way back.

And then you think, what the hell is he the general? He will take over the whole shit. He has a hair on his back. It happened with Napoleon, it happened with Julius Caesar. It was his waging group in Prugosch. He was on his way back, and they just, we have to kill him. He will take over the whole shit. So, and just the same…

And what happened there is also very interesting. Yes, we don't know anything about it yet. But, so Karensky realized that it was Kornilov, a fantastic general on the Eastern Front, who came back. He has his own opinions. And here in the back... Not good. Not good. What the hell are we doing? All our forces are out in the field. We have nothing open. Kornilov is on his way back.

What are we doing? We are freeing all Bolsheviks, so that they can stand with us against Kornilov. No, no. Do you know what happened? Yes, it was completely ridiculous. Kornilov was stopped on the way. There was a train that had tracks, so he didn't get to St. Petersburg. So he never came. So there was no confrontation.

And what does Bolshevik do with you? Oh, we are free again, we have all the weapons. So they stormed Winterpalasse, Dumal had already left, and suddenly there was a power vacuum, everyone was stuck, Krenske was stuck, everyone was stuck, and suddenly Bolshevik was there and won the whole thing, and the revolution was carried out. Oh, damn it! Without anyone having said, take power, blah blah blah, there had been uprisings and strikes and things like that in St. Petersburg and Felydy. Suddenly it was just there. It was in the black hell.

Now we are leading the whole shit. And Lenin went back from his exile and just, yes, then we start the new time for what has been called the Soviet Union. Holy shit Jonas. The peace treaty with Germany was introduced. The Brest-Litovsk treaty, The peace treaty with Germany was signed.

The Brest-Litovsk treaty, where Trotsky told the Germans to take the whole area, almost the whole Poland and Ukraine. Here you go, we don't want it. The Germans got a lot. And what we just want is to preserve the revolution for ourselves. But then the First World War was still going on? And then Germany lost, and what happened with the countries after that? No, it was given back to different peoples who lived there.

Yes, then it was decided. It was decided quite well. It was decided quite well, and then there was a civil war within Russia afterwards. Because other forces came back from the war, who did not agree with what the Bolsheviks had done. So there was a two or three years there, with a crazy civil war, where many millions of people died. And that war was alone in the war.

So they got to hold their positions in the middle of 1920. And then there were some years where there were years of unemployment and things like that. And then Lenin was a political visionary. and he introduced the market economy. Now, economic policy, where he started a business, just dropped all the socialist principles, not strong state, free market, everything. He was doing well for a couple of years, and then he said, now we drop it, and it's back to hard state, no private property and into communist dictatorship.

That's really cool. I never thought it would be so interesting. And good, this was the king. I'm happy I remembered a lot. This was really good. I learned a lot. This was really good. Now I'm interested in talking more, and just continue the time. It's fun to try something else. We were at the wedding last Saturday, and we talked about, because you had invited me to this,

prepared the most awesome topics you can talk about. The most awesome theme you can talk about. The most awesome theme. And if I have two or three beers, it's a hell of a low-key before I start talking about either Genghis Khan or Russian history, or especially Lenin or Sputnik. But also Hogwarts, Michael Jackson and the Phantom. Hogwarts, Michael Jackson. Hogwarts, I don't want to talk about that. No, it's pretty boring, Michael Jackson. I don't want to talk about Hoggorm. Michael Jackson. Yes, yes, yes. It's not that good. Yes, but if we think about what we talked about before. I feel sorry that I made a joke about Michael Jackson.

Now I know that he is your biggest hero. He is not my biggest hero. No, it's not far off. And we know that. You dance and practice on Michael Jackson. Yes, so damn much. You're always in the living room. Still that day. And then there was a follow-up to this documentary.

Really? Yes, now there will be something. Will there be anything? Because the guys were not completely calm. They didn't get out of it that well. So they were a bit like a witch hunt, if you can say that. I feel that it was a pretty good country, that Leaving Neverland documentary. Yes, it was. Because I feel today... Or you are more against him. I don't think he...

I think he can get hold of some of the kids in some way. I think so. But how the attack is going on and all that, you don't have all those details. Let's get to that. You know the type of Michael Jackson. And when you say that, I think it's very... I'm not going to say offensive, but it is... Enhance the hypothesis. It is very...

But let's take a joke first. Joke, joke, what the observation I made from the documentary, because they claimed, or one of the guys claimed, that he had a kind of a bell system, so that I and if someone came with his over-grab, he would ring a bell in the room. He was in the room and Michael Jackson came and he rang a bell? It was a warning system. How was it? If someone came, he would ring police officer and he stopped the assault. He stopped with the rattle.

Oh my god, that's so damn bad. Yes, that's bad. He stopped with the rattle. Because one of the guys said that he made the guy dress in a costume and strip and take up stuff and so on. And then Michael Jackson sat down on the bed, and he came up and rumbled. And then my question was, is Moodwalker back? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahhahahh He said it was a very solid thing. And I have just thought that he was a child himself.

Yes, but you can be more things at the same time. You are a child yourself, so you are recognized in a way. He was that. But I have seen some interviews and I don't think that's what it's all about. It's very nice to see on the interview with Michael Jackson, because he appears so incredibly dull. And it's so politically correct. He is so full of love and everything. He is so kind and blah blah blah. And then you know that there is a back cover of a pretty tough businessman.

He was driven hard by his father when they were Jackson 5 and those things. So his work ethic was pretty useless. Gjert Ingebrigtsen talked a lot about his old father Jackson. I think it's pretty similar. I think they had seen eye to eye and thought, yes, we have got something good here. So, all interviews with Michael Jackson, he is like, I love my fans. Everything is so damn soft. and you know that when he made the Thriller album, he made a song with Paul McCartney, Girl is Mine. He had written a song on Paul McCartney had to return to the service and join The Girl with

Mine. It was written by Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney, I think. And then, during the work with that song, Paul McCartney talks about that it is smart to invest in music. And without Paul McCartney knowing, Michael Jackson buys the whole Beatles catalogue. Without telling Paul McCartney, he got pissed off. He started buying. He bought the rights to all the Beatles music. He bought the rights? How does that work?

If you have enough money, you have... I don't know how the economic structures work there, but there are many artists who don't own their own music. They own production services or... But that it was out on the open market, I didn't know that. No, and when he was going to play in Be It, it was at a time when... Be It, Be It! That one, yes. That one, yes.

That one, I don't know if you know. And then it had a very big wish to get into MTV. MTV has a rock TV channel. You have to say that. Because if you see it, you have to... It was just a white rock band, say that. If you see it, you have to... It was just a white rock band, right? Yes, because it was before. But is it for the younger listeners? Yes, because they watch MTV, like Jersey Shore and... Yes, because it still exists.

I don't know. I was unsure. But MTV started as a small TV channel, and suddenly it became mega heavy, and they only played white rockers. And Michael Jackson was a black man, so it was an inactual thing to play some black artists. Was it so bad that it was racist? So if Michael Jackson was to get a pass here, he that he should have a white rocker to play the guitar. And then Eddie Van Halen got in to play solo on Birit. So what you hear is the guitar solo, that is Eddie Van Halen.

And after that Van Halen was asked what he got to play guitar solo on the world's biggest hit, throughout the 80s? Nothing. I heard that. Or Ola Ray, who was in the Thriller video, the lady who walks down the street when the zombies come and all that stuff. She was an old pin-up Playboy model who was in that video. She got $600 for being in the world's biggest music video.

So he was snubbing people in the edges all the time. So it didn't really fit, but that little beast was sitting in interviews and just like, Hello my fans. So he is a very... Unwanted guy. Unwanted guy. Yes, that's what people hear. I get a little weird feeling hear that. I get a bad feeling about that. A bad feeling? That he seems so created to play doubles and so on. That he is someone else to be.

Damn. But damn, if you go in and watch on YouTube... Did he promise to have a little fun with the kids? If you see... That's the question you have to ask. Go to YouTube and watch Motown 25, it's an hour and 40 minutes long TV show, which started in 1982 or something.

And then there was a reunion with Jackson 5, and Michael Jackson said yes to be part of it, because they were going to play all the songs from when they were in Motown and all that stuff, Barry Gordy, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, all of them here, were going to play and then it was like the big event, it was that Jackson 5 was going to have Reunion. And then Michael Jackson said, I'll do it on one condition, that I get to play one song from the new album that is coming soon in the sales.

They said, okay, you should have the stage alone, and then he does Billie Jean live for the first time. With the signature dance, the first time we did Moonwalk, people, the world watched the same thing. Where can you see that? On YouTube. Mowown 25. Mo... Pause it. Pause it. You don't have time to listen to this podcast now. Full medley with Jackson 5.

Pause this podcast. Go in and search for Motown 25. And then all the brothers are singing ABC and everything. And we are back. How was that? Wasn't that cool? Okay, great. And then he says, and then he takes the microphone and says,

Yeah, those were the good old days. I really like those songs. What I really like are the new songs. And then he puts on his hat and goes like this, and the crowd goes wild. Wow, I'm going to know. I'm looking forward to seeing that. And the way he moves in that number on stage, where you see like young, he's 23 years old or something, the precision in the movement pattern, how he dances and sings, I'm playbacked, but it's fucking awesome. You who dance so much yourself, how difficult is it? It's quite difficult. You can know the choreography, how the movement is done, but the little touch, where you see't do it, but you are there.

That he is just that guy. Yes, he was a entertainment animal. when I see the Super Bowl shows and the big things. He stands there with his glasses on, he's just standing there cold, and suddenly he takes his glasses off and is on. It's cool, but it's also a bit harder. Yes, it's show-off. It's show-off. On steroids. I don't know if it's also a bit harsh. Yes, it's show-off. It's show-off. I don't know if it's... It was that time.

You're talking about Michael Jackson's Super Bowl entry. I'm talking about all of them. I've seen a lot of big-scale shows like that. I think it's cool, but I also think it's harsh. Yes, it's a reason to appeal to children at 12-13. It's very... It's very language-based colors and... Talk about putting the book by the hairpin. Hell, he had free access. And then I thought...

Even though the worst series mothers and perpetrators in world history, I thought, but imagine how nice it was for them. Imagine how good... How fun they had it. How fun they had, but imagine how nice it was for them. Imagine how good the rig was. How fun they had it. Imagine how good the rig was.

Michael Jackson had it for that. And imagine the mother series, like the worst BTK and Golden State killers, who kept going for so long, and were never taken, before they... Do you think they had fun? Do you think they had a lot of pain in their stomach? Like, I have this urge, they know that Teddy is driving me crazy.

No, no, no. If you think about it, BTK, who is a very funny friend of mine, calls himself BTK without mentioning it. What does BTK stand for? Bind, torture, kill. Oh, fuck. He was totally insane. What does BTK stand for? Bind torture kill Oh fuck He was totally insane And now I'm going to tell you a few things It's a side-edited joke

that I often think of It's about the father in the 12th trying to turn the situation around I'm going to tell you something now I'm going to tell you something, young man. I'm going to tell you a few things. I don't know why I'm telling you this.

You are the white side of the Scythian. You've heard that before. You have the same body phase and expression. It's something with your funny bone, which is similar to your side-alice. I will soon release a novel. You will? Crime. Crime as the others wrote? I don't know what's going on there.

No. We have to let the justice system take over. We let them take care of it this time. Yes, Bind, Torture, Kill was... This is so good. It might be the three themes we will explore today. The Russian Revolution, Michael Jackson and BTK. It can be. No spoilers, right? Yes, we will. I'm just going to go through it quickly.

Because he was... Go through it quickly, Btk? He was, to just start in the media, he and he were taken very, very, very many years after the illegal activities started. And then he was just lit up. A completely ordinary family father. A spy leader. How old was he? He was probably around 50. When was this? Which year?

We're talking in the middle of the 90s. I wasn't that good at the age. I think I'm in the 90s. And you know as well as I do, and everyone knows that, if you've seen some of the old true crimes and stuff, that the police and everything was rather the red before. Humanity has not been smart before, only in the last few years. Before, they could just... Ted Bundy, yes, raped and killed 50 other girls, broke into dorms and just...

...cow rape, all of them, and killed them. And then they were finally taken, and then just no, just wait a little bit, and then jumped out of the window. Ted, wait in the room here a little bit, and then we continue, and then he jumps out of the window, and then he goes looking for him more and more days, and finds him again, a new round.

Yes, Ted, now you wait here, and now you don't jump out of the window, and then you're so stiff. Now you don't jump out of the window. Now you don't jump out of the window. That's how it was before. Birgitte, the book, the order. All the old stuff. There was zero routine on evidence before. How you handled evidence. I felt a little sick. just... It was a shock, yes. It reminds me a lot of the John Mulaney joke before DNA testing

or before you had DNA as a possible way to do research. So all the research was based on the gut feeling of the researcher. So he has a joke like this. Detective, there is a pool of the killer's blood in the backyard. Hmm, gross. Clean it up and let's get back to my hudge. He is very good at it.

He is good at it. Mullenia is good. He is very precise. He is the stand-up Michael Jackson. He is very precise and very good. He has is taken by a normal guy, and it is often like that. Then I think, think how good a back he has had.

And he is a clean psychopath. Are you talking about the BTC guy now? You are talking about him having pain on the inside, psychopaths he doesn't have pain on the inside. He made a masterpiece, he loved every second of it. He wrote letters to the police, a whole package of them. Don't you think he has been hurt in some way in his childhood? Hurt, yes.

He has had pain inside, he hasn't been completely normal. So it's something that makes you fall into that... It's not just pure evil from the start. I'm not saying that he just enjoys life and has a chill. It's probably some darkness there. But I don't think he does those things with a heavy heart. And the things he did... It's sad that all those sacrifices, he didn't have fun at all.

No, no, no. It's the best all the victims didn't have handi-gø at all. No, no, no. It's like the most ideal actions. And I think the most fascinating of all with such a mother is those who have lived in double lives. He was such an incredibly regular family father. All of that is hamster Christmas and requires a lot of a person. Yes, just that. Very time consuming. Isn't it like having a podcast on the side? He had an incredibly logistical mind, and very good at

chilling out and so on. And he got angry at the people, I thought that was exciting. But it's completely normal for me. I think your father and my father are very ordinary, ordinary fathers. Very ordinary guys. So you're trying to say that we don't know if they also... I mean, now... I would like to say... Today is a serious matter.

I would like to say that it was just as shocking for his daughter as it would have been for us, if your father was after your father. Arve. Arve! What? If Arve! Arve Bergland! When you... When you...

When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you...

When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... When you... I have been in the Eastland for the last 30 years.

There are not so many in the US, so I have been so many. I totally agree with you. I would have been very surprised if you showed that your father was a serial killer. And the same if you showed that Arir Flats is a monster from the band. It was so shocking for the daughter. Because what he did was that he had an extreme perversion, right? At the same time he was trying to kill and torture. So he started to wake up some house candidates, he got a job as a pedo on SFO, got a job as an alarm installer. So he had full map of these houses where his victims were. He knew when they came and left for work, what kind of family they had. And the fact that they had family, these ladies he was supposed to take,

it was actually just an extra bonus often. Because he tied the man in the house and the children, while he just raped and held on. They were several hours in a row. And he had, it was a whole lot of scary things. Yes. And they just... Have you read books or seen documentaries? I have seen documentaries and read a little about it. I had a period when I read about these things, so I put it away.

And explicitly all the violence and torture, I don't think I'm so... It's a little discussed. I don't think that violence and torture is so discussed today. But to try to put yourself into what has been going on in your head. How do you manage to have a double life? Put everything away, live like a normal father, who organizes events in the local community. He is in the church there, holding on, it's how he is taken over.

And he can play with the police every year, right? He is holding on. So he is exciting for now? Yes, he is the BTK. He is the fucking... But is that the name made on the way? He calls himself that. He writes letters to the police.

He is like... What is his name? Dear police. He was the one who made the who wrote letters to the police and... Oh, the Golden State Killer or something? No, no. The Zodiac. The Zodiac Killer. He had this kind of... He made his name and made a legend around the whole serial killer concept. And that is a witness to a guy who doesn't just hate what he does.

He has big thoughts about what he does. This is a masterpiece. And he loves it. And think how nice he hates it. He hates it. In his head. How exciting it has been for him. So he is taken... There is not much series about it in the last years, is there? He is taken after each one.

The 80's and 90's? No, it was... As I say, I had worked with new Stand Up Bits. About how I liked prison movies and such the old ones, like you saw. Because the new ones are boring, it has become too difficult. The new prison films are boring? Yes, it has become too difficult to escape from prison. There was no one who escaped from prison. They have taken the dreams away from us.

The dreams of being in prison and escaping from prison. They have destroyed it, they have taken the dreams away from us. Along with the serendipity, it is too difficult. It is too difficult, yes. They are in prison, and they have destroyed the dream. The same with seromodity, it is too difficult. It is too difficult. Economic crime is not the same anymore. The state has too much control. Fuck it.

So he was taken, Golden State Killer, very exciting, but BTK was taken on an electronic... First of all, he was sent to the police by an old man who you put in your PC, like this... Disket! And they managed to find some IP or something that could connect to that thing. And it was at a church office where he worked as a church man. Do you think the listeners think this is as boring as listening to me talking about the Russian revolution? I think it depends on the listener. I think some think this is more cool and some think the Russian revolution is better. I'm some people think this is cooler, and some think it's a Russian version of it. I'm not talking with the same precision, I don't do that. No, I don't... I think this is fun. I'm just wondering... Now I'm taking your listeners' opinion.

Because I wonder if we have failed moment in this whole podcast episode. If this is a monumental mistake, then put it on the table. On the day. If it turns out that people just have... It can be that people think like this, Oh, Jonas Bergland is a guest, then we should hear a little about the show and tour life and stuff. It's not all that important. Give it a fucking go.

We jump right into the Russian Revolution and BTK. But Minnere, you can tell all your jokes here. Yes, exactly. So you don't give a shit about that show. I don't give a fuck. I don't care if you go to fucking Tønsberg, Osberg culture. So I don't give a fuck about all that. I don't give a fuck.

But you can say you have a show on your way. I have. Which this time is called so much as… Dr. Berleham on Dead and Alive. On Dead and Alive. Fucking raw A fucking great poster, by the way. – Thank you. – Very, very much. You always have very good posters. I regret now that I didn't have a nice, funny poster.

– Your poster was a bit loose, then. – Yes, but I liked it… I didn't have it loose, I just had a thought that I liked it. – You should have it completely flat. – Yes. – I guess you were inspired by Lucy Kay's posters. They are a bit loose. No, actually quite a lot of posters, because I have seen... But they are expressive, just a little. Those posters for Louis. Yes, he...

But yours was a bit too retouched, it looked so smooth on your face. Yes, maybe. What was the picture? The picture, it was... what's the name? The picture was called Svein. I think it's fun to make posters, have a concrete idea, make something... I think it's so nice, and I like the simplicity in that it's a show title, it's my name, and there's not so much fix-fixing. That was my thought at that time. And I think that next time I will make a little more like you do, with a funny prison theme in the poster.

You hold... You hold the old man, right? The old man is standing there. Is it your job? No, it's a guy who actually... You work at the old house? No, it's a guy who does climbing on Torshov, and the photographer knows him. He is a free climbing group.

So she recruited him to come in. He is a small guy, so it was easy to keep him. But... Yes, that is clear. But I want that when you make a poster, it should look stylish. It was very fun, you were against that it's very heavy. It's very heavy. It's a Michelangelo motif. It's a figure called Pietà, which is sorrow or compassion or something like that.

It's about Maria who holds Jesus Christ after he has been taken down from the cross and is dead. And that statue is iconic and incredibly well made by Michelangelo of course. So… We will move on to the next topic, Michelangelo. Michelangelo. So I wanted to make something that was a hint to a great work of art. And then there is life and death and that theme. So I think it fits well. My vision was, both with the show and with the lave culture, I wanted to make a show that didn't have any themes. I liked your previous poster, Karel Landt, fantastic poster. Yes, it was. A bit of a chex in the mouth.

I was in front of a peister. It was very bad graphic work actually. Yes, but it was very funny. Because it was just photoshopped in front of a peice stone. So that was... I just thought that I would not... One thing that means something to me is that every joke is funny. And nothing else should have any meaning. That is Lucyikai approach. And many other comedians I've seen through,

who also have a title like this. This is the face, so you know who it is, and the name. I had a vision of that in a way, but I realized the previous poster, I thought, here I am such an unknown and young comedian, I have to sell what I can sell. So I got a barista and was eating a sex for a while. I will be back next time.

I will be back. And have more expression. Next show will be a little different expression. You are working on a new show? Yes, but you have both the whole Dr. Bergland thing. But apart from that it's not very thematic. No, exactly this is the situation, because I work at the hospital and work with death. And so it's two degrees about my dilemma if I should have children or not. At the same time I see the death in my white eyes every day and see the end of the journey for myself. When I get old, do I have someone there or not? Are you lonely at home? Is it better for the old people that I work with,

those who have family or those who don't have family. Who is happiest? What kind of suffering do they have in their life? To get a visit, not to get a visit. Is there any difference? It's to have created a family or not. It's fun to see how incredibly statistically you are addressing the problem. You say, okay, you just lead the problem. You just make statistics with what you have. It's like being a happy life.

You got to visit your son, but you have a special happiness on you. Do you like him at all? Yes, but it's interesting that, as you have talked about the love prison to your son, that it prevents you from moving around, but you are happy in that prison, because you have that love for your son. And that love is now red-hot and strong, because he is so small and he is completely dependent on you. But after he gets older and now creates his own identity and such things, he rips off from you, of course. And after that he makes a choice that you may not like at all.

Maybe he doesn't completely respect what you are. Maybe you have a conflict. There is a lot of weird things happening in life. And after that when you are old and maybe you are bitter, maybe you are happy, who knows? Maybe you don't have contact with him at all. And then you got a son, your biggest wound in life, because you never got the contact you thought you had, when you were in love prison. So, you know, that...

Do you think your father Breivik regretted those... I think it was fun when he came up to me and said, yes, he is my son, but it was not because of me, because I have not had any contact. Yes, that's my son, but it wasn't because of me, because I haven't had any contacts. Hahaha, yes, that's good. Very good. I... No, but to the highest degree, you are involved in something both philosophical and philosophical. Yes, and those thoughts are things I think a lot about, so to make a performance that is about those thoughts and doubts in life is very exciting. And it makes it difficult to make humor out of it, of course.

Yes, it is possible that I get there one day, that I want to make something like that with more meaning and more noise, but I can make other things on it, but I think stand-up is just because I'm so lazy and have the least resistance to the road thing, that I just make a rig for myself that is simple and easy to use. You don't have to have that bare element, but for me this time it was very clear that, when you do a club gig, you don't think that this set should be about this in a way. Then you shoot in all directions, and some stand-up shows are like that, you just have a collection of jokes, and then you make a transition between them, and then it's like that. And that was your team culture show, which I think is one of the most fun things that has happened on a Norwegian stand-up stage.

So you can do it in that way too. The disadvantage of having a show that spreads in different directions is that the concentration for the audience is more difficult to maintain, if it's not about something specific. If you watch a movie that suddenly changes... You have to make sure that everything is funny. Yes, of course. Then it works. I agree. So if you have to stay in the audience for an hour and a quarter, it requires something, that you have to stick to a kind of narrative here. And then it's easier to stick to a form of thread, I think.

Yes, I agree with that. I just have this thought, if you look at stand-up, stand-up is also philosophy, it can be so much. I also think stand-up is good satire, and saying something is very good. I have a vision that you are getting bigger. If you are going to start to... It's stupid to pretend to be a prophet and say something important. I hate the new special and the new direction of my old hero David Chapelle, who has a show with two jokes about trans and he only has the signs.

It's terrible to look at. And I think that over the years it will be easier to give out or come up with new shows, more hip, if you can just put together all kinds of shit. A creative transition, I feel like it is based on the form of the day. And also based on where you are in life. In some periods of life you have a worse creative transition. I remember when I started with Stenum, I had a very bad creative transition, but I was too bad to manage it. I had ideas all the time, but the ideas were not carried out very brilliantly. And then after each one gets better at the scene and better at writing everything, then maybe the creative excess is not necessarily as high-class as when you were young and motivated.

So you have to take care of it when it comes up, that shit, now I have a lot of ideas, get it down on the block and get it out. If you don't get it out, then you get it on the block. Get it on the block, yes. So I think a lot about that, that you change, as you get older, and suddenly your creativity dries up a bit. Does it? I don't know. But how many fucking interesting comedians do you see in over 50-60? There are not many.

No, George Carlin. George Carlin, but it's one example. Yeah, incredibly unique. Lucy Kaye, one example. Bill Burrow is one example. Lucy Kaye, because he is now in his 50s, and I have to watch his new show. I will actually watch it in London in January. Soon, next January.

If he comes back a bit, I think he has been a bit lucky. His writing is a bit used up, you know? Yes, but it's like this, I think that when you discover Lucy Kaye, I feel like it's a moment in a comedian's life. Just like, shit, what the hell is this? This is a completely different way of seeing and doing stand-up. A set-up punch. For you who is a bit older, because I grew up and could have been inspired by that kind of style. I never understood Seinfeld. It was so weak, it was so thin soup for me in relation, that it just didn't appeal to me at all. No, I think it was the Seinfeld school I started with, and then I got more inspired by Lusiké.

You are a hybrid of it. Lusiké is also very textual, but he is very... And it's eternal themes, right? If you look at satirists who take up contemporary politics, Trump and Russia, blah blah blah. It's very fresh, but the themes for Louis are very eternal. A problem with Louis is that he has been taken for the ronking. That's a big problem. There is so much ronking material, and it's so good to be ronked by. But he has come back on his horse and he gives himself to it. And he says, I'm an old man.

And you're really in the mood. I don't want to hear such jokes from an old pervert. I am... I was very disappointed. I feel like... Let's go back to John Mulaney, who is super clean and an old cokehead. That's something to understand. What is it? Yes, didn't you see Baby J? That special dance? No. It's about his rehab and getting out of the cocaine addiction.

Yes, I know. So he had kept the whole humor world and all his friends for the weekend until the pandemic came. Oh, really? He had that first special dance called Now In Town, when he was 23 or something. He was on the national championship, called New In Town, when he was 23 or something. He was on drugs? Yes, he talked about that he had stopped drinking, he was black out drunk three times a week, and that he didn't do that anymore. So he was squeaky clean, everyone thought John Mulaney was the king.

He drank croquots? Yes, he was the head writer in SNL and everything, and he out that he had a serious cocaine problem throughout his whole career. And then he became… I don't take anything away from the talent. No, it's not like that. It's not like you're an epic. No, I don't think you become a good comedian by drinking coke, but I don't think so. Ask Krokos. Yes, no, I absolutely don't think so.

Boring for Krokos to being poster boy for cocaine comedians? He was important in the way he was. I think that if you want to open up to his questions, it's a good thing. And he has a fantastic podcast with Skull party. And they joke a lot about it, about his Bikostik all the time, his old cocaine abuse and his problem with the tax state. I think it's nice to just put your head on the block and just… Yes, absolutely. But it's fun and very sad that he had a show

in the difficult time. Now I'm clean. And he was very excited. It's the same with Lenny. I have to pick up the daycare. And then it happened. I think it's been a complete failure. I wonder if I been a complete king. I wonder if... Because I have thought... Will I start to get... Will I get new listeners from this? You may have missed just two.

You know what? I actually think this can generate new listeners. But it's also... I don't know. I think podcasts should be everything possible. But if I'm going to paint myself on a track, and it may be more about me as a person than the content of the podcast itself, but I thought that, I've said to myself for many years, I'm not so good at managing it, because I'm so happy to talk myself, then I get a little like that, at least out in the city and so on, I'm a little like a propeller that I get restless. But to sit and talk to new people, that is a huge scale of new knowledge and insight, which I can't ignore, because it actually works. You are pointing out the record. What was so damn fun now, when you were in the middle

of BTK, how easy it was to track you down, that you started talking about stand-up posters. Yes, where was it stopped? I got you filled up. BTK, he was first taken by the electronic evidence, and then they ran DNA tests and found some crap about him, and then he was taken. And if you see BTK in the court room, in the free explanation, you understand that he is a clean psychopath. So that's what you should watch on YouTube. What was first taken, then just... Motown 25, Michael Jackson and BTK in the case. Motown 25 and BTK, actually everything about BTK and Old State Killer, and also completely

wild bass, he was taken by the deceased lady to Spence from The King of Queens. I mean, comedian Patton Oswald. The comedian Pat Noswold. What? It's his wife. That's right! Yes, yes, yes. And she died. But he, Golden State Killer, knew that she was on his trail.

That's a death trap. I actually thought it was okay at first, that she died like a crime thriller. That she was taken by Golden State Killer. She died of cancer. Unfortunately. But it was not... It was like a crime thriller that Hummel was taken by the police. He was taken by an old man. He was probably one of the wildest in Malmö. And then, one summer, I was reading in the hospital. I was in the cabin, in the summer, in a kind of hangar, with birds and animals flyinguh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, fuh, A very clean guy, who was the son of the producer of Hungry Games.

Is this also a recommendation you gave to this guy? Very interesting. Did you read his book? Yes, he was very clean. This is a new era. I was going to say that I could give a recommendation about Russian Revolution, but I don't remember what the author of the biography named Lenin read. The book is called Lenin I read. No, but...

The book is called, at least, Lenin. Yes, I have it on the list. This is the list, I made it on the list. I'm still suffering through the weapon Pest and Steel. Yes, Jared Diamond. Yes. It's fantastic. It's very good. I've just started to suck on other things.

It's getting bad to read. stuff. It's hard to read. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. And on Døde og Liv you can buy tickets to all over Norway. On the record until 16th of May and the rest of the country from August. Very good. Okay, we'll talk to you. Bye bye. Bye bye. No, stop, we have to go back. Hello, hello, should we go back?

Come back! I was about to say something, but I didn't get to run away from the idea that I want to get better, because every human being has at least three things they know a lot about, that they love to talk about. And then you reveal it and then you talk about it later. Yes, I have to be good at keeping my mouth shut, but it's very nice, you have to be able to, when you talk about the Russian Revolution, to notice that you most want to have a monologue.

But I have to be able to allow myself to come in and create some digressions and talk about Lenin's pick sometimes. Yes, but you can ask questions about what I say, but what is not like that, and then you go with a monologue? Yes, but I think I managed to do well there. Yes, you managed well. I think it was good. Good dynamic there. Yes, it was good. Michael Jackson on the other hand. Yes, it was good. Michael Jackson against. It was a master.

There I was more. Because there I just wanted to talk about the rimming of the mouth. No, but I think if I have to have one direction, it will be to suck out those things there. And I think that can... I completely agree. Talking to people who know something is very funny. That's it. And a tip for everyone is to try to be good at it.

Even if you are sitting next to a boring person, a seemingly boring person, there is always something... I'm thinking about talking about the weather. Try to find what that person can do, and then learn something, use your energy to learn something. But do you think in our 30s, that we look back at that period when everyone has their own podcast, that the whole period is called mansplaining?

Yes, of course. But now the ladies have really started to get into podcasts. Yes, they mansplain too. But the men, they at least mansplain. Yes. Okay, then that was all for now. Take everything. Bye! Modern media.