Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Bill Maher

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

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Call 1-866-531-2600. Visit connectsontario.ca. Bill Maher, good friend of mine and yours, Dana, has a great show, a lot of opinions, talks about a lot of interesting things. And one thing on the side note, I didn't tell him, is a lot of times on Twitter, they have just snippets of the show from the night before.

And so I get to watch little chunks if I do miss it. And that's kind of a plus, because I get to see little snip of I do miss it. And that's kind of a plus because I get to see little snip of like, here's what he thought about this. Here's an interview with this. So, but great time. All just bunch of comedians cracking up again, as usual. I like that. A lot of laughs in this one.

And he talks about his early days a little bit, stuff like that. And we talk about the Golden Globes. Oh yeah, we did get into the Golden Globes. Which were just on. days a little bit, stuff like that. And we talk about the Golden Globes. Oh yeah, we did get into the Golden Globes. Which were just on. And Bill always has something interesting to say. And he talks about honesty is sort of his superpower. He's very, you know, he's blunt. But I was on his show in the 90s a bunch of times, politically incorrect. I haven't been on real time as much,

but we've known him a long time. We meaning comedians all know each other from the improv and comedy store, go back. He's had basically the same job since 1993. It's unbelievable. Yeah, I don't know how much time off, but basically it's just a connected thing. It's just a straight run of a hit show. Yeah, I don't know how much time off, but basically it's just a connected thing. It's just a straight run of a hit show.

Yeah, basically. Whatever version of it, but it's all about the same version. It's bananas. And he's been up for 40 Emmys. That's how we put it. 40 Emmy nominations is an achievement in itself. Yeah, crazy.

That's extraordinary. And he was gonna be a sitcom actor. We talk about that in the 80s and then how he evolved as a comic. And then we just goof around and do a lot of stuff. I did a few Dennis Miller impressions, which he loves. Always a hit, always a home run. I tried to ask a real question toward the end

and he made fun of me. So, remember that? He goes, who wrote that question? I go, Bill, I'm a journalist. Oh yeah, that sounds like a producer. And then Greg was turning bright red. I could see in the- It wasn't. I always just wanted to say, God, you say so much shit on your show. What could they, do they ever just say, stay away from that? Because you know a lot of these talk shows are like, do not talk about this, do not talk about that. He's got a pretty, pretty big leash,

but there's a couple of times where certain things got a little controversial. You guys can look it up. You can look it up. Yeah, all right, well, let's let them hear it. We had a really good time with Billy Mar. Bill Mar. We had a really good time with Billy Maher. Bill Maher. Which one is Jason Bateman? You're our third.

This is when Club Random and this one goes under, this is our podcast. Let's get our chemistry together now. That would be awesome. Okay, we're on because I don't like to waste any of my charm talking to you guys when we're Let's get our chemistry together now. That would be awesome. Okay, we're on, because I don't like to waste any of my charm talking to you guys when we're not actually on. We're recording, everything's recorded.

And this is gonna be. Okay, great. Dude, I do phone interviews, Bill just for this part of it, and then they go, hey, Zoo Crew, and I go, okay, they go, how you been, David? You got a big show coming up? And I go, yeah, and they go, first time in Denver, and I go, no, I've been there, and they're like honk, honk, and then they go, and then after I'm exhausted, they go, how you been David? You got a big show coming up? And I go, yeah. And they go, first time in Denver. And I go, no, I've been there.

And they're like honk, honk. And then they go, and then after I'm exhausted, they go, okay, we're gonna put you on in about two minutes. We're gonna patch you in. I go, wait, wait, this isn't it? What the fuck's going on? And then you hear them talking about you. It's very creepy.

I don't like, you love doing morning radio during your early days, right Bill? Early days, yeah, very early. I haven't done that, I mean that's one thing I have on my list of things. Wait, wait, I have a list, because I'm not, I just did my, probably my last standup show.

Impossible. And that's, no, no, no, that's my special. I know, has anyone else seen this on HBO this Friday? Because we're out Wednesday. Yeah, yeah, no, that's my special. I know. Has anyone else seen this on HBO this Friday? Because we're out Wednesday. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, but I, you know, among the things that I will not miss is the interview with Fart Man and Asshole Jack.

Right? Fart Man, that was Howard Stern. Well, whatever, you know. Oh, I know. Yeah, yeah. Tommy and the Bull. There was always a guy and an whatever. You know, shit head, asshole. Tommy and the Bull. There was always a guy and an animal. Tommy and the Bull. Right, I mean, David Spade is much more of a warrior

than I am. I mean, he will still do that and do any sort of show anywhere. I mean, he'll do it outside for charity. Parking garage. He's just amazing with that. Yeah, because my manager's name is Mark Gerbitz. Yeah, mine too.

He makes us all go. I think it's a nice little run. Spade likes money. Dana doesn't like money. Well, it doesn't make me do it and they're not making me do it anymore. I mean, I will miss it and I love it, but you know, there's a time, it's better to leave a party a little early than a little late, I feel. And that's, you know, among the things I will not miss, it's that, those talking to, I mean, some,

I've done many newspaper interviews, but who the fuck reads a newspaper anymore, with people who are actually quite bright and pleasant to talk to. But the morning zoo guys, no, that's just outrageous. What's the main thing they would ask you that would be annoying or assume something about you? The real Bill Maher?

You know, that I have a thing for black women or something like that. That's insane. Yeah. It's a little person. Who doesn't? I love every woman. Yeah, yes. It's just so person. Who doesn't? Of course, I love every woman. It's ridiculous to say I have some sort of fetish, but they're not interested in the things I'm interested in, which are politics and what's really going on and something with

a little intellectual nutrition to it. They want to talk about stupid shit like that. Nutrition. Yeah. They go, Bill, when you get on the phone, you're going to hear a robot voice. That's our sidekick. You're going to hear a parakeet and then you're going to hear Bobo. He's in for zip-zip. He's an animatronic monkey.

Don't be alarmed. Oh yeah. I've done it all. Yeah. We were just saying that some of these corporate gigs are kind of fun because you go out there, they're not super fun, but- They can be okay. They can be okay.

I think we all do those and I think- No, no, no, no, no. You don't do those anymore? Again, may I reiterate, you're such more of a warrior than I am. You'll do anything. I'll do only, I would, yeah, I get offered these corporate gigs and I've been there. It's true. I've been there enough to know what the problem is. Here, there's corporations, right? And they have a corporate mentality, which I do not.

Okay. So right away, the premises are not going to please them. I'm a pot smoking atheist. I'm just wrong to begin with for this crowd. So if they don't love the premise, they're probably not gonna like the joke. Now there's some stuff, especially in the last five, 10 years, when the left has gone off the deep end, that I do plenty of stuff that will make conservatives laugh because the left deserves it also now.

But corporate gigs, I remember when I did a few of them, here's the problem, somebody on the entertainment committee is my fan. So they're like, let's get Bill Maher here. Everybody will love him. Well, everybody won't love him in the company. You do, and you think everybody in the company is so fucking hip.

They always, when I say no, oh no, our company is different. No, it's not. You think your company is different and it's full of a bunch of hip people, but it's not. It's full of a bunch of insurance salesmen, and they're going to fucking make my life miserable. And there's no amount of money that can make that, you know, when you're this age, every day has to be a good day. And a day when I'm talking to a bunch of corporate people at noon is not a good day. Is this true, Bill?

Because I've been doing corporates for a long time, not as many as I used to. And that's why they pay you so much because they know it's difficult. But they did say to you, and they didn't say this in a snarky way, they go, well, Bill was different. And we said, Bill, no F-bombs, OK? And then apparently Bill went up there and said, how the fuck is everybody doing tonight? Which then I loved you even more

because that's what we all wanna do, but then, you know, don't get asked back. The last one I did, you know, the guy from the corporation is the one who introduces you and does an intro and sometimes tries to be funny. And my opening line was, Jesus Christ, that guy was fucking terrible. You know what I mean?

Because he was. And they all laugh because they know it too. But it's just, see, you can do it, Dana, because you're not doing stuff that's going to offend either side. You know, you can do your genius. Well, I'll do just impressions. I mean, I'll just be the, you know, I would do a corporate date that's specific to that.

You know, and even when you do like your brilliant Joe Biden, which I loved every week and come on, I love it more people today and make more bills and not going to be able to get my bills back. Where am I? What's going on? You did good, Joey. Go ahead. I love when David was on when you were the church lady too. That was great to see you guys together. We wanted from the beginning, we thought, I thought, and David thought that it'd be funny if he just played Hunter Biden. We don't know why it was just David as Hunter Biden. And then the opportunity came up and it ended up being not Joe Biden with Hunter Biden, but we got him on there. It was great. No, I was always curious to why they

never had anyone play Hunter Biden. It was just sort of ripe for the pickings. I thought it may be a hot tub talk show where they have guests and girls. Well, if you want to get into that, and I know this, but like... We can. We can say anything. We have editing capability in case anybody's getting funny, you say, but... I've pinched a Hunter Joe. Let's end a career today, shall we?

No, but as far as like you mentioned, like why didn't they do that? How about, why didn't they make fun of Kamala's husband when he got me-tooed? Like, it is amazing the way this country is so partisan, including in the media and the entertainment parts of it, that when something happens for your team that's bad, it's like, you know, it's like the angel of death just flying over the house on Passover. Like we don't see a thing here

because you know Doug Emhoff was credibly accused of things that other people have been accused of. Yeah. And that wasn't plastered everywhere. It was, well, it was certainly out there. It was out there. Yeah, no, I'm saying. And you know, again, it was certainly out there. It was out there. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And, you know, again, it was as credible as many other accusations I've heard, you know,

but somehow it was just Andy Samberg as, oh, funny kind of dorky Doug. And it's just wrong, you know, if you're going to make fun of people, go both sides. Don't, don't play that game. I don't like that. I was surprised in many ways that, you know, I was ready when I first did Biden out there, I just thought, you know, cause he'd been a hot oven for a long time to what line are you making fun of dementia or whatever? So I was ready for a heckler in the live audience

and I was ready to say, get your facts straight, Jack. I had a comeback just in case, but they went for it because I guess he wasn't running anymore, but the rules all changed after Biden was no longer the nominee. They became a lot looser with it. So I caught a lucky wave, I think.

Well, also nobody else really got how to make them funny. And so they had to go to the bullpen. They had to go to the old school, old cast member. I had to bring in the old horse. I was like, the guy from the eighties is going to come back. Secretary is running. Yeah. But I thought the toys were all there to pick up. And by the way, and guess what? The fact of the matter is I thought they were all there. And that the whisper and the yelling, guess what? I wrote the bill because I know how to write bills, but I get no one did them. So I took them up.

I picked them up. It was all there, but that's always the case with comedy. Isn't it? When you hear some guy or woman do a great joke and you go, oh yeah, that observation was there for me to make. Right. That's why you don't want to watch comedians, right? I mean, you don't watch a lot of stand-up because of that.

Correct. I assume. Yeah, it's a busman's holiday. And also most of them are not funny enough to make me LOL, like you guys do. So, you know, if there's no LOL in it for me, you know, I mean, it's sometimes it's relevant or it's, you know, breaking new ground. I don't give a shit about that. It's like a, you know, a record review when an album comes out

and they like, right. It's like, is the good, is the music good? Do I care that this is fucking changing music? First of all, it's not. There's so many notes and they're doing it. I just want to feel good. Okay. I'm just the young man in the 22nd row. There's nothing like it. That's why Sebastian really stood out to me 10 years ago when he came out Maniscalco and was just fucking funny. I mean, right. No, there's lots of funny people out there now. But there's also a lot of like, oh, this is really, you know, emotionally satisfying. Okay. Well, not really by-

Some specials you see and you go, is this a stand-up comedy special? And it's more like a therapy session or something. Right. And you go, okay, this is different. That's what I'm talking about. And look, there are people watching this now saying, oh, these three old guys. Yeah, these idiots. And our day was so much better. They don't get it. No, we get it. I get what you're doing. It's just, we have a different,

we were raised at a different time. Look, I could sugarcoat it, but we're tougher. And we're not even that fucking tough. We're just tougher than we're not Marines or anything. We're baby boomers. They thought we were soft and weak, but compared to the generation that came after us. And so they like all this stuff that's about emotions and emo and feeling good and sharing and feeling you know, feeling safe. You know, to us it's like, can we just have the jokes? We're just here to have that feel. And I don't think that's ever gonna change.

I think people really still, when they go out to see a comedy show, they want their stomach to hurt at the end of it. That's what I've always tried to do. Yeah. You have the, Jeff Altman came up a while back for this, I think it was with Leno, just where are those guys? I mean, they're just big, funny extroverts just being ridiculous. Bruce Babyman bomb.

Bruce bomb, how funny. Can I tell you a Jeff Altman story for the millions of people who don't know? First explain who Jeff Altman was. Pink Lady and Jeff. You do that. I, you brought him up. Okay, he was a comedian, 80s, 90s on Letterman a lot. And he was just a big, funny, silly, always made me laugh guy.

Fred Silverman, who at the time was the biggest mocker in TV, I guess, was NBC. He gave him a show when he was kind of an unknown comic called Pink Lady and Jeff. And it was Jeff with two young Japanese women who I'm not sure spoke English maybe was the joke. I don't know. You know, what you could do back then with people of a different ethnicity than you who didn't speak English was unlimited. So I mean, you could have had any, but it lasted like two shows.

And that was bad for him. And it wasn't really his fault. He was offered a prime time show on a major network at the time when there's only three or four networks. Yeah, it's a big deal. Yeah, it was a big deal. But okay, so here's the story. I was out with him one night.

I mean, this is probably the 90s when I was out a lot. We were young and I don't know, we were coming from the Playboy Mansion or something. I don't know, we weren't doing that. But we were walking with two girls. I don't remember if they were girlfriends or people we just met or I don't know, homeless. But we were walking on Sunset Boulevard.

I think it was Sunset, yes. We're walking like long way, like a long way to get to another bar probably. I'm sure that's what it was. So at one point for no reason, Jeff just breaks out running like as fast as he can ahead of us. And that alone was funny. And like, four blocks

later, we're walking along and I look to the side and there's a little doorstep going down toward a door. And there he is pretending to be passed out in the door hell. You know, just, he just, the commitment to that, to run ahead and wait, passed out on the beat. Just so that when I came upon him, it would get a laugh. That was Jeff Altman to me. I'm sure he's still around.

If he's listening right now, Jeff. Oh yeah. Yeah. When I started the improv, the board, that chalkboard up there was like Bill, maybe some Jeff Altman, maybe some Belzer. Oh yeah. Leno, remember?

You're talking about at the clubs? At the improv club on Melrose when I first started. Oh yeah, sure. All these guys were great. Everybody was funny. And I was trying to worm my way in. Bill, I had a question for you, a serious question. Did you get one of those Medal of Freedoms the other day they were passing out? Oh yeah I did and I put it with the others. I mean I have a

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I thought it was a tutorial in why Trump won the election. Why is that so funny? it is because I want to hear, I want to hear it because no one was really too political. There was a couple like in these troubled times, but nothing super overt. No, but it's just, it's first of all, the fact that they have a special award for, I don't know what they call it, blockbuster. Or it's like- Box office or something. Movies people like. Yeah. Which actually used to be what an award show was, movies people like and saw.

But Danny, you're right. I mean, so many, I watched it as an instructive because I just was familiarized with so many movies and TV shows that I had never heard of or barely heard of. Some I want to see. I want to see the Jesse Eisenberg one because I love him and I think he does great stuff and that looks fun. And there's a few others but yeah and it's just like this other world that the, you know, that the what the right would call the leftist elitists and they're not completely wrong about that, that they live in this world and everybody else lives in this other world. And, you know, I know during the election, the Democrats were like, if we can just get Taylor Swift to endorse Joe, this will put him over the top and over the top and they got every big star.

And I think it actually hurt because people don't look at these celebrities like, oh, they're just like us. They're not just like you. They have no idea what life is like, real life. And a show like this, it comes across that way and it just makes people go, oh, fuck these people and their insular world. You know, I also want, yeah.

I would just say thinking about movie actors and where else do we praise people with that kind of hyperbole? His performance is nothing short of a miracle. Really? kind of hyperbole. His performance is nothing short of a miracle. Right. And everyone who like puts on a fake nose is brave. You know, it was a brave performance. A brave performance is the battle of Fallujah. Okay, that was brave. Just uglying yourself. Omaha Beach was brave. You know, just uglying yourself up for a movie. That's brave. It would be, it would be brave if you're going to permanently stay ugly, but you're not, you know. Disfigure yourself.

But I thought our girl, Nikki did great. Yeah, she did great. This is not an easy room and she has great chokes. I, uh, yeah, I think, uh, I would like to see her do it again because, uh, she aired correctly on the side of this isn't a roast. Exactly. Okay. These people, yeah, these are all a bunch of divas in this room.

You know, don't make the mistake that Joe Coy, I think, did the year before. And you know, like, don't ever like blame them. They're perfect. Oh no, no, you never turn. They're the A-listers. I would like to see her do it like again and again, because I read her I like to see her do it like again and again, because I read her interview about it and she said, she wanted to be like Tina Fey and Amy Poehler who did great with it. But I want to see her be Ricky Gervais, but she does not have the stature yet. And she's correct in assessing that. I told her that. You don't have the stature yet. She knows this. You have to have stature. I mean, Ricky, when he did it, he was one of them.

First of all, he had fuck you money. He was a big producer. He had done lots of, you know, the office alone made him very rich. Highly respected. Highly respected and just the attitude of, I don't give a fuck if you ask me back on this show or not. I'm going to take the piss out of you people. And he, and I'm going to be drunk when I do it. That's what I want to see on the golden gloves. Now she's not ready to do that yet. And she made the right decision not to, but I'd love to see her do it someday. I never get tired of that. Cause I'll click on Ricky Gervais. So I get the YouTube shorts

and his speech and I don't know if it was his last one, he's got the beer, you know nothing, you are nothing. Right. Just come up, get your little award, thank your fucking God or something like that. I mean, it was so not television. Yeah. But I think it was his last one, and I'm interested in Celebrity Net Worth

only because of how it would affect the mind of the performer. And if you have a hundred million net, you live in a little village in England, you're like, I'm still dancing for my donuts. I'd like to feel that one day. I like last night when the Brutalist guy goes- Brutalist. The guy goes, Brutalist, he goes, he says, give directors the final cut, which fair enough. And then he goes, by the way, it's three and a half hours. So he's like, they all said it wouldn't be a hit.

I'm like, it's literally made $1 million worldwide. The people are scratching their heads going, I mean, it's a hit, I mean, you won this. So this is the illusion, it's the biggest hit in the world. I only got through the first two thirds of it. What one? The Brutalist? Then it really picks up.

Brutalist, I think. Brutalist took... People tell me that when, wait, Dana, when I watch a show on Netflix and they go, the first seven episodes are shit. I go, what are you still doing there? Get the fuck out. Go ahead, Dana. I like land what are you still doing there? Right. Get the fuck out.

Like, go ahead, David. I like land man. The thing that blew me away, you know, was Adrian Brody, right? Great actor. He's dumb. He's very serious guy. Terrific. Super likable, like an open wound, brilliant actor.

And then with no judgment, his wife was with Harvey Weinstein and then went to Adrian Brody. Wow. What? That's a pretty big leap. That's a different kind of husband. Okay. Can I defend that a little bit?

No, I just explained. No, no. I mean, I talked to Adrian and his girlfriend. I don't know if they're married. Um, Georgina is it? Yes. I'm sure she's lovely. I would just go, you got a really nice guy now.

Harvey was tough. I don't think she knew Harvey was doing what he was doing when she was with him. And as soon as she found out, she was in a cab. So I talked to them at the Oscar party, the Vanity Fair Oscar party, I think two years ago. They couldn't have been nicer and it seemed like a genuinely good relationship. So I mean, I don't know if there's anything there there because again, I don't know.

That explains it. I don't think she, nobody was talking about Harvey Weinstein until it broke. You know, I mean, did you know? I didn't know. I mean, he was always nice to me, as John Lovett used to say about OJ. He was always nice to me. I wasn't thinking so much of the...

That is what he used to say, by the way. He was always nice to me. He never slit my throat, okay? Never killed me. Just as a type, I wasn't thinking so much about the sexual escapades, it's just a type. Just a, because we knew Harvey was an aggressive kind of bulldog and Adrian's a sensitive soul from afar.

So that's just actually in dichotomy. But neither one of them is like traditionally handsome because women are deeper than we are. So they go for something. Yeah. Thank God. Didn't Aristotle on NASA's, that was his first line to a woman was I'm an ugly man. Okay.

Right. That was his first line. But yeah, but I second line was I'm a rich one. This is the USS Aristotle. Yeah. He wasn't that bad. I mean, you know, Jackie, yeah, he had, well, first of all, we only got to know him when he was old.

You know, I never knew about him until he married Jackie O, right? I mean, that's what sort of put him on the map, you know? And I think what he offered her was something she was looking for, an island. Yes, to hide from the paparazzi and so forth. Totally, women are more evolved than we are.

Yes. Yeah, Bill. I could not agree more. Were there some of these movies and TV shows? I saw that Challengers was, which I saw. Me too, liked it. I don't know if it was a comedy or musical, but. I don't understand it either, but I liked it.

It was, I liked it. And I think they go, it'd be great to have Zendaya here. I think that's true with a lot of people that were there. A lot of it. Yeah. No, listen, Zendaya is great. She was great. Oh think that's true with a lot of people that were there. A lot of it, yeah. No, listen, the day is great. She was great. Oh, she's great. Everything.

But she should be there. Now, could they just make a category for challengers like they did with the box office one? Well, why is the bear up against only murders in the building? I mean, why is Martin Short up against Jeremy Allen White? But go back. What won? I don't know what won. I haven't seen no one. Good question. He usually wins, Jeremy Allen. No, what won the best movie?

Oh, the best movie? Okay, what? You don't know either? What won anything? The Brutalist. Didn't the Brutalist win the best drama movie? What is the Brutalist about? It's got- Jesus Christ. I feel like I'm in seventh grade all of a sudden here. Suddenly the pop quiz from the. Let me see, I'm gonna look it up.

Can we get our Google guy to do it? That's me. Oh good, Dennis Miller's here. Billy Marv, gotta love Billy Marv, the perennial teenager thing working out for you, you know, got the man cave with the pool table. How's that? Circa. Troy Donahue motif, you know, the youth that never end.

No, I love Dennis and he is he is one of the fucking funniest humans. Well, you certainly are when you parody him. Oh, I love doing him and he improves my vocabulary. Okay, got a little tissue in the back there in case he gets a little watery eye over that medication he needs every other day at this point. That's you and your funny impressions. All right, I'm gonna read you some winners, guys. Oh, great.

Okay. Drama, wait, musical or comedy motion picture? They're sort of covering their bases here. That must've been Wicked. Oh no, it was Amelia Perez, it beat fucking Wicked. Oh yeah. Perez won everything. Wicked got the best big commercial film. It's always a contest to be,

which can be the most virtue signaling and politically correct, which is again why Trump won, because people just want entertainment. So like, even though Wicked, I didn't see Wicked, but I know someone who's in her 20s and went to see it with someone who's like, I think her sister or something, it was like, you know, a teenager and the teenager didn't even like it and thought it was too preachy. Wicked? Yeah, wicked. Is this our Barbie this year? What is it? Well, I haven't seen it, but that was the report from a 18 year old girl to preachy

and you know, it just, okay. So I don't know, maybe it's not, maybe it is. What is Amelia Perez about? Good question. That was my next question. About a woman named Amelia Perez. That's the limit of my knowledge. It's their Amelia Earhart.

Yeah. Spanish. Okay. I also was different man than when you're talking about with Jesse Eisenberg. See that one I, oh, okay. If that's Jesse's movie, then I want to see that, but I not really been familiarized with it

and I don't know what that's about. Yeah, you're really nailing these. Culkin got the sidekick. One of the Culkin brothers won. Yes, he did. Karen, one of the, listen to you grandpa, the Culkin brothers won. Yes, he did. Karen, one of the Culkin. Listen to you, grandpa. Karen Culkin.

Kip Culkin. Guess who knew the Culkin brothers back in 1990? Yeah, Kieran was my, he was like my shadow when his brother was hosting. Is that right? Yeah, because I saw some activity with his father and I knew what was going on and I had the same kind of family situation. You're like Michael Jackson can't corner the other one. Wait, wait, I'm I knew what was going on and I had the same kind of- You're like Michael Jackson kind of cornered the other one. Wait, wait, I'm interested. What was going on?

I just saw, you know, my friend and I have this phrase, a Turner phrase of an insecure man, a hurting cowboy. So I saw that his dad was a hurting cowboy. He suddenly was, yeah, was it that his name? And I could tell that was a rough, that was a rough dad to have, you know? And- What is the cowboy meaning? A hurtin' cowboy and insecure, an insecure man. I've always told anyone there's nothing more dangerous than a man with alcohol in him who's insecure after midnight. Right. I would agree, yeah.

Back to the fun stuff, guys. Let's go on. Let's go back, all right. Why did, that's a carby show stopper. Actually, Bill will be happy to know Wicked did come through, they had to make one up. That's cinematic box office achievement. Obviously, just look in the paper,

what made the most money, okay. Right, that's all that is. Yeah. Zoe Saldana won supporting actress in Amelia Perez. I saw that and, you know, I'm sure she's a lovely person, but like again, the level to which these people are seduced by winning a little trophy is something,

I mean, just the- The speeches, you mean? Well, just the overflowing emotion that like, oh my God, you like me and you gave me this trophy and they're just overcome. It's just, it's very hard to watch. I, see, I couldn't watch a show like this in real time. I taped it and then watched it in the bathtub

with the clicker, I mean, with the remote being able to zip through the things that I just can't take. And the things I just can't take are the speeches and also the speeches and also the little patter that they give the presenters before they... So I had to, I just, I can't do it. So I had to go through those and then I got to, oh, and this is what the nominees are.

And it educated me on all these shows that I will never see. No, oh, and this is what the nominees are. And it educated me on all these shows that I will never see. No, no, I- Even the closed captioning is tough to get through sometimes because I read what they're saying and I'm like, oof. What is The Brutalist about? It's about, I told you, there's something about The Holocaust.

And immigrants, right? And immigrants- Something about immigrating to America and the difficulties of that experience. Just immigration is a big year. I mean that, that's a good one. Again, another reason why Trump won because these people think unlimited open borders is what we should be championing and Americans kind of don't agree with that, including people of color who voted more for Trump than they ever did for a

Republican. But okay. Majority of Latino men, but for whatever reason. Majority. I mean, no, but over 50% Democrats are gonna be. Yeah. And they keep digging their hole bigger because they don't get it that they keep talking about, you know, oppression and there is oppression, of course. But most of these people were saying, you know what's oppressive to me? The price of eggs. Okay, that's what's oppressing me. Deal with that.

Yeah, the ones right in front of me, the eggs, they're expensive. There's also saying inflation's under control. Everyone gas prices started going up and he's saying this stuff that's talked about in their back room. This could be a good thing. Hey, transition to fossil fuels. Phil, I swear you could have jumped into that medal of freedom ceremony and he would have noticed it's thrown around your neck. He was out of it. This guy did some shit. There you go.

Is it true you have 40 nominations but not a win? He was out of it. This guy did some shit. There you go. Okay. Next. Is it true you have 40 nominations but not a win? Correct. And I think that really says more about them than me. But let's move on. I blame Grvitz. Well, yeah, it's impossible to win now. You're the wrong player.

Demi Moore, one for the substance, actress in a musical or comedy. Was that a musical or a comedy? Was it? Okay, I saw that one. Okay, go. Now we're getting started. Really hard to watch because, have you seen it? No, someone warned me off it.

They said you wouldn't be able to handle it. I couldn't handle it. I literally was watching it through my fingers because it becomes, it's so over the top with what they do to her. It's about, it's so over the top with what they do to her. It's about, it's a good idea and there are parts of it I liked, but it was just too hard to watch. She is a woman who of a certain age who wants to recapture youth and then there's some thing that somebody invented that she can inject herself with.

Magical potion. Right, and like she leaves her old self lying in the closet for a week and the new version of her goes out. And then she gets hooked on it and wants to, you have to do it in a certain way, she fucks it up. So then she becomes this grotesque figure

and they just take it to a degree that's just, for me it was too much, but I get the idea. I get the idea, yeah. Yeah, and of course, you know, it was making a comment about how we judge older people by their looks and that's not right. Applause, applause. You know, applause, applause.

I get it, it's not right, but we do it know, applause, applause. I get it. It's not right, but we do it. And to me, that's all ass backwards because if you were really mature, what you would understand is that life is a series of trade-offs. When you're young, you're stupid and beautiful, and then you get older and you get smarter

and worse looking. And mature people throughout the ages in all cultures have just accepted that, not us. Not us, not Hollywood. We have to be sexy until you're a million years old and anyone says different is bad. They're not just wrong, they're bad. Yeah. They're bad. They're bad people.

Well, Demi, first of all, could not look any better. I mean, for being in this movie about looking good, she looks great. Who? Demi Moore. Yeah, but, about looking good, she looks great. Who? To me, more. Yeah, but she doesn't look like she's 25. No. Which is the point of the movie. Is that what you're saying? She actually, a different actor plays her, right? Yeah. Yes, of course.

Yeah. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah, it's Margaret Qualley who is 25. Yeah. You know. I did kind of like her speech because she has been, you know, the idea that I thought I was kind of done, really done, you know, and so that was unexpected. No, I loved her speech. That's one speech I watched and it was great. First of all, it was in control. It was planned. She had a little thing to say. It was succinct. And she said, I love the part she said,

some producer told me a long, long time ago, you're a popcorn actress. You'll do well in movies that make money, but no, you're not gonna win awards. And so I thought that was terrific. You know what's funny is first of all, I think she's great. Second of all, I just want someone in a speech to go, you know what someone told me once?

You're going to be great. They never mentioned that. It's always the one guy that told him he'll never make it. But there's a lot of people along the way that say you'll probably be great. Did you have that, Bill? I mean, did you have a struggle where they didn't know what to do with you? Because you were in a half-hour sitcom first, right? Before becoming, doing real time.

Were you one of the pink ladies? I did four sitcoms. Four that made it to air? Yeah, I think so. I did Sarah with Gina Davis. I did Hard Knocks, one of the first sitcoms on Showtime. I was two mismatched detectives, if you can believe a thing like that.

I'm in. Were you in the show call? I think it's, I've had just about enough of you. Was that you? No, I never had that. I just made that up, but go ahead. Titles are funny. Bill Maher is Hard Knocks. I just made that up, but go ahead, titles are funny. Bill Maher in his heart box, all right.

I was in Bringing Up Chunky. I was the neighbor. No, and then I did one with Sam Kinison. Can't remember the name of that. Wow, but what year? I don't know, right before he died because he was a heroin addict who kept everybody waiting for hours while he sobered up.

I want to see the script where in parentheses after Sam it says in parentheses screams this next line. Every line is in all caps. Yeah, that was not- So was that your dream? You weren't thinking about hosting The Tonight Show or anything. You were thinking of being an actor? Did you ever host The Tonight Show?

No, I did not host it. I've been on it, you know, like, I don't know, 40 times or something. But no, I always wanted to do pretty much what I'm doing. But when I started, like I think a lot of us, the template was, well, you get on The Tonight Show, you do your little six minutes, little monkey goes out there and makes people laugh with good clean material. And then you get a sitcom like Robin Williams did and Roseanne and Freddie Prinze. Billy Crystal.

Yeah. Well, you know, that was a little before my time. My movie, which is even bigger. The idea is that you're going to get a sitcom based on you being a comedian, sometimes based on who we actually are as a comedian. But yeah, and that's what happened to me. I did my, my, my four or five Tonight Shows. I got on a big show, a sitcom with, uh, on NBC that was on after Family Ties. It was a big thing with a big producer, Gary David Goldberg.

That was, yeah. So that was, so that put me on that path. And then I did, you know, okay, so I'm that funny guy. I can do DC cab and I can do, you know, these funny little movies. And so that was really how I spent the eighties. And it was, you you know but it's okay because I would not have had the gravitas in my 20s to do a show about politics who's going to

listen to somebody that age you shouldn't uh so it was it came out just pretty much the way it should have and the technology so cable tv was starting and going, and then that expanded. There weren't places to do a talk show besides the major networks in the 80s, right? Yeah. I mean, when I went on with Politically Incorrect in 1993- Comedy Central. Yeah, Comedy Central. And that was the right place for the show like that. That was, you know, had nothing to lose.

And you could put a guy on. A little controversy. Yeah. If they like. Yeah, super cheap to make. Just get some chairs. Me, very cheap at the time. Were you cheap at that time?

Very cheap. When did you first get rich? Like, you don't have to tell a number. When did you first get a big, big paycheck and kind of went, holy shit? Well, I thought when I did that first sitcom, I remember my salary was $7,500 a week. Previously had been my yearly earnings as a comedian, a little more than that yearly, but maybe not really when I lived in New York. So that was like 1984, it was my second year out here. And to jump up to that was huge.

I immediately went to a store called Maxwell's, which was like this- What a loser. This- Why Maxwell's? Do you know this store? Come on, Ben. No, but it just sounds funny.

The guy gets money, goes right to Maxwell's. It was this clothing store. I think it was on Melrose or Robertson. And it was like where rock stars went. And all the clothes were unique and hysterically awful if you saw them today. But I could buy a sport coat for $1,500 or something. That was ridiculous, but I never was able to do that before.

Yeah, wow. That was the salary I got for one of the boys with Mickey Rooney and Nathan Lane in 1981 in New York. My first sitcom. Mickey Rooney. Mickey Rooney. Boy, that takes you back. To work with a guy who was able to portray an Asian person

in a movie and no one objected. And he probably got an award for it. With buck teeth, it was such a- Chewing on a log or something, eating crickets. A protest stereotype. I can't even do it. But Jerry Lewis did it too. By the way, in a crazy story that ties in Bill and Dana, we have the same management. He says, one time I go up for a sitcom and they want me so bad, they say,

we're going to audition you to the network and then seven people for the other guy. and you to the network and then seven people for the other guy. I was like, fuck yeah. So I of course make my deal for like $25,000 for a pilot so I'm basically spending the money. So I go there and the first read they go, great. The second read they go, maybe a little more energy on this one.

Third read they go, new guy with me. And they go, maybe a little less energy on this. Now I see them sweating. Then they go, maybe we'll just for laughs, switch parts just to mix things up. Just you read his every year. And I, by the way, I see nothing wrong. I'm like, cool, I'm adaptable.

I don't realize there's places on fire. And so I finish, I go to see Mark Gervitz, our manager, and I walk and he goes, all the people that just made $30,000 as a pilot take one step forward. Not so fast, Spade. That's how he told me. I go, what are you talking about?

He goes, how did you ruin that? You were the only one up for your part. I go, what? I didn't get it. I can tell you exactly how, because I remember those days and not fondly. But here's the deal. You go into read first and we're comics.

So we already have an advantage because before you get to read, you usually have a little chit chat with the writer producers. By the way, I was so green when I started that I didn't realize that the producers were the writers. And one time I said to the producers, who wrote this shit? Not realizing it was them. But okay, so we go in and being comics, we can get them laughing before we even start reading the shit. So like we warm up the crowd and then it's like,

oh, we're laughing, this guy's funny. Now we're gonna read it. You read it the first time and you're funnier than the fucking actors if it's a silly sitcom. So you kill, so they bring you back. But now they've heard you do it once. So you do it again and they're still laughing, but you know, it's kind of getting old. And by the eighth time they brought you back, it just looks stale because they've heard you do it so much. And then they bring in somebody who's not as good,

but it's fresh. The reading is fresh and they look better. And that's how you- And they've heard about your story that happened on the 405 on the way there six times. So it's like, that's not funny anymore. Now it's just- Bill, did you ever walk into an audition room

and see sort of versions of yourself? Cause to the case of one, I walk in and see weak chin, baby faced androgynous young men. Here's my story about that. Exactly what you're talking about. Walk into one and Charles Fleischer. We know Charles Fleischer, right? Okay. How would you describe Charles Fleischer? Oh my goodness.

Eccentric. Eccentric. Funny. He was Roger Rabbit. Roger Rabber. Yeah. Did he, was he the first one to do where he put the stool upside down? I think maybe Rob did it later.

Oh, seating for four, see, seating for four game in, he put the stool upside down. I think maybe Rob did it later. Oh, seating for four, seating for four game in. He put the stool upside down. Turned the stool upside down. Table for four. Yeah. I never had that. Table for four game in. I thought that was Charlie Flash. But he had a, he had a kind of a mad scientist look at him. Yeah, mad scientist, crazy. Okay. So I walk in and we have a little conversation and he goes, okay, pricks over here, nuts over here. It's like I was always like the sarcastic, the prick part and I was sitting with the pricks

and he was over there with the guy who's the nut. Like that's what his sitcom had. It had a prick and it had a nut. When I did Sarah, I remember the ad came out in TV Guide and it had the four of us, Gina Davis, Academy Award nominee, Alfrey Woodard, great, Brunson Pinchot, and me and a little description of who we were.

And under mine it said, the office creep. So that's- That's a good spinoff. That's what I was playing. I was Marty, the office creep. Well, they're always, they have to have a- I remember that show. A crane or someone to come in and be funny. That's usually the ones you try to get, but office creep.

That's the Fleischer part. The nut. He's the nut. I did a pilot with Kramer. Oh, you did? Yeah. What's his real name? Michael.

From Seinfeld. Michael. Yeah. And? Called City Slickers. I was the cop in the little town and I was the straight man. And he was the wacky New York East detective. Oh, he was the wacky and you weren't? No, I was always cast as a straight man.

Every pilot, I was on two TV shows, one with James Ferrantino, I was straight man, always a straight man. Always. Until SNL. Can I ask something of you guys about aging here? Because like, I'm just picturing people watching this, listening to this, who are the age we were, when we were listening to, I don't know, Shecky Green and George Burns. Don Rickles. Yes, and just, first of all, we wanted to be comics,

so we love those guys. But the idea that we're the old guys is just, it's just mind blowing because in our minds, we're not, we're not, you know, in our minds we're the same guys. But I know people, how can these guys have stories about the eighties if they're not fucking in? I remember hearing that Norm Crosby, who was maybe 56 at the time, was bugging his manager,

Bernie Burleson. He really wanted a sitcom. And I was thinking, at that age? What does he expect? At 56? Get the fuck out of here. I mean, anybody in our age group, when I went back to SNL, I'm riffing and talking to Marcelo, he's 27. And we're just like peers working on stuff. And I'm grandpa age.

You don't feel like- Technically, I'm old enough to be the grandpa. Marcelo's like, who's James Ferrantino? And you're like, oh, he's a guy that pops in the stores. I would love to have had a podcast. like, oh, he's a guy that pops in the stories. But I would love to have had a podcast. If Carson afterwards, he quit the show, had a podcast where he was real and talking about stuff, might've been really fun.

Didn't exist. Yeah, and at his height, I think he was getting 17 million a night for a show that went on at 11.30. I mean, a year, right? 17 million a night for a show that went on at 1130. I mean, a year, right? 17 million a night. Yeah. Yeah. 17 million viewers, I think. Oh, 17 million viewers. Yeah, at least. Yeah. Not money. Yeah, viewers. Which is like, I mean, prime time shows don't often get a 10th of that. No.

No. But what if there were 4 million other talk shows? I know. Yeah. That's a hard part. That's the difference between podcasting and broadcast television from that era. If there were 4 million people instead of just Alan Thicke trying to dethrone Johnny. But you might find this interesting that the Baby Boomers for the first time, when we grew up, it was 18 to 49 for the advertisers. That's where the money is. Right. And the boomers have 78 trillion for the first time because the homes we bought escalated and everything. So we, the money is being tilted toward us, the bachelor at, and you know, the golden bachelor, stuff like

that. So it's kind of interesting that we're the rich demographic, unfortunately, for the young people. And you know, but a lot of that money is being transferred to the younger generations. During the next 20 years. So by the time he gets 57, he can buy a home. Well, okay, but a lot of that money is just being passed down, especially when they're in their 20s and 30s. So I know we're squares and everything's bad and we ruined the world, but you know, they're not saying no to the money, I noticed.

Oh no, well we... I've noticed. Yeah. Yeah. What, in your porous days, just describe your apartment. How much was it? Did you have rabbit ears for apartment how much was it did you have rabbit ears for a t d was all you to live alone uh... i i i was really poor

from uh... college really for a freshman year of college until i moved out here i would say i really experience what poverty was now not to sound like shaky greener alan kanger guys in the old days but but i'm going to sound like Shaggy Green or Alan King or guys in the old days, but I'm going to sound like it when I say, but we didn't know we were poor, you know, because we had love. That's a good character. You should do that. I like that guy. Well, okay, but like when I look back at college, oh, I lived in slums. My first year I lived in dorm four, which was temporary housing built in 1945, which

was still up in the seventies. My room was the size of a closet, which I shared with somebody. The bathroom was at the end of the hall and boy, did that stink on a Sunday night. Then I then there was Ithaca, New York. This is where I was at Cornell. I mean, you moved into a frat, which I didn't wanna do. Not that I also forced was not even close to being invited, but okay, let's just say I didn't wanna do it.

So you moved into College Town, which were slums. I mean, it was like Appalachia up there. And these slums, these town slums. Shout out to Appalachia. Yes, shout out to Appalachia. These slumlords. And they had this automatic supply of tenants because every year new college kids need a place to live. So they didn't have to make the places acceptable.

They were horrible. And then I moved to New York. Oh my God. Of course. First, I moved to New York. Oh my god. First, I lived on in Spanish Harlem. I walked home every night at two in the morning from the clubs into a pretty rough neighborhood. Never was bothered. They looked at me and went, this guy has nothing. There is he's just got the t-shirt on his back and there's no reason to try to rob him. And it was a five-floor walk-up.

The bathroom, it did have a bathroom, but it was just what they called a water closet. It was just a hole with a chain where you could take a dump. No shower. You sat in a tub in the kitchen with one of those attachments. Okay, this is getting good. This is getting up there. You got- Then I had my first apartment

on Eighth Avenue over a bus stop. It was at least my own. It was a studio, which means one little room. But that was, and I used to live on the blimpies that was across the street. It was a dollar 90 for a three cheese sub. So I love that I had that experience. I don't remember loving it at the time, but it's good for you never, I always had too much pride to ever ask, I guess I could have asked my parents for a little help, they weren't doing too well at the time either but you know, it was just, it just never entered my mind to like reach out because it was

like no, let's just thug it out. Yeah. And then how many years after your first set did you make a living as a standup? How long did it take you? Well, okay. So my rent at the shit box on 8th Avenue, it started out at 250 in 1980 or 79 or something. And then it was automatically rose 9% a year. So say I was paying like $300. Yeah, I could make rent and probably food was like another $100 a month. So say my whole nut was $500. Okay, by 1980, I was MCing at Catcher Rising Stars. You got $50 a night for that.

And if I did maybe one or two out of town gigs, I really wasn't ready for that, but I took some and it was terrible experiences when I bombed, but okay, that's part of it. So I could probably live, and I also sold pot. That was really how I lived. So between the pot and the MCing, yeah, I could make my nut by 1980. Nice. Bill, I have a question about. Inspirational for children, isn't it?

Bill, on your show now on HBO. What's that called again? Real time and it comes back January 17th. My special comes, is on January 10th. Friday, January 10th. But I have a real time question too. Do you, I know there was an ABC, you left there eventually. You go to, I think it's straight to HBO. You've been there ever since. And is there any, there must be some things you get into

that the ruffle feathers or is there just kind of autonomy you do what you want? Who writes these questions for you? That sounds like some producer wrote that question. No, it's AI. Certainly you don't have a producer on the show. We barely have me and Dana. We buy the mics and the lights, we do everything. This is the most dog shit, low end, low fire. Yeah, trust me, we know, but that's what works. That's what works about it. It's no Club Random, that's a sweet thing you've got, those embedded cameras.

The difference is, all ants, yeah. He's like, the Club Random's like the bachelor. They have like cameras on the way in, and we introduce. Hey, you and I are the last two bachelors. And by the way, speaking of that, I think a great show would be one of us, mostly probably me, doing the Golden Bachelor,

but like our real lives, not with an age appropriate woman, because that's boring, with an age inappropriate woman, because you know what the appropriate age for a relationship is? One that works. Look at Bill Belichick, 73 and 22, and they seem happy. Or Cher.

Or Madonna. Exactly. Madonna, they go for the twenties as well. It seems to me, and I want you to comment on this, when women get power, they seem to go younger, like men who get power go younger. Yeah, absolutely. That happens.

Kate Beckinsale went out with Pete Davidson, and I think a few other younger guys. And yeah, I mean, and when they do it, when they do it, it's empowering. When men do it, we're perverts. Good for her. Yeah. I never felt that. I remember you said everyone wanted you to get married. I go, no one wants you to get married. People do.

But there are people who do, but I would think that it's absurd. And I also think that since women are wired differently, it's not like they're with someone wealthy and famous. They're literally really attracted to the personality that does stuff. I mean, it takes a lot of something to get where you're at. And that's attractive to a woman.

Yes. Well, as we were saying before, women are deeper and we're gonna keep telling ourselves that. No. It's... I'm trying. It's... I'm trying.

But don't you think that would be a great show, the Golden Bachelor, but with women that David and I are attracted to and that doesn't make us bad people. I keep getting roped into it. Well, yeah, I don't think it should be me or you, but we should get a guy. No, it has to be a comedian. It has to be.

It should have a comedian on that show anyway. But yes. And you know what the title of it is, and this is from Mickey Rooney about, because I asked him, how did you have sex with all those starlets? You know, he's five feet tall in the 1940s. He said, quote, money makes you handsomer. Right. What was the line he had when he brought, I think it was Jane Mansfield

up on the stage at an award show when he brought, I think it was Jane Mansfield up on the stage at an award show when he was right at tit level and he had some great line. Giving them milkers. Something like, it's not bad being short. I forget what it was, but it was a great moment. I think we'd be more normal if we were, if I was married and divorced, I would be more normal. More usual yes. Never married you know where did the phrase come up? Confirmed bachelor. When are you guys confirmed?

Yes in the in the old days that was a no seriously. I think I've said it about myself. Code for gay right? Yes that was a euphemism for gay. Just the way in Hollywood, a woman's director was a code for a gay director. Oh, I didn't know that. I think George Cue Carr, for example, but if I'm wrong about that, please don't sue me. He may have been the most he-man-iest of the guys.

I think that's who I'm talking about. But there were ones who were, you know, gay directors and that was, he was a woman's director. You know, they were very genteel in those days. They didn't say things outright. I've been described as a female comic, whatever that means. That means, I won't say. Okay, so Bill, thanks for coming. We can wrap him up. He's a good guy. Yeah, yeah.

He's got a life to lead. We're gonna give you your evaluation after. I'm gonna, you really kind of barked at me toward the end, but overall I think we had a good run here. I enjoyed it because, and you do this as well, as long as everything else you do, the best podcasts are when you're never checking the clock. And I didn't check the clock on this one.

I just. Oh, I could talk to you guys all day and you're so funny. And I know that sounds like I'm just kissing up. I don't think you're the kind of guy that kisses up though. Whatever you say, I believe you think. I was just gonna say, I think I have the credibility at this point, having lost 40 Emmys, that my billboard, I think they're putting up,

they're doing a replay of one I had from 10 years ago. They were going over like, you've been on a long time, they gotta come up with new catchphrases. And they came to the end of it and they were like, oh, we never kind of, I could tell they were kind of afraid to try this one. I was like, just say it. We don't have anything. And it was, he's not in it for the likes. And I was like that. I love that so fucking much. And so I think the one this year says he's still not in it for the likes, which I love. I'm not. I love being honest. That's my reward. So when I say you guys are the killing is funniest, you can take that to the bank as Robert Blake used to say.

Whatever happened to him? He just went in to get his gun. It was in the restaurant and he came back out. He likes Italian food, that's all I know. He forgot it and then he went and got it. Okay, you both owe me a new Club Random episode. Oh my God, is this how it works? Oh my God.

I wanna go on there again. That was really interesting. That was cool, I liked it. I'm gonna get blasted this time though. Me too. Thanks Bill, I miss you. Thanks, you too. Enjoyed it.

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