Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Brett Goldstein

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

American vs. British humor, the effect of Ted Lasso, and SNL in England with Brett Goldstein. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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If you or someone you know has concerns about gambling, visit connexontario.ca, T's and Z's apply. David, our guest today. This was so, it was, you're gonna have a good time people. Brett Goldstein, most famously known as Roy Kent, the Gruff alpha male on Ted Lasso, which you got two Emmy awards for. Yes, it was good to talk to another Gruuff alpha male on Ted Lasso, which you got two Emmy awards for. Yes, it was good to talk to another gruff alpha male for me.

It was nice. This dude has done everything. From England, he has done Doctor Who, he has done Derek. I think Derek is the one with Ricky Gervais. He was in there. Yes. And then as of late, he's filming right now, Romcom with J.Lo, which he wrote with a friend of his.

And he's doing Shrinking with Harrison Ford, Jason Segel, you know? So just nonstop, he has a deal with, we can go on and on. Warren Bright has a standup special. He writes and produces all these shows and then he's in them and stuff. He'll tell us an interesting story

about how he got cast as a- Yes, we made him do that story and he was gracious. He's actually talking to us on his break from the movie on a weekend, which was very generous of him. And I had some good laughs with him. Obviously he's a comedian, so we cracked up, but we dissected the comedy special like we always do, and his, which is coming out soon.

What is it called, Dana? His comedy special? Oh, that's called The Second Best Night of Your Life. That's right, it's a cool name. HBO. HBO. HBO coming out. He's a very curious person as a writer, so he asked us a lot of questions.

So we did talk a lot. So bear with that. Yeah, he was kind of curious about our situation. He has a podcast called Films to Be Buried With as well that's out there. So yeah, he's super busy, highly successful, and completely humble. Yeah, so a lot of fun and very humble.

And ask us questions, so don't get mad about that because I know, but it's fun if they're interested. And we had a great three-way chat. It was like being at dinner. And here he is. ["Dreams of a New World"] Guys, how are you? dinner and here he is. Guys, how are you? How are you? Hey, somebody looks like their picture. Nice to see you again. Of course you remember when you met me. Yes. You do? I remember, well, I've never, I haven't had a long chat with Eve Review and I'm a big fan but I've

introduced David on stage. Oh yeah, the improv. Interesting. I remember that, I told Dana that. We just ran into each other at one of those loud parties. It wasn't a time to, hey, I really like Ted Lasso. Really?

Yeah, I know Jason Sudeikis. Really? Yeah, I hate those parties, man. That fucking music drives me nuts. Hey, whoa, whoa. I'm coming in hot. What party was it? It was one of the SNL parties.

Yes, that's right. That's where it was. And I wanted to say I love Hetman and Harry, but it was too loud. I'm exhausted right now because I looked at all what you're doing out there right now. It's not gonna be. I'm exhausted because I've read your credits.

You've got a lot going on. Yes. Busy boy. He's like, yes, and that's why I have to jump off right now. Thanks, guys. Can I just do a quick question? Like, what? I didn't use this sort of cliche in a sense, but I guess like in 2017, 2018, you were kind

of regular famous. You've done some things. And then Ted Lasso and you became extra famous. Yeah. What year, how long have you been extra famous? This has been like three years since people are like, hey, are you? And you move the day.

It was a weird thing where we did the, we did lockdown. And when we came out of lockdown, we suddenly were pointed out in the street. Oh, so it was playing the whole time? Just pointed at you. Hey! We were like, what's happening? Locked down?

What's on our face? Something happened. If they said to you, if... This is a deal I would take. We're going to lock you down for two years, but you'll be your super famous after. I would say, okay. That's kind of what happened. Kind of a dystopian nightmare,

and you just were emancipated from it into love and human beings being so excited to see you. Oh, that's a very nice way of thinking about it. How have you two coped with being famous for as long as you have been famous, which is a long, long time now? David, you go first. We like it when guests ask questions, by the way.

Thank you. I'm glad we got through the Brett part of this interview. We're done with the Brett, but we get to this. You can get a cup of tea, sit back, and 20 minutes from now, one, two, three. No, I. How old were you two? Because you were both, You can get a cup of tea sit back and 20 minutes Hello, will you two when you were my my

My I got an SNL and I had kind of regular fame. It was in the 80s, but then I had Wayne's World Got an Emmy for doing political impressions. Anyway, I'm just saying everything whooshed up and I was on the cover of Rolling Stone. So for that year, it was peak fame and I found it exhausting, just basically exhausting because I'm kind of a people pleaser. And so anyone who wanted to give me the time of the, well, sure, you know. So I think I'm David, right?

It's David. I think David would David, right? It's David. I think David, David would, um, have a different journey. Mine was very gradual, uh, Brett, because standup middle act wasn't even a headliner when I got on SNL, did an HBO, like young comedian special. So I got a drop of attention. But got on SNL, but didn't do that much for a while. Dana kind of came out of the gate big, and I took a while. And then leaving that, and then a movie,

and then another movie. I think it was after SNL, after some movies, and then a sitcom called Just Shoot Me, and then I got the cover Rolling Stone. And the cover Rolling Stone is a very hard one over here, especially if you're a comedian. So I feel like that was. When people say, when were you the most famous?

It's such a weird question, and it's always right now because it's accumulation of everything, kind of, or people finally caught up to stuff. But that was probably the year because you don't get that a lot, if ever again. So I really felt like that was a fun one. And Dana got one, maybe two, I don't know. Is this why you two are best friends? Because you can only be both on the cover of Rolling Stone. Is that the part of it? It's part of the club. And if you get on there, we're going to be hanging out a lot. Well, I'm just curious, how are you, how's the recognition factor in different countries, like Great

Britain compared to Ireland? Because Lasso is Lasso or TED. I like to shorten the show. TED is global. So that's a different thing. So where are you the most? I mean, there was like the first year we were only recognized in America, but then I think the second year then was, it's all, I haven't, yeah, it's sort of everywhere because I think

it's because it's on Apple. Yeah. I mean, I haven't checked. Did England take any, was there any different feeling than America? America was just sheer joy and bliss. Was England because you were there and your English is any different? I thought English people wouldn't take to Ted Lasso because it's sincere. So I thought English people would take it.

Is that not what plays over there? No. Is that not what plays over there? No, I thought they were going to be like, you fucking prick, you sincere prick. Oh, you're so fucking earnest. Oh, I don't like that show. You're so fucking earnest. Is it a lot of comedies more insincere? Well, yeah, or negative. Like as in...

Taking the piss out of people, smarty. I'll tell you what was a really interesting thing that happened that I learned is I did this show that no one ever saw. It was like an improvised sitcom with David Hasselhoff where David Hasselhoff came to England and we were like his fake entourage. Off the record. Yeah, off the record, yeah. And it was really funny. to England and we were like his fake entourage.

Off the record. Yeah, off the record, yeah. And it was really funny. No one ever saw it. It was proper funny. But what was interesting about it is he, as the American, we were like improvising these scenes and he came to us one day and he said,

guys, he said, they're making you look like idiots. And we were like, yeah, making you look like idiots. And we were like, yeah, no, it's okay. It's okay because- Was he worried about you guys looking stupid in a mockumentary? And it's okay because- Because we're in this. That's the joke.

It's meant to be funny. Like as in he wanted us all to be heroes. And I was like, that's such an interesting like, Oh, it's funnier that you guys are all well, you guys gave us a money Python, you know, so it's kind of like, doesn't get any better than that. But I do think first, I have philosophical alert. No, Ted Lasso, even for America, the earnestness of it, the sincerity of it took us off guard. You know? Right. Yeah. Because people told me to watch it. I go,

what? Lasso? I don't know. I was like, kind of like, I don't know. Cowboy. I would sit on Peach Channel 4. No. So then I watched it and I started seeing it and it was the chemistry and it, you know, I'm not going to say lightning in a bottle. I'm not going to say that because I don't want to speak in cliches. It might be a great show is when every single person in the cast is the only person you can imagine playing that part. And Ted Lasso had that across the board, in my opinion. That's very nice.

I feel the same way about Just Shoot Me. Can I ask you... Is that a callback? Did it make it over there? Oh, you saw the show? Yeah, yeah. It was on late night in England. It was on BBC 1285.

It was on BBC 1285. Still getting the checks, eh? Shit. God, I'm glad you saw just shoot me. Gives me some legitimacy on this call. Thank God. Yeah. Tell me this. I want to know about you two.

Have you done stand up or shows in England? No. I've been invited, but never lined up. But I, how does- What are you scared of? I don't know if it would work. Why are you scared? We are scared, I'm scared, for sure.

Uh-oh. Why won't you come? They'd love you. I don't, I just don't know if my shit would work. Well, first of all, London's my favorite city. I've been there several times. I love everything about it. The West End, you know.

Eiffel Square. Yeah. Eiffel Square. Now all the biggies, the West End, you know. Eiffel Square. Yeah. Eiffel Square. Now all the biggies, the pyramids. Leicester Square. This is, you know, okay, I have to add, these are just arithmetic questions, but so you got this special that's coming out

in a couple of weeks. Second best night of your life. I like the title. That's a good title. Always hard to get a title. Yeah. Spade's got one coming out called Dandelion. Always hard. I like, good title.

I saw the trailer and the title was explained in the trailer and I was like, respect. Yeah, cause I'm a puss. No one would guess that. Where did you shoot the special? Oh, in New Jersey. New Jersey. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah. So the Englewood. The Bergen theater, did you? At the PAC. Okay. Bergen. And how many people? It was 2000 or...

Two shows one night? Two shows one night. Love it. So pre-pandemic you're playing clubs, is that right? Yeah, clubs in like 50 seaters. Kind of my favorite size, you can't make money, but I like a 50 seater. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? So then now your life has just went, this last five years. It really did. But I think I was sort of, this is why I'm asking, when you, what age you were, because I was quite, I was 38 when I did Lasset, I think. Okay.

I'd been going, I'd been doing all of this at a low level for a long, long time. So I think, I just didn't expect any of it, but then when it happened, it was like, well, I'll be dead soon. So I made the most of it. Yeah. I think it must be nice to go special. If you're 38 and you're doing pretty well, you probably go it probably would have happened by now. And the odds get higher that I mean, you can be famous, but then you, to have a

game changer is very rare. Exactly. Yeah. I'd long given up on sort of a big thing happening. Yeah. I thought when I got to SNL at 31, I'd been in the clubs for 10 years and I'd audition for SNL several times in clubs and just thought it was sort of over. A lot of things had to come together. They were recasting and long story short, I got it at 31 and then the show was really

on a low point. But by, it happened to be the shit we had to rescue. Let's just take this guy. We can't lose. It wasn't easy. I thought I was going to turn the lights out because everything pilot I'd ever done, every show I'd ever done, it failed. So thought I was going to turn the lights out because everything pilot I'd ever done, every show I'd ever done had failed. Sucked.

So I didn't want to turn. Oh, you can turn it out now. Okay. That's 8H. Tana, turn the light out on the way out. You fucked the entire franchise. What else have you got? So I was around that age, 36, when I started to make extra money and be extra famous. And I found it, it's a Faustian deal in some ways over time. Do you have a financial planner, kid? He's got a printing press. I would say to you this, and I don't think I've ever expressed this.

I'll just do it very quickly, is that at some point you want a wall of money that's given you income, not risky investments, not real estate, but liquidity, bonds or something that is giving you a wall of income. So in 10 years from now, you never go on Bended Deed, you never have to do anything you don't want to do. Your career so far seems like you're in command and control because you're the executive producer, you're the writer.

You wouldn't have those issues. But whatever money you think you want, you just want to be completely done by 50. So you have nine years, eight years? I'm going to play back this podcast and I'm going to have to write out what you just said because you lost me at bonds. It doesn't matter about bonds, mailbox money, just money that comes in when you're not working so that you can pick and choose your projects, that's all. But I think you already, most standups just do standup and try to get hired.

I mean, you got a big deal with Warner Bros. I mean, you're already in charge. I think you're doing perfect. I take back what I said. You don't need my advice. No, I'm listening. I really, I'm listening to all of it. You know, Dan, I always say raccom

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And everyone tells me, when I spoke to Bill Hader, I said to him, he was making Barry at the time. And he was like writing, exacting, directing, producing, all of it. And I said, how do you cope with the pressure of that? That's such a huge, huge undertaking. And he said, anything's easier after S&L. Oh wow. And I wonder if you too feel this way, like the machine of SNL seems to me so fucking insanely stressful and it's sort of the ego of it week by week that you could be in a sketch, then you're not in a sketch and

you're the king for a night and it's gone and then week on week, how do you, how did you feel about that? You know, Bill, who's one of the greats of SNL, we all love, I think maybe what he's saying is that at that point, you're on the upswing and you're trying to get to a level where you, you're not gonna give up on showbiz. You know, everything's going on,

like you've all been in that position, we've all been where, am I gonna do this forever? Because I just barely, barely making it. And that's the stress of SNL, you're gonna get fired every year. No one's treated preferentially really. And you keep writing and keep proving yourself. With Barry maybe, which sounds so, such a hard undertaking,

is he's already got to this point and he's been given something and now it's just not fun but fun and hard but maybe there's something. I can't imagine something that hard. SNL was horrible but it's in the past but the new thing would seem harder like okay it's right in front of me I gotta make this work which luckily he did. Dana, what do you think? Well I would say all that is true it It's an emotionally violent sport, SNL.

But over time, if you write your own sketches and get some friends together, it might help out but it's coming from you. And then there's no time for someone to overthink it. Was great for my ADD brain. There was no real direction. You direct yourself. The directors are trying to get the shots by the seat of their pants.

You know nothing. And so you're a master of your fate in some ways. There's whimsy to that, but then you have control. And so when I walked off, I didn't have the confidence. I was being offered multi-millions to do a couple of films that were complete mistakes, you know? Because then going from complete control to no control, a hundred takes, they edit the way they want.

I did this thing in a scene which I thought, okay, I nailed this. I looked at the monitor, saw it in the film, it's been cut to pieces. What I love about your resume so far is that you're Bill Hader. Bill Hader bet on himself. They, he could have made a Stefan movie,

let's just say 15 million. Sure. He could have stayed at SNL or done another variety show. He bet on himself. He just said no. And now he's like, he's a Cohen brother or he's Kubrick. He can do what he wants. Or he's a Paul Thomas.

So what you're doing is already fantastic. You're making shows, you're in control. And the only time I've been really unhappy in show business, like truly unhappy, is being on a set or in a project where you look over at the brain trust around the camera and you're like, oh, we're fucked. Yeah. This is not gonna work.

You can tell right away it's not working. So just do what you've been doing. You are, you're in charge of your, you know. So far this podcast is really lovely, so thank you very much. We're going to transcribe it. Don't let them dangle a shiny arm. You may get so popular that you're tempted to do some movie you don't want to do because all of a sudden it's whatever cartoon money would be.

The money is only about freedom. The only reason to have money from my mind is to have freedom. Freedom to work or not work, freedom to how to work. By the way, I'll just ask you, do you have shiny things that speak to you like watches, cars? Do you live, which is totally fine? cars, do you live, which is totally fine? No, that's the, again, the beauty of it is I don't, I never, I always made enough. Before this all happened, I always made just enough. I made enough to pay my rent. I made enough to go to the cinema, which I like doing it. And I made enough for black t-shirts, which is all I wear.

That was it. And so when all this happened, look at us. Oh God, all I need is a cover of Rolling Stone and we can be a gang. How are you? I can't afford that shit. Why this one might be. I have a stupid regular shirt on.

Oh, I have a good question for him. Dana, watch this, watch this. That's good, fastball coming in. Okay, Brent, that's your real name, Brent. Brent. So, Brent. It's Brent. If England is doing an SNL. Yeah, they are, right? England is doing SNL, Brett. Brett. So Brett, if England is doing an SNL. Yeah they are, right? England is doing

SNL, Dana, did you know this? Yeah, yes I did read about that. That's a big story we haven't talked about enough. Yeah. Obviously I don't think you would want to be on it as a cast member, but what are your thoughts about that? That sounds right. I was thinking what's the equivalent of SNL over there and then I just thought, oh wait I think they're doing one. They're doing one. They're doing one, yeah. They just announced it, yeah. I think there are so many fucking great sketch comedians and comedians in England that it could be amazing.

I think for years everyone has tried to do an SNL and failed at it. So I think making an actual SNL might be the answer. Instead of a knockoff. Yeah, instead of going like, Sunday morning, I've recorded. They're always trying. Right, right, right.

And I've noticed, I think what they've always made the mistake of is they go to like the Edinburgh Festival and they find a sketch group and another sketch group who aren't friends, don't know each other, and they go, they sort of mix and match random people. Whereas I think if they go to the groups that have chemistry and have built something and put them in stuff and give them some autonomy, I think it could be amazing. It could be.

I think that's a good observation. I think on SNL, John Lovitz when I was there, knew Phil Hartman and Jan Hooks, knew these writers. And there was a chemistry that started right away. Yeah. And you need it right away. Because that first viewing people will be like, is this any good? That's the pressure of life. They don't go, you know what?

We'll get it gelled around show 15 and they're like, we're gone. So that's the scary part, the pressure, get it right, right away. And if you have people that work together, that would help. Like they come in with something. You've got to have a such a weird thing. It's such a ephemeral thing, but I like SNL because it's like the Muppet Show, right? It is a gang show and it is the chemistry of...

Dana was Fozzie Bear for sure. It's a sporting event, but the thing about it being live is that it's obliterated all the competition. We used to have so many, mostly tape, but variety shows were huge, I assume in England as well in the 60s and 70s. Now they've all disappeared. I tried one in prime time, Martin Short did, all disappeared. I tried one in prime time, Martin Short did all disappeared. There is no live 90 minute comedy show with a, with a really cool band and maybe a movie star or football player host.

So, you know, stay to that have, have a, uh, an athlete host. You just do the, do all that. But you guys between Ricky Gervais, I'll just loop, leap around here. Peter Sellers, of course. And I already mentioned Monty Python. It's one of your biggest exports, is comedy. Yeah. Yeah.

I think it's, I'd be really interested if they fuck it up. I don't know the fact, the backness of it. As in if Lauren's involved, I don't know. Like if it's like, I don't- Would they ship a Tina Fey over to help get it going? Would they do, you know, I don't know what they ship a Tina Fey over to help get it going? Would they do, you know, I don't know what extent they would be involved, you know, because it's a very complicated show to do.

And there's gotta be some shortcuts of people that have done it forever that can help alleviate the full on stress it would be. Would you go? Yeah, let's go. I would go. No, I don't think I'm good enough. Dana might be good.

Dana should be the first host to sort of tie it all together. I would go. I would go. No, I don't think I'm good enough. Dana might be good. Dana should be the first host to sort of tie it all together. I would go. I would just stay with, I mean, there's two lanes of that show. One lane is that you're seeing some unknown people, comedians, come on the show. And so you're watching them evolve and you're kind of rooting for them and seeing them get find the audience, get more confident. And that is a reality show. So when the show bombs, so to speak, it should just as interesting as when it kills because it's live. Oh, this sketch is bombing. And, you know,

it's kind of fun for the audience. Jake is the guest host and he's really, he's horrible writing. Oh yeah, he could be the first guest host too. Sorry Dana, you're pushed out. We've already had Jake. You're second week. And then an athlete or someone who's never done comedy in their life is forced to do sketch comedy. So if they do it, great.

That's another secret sauce. You have a lot of those over there. You could do that. Those are two. And then constantly have Paul McCartney sing Let It Be. Every week. And J.Lo. Yeah, every week.

Oh, to promote the movie. We gotta hurry up and get this SNL going though. Tell me, have you, what do you, what's your like secret when you're bombing? If the sketch isn't working, what do you do? Do you feel terrible when it's not working? No date is bombing if he's on stage. When you're bombing, if the sketch isn't working, what do you do? Do you feel terrible when it's not working? No date is bombing if he's on stage. Well, Will Ferrell famously, no, I can easily, that show can go south in a second,

cause it's so under rehearsed and live, the audience can be weird. Will Ferrell is famously the most, like if a sketch starts to bomb, his commitment goes up exponentially. Goes harder, yeah. And so yeah, you just sort of, it's all madness, but it's very much under-rehearse

and there's rewrites right before you go on and you're gonna get it right off the cue card. But that's what gives it this chemistry, this excitement. Live from London just sounds funny to me. It's a little bit like the Clash, London calling. Maybe that should be the theme, but live from London. Is there any other town it could be from out there?

Yeah. Live from Liverpool. Live from Birmingham. That has to be London. Has to be London. London calling. Yeah, you're frozen but with a thumbs up like you're really pleased about it. Okay Martin, let's try one. Remember, big. You got it. The Ford It's a Big Deal event is on. How's that? A little bigger.

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Yes. And it's really the premise of, and I did think about it, movies that affected you. It's like the film that made you cry the most, the film that scared you the most, the sexiest. Exorcist scared me the most, the film that scared you the most, the sexiest. Exorcist scared me the most. Yeah. 2001, A Space Odyssey at 13 in a Cineramidome in Seattle blew my mind basically.

Wow. Didn't know, didn't have any precursor like what is this about? And everything about that movie. I actually a few years ago they were going ago, they did the 50th whatever anniversary, and I saw it six times over two months at the Arclight Theater in LA. It's just kind of a spiritual experience. Yeah.

It's a meditative experience. And I don't know why Kubrick, how he kind of does that. What is the secret of the off-kilter acting? And the casualness, they're getting the sandwich and the spaceship and all they know is this thing's been around. There's some magic to that film for sure. I think it's a wonderful life.

I don't know why, but even if I bring this up in casual conversation, I get choked up. He's back. He's back. We're talking about, it's a wonderful life. Talking about movies. It's where they, that his life, the angel, he sees what it'd be like if he wasn't born, and then he's euphoric and the townspeople show up and someone says to his character, people show up and someone says to his character, we heard George Bailey was in trouble. That always stuck with me.

We heard, and I've always teared up about that when I bring it up. You don't have to tear up now. I could, a little bit. You are. There's something about that, you know, so what about you? I'm just, what movie?

Yeah, start crying. What scared you the most besides Tommy Boy? Did you see the, did you see the exorcist? I did see, you know what? I saw the exorcist when I was young and I thought it was stupid. And then I watched it.

You got scared later? Yeah, I got scared like a year ago when I watched it. I was like, oh my God, that is so scary. I didn't think it was scary as little. I would never watch that. How old were you when they saw it? I was like six and I was like, this stupid little guy with my spinning head.

That's, that's interesting. Waiter. Dana, ask him about, I will ask him. Cause I'm too embarrassed. Ask him when he did that audition, which he's probably talked about for Ted Lasso, did you film it alone in your room?

I have to hear every goddamn detail. It's so funny. Well, just set the table for your writer on Ted Lasso. There's a part when you're thinking maybe I'm right. Writer on Ted Lasso. I love it. I know you've probably told us- It's the best thing you've ever done.

Embellish it this time, but let's get some detail. Give us extra. I will give you, I'll give you one extra detail I don't usually give. We're writing it. I get the thought that I think I could do Roy Kent, but I know not a single person in the room is thinking that, everyone.

And I know that if I say it out loud, everyone will be like- Embarrassing, I love it. Embarrassing. You know, it would be good for this. Yeah. That's how you start. If I can't find know, it would be good for this. Yeah. That's how you start.

If I can't find anyone, I don't think we can find you. You know, he's actually super talented. You know, what if he has really big eyebrows? Just a thought. I'm going to get out there. I'm going to get out there. Anyway, I wait till we finish writing and then I make a self-tape. What I did with the self-tape, I went to Mosaic,

which is my manager's office and they like do- Oh, in LA? Yeah, yeah, it was in LA, so that's where we were. Oh, okay. And you know, I don't know if you've done this, but they have like, whoever the assistants are at the time, they can read in with you and they can- Oh, right.

So I did my scenes with this Norwegian guy who was like an intern. So the scenes I'm acting with Keely in the original self-tape, it's me going like, Keely and Keely's like, hello. And it's like. He's like, dude. And not even an actor.

Yeah. A sort of deadpan Norwegian man was playing Keenan. And I recorded five scenes and I flew back to England. Like I finished my contract and I flew back to England. And when I got on the plane, I sent Bill Lawrence the tape. And I said, thanks for everything. I said, look, I've been thinking I could play Roy Kemp, but I appreciate that no one's thinking this. This is really embarrassing.

If this is shit, I will never ask you about it. We can pretend this never happened. But if this is good, here's the tape. And then when I landed, it was like an overnight flight. When I landed, I got a email saying, this is fucking awesome. I'm gonna send it to you. Oh, really? Wow. Well, I want to have a question a email saying, this is fucking awesome. I didn't send it. Oh, really? Wow. Well, I want to have a question about about

this, because the character that you play in like, we're getting to know you now. So you really did like the body language is so funny and interesting of Roy Kent. Yeah, you know, and also obviously you went lower, a little more gravelly, and he's an Alpha Alpha type character. Did you have that in the audition tape or did that evolve as you got on the set? I think I had the posture in the tape because I knew he was all based on a load of things, but I knew he was a guy who had been told since little shoulders back, head forward, like he'd been told that.

And that he was leading, like he's ready to headbutt someone at all times, so he's leading. But the voice, the voice was like halfway there in the, in the self-tape, I think. And they wanted you to play it up. No, I just felt right once I was there with... Once you're sort of faced with... It's funny because I've done this tape with a Norwegian guy in a room, but then suddenly there's 20 men and you have to be... Super, yeah.

Oh, tougher. Dominant. Yeah. 20 men and you have to be super, yeah. Oh, tougher. Dominant. Yeah. So what was the line? I mean, what did he say? Something had to happen.

I think it was in the audition tape and in the show, or I'm gonna start punching something. Yeah, silence or I'm gonna start punching dicks. And how would Roy, you don't have to do the carry. You want me to do it? I'm like, you're impressive of it. You're very good at it. I don't know. I don't know.

Now you got me on the spot. I use that line when I'm waiting too long at Cheesecake. We're going to be silent in here. I'm going to start punching dicks. Punch your dick. Line them up. You're a fucking dick. So you get to swear.

Balls are next. I remember Sandler did a movie, sorry, with Paul Thomas Anderson. I go, God, you're so good at that. He goes, Carvey, I got to swear. So fun. So you're yourself, you're on the phone. What the fuck? And so your character, how many swear words per episode? Are you allotted? Someone did count it. I think it's in the hundreds. It's in the hundreds because it's season. You got It's in the hundreds per season. You got a real anora on your hands.

What about, do you swear in your standup? I don't even remember. Yes, I do, yeah. Oh boy, ooh. I found that interesting when I started doing gigs in America, like smaller gigs, when I was first coming out here, and they'd be like,

do you have a clean set? And I was like, what's a clean set? That's so true. We don't have that division in England. It's just standard. Everyone's dirty. Yeah, but it's also like, what do you mean a clean set? Isn't this an adult evening out?

Right, but some clubs want it clean. That's funny. Or some headliners, when I used to open a middle, they'd say, keep it clean. And I'm like, huh? So I always sort of looked at a clean tip because you're also eyeballing doing letterman or doing a late night show and you had to be clean. So your manager would say, you're wasting it because you can't do that bit. And I'm like, right.

With the level of what you can do on a late night talk show is kind of, but so what's the, as far as your special coming out, what's the, what's the bit that is the bluest we call it blue. Uh, I've got five minutes, five minute bit about the sea wedge and how America is scared of it. Oh, Brett. Oh, my mom just called. She goes, Oh, you don't need that.

We know. We know that about. Doesn't like my own act. I like Dana. He's he's clever. He's fine and cheerful. Oh, you know, come on. You're clean. You're clean. You're clean. Dana. Um, for the most part,

there's certain there was there's certain jokes that's kind of, you know, where the punchline is fuck you or use this fuck. And then I go, okay. And Jerry Seinfeld doesn't like that. Try to rewrite it when you don't need the word, you know, what do you need it for? Was that Seinfeld? Seinfeld with a little garbo in the back. With a fucking Eeyore. Yeah, we also both do corporate gigs, me and Dana.

And when they say do an hour, do 45 minutes and keep it clean, that's another way we work. And if like I watch Dana on these, we do them together sometimes. He's not 100% clean, but you don't even notice it. The whole tone, the whole vibe is like fun. And it's really because they said, one guy told me, he goes, we just say that because Martin Lawrence did 20 minutes on eating pussy. And I'm like, oh, OK, well.

We get where the line is. That's where the line. OK, I get. So somewhere under. Yeah, I got. But that we get where the line is. That's where the line. Okay. I get so somewhere under. Yeah, I got it. But that's what they're fearful of. Something happened once where people complain and you go, I got it. You won't even notice I'm dirty. It's like so goofy. My goal is to get them to laugh at minutia that's been wound down into madness and get them to go with that for an extended period of time. And that's its own sort of pornographic, you know.

I mean, you must have bits in your act that maybe you get more laughs than you think they deserve or less laughs or ones that you think are the most challenging for the audience in the sense of how abstract they are or, you know, everything is all the above. That's very interesting. I guess, yes, there would be stuff I wouldn't do

if it were a corporate gig for sure. And I, but I still am like, I think I just fundamentally object to the idea of here is 200 adults in a room. And because it's corporate, they don't want anything rude. Like, can they handle it? It's like, yes, you can handle it. Children. I'm like, but there's still people I think they'll probably really enjoy it. I do. Yeah. I want to do 10 minutes on eating pussy. I do get. Yeah. I get that. Everybody has that bit. We've all got that. The audience wants it on bridle. But there's always Pete, there's the CEO, the company, and then there's the

people who've been hired. And so they just don't want to offend one person, but the audience, by and large, they're adults in America in 2025. What if they haven't heard, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's about people complaining, getting sued and saying, I was so offended. I was shaking. It's like, Oh, because of Brett's filthy act? Who cares? I couldn't stop thinking about eating pussy after that court.

I couldn't stop. I couldn't start doing it again. It's not too late to drop in a bit, go to the comedy store and just insert it into your special and just say, I don't know why I thought of this, but. When you tape this, which I think is out now. April 26th, I believe believe so I think it's out now because we don't know what day it is today oh oh we don't know what day it is sorry um I think

it's out 20 23 anyway we'll see yeah but Brett is there did you I just did mine and all you want to do is have one of your best crowds I mean mean, they're obviously coming to see you, but the cameras sometimes throw people and it turns into a pretty good crowd. Yeah, how was yours? Tell me, tell me the three. Mine was, I did two. I did the same kind of thing to one night. I think when you're Sandler, and you've got an almost unlimited budget, he was just taping almost everywhere he went, small, big, really thought out. He pictured like a movie and I think PTA was involved in one of them and maybe the Safdies.

So he's got a lot going on and a lot of fun and it's fucking great. So I'm doing the more common two a night. But yeah, I went to Denver, which is a great comedy town. And I did come out, the last one I did, the crowd was tougher, but they were masked. And I wasn't sure of that. And when I went out, they sounded muffled, which was a good-

Can you know they were wearing masks? You know what, they said we can do it in Minneapolis. Austin says no. And they said Netflix isn't agreeing to do it with Austin because of the parameters, but the parameters were they wouldn't wear masks. And I didn't know what the parameters were. I go, oh, but we can still do it.

They go, yeah, we'll just do your next gig in Minneapolis. We'll just sell two shows. And then I was so in the zone about my own shit. I was like, oh no, cause the opener wasn't doing as well. And I'm like, do not give me a rough crowd tonight. Please God. Yes.

And so that was, but this one was obviously unmasked and super fun. So I got lucky. Also you have two shows that people don't know. You're sort of combining the two shows. Sometimes you use most of one because sometimes you just hit one way better. What did you do?

More of a combination? Well, I had that experience. I, everyone had said to me, oh, your special crowds are just, they're so up for it, it's going to be amazing. And then that first crowd, you can tell, right? You can tell by the one joke. One joke.

Announcement. Yeah. Yeah, anything. You just walk out. By the cheer. Yeah. And that first, there was so much stuff and there was so, you know, wires everywhere and there's stuff in the wires. Camera's pushing around.

Yeah, and I think it does throw them. And like the seven o'clock's quite early, you know, and that was the first show in. A little early, they're not drunk, they're just wide-eyed. Yeah, and I did the offstage thing and they went, yay. And I thought, uh-oh. All you got was a yay. Well, I think it was like a me. Yeah And I thought, uh-oh. All you got was a yay. I think it was like a...

Yeah, I know. That's funny. Also, they bring them in a little earlier for that early show. So they're sitting forever. I don't think there's booze. They don't want to see booze. I mean, unless you specifically ask for these things. And then they're seated with the technical issues. They can't get up, use the bathroom and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, I never have shot one that I felt was anywhere near the sets I did before that. But- Practice set.

The late show was excellent crap. Then I was like, okay, we're good. We've got something with it. I mean, listen- Do you use most of it? They were really good. They were both very good. I'm very grateful to all of them.

Yeah, of course, I'm grateful anyone shows up. When I did a show in Minneapolis, when I toured, and that was the best crowd I've ever met. See, that's why I said that'd be a good one. What theater were you in? The Guthrie? Was it Paramount, maybe? No, that was Denver.

I'd have to go with my calendar. They do have a specially great crowd. No, we'll give you 20 minutes. Could you give me 35 minutes to do that? Two thirty five. I love when you said you wrote Ted Lasso in LA. I pictured you in a castle in England. Anything in England, I feel like it's a castle.

Anything with a British accent seems smarter, more sophisticated. Yeah. You know, we've seen all your movies all these years. I always tell Dana, if I'm famous, I'll go over there. But I went there for one day and I wasn't too sure. We went for grownups that movie and we all went over there and stayed at the Soho.

What's up? There's a gig in London that's the best gig in London called Always Be Comedy. The man who runs that gig, James Gill, he is obsessed with you, David Spade. I'm telling you, off camera, I might hit you up and say, hey, tell me about this thing, and I might go do it sometime.

He can't believe I'm doing this podcast. He's so excited, and he said, get him to do my gig. You will be very famous in that room. Took you 44 minutes to get to this pitch, but thank you and I might hit you up. So unblock me and I'm gonna hit you on Instagram. And then all my messages flood through once you unblock me.

I'm like, dude, I just saw you in the parking lot, the improv. Say hello, why did you drive away as I was chasing after you waving? I really just have to look at my act like, you know, you might because I didn't get a chance to hear your whole hour, obviously, but I have to wonder the big subjects work overseas politics, marriage, relationships. And when I look at my act, I've got to see what I have to throw out because I just don't know, you know?

Well, also, but there's much more, everything's fucking everywhere right now. Like I think the stuff you're scared wouldn't work, would work. I should just try it and see what happens because I'll blame them. Everybody looks at Daily Mail because it's crack cocaine for a brain. They sift through the

commercials and try to look at an article. By the way, do you have enough money for Daily Mail Plus? It's a real question. Dana, they just added a plus. It's $1.99 and I told them they get fucked. Okay, flights on air Canada. How about Prague? Ooh, Paris. Those gardens. Gardens. Um, Amsterdam. Tulip Festival. I see your festival and raise you a carnival in Venice. Or Bermuda has carnaval. Ooh, colorful.

You want colorful. Thailand. Lantern Festival. Boom. Book it. Um, how did we get to Thailand from Prague? Oh right, Prague! Oh boy. Choose from a world of destinations, if you can. Air Canada, nice travels. To support sustainable food production, BHP is building one of the world's largest hot ash mines in Canada.

Essential resources responsibly produced. It's happening now at BHP, a future resources company. So by the way, you're doing a movie with with Jennifer Lopez currently, right? Yes. Yeah, we're filming at the moment. Yeah. You know what it's called? I do. You tell me. It's called Office Party. Office romance? Office time. Office? Yeah.

It's called Office Shmoffice. Meet you at the office. What's it called? Meet you at the office. It's called Office. Yeah, so is it a rom-com? Be honest. It's a rom-com.

It's a big ol' school rom-com. Be honest. It's a rom-com. It's a big, full rom-com. So this is you stepping outside the lines unless you wrote and produced this film. No, I did co-write this with Jo Kelly. And do you play Roy Kent in this? This is a lot of people are asking. No. Okay. He plays Ted Lasso. I play Keely Jones in this one.

Lasso. I play Keely Jones in this one. Shalo in my brief encounters with her is quite sweet and funny. Is this true? She's so funny. She's always very funny and she's a brilliant comedy actor. Like, when you see her live, I'm like, fucking hell, you're good at this. Like she's a really, really good comic actor. So you, wait, you just said you wrote it with your friend, is that what you said? Yes, Joe Kelly. And so you get that, get up on its feet.

And then you figure out who's the leading lady, who's the rest of it where you shoot. That's all, you're in on all that? That's great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We wrote it on a train whilst making Ted Lasso. leading lady, who's the rest of it, where you shoot. That's all, you're in on all that? That's great. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We wrote it on a train while I was making Ted Lasso.

We sort of had the idea. Did you think of calling it office train? We did. We thought of calling it office station. Yeah, you could all do it. It could all be played on the train. How did you try to make it spin? How'd you spin it?

Cause it is a genre. What's the sort of rough pitch? Yeah. The hook is I suppose, I can't tell you much, but I can tell you the aim is, it's like a really proper, classy, old school rom-com, like a Nora Ephron type film, but with hard, hard jokes. Oh, okay.

Oh, good, good. That sounds- Any aliens? And aliens. Okay, good, that's another good hook. Is it too late for David to do a nice little cameo? He walks in. What about the guy that steals the girls?

That part taken? That's me, dude. We've shot this stuff. What else could you bring at this very late space? That's it. That's my only move. The good looking dashing dude runs in and she glances at me and sprints toward me. Hey, this dude, I didn't know about this guy. He was on the planet. Bye bye. So I think Romcom with R rated is interesting.

I can't really think of one. So I like that idea. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds more real. Yes, hopefully. I think it's gonna be good. I like that.

Yeah. So of your two children, Ted Lasso and Shrinking, which one's your favorite? Get off my couch. Get off my couch, Chewy. I'm not Chewy, I'm Greg. You're Chewy to me. I'm Eric.

That's Harrison Ford if you don't know. I love that show and I love Harrison Ford in it. He's my wife. I know. I know. I know it. He's my wife. That's my wife. You can't see our shaking fingers. That's a big part. I know. No one gets mad like Harrison Ford.

He's so good, man. My wife. That's my big sister. Chewie, your tics got in my soup again. Chewie, get me out of here. Shut the fuck up Chewie. He should be Chewie-do like Scooby-Doo, like a collab. So we're entertaining Brett.

Chewie had sex with Scooby. Oh, I guess I'll give up. I don't know where you're going or where you want. Where you're going to play Hercules potentially. You did a cameo and now you're in the Marvel universe. Well, I mean, Gun to Head, I can't say anything, but at the same time, I think that's probably it on that one.

Okay. I like Gun to Head. Cause I thought what's the difference between Hercules and Roy Kent? One is a Greek God and the other one is a hairy guy from Tito. Tito, bro. That's a good answer. What is it called? What's your favorite soccer team called? Tottenham or something?

Tottenham, yeah. How do you know that? Who have you been speaking to? He's a researcher. called Tottenham or something? Tottenham, yeah. How'd you know that? Okay. Who you been speaking to? I did talk to my soccer buddy, Bobby, and I said, because I have a Tottenham shirt. Oh, do you?

Yeah, I don't even know why, but oh, he gave it to me. And so I wear it, and if people ask me one question, I fall apart. So I just like to puff up. Is Brendan Hunt dating Hannah Waddington? He's reading that off the internet? He's dating Rebecca. Oh, Rebecca.

That's right. No, no. Hannah Waddington's a real name. Is Brendan Hunt dating Rebecca Waddington? No. Do you mean, hang on, what's the question? I don't know. He doesn't know, he's reading the internet or something.

I'm looking, I've got, well, who's the, who's the bad apple in the bunch in that cast? In Ted Lasso. Oh, he's the difficult one. Now you said in Ted Lasso, is that what you're saying? Yeah, who's the bad apple in the cast? There genuinely isn't one, and I know that's an annoying answer, but like, I don't think. Who's the bad apple in the cast? There genuinely isn't one. And I know that's an annoying answer, but like, I don't.

Who's the most difficult to work with? Go ahead. Dana on this podcast is the most thought of us two. Juno Temple is coming back to play Keely. Oh, right. It's coming back. Right. That's correct. Yes, I believe so. Guns ahead. Is there a girl. It's right. That's correct. Yes. I believe so. Guns ahead. Is there a girl named Keely on the show?

Yes. Keely, yeah. And there's someone named Keely? She's the love interest. There are people in the world called Keely, yeah. I don't know. Is that a common name over there? There's not one person here named Keely. Really? You have no Keelys?

Zero. We got a couple of Keelys. Yeah, you got too many. Were the negotiations tough to get the cast to come back or were you guys locked into a certain salary already? We had all signed contracts in the early days, you know, forever and ever. So they pick up? Yeah, I think so. That's good. Makes it easier.

Yeah. Saves time. How long did you do Just Shoot Me? How many years was that? That was- It falls in your court. Well, we did six as a mid-season replacement, they call it out here, and then we went straight through.

The old days was 22 episodes a year. So we did about a little over six years. My God. 148. Did you- I love it. It went over there, right? Is that what you saw it over there? Yeah, I saw it in England. Love it, love it. Did you, there, right? Is that what you saw it over there? Yeah, I saw it in England. Oh, I love it, love it.

Did you, what was your trajectory on that show in terms of enjoyment? Did you always enjoy it? Was there a bit in the middle where you were like, I've had enough of this, and then you enjoyed it again or what? No, you know, I came from SNL and it was options like Dana said,

you could do your own show like the David Spade goofy sitcom. But I had seen that if it didn't work, all your heat's gone. They don't give you another try. So it was an ensemble, a writer from Larry Sanders, Steve Levitan, and a good cast. And the network already liked it. I joined. They added me to a shot pilot.

So we reshot it and added me cause NBC was a little fuzzy on, they were on the, you know, back and forth with it. So I got added to it and I liked it the whole run. I have to say that it was one of the most fun runs because everyone, they were writing for me, which that's now was not exactly the case. They did in some, but you were sort of in charge of it. And then you've got everywhere you go as

good people, like on your show, I'm sure. And that's always more fun. And then also it was a little easier than SNL, the hours. And it was immediately in a top 20 or top 10. And we were in a heyday of Seinfeld and ER and Will and Grace and Friends and Frasier. And so we, we were at least in the vicinity. We weren't those shows, but we were with them on the lot with them. And it was just all fun to see just a good run. I loved it. We, and the last thing, and then I'll let you talk at the very end is, um, we had done, everyone had had something in their career was good and bad.

And so everyone was really happy to be there and lucky and appreciated. And I think some shows people get cocky because it's their first show and it works. And so they get sort of out of control. But we were like, every year we got picked up, we're like, this is so great. Because it could all go down to shit. Everyone knew it. What was your last day like? Tearjerker, of course. Balling.

Um, if I knew we were going to do it again in a year, that would have been fun for me. Yeah. But, um, I guess yours isn't really a reboot because it's sort of just keep going. Right? Yeah. There's been a big gap in the movie. Don't tell us any secrets. But you got Bill Lawrence, who's great.

He coaches the women's team, that got out. Ted does, so it makes it sort of puts a spin on it. He's not nodding or shaking his head. He's giving us nothing. Mm-hmm. I've got a gun. I've got a gun to my head, remember? I know, I think this is,

the good thing on Marvel also is, they don't even say when they're releasing their movies anymore. It's smart They say we did a big one last week. You guys missed it. We're like, yeah, you're too secretive about What else for this young man day and I know you had a lot but we got to let them go and we appreciate you By the way, Brett, you're shooting a movie you come in on the weekend. You help us out We wanted to talk to you for a while, so thank you very much. Very cool.

I appreciate you both very much, and I'm genuinely grateful I got to hang out with you. This is very cool for me, so thank you for your time. I want you to see me in better lighting, but that'll be, you know. It's fun to see someone on TV playing a character, you know, and then meeting you like this. It's just interesting,

because all I knew was that character. So I see why you won the Emmys. Compliment alert. Good job. Compliment alert, sorry. Back to back is a super compliment. But anyway, your podcast, films to be buried with. You know, you've got-

If you're ever bored and you have time, you should both come and do it one day. I would love to have you, but no pressure. There's nothing worse than being asked to do a podcast. You're off the hook. But if you ever want- Well, I'll do that one in a second. I could talk about movies all day long, you know?

But I want to know the movie before we go for you that moved you the most. Well, I talk to like ET, I find traumatic. Like I cried the most. I remember my dad taking me and my sister, there was like a re-release of ET and I was three, four, I don't know, four, five. He took us to see ET at the cinema anyway. He's like, you're gonna love this. And we were crying so much that I remember turning to him and saying, why have you brought us to this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what is this? This feels like abuse.

This is not, there's no fun here. I'm devastated. It is pretty rough. If you're younger, I love ET. I'll be right here, I love the right. I have the same build as you. You know, Brad, not the point. My special. I talk about it.

We got two years of all movies. It's so random. You say that. But that one did kind of rough me up too. I get it. I mean, those movies like that or like Bambi when you're not ready for the beginning part and you're like, why on who cleared this? You know what my friend, Roisin Conaty, if you don't know, she's a fucking brilliant

comedian in England and she's her father died. And she once said to me, you know, you Disney always has these films where the parent dies and things like that. And, and people say it's good for kids because it teaches them about death. She said that when her dad died, not for a second, did she think, well, thank God I saw that. No shit. That's a really funny line. You're like, Hey, your, your mom might die when you're 70, but we'll let you know what it feels like when you're six. Yeah, that, that was cruel. All right, buddy.

I would say, yeah. You're doing good. I don't know if you need any more plugs other than your specials out, shrinkings coming season two, Ted Lasso season four, uh, and everything else. Your podcast, how you find time to do it? Do you guys do more than one a day or you stack them? No, I just do it. I do it. I don't like free time. Oh, you like to keep it busy.

I get deep, deep darkness if there's any space. So I just fill it up. Got it. Huh. Well, that's a whole other podcast. We'll have you back next year. Yeah, exactly. Anyway, it's a... Sorry, I think about that Yeah, exactly. Anyway, it's been a pleasure. I think about that through the time. Anyway, lovely to see you guys. Hey, great.

Death and darkness coming soon. He's severely depressed, but Ted Lasso is coming out. Jason Sudeikis will cheer you up. Anyway, it's been a pleasure. Tell Jason hello and good luck with everything with the movie. Thank you guys. Thank you for having me. We'll see you around campus.