Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Brendan Fraser

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

Impostor syndrome, being choked out on set, and The Whale with Brendan Fraser. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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He is, I met him first during Dickey Roberts, the movie, and we asked him to come in and do a day or two and play himself, and he did. That was nice. And he was super cool and he's a huge star. He's always been a rep of being a cool dude. He's, that was the height of his fame. He came over and did his favor.

We got to chat with him and there is so much going on with Brennan. Plus, just give some of the movies I mean you really and I When he was 23 I believe he started in seno man that was probably frozen caveman broke through and so then he was just The 90s he was doing George the jungle mummy trilogies. He's had this incredible career and then for different things We'll talk about he sort of went away for a little while and then he came back. I saw him On the showtime show the affair and he was great in that and I had seen him a while ago Damn, he's a great actor and then recently as everybody knows He's done a movie called The Whale and which he plays a 600 pound man

So the sort of all things bred in these days, and people are just really happy to see him back. Such a lifeable guy. Yeah, it's nice to see everyone pulling for someone. Yeah, and he doesn't really need pulling for, I don't think that's what he's asking for, but it's just nice.

She's the one that's a good dude. Every career's up and down, and just still be killing it. And to know he's, always probably knows he's good. It's just, it's the opportunities. That's for everybody. He's always getting opportunities. Oh yeah, totally.

So he's back and, you know, it was that, I think it was Lauren or Bernie that always said, the talent doesn't go away. So your career can go like this, but the talent doesn't go away. We're gonna ask him about standing ovation. They go to Cannes Film Festival. You got a 12 minute standing ovation.

I go, do people feel dumb after a while? Do you ever use the bathroom in the middle of standing ovation? I mean, I would be texting one hand. I mean, how long can you go like this when you go like a bunch of seals? But we'll get into that because there's a six minute one he had at Palm Springs and he had an eight minute one. So first they stand it's like 20 seconds and then it's like that festival here's about it.

And two years later, it's like longer than the movie. Yeah. We're really. We're really. We'll do a deep dive into that. We won't tell you about the whale, we'll talk to him about it, so you can wait for that.

And what a movie. And here he is, Brendan Fraser. No one hates us when we do a ton. So this is obviously new show business that we don't really even talk. We never had a plan. We just put the mic on and start talking to people connected to SNL in some way. And so it's... It's weird, this is the biggest clip on his whole resume. Oh, yeah.

So sometimes it's the main thing. Look at our notes. Do you have any questions, first of all? You won't show me, you said it. No, I won't, because mine are better than Dana's, but I'll, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they will do the work for you digitally. Like, you know, zip recruiter would be one of them. You know, like, we'll help you hire people. Zodoc, we'll help you find a doctor. We have to do that.

We keep this. Zodoc, Zodoc, Zodoc, Zodoc. Sorry, but they're gonna love this part of the podcast. This is free Aberdei. Draft game. What's our favorite, we don't have a favorite masterclass. No, it's good that they do it because what you should teach a master class Brilliant acting duh

We both saw the whale. I'm still recovering. We both saw I didn't see it all I got to the part where you got out of the ocean and then I I Didn't see it it clicked out. Oh shit. No, I'm kidding. I saw it. I saw it and it kept cutting off because they give you 18 minutes to watch it. It gives you a little bit. Oh, you know, my was perfect. My was perfect. The screeners work. Yeah.

There's someone on the other hand. I pressed the button. I had on a beautiful laptop, stereo speakers, and I went downtown and it was amazing. Well, I don't... We're going to talk about the whale. I'm going to say... We're going to save it for the, for people listening right now, wanting to hear about Brennan's thoughts about the whale,

it's coming up soon. Okay, we can say that. Cause I wanna talk about a lot. That's a teaser I'm learning. I'm still shaken by it. Okay, we'll do a little SNL. Let's just ask them a couple quick questions. Because we have to fake like that sort of,

this whole thing is about. Well, no, no, I want to talk about SNL as a part of his whole thing, because I was fascinated as I did a deep dive, is how you, I hadn't seen anybody do the broad comedies and then can do the offbeat leading man funny guy, like the mummy stuff, and back and forth, you're doing George the jungle and then you're doing gods and monsters. It's like there's a pattern

here. I had to have a theme and I have a theme for every podcast. Yours is like the seeds of you being this renowned brilliant actor. It's almost like you're just starting now, I would say, because you set the seed for it by constantly dipping your toes into it between these franchises that is so iconic. Anyway, that's all I have to say. I'll be quiet. Good night, thanks folks. I think there's no pattern.

How about that? Interesting. Because, like, let's say someone like me who gets into comedy, you're lucky enough to just get comedies. And so if you were, let's say, and Cino Man was maybe one of the first things that's sort of blew up for you. That was.

Which is a comedy, you think, that's all you would get offered or, and people tell me, oh, you should do more movies like Uncut Gems. I'm like, well, everyone should. I mean, that's just not how it works. Yeah, do the Academy Award-winning level movies. Those are the good ones.

Again? Yeah. But then you went to level movies? Those are the good ones. Again? Yeah. But then you went to school ties from Encino, man. Yes. With Matt Damon. Correct, correction. It was the other way around. School ties was shot first.

And then you went to Encino, man. Who are you? The release dates were flip-flopped. Wait, so you did it any more longer? There's brilliant drama. And then you went with this broad comedy, or whatever you want to call it, a full-blown comedy. That's straight ahead. Teen comedy, genre, that I don't know if it's really being done

that way. Anymore of y'all kids go to high school, have a big discovery, throw party. That's not- My sons who are basically 30, I'll just round them off, that you're so much a big part of their childhood, and they miss just big funny comedies that just exists to be funny. Maybe people are scared to step in it because you got to die

just so many types of jokes, you know. That's really your domain and expertise. Yeah and that's the hard part. They start pulling stuff and cutting stuff and you just lose something. Maybe maybe those days are over forever but it's just like anything, you just like Madonna, you gotta figure out a different way to make a comedy that's still big and funny. I think they can make it back. I think there's an app type. Yeah, I think there's a huge app.

Because it just releases all the cultural stuff that's going on and you just laugh, you know? So I had a question. Where you did school text. We're not gonna let you talk. No, I'm not gonna. No, I'm not not. He warned me. I'd have to fight for my time.

I warned him at a time. He's going to, but we're slowing down because we're shot out of mechanics. We just saw the movie. So I was going to, yeah, I was, I was, I was now, I was deeply napping a full, full on dream. And he said, he's here. No, I'm kidding. No, but I, I lived close by.

No, I said, get over here, prick. I said, who? He said Brent. So the school ties is sort of a heavy drama, right? So you get that. Now, is it because of some sort of feedback or buzznet that when you go for an seno man that helps that because you've got one in the can that people like?

Sometimes that's how it works. Chronologically, I went into Mayfair and Cino-Man before I got hired to do school ties. And I was reticent to do in Cino-Man because it was too kooky and I wanted to step out as very serious actor straight out of college with my BFA, my back pocket, and a lot of aspiration. And I understood that the character is basically the new guy in town, which was something that they hadn't seen anyone bring in to the readings or the auditions before that they really wanted, because he's, you know, he's a fish out of water, he's trying to fit in all that. But it was so broad and I didn't really know anything

about film or comedy and then school ties came down. The pike and I read for that did nothing with it because it didn't go anywhere. They were casting a drift net to find their David as I learned. And then some number of months later, they came back to a new casting director who had me go in and re-freshary, and they did a screen test. And I felt when they said, do you want to test, I was thinking exams and something that's

how green I was. Got the job. And that was great. I read with Matt Damon and met a lot of the other guys who were already hired. It was off to Boston and Massachusetts to shoot school ties. And what's getting messages from Incino Man with George Lume and Les Mayfield were quite driven to get me to come on board. And then, partway through almost finishing, school ties, I was having a conversation with a really great guy who was called Keith Wester, he's not with us anymore, he was a soundboard mixer.

And he had a great voice, and he was always mixing sound, but he was reading, he was on his own radio show in a way as he was really a charming guy. And he was mentoring a lot of us and I was talking about, you know, what are you doing? And I was conflicted and very serious. And it's a comedy thing they want me to do and they've offered it to me and he said, well, hang on, you know, there's this. It's a drama and you've got a comedy It's not a bad thing to have you know as he said He joked about it bird in the hand is worth two in the nest. Is that the? I don't push my head and I just realized my voice is so loud And I'm screaming I'll sit up. He's very quiet. Well, can I say something?

I saw an electromagnetic visual thing around your mic. Maybe it's your charisma. Oh, sorry. There's a flash feature on my phone, which was, yeah. It's Wush. Well, great. What's up?

Greg Holstmann. Quite a no. I'll turn that off. I don't want to be that guy. Why didn't anyone to get electrocuted during our podcast? It's my own lighting feature. When I say something interesting. He's got a light that lights it up. I just know that.

Curisma is like there's a light. But by the way, you had to, when you read the script for school ties, it was the first time you had to not have clothes on and act. I saw you had to have a fist fight with Matt Damon in a shower. When you read that in a script, are you like, okay, or you can't wait for that day. Well, you don't look forward to it,

but I understood what the scene was about, was exposing one another's prejudice and all this naked, incredibly humane. And so it kind of drives the point home. You know, on 17 year old boys fight. So, to get the lock in, let's figure this out. That's interesting. I don't want to interject, but I'd like to interrupt David.

These people throughout your life, anybody, could be a parent, brother, friend, who will say these casual things that kind of tilt you in one direction and other, we could all have stories about that. So this one guy said this thing to you, which made him, I'm going to go do in Cino Man. could all have stories about that. So this one guy said this thing to you, which made it, I'm gonna go do, and see, no man. They're a till to do that. It helped me make up my decision, because this point was,

if you're new to the industry, your calling card will be, I can do something dramatic, I also. I can do it all. Comedy, tragedy, you know what you're talking about. Which you don't get that off, you don't get that chance a lot. So you have a chance before the one comes out, you're like, I can do the other one, and then now you can get hired for two different kinds of movies. That was the hope then. So yeah.

And by the way, in Sino Man is a good movie, you can do wrong. Like that. No, it was that reading it. He was great. I remember seeing it back then. I think Paulie was in it with you. Correct. Paulie was funny and crazy. And uh, but you were charming. He's good looking. But you're making a lot out of this that could have gone the wrong way you know i mean it could have been so dumb but it was a huge hit and that was great and it was fun i remember watching it back in the day and

that kind of launched you uh... i i i i remember my first audition was for a movie called um... i wrote it down it was one of the people that go to the post site was that around the same prior to that? I remember, yeah, 89, 89 out of college, huh? Yeah. What do you say about it? I just remember that film was coming out and it was being promoted and I was seeing a young Ethan Hawke and the cast on Oprah. I think it was to do press for it. So it was prior to and you did movie anything at my. Yeah, I did a couple auditions and didn't quite make the cut. But so from George, I'm not George's jungle. You have so

many in here goddamn. Yeah, there's so many. But what I just wanted to do is that you said that you're dramatic training. So you're doing some of these movies and you're just total committed like as a dramatic actor essentially when you're doing even in sceneleman. Yeah and you're just total committed, like as a dramatic actor, essentially, when you're doing even in scene-o-man. You're not thinking comedy, you're just playing the truth of the scene. I don't know how to think comedy. I think I know at least funny person I know. And so.

I saw some pretty funny shit on it. It's my approach. It's a risk, calling comedy anyway, but it might understand here. Approaches that if you think you're funny, you're not. And if you try to be funny for sure, you're not. So play it as a straight ahead reality. Right? Yeah. And you know, on SNL, when the host is coming in and

sit down in that first Monday meeting and say, good news, guys, I'm funny. I know how to do it. I know I was shot. All the rules of comedy at that. Three things. You all need to go, boy. I just made it, Joey. It wasn't Chris for walking.

He said the bears. No, I have to be funny. He's great. But one gear that you did have also in these 90 comedies is that, and I find it really interesting that you could make your face like super leading man, handsome. And then you could go to a grin that would just go a certain way that made you kind of funny,

or you know, you could take the handsome as well and be the good leading man. It was really interesting to watch that, some of your stuff, you know. It was intentional or just you were just thinking it. Well, I'm sure it weren't making a face, but you could actually had a chameleon aspect. Is that chameleon?

Well, I think you shouldn't take yourself too seriously. Maybe it comes from that. Yeah. And just, I think if you're having fun internally, I do think with comedy it helps. It doesn't mean you're mugging, pushing, trying to be funny, but you're in a sense of fun, you know, likable is half of the battle, too.

Anthony Hopkins, a Tony to me, told me once that he thought acting at the top level is a form of self hypnosis. He would, as you probably have heard, he only reads the script 200 times. And he has a Polaroid nose days. I know you're a huge Polaroid camera person. He had a Polaroid picture of his character,

and they'd yell speed, he'd put it up, look at it, put it on his face and go, what? And then put it in his pocket, and then he was the guy. Are you sure? You're not making that up for him. No, it was Tony Hoppy. What are you reading?

He would hop up a Polaroid picture of himself and then play the character. Yeah, he would. Wow. Look at it. It works man. Yeah, exactly, whatever. And he breathed it, and he said, oh, I think it's sort of I always do Rob Moines when I do anything

hop because they're both incredibly shy. They're his charisma is like this, you know, but this, you know, we'll go to the whale in a minute, but it's hard to act. Just a point I wanted to make about something I was like, learn I got this from Lauren was before I did the first monologue when I hosted this and now that moment before the, it wasn't broadcast, it would have been the rehearsals for dress. Thank you. He came out and he has a little chat with the hosts.

I was told, Lauren's going to have a word with you. All he said to me was, it's all about confidence and he turned on his heel and we went to, whatever, shoot it. Went to air. So I told me, I mean, I didn't know if he was telling me to be confident or don't try and be funny, but essentially it's just about taking ownership of what you're doing and committing to it. I think that let me know a lot about pretty much everything else about, you know, again,

knowing you're there for a good reason, you're good at what you do, you like what you do. And if people don't laugh at what you're doing, then just move on to whatever is next. I felt when I watched the 97 monologue, you were very confident. Thanks. Then when I watched 99, there was a whole other level of relaxation because you'd already done it once before. es el nivel de la sensación, porque ya lo he dicho antes, no es nada que te pide. Cuando llegué a Tom Davis en el mundo, Tom Davis era un hombre que está viviendo en el set. ¡Es muy muy bonita! ¿Por qué los bostezos son contagiosos? Pero, MailChimp... No. MailChimp analiza los datos de millones de correos electrónicos para ofrecer recomendaciones personalizadas

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What about, when did the airheads come along? 95? 95. So I was hearing you talk about that on some, you know, uh... With Sandler. With Sandler. I didn't even put that together.

I was like, oh, what's it? Oh, ball, fool. I was jealous. Whenever he's mentioned, I try to do that. Just gonna remember. Yeah. With Sandler. I didn't even put that together. It's like, oh, what's it? Bob Ball, who was jealous? Well, he's mentioned I try to do that. Just under my eyes. Yeah. Oh, he's listening. Trust me. So by the way, listen to this thing.

So it's, Adam was asking you, or you guys are kind of both sitting about your heads and then Adam goes, oh, and Farley was on it. He was on for two weeks. He did a lot of night shoots. And it was probably the most fun I've had on any set. I'm sorry.

Were you in grownups? Adam? Trader. No, it was very traitorous. You agree. I'm glad you agree. And Grumps too, also, he could have picked you the one. But I remember Errantz and I was jealous.

I think Bob Simons did that movie. I think it came along. And he was shooting down. He was in New York, some of it? There was some insight stuff, and I would come maybe came to watch. I don't think I knew you, but I knew Adam and Farley and Bouchemmi I just met.

So that one kind of was a fun one too. It didn't do great, but another fun comedy one, right? It's come around, I do a lot of fan conventions now. And people show up dressed like Chas Darby and the characters, the posters design they scream It's too loud you too Double double barrel flip off you just get him right back. Oh, let me bro You know what I think it's it's really fun when you get a movie that lives on because sometimes movies do well

And you never hear from again and then some sort of live on and it's good to have the ones I think you're serious because it's not gonna miss out Yeah, now for a whole new generation. I didn't want to call PCU and then people go oh PCU is great I didn't love it, but I go oh yeah, okay, listen if there's people that Get into it and forever and it's kind of timely again now because politically correct and all that stuff right Some of my movies were buried in Nevada in a mine. If you could have saved Clean Slate, you could have played that thing. They would test nuclear bombs and just do it because they wanted to blow that movie up. People still like, Wayne's world,

come on, you guys. Yeah, Wayne's world. I'm a kid. Let's talk about Superman. I just heard that. That can be a quick story. but Superman, what was the era of Superman? Was that an audition or was that a meeting or how does that work? That would have been in the year 2002. It was on the Warner Brothers lot. They were looking for a new Superman and I think they're like five or six guys around town who are being juggled, their names juggled around. Sure.

There was a test deal and a good, same thrill. Oh, test deal. Yeah, I went in on a fox, or thebled around. There was a test deal and a safe drill. Oh, test deal. Yeah, I went in on a box, or the Warner Brothers Lot, put on the outfit. No, first I went into an office somewhere in Wilshire, corridor, and they locked me in a room with a script that was printed on crimson paper with black ink. Could hardly read it, but you know,

you can't also can't photocopy it. Oh, okay. And then I could read it and give it back to them. And then for a Superman movie. Yeah, I could know the story. Okay. So was it since Christopher Reeve? This is like the first Superman back. I don't know. Be way later on that. I think Reeve's might have done the third one in the 80s. So Brandon Ruth played the part. That's what we got. I'll tell you about your part. Correct. Oh, it's his. But I mean, I was an aspirant for sure. And yeah, there was a screen test. How did you talk a Superman? I mean, did you kind of lower it? You have a pretty deep voice, but did you? I didn't want to put quotation

marks around anything. Yeah, I didn't pretend to be Superman. I tried to, you and think of it. The script that was written was like, it was like heightened text. It was like, they seem like that. You know, head a gabeler. Or you know, like big stuff that you would have done, I am like pentameter Shakespeare in all classic texts. And so I gave that kind of approach of just taking everything seriously

and playing big objectives. And you know, I'm just trying to approach the pieces that was a giant opera in space. You know what I mean? Do you have any lines like Lex Luthor, you're an idiot. Oh, close, close. Ty's or was his name. I was bellowing Ty's or. I'll kill you, Ty's or.

I've had done it in Super Encino, man. Do you know what I love about Tisor? Change your name, bitch. Was that, was Zod in one of those? Or am I crazy? Zod, I love it. There was a woman, a man with black hair, and they came down there,

and they were like, the three that got in the paint of glass. I think it's like that one. I love that one. That one was brilliant. Yes. The first Christopher Reeves Last prism around to be 79 and the planet. It was a brand. Oh

Brando was in that you was amazing Good my only Brando is Trump he's a little bit. He's read just get out of here Brando is a little bit. He's just get out of here. He's a little bit of brando. There we are. There's no one funer than Brandon Frazier. Anyway, I just have to tell him I'm just a little punchy right now. You're giving your more punch. You than me. No, no, he's beat up. You're getting from the whale. But we're not talking about that. Just yet. I want to tell

about his big break in Dickey Roberts. Now, yes. Dickey Roberts, where everyone was saying, a Brendan Frazier. It's like razor, right? Razer Frazier rather than. Do you say with a razor or do you say with the razor razor or do you say the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the I want you to direct me. Talk later. No, Dan, don't put trying to get off Dickey Roberts. Dickey Roberts is a tsunami. A wix and opposite. So what happened is I was wondering, because I didn't know Brendan,

and he was nice enough to come in and do something in it. But I think it was through Sam, the director, Sam Weisman. Okay. So the backstory on that was just to bore this fucking shit out of you, is Dickey Roberts was pitch. We pitch at

me and Fred wrote it and we said, oh, it's a child star, which is sort of to this day a theme of child stars kind of hit the skit. You know what I mean? They have a lot of trouble and it's very real and it's sad and it's no one's quite figured out how to fix it. But that movie was PG 13. Two funny things. One, when we finished writing it, but that movie was PG-13 Too funny things one when we finished writing it a pretty big director kind of came over was said I'd love to do it I'll keep the first act, but we have to go very dark after that and Make it all right and make it with the way that really is and I said no, it can't be super dark And I mean in Paramount's not gonna do that so

We handed it in by the, when I handed it in, this is a classic show of his story. So they read it at Paramount, and then I get word to back channels. They like it a lot, and they wanna give it to Jim Carrey now. Ouch! You understand that this could happen at any time. This is a classic behind the scenes.

And so, people are trying to keep that away from me going, the good news is they love it, but they think Jim could take it like crazy because he was the biggest guy right then. I'll give him $20 million. And they talked to Adam, Sam, as Sam was the producer of it. And so he said, I don't know, as a spade, but I think spade because he co-wrote it, would rather be in it. But then John Goldland, I think it was John Goldland, who's under Sherry, you mentioned Sherry Lansing. I think you mentioned her about school ties.

So he called me and said, you might have heard some rumors. It was so weird. And he said, I apologize, we're moving forward the way it is. And I said, you know, John, I get how business works. Take me out of it. If you could have Jim Carrey, I get it. It's really not personal. I'm trying not to take it that way. And he said, no, we're moving forward. And let's do it. And so that was such a wake up call. Like those things,

those conversations happen every day. And you just don't know it. I shouldn't have known it. But I found out he said, you still want to do it. I said, yeah, so we did it. Brendan was very nice came in and what did you do? We love it. It was in Tiki Roberts. I was playing myself. Yeah, he's playing it. Oh, you just celebrity can. He was. He was. I was proving that I think I know because I grew up and I was wearing gloves and I was crazy, but you know, that child star thing could go and it was crazy, but you know, that child star thing could go, there's really dark, because they're kids, and they get involved in all these crazy adults, and then there's the drinking,

so we sorted it as Kim job of making it, but it was fun, we brought in a lot of child stars to do it, and then at the very end, you know, someone weren't with us anymore, but it was very interesting to talk them up front, just and hear some of their Real stories But we can talk about Brendan's movies again Would you you have any more things you want to share about Saturday night live before yeah?

I loved it. It was a proving ground and I earned a stripe at the same time by the way I felt like I had It's a milestone absolute milestone. You feel like I think if I was just out there doing a show or doing movie, and when it's one of those things, like the cover rolling stone or something, where they go, you, they want you to host it, it has to hit you, like, It does.

It's just a big deal. It's not in substantial at all. And when you host that show, you own New York for an hour or so, in a feeling that you get. Yeah, oh, it is. It's the coolest thing that I've said. You're a part of the city in a meaningful way that I wasn't anticipating the whole machine. Everyone's trying to help you.

Everyone's there to make sure you're okay that we can that. I think it's about changing clothes. It's mostly about changing cars fast quickly. Right? Under the wheel. Yeah. Leachers not trying to bump your head into the overhead. Basically, you would be in danger of that.

You're high. Oh, please. Clock in danger of that. You're height, kneeling used to bang. Clocking stuff up. Okay, there you go. Yeah, they even put bumpers on it. Like, yeah, they have bumpers at us, ball. Because you're sprinting sometimes in the dark. In the studio, in the dark. Naked.

Essentially naked. What's underneath the seats of everyone watching. So there's all these asses about you. You're like, cool guys to walk. I mean, they've got me stripped naked. This guy walks by this cigarette going spade. I thought you're going to start working out. I go like, get out of here. I would just close my eyes. I'm so humiliated. I just a little underwear on it. I was completely bare-chested. Everything. They're combing my hair. They're picking at me. And

I just close my eyes. And this is camping. I'm going to wear two speedos in case my main one breaks. All right. And we are the night's clamp. Do you know that hooter clamp? It's a thing that keeps everything in place. It's called a hooter clamp. So that one's spelled, you know. Well, no, that's a joke. My brother's and I had that as a running gag where kids have three older brothers.

Like, you know, some of our sponsors. We joke about the hooter clamp. Why do you bother hooter clamp? Scrappy by. Wait, if you got a hooter clamp on, it was just a fuck are you by? Hooter Clamp. Hooter Clamp. Hooter Clamp on. It was just a joke. You know, I don't know. There's also you can put a trucker's buddy in there

where you can peter in the show. That's real. Okay, no. I'm real to brothers. So, oh, wait, and SNL, so 97, I had gone. I know, you probably looked for you for about a half hour. I had gone by then. And then was Will Farrell, I think, was there?

Yes, he was. So what was your cast? It was sort of Will, maybe Molly. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. aggressive sexual, the most committed sketch players ever probably and you were right in there. You know what, the, come on you guys and every time you play along with them, they'd start screaming at you. It was really funny. You know, these people are sexual perverts. I'm the trainer. Okay, I'll go with it. Would you want that? You want that? And then Chris Ketam will go nuts on you. Very funny. Hey man, it's really tough. It's fun to be in that insane world of like sketch and then you the second you're like taking about your head going we got through it. Here's the crowd is live

and they're ripping you going again. You're the UPS guy in this one. You have Russian accent going oh shit. There's another one you're looking like. Or even worse if there's a sketch you fell in love with that one got cut. No. I know that's the between dressing air. It's heartbreaking. No, it's where you won the first delicious dish. That's where the. No, I know that's the between dress and air. It's heartbreaking. You know, it's where you won the first delicious dish. That's where the No, not the first one. I was on it though. But it didn't the applause at the beginning. I felt like it was new when you were on it or maybe it was the second time I wouldn't know it to compare it to it. But I think I think peach red in peach red balls was pretty balls. Yeah, he was coming on with a little

beard and glasses and plan sort of this quiet nerd playing very small about squash Or something like that. Um, that was me. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And what were there? Scary thing is giving notes to be very Good times. Good times. Was that a good times? Yeah, yeah, good Good, great. This a little harder. Hey, this is writers get to be directors on SNL I had a hard time understanding that concept like who's the director? Who's the director? And someone actually pulled me aside Read this a little harder. Hey, it's because writers get to be directors on SNL. I had a hard time understanding that concept. I'm like, who's the director?

Who's the director? And someone actually pulling me inside. Everybody is. The writers are the director. You are the director. Dude, I wrote my first sketch. They go go in the booth and watch it. I go, what does that mean?

I'm the director of it. I don't know what the fuck's going on. The great thing there was, it's, you know, when William Shatner came on, he was so loose, like during the dress show or whatever. He seemed like he goes, well, why, what I can't, you know, because we Shatner came on, he was so loose like during the dress show or whatever. He seemed like, he goes, well, why would I care? You know, because we're so under rehearsed.

Like it's ridiculous. There's cucumber. He wasn't even stressed. Yeah. I can't believe people take it seriously. You can't rehearse with, you know. So it is just, I loved it personally, because I can get up in my head.

I love that it was so fast. Yeah. Okay, let's just go play. Less time to think about it. No time to think. Just go, go, go. But I love that it was so fast. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's just go. Plenty. Let's time to think about it. No time to think. Just go, go, go. But I'm jumping ahead to the mummy.

Now the mummy, the mummy, it's called the mummy. I'm all see your mummy and raise you the whale. No, we're getting to the whale. That's the big, and the whale is a big cona. Yeah. All right. But the mummy, I liked it because it's easy to have. Is it again?

Easy, ehab, you and a funding for the way a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, I interrupted you. It's a giant franchise. Three huge movies that Brendan started and the knots. Correct. Yes.

Now, what was your biggest pain? No, let me see. Oh yeah, tell me. You don't have to tell me a lot of it's biggest. You don't have to tell how about money. You make a lot of money. You make a lot of money. You don't have to tell how much money you got paid. I don't even honestly recall to tell you the truth, because most of it's gone now.

I know the family. You know, I want to be your, you have a flush in the netchartale. I, Bernie comes and takes it all away. I'm sorry. Do you remember making a million dollars? My first million, I remember. Oh, this is a really good conversation. Is that a million dollars my first million? I remember it was what I remember it was a good conversation first million.

But what do you net? That's the thing is it a million in the bank people don't understand. What's the check shock on this one? I remember my first paycheck and it was for $17,000. I pilot I did what the net. I went and picked up my check from the agency. It said $9,000. Pylate I did. What the net. I went and picked up my check from the agency. It said $9,000. I went to their account department.

This is a mistake here. And they pulled me aside and you're like, no, kid, you got to pay taxes. You got to pay a commission. I had no right to pay. You're out. I mean, if you get a million, you probably make, and this sounds crazy to people because a million is so much. But when you walk with $375,000, you go,

you round down to $25 on the dollar. Yeah, because you got agent management. You get used to the business. You get used to the gross figure and your friends here are the gross figures. Yeah, I drove to an agency once with my wife and I think it was a $30,000 check for a pilot and we're like, we're rich.

It's an old bag. We went in, it was like 1,300, you know. I tried to give her a hug. You should go to the other side. Get off me. We went in. It was like 1300, you know, I tried to give her a hug. Different. Off-different. You said you were red. Yeah, just kidding, honey. I got it at some point and I was so excited about it.

And okay, and my question with the mummy were, it was early in CGI kind of. Yeah, well, it was the tip of the spirit. I LM with John Burton running again. Oh, I am, okay. And they had done a lot of stuff with, I'm gonna say, like, Terminator. And I was a big one. The, like, the creature from, I was close. It was a, it was James Cameron's water movie. Oh, I remember that, the abyss. The abyss, yeah. I got it.

That was pretty good, David. That was good, dude. Cause I know a guy who was in it, Todd something. Yeah, anyway. But there was a big gamble, because the, first of all, nobody had any idea what the movie was gonna look like. Is it a comedy in a way, because it's ever just comparing it to having Castello

and it's throwback, the mummy blah, blah, blah. Was it a horror film? Was it a... Was it Indiana Jones? Was it an adventure film? Was it a romance? Was it a... And it was all like a genre. It was a big hit on all counts like a... Like a Marvel movie today. It's Rachel White.

It hits on all those frequencies. The girl in it was great with him. John Hannah. Oh yeah. See? Oh, yeah, he was your guide or something. He was her brother, my brother-in-law, my near-do-well brother-in-law. They call him popcorn movies today, right?

Just fun. That's great. Was it fun to do? Absolutely. A little bit scary. A little bit romantic. But it's real right, funny. Like, I want to do it again.

Yeah. Do you get hurt, ever? Not on that one. Just my feelings. Is it feeling? Why are you feeling? One reason or another. How are you with reading reviews throughout your career? Did you get iron? I see.

Or ding by it or I'm terribly sensitive. If anything says anything slightly negative. Early on it was, um, you want to slap me in my bulbous face. Says some writer in Portland, Oregon, I thought, that's fighting words. I'm not gonna come find you, bro. But it's hard to not take stuff like that personally. Yeah. But I would always feel like,

I would root around and look for the good ones, but I didn't know if they held any currency. I skipped through. Yeah. I get hurt by Instagram comments. I'm very fat. You are social media. Are you crazy?

Yeah. A thing. A handful indeed is vindictive speech as a theme of the whale. Yeah. Say that again. A handful indeed is vindictive speech. I saw that on a plaque outside of a temple in Thailand years ago, front of a giant golden reclute.

Well, earlier in your career, if you get something negative, it can affect your career and you know it. And then later, when you've gone to some stuff, it's a little, if you feel a little more resilient, you know you can withstand the storm. But if, if early on, you do something and people are negative or rotten tomatoes,

or all that shit, it's just, it's such a wispy career where it could just win blow away from you. And you're like, wait, I'm a big deal now. I think it's worse when you've had some success. And then you get dinged and they use that success. Oh, you have to pose how you're not successful anymore. Cause I've had my trails with that.

But then I, you kind of go back to, you know, Tom Hanks said there's no crying. There's no being bitter in show business. Cause the entire thing is designed to, you know, Tom Hanks said there's no crime in baseball. There's no being bitter in show business because the entire thing is designed to make you better. I mean, that's so, Mickey Rooney was the most bitter man in the world. I was the number one star in the world. You hear me bang the world, you know.

So I knew early on, okay, everything is about show business, it's designed to make you feel better. So I'm going to choose either to pretend or just remember that we're privileged that we can pay to dollar to do this. To do this. That's the rub. It's like they're paying me to do this.

That's how I felt early on because I would be doing this anyway, even if you did it because I didn't know else. What else to do? Tell me Randall told me that. Did he? We paid to do this. And he was like 85 of this.

I never lost the wonder and all of that That's why I like people do regular jobs because I go we need them. I can't do it. I can't do jack shit Agreed and I appreciate it. I was a bus boy got fired three times But in in the mummy you're first of the mummy looked fun like you said it was fun, but doing stunts You must have to do some in the mummy. And then you said you got her. I choked out pretty good on day two or three. There was a hanging sequence and hanging from the neck. No, I'm out.

Well, didn't they have you in a harness and you know, they didn't because they're trying to get the shot before lunch. That's what happens. What have I seen in you blacked out? Well, they fire the stunt coordinator? No, he was too important, plus I could still be placed. It was early on in the schedule. Wow.

Wow. We were running around going, we still have jobs, we do, but we could be replaced. Hannah was like that all the time. Oh no, I can't believe it. Don't tell them they'll send me back to the last school. I don't know what I'm doing. Oh, I still got a job.

They can't fire me now. Fuck it. Let's do this. Sorry, just channel. You can't, it's hard to complain on the set. You don't want to be a complainer. I got choked out because the rope was on my neck. Steven said, hey, it's a medium shot.

It doesn't look like you're hanging because they already shot the wide of the stunt man in the harness. And he went bang, hit look gray. And we need a moment. And then they go in on a coverage of Rick choking choking, did one shot, came in and you said, hey, look, it doesn't really look like you're dying. Can you really like dial it up? All right, I didn't like what was happening anyway. So we went for another take and I remember watching camera was on tripod, came around,

there's the guy screaming off camera. I remember looking at the matte box and I thought, okay, I'm really gonna sell the hell out of this and I made up what would really make me look like I'm choking like I'd been asked. So I huffed air really hard and started hyperventilating and held my breath. So I thought I don't get really big red veins popping out

of my eyeballs and all that. That's the stupidest thing you could do if you're right. Caramel early recently, is being choked up. And the guy holding the rope above me on the scaffolding was the stunt man. And he brought up the tension and I was on my own feet. On my toes.

On my toes. And I had nowhere to go, unless I was a ballerina. And I don't, I'll remember seeing is the map box come around. And then it was like, you went black. And iris closed closed like someone turned the dialed down like and the next thing I knew

There was a British voice going Brendan Brendan And there was dirt in my ear and in my teeth and it felt like my elbow was behind my head and the world was sideways I didn't understand it. And my shin really hurt and everyone was quiet as a drop of pin. Forget it. They were screaming their hands off.

Moments earlier. What just happened and it kind of dawned on me that these guys are medics. They're trying to wake me up. Everyone's looking at me. I was, while it didn't hurt per se, it frightened me more than anything else. And I didn't like having that feeling of, you know, being the fallen team player when it happens in hockey or football or something, everyone gets quiet. And I kind of had this emotional reaction, like, did something wrong or I didn't know.

Well, that's dead silence. And Simoneth didn't, I, how did he, runs over. It's Simon Atherton. I outed you. Runs over to me and he goes, all right man, cool. You're in the club, same thing happened, I'm outgibs and on Braveheart. Ha ha ha.

I'm like, I want to go home. Initial here, press hard for copies, we won't sue. Oh my, oh I passed that. He was a great, he was a great slide guy. guy. You and I need a lot of really good stuff I've never heard I've never heard of someone having an experience that would well apparently milk ups and did on break art Like I won away. Yeah, let's do it again That's my bad milk gifts. I always will give so I can also Australian accent are difficult. That was Keith Urban. Okay, now I just want to touch on we're making our way toward the way I was. Yeah, we are. Which is great. I just want to

my wife and I were watching the the affair on showtime. Oh, yeah, which I think is really, really great show. And then you come on for season three. Yes. And it's a precursor to your skill at the whale or whatever you've done through it, I could correct, because you must have got a lot of heat for that character, Gunther, this damaged, a sadistic prison guard.

And all of a sudden, there's Brendan doing his thing. So I really stood out for me and I really wrecked it. That's Brendan Fraser. I mean, he's killing it. So did you get that feeling from that part? The conceit for that was that he was a doppelganger. He was the, you know, the book ending character and it's straight lifted straight out of, you know, creepy German fairy tale lore. The doppelganger is your other half, doesn't necessarily have to be your twin other half, but looks like you and is there to teach the protagonist something about themselves and they're doing it through the use of violence. So that was going through. And that's evidenced in the Roshaman quality of

Washington story quality of like what really happened from different perspectives that the affair was structured on when you would pick up little clues of all right No, it's no yet. No is car got no what yeah, he's car got bashed into by gun through was trying to chase him down He's home the rearview mirror but He pulls over and he thought it was a vision, but the camera pulls back and there's no damage on the bumper.

So did it really happen or not? And then by stories end, he gets out of jail and confronts him in his own home. And it turns out the guy may have just been a well-meaning social worker all along. He worked in the jail and one makes sure that the inmates had a structured plan when they were if they got out and he was confronted by him on his own front lawn. And you should be left wondering, did that really happen that way?

And I think that was the perfection of that show because they did that from so many ways from retelling a story from different characters perspectives. Yeah, I was a her point of view, his point of view. But it's interesting to me not being any kind of sort of dramatically trained actor is that you do all this stuff prep work in your head and then you just stand there as Gunther and we as viewers just know a lot's going on. This you've you're gone and this guy has got tons of shit going on.

So it's just fun to watch. Thank you. It's interesting to pick different places to show up to like in the affair, which is a hit show and then he's in there. Just well, that's why you never went to my way. There's always these you're showing up and really kind of high quality stuff throughout the what do you call it? The post-knotz?

Not too much. 2012 to sit down. Around there. Yeah. I did take a step back to slow down. My life had taken a different path at that point too. I had had kids. I'd moved across the country.

There was some legal action in my life personally speaking. And that, you know know for better or worse It's something you must contend with and it takes your focus away from what your aspirations professionally are But he'd go mad if he didn't have a job, right? So I always had something to do whether it was with the affair or some other project and and also I don't know if I could have maintained the level of expected success that I had up until that point, because you fall out of favor if your film doesn't reach, or know, a magical number or something like that. And you don't know what the rules are. You don't know if you've been fired or you just won't be rehired.

So you got to take it in control of yourself. Being someone who had a botch bypass and had career difficulties. So I just wonder how you process that period of not needing to go into it personally, but it's sort of on record that you had troubles and various things, same with other people. How does it affect you now? You look back at, hey Brent, you know, were you proud of your courageous, you made the right choices? I'm glad for everything that happened the way that it did because I couldn't be the individual who I am now

without having gone through the paces that way before. If this kind of acknowledgement that I'm seeing or receiving right now had happened 20 years ago, I wouldn't have been able to, I wouldn't have had the emotional man toolbelts of psyche to deal with it. I do now because I have a context, I know why I do this, it's because of our kids now. And it just chemically changes everything that you, every choice you make, it gives it

a, oh, that's the reason why the rest of it was just about desperation and fun and trying to stay with a, I think that's why I'm at a trend desperation and fun or staying with a trend That's the title of his showtime special Brandon to find a good title for me. That's it. That's it That's it. You're quickly written. So yeah, it's sort of like your own mortality or you know knowing putting your kids first in your brain all the time Yeah, for me when I had, yeah, well, I was like, Oh, you can really check out here at any time, you know, so I was like, Oh, please, can I get to 60? Cause my son will check out meaning you. Yeah, because my issues were at 42.

I'm perfect now. I'm never on a hard tech. That's all it's in my book. I risk all of Dana and you look fantastic. You look really healthy and you look hot. Thank you. I know. Anyway, but I was curious about that

and that makes total sense. And so you're back at the table in a way and you're saying it makes sense. All this emotionality went through in this whole trajectory. You're able actually to grasp it, because I got an Emmy once and Bob Hope handed it to me. And I wasn't really there.

Just you had another body experience with you. I had a body, but I couldn't really, me and Emmy, I'm just from crying on my soul. And you're like, am I the good guy that's supposed to get an Emmy right now when I look at everyone so great? Yeah, that's weird. When I was in the cover row and so,

and I felt nothing. I just like, I couldn't grasp it. I'm just saying to you. So I'm gonna put that a little more because it kind of happened to me a little bit last night. I felt nothing. I just like, I couldn't grasp it. I'm just saying that you... I'm talking about that a little more because it kind of happened to me a little bit last night. Oh, yeah. The critics chose. You know, kind of, no.

Yeah, well, can I say one thing about things again? I just by accident. Because he was kind of doing TV movies, you know. And then he read the script, this was like very fast. Hannibal actor, whatever. Science and lamps he read the script, this would take very fast, Hannibal Lecter, whatever, science and the lambs. And he put it down for five pages, he said, I didn't want to read anymore because I might not get the part because it was so perfect. And he thought he would think to say, what would it be like to be in a big Hollywood

film? Oh, that must be amazing. So he does Hannibal Lecter, wins the Oscar, he's in Times Square. He looks up, signs to the lambs, Anthony Hopkins lying around the block and he says, and I felt nothing. So it's hard. You're out of body in a way. You're all these awards you're getting and 10 minutes of renovations. I would find it to grasp it. You feel like you're in a fever dream or something? No, sometimes, but that's just my own insecurity

coming to take over me. And the best advice I'm getting from friends and family and all that is just staying your own boots, just take the moment in. And I know that is value because I couldn't appreciate that stuff earlier on. I can now. Well, I think that for all of us,

because I'll cry in my car sometimes, just like for a minute, you know, when just things all the while. And David is there usually at the same time. No, but so when you're that raw with people and it's so authentic, I know that's such a cliche word now, it touches all of us. Because we're feeling the weight of it. You can't watch your acceptance speech. And I couldn't, by the end of the whale too, it was just so overwhelming.

And this, so whatever you went through, maybe informs you to bring us these gifts, it has to have that value or gotten into your body and, and the whale was shot during time of COVID also. So it was tiny set, two bedroom apartment. We rehearsed on the soundstage of the Tape Death Floor from Wonder One model, so we really knew our jobs pretty well going into it. So it's like exactly Tape Death Floor.

What the sounds go into it. You would rehearse a play, for instance. Darren wouldn't even let us cross the tape. We had to use the entrance. Oh, okay. Tape Death entrance. Like there's a wall there. Yeah, you'd walk into the wall, don't cross the tape.

Darren O'R Unless across the tape we had to use the entrance. Oh, like there's a wall there. Yeah, you're walking to the wall, don't cross the day. Darren Aronsky. Aaron Ops. Aaron Opsky. Aaron Opsky. I'm not good.

I want to stay school. I'm not good. We're from Montana. You know, we don't put two and two together too easily. I'm going to go back to how you do. I'm going to go back to how you do. I'm going to go back to how you do. I'm going to go back to how you do.

I'm going to go back to how you do. I'm going to go back to how you do. I'm going to go back to how you do. I'm going to go back to how you do. I'm going to go back to how you do. I'm, it's almost like I always thought just to touch on what you just said it would be harder to me. I think if you were on friends, it's like a show like that. The first thing out of the gate is so huge. And you don't realize it's not it might not be like that anymore. How do you follow that? And how do you follow and must screw with your head? And when you get like one line in something and then you get this and you sort of go up and have everyone has career ups and downs, that you do appreciate what it's going good

because you go, it can go away. You didn't know before, but now you go. I still feel like someone's gonna walk in the door and accuse me of fraud, basically. And I have a, with imposter syndrome, like you feel like, I should be feeling something. I guess it's normal, Jimmy Stewart and Henry fond of said they all well. That's it every movie. They haven't found me out yet Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I won't even do the impression. I guess we're right on schedule then guys

We're yeah, I David Now listen people don't know this. The whale got a 12 week standing ovation. By the way, I will say it's funny when I hear like a three minute standing ovation then six and I go, what are these people doing? Do they bring a lunch? Because they're popping one.

Are you sitting there? Because I loved it, but I have to go to the ballet now. If that is 15, it's a hard work. And Conan's watching on, are you done? I get it, you liked it. Now my feet are hurt. He le bit, he le bit.

I was trying to leave the theater. And I thought we were almost on the doors in Venice. And Darren's like, no, get back to the ball. I didn't really, all right, fight. So I did it. I took a ball. It wasn't, but what you don't see is I was looking at 1,200 people and they're all crying and they're telling and stuffing. They're doing this side.

You can't nut. So was that a moment? I was just curious about this when I see that. You do the movie, so everyone's starting to get you hyped up. You've got to admit, you're awesome at this. It's starting to happen. But then when you show it to an audience and you get that kind of response, then, okay, it's as great as people are telling me. And so that, see why that would be a waterworks moment, maybe even more than because it's pretty cool. They actually like it. It's not

just some agent or somebody telling you that it's good. You're great at it. Are you having a sense memory right now? I was just, no, no. Yeah, because that, no way. I am now. Now, yeah. Because it feels like that would be the first, what was the first one that you showed it to, where you were with the audience, and they just Venice.

Venice Film Festival. 1200 seat theater. I don't have the number of seats, but there were many, many, many people. And you had no idea how it's going to go. I know, I've seen it. I know that after you finished watching this film, the credits roll and people are still rooted to the spot.

And I don't say that in the same kind of like blown smoke kind of way agents go, well, I've done it man. I know. This one's legit. I was the whole time just riveting. I feel like I needed to reconnect a few sockets and cables after I saw not man thing.

And it's not, it doesn't let up. Your daughter and his'm in the thing. And now it's not, it doesn't let up. Your daughter in is wonderful. Sadie Singh. Sadie Singh is. From the changes things. You and her together is, that energy is magic. The two of she came in coming in hot and she did not let up.

She was tough too. She was tough. The estranged daughter. She's, for saying Sadie is a genuine article. I watch this kid winning the game ball every single day at a front row seat. She, her talent presages her years. I don't like, where do you come from?

And she is, there's Darren described. She's like a jewel. You look at it one way. It's interesting and new and beautiful and all that. There's something, a new facet and she was just consistent. A stone cold professional in her approach.

It's just always gold star performance. I could say nice things for the rest of her time here. But Sadie is also a young woman who has a big family. Her father is a football coach. He's got handshake on him, like, like gripping a handful of channel lock pliers. Like, you a stone Mason, like, and it's just him introducing himself. So she comes with a real strong family. And she has this gift. It has to be.

Her approach to playing this part was, and I saw it. It's she never went in for the trope of an angsty teenager. She understood that this girl is talented as a character, but doesn't know it yet. She has a lot of understandable rage that comes from her heart. Charlie did something that really, really wanted this kid and he didn't have to pay the bill on it until it confronts him in life.

You invited the bill, being there. Exactly. So she comes back and she's demanding of to get what she needs. Sadie's focus on that was never to crack, never to crack, never to crack, until the moment when the spell gets broken in a way when he finally crests his male killer

the manjarro of making his apology to her and comes to the film, but you know that's the moment. I'm filling up just thing about that part because first of all, I watched you from different eyes. My dad left when I was four and my brothers were six and eight. So, and he didn't come around and then he came back later and he wanted to, he didn't really want to make up. He just came around. And so, I was the one sort of pushing the reconciliation, you know, just because you don't have your dad.

And so there was themes in that movie that hit me in different ways, and also just the fact that it is just a very well crafted well, and the woman takes care of you, Liz, I think is an important. Hong Chao. Yeah, she was a magic as well. And yeah. And movies that are brilliant, that are great,

and I give it up to the writer director and all the performers. Samuel, do you have it? You can't imagine anyone else playing any other part. No. That's a great movie. That's always the sound of it. No one else could have done what you did.

She hung, I believe, that character should have its own movie. I want to know who Liz was at work in her other life. Right, because she just comes in. She's such a likable character. And there's more that Hong can say in between the lines, in the pauses and the silences, than any of the dialogues she's speaking, just by her face and how she drinks in,

who she's speaking to almost as if she's listening with her pores or something. Well, there's parts in there and you can always tell us to cut something out if it feels like it's too much her pores or something. Well, there's parts in there, and you can always tell us to cut something out if it feels like it's too much. But remember the part, Dana, where she's talking about her truck, and it's such a curveball,

like you're getting it from all sides, and it's just like, oh my God, what a fucking mess. Ah, that was tough to take, all that. So, listen, it got me. I kept starting and stopping it because I had to like gather myself. Brandon, I'm a comedic performer. I was doing sold out shows, other people's words, and big theaters. And it was hard to regain the funny bone. But like you,

very talented. And I got through it. Dana? Like you. I just want to ask, because I'm fascinated how great movies get made. I remember asking Joe Pesci once, do you know when it's great? How do you do it? I mean, what's the answer?

He goes, Hey, you're locking. That's how you do it. You just fucking lock in. You know, he said something once that I knew he'd done. He goes, and sometimes some guys don't want to fight. You know what I say?

Shiggle bowl across the nose. And you can tell he'd done that move. He's not a big guy, but. Doesn't matter. But he says you lock in. So for me, when you're shooting the whale, how does Darren approach that? So he's like, he's got these diamond gems.

You're in your figure, this guy person, and you're just so locked in. Does he do a lot of takes you? Ask for more takes? Is he? He likes to shoot a lot of takes. And that's okay with you. Look, we're all there once anyway.

I know we knew, like I said, we knew we're jobs from the rehearsal process. You made your discoveries and you're bonding, made your mistakes before you walk up and say, you're just a bunch of actors showing up going, you know, it would be really cool. And you're looking at the sides every morning. No, we knew how to play the music. It was a play. Yes, precisely. And for that, each take, because it's tiny sets, it's too bad an important, we're like a submarine crew on top of each other. And because of the just the exigencies of playing that character, and I'm wearing a great

deal of makeup and apparatus and costuming and harnessing, and you know, whether it was a man whose body is big like Charlie's or if I was in an alien costume or something They're really kind of the same approach. It's suit performing, you know, and So I think you know, we're here. Let's just keep doing it again Darren He he would just keep shooting me. We were also shooting like everyone does now on digital So there's no more film. There's no magazine to change. Just keep going. It's like a light switch Just you know, and you can do them on a loop. And if it's something off on a take, just back up the camera and go again. And I think that we

get him a lot of variety. And but in Hongs case, he would just kind of go, well, okay, well, we already got it. You know, it just show off Impressed me, he loved her so much. It was, it wasn't, you would, you would try it, it was really finessing, a many takes to find out what's the best way to do it. He was never shooting for variety with me at least. And you could almost do it different ways, like there's different colors and layers in each take,

and you're like, he's gotta go back and pick which is the best one because sometimes I think that was a good one next when you go that was good at the beginning oh we nailed that part you know on different movies but this this one I'm sure he's got in his head what he wants it's hard it would be hard with that emotion which is a lot of your stuff and humor to get through take after take, you know, that would be harder for me. You just have to get there. I was going to say one day at a time, I think, you know, you need an elephant one bite at a time.

At least it was in one location was kind of nice. Where was it? We shot in Newberg, New York, across the mighty, mighty Hudson. It was frozen at that time of year. So cold there. And now motor cycle museum and the lower half And I'm sure you said this on press junk. It's so it's three hours in probably and three hours out four Oh, and how many to get out an hour But that's okay. I mean shoot for 12 minutes a day. I actually

I had a guy Kevin Jagger he's brilliant on this this. I'm very goofy movie and no one saw it. Master disguise. I love master of this kind. Hey, man, it's let me get a look. Can I record this? Master. I just got a master of this kind. It was.

I'm a man. It's the interview that mentioned the interview. It was very silly, but he did, he had like eight hours with me sometimes. Eight honest. Yeah. What, which character? Um, well, it was the turtle man. hours with me sometimes. Eight. Honest. Yeah. Which character? Do you remember?

Well, it was the turtle man. I get, well, I'd get there at 330 or 4 sometimes. He would spray tobacco very detailed on my hands and stuff. Was he built, what are they putting appliances on you that were already? Appliances on, when I did, from Jaws, you know, Robert Shaw, Shartoon of Water, that was a big one, you know. Right, exactly.

And I'm so, I'm encased in rubber. I don't know if you had a situation, I was asking a second. And they said, Barbara Streisand's here today, because James Rowland was playing the father. So I had lunch with Barbara Streisand, but I'm in full prosthetic, Robert Shaw,

make up the whole time. There was no time for me to get out. So do you have goofy agents or people come by? You're completely Charlie, you're fully your guy. And then you're talking, you're in the, and you're talking as Brendan. I was a lot. There was, yeah, there were moments of that.

But if we weren't like in the production of the family, there weren't many visitors anyway, they're actually zero because it was yeah, COVID restrictions all that I Think David for me 24 came round just put his head into my cooling tent and say hi You know cooling tent. Yeah, I did I had a cooling tent. I make sense Marko lounger. Yeah, because you can't like get up and run the lunch you have to be wheeled the seven-year cell steps from the chair To the side to the chair to the side. Yeah, I won't say anything more about the movie, but yeah, I could see that.

We're talking about the movie The Way All, which is doing very, very well. Box office-wise, I've read. I mean, it's getting a big audience for an indie film. It's hard to make adult thoughtful dramas at the moment I hope that I'll turn around. It used to be that's all you could make. If you wanted to do something small, it was a thinky piece that went to a film festival that you hoped for distribution or something like that. But what with streaming and all the different ways to consume content. Well, after your saw long did take after what? After you were done with your rehearsals, how long did it take to actually shoot it?

I think we had like 30 something days, not a clean of weekends, but you know, 30, 30 days. But we shot mostly chronologically, which was really helpful. That's fun, yeah, that really helped. You can really get through. I wouldn't say it's a fun movie,

but I'd say that helps. That helps. Well good is good. I'm wondering when the first time you did the makeup test and you became the character. And when you looked in the mirror, obviously the thing is you start to go, what was your reaction? Was it emotional almost? It was, actually, funny if you'd ask.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I think before, well, the first time the first test was at the protozoa office, and the Adrian Moro is the designer of this makeup. He's brilliant. And getting into it for the first time, you know, it was big labor to get all the parts of Montreal and all that. And Daryl looked over my shoulder and he said, for the rest of your life. What does that mean? That's what I thought. That mean. And then I thought, I know what you mean, actually, because you can't really divorce yourself

from me creating this character for better or worse. We'll be remembered. Yes. You can be remembered for something for the rest of the way for any number of reasons. Well, there's never been a movie that explored people suffer from obesity. Not this way. No. I always thought about this long and hard.

I remember. Not this way. No, I was, I thought about this long and hard. I remember. Not this way. Yeah. The closest I could think of, and this might be reaching for it, was Dom Delewese in FATSO. Oh, interesting. It was called FATSO. It was called FATSO. It was called comedy from the 80s, right, or 70s. It was really emotional, too.

Yeah. And I brought Audrey inspiration from John Candy and Plains Trains and Automobiles. Yeah. You recall when they were, he was deriding him and he says go ahead You can I'm a big guy you take shot at me. Yeah, but I like me my wife likes me I'm good enough. I mean, and he looked like he was gonna crack in that moment He probably was and it was beautiful piece of acting right there I don't think we'd seen that kind of sensitivity attached to owning who you are when you live in a larger larger body like that.

Yeah, and I love that it used a college professor, you know, and there was a heartache always underneath almost the entire, it was just there you didn't have to play. Even when you're being light, like you're being light with everyone you're saying I'm sorry. But you know, it's all in really your face. So the suit kind of goes away for work because you're just watching you to see what's going on.

That's hope because in the absence of it, you know, being a success with our finely tuned brand seeing makeups versus CGI creations, and you can tell where the dotted lines are, and you automatically go, you have to make a decision about suspension of belief, all that one slide. But with this, it was a straight ahead analog made up.

Yeah. With the exception of maybe a light digital curative, if like a piece of fabric on your shirt, it was acting up in its own movie or whatever, that we'd fixed that later. There was a seam when on the bib sort of shape, the collar when Charlie goes down the hallway, you go to bed, he takes a shirt off before. And you know, anyway, that that was the full suit. It was very heavy. And, you know, anyway, but apart from that, what you see was what you got. But if it didn't work, there was no movie. And the rule was, this is a makeup and costume that will obey the laws of physics and gravity. It will not be what we've seen so frequently, which is a foam light foam Halloween costume

kind of silhouette that an athletic actor wears and you sort of defy gravity and bounce around the way. And you know, I mean, that's, that's a different movie. It's a different genre. I have mixed feelings about what's funny about that and what's not. You look like it was very belabored to do anything. That guy was ill. He was not well. I mean, when you were weezing and, you know, I felt suffocated, you know, I was really in, when he, the heroic moment with his daughter,

where he's, I don't want to give away the ending, but when he gets up, that was just, that put me in a puddle of tears. I'm, I'm feeling it right now. Having the strength to get to your feet. Yeah, just someone who loves his daughter so much and it's impossible And he's gonna do it anyway. And anyway, you should see it folks. If you like great drama, if you like great movies, my God. Yep. You got me again, Brandon. What do you got for bread? I think we should let him go on his flight

Brendan's a very nice dude and a brainfrager on the way to go to More stuff in London anyway, well on a just another human note everyone you know there's so many awards In our lives growing up. Yeah, you're. You could play a little, speak French, but there's the Academy Awards. I mean, you've already nominated Glyn Glyn, you've won Critics' Choice. I don't know how many more they'll be, but do you let your mind wander to that idea?

No, I can't, I don't wanna get ahead of myself. I can't read those tea leaves any better than you, or anyone can. I laugh at the prognostication that goes on. There's nobody no It's always a surprise use yourself of having the inside track you do not Nobody knows you do have to keep that attitude Yes, you know, I think it was Herman Melville who wrote I know not all that may be coming but come what Will what may I will go to it laughing? Yes, I lived by that from since Venice and now a few other maxims and idioms along the way and other one being

Ignorance is the parent of fear It's better to know better better to go towards the risky things that weren't reticent to know about or learn about. So they have a fully formed opinion about a more well informed opinion than just ignoring it and condemning it early on and remaining frightened. That's again, Melville, 1851. Moved to dick. Exactly. What's Greg Repack? That's too. Todd is a little kid. He's always blown away about it.

I just do Greg Repack. Greg Repack. I've kissed bigger lips than yours. I'm Greg Repack. I'm Henry Fonda. I can do these guys, but no one knows what they talk like. Yeah. I know a lot about a G.A.F. projector. Now you're a polar right here with G.A.F. G.A.F. anyway, I just do the voices, but you know, those rich little voices,

those old movie stars, the only one you could do now is Jimmy Stewart because of it's a wonderful life. Kid came out to me, he did this a wonderful life guy. But the rest are the rest are fake now. They don't know who they are, they have the camera. No, it's okay, they're our first movie stars. I still do Nixon in my act, it seems to. Do we get a taste?

No, no. Oh, that's a good one. Is that the standard? I heard. That's it. Now, Nixon was a good go to. Alderman and Dean, they were the ones that lock me down in that pile. Well, good luck to you. I think

anything that happens from now on is all gravy. So Brandon great. Great talking to you. Could I I'll give you one little thing and I'll do it as a thousand bronze. Fee five full form. I smell an Oscar nomination. Oh, sorry, he's laughing. Yeah, God. Sorry. He's laughing. Well, since you were mad at it, just in memory of my late mother who loved the church lady because she was church. She was church lady. Oh, that's funny. Well, well, well, we're up there getting our war. It's our way. We think we're a little bit superior to a little

man I like to call Jesus. We like ourselves, don't we? We're having a good old time at the party circuit where alcohol is served and the sluts there are plenty. Yeah, I don't know where she came from, but that's, I'm flattered that your mom got some joy out of that character and my mother-in-law's Irish Catholic loves it Is it a lot? They would have gone along great! They loved it.

No one took offense to it even in the Bible belt. They just loved, but it's just fun to be superior. We like to talk on our little microphone. Don't be, David. We've got a podcast. We feel superior. I don't know where it's hitting on a character. But, um, Brendan Frazier exudes like ability.

I'm so happy that he's laughing right now because it's been, and he got me, David for me. David saw a little bit, we laughed, but anyway. I saw the whole thing you, Jack, has the whale. Well, just everything here when we saw a thing about that last moment in the film that still gets me. I don't want to talk about that because it's part of the movie.

But I always got all across the board. I kept stopping because I was like, oh my God, this is catching me off guard. Oh, yeah. So what can we, how can we sum up? We just, we appreciate you. I mean, the whole world is, as you know, it just loves you. Everyone's kind of to see you.

It's not always really nice. And I know that you've been through everything and it's just seems, well, that's Joe business. And then there's life and it's hard to, you know, kind of puff yourself up at this point and go, hey, damn right, you know. I will never let that happen. And it was never gonna happen,

but at least my, I would just, just enjoy it as much as you can. You gotta a little run going, just, I think you know. As much as you can. I appreciate it. I ride it out a lot. If people would say nice things to me sometimes, I'm like, oh, okay.

You're blowing up, Dan. That's my sister. You're blowing up again. I go, really? I don't think so. So I know, but for you, you're training and what you've shared with us about your, you know,

Quoting Melville and what you're doing, you know. I mean, that's the true path. Like, what's, you know, what's the work, you know? In the end of the day, yeah, you did this brilliant piece of acting in this film. That's all we have. That's very clear. Look, I summed it up.

And what I have a business manager to introduce to you, no, I mean, advice. No, he's doing good so far. Yeah, so anyway, well well good luck in these next few weeks going through the circuit and you know, we only wish you the best. And we also really want to thank you for coming on our podcast. It's my absolute pleasure. No, it's it's it's very very flattered. You got to talk toward the end. I know that was a big deal. We tried to interrupt I said to David for let's let's kind of ma 50% of the time. We have to coach us.

No, we help you. Is there anything else you feel you want to say to the world? Just think. Because we have a really big following. Thank you very, very much. All right. No, it's a completely joy to fly on the wall

with Dana Carbjoon, David Spinn. Here you go. Brendan Frazier, thank you. Hey, what's up, flies? What's up, Blaze? What's up, people that listen? We want to hear from you and your dumb questions. Questions, ask us anything.

Anything you want. You can email us at flyin'thewallatcadens13.com. Okay, here's an AMA, guys. Dan and get prepped. First of all, I picked a sunglass, David, I'm gonna let you pick for this segment. I don't mind the little, no, I like those better.

Oh my God. Okay. Twins. Love the podcast. The recent Farley tribute was great. Send me on a YouTube deep dive of Farley's time in us now. What a legend. Question for David.

You mentioned a movie you and Chris pitched. We're pitched shortly before he passed called The Tree. Do you remember specifics? Yes. His name is Lance Witchie. Pronounced like Witchie woman. So he says, okay, the tree Dana was a movie. It was pretty typical of spade, Farley formula. I like this. I was, I was a stiff DC political guy,

climbing up like an assistant whatever low man on the totem pole. I'm getting married. It's a week for my wedding, week for Christmas or whatever. After Thanksgiving, they say they want a tree to be delivered to, you know, across the country. I order it. There's a big screw up.

It's my fault. I hear from the president himself. You go get the tree and bring it back. Make sure it gets here. So I have to fly across country. I have to get back to my wedding and Farley is the lumberjack. That's charged the tree and he wants to make 18 stops on the way there and I don't want to. So we fight along the way and sort of a good device. Kind of train. Yeah.

It's playing an all-over- via like two misfits on a journey. Is that script still around? It might be, I had a little later. It's all later. It's a good one in journey. Yeah, well I'm a pro journeys. And Melissa McCarthy, I thought it might be funny at one time for that.

But it just sort of went away. We both had read it, we had done, you know, we just done two. So we thought let's give it a breather, but at it. We had done, you know, we just done two. So we thought, let's give it a breather, but at the end, we were like, you know, the tree was pretty funny. We could probably shape that or get somebody on that. So anyway, it didn't work out. But that was kind of what it was. I never asked you this, but what was the difference you think in terms of like black sheep versus Tommy boy. Nothing.

Oh, I mean, you sense that maybe black sheep wasn't, because Wayne's world two didn't do as good as Wayne's world one, but. Well, the problem there was Tommy Boy, the quick stories, which were not good at quick stories, but it sort of fell into place. Pete Seagal's director of Fred Wolfson said, we're just adding jokes.

He's all screwing around. So yeah, it was like easy and Pressuring the second one. Second one we got your director From Wayne's world now it be yeah, and she didn't want me in black sheep so And she's admitted this she said I wasn't good and she didn't like me and Tommy boy and she said She just wanted to move with Chris so she would do this movie. Oh well when, when the... And that's when it's, and she took 40 pages out of the script at Fred Road and we all chipped in on so... We were more separated the movie and it wasn't as fun back and forth.

I still like Vaggy, but I'm not here to hammer her down. I'm just saying. No, I'm sure she got some of that. That's what it turned into. I didn't mean to bring up something negative. I would just say that Vaggy is a budget. I think Vaggy is a budget, so I know. I know. I think Vaggy is a budget also, David, if I could for a moment.

Budgets are also can be the enemy of comedy. So the first movie they threw Mike and I as Wayne and Garth on the hood of the car, and we're going, do you ever be attracted to Bugs Bunny or whatever? And it was like, took 20 minutes. Do you ever, wasn't overthought? She's a baby.

If she were a president, she'd be Big Brem Lincoln. So it was just one take, go away. Second movie was like a three-day shoot, multiple cameras around that car for us. CGI. Sucking and squeezing the life out of it. So anyway, no one's fault. And a lot more pressure, a lot of more cooks in the kitchen. More pressure. Yeah, but not we think this way could be funny. This could overthought, overtested. And so I still liked a lot of block shape and Chris was definitely funny in it, but there were some funny parts. But now when we did add one thing, I have to give her where we were in bunk beds and when

she said, I'm going to do this thing where he falls on you and I go, we didn't shoot that because she goes, I did it with a camera trick. And when I saw it, I was like, there's no fucking way I would even know that was a camera trick. It looks so real. And so I will give her that was a camera trick. It looks so real. And so reverse. I will give her that. That was very funny.

And, um, great additional joke, which is what you're killing for in those movies. Just get a house laugh. So, uh, that's it. And, um, thank you for asking. This has been a podcast presentation of Cadence 13. Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes. Available now for free wherever you get your podcast. No joke, folks! Fly in the Wall has been a presentation of Cadence 13, executive produced by Dana Carvey

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