Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Alien Truths, Government Secrets: Dan Farah Talks The Age of Disclosure

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Dana and David kick things off with the big stuff: the potential Netflix–Warner Bros. merger—and the very bold text David sent Ted Sarandos about it. Then they sit down with director-producer Dan Farah to unpack his hit documentary The Age of Disclosure, the SXSW standout that went on to become Amazon Prime Video’s highest-grossing documentary ever. Farah walks the guys through the filmmaking process, the questions that still linger, and which films—like Close Encounters and The Abyss—surprisingly get the phenomenon right. And don’t miss the lively “Buzzing Around” segment after the interview. (You can check out Dan's doc at https://www.primevideo.com/detail/The-Age-of-Disclosure/0NVVP9AVUZEJKG9CJC4RQE9J27). To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And we're going to break that down. Are we alone in the universe? Can we answer that question? Yes. Are there aliens amongst us? Yes. I have a lot of questions for this guy. technology and spaceships and all of it so anyway that it's uh yeah that's the number one rental

and number one movie on amazon prime right now beating all the big ones we talk about that too uh before we get to him dana very quickly just to bore the shit okay oh there was a big what you got in showbiz news there was a netflix merger with who Warner brothers right that it owns Harry Potter, and I'm supposed to work for Netflix again next year. So I'm really vested in this. It really means a lot. Does it? Are you feeling? Well, it's also Larry Ellison of Paramount pitchers is not giving up and making a hostile bid going over the, going to the shareholders, making a case at 78 billion. Our friend, Ted Sarandoz, came in at 72 billion. I called him and I said, look, Ted, you got to up the ante. It's only.

72 billion jump change go to 80 billion and get it done yeah let's get with some real bucks in here actually this is the funniest far because i don't text ted that much and this is so dumb so i thought it was funny and that night when i heard about it i got home and i go hey ted uh let me know if you need me to walk you through this merger that's i thought that was funny and he said okay i think i got it but i I might call you later and he didn't. But I will say, I like the term hostile takeover. I like angry takeover. It's such a weird term, hostile.

I know, yeah. Just like, we don't care that you don't want us to buy you. We're just coming in. Guns of blazing. It's aggressive. The only other interesting story coming up was, I heard a funny story about the World Cup. Not that funny, but you know how they had all these cars there.

Oh, yeah. Big deal. They say every game is a Super Bowl. That's how big the World Cup is. Yes, I saw that. Peppering it all over North America, like different places. You have a game here. And then they just pick two teams.

You go here. So one of the odd situations was Egypt and Iran got picked to go to Seattle. And that's the only World Cup that's the pride match. Oh, my goodness. So what are they going to do? Egypt and Iran, I don't know. How'd that game go? Well, it's coming up.

it's coming up okay must see tv yeah that's a good must see one i think out of all of them that would lead to a little prickly situation oh how's mount fordo i took it out no more all right let's get to dan i mean enough of thought yep is uh the director and in and let's let's let's get him in here let's that's quickly i want to show the trailer and uh let's show the trailer and uh Because that'll just orient you to what? It's a quick trailer. You'll see what's going on. Then we go right into Q&A.

All right, here we go. We've had repeated instances of something operating in the airspace over restricted nuclear facilities, and it's not ours. These are otherworldly things that are performing maneuvers that haven't been seen. I have seen with my own eyes, non-human craft and non-human beings. This is so secret. There have been very few people in our entire government that have been allowed or provided access to it. Even presidents have been operating on a need-to-know basis,

but that begins to ramp out of control. It's not acceptable to have secret parts of government that no one ever sees. People have been hurt protecting and hiding this information. Some people claim it would cost them their lives and they spoke out about these things. You had information being locked away that could change the trajectory for species. Terrifying.

This is the biggest. This is the biggest discovery in human history. He did all the violin work. Well done. Dan, this is Dan Fair, the director. Dan will get right at it. Dana and I watched this. And mind-blowing.

One of the quick, interesting things is presidents are temporary employees. They don't even get as much information as people under them. Is that true? Yeah. So one of the big reveals in the film is that this has not only been covered up from the public and from congressional oversight, but it's been kept from sitting presidents and that they're treated as being on a need to know basis.

Marco Rubio actually breaks that down in the film, which is pretty extraordinary. Huh. It's so rude that the president's on a need to know basis. That would be offensive if I was president. So is it, yeah, it's in the documentary. There's the CIA and then this program called the Legacy program, or we have a sense of an idea of who these people are

that carry this information? Yeah. So in the film, a number of the intelligence officials I interviewed, revealed that there is this deeply hidden UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program that's referred to as the legacy program. And they break down the elements of government that are involved in it. So it involves elements of the CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy, and private U.S. defense contractors. And, you know, Rubio, breaks down how it's the permanent bureaucracy within those elements of government that gatekeep this information and keep it from elected officials and even sitting presidents. And the view is that sort of simply put those elect officials come and go, whereas the permanent bureaucracy can stay there for 10, 20, 30 years. Sure. Even that they say it's taxpayer money paying for like a fake program that billions go some because you know there's so many billions you just hear about flying around that who's keeping track of it all and if this is keeping this alive where they're doing reverse

engineering and working on these spacecraft it's it's so mind-boggling to people because every person in this was there 24 interviewed all have real jobs or not it's not some crazy lumberjack in Oregon it's like we are guys saying we not only we know they're there it's just a fact everyone's just like obviously we start with they're here so what are we doing with them how are we trying to get the technology how we're trying to keep it from other countries some people say we should all know what's going on but others say well if it gets in the wrong hands it could really kill us off yeah so I mean the two the two biggest reveals that came out of all my interviews are one the interview subjects reveal very clearly that there's been an 80 year cover up of the existence of non-human

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the bat was, was, was realizing we, you know, we live in a time where Democrats and Republicans in this country don't seem to agree on anything, right? Everyone, everyone, sure. I agree with that statement. Very safe to say. Yeah. Generally, that's the overall outlook. However, the leaders of both parties in our country are completely aligned on this. And to the extent that it was really shocking to experience firsthand you know um the you know i interviewed marco rubio on the same day in the same room that i interviewed christin jillibrand from new york you know two people who were ideologically politically opposed to each other and they could not have been more in lockstep on how significant this is how the base facts need to come out um their their understanding of the lay of the land

uh they were completely in sync and they went out of their way to tell me how bipartisan and serious this issue. Yeah, that's what made it very credible and very interesting, because you are hearing from these people. You wouldn't, it seems like... Yeah, why would they bother? Yeah, in recent times in the last 10 years, we've seen pilots, seeing objects moving in ways that don't make any sense, you know?

And so this kind of completes the idea of it or what people think. But is it more like where are the aliens or for you, is it like this technology may be in the wrong hands or if it gets in the wrong hands and describe how would you describe the technology besides the speed and how if they move around I mean I've got a mind-blowing answer Dan yeah is this true it said one of these spacecraft has a hundred times the daily power generated in the USA so what that's referring to is there's a part of the film, well, there's a part of the film where Commander Dave Fravor, famous Navy fighter pilot, very senior guy, he was talking about a UAP he encountered

while he was on active duty, well, before he retired, he was in the air, he was on a mission, he was in his fighter jet, and he encountered a UAP that is known as the Tick-Tac-shaped UAP. The New York Times, yeah, the New York Times ran a big story about this in 2017, and he was describing the flight performance characteristics of this UAP, what he saw it do with his own eyes and what his data collection systems on his airplane were confirming this thing was doing. And one of those performance characteristics it displayed is it could hover just above the ocean, basically sea level, and then instantly shoot up to 80,000 feet, which is where you, go into space and then it could hover there and then come right back down and it did this all day for hours and um the the the the energy required to do that once uh to go instantly from sea level to 80 000 feet um it at the speed that it did uh is that huge number you just said yeah one of one of the scientists in the film said it's it was like the electrical um it was like the energy output of the

entire united states for a week or something like that was yeah the exact quote but it was some and how fast they go through water yeah and then the same speed through water which sounds impossible yeah so this technology allows that allows uap to do what's referred to as transmedium travel where you they can go effortlessly from space to the air to the ocean uh which we don't have any we don't have any vehicles that can't even get our heads around it's they travel in a bubble That was very interesting, Dan, they. So now they realize here's like a triangle object. It has a bubble around.

So the radar goes around it. That's where they can't pick them up. One of the huge breakthroughs that is revealed in the film, several of the senior scientists that I interviewed who worked on classified UAP programs for the government, they reveal the breakthrough technology that they have realized is the key component to. how you ap work and essentially to put it in the most simple terms um which admittedly aren't there's no real simple way to say it but the simplest way to say it is they are they are they're warping space time in a localized area they are creating an immense amount of energy in a specific area around the craft and essentially they're creating a bubble around the craft and that bubble separates the craft from the environment around it so the laws of physics that we live by and that

our aircraft, you know, operate within, they're irrelevant at that point to the craft in the bubble. The craft is completely separated from our environment. And it's in its own space time, right? And so that technological breakthrough explains everything we've been observing. So in the bubble, the craft could be, you know, going at a leisurely pace. And from the outside, it looks like it's doing these impossible speeds. We see it going from space to air to water and we're like, how does that work? But for the craft in the bubble, the environment has no impact on it. It's just moving seamlessly through it.

And we wonder why we can't get these things great on radar. Well, the bubble explains that. The radar emits radar towards an object and it's supposed to bounce back to the radar admitter, and that's how radar works. But in the case of these crafts, the radar just bounces around the bubble and keeps going. It never goes back to the radar mirror. And so that answers the question of why it's so hard. And then it even answers age-old questions like, why is it so hard to get a photo of UAP?

You know, we all have cameras. We all have 4K cameras with our iPhones. Every video is bad. Yeah. And it's like, because it makes sense, though, because you're taking a photo or a video through a spacetime barrier. It's the equivalent of, you know, try taking pictures of fish that are in the ocean from above the ocean.

It doesn't work out. You're going through a different. medium. It's going to be all distorted. Even if it was like a koi pond and they're like right there, you can see them with your eyes. If you go to take a picture, it's all distorted because you're making it through a different medium. And so it's the same concept. The bubble around the craft is essentially a barrier. And, you know, now is our camera systems on and our other data collection systems on our fighter craft become more advanced they're starting to capture video these things we can actually see the bubble around the craft crazy some of the uap videos that have been declassified and

made public you can actually see it now that you know what to look for you can see the the distortion around the craft is that when they show orbs like when the orbs are like getting shelled in the east coast and for a long time you go they actually look circular and sometimes you see them floating around and you never know if it's real or not but you see them in someone's backyard even or just in their neighborhood, they're perfectly circular and you don't know what's going on. Yeah, the orbs, the orb phenomenon is certainly associated. It's all, you know, one and the same. And, orbs have been seen all over the world since World War II. And during World War II, fighter pilots saw them so much, they made up a nickname for them. They called them foo fighters.

It was a very common thing that allied fighter pilots experienced and encountered. Orbs, Orbs are seen all over the world on a regular basis. And, you know, there's still a lot of questions around them, but orbs might simply just be another form of, you know, warping space time and a localized area. It might just be a means of travel. Swooping around. Yeah. Yeah.

Can you reverse engineer this and talk to an astrophysicist or put it in Ask AI, like a craft that can do this, 80,000 feet and go underwater and, you know, space time and all that. what are the odds it's originating from earth or in our minds is it everywhere is it gets into religiosity almost like where the universe is so vast for what i understand it's really hard it's really big so but maybe they can go through a wormhole i mean what would you have any personal beliefs on this or where did they originate from or is it from the middle of the earth it's so because they're in the sea moon the so the people the people i interviewed a number of them go on the record confirming that this technology is not not made by humans there have been

crashes that have been recovered there have been the people interviewed go on the record saying that's in some cases the the crashes included the the recoveries of the crashed uh uip included the bodies of non-humans right so they're putting it on the table that we know there have been non-humans in these crafts right now in terms of where they're from um Look, there's no one I spoke to had a definitive answer, but all things were on the table. A number of the people in the film shared essentially the possibilities, which is extraterrestrial, interdimensional is something that's discussed amongst these people, as wild and far out as that sounds. And then another scenario that's talked about is maybe they've been here all along and they just, they were here before us. I feel like that's true.

Yeah. we keep finding these hieroglyphics and ancient things and you just go this some stuff is starting to not make as much sense as it used to and you have to re-question everything because you just told one thing and just go yeah you got blinders on and if you start to dig you go wait a second is this possible that we're just a blip of all time and it's just been a lot happening before and after yeah i mean this goes back to roswell where that was the first time they covered it up and then they started going that's what happens you tell one line and so there were like I think two or three they crashed in Roswell. There are pieces. There's two bodies maybe. There was, well, with the guys in my film, you know, the guy, yeah, the guys in my film go on the record saying it was actually one craft that crashed into two pieces, two crash sites. And there were four and there were four non-human bodies in there.

And the people in my film go on the record saying that the craft, the recovered elements of the craft and the bodies were taken to Wright Pat Air Force Base in Ohio. where at the time, the Army Air Corps, which became the Air Force, had their best reverse engineers, which is why everything went there. Do we have anything now that we've taken from Kraft involving like even iPhones or how, as technology, I had heard other things where there's a tradeoff there. You can learn from this. Did you go into anything?

You didn't go into anything about alien abductions on this, but. No, I said I did I did I did learn that there's a reality to that that topic, but I didn't include it in the film for a couple reasons. A, I needed to make tough choices on on what to cut and what not to cut to get it to a runtime that wouldn't put people to sleep, you know? You had to keep it around like I'm at one time. The runtime's at one hour and 50 minutes right now. And even when I went like a few minutes past that, I you start to feel it, right? Like the version that was 154 felt a few minutes too long, you know? Yeah. It's like movies when you do a movie. Yeah. People give up after a while.

Well, it's dense in a good way. There's a lot of information coming at you on this thing. And it gets better as it goes along. You sort of get your bearings. You figure out who everyone is. Yeah. And they start telling you stuff. You go, I think I've heard that.

And then it gets ramps up and you start getting scared. Yeah. And the third act, it was scary. like did the non-human did it i'm assuming there's no pictures of them but did anyone ever go on record or describe what a non-human looked like you know are they grays are they like three-foot grays or reptilians so we don't get into like the um we don't get into what non-human beings have looked like in the film but uh i will say that conversations i've had with people who have had encounters, the reference point they have used in the conversations with me is the non-humans

in close encounters being very accurate to what they saw, which, you know, is a pretty fascinating thing because, you know, it's an amazing movie. It inspired my curiosity in the topic, for sure. And, you know, Stephen had had some consultants working on him with that who were aware of a lot of facts back then. Right, like off the record facts. Like they, those kind of movies, it's funny, they seem to know more when in the future you go, oh, they must have known something back then because like you probably know a lot more than people are going on camera and saying. Then they tell you, I don't want to say this on camera, but there's actually way more happening. And you probably know a lot of that stuff.

So go ahead and say it. And there's, it's, it's going to go ahead. That's fine. It's cool. Just be you and Dana here. So, but I'll tell you, the other movie makes me think a lot about this, everything I've learned, is the abyss. You know, watch the abyss again now with all this, this information about the activity that happens under our oceans. I do wish I had more time in the film to go into what's been, um, you know,

happening in our in our oceans a number of the navy officials i spoke to um went went on the record with me telling me about um super uh concerning activity under the oceans like like giant crafts the size of football fields flying by our submarines at thousands of miles an hour being caught on sonar and data and on radar it's terrible it's like something out of possible no it sounds like stuff out of science fiction for sure 100 percent but what's so wild about this whole situation is you know we're quickly we're quickly getting to a place where the things that seemed like science fiction just five 10 years ago ago are our reality now it's real well i've thought that's publicly known think about it like even stuff

that's publicly known that is being talked about. That has nothing to do with UAP, just scientific breakthroughs that are being talked about in the last few years. Ten years ago, that would have sounded like science fiction. You know, we're rapidly progressing technologically at an unimaginable rate. Yes, I think, are you invested heavily in AI stocks

or how's your portfolio doing? Navidia. Navidia. Navidia. Oh, yeah. Has doing this kind of changed you in a way? I mean, has it, this journey, because it's such an interesting topic and there's real stuff around it. And I'm fascinated by it.

And there's been, you know, alien civilizations and maybe more call them casual documentaries about this over the years. This is the first one that seemed very comprehensively serious about it without pushing narratives that heart. Just going, here's the information. I just wonder, as it changed you, doing this, because if you really think aliens are here and they're advanced and they're kind of scary, or maybe they'll be benign, it's just a different way to walk around on the planet. Yeah. Is the word they're here walking around? No one I interviewed said that to me. Oh, wow.

No. I know more than you then. Well, wait a minute. For my sources at the grove. What does Spade do? I'm on the chat rooms. Go ahead. Now, I feel like they're kind of might be around, but I don't know.

I mean, anything from last year on ring doorbells, anything where people are capturing anything on video is written off now. Once AI comes, it's almost like planned because now you can't believe that stuff as much as you would. And that's scary too, because one in five is probably real. And the first comment is always AI. You bring up a great point, though, and I've said this in a couple of interviews recently. which is we live at a time where you can put a 4K video of a giant UFO taken from a security camera on a, you know, serious military base.

You can put that on the nightly news on like box and CNN at the same time, make a big deal out of it. And half of the human population will say it's AI and that it's, you know, made from some visual effects studio in Hollywood. And so that's a challenging time to live in where even actual real. video evidence will be viewed as as BS. And that's why I think this film is so significant and why I'm so glad it came together because this is 34 people with incredible resumes, putting their name and their reputation on the line to share what they lawfully can with the public about this extraordinary stuff and the reality of this situation. And I think that is the best evidence at this point in human history that we can have.

because video is the idea of, you know, credible video is a compromised thought, right? It doesn't really exist. But people who hold security clearances and want to keep them so they can provide for their families and, you know, people who have, you know, ambition to run for president one day and people who want to stay in office,

like they have a lot to lose going on camera, on the record, saying this stuff, and they're doing it because they think it's important. That, to me, is the most compelling. can get they were saying in there you don't want to get the guy dies of a four gunshots into the back of the head suicide yeah these people a lot of these people this people tremendous risk stepping up happen because this is such high dollar high stakes if they have the technology for these craft that could they said it would cancel they can you your cars could you don't need oil you don't need coal you don't need batteries like these things

can just if we have that and someone feels like they do i don't know if it's big corporations big companies hidden in China here. But someone's working on that. And in the movie, they're saying, we got to share it with the world because we could cure a lot of things. We could fix a lot of problems. So aren't we doing that? It also, you know, look,

the movie, I think, does a really good job at filling people in on why it's so complicated of a situation and why there's different sides of the coin. So this technology that exists has pros and cons. It can be used to revolutionize the way we live. It could potentially solve the energy crisis. It could lead to interstellar travel and expanding our horizons. It could dramatically revolutionize our lives and change the trajectory of our species. But it could also be used to make weapons of mass destruction that are far more destructive and dangerous than nuclear weapons.

And so that has sort of like, that dilemma I think has sort of paralyzed the gatekeepers of this information because no one, wants to pick a lane. I think the film shows that there is a valid argument for just making it a humanitarian issue and having it be the one thing that can unite all nations to tackle this and figure out a way forward

that's in the best interest of mankind that doesn't cause problems. I think people get scared, they go, the government, because the government is on, they're saying, we should know so we could tell the people, and then there's half the people that go, we don't trust that the government

is going to do that. and make sure we know everything. And obviously they're not right now. There seems like some good people on here that are trying. And there seems like there's some that are probably behind the scenes saying, we can't let this out and we're never going to and we don't want it to happen.

So I kind of get both sides. I think it's slowly coming out and the slower, it's not bad that it's this slow because people have to get their head around it and it's so complicated and a little scary. And to answer your earlier question, that's the second reason I didn't include, topics that fall within this this issue you know like that are a bridge too far for people like

like getting into abductions and stuff like that I think it was really important that the film you know set the the the base facts the lay of the land like a sequel one day and say okay you handled that now can you handle this level because we're probably it's tip of the iceberg like of what we know just this is so rudimentary in the real huge huge picture I thought one thing that was interesting was there was only one thing now I thought one of the things that was interesting was nuclear power plants nuclear missiles and all these generals these people that have legit jobs that their credibility online say they see it come there's a light there's an orb it comes over boom boom it starts knocking them out turning them all off and then they take off

or the one flying next to the rocket and they have a video of it and it yeah zaps the rocket it and takes up and turns it off. The activity, the UAP activity over nuclear weapon sites is an ongoing issue that people might help say. And it's been going on since the 40s, since we, you know, since the atomic race, since we are messing with, you know, cracking the atom and atomic energy. And as we've progressed technologically and harnessing energy, the UAP activity over sites related to nuclear energy has increased.

One of those particular stories you just mentioned in the film stands out to me as one of the more mind-blowing reveals out of the interviews I did. There was a UAP event at Vanderberg Air Force Base, which is, you know, we're all in L.A. right now. That's just about two hours off the coast. It's right around Santa Barbara. Yeah, I'm close to it. Oh, you're close to it. Yeah. So, you know, not far.

and I interviewed a couple of the Air Force security guards who were trusted to guard this classified military base where there's weapons of mass destruction and they witnessed with their own eyes one day a bright light coming off the coast, coming from the Pacific Ocean towards the base, which is right on the coast. And at first they thought it was an airplane coming their way

because they saw a bright light, but as it got closer, the light faded and it was just giant black craft that was the size of a football field. and rectangular, and it had no lights, no windows, no visible means of propulsion, and it just hovered over them, and they all just looked up with, you know, in awe, what they're looking at, and then it just shot off at thousands of miles an hour up the coast. And what's wild is when you hear multiple people describing the same thing in separate

interviews, in detail, and then you get all the full context, you know, they've never spoken up publicly about this, they kept it to themselves, they didn't try to like, it wasn't a story they were out there peddling to try to get rich or famous. It was a process for me to like make them comfortable going on camera in this film. Wasn't an easy, you know, decision for them. They shared with me the police blotter, the actual Air Force police reports that had come in with all the details. It all lines up. And, you know, that's just so extraordinary. Put yourself in the shoes of, you know. Well, that's a life-changing event. If you say, see a giant spacecraft in this guy and then i yeah there was one over phoenix like that years ago and

our governor came out it's like in the 90s yeah probably probably a mile it had it had it's just like lights like this and so everyone thought it was this it was a bunch of little ships but then it was slowly moving they go oh there's a light over there oh it's all the whole mass is one piece yeah like a mile and for 45 minutes it went slowly went over and they said it slowly went over and they He said it was a joke and then later Barry or a fight for the governor said, yeah, I was on Camelback Mountain. I saw it was real. Yeah.

He couldn't see it then. Yeah. Yeah. You know who the first pilot was, the first person to call that in was coincidentally? It was, it was Kurt Russell. Oh, that's right. I've heard this story. Yeah.

Russell, the actor. Yeah. He was in his airplane and he called it in. Wow. With Oliver, yeah. Yeah. There was one up here about a week ago, you know. My son took a picture of it, just lined up little lights for so many miles.

Didn't really make any sense. Yeah. Wow. I could send you the photo. But I do. Yeah, I mean, I guess I, you know, I've seen all these science fiction films, and I love Close Encounters in 2001. And it's if, if these people, these entities, these aliens are studying at us,

They're either going over Vanderberg, seeing where we're at, oh, we can still handle them, no big deal, or they're trying to- I can handle these pussies. Or they're trying to protect us. You know, maybe this is the time we get rid of their toys. Or do you have any theory about that in your brain of like, what are they up to? We can't know, but, you know. Well, the leading theory on intention amongst the people I interviewed, you know,

we unpacked this some in the film. You remember the leading theory. is that they're paying attention to our nuclear progress and our defense capabilities and monitoring that closely because we are either already there technologically in our hidden programs and doing what they're doing or we're on the verge of doing what they're doing and they're concerned about us that that's the leading theory because the majority of the attention is to our attention is to our nuclear progress and our defense capabilities. And so if you put yourself in the context of a more advanced, technologically advanced

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engineering, and a lot of the ones we see are made by us. Have you heard any of that? Yes. I mean, look, one of the intelligence officials in my film goes. on the record saying that some of the UAP we see are non-human, our non-human intelligent technology, the technology of non-human intelligent life. And then some is the product of our retrieval and reverse engineering program and some is adversarial technology from their reverse engineering program. So there's three sets of circumstances that are all

playing out at the same time nuts so a spaceship crashes they get they get a hold of it and they try to reverse engineer it's got to be an expensive piece of machinery that people want my god yeah i mean china they get it if i mean uh wow so so some of the intelligence officials break down in the film how there are recovery teams in no position in various parts of the world that can quickly get to a crash site recover it classify all the materials recover classified the fact that the mission even happened and they're extremely well organized and you know as one of the intelligence officials says in the film very very specifically he very specifically says nothing would stop any country uh from going after one of these one of these recoveries whether it's in their um in their uh country or not um yeah they all one of course yeah so It's pretty wild, and that gets you thinking, you know, every time you see, you know, from time to time, you see these stories like, you know, multiple military, countries, militaries end up in the same area of the ocean doing some unexplainable, you know, activity and makes you wonder what's really going on. You know what gave me the chills is one quick, Dana, where he says the guy's on, he's testifying one of the, I think, whistleblowers.

And he says, when you see all this stuff and you know what's going on and you think they would be a. threat to us could we defend ourselves and he goes absolutely not everyone goes only shit and he goes without question they would wipe the floor there's nothing we can do to them there's nothing so that's that's good in a way where you go they could do what if they're here they could do whatever they want and they're just kind of monitoring and snooping around and and hopefully uh i don't know but do you believe there's any any places on the moon there's any there's any buildings there's any bases i didn't get into that that to be honest with you with anyone you know yeah i mean it's an hour 50 that's another way yeah you might have to just for me we're all hoping that stuff the more whistle

blowers come out and stuff kind of comes out of course we the public yeah want to know and i think this documentary is kind of stoked it up but i guess you built over time and all of sudden it was really in the ether age of disclosure beating out you know know, he's, you know, getting huge numbers. So that must have been really satisfied. Yeah. Number one on Amazon, yeah, that's a big deal. That means people care. They're interested.

Absolutely, yeah. I'm really proud. We're within a couple days of release. We released on November 21st. And within the first 48 hours, we broke the record for best-selling documentary ever on Prime video. And in those first 10 days of release, we were the number one and number two, the rental option and the purchase option, were each the number one. and number two bestselling movies on all prime video out of all movies and we were outperforming

you know big studio movies which was definitely one battle after another very satisfying yeah one battle after another Jurassic Park rebirth uh the conjuring we outperformed all these films in the first 10 days in that critical week of the Thanksgiving week where everyone's home so it's um yeah I'm really grateful for that that response and you know humble to see it break through like that uh you know you You guys long worked in mainstream Hollywood like I have. And I'll tell you, every single major distributor and every major streamer passed on this film. I premiered it South by Southwest. Classic tale.

I love it. I premiered it at South by Southwest Film Festival in March. We opened the opening weekend in the Paramount Theater, the biggest theater they have, 1,100 seats. I've played that. Yeah. Totally packed, lying around the block, standing ovation, whole nine yards. It all went great. It was an amazing, amazing opening.

The trailer launched with like 20 million organic views, which is beyond unprecedented for a doc. And, you know, excitedly went and shared it with all the major distributors and streamers. And they all had great things to say. But then they all have great things to say, but then they pass. And now they're mad because look at the money it's bringing. Look at that. Yeah.

Now they missed out. But I think we're living in a time where the, major studios and the streamers are just staying away from anything that's controversial, you know, anything that could in any way impact them politically. And I think that's unfortunate. But I also think we're living in a time, thank God, where there's all this great, you know, these great platforms like podcasts and civilian journalism that is still bringing attention to this stuff that, you know, legacy media is ignoring, you know.

Yeah. And the people obviously are interested. It's an apolitical film. Yeah, that's the irony. Because it is, you know, I don't know if it's ironic or bizarre or whatever, but... First time both parties have chimed in on like the same film or the same documentary. So that, I mean, in recent memory of. So, but thanks, man.

That's very interesting. And anything else you want to ask? I just, I just ordered a really superstar telescope based on... Oh, for real, because you're out and there we can see, yeah. Oh, yeah. I see a night sky out here. There's no way in white. It's stunning.

But yeah, it's fascinating and congratulations. And thanks for doing it. It's really, really interesting. And it was great to watch. So I guess we'll just all be kind of more interested in this area. Yeah, I think my hope is that the film just makes the average person out there in the public realize that this is a real situation that everyone needs to be aware of. And then eventually that will that will lead to. to the public pushing its elected representatives everywhere, all over the world, to be more

transparent about this. And I think it's only a matter of time before we get to a place where a sitting president in the U.S. steps to the mic and tells the world definitively, we're not alone in the universe, the base facts. I think this film really sets the stage for that. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened sooner than later. Anyway, Dana will do it. Yeah, there you go.

We're going to make a big announcement. Excuse me. We're going to make it. We know how to make it. We're going to tell a lot of people about a lot of things. You're not going to believe it. You're going to believe it. And if you look at it and you think about it, what is it?

I'm not going to say. All right, Dan, thanks, buddy. We'll look for you out there and we'll look for a sequel one day. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Appreciate the sport, guys. Well, that was interesting. Yes.

that's it was a lot like i watched it and i it was sort of building up and i was like oh boy and i was watching before i went to bed so i i stopped it of course because i'm a total puss we're just scared i was just getting a little weirded out it's scared yeah they say some stuff and there where i go so uh and i kind of buy into it anyway and so by the way i'm scared of it but i do want to know about it it's definitely a intriguing fascinating area and if they if the aliens that are you know zooming around stuff if they are potentially some of them are fans of this podcast yeah i'll just say i'm not afraid of you this is my message for you aliens bring it on yeah i say i say rackum i haven't said rackum in a while too i would i would

say it to them uh but but ultimately it was worth it i did rent it i guess you could rent or buy i I rented it just on a whim. And I think it's worth to watch. And thanks, Dan, for coming on. And I was going to wrap up. But I do want to say, Dana, by popular demand, we definitely want to do this buzzing around segment because I work on these for months. We have to inject some comedy scenarios into this.

Okay. Okay, I wrote some names down. All right, hold on. I went into our arsenal. Hold on. What do you have to do? I'm just going to tell you. Well, I'm going to write them down.

Go ahead. Oh, okay. I can't see you anymore. I'm going to find it. I know. Hang on. Oh, there you are. Yikes.

Oh, you showed up on camera. By the way, the stuff was so technological when Dan was talking. I could tell I understood it and you didn't. But that was fine. I'll tell you more about later and what it means. Yeah, I fell asleep with my eyes open twice. You were like, I don't know what's going. I couldn't understand a thing.

You kept getting in there. They have a lot of physicists on there. They're smarter. like that that kind of lost me because they know what they're talking about yeah okay here we go your scenario because i have to go with nicky glazer to the caesar's palace in january oh yeah is Vegas and it's a card game any anything in the casino okay and uh leum nison and michael cane this is going to be buzzing around this is our segment sponsored by five hour energies bless you new gingerbread snap flavor tis the season for tasty caffeine with five don't start

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Oh, you're going to hit on 16. All right. I've got skills that have acquired to make me a nightmare for a hitting man like you. Do you know who I'm doing? That's good. Liam Neeson. Yeah, Liam Neeson. I'm taken.

Hit from taken. Yes. And he's still. angry he's about everything usually are totally busted you screwed me over you should have denied me the card you can't blame me i have skills i've acquired that make me a nightmare i heard that part and it's boring the second time what about you bill clinton well i've got i mean i've got two queens and i've got i've got three aces that's called a full house we're not playing poker you fool you can't

You can't wear that 21 when you play poker, you're bloody fool, you're out of your mind. I like this is tracking. Oh, look. Who's there? It's Paul McCartney. Oh, in the casino. Well, you look like you have a lot of fun. He's playing poker.

He's playing 21. You know, I say we start all over and we play tiddly winks. You know, tidily winks. It's very popular. People seem to like it. What about Kerr Plunk? Curr Plunk. My name is Kerplunk.

Do you know Kerr Plunk? It's an old game you can play. Oh, Kerr Plunk. Do you know what Tiddly Winks is? Yeah. I'm not really old, but I've heard that. I got this. Here's a Leonisen also says, when Michael Cain says, I'm going to hit on 16.

He goes, good luck. it's a little jason stratham going in there you know when the guy calls on taking and he can't find his voice he goes he plays it back and he hears the guy go because he goes i'm going to find you and the guy goes good luck you and he will kill you why don't let's make jason stratham the dealer and michael what's his name straith statham yeah so i've just i've just sat down i have a cartel and i just want to know are you the one dealing the cards? Are you the dealer? I'm the beekeeper and I keep the bays. But are you also, I know you're a beekeeper, but are you also the dealer? I'm only doing this undercover. Well, shouldn't he say, I'm the dealer. I'm the dealer. I've got all the

cards and if i hit you you might not get up this thing this thing's falling apart i like how you brought me into it though i brought i brought i brought you and did i bring bill clinton i like cards i've always love cards i like getting hit on by cards and it's a beautiful hit on it's beautiful hitting on people but i thought he'd go i'm the dealer and i deal cards like it's some war movie or something. Oh, I deal the cats. I deal the cards because I'm the dealer. Get it? Jesus. A little bit of a I don't know if I like my part in this. Well, I don't know. Maybe this one discombobulated. No, I liked it. But that's fun of it. That was buzzing around. Sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new gingerbread snap flavor. Feel your holiday hustle with as much caffeine as a 12-ounce

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