Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Bill O'Reilly Is "Easy To Hate (And That's A Fact)"

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Bill O’Reilly drops in with an important message: his latest book was written for The Church Lady. Then, Bill and the guys discuss working for yourself vs. the corporate grind, how TV (and journalism) changed in the digital age, and what comedians are allowed to joke about now. Bill also reacts to Dana’s Biden impression, weighs in on SNL’s current vibe, dishes stories about Dennis Miller and Norm Macdonald, explains why Billy Joel inexplicably loves him, and shares a few thoughts on Gavin Newsom, AI, and—casually—how to end the Ukraine war. Through it all, Bill proves something no one saw coming: he’s way funnier than you think. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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But out of respect for you and Spade, the last time I saw Spade, we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hills. You know me, I've been on every talk show a million times. I'm banned from you from now. I hear about me. If they hates me. Dean if they hate you. Hates you? Hold on.

So does the blonde. The cuddly is cuddly bear. Amy Polar. Oh, so does the blonde me? Hates me. Dana, Bill O'Reilly is on today. Bill O'Reilly. Who is interesting guests for us a little different,

off the beaten path. Friends with Dennis Miller, that's where I met him. Billy. And has books out, lots of books out. He's a very much. much a thinker and a doer.

And he says he's an independent. I mean, a lot of people, including myself, were thinking, oh, you're obviously right politically. And he says, that was kind of shocking. He really, what we talked about was his latest book was about the history of kind of evil people, like Genghis Khan and stuff. And it's a very easy read, but it's really informative.

you know how much you know about all these you know napoleon or all these people who did evil things yeah he does have a poland was in there a deep knowledge of history we didn't really get into too much politics but which is good you know we just talked about the books and about dennis and about he does love comedy and so i thought it was a nice chat yeah and he he does talk to trump on the phone twice a month so he says uh so some insightful things about the man who occupies the White House. Yeah. If you're interested, I think it'll be fun to listen to.

It's a fun listen, and here he is, Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly. I feel like I'm on your show. This is really funny. You've got a nice studio tie on. Now, I'm watching you guys here. Can't hear me? Can't hear us?

Yeah. Spade looks like he's in a bad cave. You look like you're in Bali, Indonesia. Yes. You got to have plants and podcasts. Yeah, absolutely. Because most people your interview are potted plants anyway. Oh, my gosh.

She's two in a row. How old are you? I'm 17. This will be, and thanks for having me on, you guys. I really appreciate it. We're excited to talk to you. You're never, ever boring, ever. Well, you know, that's probably true, but I know that you have access to the Kardashians.

And I'm very, very flattered to be here. That's right. We do. By the way, I'm really enjoying your book. Let's just start with this, because I have a lot of other questions, secular questions about society and all that. Sure, sure. But I am really enjoying it. I'd recommend it to anyone confronting evil.

I'm a casual history buff, but you realize you don't really know. I love the way it's written. I read Genghis Khan first. It's very nice and terse sentences. It's very clear. It moves. It has a thesis. And they tell you what they're eating and how they're sleeping.

So I'm just really enjoying it. I read Mao this morning. So I'm in a very cheerful mood about the state of humanity. You read all the fun parts first. It's bite-sized chapters, quote, unquote, and you can go anywhere you want, but it's just the most evil people in history. So anyway, that's my pitch. You know, Carvey, I wrote the book specifically for the church lady.

I mean, Satan and I was commiserating with the church lady, and she demanded that I write confronting evil to get all the evil out there. And what the church lady commands, I do. So I want everybody to know that. I talked to her before I came out. I can only paraphrase it. Well, well, well, Mr. Bill O'Reilly writes a book about naughty people when he could have been writing about himself. There you go. Everyone wants a church lady, he's a singer.

So anyway, how are you? Where are you in your cycle? I knew you'd be early on the podcast, and you seemed to have unlimited energy. So what are you going to take a nap after this podcast? I am. I may take a nap during the podcast. That's what most of the customers do. But out of respect for you and Spade, the last time I saw Spade, we were both shoplifting in Beverly Hill. I don't know whether, I don't know whether you remembers that we were

one of those big stores on Beverly Boulevard. Oh, it was Barney's. Yeah, yeah. He stashed a little shirt in his sweatshirt. I think I had some silverware in my pants. and we kind of just ran into each other. Right, on the stairs, I knew I had up to $1,000, so nobody cared. I ran out of there. No, Barney's closed. It was sad. It was sad.

I couldn't waste money anymore. But anyway, you know, my cycle is interesting. I'm kind of a little bit like you guys, but you're much more talented than I am. What we did hear once I left Fox News was I said, look, I'm going to, I've been working corporations now for 42 years and I'm going to do it on my own now. I'm going to go out. So I did three corporations, one TV, one radio and one books and internet, social media. And I took five people from Fox with me and then we grew it. 60 people worked for me, six zero now. So I'm like 87 years old, which you could probably see. And my friends are all driving around and car.

and playing pickleball. And I said, are you really hitting the pickles? I mean, what are you doing? What is that? Yeah, but I'm working like a Sherpa. I mean, I would rather be taking luggage up to Himalayas than doing what I'm doing now. Sometimes working for someone is okay, but sometimes. Yeah, but at least I'm calling my own shots, you know.

Well, that trend has only accelerated exponentially since you started and Glenn Beck and then everybody else and Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson, they create their own ecosystem and there's no difference and everybody's watching everything on YouTube. And so, I mean, to me, for you to have a boss doesn't seem correct. Well, I never really had one other than, but there was some big boys like Rune Arledge. She was the guy that started Monday Night Football and Howard Costell and then it was Roger Ailes. You were tough guys. They were like Lord Michaels for you guys. I mean, you can go up against them, but you better have your stuff together. But I was never a corporate guy.

So I stayed at Fox for more than 20 years, banked a lot of money. And then I said, I'm going to try to do this on my own because of the technology, and it's worked great. And not only that, but the freedom that we have, because you're in the same in business now, is just for me emotionally really a boost. That's where I get my energy. So I was in L.A. over the weekend with Marr. Yeah. Yes.

His dopey show. I saw it. You know, he works for HBO. Now, he's got autonomy like crazy. He's been there 23 years. He can do pretty much what he wants to do. He's got, you know, a thousand. writers and all of this, but he's still got that corporate structure.

You know, he still has to go to the meetings and stuff like that. And, you know, I'm saying, hey, Mark, you probably make more money just doing this on your own, which he's starting to do. Right, with a brand. With a podcast, he's inching over. Yeah. But he could do the same kind of show himself. And yeah, so I'm glad I was around long enough to see this happen, you know, because going

on a traditional talk show, you get the Q&A. up front the host is feeding you you know and now it's just we're this is like green room stuff we're just getting to talk to you unfiltered are you guys amazed though that in our lifespans i'm older than you but we came up in the what they call the golden era of of tv linear tv are you surprised at the changes and how fast they came in? David? Yeah, I am for sure. And I'm also surprised.

It's also hard to stay in the business in any way, shape, or form. Because it goes, it switches over to TikTok. I mean, I was on sitcoms for a while. There's not many sitcoms being made. There's a lot of people doing it to do it yourself way, as you're talking about. Some it works, some it doesn't.

But if you have an audience, hopefully they can find you and you can get a bigger piece and call the shots. I look at that Jimmy Kimmel situation. There's definitely two sides of like having a boss and saying what you want to say. And unless you are the boss, it just shows you can't always, it's not like real freedom of speech. It's more like we have to keep it within reason for advertise. There's always sort of a boss, right, unless you're doing your own thing. Absolutely.

And not only that, though, it weighs you down. Because YouTube in particular, creative, funny guys, I'm more of a journalist kind of give me the facts and all that. But when you have to, when you're being second guest, all right? Yeah. That kind of emotional stuff cuts into the creativity. Because you're creative, you're going to make mistakes. You're going to screw up.

Sometimes it's going to fall flat. But in order to get the big hits, you got to. try stuff and all the corporate suits are like oh no we can't do that sure um but the Kimmel and Colbert and I I know all these guys and I yeah you you know me I've been on every talk show a million times I'm banned from them now I hear about me okay John Stewart you have to be banned from some yeah yeah that changed and it's a bad change for America but once Trump came in uh if you didn't hate Trump, then you were banished. I was on a view like a dozen times and, you know,

mixed it up with the ladies and it was, you know, when Barbara Walters was around was good. But once they started to really hate Trump, I was talking to Kimmel through one of its friends, and I said, look, it's okay to make fun of Trump. But if you hate them, if there's just blood dripping from your nose, you're alienating 50% of the country. You know, don't be more. get them if you want, all right? But don't be hateful about it. That is what has changed. My philosophy is to be funny first,

because that's the way I was, you know, raised on comedy. Be funny first. If you make a point within it, but if it's just the goal is to teach as a comedian, I don't really like that style personally. Yeah. It's hard to be taught.

What happened is that, and I'm partially. responsible for this. I never got I had Ted Cople on the factor and Coppill looked at me and said, you ruined television news. And I said, thank you. Thank you. It needed to be ruined because pinheads like you were excluding half the country. All right, we couldn't, you couldn't get their point of view because you guys are sitting in the ivory towers in Manhattan. So I'm glad I broke it down. But then what it went was in when again, Trump comes in. They were making money hating them, and they're making money like him.

And that's where it all broke down. So now when people turn on linear television, they expect to get propaganda on one side or the other. And then the social media, at least some of us, and I include you guys, in that, we're not interested in making money hating or loving somebody we want to be entertaining and informative and that's why i think we win yeah um i'd agree with that i agree if you're looking to refresh your space and make your home work better for you wayfair makes it incredibly easy from furniture and decor to smart organization solutions and outdoor essentials there's something for every style whether that's that

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For comedians in the last seven, eight years, it's been very, very touchy. And you did sort of start to say to yourself, well, I can't say that. And I don't really, I'm not X-rated or anything, but even certain kind of takes, couldn't do it. X-rated is better than having a point-out-take. As an outsider. And then I'll give you an example. Okay. Okay.

So I'm watching you on SNL with Biden. That's what I was going to bring up. Go ahead. It's brilliant. I mean, I'm on the floor. I'm on the floor, okay? But I like you anyway. I like both of you or I wouldn't be here.

So I don't do podcasts and people I don't like. Thank you. So I'm going, this, look, but it wasn't malicious. It wasn't Alex Ballwin. Like, if I could beat his brains, then I would. No, you would just be, you're making fun of them. All right, but I know that Saturday Night Live got some blowback from it. What do you make it fun of Biden for?

You know, and that's the problem. You've got SNL now, knows its audience is 90% liberal. So they're feeding them that stuff. It's still funny, all right? But they're feeding them that. But I think it got to the point where they were allowing it. You could make fun of Biden because after that George Clooney article, it started to switch.

And then it was like, okay, Dana. Yeah. Yeah, there's a big line in the sand because Lorne had asked me to do him when he was still going to be the nominee, you know. And I said, okay, I'll try, you know, because I knew it was a slippery slope and he had to thread the needle, even if I was in a club or doing it anywhere. And then he's not running anymore. And Kamala's in there. And that's when I emerged. But when I came out the first night with my Rudolph, I was ready for maybe a heckling, you know.

So I had it loaded in my head in case someone heckled me. I'd say, get your facts straight, Jack. You know, I wanted to just get back at him, but it just started with this. And this isn't political. You would say these non sequiturs, this was the hook. Folks, guess what? And by the way, the fact the matter is, no, I'm being serious here. I'm not kidding around.

So that was like a little song for me that didn't make a statement, but I felt that he was underserved, if you could say it that way, in the satirical department during his tenure, whether a president deserves it or not, you feel like it's a good sign of people who are having some fun with the guy who was in charge of our country. But it was fun to go in there and do that.

And the audience at that point accepted what I was doing. And I don't really actively hate anyone I do. Like in my heart, I hate this person. I'm going to do an impression. You would be the exception. I would. Because I'm really, easy to hate. And that is a fact. The other aspect of what you guys do that intersects with what I do

is that you have to be honest about it. So I like the guy who does Trump now on SNL. James Austin Johnson, yes. I like him because he's a pro and he gets his lines in, but it doesn't drip of malice. You can see that he's doing his job as a comedian to deliver funny lines. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just what it crosses over into the destruction. When I went out to L.A. this weekend, I had a person walk up to me at the HBO studio and goes, well, I was so happy to have a Republican guest.

And I go, well, who's that? around. I'm not a Republican. And the person was like shocked. I said, I'm a registered independent. What I'm trying to do is find a best problem solver for the country, and that's who I'm going to get behind. But I'm not going to, you know, I am a traditional American, no doubt about it. I like all that. I think that's why we're the most powerful nation in the world that's ever exist. And that's one of the reasons I wrote confronting evil was because we have evil in America. And I want people to know about it. And I write about the slave traders coming to richest men in the world by doing this horrible stuff in New Orleans and Virginia. And then I write about Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan, who are, you know, Wall Street icons to this day.

They were rotten bastards. Okay. And Teddy Roosevelt took them out. And so I'm the gun of guy that isn't an ideologue. And ideologs bore me to death. I just, it's just the same stuff over and over and over again. The propaganda stuff. I hate it. Well, I think it's smart to be independent because if you say you're right, everyone just thinks so far extreme white supremacist or whatever the labels are.

And if you say you're a Democrat, they think so far left. So there's tons of people that are still in the middle that want to think clearly and just sort of go case by case issue by issue. But if someone gets a whiff, you're one side of the other, it's immediately a problem or not. That's affecting everything when we say we're not political, but it affects the dating world. My friends are saying they go on a date and they're being felt out to see what they are right away to know if it's going to go any further. It wasn't like that. the old is it's it's come into talk shows and everything that what in comedy that wasn't like that now it's sort of infecting everything and really splitting people up even families families for sure

yeah i mean thanksgiving coming up you know and it's like okay here's uncle fred and he's a commie and i'm going to hit him with the great so even his uncle zohran mandami at dinner let's see what what happens one of the reasons uh i put that knit with uh dennis miller on my show finally the one and only dennis oh my god what a brain i i remember going this is the greatest story so i always liked uh miller uh because miller to me took no BS from anybody okay and i know that to be true so i went into roger else and i said this was right after miller was on CNBC and he had a monkey on a show. I don't know whether you guys remember that.

He's a monkey, a real monkey, okay, on the show. His name is Gleiko. Right. It was inexplicable. There was no real reason to have the monkey, but then there was a monkey. The show did not do well. That was the jump to shark monkey. Yeah, the chip didn't quite, his trainer overfed him, you know.

Next thing, I know I'm at an 0.2, all right? So I knew Miller a little bit, and I knew how brilliant he was. Brilliant mind. So I went into Al's, the head of Fox, and I go, I want to put Miller on the air. And he goes, why? Hey, isn't he the guy with the monkey? I said, yeah, we won't use the monkey. That's now his thing.

But Al's worked at CNBC, so he knew. I said, we're not using the monkey. we're just going to use Miller, all right, just once a week, because I want to get a totally unpredictable take on the country, on the world. Very true, yeah, you'll get it. Right? Yeah.

And it worked, it worked great. And it would just, boom, it blew up. Everybody looked forward to, and then Miller and I went out on the road. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, and phenomenal. Huge audiences, huge. Huge. I know from Dennis.

Yeah, we did. We did well. the only shows that I did that were more successful before I did with Trump, which were unbelievable about attendance and grosses and stuff like that, because that was after he lost the election, even though he'd never admit he lost it, he lost it.

And we went out to the arenas, and we did a history thing. But Miller's, to this day, the way he can analyze stuff, he just cuts right through to garbage and gets right to the essence of how absurd it is, which is what I was looking for. Yeah. He's amazing.

I mean, it's quoted at the end of the day. It was like, Jesus, all I'm trying to do is keep half my money and kill the bad guys, all right? That was like a nice, tight way. Now, you guys, you got to tell me something now. Sure, please. I tried to drag Miller to the anniversary show, which I was invited to. was a 30th or 30 or 30, something. 50s.

He wouldn't go to the SNL anniversary show. So I did a skit for them, a what-up skit. Is that the Keenan? Yeah, that's right. Right. Oh, you were in that. I was in that. And I said, and Michaels was kind enough to invite me to the show.

Nobody would sit next to me. So I had the big row to my son. Was this the 40th or the 50th? Which, which was 10 years ago? 40th. And I go, Millie, you got to come to the SNL reunion thing with me. Come on, be huge. And he wouldn't go. I'll send the monkey. Do you guys know why I wouldn't go?

That's a tough one. We should have a mom right now. He wouldn't tell me either. Yeah. I said, Miller, it's got to be a reason. I know he doesn't like tons of fanfare, but he's kind of private quiet i don't know i thought it was that he was shooting um he was shooting the bordello of blood too this was surprisingly good in that movie uh yeah rising oh he's brilliant yeah yeah yeah but i i think with dennis like i always say of a single update guy to the camera you know there's always the first guy chevy i think dennis is the best to do it there were teams of tina fay and jennie but i think dennis is the best and then he was sort of other you know he was considered a conservative in hollywood in a certain way so i don't know you know which was unfair

because i i see him as an independent like you oh absolutely you know he's not an ideal all you need is to give someone a whiff and then word spreads yeah yeah but That's what happened with him, yeah. Norm McDonald was very good, way ahead of his time. Yes. Still would be. A new and weekend update. Right.

Time would never catch up to Norm. There's an example of you're on a show and your boss doesn't like you, Don Olomeyer, and you get fired. And it was ridiculous. But that being said, I understood the animists. Well, it was Norm just- Norm's bananas. You tell him not to do any jokes about it. He's going to, I can't not do him.

Yeah. How can I not do it? You get fired. That's where I could not do it. Here's my Norm story. My 16-year-old son at the time, a Norm is playing Long Island out in Huntington, and we go to see him. And Norm and I had a very good relationship. So we went backstage, so he looks at my son, and he goes, whose name is Spencer.

He goes, Spencer, I go one piece of advice for you. My son's 16, and he loves Norm. What's that, Mr. McDonald? Don't smoke crack. It's not a bad nugget. Of all the advice? Yeah. It's very norm.

You start with the softballs. Yeah. And then my son's look at me like, what? What? Yeah. No, there's only one norm and one down. Those guys, you know, fantastic. And I was privileged to to interact with both of them, I have to say, because what you guys do is very, very difficult.

Thank you, Bill. No, it's the hard part of showbiz. Because you've got to be on it all the time. Expectations are through the roof and you got to perform. You've got to come through. It's like hitting cleanup for the Dodgers, you know. If you're going to ground it to double blaze, you're not going to be there long. Tina Faye said that once

that just every time you go out on a talk show as a comedian you feel you have to kill you have to kill and if you don't then you blame yourself because who else is here to blame I blame the crowd yeah Tina Faye hates me

Tina Faye hates you Hates you Hold on So does it blonde The cuddly is cuddly bear Amy polar Oh so does the blonde me Hates me

Not me more Amy right oh Amy yeah hates me to the extent that it's funny I could see that yeah oh boy this is the worst here he comes to the Neanderthal of all time here he is do you get your feelings hurt are you yeah lost ship at sea or have you gotten post any of that just knowing where or is that just your nature from childhood I mean you read comments You can take a lot of hits like Trump takes hits. It just keeps going. Listen, I've been friends with Trump for 35 years,

and he's the only human being I know who can take more garbage than I can. The guy is like, he's like, boom. I couldn't take one percent of that. It's a Star Wars shield there. But when you were raised in Levittown, like I was, and in post-World War II, when there were like 80,000 kids on the street, street and your parents didn't want you in the house.

Why don't you go, it's 14 below zero? No, no. Here's some earmuffs out of here. Yeah. I don't care what it was. When you're out there with that many kids, unsupervised, in a working class ghetto, which was what Levitown was, you're fighting all the time. I mean, you're ranking people out.

Your mother is this, you're that, you know. So about a time I was 16, I was numb to all of that. Now, I have a list of people who were untoward, toward me and my family. There is a list. But usually the other stupid stuff, I just swat it away, and so does Trump. That Levittown sounds like Instagram comments in real life. People aren't used to that. They're not used to the world of that in your face.

They hate you and not just online. We had to fight, but I didn't get to six, three, When did you achieve your height? I was always a big boy. I was an athlete and that saved me. I played four sports and I'd be in a penitentiary. In fact, when I go back to my Levittown neighborhood because I live fairly close there on Long Island,

people go, how come you're not in a penitentiary? The over-under was you were going to be in there by the time you were 22. Oh, right. Nobody saw you being a huge success. No. Did you ever get Billy Joel in a, a headlock. Yeah. Did you ever get Billy Joel in a headlock? Thanks for bringing it up. So

Billy Joel lived in Levitown too. Yes, I know he wrote the song. Yeah. Yeah. So he lived in the Hicksville section of Levitown. I lived in the Westbury section. Leviton is so humongous. They divide up the four post office. And that's why Al Franken was calling me a fraud. Oh, your word. Well, Robert Town. All right, yeah, fine. Okay. Al, by the way, is in prison in Burma, right now. So you haven't seen him around. It's where he is. We know all these people. Yeah, he's on the list. So anyway, Billy Joel and I would cross paths with same age in the summertime up what they call the green where there was no air conditioning. Nobody had air conditioning, 117, the 112. No fucking chance. He had his crew. I had my crew. We'd all go up there at night. And

sing. Everybody would sing Acapella. The Jets and the Sharks. So, yeah. So Billy Joel, it was August, middle August, 95, it's wearing a leather jacket. Every night he'd be wearing a leather jacket. Get the slick back here. I go, hey, Billy, it's 98. In the middle of that. He's a cigarette. So I kept in touch with them all these years.

Nice. I like that. Yeah. He's a little bit. He's a good guy. Absolutely. A lot of these rock people, I mean, you know. He has no pretense, Billy Joel. No overt ego at all. He talked to anybody.

Super talented, though. Good guy. So about 10 years ago, I invited him to dinner over my place. So he comes with his wife and my two kids are there. And we sang a song at the dinner table so in love by the table. so in love by the times. He was the lead, I was the backup. I thought my daughter was going to have a heart attack.

Like this. That's a huge deal. And her comment to her friend goes, Billy Joe was at my house. I don't know why he likes my father. My own daughter. Are you a good singer? I mean, no, you're probably not going to do an aquapella.

I got to carry a tune. I can do I can so in love are we to that you know I can do that what he's like so if you're smart all you do I do that's all you do that's all you yeah yeah support the genius stay near Billy yeah for sure I want to get your hot take on a couple yeah let's get some take these are secular things and that's when you go to like an apolitical thing okay AI. Afraid of it.

We're trying to make the super brain, these data centers. We need a super brain to solve cancer, solve these things. Excited about it. Hot take. Yeah, I'm a Luddite, number one. I know anything about any of that. But it's inevitable, and I'm going to accept it, but it will never replace me or you because AI is not going to be born within a

talent. Keep that in mind. Okay. We just need it to process a billion bits of information in a billionth of a second and tell us how to make fusion energy. Bitcoin, got it. Oh, sorry, David, do you have a question? I had one. Okay. Is who's going to, my money under my bed. Okay. Are you just in bonds? You're not a stock market guy either. No, I do. My financial advisor, Swifty. We have a nice portfolio. We believe in capitalism, and we've done okay.

Okay. Do you think Gavin Newsom will be the next president? Bolivia. Can't be. Can't be president. For one reason, the hair. Look at all 45. presence you can't have hair like that and I said that tomorrow I said what you have in

common with Newsom is the hair oh I saw yeah guys got the hair you can't sell a modeling comp card you guys yeah live in California yes so you know yes what went on or what goes on out there is going to be forefront I don't think Governor Newsom has a chance stand up to the his record in California I personally don't agree with all these policies because it's kind of affecting me but when you go on the national scale sometimes the other states don't really care he yeah but he's so out there and he's adopted a lot of the trump tactics a lot of the uh right he has he has done the beams and stuff yeah yep yep he's doing that so i think a guy like west more the governor of maryland probably got a better

chance uh because his record is stronger than newsome's record Yeah, and there's also the voice. And he would be Gavin, what you call a pretty boy, you know. He's a little pretty. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter if you're pretty or not, although Abe Lincoln certainly wasn't. But actually, Newsom's tenure really did Spade and I a favor because in California, you can shoplift and nobody cares anymore. So when we were, yeah, I did not agree with that policy. Is that a weird thing to say?

It's like, do you think their nominee would be more toward the middle or more toward the left? Toward the middle on the Democratic side because people are tired of the lunacy. They were, every single day, give us a rest. And I, when I speak to President Trump, which is, you know, maybe. me once every two weeks or stuff, but I go, can't you take a couple days off? Yeah, just relax a second one. Yeah, yeah. It's just me.

How do we process that energy? He's 79 and you can't keep track. He's in Malay. He's flying all. I mean, what is that about? Hardest working president in history. Okay. And the laziest president was Warren Harding.

Of course. I say that every day. That's true. That's true. 1920s. That guy. What about if you do another tour with them, will you call it? We'll do it live.

If you don't call it that. I know you're trying to make fun of me, but that's okay. No, I like that. It's the coolest thing you've ever done. You guys can open. I love to. I love to. How's the green room?

I love it. Here's a question live. You like Diet Coke? He drinks a dozen Diet Coke. a day. I know. Flayo Fish, McDonald's, golf's a little bit, ever-ready bunny, sleep's four, five hours a night? I mean, I'm just trying to take it out. I have to keep my phone on. This is true

because he comes in between one and three. Wake up. O'Reilly, you know, that kind of thing. Bill, we're loving what you're doing, your tremendous bill. They're after me. We got a lot of policies. We're going to do a bill. But anyway, a lot of people, You're an historian and you have 17 books killing everybody, Lincoln, whatever, 20 million. I mean, you're an author as much as you are anything. As far as the sales are extraordinary. I'm just saying, not trying to kiss your ass, but, you know, it is amazing what you've done.

And people now think no kings, like, okay, so break it down for us. If Trump was to become a dictator in the next three years, what are the steps he's got to make pretty soon? to achieve that. Well, first of all, the view ladies would be incarcerated. That would be- wouldn't let them run around anymore. You know, I put a chapter in confronting evil about Henry VIII

to show everybody what a real tyrant king is. I know. You didn't want to date Henry the Eight, okay? No. And if you're trans, you didn't want to be in a country. You didn't want to be in the country. You did not want to be around Henry. And thank you for bringing up the books.

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your summer story in Europe with WestJet from rolling countryside to cobblestone streets begin your next chapter book your seat at westjet.com or call your travel agent westjet where your story takes off but you know i'm reading your book um and it's just the filth and the disease and just the darkness of all of it is just always a reminder that we are here in america obviously there's people suffering but But, you know, modern medicine and you can go to the grocery store, most people, I mean, it is a good check because I've seen people in the street with a latte and their iPhone. I hear them talking to their friend. Oh, my God, this is the worst time to ever be alive. I'm thinking they should read confronting evil, you know. And then they jump into the Prius and Valley Park.

Waymo. Right. Americans lack perspective. And so confronting evil is all about, look, we are not a perfect country. President Trump is certainly not a perfect man. But, and that's a big, but most Americans are decent people. About 15% of us are evil. That's what I put on that percentage.

15% of the whole human race is evil. They'll hurt you if they can. like it. Putin. That's why Putin's undercover the book. He likes certain people. We don't have a lot of that in our leadership. Trump sees the world very black and white. You're either with him or you're against him. You're against him. You're going to try to mock you or whatever. If you're with him, he's your best pal. That's what he is, not changing. But from a historical viewpoint, he's done a lot of good things. And he's done some bad things too,

but he is very interested in his legacy. So he's not going to try to take over in the next three years. He's not going to try to run for a third term. This is all ridiculous. But you know what he'll do? And you guys will find this interesting. Every day Donald Trump wakes up for him is two hours sleep. Okay.

And his first thought is, how can I torture my enemies? So he says stuff just to get the view ladies upset. It works. Just to get whoopi Goldberg. Right. Yeah.

They take it literally. They take everything he says little. And then he loves it. Look at this reaction. Look at MSNBC. They're sending themselves on fire. Yes. And now I'm going to say this.

He doesn't do anything. of it. So you got to understand where he's coming from. I did that when I was seven years old, but he continues to do it. Like the whole Canada thing he came out with, I think it would be the great. He was just kidding. Drove people crazy. He didn't like Trudeau. Yeah. Trudeau is a little nebish to him. And now she's, but you got to give Trudeau. He's running around Katie Perry. that's not bad. Okay. You didn't like Trudeau at all. Not bad. So he goes, how can I annoy Trudeau? I've taken it over. Of course. Boom. Now, does everyone want that from their president? Not everyone. But, you know, we just had Biden who was very quiet. So we've got too quiet and then we got too loud.

He was napping. And it was it was a do not disturb sign over his entire administration. I mean, it's what it was. I knew that from the jump because Biden was never, never a hard worker, even when he was a senator. It was never a guy who's that interested in public policy. He just wasn't. Boy, you should talk to Barack Obama about Joe Biden. Well, yeah, I've read some of that. If you understand Trump, you won't hate him as much. That's my message to Beverly Hills. That's good. I like that.

Yeah. You've got to think about not what he says. says, but what he does. And overseas, get those Hamas guys out, those hostages, that was one tough deal. And if he can bring in China, that, because I was in China at the government's request over there. They were like you. They asked me to be on their podcast, put in person in Beijing, and I went over on my own dime. You talked about trouble. I was insane. Yeah. I passed on that one. No, my son, I dragged him because he's a political science major.

He goes, is sure we want to, you know? No, no, this is once in a lifetime experience. You're going to be sitting across the most powerful guys in the second most powerful nation in the country. And three hours, we did. But if Trump can bring that in and calm things down over there and get a decent trade deal with them, huge. Do you think there's any chance we could create a stronger alliance with them? Yeah, because they're business people. They're not like Putin's a psychopath.

He wants to kill women and children. It's impossible to deal with. So what do we do with Ukraine? You have to make a deal with China. Okay, because they're... And I'm involved with this very deeply with President Trump. It's triangulation, they call it. If we can make a deal with China and China withdraws its support from Putin,

Putin's finished. And that is starting because Trump, Trump's going to sell all the ANWR oil to Beijing. That means that Beijing doesn't have to buy it from Putin. And there's enough up there. It's in animal. God, the polar bears are covered with it. I mean, they're not in wait anymore.

Here's two. You got any other questions? Here's two. Just quick takes. One is that these things unachievable, impossible. What would Trump do? The debt. The 38.

37, 38 trillion. And affordability is all the, and that's going to take time to bring down housing costs. What is your thoughts on those? Well, he knows. He knows after last week that the midterms are in jeopardy, yeah.

He knows. And his legacy depends on keeping the House and Senate in November 26th. So the first salvo was, I'll give everybody two grand, okay? But if you look at it, if you go to Bill O'Reilly.com, which is where I live, we earn that money because Trump wouldn't get any of these tariffs, if not for U.S. consumers buying the stuff from China. So what Trump's doing is basically charging an admission fee for all foreign nations to sell their stuff inside the United States because we buy more than anybody else by far.

So it's us that are making people want to send stuff here, and Trump is exploiting that. And that's the kind of commentary I do every day on bill o'Reilly.com. But it's going to be very difficult to force people to lower their prices. When I was in L.A., the hotel I stayed at was charging $36 for a cheeseburger. $36 for a cheeseburger. So I went out to In and Out, and I got $14. for $36. Sure.

You know? And I bought them in and gave me all the bellhops. I said, they don't buy that stuff. But to go in at all, it don't say you can't charge that. So it's a very, very difficult thing. I don't know whether the Republicans are going to be successful. However, the Democrats don't have much, and that is the Republicans' big advantage. Well, the tariffs pay off.

policies or whatever when you say the democrats don't have much she's in their policies a leadership all of it across the board you said a 38 trillion dollar debt well what do the democrats want to do they want to spend more and more and more and more and more and more and you can't now if you try to lower it how do you get reelected i mean it's a very difficult thing for both parties promise every Mandani just got elected comment, and he's a communist, not socialist. And free bus rides for everybody. And a governor, yes, he goes, well, we don't have enough money to do that. It's $800 million a year to give free bus rides to everybody.

And New York State is already, like California, and deep in debt, where are they going to get the money? And all the rich people are moving out. They're all going to Florida, Tennessee, or wherever, and we're going to get it. So that's what I say. the Democrats can't continue on this. And then they got woke stuff and then they got this stuff. And, you know,

if the Democrats had a guy like JFK, not RFK Jr., no. All right, but RFK Senior, they win. They had a charismatic leader like Trump, they win. So they're looking for that guy.

Yeah. You're looking. You know, Colbert turned it down, but Anyway, this has been a pleasure. Thank you, Bill. You're never boring, like I said. And Bill O'Reilly.com and the NoSpin News Podcasts.

You're everywhere. Yeah, we're all. And I really appreciate you guys reading Confronting Evil. And I hope people will check that book out. You'll learn a lot. And it's fun to read. You know, I hate to use the word fun and evil in the same thing. It's fascinating.

These names are iconic, Angus Khan, whatever. And then you're into the detail of how they got so evil, how they got their power, and what happens to them, and the people who risked their lives to take them out. So it's just stories that are fascinating that happen to be kind of dark history. I'm glad you guys liked it. I just want to say, I've always admired your talent, both of you. That whole crew with Miller and Norm and you've got. guys. I mean, it was just, that was just a highlight of American television. And it was. And I'm pleased

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