Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Alec Baldwin

Episode Date: June 28, 2023

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But they're all off. Buddy Hacker would crime self to sleep every night. Sid Cesar would go to the beach and go, should I swim out boys? No, comedians have it. Does that mean kill themselves? Yeah. comedians have it. The ones are always on cry themselves to sleep.

Let's put it that way. We do have a rap we comedians as being like sad sex and like obviously damaged, but it's, I hated it. It's sort of a running theme. It's not, not true. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think having a rough childhood,

maybe being on the kind of a little kid in school, you get a big old chip. Having a chip on your shoulder is good for the arts. Yeah, show you, motherfuckers. Well, there's a couple of come to mind that are very like internal in real life, but I have to say you at least, I like to hang out with the ones where I don't have

to extract the comedy from them. Like you're just very sort of the way you are anyway. I think I'm like that. And I like that easier than like pulling teeth to get someone to say something, a modicum of humor. It's very interesting, the relaxation and confidence. Like what is it kind of about?

Like if you walk in a room and it's like say it's Lauren and Steve Martin and Alec Baldwin and maybe just throw in Obama and you take a chair, you know. I'm putting a table of my intimidating and then how much can you be yourself? No, it is hard, but sometimes I turn nervousness, I goose it up and I'm extra clowny. It's really sick. David Spade. What was that? Is Gussett Gits or what was the name of that TV show?

Although he was a funny guy in it. Lauren goes, I guess, you know David Spade and then they all look and I go, beep, beep, beep. It's go right in. You go right in. I don't even go, hey man, I go like this. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. I go, isn't that special?

I'm on the ball. You'll, uh, they're not calmed down. We don a little bit. I go, isn't that special? I'm the ball. You'll, they're not calmed down. You don't need it. You don't need to pull my string. Just big, just big, just big, Michelle, be yourself. Alec Baldwin, I'm excited about. Alec was in the room, you just mentioned that. That's a vicious room.

That's a vicious, scary room. Alec Baldwin is a force in nature, man. He is a very, you know, I played football in high school. He's a big guy. He's built strong. He's one of 37 brothers. I know Billy Baldwin. I know Daniel Baldwin.

Stephen Baldwin. Yeah. And there's a... If you go to the town they grow up in and you just meet people at the store, I'm a Baldwin on to I'm a Bolden. I know about one when I open my show. I go any bald ones here Couple of them out

Alec Baldwin so we're really happy to have had him on the podcast because He has his own lane. I love that phrase I'm a little lane of my lane with his history of ser Night Live going from movie start him and loving Sarah Night Live and hosting it 17 times he has the record and then many guest appearances just regular cameos he did and then he also did Trump for four years we thought he's like I okay I like this word a de facto cast member he has a huge history with SNL and we wanted to break that down I'm also fascinated by the the Baldwin brothers and where they came from and how do you have four sons like that. They're all kind of cool looking and they have really cool voices.

I like to meet the dad. Yeah, my kids are fine. I don't know where they came from. You know, genetics is strong. Am I doing that? Yeah. Yeah. Because Allick and everyone's like, hey, listen, there's that's going.

Allie Baldwin has the best way. Yeah, he's cool. Hey, he was my third show, Dana. How many shows were you on with him? Do you think? I think he hosted at least twice. It seemed like he was in the studio a lot too, doing guest spots.

So he was just around and he will talk all about how he made that pivot from, he's still as a movie star, but he really, really loves sketch comedy. He said, I wanna do this. And he ended up being brilliant at it. So he was an fetal juice. He was in a Glen Gary, Glen Campbell. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. I am the bald one from the county. And I make, he was doing the hunt for a October of Winnie Oste, and that's what he was promoting was promoting that or Miami blues or something But it was great to meet him and and watch him Just be better than me immediately as a sketch player. Oh, his Tony Bennett is amazing. Yeah, he as Lauren would say He knows how to land and laugh

You know, I know his way around that. Did I even call my hair today? It's called a head David. There's four right there. God around that. But I even call my hair today. It's called a head. David, there's four right there. God, damn it. Just don't just punt on it. You know, just let it go. I just get my comb. Look, I'm not going to show this. In the cotton kids would cry and scream and run away. Why daddy? Why is he hair like that daddy? God, damn, yours is maybe worse, but you have a hat. Smartly. Well, you know, I work out and I sweat It's a long story. I don't want to go into it now. This is David. I did the whole thing like that

Listen, David get the 12-way mirror Yeah, get this the special Spritz get the special spritz and I can tease that up. I know it's maybe Me James Cameron have one he practices avatar and it what's maybe in a room with James Cameron have one. He practices av not shy about having an opinion about everything in life. He's very interesting to talk to. And it was great to revisit all the Saturday life stuff. All his great movies.

He's quite a talent. An American original. And it was so much fun talking to him. I would listen to this one if I were me to sum it up. I've been to Aspen. Says on my shirt. Why are you? What are you getting for that? $100?

Mm-hmm. You're, you've been asked for, I work for Aspen. Yeah. Uh, now I just like to get to let the world know like that. Aspen, you had an age to that. That's, that's stinking. I've been asked a lot of. You're good enough, you're strong enough and gosh darn it,

people like roast joke. I think I saw you in Aspen. Aspen. What's the name of your special again? Personal lives? What is it? Nothing personal. Oh, nothing personal.

Was, yeah, so anyway, Alec Baldwin, ladies and gentlemen, here he is. I feel like I died and went to comedy purgatory here. This is great. It's heaven. Comedy purgatory. Okay. Okay. Well, I think we'll say, the jury's out. The jury's out.

Yes, we shall see. We shall see. But it is good to see. I'll be right at the end of this show. You too, good to see you. Yes. Good to see you, Alec. You too.

Right. I've been listening to the show. And I listen to the show. What would you guys do? The promise of the beginning spade. You're very good. You're very good pitch. Oh, yeah.

You're one of your voices clear. You have the right emphasis. You're a born salesman. Oh, fuck yeah. I have told him that from the beginning. He thought I was kidding. Like he has a voice and it really cuts through. That's why I let him do most.

He does. He does. He should just stay away from hair products that's what he should say don't even look at my hair today it's really I can't your hair is like a boating I don't know what's wrong it's like fiberglass sharks sticking out like well lighter web yeah I know I'm fine I was jealous I was jealous of Alec Baldwin's hair I know. I'm so glad. I was jealous. I was jealous of Alex Balotter. Pretty much from the get-go. Alec, I was just looking online to see first of all who you were. And secondly, what? I think you were my third show. I was a writer and it was your first show.

And so it was either my third show. I think the second one was Dice Clay I think you were third. Do you remember this is that make any sense? I just remember when I met you I was terrified when I met you I was terrified Well Because you come you come from that school of like letterman and other people where if you get into the comedy Thing it's like log rolling if you try to be sharper than them or as funny as them or you try like battle with them, you know who's going in the water. I'm going in the water. Oh, that's nice. You said and you're so clever. Like, Dana is warm and and and and kind of does all these silly characters. Yeah. And spade you you terrified me. But ever you would walk in I would like stiffen.

No, that's so. Wow. Well, he's going to die now on. He's going to die out on that. I thought he's going to go in the water today. Well, they see right. He's like a combination. He's got some Dennis in him that sort of wit and goodness. You can let him in from love. That went to generous. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure it is true. I am. I am. Yeah. I agree. Thank you, Alec. When you came to host, I was very nervous just because, first of all, honestly, you weren't the biggest star there because you were starting out, but we had just seen Hunter at October.

They also sequester the writers to see a new product from the host, and that was, I think Miami Blues, and we watched that. And so you just could tell, I've said on other podcasts, you knew Alec was a star. You we watched that. And so you just could tell I've said on other podcasts, you knew Alec was a star. You walk into that meeting. I think it a black turn like good looking good hair, which I'm. Cradle hair. Yeah. And good voice. Just too much going on. Angered me. And then I'm very cool. Like to. Yeah, I really lay down on that one.

Attack. Well, in the first week, I never said this before, Victoria Jackson, that second time you hosted, I've never said it to Alex. She said, I'm not going to do it this week. I'm not going to do it this week. And I said, well, what are you talking about? I'm not going to fall in love with him, speaking of view.

And then by Friday. You know what's funny? Yeah. Go ahead. But by Friday, she said, you look at me with those blue eyes, I fell in love again. She didn't realize, she didn't realize I already fall in love with Hartman.

I wasn't like that. Yeah. The great thing. You know what's funny is, as you know, is that when I first came on, you have to make a decision or you have to, you have to recognize it, which is either you come on and your career is so iconic, like Stallone or Swartz and they're going to make fun of you as you.

Or you do your best, I mean, with varying degrees of success to just become a member of the company and do the sketches and it's not really about you and sending you up, it's, you need to be a part of the group. And so when I came on, that's what I realized, is that I'm not Schwarzenegger and you can't lampoon my essence. So I just thought I would try to be, one of the gang there. And I always came back, people said,

why did you host so many times? I said, because that was really, in the beginning of the heyday of me doing films, I'm also like all the 90s that did movie. Yeah. And I said, movies are challenging. Movies can be challenging, but they're so fucking boring. It's unbelievable.

Maybe more of a death. And I said, I went back to SNL all the time, but it was fun. I want to have fun. And it was fun. Yeah. I think maybe that comes from him doing plays, Dana. Because I think, Alok, I've read you'd really like doing plays, and that's another version of doing a play

in a way, you're live, you're with other people, you're playing off everybody, it's happening right then. But now that I have seven children between the ages of nine and eight months. And eight months. I'm gonna sign a deal to do a play for like the next 10 years. I'm gonna be gone every night. I'm sorry, I'm in the sign a deal to do a play for like the next 10 years. I'm going to be gone every night. I'm sorry.

I'm in the car five. I got to be the theater early. You do have a bit of a cheaper by the dozen vibe going. That's good, but you came from six. So it's thematic in a sense. Do you come from a big family? Five. You grew up again.

Where did you grow up? So Salino, where you from? Well, from Montana, but then grew up, grew up basically on the peninsula, you know, south of San Francisco. Yeah, we're from the Bayer. Yeah, middle class stacked kids two years apart, like the ball one boys pretty much. Or is that you? You, you, you, I guess that kind of because you do have a very four one five five five. I think you are.

You have that vibe. 415. I don't know how my Harris. I'm a very 415. I'm laughing like a model. But you said to your point a second ago, when you came on the show, to me, you saw a star already.

Yeah. But you acted exactly like we have a new cast member this week. And you said to me, because you've done the big submarine movie. And I said, you were kind of going, I don't know about these movies. And you go, uh, I, uh, I go, what do you want to do? I just met you. We're on the soundstage rehearsing. I want to do this. I like doing this. You think I want to be on a submarine going, I capped him for the rest of my life.

Fuck that. You know, so you were, yeah. Well, the shit with that is I always just say, oh, I'd love to be in the cast, I'd love to be in the cast. This is the most fun. And then when the Trump thing came, and I was in the cast, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was, I was in and out in five minutes.

I was in and out in first five minutes, but I was there in first two seasons, and the first season I did every show, second season I did nearly every show, third season, last season, second season, like yeah. But like that period I was there. I was like, boy, do I regret wishing that I was. Wish came true. Well, that's with kids on a Saturday night. That is a big,

a big deal because it gets you on that late schedule. You're gone all day on that Saturday rehearsing. So yeah, that's, that's, I think, I think when I finished SNL with Trump in 2020 when he lost I still have three last children. I have three children since that so you have a kid every Monday Well, do you want to make an announcement? All right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have two boys, yeah. I have one daughter and I grew up with two brothers. At Dana, you only had brothers too, right?

No, I have a baby sister, folder of brothers. I don't even know Dana. Dennis Miller would say something like, Christ, I can't do it. The progeny's increasing in an exponential rate in the Baldwin House all the days. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's like this is my project. I really mean that this is the day. I get a job and I like it now. If it's a week, I mean, like come to Vancouver, shoot a movie. Your

characters did on page five of the movie. I'm like, great. I'm there. Can I do 10 weeks? Do I do a couple of scenes? So it's kind of like a flip. But have you seen so far that the siblings are raising each other? It's a it's a clan. It's a brood. And there's the mom and the dad, but the siblings as they go along are doing a lot of shenanigans and play. I mean, it's it's a pretty incredible dynamic to watch. We had a girl and then we had four boys in a room Wow, they're me had two girls and the boys are you know, I mean, it's they're boys, man

So it's like you come in their room and one of them standing there out of the shower go I'm up in it's not the penis. It's my penis. It's what I do and then I'm only singing a song about it It's a bad By the way, I think they're still young. They're not really pulling their weight yet, right? They're not doing as many chores and babysitting as you'd like. Well, I love the line when you guys were talking with Sherry on Terry. And Spade says, you know, we didn't get cars on the show like you, Dana, you know, your whole, you're being carted around like Megan Markle.

He is our Megan Markle. Jesus. I love that. And my kids and my kids got a little Megan Markle come. They're getting close. Yeah. It's hard to stay rich though with so many kids. I have, you know, it's just tough out there because every, every one's in a more spoiled world than we grew up in because when I was a kid, you know, I would think, oh,

in the summer in Arizona, I bet everyone's having a lot of fun. They drove to San Diego or something. But now on Instagram, you have concrete photographic proof everyone's having more fun than you. It leather like in a bea and Italy. I'm like, wait, they're in Europe now. Like everyone's the change for me. It's going to be that like next summer, we're going to start to go overseas and go away as opposed to our standard. You know, we have a house on the island and

we just got a place to be Vermont and I'm like, I don't want their summers to be just like tennis camp and all that bullshit. So we're going to take them overseas next summer for like five or six weeks and rent a house. We did that. We did that in Italy. Where did you go? Where? Son Cushano de Bagnia. It's about, it's in Tuscany. It's about 90 minutes outside of Rome, I guess. And you know, you said to Bagnia, you went to a bathhouse. Son Cushano de Bagnia. You know, there was an incredible spa there with just, I'd never seen a spa like that with hot water coming down on you, but I'll be honest with you It was a bit rough on the kids at a certain point. They were not

Excited all they wanted to do was catch air off statues and stuff like skateboarding Tony Hawk stuff I could catch so much air off that and when they saw the statue of David they they turned purple Just this giant naked statue. They just started with the funniest thing. So there was a bit of that, but I think to get it in them out there is cool. I think that the girls might appreciate it more than the boys. I don't know. We're going to go overseas to Europe next summer.

And we're going to plot that out because obviously it's a big crowd. And where are you going? Because I want to tell the pop rod. Can you just hit me with your I-10? Yeah. I'll text you. I'll text you. Sit me.

See, see me. Thanks. I'll text you. I'll text you. See, see me, thanks. I'll see you. I'll see you. But I want to be, before I forget this, which is, it's so funny to talk to you two guys and Dana, people would say to me, you know, years ago, 2016, and that's seven years ago. So I start doing the Trump thing and of course Lauren says, it's going to be three shows. Don't be three shows.

Oh, three. That's Lauren. Yeah, he's gonna do a great one. So he said it's three shows in the top because he's gonna lose. This is just gonna be three shows. So I come in, I do the three shows. I'm laying in bed.

We fall asleep, we don't have a TV in our bedroom, but I got my computer. We fall asleep and I wake up to three and I'm running out of check, and says Trump went one to one. Oh boy. And I wake my wife up and I go, Trump won. Marvellously groans and rolls over goes back to sleep.

And I sit there and go, now I gotta do this fucking thing for the next four fucking years. But you Dana, I'm not just saying this to be polite. I mean, you were a huge inspiration for me because I would watch, I'd show people, Bush, I'd show Bush and I'd say, they'll watch this and you'd be like, nah, I got da, you know, you do all that fanatics.

You do those insane fanatics with him. And they say, that's it, you make your own character. Yes. It doesn't have to be some precise. No. I mean, I do the worst truck impersonation of anybody in America, but the idea was, I thought to myself,

what does he deserve? Maybe he doesn't deserve. I'm a Brendan Gleason doing the Komi movie or doing the Komi movie with Jeff Daniels. It's like, I could do pencil next, not even literal pencil next, but I could do Bush senior and I could do Perot, but for Trump, it'd be hard, but you did have this, you brought this hulking Trumpism to it, you know, that was just innate, uh, to- So what did he deserve? He's a two dimensional guy. And I said, and everybody doesn't understand

that, you know, you know, infinitely better than I do, that you're firing in the cannon on a live show. Oh, yeah. I mean, in front of a live audience, MTV Kenner's, and I just looked at myself, in acting school, they'd say, watch the performance with the sound off. So we'd watch the sound off, and you'd see the person you were imitating, or emulating in whatever way, with the sound off, with the trumpet,

it's always like, stick your mouth out, like you're gonna suck the windshield out of the car. Hold your hands up. Like, you know, when you put someone in your hand, you would towel, and they're like, they're like this. someone to hand you a towel. I mean, like good like that. And but a lot of what I said, I showed people, your brush, and I said, look at this.

I said, he's doing his own thing. He's come up with his own thing, you know. Well, we didn't know what there was after Reagan, Bumbling Reagan. It was like a technocrat. It was like a flat voice. There was nothing there. And then kept teasing out little rhythms, gone in that area, that thing. And then taking it to, from not gonna do it,

to not God do it, but the audience took it with me. But I wanted to ask you the terror until you get used to it of the whole studio, the only time it's quiet is right before the cold opening. Everybody's freezes. In the other sketches, there's movement and slats movement around, of course. We're these jokes to land. So I remember at one point to myself, I said, think of the script as suggestions, because I would get, I, I, and when the script

was too long, I'd say, I feel like I'm doing homework now. I'll, it's too many jokes. I would rather do less and be playful. But how did you deal with all that pressure? Because it's all quiet. And here comes Alex doing Trump. You know, it's scary that dude in the club. I mean, I'm standing there on the stage. And we're going to do the dress.

And I'm not saying this to be amusing, whatever. I was standing there to do the dress and I go, I have no fucking idea. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not saying this to be amusing whenever I was standing there to do the dress and I go, I have no fucking idea what I'm looking for. I don't know. Well, I know it was I got to stick my mouth out like this, put my hands up and say, and then try to do, just do the whole. And he's the guy who, back then in the early days, we had this gag, he was a guy who was always groping for a stronger word that he never found. So he'd say, I went to this event with this crowd. It was a fantastic crowd. This crowd was truly,

truly fantastic, you know, really, just moves back. He's not a, he's not a, no, a lot of verbal muscularity. He, he, he never runs into a ditch because he has these little phrases. Many people are saying, many people, you're gonna see it. We're gonna do it because we know how to do it. We know where we'll go and a lot of people don't want us to do it, but we're gonna do it anyway. David, do you consider yourself a master? I feel like I'm only a master of like 90 things. Right. Well, that's why we have master class, which is, I've been fans of this app for years. I think it's so well done. I love it. Yeah. I can't believe how many people they have on master class doing classes and how there's so many big names on here that it's great.

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an annual membership masterclass dot com slash fly now we win win win win win state when you did your TV show, how many seasons was just shoot me? How many was that? Just shoot me was a hundred and forty episodes. I think it was six full seasons. Six full seasons. That's great.

I would love to do another TV series. That's where, thank you for pulling it back to me. Because when Dana showed me his book, it was in his dressing. Good night. No, I just wanted to say about 30 rock because I want to, this is something I just didn't really know the breadth of the awards for sweet, Alec, for the 30 rock, three Emmys, three golden gloves and seven, seven awards. Two many. Most in history. I think it's a little over the top, but I mean, that is, that's insane. Seven, seven, seven. When I went like the fourth or fifth time I'm in like the next team to rent a table here with your cast at the table

They go either winner is Alec Paul and I like to teen I was like that come on Where's that where's the originality in this now? What's also your peers? I mean I don't I got one Emmy But a second word that's all actors giving you the award. Did you feel kind of, okay guys, I mean, I appreciate you. I was very grateful. You know, 30 Rock was something where the first season, I didn't want to do a TV series because I wasn't sure. You know, it's like, as we all know, it's like what's going to come up six years, if it runs six, seven years from them. So So but I did it. I did the pilot, and I go, oh, this isn't bad. And I knew I wasn't funny.

They're funny. Because they write. To me, I've never said I was funny or a comedian because I don't write. You're a comedian when you write your material. You're funny if you're like Tina and Carla, I could read you. But I went in there and just tried to play, people said it was boring. He wasn't really boring because this is a guy who,

he just is very unself aware. I wanted to play a guy that was completely unself aware. And he walks into a room and doesn't realize how he's coming across. Hey, we didn't strike me as much lore in your right. I didn't even know. And also those TV shows yours, first of all, it's in town, which is a gift. You don't have to go to LA. Second, you probably wouldn't

have done it if it was not now. And then New York. But mine was a sitcom, which is easier hours. Yours is a, is like shot like a movie. So some of those days can get really hard. Yeah, it was very tough on the crew. But we know we kept it pretty cool. It was because the joke was that Tina wanted to shoot everything she wrote. So if you're cared to sit in the out there and Jay, Makowski says, what was your date like last night? She go, well, whip, show the date. You don't describe it. We don't describe anything. We shoot everything. We should be showing. We don't tell the show. Now, when you did, when you did your four camera, what studio were you at?, when you did your, your, uh, four camera, what studio were you at?

Where were you? I was CBS Bradford in the valley. You had Bradford, yeah. Same as Portland Grace. Yeah, well, yeah, willing grace came on a year after us, uh, or two years after us, then they, then they followed us on the schedule.

But we were around when it was very tough. It was sign felled. It was ER, it was friends, Frazier, willing grace. So it was tough. Veronica's closet was the only one we were beating. We were still in like the top 15, but you can't keep love, Veronica's closet. You can't keep up with Seinfeld. These shows are monstrous even years later. So we did a good job, I thought, and I really liked it.

And it was a super, super fun experience. But it's hard to get that again. I think we got canceled because we only had about 40 million viewers or something. Well, the other thing is, I would tell people, like when you have a fantasy, I'll never forget I was parsing myself. And I was, we were talking about a fantasy work situation.

And this guy, and I started going, well, and I'm hedging, and I was, Ale were talking about a fantasy work situation in this guy. And I started to go, well, I'm hedging. I was Alec. It's a fantasy. You have it. He said, have it exactly the way you make it up. And for me, my fantasy is, I'm doing the jack question. I'm coming out there. Me and Audrey Middleton out. You're glow of kiss to the audience. How's everybody doing tonight? Everybody doing all right. I understand we have a birthday in the house. And then we let a cake, and there's a 90 year old lady in the front row.

This is McGillicutty, everybody join me, happy birthday. He's saying she blows out the cake. Now, the following week, we do the same fucking thing again, with the Mrs. McGillicutty is there. It's her birthday again. I just wanted to have like a good time. I wanted to have a good time. And I don't want to do to for care.

So what I want to do to do the thing with Kelsey, but we do this sitcom with Kelsey. And I remember standing there, I'm literally standing on the edge of the set with Chris Lloyd and Vali, a chandra shaken, and Kelsey was nearby. And I go, do you guys notice something about this set? And Chris Lloyd goes, what?

I go, well this guy has a lot of money. This wife has a lot of money. And his wife just left him and I said, there was an effeminate touch in this whole room and everything looks like it's from West Elm. It's all very inexpensive shit, West Elm. And Chris was like, yeah, that's interesting that you say that I thought, we're not going anywhere.

They're never going to be conscious. We're not going anywhere. We're not going anywhere. We're not even leaving the gate. I'm getting a little too crat and barrel to get picked up. I've been in a lot of a lot of bombs. Have you? Oh, yeah, I did a lot of pilots.

I did a pilot with because I was thinking about that comedian thing, I, folklore has it that Lucio Ball didn't really, really write much, but you'd give her something and she create magic, obviously, but I did a pilot with Desi Arnez Jr. called Wacked Out and we're shooting the pilot and we're bombing. And then all of a sudden I hear a voice in this side of the studio going, what's wrong with you people? This is funny. And it was Lucille Ball in her later years.

So Desi just kind of went, okay, mom's here. And then a huge line form so that people could get her autograph, but the pilot didn't work. But he was very proud of his dad, a super nice guy. Desi aren't it? Yeah, you, yeah, you both do live in LA, you're both in LA right now. Yes, sir.

Yeah, I have a, I have a, I'm, well, right now I'm at a, um, a farm. A bunker, a bunker, a farm in San, this is North of Santa Barbara. Anchorage. You've, you've, you've, here's your quiz. Yeah, here's your quiz. What movie is that? That's red. I just watched it the other day. Jeez. I'm the other day. Damn, I love that.

Yeah, I just want to read the other day. You did. I had and I know I only did I watch res the other day. Here's I'm being very rude now. The moment I finished watching the movie, I hung up the phone and I called Warren and I talked to him better for it now. Well, that why is that rude? That sounds amazing. No, I mean, I'm not much of a starfucker named rapper, but it was like, he's so mellow. I mean, he's so rich. His mind, I mean, he's a really brilliant. Brilliant. How did you like, you saw when it came out? How long

and it been since you'd seen it and how did it affect you? I've seen it one of the times. It's came out in 1980. I've seen it before because I was always hooked on, I was really hooked on the witnesses on the testimonies. I love that technique, where they had the real brand talking, then they come to cut to the dramatization. And I'm watching movies now,

where it's like, I don't mean to be so creative about it, but it's like, things you just never gonna see again. It's like movies now, I'm like, I mean, every movie I do now, it, you know, me and Marlon Brando chopped it in elevator for now.

No sets, no costumes. Oh, because I don't know if this is true. I don't know if this is true, but I was told that Jack Nicholson wrote a very, he had sort of a thing for Diane Keaton. And he wrote a very, very personal revealing letter. And he puts it in the book that he gives to her in that scene to create all this sort of tension. But I thought he really stands out as a Geno Neo.

The whole movie is brilliant. Who would make a movie like that about the Soviet Union? I was told, I was told he was in a wardrobe fitting. And he dropped his pants and my penis, my penis. What is that? Oh, it just says midnight toker. It just got to. I don't know why I got pick up right here. Midnight toker, Alec, you know, that song. Yeah, it's just a stupid for a midnight Joker. But anyway, Reds, we had not talked about Reds on this podcast.

So that's a bucket list for me. Let's talk about movies. What do you give me five of your favorite performances, male or female? What if five movies were the acting to you is so unashamed? Butch and Sundance. I saw a reason. I kind of, I have, butch Cassie and Sundance. uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, I think this closet is. Bronis closet. There's a movie there. That's top show. Yes. No, Joe, go ahead. Danny, you first.

Give me three. Three performances. Man and three by women. Give me three by men and three. She's a three by women. Oh my God. Essential. Essential.

I was just saw a documentary in Catherine Hepburn. So on a golden pond, she got me very, I was very emotional about her performance in that. I heard you're having Fondin impersonation by the way, the other day on the show. I listen. What show was I doing? I listen quite a few shows on this show on the show. I didn't even remember doing it on the show.

Do you remember how I felt? I did too. You know what I'm saying? I mean, Henry, one great film performance. Yeah. Two great, two great male performances embedded in one film. Twelve Angry Men. In correct. In correct. All right, but a good guess. Yeah, yeah, too great for too great male performance is embedded in one fell 12 angry men Oh All right, but a good guess all right, but that's 12 good performances the best of fails say the Larry Hagman in cells

Oh god what a brilliant movie. Yeah, Larry has the intern Henry great acting I want to know what he's I don't want to see what he's saying. I want to know what he's thinking They're trying to prevent a nuclear war and And Larry Hagueman is the interpreter. Do you know the movie, David? I do. I think they redid it. Yeah, but then it probably wasn't very good. I have somebody I want to ask.

I like good. Well, go ahead. I don't mean dinner up. I just want to insert one thing here. My wife and I have a really a love affair with a few movies with one actor. He's not considered a great actor, but the movies are touchstones for us. Three days of the condor. All the presidents, men, and I think the way we were, those movies are movies you can watch a lot. I also loved, you know loved ordinary people that he directed.

I've just sort of have a red fur to think about. Robert Redford as a producer too. And Alex not giving it up at all. No he. Well, no, I mean, Redford of course is of a certain stripe where they were where it was discouraged. It's like it's like cruise to a magnolia. Cruise does right. Magnolia.

He blows everybody away. He's nominated for an Oscar. I believe he doesn't win. Yeah, but I mean everybody knows that Cruz and Magnolia is the greatest actor he's ever done. Yes, give it up and then when he's done with that when he's done when revealing these darker edges of himself his agents and producers and his I mean, this is my They sit him down and they're like, okay, are you done now? For sure happy now?

It's like Julia Roberts. It's like Julia Roberts in Mary Riley. Someone sits her down with not which they do the back, they do the origin story of a Jaclyn Hyde. She does Mary Riley. someone sits her down and says, now whatever you do, this patented signature smile of course, you're not going to smile or laugh. One fucking frame of this movie. Don't you dare. Right. We're going to go to the computer. So they do the movie and same thing. She's in a hotel restaurant. They're going, are you done now? Okay. Now, now you've finished. Let's get back to your work. Bring back those 200 teeth and we're gonna go to the well, John Wayne, John Wayne played Ganges Khan for one movie. That, that's all you need to know about. Let's say, hey, Duke, we're gonna go get back

in the saddle here, okay? Oh, yeah, look, I got one. Oh, yeah. It's courtroom, the verdict. Okay, there's Paul Newman again. So there's Newman, there's Newman with Lou Matz, who I mean, I just came today. I drove up to Vermont yesterday and came back from treat Williams Memorial, because of treat time. As you probably know, and I was talking to the crowd there and I said, here's a guy who, you know, you go

watch hair. And here he is, the Dionysian love god, the rock god, he's dancing on the table. He's so fucking amazing. And within a couple of years, he does Prince of the city. And I said, you're going to understand movies in New York, especially in the Met, the great, great film directors at the peak of their talent. I said, we're in Vermont and I go, the line of actors who wanted to be considered to play the lead in Prince of the City or any great male role in a lament. Well, the line was all the way to fucking Albany. Everybody in New York wanted that part, everybody. And Tric got there. And with Newman, he knew, like, there's my chance to dig down. Now, the Oscars were 83. I drove across the country for the first time to live in LA.

I drive to LA where they have an Oscar party. And Ben Kingsley wins for Gandhi. David's gonna go, he's gonna go. No, no, no. Sadly. Ben Kingsley wins for Gandhi. And I've always said that those people who win for biographical films of living people,

they bring the mantle of that person into the room too. So I'm not as excited, you know what I mean? Are you giving an Oscar to Ben Kingsley's performance or are you giving an Oscar to Gandhi? So when Newman lost in the verdict, which I think is one of the greatest 25 performances of all time, we like through our beer cans at the fucking TV,

we're like, squeaming in an outrage. But that's where we're right, the verdict. Great fucking thing. And James Mason, I use a bit, the money pays for my whiskey. I'm a skin. I love him. James Mason.

Yeah. Well, what do you think of DaneroNiro and Raging Bull just as a performance? That that's a pretty, that, well, D'Niro is someone who is a, he's got a bunch of them, but yeah. Well, he's very gifted, but he also has the great. I mean, he'd be the first to say, he has the great good fortune, especially during the, the genesis of this career of being part of a battery with a great director. Raging Bull, is it raging Bull? Is it raging Bull?

Raging Bull is raging Bull? Cause of Bob that, Marty. Oh yeah. In Michael Chapman, I mean, the way they shot it, the way they cut it. Yeah. I mean, Marty, I did a small part in the department. I did a small part in the aviator with Leo.

And, I mean, you know, you're just, so you're like, hi, you're so fucking thrilled to be in the party. Parted by itself. I don't know. Can you, what, what, what's that, I, could you describe for a second of what it's like to be honest with him? Is it just because he's so focused, so likable, what is it about being around him and

being directed by him? Well, you know, you get from him. Uh, maybe I'm super imposing this like he kind of telegraphs to you that we're going to do your scene here where you're outside the door. And I got a pipe and I'm talking to Leo through the door. How does long? And he's naked and he's pissing in the jars and he's in the other room. And you know with Marty that you're smart enough or at least you you're smart enough to know. It ain't about you.

So let's get four or five good takes. Get your pipe lit, get your lines down, get your angle to the camera. How are you gonna play? You're kind of, the door is here. If you don't talk to a door, because it's not the person. So you're kind of playing out

and you're doing everything you need to do and you want to get it over with quickly. Because you know that Marty wants to get in the room and Leo for the rest of the day. Leo, Leo, naked, pissing in the bottle, Leo with the matted hair. You get it. It's not about you. It's not about you. So you want to be efficient. And then they go off and they go like with the party. We did the departed. And you know, it was like Jack and Matt and those guys, they were the stars in the film. I just came in and I played my little notes

You know me. That's it. Just like a rat like a rat I remember when Nicholson went for that rat face. It's that's very bold in that moment in the departed But what's your favorite Nicholson movie? Hard to say, but I got one. Go ahead. Boy Go up. Let me hear yours. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll, um, if you're right there with that, I'm going to say, I'll tell you if you're right. Uh, what she will.

He's a minor reader. Of course you're, um, what is the name? Now I'm blank. Yeah, cause you guys. You got five easy pieces. No, no, that's close. I like that. And not China. I know the way love not China. Five easy pieces. No, no, that's close. I like that. And not China channel. The way I love China.

Not China town. I love China town. How much more? How much better can you eat? What can you have? You don't already have the future of Mr. Gifts. John Houston impression from Alex. My favorite story he told me, Jack, was that he's on the set at its Blansky and Houston and Jack and shooting these scenes between the

three of them. He said that there's Blansky holding forth and he's talking and talking and talking. Finally, he's finished talking and he said that Houston pronounced his name, Ro-Ma, he called him Ro-Ma. And he said that Houston, he said that Houston looks like Philanthropy. He says, he looks like Philanthropy. And he says, that Ro-Ma, there are really only two directions,

a little more and a little less. And I thought, you're fucking right. You're fucking right. Yeah. Well, you guys say something, but I look at this. Okay, I got an offshoot one while you're googling.

You tell me if it's me with me. Go ahead. No, this is a different one. This is a Pope a Greenwich village with I ain't going to be a fucking T-boy. A bed bug Eddie. With Eric Roberts. With Eric Roberts. Eric Roberts.

That's a good performance. It's a little not the obvious obvious one, right? My favorite my favorite Don't skim it you're skimming me. You know what? Okay, how about dear hunter for him and walking dear hunter for deniro and walkin This is this you do a great deniro my favorite my favorite Nicholson is iron weed iron weed with Merrill straight favorite Nicholson. Yeah probably will be makes me sob every time I cut Yeah, I'm gonna watch that tonight. I'm gonna watch that tonight. Iron I was gonna see it, but I was sick that day.

Do you need a no I'm not gonna do dinner because you're probably doing better. No, no, I don't do it. I just know I don't go in places where someone's are you know what? What do you when you did the nero did you're the one that was doing a little bit little bit? Well, we would do a Little bit my favorite was we did the Joe Pesci show we did we did the mock We did that on pesci for the other thing was the mock opening of good fellows And they get I took I mean I love going home to my neighborhood and massive people I didn't do today. I go my only board of mass people And it was Frankie the fish. And it was Louis, Louis the limp.

And then they get to the guy that goes, and it was Tommy six times. Because he said everything six times. I'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers, get the papers, get the papers, get the papers, get the papers. Fuck, I was not cold opening. I was out of focus Jimmy. You were out of focus Jimmy.

Oh my God. That's hysterical. I remember I just saw this on like Instagram They were panting they pan around like every fucking person the cast is in it and they go around everyone's got a different bit to do Well, the um when I go back to archivaly and watch stuff. Oh, I mean, I watch you know, I watched when I first came on there and it's like you know I'm very little bit stuff I'm in, except when we did the stupid thing. The only time I ever cracked when we did the show, and I think this was really the only

time I was with Hartman, and we did this thing called the environmentally sensitive model, which was a take on the wild one. And I played the Smarlin brand, and one thing I do is in Veronica, Victoria, which was a take on the wild one. And I played the Smarlin' Brando. And one thing I do is, Veronica Victoria Jackson's there, and they had her old dress, where her boobs are like too garbage can't stick in your face.

And she has a little sweater on her. And I walk up to her, she goes, can I come with you, Johnny? I take her sweat out, I go, and I pull it down, I go, yeah, you can come in. I have to think it a good look. So I ripped the sweater. But then in the end, Hartman had played the lines like every masterful actor he played the lines and threw them away until the take, until the end. And we do this, though, then we do the air episode. And the guy says, boss, we got to go. I'm, I'm just going to write off with his daughter into the sun setting. And

he's always the chemical company. And I go, and this, and this, and this henchman comes and goes, boss, we got to go. Take number seven's blowing two and all of a sudden Hartman who thrown the line away turns around with this perfect wine and his voice. And we have finally, he goes, take me with you. I just heard I heard him for a second. That's really you take me with you. He just did this, this horrible wine and I literally fucking cracked the glass. So good. The airship. Yeah. He wasn't, don't you love him? Oh, we're we're going to, we're going to do a tribute show to fill to talk about his way. In September, it's one or two dates at the groundlings, but you could zoom in and

talk to us about him. We, we, we, you want to say nice, Bill Hader and Will Ferrell, so many people have mentioned him as a touchstone and just the guy who could do anything. And we miss him. And so I just heard him for a second. I got a little emotional. Like, you captured it. The Sinatra report. Oh, yeah. I got chunks of stool bigger than you guys or whatever.

You always just... With a candle, he turned to Chris. I can't understand the word. And I can't. I'm just getting pops and bangs over here. Oh, something like that. When I go back and look at the show, that's what I look at. I look at this fucking guy so good, really, really, you know, will and Sherry and the

show. You guys Hans and Franz, my kids love Hans and Franz. I think that's fucking a story. That's very flattering at this point. What do they do? Oh, my kids, I watch my show, my kids, I see no. Yeah, what about you with the fake with the bad soap opera guy you've got Kanker. Um, remember this one. This might be the first show you're on because I remember bad soap opera green hilly where you're kissing every yeah,. And well, canteen boy was probably later.

Was that, that was early on or no? With you and San Luis. So, San Luis was a while ago, San. Maybe 90, 91. It was probably early on, because San Luis came on. Yeah. Not your first show. He came on probably the time you're there

a second or third show. Canteen boy was a fucking hilarious one that we all love. You were cool for doing it. Even though it took some, back then boy was a fucking hilarious one that we all love. You were cool for doing it. Even though it took some, uh, back then it was only letters. You could, you could ignore them better. It's not. Oh, yeah, they let her. Yeah.

Yeah, let it. We got a lot of letters about that. What was that woman's name? Who was the, uh, standards person? She had like an English accent. It wasn't coming to revert. She British. Yeah, I'm very, very, very sick.

Dickman. Yeah. I Pertick. Dickman. Yeah. I don't know if she was exactly standards, but it was a truly perck. Dickman. Was she. Yeah. I wish you a Andre Perck.

Dickman. And she was quite a character, lovely lady. Well, I love she I love when she would walk in in my earliest days. I found the process so funny. She'd come into Lawrence office. Oh, wherever they were for the notes. And she's like, and now you can't say bolds, but you can say pussy. And you can't say, they've scroven, you can't say dick. And she'd have a whole list. And here was this woman like

right out of Mary Poppins. You can't say suck or blow, but you can say, you can say, gobble the goo, you can't say, Spladoodle, you can say, fisting, but you can't say anal digits. Sorry, you can say streaming ropes of jizz. Yes, you can say fisting, but you must cut the back half of the line up to the shoulder. You can say squirting, but no, you can't say squirting, but you can say squirting. So for sweaty balls, did you give you notes for sweaty balls? I mean, that sounds. I just wrote in their wake. I mean, I get in there with them and I thought, I don't want it.

Literally, I'd sit there and keep this stone face and do it. And people say, oh, they love that sketch. I just thought, I just have to go with them. I have to get into their frequency. And they were so soft and so sincere and amazing. So I thought, just imitate them. Get into the vibe of the show and it worked. Because sometimes you do sketches and you lose the rhythm

between the live camera and the audience. One minute you're acting for the theater. And one minute, the next minute you're not. And I remember one time I played a guy who gets shot to pieces in a fox hole. It's like a World War I movie. And I grabbed this guy and I'm like, Jimmy, what's your do me a favor? Tell my wife and my kids that I love.

And he's like, oh, well, I will captain, I will. And he goes to walk away going, Jimmy, I pull him back. And everything I say is progressively more absurd. I'm like, Jimmy, I want you to tell my brother-in-law that a man that's paralyzed can never be more than half a man. You know? And it keeps escalating, yeah. I would keep going so bad, like things like you could never.

You do, I mean, you focus on that, which is cancellation now and things you could never do like that? Oh, yeah, I did an Asian character in 86. I had no idea it could never fly now. But on the third time we did it, Candace Bergen was the host and then we addressed it and she said, well, you are a bit of a racial stereotype. To me, in character, as this Asian character, this was 86, and even back then, it did get a little bit of noise. But I lived in San Francisco. I lived near Chinatown, so I'd known this guy,

I talked to him occasionally, he had a pet... Jaina, that's not an excuse, okay, that's the stuff. I lived near Chinatown. I lived near Chinatown. I lived in... I lived in... This is 40 years ago, folks. Hold your mouth.

Did you hear the one where you were a cop and you were sickened by a car ride? Would you, and you threw up? And they ran the hoses across the stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Up past like me and Fallon and up my arm. And I said, kid, listen, you don't have to get used to bodies like this, whatever the fuck it was, it burned you.

And Jimmy, and Jimmy, of course, was at the height of his cracking up in the middle of the stress of the room. Yeah. And so he's like snickering and sickering. And finally, so he sees the body and they had to hold our hands up and this very theatrical way because the little nub, the little nibb of the pipe was coming in the palm. So Jimmy would go like this and it is huge like garden hose projectile vomit spray would come out and

then him vomiting makes me vomit you know me so yeah but I want to say back to your Asian stereotype that I apologize thank no no no it's okay but I'll never forget like one of the deftest most unbelievable things I saw on the, which we did the Japanese game show with Chris. Oh my god. No, all about fucking. Yeah. And fucking Mike Myers comes out and plays the Japanese game show. And I was like, I remember sitting there going, I hear a really speed. That's got it.

Oh, really good. He now, he now, I was like, he was like, he was phonetically like actual Japanese language. He was like, he was like, he was like, Olivia. Yeah. So brilliant in that part. And Chris, I came here to see a game show. Happy, a game show. Quacky Serpinyku. And he gets it right at the end. And Myers going, Quacky Serpinyku. And then they chop someone's finger off, they get it wrong. goes, I, I, I, I, I, again, I don't speak.

I don't think I'm going to do anything. Oh, I know. I lose this. I look, they put it on to cut his balls. And then I, and then I lose me and treating Garoflo lose me chop our fingers off the head of the ceremony on that. And you see, you see, we're here and, and Far she's like, he's like, oh, God, you. Oh, my friend.

I'm so glad you're here. Dude, that's what's a good, all-time sketch. That is such a great. It's potent. It is potent, man. I mean, it just lies. Some sketches are like that. Just like you can't, you can't take a look away. I mean it's just lies. Some sketches are like that. Just like you can't you can't take a look away

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You mean, it's a lot of them. Do you watch it every now and then? I watch most shows. I'll be true confessional. Sunday morning when I'm having coffee and then they're all stacked and I'm able to watch. I watch the show that way. So I mean, I'm honestly.

Well, you got eight kids. I have seven kids. It would be up. Yeah, you're not up there. You can't afford a TV. Yeah. I'm a sleeper. I can't afford to run out bad.

No, I, Alec, I actually watch either Twitter Instagram, one of my follow-s and L, and what they do smartly is every sketch, as it comes out, it pops on your Twitter like the full sketch. So the next day, you can sift through, and you just can watch the whole one, or a chunk of update, or someone's been an update. So it's very convenient, and it still counts. I mean, you still get to see it.

I wish we had that back then. If you missed the show, you had to wait for a rerun for six months. I believe, oh, sorry, to interrupt. Just in terms of ratings, I think it's the highest rated show on NBC. I mean, in prime or late night. Yeah.

Once they did that, the prime time thing on the West Coast, when they moved that, the prime time, and they do it live, both places simultaneously, 830 and L.A., and 1130 in New York, that changed everything. I mean, they're printing money. And they do it live, both places simultaneously, 830 and L.A. and 1130 in New York. That changed everything. I mean, they're printing money. And they're going to get a couple billion YouTube views or 1.6 billion last year. And as you know, isn't it

funny how over the years, now I'm always going to, you know, exalt Lauren. And he's a dear friend of mine. But it's like, how many people have tried to take him down. I mean, how many people have tried? Oh, saddened. I'm dead. To shoot saddened. Get rid of saddened that live and kill it off. We have it somebody, you know, another network. And next season season is 49. He's a year away from his 50th season. There's no other personality that I know of before we get to the book of it, silly book. When you're at this point looking back ago, only Lauren could do all those frequencies. The Harvard people respect his intelligence.

He knows how to talk to network people. So many, there must have been so many times like let's do this pre-tap turn it into an hour. We should change the theme. It's getting boring. I mean, he's held to this brand all these years. And that's what makes it such a seminal show in history. And I just... No, so his understanding was very...

His understanding of certain things was frequently, maybe not every instance, but his understanding of the situation was frequently so pithy. Like when I did 30 Rock rock I knew one thing very early Because I done movies with people and I and I did movies back in the days when you had a 10 or 12 big schedule Yeah, it's not like shooting a movie in five days like now and And I was there on 30 rock and I knew one thing I said

She's my co-star. She's the creator of the show. She's the head writer But I'm on camera. So if I have any issues about the writing, I can't talk to her. I need to go. That's why I assigned and carlocked that role in BG. And I'd be going to my room and I'd say, well, I don't get going to say that out. I don't think I will. Let's say this a little less harshly. Let's say this a little differently. And there might have been one instance where she said to me, well, I really want you to do this as a bit. And, or something, it wasn't like a problem.

But then we said, it was like a one moment of the pain about something. And I'll never forget we're talking when they later on in law goes, remember she's German. Fay is German. Yeah, he was remember she's German. Yeah, well that's it. And you know we say things like that.. She's German. Yeah. Well, that's it. And you know, we say things like that. Remember, Lord, Lauren, like a lot of smart people would take a giant subject and get it down to

like four or five syllables, you know, like something like that. That's it. It's not going to give you a 10 minute speech about temperament or whatever. Remember, she's German. And that's all you have to do. He's the master of that. You send you flowers, send you presents, it's always a one line joke. What's your favorite lorinism or ones that most people know? Because I have one that I don't think everybody knows. But there's all, the classics are right or exactly. Those are the simple ones.

Mine is you'd be sitting there with the independentist house, and he'd be talking and you'll regaling you with stories of his real fans because his real fans are the ones from the original days. Steve Martin. Yeah. It's a Steve and Paul. There's two Paul Paul Paul. Yeah. The other, the other Paul. Yeah. Left handed Paul. Marty, Marty, Marty, Marty and Steve came by and I would say that you're in that that posse too. Yeah, he speaks. And Jasper came by.

That's Jasper. Tina. But my favorite thing is he would see what he would, his recall mechanism, his grouping thing which we all have. We have a thing we use to, to a week, what I call a recall. So he's telling a story as he goes to recall, he go, well, it's, you know, it's, it's like that thing where he's, it's like that thing where he's a, it's like that thing. Yeah.

And I was going to call my podcast, which is called, here's the thing. Yeah. And we're going to call it. It's like that thing. But then we thought, we thought, I'll show now, but let me ask you this. You guys started this. How long ago you could do this? How many years now?

No, you're, you're in a half. Was this a COVID born thing or not? Not really. It was just that the podcast in world had gotten so it had this bubble. Was this a COVID-born thing or not? Not really. It was just that the podcast in the world had gotten so, it had this bubble, it grew and it was going crazy. And then I had a little off label podcast. I was, I didn't know networker.

And I was doing, David came on radio. And so David and I riffing in our mutual manager, my goodness, he does a good impression. Hi Mark, if he's listening, said, you guys should do a show, a podcast. So we just thought we'd try it, my goodness, he does a good impression. Hi Mark, if he's listening, said, you guys should do a show, a podcast. So we just thought we'd try it, you know, because we liked hanging out. I moved back down to LA after raising my kids up

in Northern California, and I kept seeing David going out to dinner with David and stuff. So then we thought we'd try it. And then because we attached the SNL thing, we don't really know why, but for our purposes, it kind of got really big. We're like, damn. Yeah.

Yeah, I love that the guest list I've blown away. And I used to, you two, I mean, I had an address, a different address as rental, married to my ex-wife, Bobbie DeBot, for 30 years, from 1983 to 2013. Then after 2013, when my daughter on Ireland turned 18, I didn't have a place there anymore. And I haven't had a home there. We would go out there and hotel it for a while when we had we only had a couple of kids.

And my point is I haven't been out there forever. How is it out there now? What's it like? It's a little rough around the edges, David. As you would say, I mean, there's a huge homeless problem and a huge crime problem. And so you have to really watch yourself. They say come for the taxes, stay for the crime. But in the weather. And also, it's finally sunny today. It hasn't been sunny, Alec, for six months. And if all these other things are going on,

at least give us some sun. It's a little different. I mean, I just like, I'm from Arizona, so I like this side of the country. I wasn't ever like an East Coast guy, but it's getting a little trick here. Did you struggle? Did you struggle in New York getting in like it? I liked it.

It was interesting, but I didn't really feel any roots there, any home. So when we had weeks off, really? Farley would go to Wisconsin. Adam would go to New Hampshire. Chris Rock would go to Brooklyn. And I would just sometimes fly back home to LA and come back, but my brother was there for a while,

and so I'd see them. One time I saw Alec Baldwin outside of, I think it was by Ollie's in the West Side, and it was only after I met you once on the one. I didn't see him from that. He's not from that. No, I, you were a superstar, and some guy goes, hey,

Squeeves, go over, you said something funny, Squeaks from my act. And then you pulled your parka down and you pulled your dick out. No, you pulled your parka down and you said, I pulled your dick out. You have to see it with me. You have to see it with me. You have to see it with me.

You have to see it with me. You have to see it with me. You have to see it with me. You have to see it with me. You have to see it with me. You have to see it with me. You have sorry. Go ahead. Anyway, so you started jerking off. And no, you pulled your, your pocket out and you go, hey, it's me, Alec from the show. I go, well, I know Alec. Why do you know me? So it was very, I actually wrote on that for a while.

It gave me a little street cred. You know what's funny? Was it because I was there? Was when Stern and his wife had that benefit of the car. Oh, you there. I was there. And you fucking killed you were so funny. You did a stand-up thing for the benefit.

And you were so fucking funny. I didn't know you were there. It was scary thing. You were fantastic. How long it was? Was it a tough crowd in your mind? David, or do you remember killing me? It was pretty nice because I started,

it was very small, it was for Beth, the Stern's Animal Foundation. And so it was kind of, it was really fun to do. But I think Bon Jovi, John was there maybe, I don't know if you saw him, but. A lot of our neighbors, yeah. It was all a little squat out there. And it was nerve-wracking because it was mostly these kind of guys.

It was more fun. By the way, Lauren, of course, throws you off because they go, there's going to be an empty seat next to Lauren for Jack. Jack might come and sit directly in front of you in the front row. That makes me feel sick because we've all seen Ironweed. Anyway, I do my act, I joke around with Beth, I make fun of her, I make fun of, and then I sort of got in the act at about 30, 40, but it was super fun and got to go to Lauren's after. And what was the joke you made about drugs? It was something you said about

scoring drugs or something you said, which I literally, I literally like sharded when you said about scoring drugs or something you say. Maybe it was. Which I literally like sharded when you said that. I don't know. I'll say it and then you'll be like, no, it wasn't that. It was like I said, whenever I take drugs, my loser friends always, whenever I take any pill out of my pocket, my buddy goes, give me one. I go, you don't even know what it is. He goes, come on, dude, I'm married.

I go, what does that mean? I go, this one's for a sinus infection. It gives you cramps. He goes, come on dude, I got kids, I'll take anything. So I give it to him. Because he wants it to be a bike. And then I see him cramped over a half hour later and then he gives me the thumbs up.

It's different, I'll take it. So anyway, Alec, it's not that joke, but there's a whole thing. I'll send you a link to my schedule. It was a better joke. It was a better joke. You fucking asshole. I knew you're gonna say that no matter what I said I fell into that David is called our guest of

I logroger Yeah, um the um so LA where I lived everything I mean I lived in Venice. I mean I remember I you know, I mean you don't know Venice man. I'm a member of Venice. I'm a ski.. I remember Venice. Yeah, Venice. You don't know, man. Venice. You don't know. Venice speech and Venice when they sell with LSD, because I was on roller skates. Yeah.

Yeah. Roller skates. Now go and sit, sit. I got you sit. I got you sit. Yeah. And we would, we would hang out there. And I remember it was like, right, light's big city.

Literally, it was Jay Macaron and he's my neighbor. And it was like bright light's big, because I would be so fucking waste. But remember, I always say tell people, because I'm 38 years old, and I don't fucking for a while there. Right, so you party pretty well. I have, I have my moment. But the point is that in New York,

as we always discuss with people, is in New York, somebody else is doing the drive. You're back in the 80s, you're on your feet, you walk everywhere, at 10 bars every street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Taxes don't uber then, subway, a lot of subway.

And we will be fucking shit-faced every night. I go to LA and I start making money. And I'm shit-faced every night behind the wheel of a car. And I get to like the second year of me doing it. I think I had a five-liter Mustang. I met Warner Brothers and I want to go home because I'm tired. It's two o'clock in the Mustang, I met Warner Brothers and I want to go home because I'm tired. It's two o'clock in the morning and I met Warner Brothers and I'm living Venice. But at the time I get to the 10 freeway, going west toward the beach, I get me here, like,

one of those streets there, sent in Bella or whatever the fuck it is. And I'm going to flat now, I, when it tells me this car will do, bloody blood, and I flat in this car out, and I'm doing 135 miles an hour on the Santa Monica freeway to a clock in the morning. And remember, I literally thought for a moment, I stopped and I thought, if I had a car accident now,

I would just turn into a pizza. I've just become a pizza. And I said, I gotta stop. So I stopped, I slowed the car down, got sober, gave the car to a friend, I gave it away. I said, you can have an adult, a friend's kid. And the point is that, you know, I lived out there, and I lived everywhere. I lived in the valley, beach, canyon, and it's just so weird to be such a huge part of my life.

And I never go there and never, never, never. Do you know what I get offered work? Because here in New York, because here in New York, it's easier here, because in New York, we've been stepping over bodies for decades here. I mean, it's no big deal to us. The minute I get this, you guys are all little. We got a bit of Venice.

Venice is really bad for that. I mean, I'm not making fun of homeless people. They're great, you know, they're not great. I'd be up all night, and the sun's coming up, and then you hear, eh, you hear the sand graders out of the beach. Then you'd hear the power washers where they would wash all the filth off the benches on the ocean front wall in a truck with a tank on it. And by the time you woke up on Monday after

me because you've been sleeping all morning and you were self fucked up, you'd go out on the beach and everything was gleaming. It was like the little window Monday afternoon and Tuesday during the day that Venice was like fresh and new, you know what I mean? And I loved living that slow. But people say, yeah, people still, I mean, there's not any parts are nice. Not getting specific. Where are you? Are you? Are you east? I'll just give you the centrist that to the centralized Pretty much in Hollywood And in the hill a bit just I use it. It's not even barely hills anymore as my dad said kind of slide down the old fame ladder Huh if you're but dad is supportive

Jason Schwartzman had the best line. I did a commercial with him It's absolutely horrible commercial and I fell in in love with him. He said, just sweetie. That we did a commercial for Amazon Alexa and it was the biggest fucking waste of my time, but I loved him. And I turned him and I go, and I forgot what I knew his mom was, but I just went out of my hand to him and I go,

where did you go up? And you saw this pause, like he was a kind of machine. And he was kind of awkward. And I go, where did you go up? And the pause, he goes, westward north of sunset. Yeah, you got to clarify. I mean, sunset plaza, which is fully fucking. I know sunset plaza.

Yeah, that's, I mean parts of it. And I have a tenth of an acre. I'm not doing too bad. It's actually, well, it's quite a like land. It's a nice house. Yeah, but it's good. Alec, what about that, what did he, I don't know if he knows about that book, Burn It Down.

Did you hear that? I don't book that. Yeah, I mean, the one where the woman is attacking everybody, listen, I mean, I've been attacked. You know, I've had people attack me. Oh yeah. It's always the same tired. I mean, I'm just facing as you, as you get older, you realize.

Some of it I brought on myself. Some of it not. And you must always tell yourself it's hard, but you must always tell yourself that tired trope, which is considered the source. So like I said, if Letterman made fun of, if Ellen DeGeneres, somebody I might, Chris Rock made fun of me then I really be upset

I'd be sad. Mm-hmm Some of the people that over the years especially recently that have attacked me are people who I don't think are funny They don't have any talent. They're just a biodecked of hatred for people online and so forth So it's like I know what I really doesn't buy they're not anybody who I give them too much because I've been around people I gave that image to you David David, of the long-roaming thing. I did early them. I did let them in when he was doing the Oatshaw on MDC late at night. And he could just gut you. He was so clever. Sure. And so quick. And you were very, very, you know, when everything you said was like, well,

Redwire Greenwire. Because it's like in the old episode's mission impossible where it's like the guys here like which wire to my cut the red wire or the green wire to defuse the bomb. When you're caught with a decision, a prick decision that could be fatal, we always say red wire green wire, my friends and I, and it's like with letterman it was like, you know, don't, he's going to kill you. He's in a log road and there's a handful of people I've met who are just that witty and that quick, like Spain. And Spain is so quick.

And it's an attina. And it's just, but when those people did me in, it's a little bit more disconcerting. But there's a lot of them where you sit there and go, is that all you got? You know, it's like, well, some of them come from a fun place and some feel really going after. And that's the difference. Like, I've made fun of people on Hollywood minute and stuff. I, and I like 99% of them. I don't do it as much anymore. But when I make fun of people, it's usually with more of a spin and fun, but sometimes it feels too rough, you know, and you go, that one is sort of directly at someone, and that's

tougher to take. Because, you know, we all go ahead, people, what? No, I'm just saying, when people make fun of me, I don't like it as much as when I make fun of them. It's basically. Well, it's funny how we all know. We're all old enough to know, especially me. I'm a bit older than you guys. No, no, I'm older than you. I'll get to

that later. I'm 65. I hold here. Hey, 68. You're like a kid. No. Are you fucking kidding me? You're like a kid to me. You're like a baby. The crib. You're like a high school. But you sound like a child. I mean, you sound like a child over time. You should see as a winner. Hi. Well, you say you sound like an Asian child. Every impression is Asian. Yeah. Do the Asian child.

But you know, but you guys know looking back, because we all started devouring content. Whatever it was, I started devouring the old Warner Brothers gangster movies when I was 10 years old. I watched Dean Martin Rose. I wasn't going to watch. I mean, I watched TV up to a certain point. I watched series TV until a certain era. I watched The Monsters and Gilligan's Island, Beverly Hillbilly's and all this other shit. And I watched Mr. Ed and the Ed Sullivan Show and candid camera when I was a little boy then when we get to what I call the Aaron Spelling epoch I turned off TV I didn't watch I watched one show loveboat or that's the hotel which I was on actually but the hotel with James

Brolin but the gag is that you know I watched one show when I was like in high school and I was a teenager. I just felt like a big fatty out the window of my bedroom and I watched Mary Hart the Mary Hart and I was addicted to that show. I started getting me going to movies. But my point is that we all know from watching Dean Martin Rose and things, that when Riggles would attack people, everybody was in on the gag and he always ended it with a little doll up of love, a little PSI love you, you know what I mean?

When Joan Rivers would do her thing, which she could just, this way, she did a lot of it to their faces, like there's a clip online of her just pissing in the face of all the hosts of the view and saying things about him. It's the funniest thing you've ever seen in a while. But same with her, she knew they were in on the gag and sometimes not. But she was, she was good at it. But there's other people now who I've seen recently, a couple lately, where it just, there is no bother. I mean, there is normally there was a bother. And now there was no bother. They will say anything, they will say anything. That's kind of, so.

Well, we're in the era of, this is maybe the biggest cliche, but if it's outrageous, it's contagious. So people, you know, how do you be outrageous? How do you get attention? How do you trend? How do you make noise, you know, and kind of dovetails into these things? Criticism. That's why I'm quitting.

I'm retiring. I'm retiring. I'm done. We got if we finally, well, are we going to trend? We don't we never trend. We're retiring. Yeah. Thank you. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to couple projects that I'm retiring. I'm retiring. I'm done. We got if we finally are we gonna trend we don't we never trend. We're retiring. Yeah. Thank you I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna a couple projects that I'm attached to yeah, and I'm gonna do these projects and then I really I realize I've gone From COVID and then of course a very difficult period of what happened in New Mexico where I was kind of cloistered I have I have

I have been home with my kids and left either shot in New York, I filmed in New York, or I went away almost never. I go like a week, I come back, maybe twice a year. I've been home with my kids and I drive my kids to school every day. My four oldest ones go to school together and they go to a full language immersion program in Brooklyn and Spanish. And I'm with my kids, and it's like, I've rode my kayak into this current, and I can't get out. Like, I don't wanna miss being with my family,

being with my wife, being with my kids. When you gotta offer me the check or you gotta give me the towering creative opportunity. I'm like, I don't fucking care anything. I've done acting is something which I don't have the same feeling. My kids all have a very, very, my kids are New Yorkers.

So there's really kind of a, there's a Pesciesque, Deiro-esque, machino-esque. They're tough. Gids, that. Yeah, no, they're tough. So like, one, one, my son, Romeo, who's the most beatific? I mean, I used to look at pictures of my son, Romeo, online. He's absolutely the most beautiful boy you've ever seen.

And we're in the last summer, we're in the playroom, and I say, listen, Paul, we're going to go have dinner. I go, leave the toys here. So leave the puzzles of the toys here. We're going to go have dinner. And then because when you bring the toys with the Eudone, so let's leave the toys here and then after dinner, we'll come back and we'll play the toys. And he stares at me. It's like an Eastwood movie. He stares at me and he goes, you're a bitch. And I literally start to hyperventilate. I start to grab my chest and I go, what did you say?

And he doubles that and he goes, I'll call you a bitch. Like, you know, I would see you a bitch and I raise you one bitch. I call my wife in the room and you realize they get all this on YouTube. So we have their paths filtered. But if they get a hold of my path and they go on my safari and they go and watch, you know, they're watching Good fellow. We call it you a bitch Watch they're watching that new series of Netflix you and bitch

Call you a bitch Yeah, so he sees that somewhere and now he's using it with you, which is very balsy. Sorry, but what age and what size is that would have been when he calls you to take him? Age is a little, he's a little, he's the size of a touchy world. He's a fucking kid. I have things for dinner bigger than him. He's like, he's, but my son, my son, my son, my son Rafael just turned eight. He's getting a little bit'm like here my son Leo is

Seven my son Romano is five and my son Eduardo is two and a half. There'll be three But my point is is that it's like Watching human development in real time being around and watching them change watching them try to tell a joke Yeah, for the first time trying to be funny Oh, yeah To watch when they have some real generosity between them, when they're really together was a unit and they love each other, when it's not a Hagler herds here Friday night.

You know, it's just something that's very hard for me to give up. So I mean, I want to work, but I hate to leave. Those are nice moments. It's getting to know a human being from the inside out. Now, Spade, you have a, you see, if a daughter, how old is she? 14. She's 14. Yeah. And you're raised in LA. No, she's in, she's in the Midwest. She doesn't live with me.

We'll do a side chat. She's live with me, but we can deamlate. And I'm seeing her next week. So I see her side chat. She's alive with me, but we can DM later. She's great, and I'm seeing her next week. So I see her a lot. It's just, it's not the perfect typical situation. I have them, you know what I mean? So my daughter, Ireland, is out of David. So I occupy that rare space.

My daughter, Ireland had a little girl named Holland, and that's a tradition about family, and they're having her children after country is a big doesn't for world. You know, Alec, I talked to Ireland once. I think she's about eight. This isn't called to a bitch. She said you're a bitch.

She called me and then she hung up. But I had caller ID. No, she, no, Kim, I worked out where Kim did and she had just seen the Emperors new groove and old cartoon movie I did. And she said, would you call Ireland as the llama? I was played a llama. It's online, I'll send you a link. So I call, because Ireland's just a little kid

that likes that movie, so she talked to me like, I don't even know what I'm saying. But anyway, you get it. It's called I'm a great guy, whatever. That's the more I love. Don't you love doing animation? Oh, yeah. I'll say this without an ounce of irony or sarcasm.

People say to me, what do you think is the greatest movie you ever worked in? What's the best movie you ever made? Well, it hasn't. I go boss baby. Boss baby. Oh, yeah. It's going to be a good man.

I had more fun. Those guys, because as you know, the concept of one line on it is the animation is so thrilling because, and your imagination, keep up with technology. And because you can do anything. What have you got? So great. And I would do tomahgraph who directed and do those things. And there's a lot of voices in that a gas car, did the penguin and that a gas car. So I mean, tomahgraph, he made me fucking cry. And I would do, I had more fun doing the first boss, maybe in the second one too, but the first one was like the first one. So it was so great. And I love doing animation. Love, love, love, love. I think boss baby was funnier than it was supposed to be because I heard so much about it.

It was like, you never know what those things, you know, you do it. And, uh, but the arcs, I mean, like, I'm never sitting in the picture. I'm in my kids' playroom. I'm in my kids' playroom right now, because the only room that's quiet because they're out of here. And, um, I'm a, I'm a, doing boss baby. And like a year later, because I never watch playing films. I can't stand it much like those. And I almost never did.

And so, but I'm sitting with my kids and they want to watch Boston. And I watch it. And I just took any tears in my eyes. And I called Tom, I called Tom. This movie is so beautifully done like the artwork. I mean, the dish. And the artwork is so, I mean, those guys,

they blew my mind. You do still do a lot of that, Dana? Any, uh, I did a couple of secret life of pets. First one was shoes, second one didn't do so good. I have a ride at Universal. I, they basically asked me to do the Grumpy Old Man as a dog. I don't like the way things are.

So I was a bassin' howon and I had wheels for hind legs. He was sort of crippled, but I just randomly, this is a complete non-sequitor. Two of my favorite performances of movie stars and they're very operatic, they're theatrical. What one is Robert Shaw as Quint and Jaws. The book, the book end is Al Pacino as Scarface.

Yes. Those are both operatic, rhythmic things that just really have always stuck with me. In both movies, by the way, too, are just... Now your boys, give two boys. Two boys, yes. And how old are they now? 29 and 31.

And are any of them into this? One is, it has a production company and he's doing stuff. I've done stuff with both of them. A scripted podcast called The Weird Place. So they've been trundling along. They've done some stand-up. I think my youngest is really,

it sounds, it's, he's wants to be a farmer, which I love. I mean, really cross, cross pollinating and growing. Where is he? Where is he? He's up here in the farm. Yeah. He's at farm aid. He's at the farm.

Where, uh, yeah, you're in the location. We are exactly. Yeah. Well, he, Alec knows L.A. and he misses it. Yes, he come out. Could I just on this? I miss, yeah. Yeah, I just want on this subject

because I love movies so much. But I just want to say a movie of yours that there's two here that are on our dial for my wife and I The the edge anytime relatives come. Oh, we're gonna watch it We're gonna watch a movie and if they haven't seen the edge because I'll You an anthachy movie My favorite movie to shoot Because when I was in I was on vacation with Max wife. I flown to L.A. and done a read through with mammoth and mammoth rotoscopy. It was called Bookworm

originally. It was much more, it was much more a a roque before they changed it. And David wrote the screenplay and we go to a reading and Demiro was going to play the lead. And the character is named Charles Morrison. he's the sion of a very wealthy English family, whatever very rich guy. And I think that the hero realized that he was more stop roast me arcos than he was Charles Moore. So he was not off the Mayflower time. So he bowed out. And I'm on the issue with my ex-spec, the phone rings and they said they got Tony Hopkins

to play with me. And I burst out sobbing. I thought my greatest dream to work with Tony. So we go off to the Canadian Rockies and we shoot it up in Beth. And I have so many memories. Harold Perrin was in loss. He played, he, there were two great lines, none of them by me, but so Harold Perrin against the rehearsal.

And he sits at the table. We're going to be rehearsed in this Let's hotel ballroom thing they had conference and Harold perilous. He goes Anthony Hopkins Alec Baldwin and me a wonder which one the bad is going to eat first And he was fun and then Tony you know because he's from the same town as Berk And of course, it's a great well richer Burton with that. Yeah, well, yeah, he's from the same town as Bert. And of course, it's a great well-Richard Berton with that. Yeah, well-Richard Berton. He's great with him. Well, he has a great well-schron and raised

and trained by the foot of Olivia and the national he could do his Berton. So we would do dueling Bertons. We would do dueling impersonations of Richard Berton. And Tony and Tony won. He, the crew applauded him with a lunch table because he did his, we would go back and Tony won. He, the crew applauded him with lunch table, as he did his, we were called back and forth sometimes. And finally, he got it down to a high coup. And, and,

and he looked at me, he did. He looked at me and he goes, he goes, I can't do it. Elizabeth was my voice. No, he did, he literally, he goes, he goes, Elizabeth, wobbles and stones. He goes, Elizabeth, wobbles of a stone white wine. And then he plants his face and his face. And it passes out and there was lunch tray. And everybody would say it's over. He's the winner. He's the director.

I had the same thing with him. I did a movie that was not well received. Road to well. Road to well with Anthony Hopkins. And we did a love road to well. It was it was unique. I love road to well. I love that. I was the Nair to Well son, but I got to hang out with him and do stuff with him and love them. Love it now. Parker, Parker, right? Yeah. Yeah. Alan Parker. Alan Parker. I love road to well. I love

it. You know, when I was used to embarrass myself, whenever you love a movie that the star considers a misfire, um, yeah, I, I always say that whenever I see H to embarrass myself. Whenever you love a movie that the star considers a misfire, and I always say that whenever I see Hanks, I say, I love Joe versus the ball came. And was it too fine? And he's like, okay, like he doesn't really know how to do with that. But what was the other movie you were gonna mention?

The edge and what? Well, the edge and then another one that just, is complicated. I just thought you that just is it's complicated. I thought you were just so funny in that. I mean, you really went, I mean, it was a sterical. Well, I always carried Nancy Myers asked her to do that. She said to me, she said, do you care that Marra was nine years older than when you prepared to play her love interest in a film?

And she goes, because the men do it all the time. The men have leading ladies and they're far younger than them. And they seem to get them over. And she's going on and on and on about it. And I go, I said, Nancy, I said, my character doesn't want bangs, ex-wife. I said, my character still in love with this ex-wife. So that's a huge difference. And I said, and so to fall in love with Merrill, it's probably the easiest thing I'm never going to do. I mean, like, I'm going to steal your money. Like, it on the set. And Merrill really was like, like, among the most amazing people I've ever met. She's sexy. Now, both of you named someone before we run out of time here. No, why?

Before we run out of time here. We're on a team. We're so long as we were. No, God, what's your question? But, but, but, but, but, We run a time here. We run a time here. We run a time here. We run a time here. We run a time here. We run a time here. We run a time here.

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So funny. That's like Mickey Rene. Mickey was an eccentric, I would say, just where I was in my live being cast as the third lead with Bert Landcaster and Kirk Douglas's last movie, not a great movie, but to hang out with them. And it's called tough guys. I know, you did you ever hear my story about that movie? No, I have stories about tough guys. Uh, uh, uh, uh, speak what do you mean? A dog biscuit or a gross guy cook your tellers story.

Don't want to be on the beach. He's got it, but he's up a client. Same. So he's got to eat it. If you're walking out, out. It's like, like, no, wait, like Sherry said in the podcast, yeah, I was your turn to pay, you're turned to pay a few of those. And the way, and the way to says, your friend is passed out in the bathroom.

Yes. Sherry was. He out in the bathroom. Yes. Sherry was one of my savings. Yeah. Sherry was so. Go ahead. The famous story that the guy brings the stack of the PA brings the stack of glossies. Knocks on the door. Hands the stack glossies to Bert Lancaster.

Hands him a pen. Bert Lancaster signs a glass. He goes, that doesn't look very good. But you have another pen, you have a shoppy. And the guy calls it, yes, he has to show, so he signs Bert Lancaster. He signs all the glasses. And so the guy takes the pen, regular pen, trots over to Kirk Douglas's trail and hands in the glasses. He signs a Kirk Douglas, he sees how scrawly he is next to Bert's's name and he goes, do you have the other pen? Can you go get the other pen for me? And he goes running back to Bert like his sister, locks in the door

and Bert Lanker comes out, Bert Lankister comes in the door with a sharpie and says, I suppose you're looking for this. He knew. Yeah, they had a confidate. He knew. They knew each other. They knew each other. I saw him when they did the concert version, because here for years, they've had great success at City Center with uncles. The uncle was probably where Chicago was birthed from there. And they do all the shows, concert style.

They're not going to get a full production in New York again, a voice in Syracuse, Theorello, all that. So the seasons, for years and years and years now used to be on the board of city center with Joe Ann Woodward Chief Corral, I mean, to do that, Heron Paul, and the seasons. So they decided to try to do that in LA, and it was called reprise. And they did this beautiful, wonderful musical rendition of all about Eves. And Stockard Channing played the Margot, Stockard Channing played the Margot Channing role

in the Betty Dings, Callista Flockard played Eves. What's his name? Why am I blanking out? Allie Mickey. All right, Allie Mickey. I wouldn't know what's his name. Tim, Tim, Rocky Hard, Tim Curry. Tim Curry.

Tim Curry. Tim Curry played the George Sanders role. I mean, the cast was fucking unbelievable. But the opening of it was this big, gigantic, tough did. I want to say, Sheds or a bed in the curtains part. And the thing is moving toward the audience and it's curtain Douglas is the narrate Wow sitting on this bed and what a way to open a fucking show and he'd already have a stroke He'd have a stroke. So his voice was not that bad

But he was impaired, but you didn't care. You're just sitting there going. Oh my god the opening of the show is fucking Kirk Douglas who I worship worshiped I as he he was one of the few movie stars who was also a great act for one of those guys had their own production companies they do their sort of art film and then they do the studio film I mean they were really for and just sitting listening to them and the way they teased each other it was very it was just it just, that was me out of body. Like I'm in a movie with Kirk Douglas and Berlin. It doesn't make sense.

This was a year before we got SNL. My other favorite Kirk Douglas story is, he apparently he's on the set of like, whatever the movie was him and Wayne, with John Ford, the War Wagon. Something, I'll look it up. The War Wagon.

They're on the set of a movie. And Kirk Douglas walks up the John Wayne and he says the war wagon. I think I think it's so proud. It wasn't at the war wagon. They started over that William Holden. So I know it was Kirk Douglas. I thought looking up the war wagon. You're making me John Wayne Alex still trying to figure out how to spell Nicholson. Yes. He's Googling again, everyone. He's gonna log. I'm sure he's gonna log. I'll roll you if you're not dead. If you're not dead, I'll say Dana, he's the only one of two people with a standing

invitation every year to host us. Not anymore. Why not? Not anymore. No, there was, I mean, I once I did the, uh, it's swear wagon. You little bitch. You little bitch. You little bitch.

We watched, we watched, we watched, call you a bitch. We watched a lot of movies in our house, Alex. Lots of movies. You still have a car with a bitch. I lack of a wiggins. There's nothing to lack of a wiggins for war. You remember what the plot was? It was a, what you could put stuff in it.

It was impenetrable. No one could. Who directed it? Who directed it in harm's way, premature? Premature, yes. I saw that recently. Jesus, we're going back. I'm too young for this combo.

Could I just insert while you keep looking here? Because this is just to embarrass Alex. He's incredibly philanthropic based on what I read in terms of really being incredibly generous with his money. So anyway, that's just something it's nice to say. Yeah. Not that you. Well, I would do shows.

I did jobs, which the whole purpose of doing them, whereas reservoirs of money from my foundation, like when I did the match game, until I want to host a game show, no. I went in there and did the show, we did three seasons and they paid me a lot of money. They paid me so much fucking money. I love hearing that. But then in my foundation, put the money in the foundation,

I did five years of capital one. Capital one. Yes. They paid me a lot of money over five years, a ton of money, gave all that away. Did they do the Amazon? I would always look for gigs like Amazon Alexa, they pay everything where they pay me

and these gigs and that goes into the foundation. And what is the foundation? I've done your purpose. What's it named for? Mostly arts related. I mean, we have some environmental, some alma mater, my wife and I both went to NYU. But predominantly it's arts to Hampton's

film festival. New York, filler Monarch. You're a filmonic, yeah. NYU Tish, where I went to school. But the point is that I'm assuming either, NYU Tish, where I'm at school. But the point is that, but I'm assuming either one of you guys, you know, when you have a good time, it doesn't fucking matter. You can be ringing the bell with a bunch of guys

and playing Santa Claus for the Salvation Army on the corner. If you're having fun, you're having fun. And I want to go do a match game. And some guy writes on the interview, he writes the final nail. Oh, I like it was the money. Yeah, the final nail and Alec Baldwin's career coffin, they write.

And I went to do match game. Jen Mullin, who runs free metal, where they were the producers, and Scott, the other producer, all of them. I went to do match game. I had more fun doing a match game. You could possibly fuck you. We had a ball. We had a ball. And it was like. I went to do magic. I had more fun doing magic. You could possibly fuck you. We had a ball.

We had a ball. And it was like SNL. I mean, SNL was a different animal because it's much more. But I first did SNL. I'll never forget, like, you're kind of high. You're kind of in its blurry. And then finally, Adana, the dresser,

grabbed me and she throws me in the booth and she says, we gotta get your dress for good nights. And I go, what? She goes, it's over. And I go, it's over. It went by like it was 20 minutes. Oh, yeah. It was such a blur. It was so insane.

And then so, but other than the intensity of that, a match game, I had so much fun. I mean, we have people kind of a ratio was my I always say the edge of the day is so three on top three on the bottom and the two closest to me they're my winged that Carol I ratio I mean I have people there were my winged I mean I could always throw the playoff of yeah exactly they'd always come up with something light and fun and keep the ball in the air and I and then there were people on the show who were like, and we just made fun of them.

They give us an answer and I'd be like, I don't want to name it, and you can just watch the show. I'm like, we're like, on the air, I go, you've got to be fucking kidding me. That's your answer. Are you the fucking kidding me? I'm not looking.

We were just smack them, you know? But can't, are we living in the age where you can do anything? Like I turned down a lot of commercials in the 90s? Because it was, you know, wasn't considered you're not supposed to do commercials. I mean, Jay Leno did Doritos other than that. But it seems like everyone does commercials,

everyone does game shows. We're in the age of everyone does everything. And also people talk about money a lot more and they're brand and protecting their company. When I started in this business, you didn't sell it in sell alcohol. No, you didn't sell alcohol. I don't care if you'll never get a castle in the northern part of Italy. You didn't sell alcohol. You know, I mean, you know, alcohol sales, no tobacco sales. Remember they used to fly movie starts would fly. They paid you a million dollars

for one day to fly the self-suntory whiskey in Japan. You never sold any of the states. No alcohol, no tobacco and all that kind of stuff. And now, I mean, I did capital one a long time when we were doing 30 Rock. And when you're on TV, they're way to be on TV anymore. You know, when you're on TV, you can invite the terrific talk. But when you're not on TV, you don't. So I invited to do the capital one thing when I was on 30 Rock. And I'm not saying I'm a pioneer about saying

I'm like, you know, fucking the gel in here of commercials for actors. But now that the dam is broken, everybody does. Well, and they get their own brand. They make their own tequila is huge hundreds of millions of dollars. You know, these actors becoming entrepreneurs in sort of multi-hundred million dollar generational billion. Then there's people who like, if you're not careful, you can't remember what it is they're selling because they're selling like Ryan Reynolds.

She's like, he's selling party balloons, or does he sell? Does he sell, does he sell? Or phone, or phone, or brand brand muffins or what does he sell? I forget. He's an entrepreneur. He's just an entrepreneur. He just does everything. But the problem is we're just we're just jealous. Yeah. Well, did you I'm just curious for a second. You being philanthropic at that level. I don't know how much money you had at the time, but it seems this is something from your

childhood or being raised Catholic or is it a familial thing or what do you think this comes to? I've never, the numbers I've seen are just extremely generous, like extremely philanthropic. Well, I mean, Philanthropy becomes something you're addicted to and you can make a big mistake. I went to a Philanthropy conference that Credit Suisse held because Credit Suisse was a huge underwriter of the full harmonics day in platinum. And I went to this thing at a hotel here in New York and it wasn't even, right? I just that would always get us. And the guys, if you remember, philanthropy isn't about

you giving me a million dollars this year. Philanthropy is about me being able to make plans, you're going to give me $50,000 for the next 20 20. Right. I need to be, I need a reliable reservoir, reliable pipeline of money to make, I got people to make plants. So don't give me a big check once. Give me a nice check for 20 years, and that's the mistake I made with me gave a million dollar checks. And I kind of got drunk on philanthropy. You know what I mean?

It's a great, you kind of get high. Yeah. Let me say some of my kids are going to come charging through the store any minute now. No, I'll say, yeah, what do you have any final statement? Anything further out? What is that? I want to say, I want to say, Dana, I owe you for my Trump. I totally stole your naguida. I told you so school of impersonation. No, no, no, no, no he's it. He's it. That's a brilliant impression. And my last thing to spade is Thank you for not long running me and I call you a bitch. Okay. No, I had a blast.

Dude, I love talking like this was one of the easiest podcasts I've ever done. I just love listening to your stories. Great. Really, really. Thank you so much. Love. Stay safe. Stay safe. Talk to you soon. This has been a podcast presentation of Cadence 13. Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes available now for free wherever you get your podcast. No joke, folks. Flying the Wall has been a presentation of Cadence XIII, executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Chris Corqurin of Cadence XIII and Charlie Feinen of Brillstein Entertainment.

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