Fladseth - #236 - Simen Velle

Episode Date: July 18, 2025

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I just blew my nose, I didn't see it. You're so calm, Nebbe. We're on the move now. We're on the move. We have a very busy man to do this with. You had to go into a new meeting about an hour, you say? Yes. That's nice, because then we can put some time and effort into it, and then we can set a timer. We'll give it a try.

How long do you usually go to the next meeting? Go, 10-12 minutes, kick the bike, oh. Yes, right. then we'll talk. Have you 45 minutes? Yes, we just stay. Take me on 45 minutes. Simen Welle, your old rabba guest, or younger rabba guest. Nice to come to visit.

It's damn nice, thanks for taking the time. Very nice. I had actually seen that we were going to do it next week, and then it got a bit too early. I like politicians to take me a bit more research. But the jugglers are doing it all the time. That's why I came today. Not to be a fool and prepare something. You know I can be sharp. Yes, I doubt it.

In many ways you become more responsible, without talking about you specifically, but more about the side of politics you belong to. I had a lot with Kristiansson, episode of Slapp i dag. He has been there, we have talked a little about tax policy. He says that tax policy, or the form of tax is very much open. That if we talk about it because it is the only thing that separates the Labour Party from the tax policy, what do you think about that?

No, fuck, we wait. Trivial first. We met out in the city of a certain place. Was it connected to the subject price or something? That's right, the net party. It was a net party, if I may was connected with the subject price or something. That's right, the after party. It was an after party, if I may say so. It was the same as you, right? Yes, damn, that's right. He sat there like a bullfighter on the first row. I went and bought...

He's got a scratch on his head, and he's like... He's going to judge me for what I don't remember. I won the prize, I'm very pleased with that. And then, thank you, thank you. And then we were at the after party, and I was going to buy some shots of the kids I had with me. And then I went to the left, and I saw the fucking charming Durek. I was like, wow. I don't have anything better than wow. I saw him running around, but I have to say, I'm not a fan of Durek.

He can do whatever he wants. I don't like decent leaders who exploit weak people and make a lot of money. That's what you could say. But he's so angry and he's so damn diva. And he's sitting there and not having fun and snoring in the conference. They're giving gold on every stick, that's what I should say. It was fucking fun. It was fun, often fun, because it was so bad too. And it was. The Gremmes Object matter, it is a place for bad intentions.

People don't listen to it, it becomes a fall through. I was the first, mainly because I was nominated for a prize. And then it was, I had fun, I got the opportunity to talk about democracy. I got some points. I was very happy. And we have talked so much through the year, when we had a podcast last year. Yes, damn, that's true. And then we met there, and it was nice.

And then you invited me to jump the trampoline. Yes. I thought, is that it? Is it one thing that has never been done before? And then it's that trampoline thing. And then you send me a message, is that one thing that can never be done and continued, is the trampoline date. And then they send me a message, is it the day after? What about the trampoline date? What's the deal with... Is it a rule, Nick? What the hell is it that you have me on the trampoline? Look at that face. Are you going to make fun of me or what? No, I think... No, it's not about you, Jørgen. I think the trampoline...

I say it because it's perhaps the most absurd thing a politician can say. I think it's very fun in itself. Yes, it is. So I think it's very... It's bad humour, of course, but I... I'm too serious about my job. Yes. And saying things that are just completely absurd in between, behind the door, is very fun.

So we take each other's hands and say, hey, I'm going to join Trampoline Park. Would you have seen that coming? No, absolutely not. And I'm not going to blame you for being very unspeculated and conscious of these things. This is called, here you build up image as eccentric politicians. One who is a kind of, without any collection whatsoever, a kind of Churchill. A total maverick, who was, who had to deal with the most strange things. And was completely never of the four, at any given point. No, I drink a little less than Churchill, I do. Yes, you do. And unfortunately.

Have you seen that video of the guy who tries to drink like Churchill? No. Because Churchill drank insanely much alcohol. He did. And there was a guy who was like, he was a journalist, and today I'm going to follow Churchill's regime on alcohol. And he was sleeping at half past five in the afternoon, then he just couldn't do it anymore. It's late, because if you start drinking as early as you can, then you get really tired and tired.

It was always like that in the middle of the night. In the bed, before he stood up, he drank. But you have someone who takes it very well, and then there are some who get tired. I would say fortunately one of those who gets tired. Mimir, who we talked about, has also been very open about it, has this gene, or genes or gene composition, that makes you never stop, you always want more, you always manage to hold out longer and so on and so on. I don't have that gene either. I usually lie down before, I mean, after 12. I think it's very nice to leave somewhere. That's what I dream of becoming. But at the same time I like to be at the Narsby and to be out partying.

At the same time I have family and obligations, so there is a bad sense of humor that pulls me there. I think I just have to phase out partying to almost total degree. Or give the money. Oh, totally. You can do that. You think you can get rid of the family? Me and my brother have been thinking about that. You just leave the family to celebrate.

I've seen Magge do that. That's the overwrite. It's not like they get lynched. It's like, damn, he was a shitbag. And it's not more. Then you have one round with a shitbag in the wall, and you're done. It's not more the sanction than that. No, he was a shitbag in your stomach and you're done. It's not more sanction than that. No, he had a shitbag in his stomach.

Is that all? To escape from the game? To party for another 30 years. And that's the prize? No, I'm not that much... I'm not that much out to party anymore. No, but I get it. What happens then? I have a lot of friends who work in the army.

And now, in a strange way, everyone everyone has summer vacation on the same Friday. So they come to fly to Gardemond from all over the country. That's nice. It's really fun. I look forward to it as a kid. So now it's this agreement, and a very serious meeting with Sylvie. It's a bit like that, you have to choose your parties. And when it comes to it first, when you're willing, when you're ready for it, you take that day after as well, when you're a bit tired. But does it become all the time, and sporadically, and just

oh, fuck, today I shouldn't do this and then I'm going to get drunk. It's fun, yes, but it's... No, I'm a bit on that one, that I have to choose my parties now. Trampoline is a small hobby, do you like it? No, I haven't been on trampoline for 10 years now. That would have been extra fun if you did. I'm a big fan of Trampoline. If you come to meet at the trampoline park,

and you're like, can't you do trampoline? No, I haven't done it since I was a kid. But I like it. I can't, I have a bad knee. You have to look at it. I have to jump. You have to stand so far away from it. I like it. I can't. I have a bad knack. You have to look at it. I have to jump. You have to stand like a father and say it. Do you have any hobbies? What do you like to do?

I like it. I like it a lot. I like my family very much. I like my friends very much. I like to cook. I like to cook. Go to the right. If I have to impress on the first try, it's mom's ragu. I have to say, you say it in Bolognese now.

But I don't say Bolognese. I totally agree. Bolognese is something special, and we have talked about it many times. Ragu is something else. It is more like a plume than a plant. What you call Bolognese is actually never Bolognese, it's a Ragout. Yes, in all the heads it's called. And Ragout can have meat, it can also have a pulled high-rig of ox, it can also be... It's often a combination of meat of ox and meat of pig. This combination is very good. Two parts of ox, one meat of pig. Yes, exactly. This combination is very good.

Two parts of ox and one part of pig. Yes, it's very nice. So it's a good ox power and it will be really good. I'm driving a lot. Are you a food lover? Yes, and I'm fond of the dishes and I'm both a everyday party, so I order a lot of power from what I think is that they driving quite orderly, that they are not necessarily made by slaves, away from the elite.

I suspect that the power of this store is dangerous. It is dangerous. I'm not going to say anything for sure. No, you never know. Do you have anything on that? I know that. About the power you usually buy? Made by slaves in the elite, as I say. Yes, the one called Slave-Kraft, that's not good. No, but Breath Company, it's not sponsored, I'm just...

It's allowed to say that. I just buy the products I buy. And I think it's good quality. Then make feyte gryter with a lot of vegetables and meat. It's good quality and has a lot of vegetables and good meat, good quality and a lot of strength. But you should get the name of my signature right, which is a signature from my grandfather. My mother's family comes from Italy. And my grandfather, if I understand the history correctly, and of course there are a lot of old aunts who have told a lot of strange things,

so you take a hint of salt, but they have certainly been a family-owned restaurant in Italy at some point. There we have some descriptions from. It's some kind of long-term braised neck meat from a pig, which is just... Oh my God. So you cut it up with two scissors, right? Yes, it's like Osoboco, right? Yes, just that it's pork. That's put in red wine and power, and it's so good. There are many variations, but mostly they follow the same principles.

It's these Italian and French cokes, these cokes down there. And it's, you have to have... Just cut up some onions and some meat, and then you start with the wine, and then there is the power, and then there is, it is fine seasoning, but the base is often the same. Power and wine and good meat. I understood the difference, there was one who explained the difference between French and the Palaisian cuisine a little while ago, but I think it's a very good description, because the French people are very overbearing. There are a lot of exciting dishes, there are a lot of new dishes, there are a lot of cool dishes, there are a lot of fancy things and stuff. The Italians are completely the opposite. The bases are much the same for all that, the techniques are much the same,

but the Italians have a focus on as few men as good as possible. Take, for example, what is the dish that everyone knows from Italy? Pizza Margherita. It's you, it's tomato sauce, mozzarella, basil. That's it. It's incredibly elegant, right? You should taste the raw food, and the raw food should not be in the fridge. It should taste every raw food.

I had a test of pizza margherita a while ago, on YouTube. And there you can see the difference. Who is the one who uses the tools properly? And who is the one who manages to... No, it's fine. It's nice to come to the food pod. Yes, and I get a bit scared when we talk about it. I know that I'm not going to say that I'm lazy to listen to food talks,

but there are many who are tired of it. There is a reason. I'm not tired of it. I agree with you. I'm not tired of it, so that's me. Do you have a dream? It's early to start with the question. A dream vision? If you could just tell how your future in Norway was. This is my dream?

As if you played a game. What would it have been? We would have made some moves now, which in the long run will have a very positive effect on Norway, I think. And I think the two most important moves we can make now are one move in the tax system and one move in school. Or two moves in the tax system and one move in school. The first one, I will take it very briefly, the previous move in the tax system. I completely disagree with Vimer, in that it is an up-constructed debate. I think it is the most important tax debate.

He didn't say anything about up-constructed, but that it got a lot of focus. Because the Labour Party was heard, that's where they differ. I mean, I think it gets a lot of attention, because it is the tax that is most harmful to Norwegian business. I was at a seminar with two professors from the Norwegian Kandel University a couple of weeks ago, and they were very clear. And I travel around to visit a lot of companies, and I don't talk about these giant companies that make a lot of money. I don't care that much about them, because they make money anyway.

But family-owned factories, family-owned goods, things that go in the fourth, fifth generation along the coast, and that experience that they don't survive because of the form tax. And then we're talking about companies that have good liquidity as well, not just start-ups? Yes, I was visiting, I don't need to name-drop the company, but a factory that made a relatively simple product, but that requires a lot of investments,

at Sundmøret a few weeks ago. And there was the daughter of the company, who was supposed to take over the factory. She was the fourth generation. The factory was built right after the war. And they see that either they can invest in new machines and more employees and a new production line and thus greater capacity and a further growth of the company.

Or they can pay in form of tax. And this is the only company in this building that makes money. Talk about Jørnesteins company, right? Not to talk about the responsibility they have in the local community and all that. I can't help but be silent about this. Because it's...

It has to be quite measurable and simple to find out if a company, a family owned company, struggles to develop the company because they have to pay the tax, then this should be a landslide for the right side. And then I don't understand that... If you cut... I've thought about it a bit, a kind of advantage, if you can call it that, because I have thought that this is largely about those who are start-ups, or who don't necessarily have the best economy in the world, but are still important for the traditions and the local population around Norway.

That if you tax with the form tax, or whatever the hell you want, those who have a lot of money, and then the right to increase the limit when you start taking a tax. Isn't that what you do? Yes, that would be a disadvantage, but the problem is that the tax is harmful anyway. So I don't mean that business owners and rich people shouldn't pay taxes. That's not my point. It's about how you demand a tax. I meet a lot of business owners who say they could take a higher company tax, for example.

What's the difference? The formula tax is 1% or 1.2% or 0.8% or whatever the size of the company is, of your total cost formula, per unit. Which means that if you have a company, as I say, your company has spent 100 million kroner, then there are many companies that have spent.

It doesn't mean that you have a lot of money on your hands. Then you may have 25 employees, and a building and a warehouse, for example, and some machines. Then you have to take out 1 million of those companies in exchange every year to pay the investment tax. And then there is 38% exchange tax on the exchange you take out. So it will be in practice 1.4 million.

If the total is at 2-3%, 2-3 million crowns, then you take out half of the total in each year of exchange rate. As my logic now suggests, or is being accepted that it is perhaps wrong to tax the company's form, you then pay tax from the form, the family and the individuals you are sitting with. And that is what the tax law and the tax system says you do, it is a personal tax. Yes. It is you, but the shares you own, that have a value, right?

Yes, and that is the problem, when the shares become part of your personal business. Because that is about the company and the development of the company. I mean, first of all, we are talking about a disappearing small profit on the state budget. That is the only thing we can talk about. This is between 30-35 billion a year. There is not a lot of money in a state budget of 2000 billion. And when a combined business is so strong and to where the tax is going, I can't understand why the left side doesn't want to talk to the business world and find a way to tax it, which one, finances the welfare state and two, secures Norwegian ownership. I agree.

Because that's one part of it, and the other, just to... sorry. We need the dialogue. If there's nothing interesting in talking about it, it is a big problem. And the business owners experience very little that it is from the left side. Take the salmon tax that was introduced, it was introduced without dialogue with the industry, with the effect of force. What is that? No, I agree. I agree a little bit with you. I think the difference is that I am willing to not punish, but punish those who live on Norwegian natural resources I think it's wrong

that someone who lives on Norwegian natural resources can become a stonemason and that has happened in the Laksnæringa in the daily life of the gang I talk a lot about this and that is something I'm a little bit concerned about. And also what to do. I listen to that a lot.

But in principle I'm very concerned that it should be taxed hard. I think the only thing... I'll be a little bit agreeable and disagreeable with you. I agree that those who exploit Norwegian natural resources should pay for it. That's why I'm positive that we have 78% profit tax on petroleum. You agree that it's a common resource? It's ours. I also think it's horrible that windmills are set up all over the country and all profits go out of the country. I also think that's stupid. I think we should take more control over our forces. I think the way a lot of water power plants are,

that I am part of the state and part of the municipalities and such, is totally top. A lot of benefits to the municipalities and good for the welfare society. No problem with that. But I think salmon is something different, because this is the kind of salmon we are talking about. It's not people who are trolling the sea for the little fish we have again. This is the development of new fish. No, but honestly, the development of the development of the food industry is a big problem for the free fish.

It's not just about the development of the food industry and think that it doesn't affect the fish. They pay a lot of money. Yes, and they should. Yes, I have no problem with that. But what I have a problem with is that you say, that you make a premise that the farming in itself is a resource that you steal from the Norwegian people. No, not directly, but indirectly.

They pay for environmental waste and they pay for what they destroy. They do. Yes, but the farming industry, that will be a deep debate. There are many who are sitting and tripping on the chair now. Yes, especially. And I understand that not everything I say is as popular. But to take the form tax. Form tax is important for the business life. And then I have another tax law that I think is very important,

maybe actually more important, and that is to increase the freedom of expression limit. That is the limit of the income tax. How much money you can earn before you start to tax. Here we are talking about giving and taking the model. When you remove the form tax, but increase the free-trade limit, it will then bring the usual work to good. I believe that removing the form tax will create jobs. More jobs will create more tax income.

So it will be a, and more jobs will be created, and more tax revenues will be created. So it will be a trickle-down effect. And on the side of some men, the man in the street would immediately notice with the FRP state budget that they have more money in their pockets. What is the free card limit now? Right now it is 100 000 kroner. I am willing to say that it is a election campaign from the Labour Party. Until this year it was at 70 000 kroner.

I, as the FBO leader, wanted to increase it to 250. The FRP wanted to increase it to 150. So that means in practice that you get... Absolutely everyone would get several thousand more in a month. And it's not just people who work. It's students, it's pensioners, it's people on the safe side. And there is a continual debate in Norway about

where should the safe side be? Where should the study support be? and the And here we have Mime Reneme, which is fun. Here we have a lot of young politicians, and people on the right and left, who agree that the free market should drastically rise. I mean from a long-term perspective, you could have raised a lot more. You could have raised half a million kroner, for my part. And that's not something I've been given a chance to do in the previous party, but I think the idea is there. Because what you're saying is that instead of the dance you have now, first you earn money, and then you are being taxed a lot of that money, and then you have no way to pay your taxes, and then the state comes with a kind of frantic smile and gives you your own money back.

Just stop taking the money. But what happens when the taxes come? There has been a lot of talk about how big the state has become since the 10th century, that we have countries that have become too rich and all that stuff. And in addition, you are going to stop taxing people. And are we going to get them from oil funds? No, something has to be solved with oil money, and then the long-term effects will diminish too much. But I also believe that the Norwegian public sector

needs a massive reorganization, a de-escalation. And that doesn't mean that people will be less safe. What's more, the system has to be managed more effectively. There are no incentives in the public sector in Norway to work fast, to get things done. And that's what Martin B. Colten writes a lot about in his book, this productivity loss we have in Norway. And I think that if we had gone through this restructuring, parallel to one more thing, and that is to stop from battery factories, subsidies of electrification of sockets and all sorts of stuff.

But you are talking about a way to take from oil funds and invest, then it will be profitable in the long run. That is also a thought with the green investments. I agree with you. Okay, but electrification of sockets, the ocean. I am tempted to think that, you know what? The technology of tomorrow will perhaps just be to expand the whole venture. I have used the comparison of the cable connections we had in Oslo, which we have in London,

which were built for several million kroner, and the day after, the technology was happening in the energy sector, it can be possible to do it tomorrow, before it is realized. There is one of those things. But look at, for example, Mongstad and the monthly charge to Jens and the government. It went really well. It went badly, before it went well. Look at the investment in CO2 storage and storage now. Look at the new project for Bellona. It's not certain that it will be a big success. But at some point, the storage and storage thing came to be.

And think how incredibly important that technology is for our future existence. But we have a state-owned old company in Norway, Equinor, which brings in a huge amount of money in profit. A lot of money in income to the state, but also profit that is invested in the company. And when I talk to Equinor's economists, they have a much longer perspective on things than politicians. They talk about that they will calculate things with a 20 year perspective, a 25, 30 year perspective. They are not willing to invest in this. They see no reason to let money and profit on the other side of this. They are much smarter than you and me.

If you only think profit, then you may agree with that. But if you also think that you have to do something to... I don't know if you are as smart as Carl Ivar Hagen, who we were at the square with the other day. He believes that CO2 is a life-giving gas. That is both me and the Frontline Party, who agree with Carl Hagen. I believe that we should solve the climate crisis, but take the flight with the sea wind. Why should we build the flight with the sea wind? As it is, I understand the point.

The CO2 plants live on CO2, so that's... Yes, but that's not the debate I'm talking about. I believe in humanity for climate change, and I believe that we humans have a responsibility to solve it. But I also believe that a lot of the climate policy that is being implemented in Norway, in general, is German-sponsored. If you take the electrification of the fuel, what is it? The electrification of the fuel is to stretch power cables, get a lot of money, out to the platforms, so that they can produce, in Hermetheim, cleaners. What are the consequences? Yes, the gas we wanted to burn on the gas turbines on the platforms, they are sent to Europe and burned there instead. What does that have to say for the global climate? Jack shit! So why would anyone want that?

Because then you can say on Norway's climate agency that we have cut the point emissions in Norway's climate service. That sounds bullshit. That's piss. I totally agree. Or, to take another example. If you took the fleet of the Havn. If you had taken the same technology that we develop in Norway, and put it outside the coast of Bangladesh. How much bigger would they not have been cut?

If you had reduced the cooling power and the dust burning tunnels and all that stuff that happens in India and Bangladesh, and used the same money there. I had that proposal two years ago, and was shot down by a collective political Norway. Because we have to cut out the oil in Norway. Go through it once again, what are you suggesting here? Right? Outside the coast of Norway we have at least two, I wonder if there are several fields where we try to build the so-called floating sea. It is damn expensive. And the attempt is that one should take the country that has the cleanest energy mix in the world, with the exception of Iceland, Norway.

We are 97% water power, if we just take care of ourselves. Then you should build the floating sea, which is three or four times the price of the water power. There are no Norwegian consumers who will buy it. And the energy we have is already clean. It's a sort of a dirty project in my opinion. So you could take the same sea wind mills, the same people could move down to Bangladesh, build the mills there.

Yes, yes. But there is no one who wants to. The same people could move to Bangladesh, build the mills there. Yes. But there is no one who wants that. Because that doesn't impress the Norwegian state. Then we don't want to reach our goals in the Paris agreement. But honestly, Henrik, we don't have our own atmosphere. No, and that's where everyone agrees, but a greenwashing is bullshit. But for me it's a bit difficult to tell what will be what here. But, say that the havin technology is expensive development, but when you first get it on your legs,

you have a lot of oxygen in there, and in the long run it will be profitable. I haven't gotten into it enough, but it will be the logic. I follow the logic, but the question is who will take the risk? Is it the effects equinox, which has now been rebranded as an energy company, which will drive in the future and survive the wave? Or is it the Norwegian state and Norwegian taxpayers who will be responsible for this? No, it's a good question. Because what really irritates annoyed about to be honest, is that Norwegian politicians place taxpayers' money where they would never want to place their own savings.

That would never have happened. And Norwegian taxpayers get nothing, because the higher-ups get it. And then you sit there, and then you get a population that is fucking tired. And I think that if we're going to solve these things, we are completely dependent on the people supporting us. We are going to get into this with the school, as you were saying. But first I want to... When we are inside the power and export to abroad, so we also take in a lot of listeners who have sent in things to me, and that is very good.

There are many listeners who have sent in things to me, and that's very good. It flourishes in a way by people who hate how elections are made in the capital, which is not… which is undemocratic. You feel that… you have people elected, so you feel that some of the decisions go over the head of us ordinary citizens. An example is, and what was taken away from the FRP government, is the Acer thing, and the whole power model that we now... What happened there? And what happens when you take these EU decisions on the big picture in Norway without the success of the vote? Wouldn't you have had more people's votes? What's going on here? Okay, to start with the people's vote, I would like to have more people's votes. Nice.

The VFRP as well. As far as I know, there have been two votes for EU and one for Norway. That's it. In addition to the elections we have been responsible for. I could easily see that in all the things that really deal with big issues, we take a big step back to the people. I have no problem with that. I am at the same time a little skeptical about the generation party solution, where everything should be people's votes, because things have to be in line.

There are also a number of questions where politicians rightly know more than the people. What is, for example, about security policy, where everything politicians know more than the people. For example, when it comes to security policy, everything is taken away from public opinion. I don't know these things either. So I should be standing here and pointing out... Who knows? Who knows? They are just sitting there and taking care of things. Then you have what is called the expanding Committee on Justice and Defense. And they are the heaviest politicians in Norway, from all parties.

How often do you change? Do you sit here for three years? No, the whole committee doesn't change all the time, but it's often the parliamentary leaders, the party leaders in the opposition, and then it's the government that comes and visits. The documents have been for many years, and that's... To put it bluntly, I don't know what's going on. Because it's outside of the public.

And that is important too. I completely understand why it's like that. So direct democracy in all aspects, I think, is also perhaps not the best solution. I think a Swedish model is interesting. I'm more for pulling Norway in that direction. And then you can discuss forward and discuss how far you should go, but more people... FFP is Swedish, should move it all by itself. We have some voters there. I was there, you know. With Tor Mikkelvarra in the fall.

Very fun. In a college they called our little country. We had flown in Norwegian sea crepes, milt mayonnaise and bremvikt and sat in a ball hall in Lucerne and listened to Bettan sing. It was absolutely absurd. You had to go in with paintbrushes and drive water guns out in... Segway in the hallway... It was very funny. But to take this with foreign cables and EU and such, I understand that it is difficult to understand.

In 1994, we have agreed as a people, by a people's vote, that we will become part of the EU. Yes, because that was agreed upon. I was not born at one time, but we said no to the EU, and then we have agreed that we ended up in EU. Was it a general election or did you end up in it? I'm unsure if EU was a general election. But we were a member of EU.

And I believe, even though I'm skeptical about EU and didn't want to vote for EU elections, I believe that the EU-election is positive for Norway. We get more than we give. And I also get irritated by the drive-throughs on the map. With these pipe holes. And I also think the new pipe holes are incredibly irritating. But where... But the question is, what do we get and what do we give?

I am more pissed off by all this plastic bag stuff. I think plastic bags are only used to collect waste and waste in a combustion engine. While these suction tubes and corks are in the valves. I'm not as mad about plastic suction tubes, I mean it's symbolic politics. And I think it's okay that we move on to other things on these small articles. But they have to work. They have to work. I wouldn't have sucked in milkhake before I park my car.

I agree, but it's a very bad problem that you have a much dirtier milkshake. But I don't want a dirty milkshake. I buy milkshakes for him. Yes, but... Okay, but you don't have to spend a lot of time on it. And you see the cans, these plastic cans, they were dirty before. Now you can just pull them out and they sit down on the bottle. That's not so bad. Or my father, who is sick and struggles to open bottles.

Because he has had this problem a lot. This is a thing in his everyday life. He drinks a lot of coke, right? And he gets very angry about this. Yes, and there it is in a way... There is a tendency to take and it is everywhere. It never gets better if you don't work together and find... And I agree that it's not the biggest thing in the world, these papasugars. It's just a team example of EU directives. But the reason why many EU directives are introduced in Norway is that many of them-commission, where the Norwegian members,

together with the other EU countries, which I think are Switzerland and Liechtenstein, if I'm not mistaken, assess whether this is EU-relevant. Much of it is, and then we implement it. And then there is very, very little disagreement in the big picture. And then you have other things that are much more un-agreeable. For example, this is the third and fourth energy market pact. The third was Acer, the fourth is the one the central party is now going out of government on. And Acer, what is the problem with Acer is that when the politicians in 2012-13-14 got this on the table,

the state and state power released their reports on how this would affect the Norwegian electricity price. And in those reports it was completely clear that it would affect a few ears per kilowatt hour. And as a politician you have a responsibility to make decisions, but that's just how it is, because there are so many decisions, you have to borrow them from experts. When you get a report from the state power, you have to trust that it is correct. And then there are two very important things that have changed.

But I wonder, aren't they damn intrusive when it comes to evaluating anything? Considering that they earn a lot of money on this and that? No... If they find a report here... No, but this is... The state and the state power are state institutions. It's almost like asking the SSB about numbers. So they asked the employment agency, they asked the bureaucrats about the publications,

and they were very clear that this would not affect anything much. But after those reports have come out, and after the agreement has been made in the capital, two very important things have happened that have affected the electricity price. One is that Germany and several other countries European countries are charging their nuclear power plants because they would be using wind and solar energy, which is not controllable. You have probably heard that debate. The point is quite simple. You need to have a balance in the power grid. For a power grid you need to use as much power as it is produced.

Wind is only when there is wind, and solar is only have a balance force. And in Europe there was a long nuclear power, and with Angela Merkel in the position, there was a huge wind project in Europe that removed the nuclear power plant, which made the controllable power more important, and it became more expensive, rather than electricity. And then one more thing happened, and that was that Putin cut the gas leverages in Europe.

And that was that Putin cut the gas leverages in Europe. And that was that Putin cut the gas leverages in Europe. And that was that Putin cut the gas leverages with electricity. And then one more thing happened, and that was that Putin cut the gas leverages in Europe. And these things are happening hand in hand. Yes. So yes, one can go to the light of the wisdom, discuss whether it was wise to sign that agreement.

I still think that if I had sat in this chair with the facts I had on the table, then I would have taken the same decision. And I think many Norwegians would have done that. It's easy to sit 10 years later and say that it wasn't like that, and hope so. And it's important that every Norwegian is honest. Do I want to read all the reports? Or is it okay that politicians take care of that? You are paid to read it. I will be honest, I would like to follow what the board does in Storting and such, I know that a lot is happening right now, but it is up to me

if I want to get into what needs to be voted over, if I read something I disagree with, then I can use my followers, I can go out and say, is this when we want to? And then you can start moving. So I think it's a mixture here, that everyone has to follow along. But I was trying to find all those things that are true about Noam Dagen. And I think it was a bit complicated, except for the conspiratorial part, a bit complicated to find out, right? It is complicated. I don't think it's easy.

I'm very shy because I'm in the Storting group of TFRP. And there we have a meeting every Wednesday where I get all the things. So I get a list of things and a long document that I read, and then I keep updated. And not everyone gets an email? It's as easy for everyone. Newspaper from Storting, right? Again, I'm not sponsored, I'm not a student but there is a newspaper called Altinge, which is very good at following big things. Altinge.no.

It is not a niche newspaper, but it is a political newspaper that goes very deep into politics. So if you think politics is exciting... Political independence, party-political independence. The Danish concept has gone very well in Denmark, and then they have been established in Norway a few years ago. And they are very serious. There is not one tabloid thing in this case. But they write it down. And then everyone who listens to everything... And then you can follow the big things. Absolutely everything that happens in the big things, all committee meetings, all hearings, as long as they are not closed hearings, is on storting.no. You can go into the committee and see what is being treated in the committee.

You can go into the plenum meetings in Storting and see what is being treated there. And then it is actually also, and I think it is important to be clear that democracy in Norway is per-def completely open. If you, right now, or now you have, it is 25 minutes to vote, if you right, take your bag, your shoes, and go up to Storting and knock on the door, you get to sit down and look at it. Everyone has the right to do that, except the king. He has no right to be in such a position. It's in the constitution.

Yes, that's right. He should not be affected by his place, to be like that. To sit with the scepter and the cap. He doesn't get that right. So he comes to Stort capital every year in October. Very state-like thing. If I get elected in the autumn, I must admit that if I get elected,

that's one of the things I look forward to to be allowed to participate in the opening of the capital. And I've been there a few times. And what's a bit fun is that before the king comes, the government comes, and now all the bureaucrats from all states and book the capital, because the capital,

because the capital decides, and then the king keeps his speech, and the capital president keeps his speech, and then it's like done, and then the king goes out. And the king is, we all know, he's starting to get a little bad at one thing, so he uses a while to get out and build. No, I'm not that... I was in Norway in speech, 3-0 at Ulvold. Were you? Yes, and I was so lucky to be in a small lounge there, long story. And then we actually came out on the stadium, because the king was coming, and there was something there.

But I was waiting for some friends who were pissing, so I was stunned. And then the king came through the corridor. And I thought a little, is this the last time I see our king on Klosshold? Because he is starting to get messy. And he is a tough guy, I think, to keep up with him. So I thought about it a little. But if he went slow on the cranes, I don't know. He must be fast. He is going at a fast pace.

My point is just steps and so on. That's true. Just a little question on that. He's going at a fast pace. My point is just the steps. That's true. Just a quick question on that. Our king, the crickets he has, do you think that's cheap shit? How much do you think the crickets are for the king, Koster? I've seen them... Now we're down in the ditch.

I've seen the crickets on Relativet Klosså, and they look incredibly ordinary. But that's not what you get at the doctor's office. No, it's not the doctor's wigs. The wigs in Iron Man, I've seen. There are some damn things in the gloves there, with some damping. I'm very fond of giving the king an Iron Man suit. Yes, totally. We can take that with the state protection. I totally agree.

You would have been insanely cool. And just get him, if he wants to sell, but it is possible to get him under the knife and get some real robot hips and legs and all that. Give him full exoskeleton? Yes. That would have been cool. He is, I don't know how progressive he is on these tech things, that he is eager to becoming a hybrid. He is talking about... What is very nice about the King is that everyone can stand behind him. The King says only things that everyone agrees on. And I think that is good. If we had a split King, monarchy wouldn't have worked.

So it is impossible to answer. I don't know. He has never been so political as when he spoke about who are norwegians and who are not. That everyone should feel at home in Norway. I think it was a very nice speech, the one about boys who like boys, girls who like girls. I'm not going to make any parodies now, but you hear it in your head. Yes, it was nice and parodic at the same time. He is a great man. He is our king, the best father in Norway. I think it's nice. Everyone is very fond of him, there is nothing great man. He is our king. The best father in Norway. I think it's nice. Everyone is very fond of him. There is nothing to doubt.

Even if you are a bit sceptical of Monarchy, which I am, it doesn't affect him or anyone in the royal family. I think there are some strange things in there. But that's how it has to be. But which family doesn't have a strange idea about that? That's true. That's true. Take that Christmas dinner.

And Durek shouldn't go up and make a choice or do anything else. But it's very problematic that the royal family is close to that company. Durek, hell! I'm not going to talk about that too much. But listen to what you say. Now we're going to... We have 10, 12, 15 minutes left. Great.

You know what? If Sylvie hears that I've been here, she might wait for 5 minutes. What does she say? Sylvie? She's Sylvie. How... She's a... I mean, Sylvie... I know politicians think about this, with the image and such. She has changed a little bit in the image here. Do you say that? Yes. It's a little away from that Christian conservative...

But she has that Christian housewife, a little like that, to become a little more... She has calmed down a little there, and has she made up a cross a little, or is it a little away from that? She goes with the cross. She goes with the cross. Yes, she goes on the cross. Yes, she gave up on the cross. There are two things I would like to say. One, a lot of people's impressions of Ylva were when she was the Minister of Immigration in a refugee crisis.

I think that regardless of who had played that role, I think it would have been a very unpopular politician. She had the responsibility to close the borders. And that has some consequences. It wasn't just political elections that were unpopular. There were some reports on social media that weren't quite right. But the refugee boat is a bit different. No, the rhetoric was full of it all. But she had a role. That was to be the Prime Minister of the Frontline Party. And I know Sylvie very well.

And I know Sylvie as a woman who is very rough. Very rough. She is kind. Very funny actually. Sylvie after two or three glasses of wine. That's fun. Very fun. I mean, she gets hit after three glasses of red wine. Oh my god. That's crazy.

Maybe you think it's time for the election? Yes, it is. I'll try to get in a little bit. I have started... I have had Andreas Sundeland in. Andreas Unnerland. Unnerland, yes. SV.

Mimir and you. They are the politicians. I thought they had some politicians in them before the election. That's nice. But yes, Sylvia... Are you asking about Sylvia on your trampoline? She is not a trampoline-nestor, but she is... That was a bit of a joke. We were at the Norway Cup last year, I and Sylvia.

We talked with the kids, did some interviews and such. And then... I had been very clear, because I have never played football, I have never been good at it, I was very clear with her advisor that the only thing we should not do is to kick the ball. I just refused to do it. And then we were talking to the minister journalists, and he comes with a football, puts it between me and Sylvia and says Take some cool pictures of you kicking the ball.

And she just dribbles me, right? Because she of you guys kicking the ball. And she just went for it. Because she has a competitive instinct. So she kicked the ball at me. And when the evening mail came, the evening mail wrote in the picture text, a picture of Sylvie kicking the ball. And they wrote in the picture text that the evening mail has chosen not to share pictures of Simon Velle kicking the ball,

out of respect for both Simon Velle and Aftenpotsens readers. Hahahaha. Don't write negative about the royal family or Simon Velle's ball-time. No, just give it. Just don't. That was a bit fun. I would like to go into immigration stuff as well. Yes. But we need some time for that.

Yes, but I can come back home and talk about immigration. We'll take another day. But we need some time for that. Yes, so I can come back and talk about it another day. And I would like to talk about numbers as well. Because I think it's important when you talk about that. Because that's where the battle is often. When you choose a number, and then the numbers are found, and then you have to evaluate the numbers, and then it's a bit difficult. So I think we just stick to it a bit now, and then we can take a new round.

But school, you said a couple of tax breaks and school breaks. Yes, that's the other big thing I want to do, is to make, I'm just saying it very simply, make a school where the students feel more mastered, where they are allowed to make a number of choices, over a number of choice courses and where they can set up their education a little more. And I think that, combined with these tax cuts, will give us a new generation of young Norwegians who are much more robust and ready to face the future. And that is something I see, if I am to try to interpret my own generation and analyze it a bit, there is a lot of uncertainty, a lot of doubt on my own skills, a lot of lack of direction, and at the same time a great desire for direction.

And I don't believe in a state where the state minister points to this direction and then everyone goes in that direction. I believe that Norway is a dynamic society where people have the right to decide for themselves. But then we must at the same time encourage the young people to be in the same group to stand on their own two feet. And there I feel that we have a school today that unfortunately is not good enough at that. I have actually, this is my street, so this is something I have thought about without getting too deep into it, to be honest. But I have thought about this for many years, that this is a earlier specialization, or just trying to find early which direction.

It is just to limit a little bit, so that you find mastery earlier, and that you also as a society can use the qualities of all in a different way. But at the same time, you need that, there will be less and less common ground here in the country, that you gather around the same things, especially when it comes to TV and such, even if I don't like it, even if I don't laugh my ass off and say it about the side or the family happiness, or whatever. But I get happy when I watch family shows,

where everyone can gather around the same program, and that you don't sit in every single hook. This also applies to what you learn in school, that you have to gather around the same be. And I think that politicians have to define something that all students should know. For example math, English. Good subjects, I think it's okay that everyone can. And then there are some things that in strict terms are specialization, where we force all students to go through it, because we believe that specialization is important. And then there are many, many students who feel that they don't master it. They are not made to do it, but they are created to do other things very well. And I am on that line you are saying.

Early specialization, then people find out which direction they want to go in. And then double down on that direction. Give them a fair chance. I agree with that. And then I think like this, and if you are all in on the professional side, and you start at the age of 20, like I did, and read some books, and maybe you become a little more... Maybe the academy is something for me anyway, so it's not like you're done. Because I always learned everything at an adult age, believe me, I didn't feel much at home at school. So I could have chosen to go in another direction at the age years of life, and I wouldn't have fallen from it even though I didn't learn so much at school.

But we don't deny grown-ups to study. No, and it's possible. It's possible to change direction later in life. And you have better conditions for success, you do it. You have a little more in your pocket, a little more in your luggage. So that's what you are talking about, some thoughts I have had for many years. And if it... What's the big hit? I know there has been a debate around this now. Yes, there are several things. I mean, school politics is a bit flabby. And I like school politics very much, because many of my friends go to school, so I feel very connected.

And the only thing that is an eternal debate, it is reduced to things like exams and leave. It will be a simple debate. I think we should take a bigger and broader debate about what the school should be. Should the school be a gathering place for people from 5 to 19, or should it be a place where we encourage young Norwegians to grow up? Maybe we should have a private economy in the school? Yes, we have what I have in my class. I think it's absolutely necessary when you see the budget and credit. I know her in the society very society, she uses the economy. She told me that she visits a lot of schools. She told me that there are quite a few students who think that the interest rate

on a housing loan is higher than the interest rate on a credit card, because the loans are higher. So then you get more money and the interest rate is higher. And if you go out into adult life with that thought, you are struggling. And you should not make many stupid economic choices before you're quite well off. No, I agree. I didn't learn anything about private economy. I didn't learn anything about how to manage, if you get some money in excess, how to manage it in a good way. It's a bit problematic that those who are the private economic advisors to young people are bought and paid by the DMB, for example.

She is not a part of it. She is free, as they call it, in the society. That's nice. There was one thing I wanted to say. And that was pretty smart, you know. You went to school, and you know, specializing in... Yes! It's a bit of a funny thing. My son went to a Montessori kindergarten in the first months. And that was great. It was a very nice job and everything, and it was very good. It was a bit because we didn't get anything else there. But I was very satisfied with it.

But there I was completely immersed in the model and the method to Montessori. They went to stations with old, extinct trade fields, horse shoes and shoes, bus and all that. They walked from the station to the station, they were only half a year old, and they went out and said... The first word was job. Job, job, job. They brainwash, I don't know what they are doing. They brainwash children to become workers. Or what is happening? Is it the most communist, insane setup? You can imagine that. Here is the labor factory. Or what is happening? I don't know what Montessori schools are doing, but I believe that having alternative solutions for education

we have to be more careful about. And parents have to get the most possible decision for the children and adults to decide, and then the children have to decide for themselves. I am very little fond of square friends from the big picture. I am very fond of local adaptation. I am very fond of the individual and the family being able to decide for themselves.

And that is in a way the work of the Fremskrigspartiet, the FRP's policy in all years, this is individual freedom. What happens then? There is not a little thing with everyone sitting and learning together that it should be a little difficult, does not it also apply to self-discipline? That you should learn that thing there.

Yes, and I am not against self-discipline. I am against the warning limit, for example. I am taking the exam, I am getting tested and tested. I am not against the school. I just think it is possible to introduce it in a way that makes the students also feel master. So how do you see it in practice? No, if I today had been allowed to fix Norwegian schools after my sentence,

I would have kept a number of school hours, and I would have had five mandatory courses, Norwegian, Math, English, Natural Science and Social Science. Beyond that, I would have been most likely to be a national-making major. And then at some point I would like to take a course in private economy. And what is it that you smoke? No, I smoke things like New-Norwegian for example. New-Norwegian cigarettes?

Gym? Yes, right. Gym can be a choice-making major. Yes, I don't know what you mean, but okay. It's a stickball. Yes, it is important. It's fun, it's fun, it's very fun. Yes, but you gather in a stickball. Yes, it's important. It's fun, it's very fun. Yes, but you're gathering in a different way. I'm not going to say anything safe, but...

Sorry, I put my legs on the table. You're doing very well. You start with your military guys and get in there and get yourself... Yes, they're calling on you. It's going to be a full team tonight. Good. Gym, New Norwegian. Yes, everything except those five Good. Gym, New Norwegian. Yes, right? Everything except those five subjects.

Chemistry, physics. Yes, we will use that. I don't want to have it. I just want people to decide for themselves. It goes under the natural law. Yes, the very basic parts are given. Physics and all that goes under the natural law, so that's fine. But why is it that if you want to become a lawyer, you have to take physics, chemistry and biology? To get the full degree?

I just think it's important, because physics and chemistry are very important. Did you have physics and chemistry? I was in that. How do you think you look like? I don't use myself as an example, because I didn't learn a shit. I told jokes. And I have learned physics and chemistry in elementary school, but that's in adult age. But I'm very sure that many people will study vocal studies, that's not what I'm saying. But I think instead of going so damn detailed in the work, you can change the curriculum a bit, so that you get very basic physics and chemistry.

Yes, natural colors. And just drive a bit Einstein, drive a bit like how it works, why planets go in the way, how the fabric of space is important. And not least, how our head, how we think, is not controlled. You can be sad or happy, and that's not much. These things are important. I'm totally in favor of giving basic knowledge in many things, but what you are doing a lot with is to force a lot of young people into specialization they will never be able to relate to again. And I think that you can't both say we should have physical chemistry and biology for almost all future students, and at the same time say early specialization. No. That's not possible.

So you have to choose something now. Yes. And then the coconut for me, the most possible free choice, combined with clear goals and clear expectations, will create robust young Norwegians. And one more thing, common sense. I want all young Norwegians in the green. It's not something the FRP means, it's not something the FPU means. I get common sense both. I want to expand it a a bad thing. I get a Or I would have been a little bit too much respect for the authorities. I think it's good that some people don't have that.

But okay, I think when it comes to the sales department, just get the order on their side. That can be nice. I think it's smart. My point is that I think the solution for the future is to take care of the young. I think that learning a new trick to use that concept is not always the most effective. So I think that if we are to solve the long-term challenges for our country, we have to start with the young, it starts in school, and then further in the labor market. One thing that you don't get away from, you are looking the clocks now, but we are going to get closer to the end.

But sometimes we need people to different professions here in the country. The recruitment, and it's scary to use the words when it comes to children, but it often starts in elementary school. The Kongsberg group must enter the kindergarten. Yes, but say that it will be very tough if everyone can choose. No one goes to… no one goes… everyone does not care about the elementary school. No one takes that elective course, which is actually an important fundamental course to go further into the business group, as Norway is shouting after the rations. No one goes into… health care. But I don't think it will happen. I think that if you are clear about what adult life requires,

give a wide range of options to choose from, I think that more people will specialize in what they are good at. You will feel a sense of mastery, and people are so different. It will not become a society where everyone takes sociology. I don't think it will happen. Rather, we will get a wider spectrum of young people who are able to stand on their own two feet. It's exciting thoughts and new thoughts. I don't sit back there.

I think it can be... I have a son who is going to school soon. It's exciting. It was a very nice conversation. Very nice conversation. I don't know if it will be a good conversation before the election, but I wish you good luck. Thank you very much. Have a nice evening tonight. Maybe we'll see each other at the city, right?

I'll take it easy tonight. Don't start the podcast with giving up your family and... Yes, I believe I want to go and fly somewhere. But I have stayed because I love my family. And I'm going to work and show off tomorrow. Full disclosure, I love my family. Yes, I just have to say that. Thanks for having me.

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