Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Chelsea Handler

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

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Everyone I know is on the road. They always are like, we stayed in Airbnb and that's just a more common thing you hear all the time. Hotels are great, but come on. I mean, when you can just pick everything about it, you want like, here's my hotel today. They didn't even give me my breakfast. Like Airbnb, wake up, whip it up in your kitchen.

Yeah, and get a kitchen, get a pool, whatever you want. And it's all custom and you just go online and you see how it's rated and what people like. And so I guess I'm gonna say it's just freedom. Yeah, listen, you got more space, more privacy. You can be closer to where you wanna be. Yeah, I was staying at really nice hotels that I like in this area that we would go to,

and then we found like a little house. So you kinda had a house, you know? And it was spotlessless and you just drive up and you get the key out of this thing, you go in and there's a bottle of wine and a note and it's just a great experience. Yeah, the people don't have to, I don't think, but they always seem to put little extras in there for you.

For your next adventure, people listening, maybe give it a try. They won't regret it. You make the switch from traditional hotels and let us know. Our guest today is Chelsea Handler. The one of a kind, Chelsea Handler. Chelsea Handler.

Friend of the show. I've known her for a while. I used to see her up into her house. We had a friend's night over there once. She's very, well, I would say quite wealthy. Yeah, I think that's a, well, I would say quite wealthy. Yeah. I think that's a safe assumption. I would say so. She started, potentially she started this sort of genre, Chelsea, lately

on E. Her with like five comedians that are not especially famous at that moment. And they do become famous from the show and she leads it. So that she's kind of a, I'm going to call her trail blazer. Whoa, okay. She's a pistol. She says what's on her mind. She doesn't hold back. Very true.

She's traveling comedian also. She does a lot of things, but she sells out some big venues. And when she goes on the road, I think I saw it at Caesar's Palace years back and does a good job also as a book out. I'll have what she's having. She also has a special out. The feeling.

The feeling. Yeah. Oh, also I gave her an idea for her next special, a title. We talk about how to name specials. We talk about her dating life. She's pretty easy about answering anything. She is oh so single, doesn't wanna get married, but she does, we will talk about her current boyfriend

who she described as a mountain man who lives in the mountains and she goes and visits her mountain man. That was an interesting chunk. Possible boyfriend, I'm not sure how she describes it, but a guy she does hang out with. And this is a world of people hang out with people. Yeah, and this is what you're gonna hear us hanging out

with Chelsea. And we- Well, not in that way, but yeah. Our over-talk rate was pretty decent. 3.4 per 10 seconds of chatter. Per milliliter, yeah, we did pretty good on that. And I think you'll enjoy it. Let's get her going. Oh my God, penises! Hi, my two penis-faced buddies!

I don't know. I saw Chelsea recently, Dana, at a little backyard get together. Oh. Remember I came over here on the couch, I said hi. Was it at Ted's house? It was at Gervitz's, our manager. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. That was a really fun party. Apparently I left that party too early.

I heard it went all night long and that you got on stage and sang. No, you know what, that was the idea. There was, it was going to be, people would sing. But by the way, I got there at seven because everyone was a little older. So I got there at seven going, oh no, no one's gonna be there yet.

And then people are leaving. I go, wait guys, this is, I'm the old guy, but I wasn't the oldest guy there for once. And then Dana, I don't think he went to that one, but after about nine, it was kind of slowing down. And then I go, are they gonna sing? And they're like, no, they did a birthday cake. And then they go, and then his daughter sang,

remember that Chelsea? Yeah, yeah. Lovely song. And then I said, I guess that's it. And they go, no, Eddie's not gonna sing. And I go, oh, I thought we were all gonna sing. Okay, so I leave and then about two hours later, Sam was like, you're up.

And I'm like, I'm up, I'm in bed. I don't know, are we doing this? And did you go back? No, he's too far away. It was an hour. Right, exactly. There was a lull in that party after about two hours. And that's when a group of people left. I didn't know that we

were supposed to stay and things were gonna, you know, there was going to be an act too. So I also I was, we may as well have left together, David. David, like we've done so many nights of our lives. So many times. And I liked it because the party was fun, but it felt like a long party. And it felt like there's a cake. And we weren't really bailing out. It many times. And I liked it because the party was fun, but it felt like a long party and it felt like there's a cake and we weren't really bailing out. It was just like, I thought they were trying to say scoot,

you know, cause it's probably 30 people love. Also, I feel like, cause then tight, if that was a sneeze, Dana, I also feel like, I feel like LA is so lame. You know what I mean? Like no one is out at till nine. I mean? Like, no one is out till nine. I mean, that's what time everyone goes to bed.

Every party ends earlier. It's just, it's almost like, it's so hard to even go out because the scene is kind of just so subdued. So many people are sober. It's just not what it used to be. I'm gonna just throw that out there. I'm just gonna throw that out there to Throw that out there to talk about it.

Explain to me as a fellow human being why anybody in their right mind would go to a Hollywood party. Isn't it the most hideous? I mean, I like four people at your house for dinner. I'm not gonna book it. That would be nice. Five, one conversation is happening. But the small talk Derby, what's up with Chelsea? What's going

on? Oh yeah. You know, God, I don't know how you guys deal with it. Well, when it's hours of that and you keep walking to the same people all night, you don't want to say the eighth time you see them. Yeah. And it's also like, you have to question why you're at parties. Like what's your motivation? Why are you, why am I here? Like, am I promoting anything? Like, why am I going to an Oscar party?

I'm not nominated for an Oscar. Why am I at the party? Like, I always am like, no, it's a, you know, you gotta show up once in a while to like refresh people's memories. But I find LA to be, I wish, I wanna have a place in New York. That's going to be my goal. I think that's a little bit, it's too unhealthy. Like I'm becoming almost

elderly in this lifestyle. Whenever I'm here, which isn't frequently, I come back home and like last night I was supposed to go over for friends for dinner, which was the kind of event you're describing or dinner you're describing Dana, which is actually sounded really nice, but even getting in my car and I am in a compromised situation because I just had some surgery. So, you know, it's not fun. I can't drink. I can't really do anything. But I was going to get in my car and go over there. And I was like, I don't think so. I don't think I would rather just sit here and watch mindless television and sleep as much as I can. I think I overheard one of you lesbians saying that you slept for 11 hours last night.

I did, yeah. Wow, wow. Did you masturbate to get yourself to sleep? No, but I woke up and I had completed the task and it was like, what the fuck was I dreaming? Yeah, you can do it in your sleep. Oh yeah. So who started that? What I meant was the movement front in the standup world with women, females,

whatever you prefer. And it seems to me that Joan Rivers made a turn where she really was more incendiary than the sixties Joan. And then there's this continuum of female standups just saying what they want. And I put you in that, you're like the leader kind of, in a way. There's younger ones coming, I don't know.

I mean, when did standup term for women wear squirting jokes and stuff like that could come out? Who started that? Who started that? Who started that? Yeah, I don't know. I think it's like a rush of, it's like a wave, if you will, no pun intended, of a wave of squirters talking about squirting and women, you know, the more, listen, we're all talking about the same stuff.

When you break down standup comedy, you're talking about your personal life, your relationships, your relationship to drugs and alcohol, you know, it's all the same pitter patter of ideas. And it's just like, how does your execution vary? So I guess if you, you know, the more women that are talking about this, the more accepted it becomes by nature. And there are more female comics than there've ever been. But I don't know when it started. I mean, Joan certainly paved the way for all of us, I can say that. I didn't really realize that until she was dead. You know, like I was like, no, I paved the way for myself.

I had an arrogance about my own success. Like Joan Rivers wasn't somebody I had looked up to. And then, you know, when I did my homework and grew up a little bit, I realized how, what she went through and like, you know, going to the comedy clubs, like women didn't even get on stage without being like, you know, they would get on stage as characters,

like housekeepers or, you know, maids or like, you know, just like, Oh, it was kind of a character. Yeah, right. And Joan was like being herself and dressing up and going to these gross comedy clubs. I mean, we all know how gross comedy clubs are. They are. That's where all disease begins.

And I, that's where the disease in my shoulder probably began. It's just presenting now. But yeah, she was a trailblazer, of course, which is an annoying word for some reason I find that annoying. I don't like when people call me a trailblazer either because I'm not out there with blazing trails. But I think that it's just good to see women succeed. It's good to see women being taken seriously.

And it's like the idea that women aren't funny is just so dumb. And I know both of you know that. But for so many men out there who really think that man, that comedy is just a men's game, it's been so insulting for so long that you just kind of turn off that noise. When I was doing, for instance, my first talk show, Chelsea Lately, I didn't pay attention to any of that

because I didn't go home at night thinking, what was it like to be the only woman in late night? Those were just comparisons that everybody else made. And I feel like if you spend too much time thinking about that aspect of it, it's taking away from your creative outlet anyway. You know what I mean? You should be creating, you should be doing your thing

and not looking around to see what your competition is doing. Cause I certainly didn't look at David Letterman and think I was in competition with him. You know what I mean? I wasn't, I was on the E network, you know? So that's what I think I have in competition with him. You know what I mean? I wasn't, I was on the E network, you know? So that's what I think I have to say about that. Making a buzz on the E network, even though he's on network,

but you're helping E get wider and more looked at, which is interesting. Also, when I go to the comedy store, every, you don't even blink, every other comic is female. I mean, everywhere you go, it's not even like, oh, you're not one of the comedians. You know how it used to be. You'd be like, wait, there's a female comic on the show tonight? It would be like Rita Rudner or something, you know, Paula Poundstone. But now there's so many. So it's great. I mean, listen, it's all if you got some game

and there's, they don't mention there's also bad male comedians. So it's not like all the guy ones are good and the females are bad. It's like, if you're good, you're good. And so you see a nice mix. I've seen some on Instagram that are funny. They just pop in my feed.

So, you know, when I was growing up, yeah, it was like the female comedian was referred to as they're saying they wouldn't say David Letterman, the guy, and that was more prevalent. This woman comedian and woman woman. I see less of that more than just comedian. And one thing's kind of cool about you is you produce the show for Whitney, right? I mean, you do a lot of producing of things and for other people. So yeah, I did at that time. Well, yeah. Whitney's show didn't really last too long, but we tried and then we produced a show for Ross Matthews. He wasn't really a production powerhouse at the time I was there. So it was really hard

to get. We did after lately, David, you were on that show with us, which was like a satire of Chelsea lately where I was just like a really exaggerated version of, you know, the country that I am. But we did, we did so much like, uh, what was I, what was I, where was I going with this? We did so much. Oh, yeah, it was really hard to get anything done at E with them being behind anything. They were just trying to assuage me because we had a hit show, so they'd be like, oh, you wanna produce this?

Great, go ahead. And then they'd be like, oh, it's not getting the numbers or whatever. But it was hard to get anything going on E. I mean, the Kardashians in my show were like, and I don't know, Saving Sunset or whatever, it's Selling Sunset. Saving Sunset or whatever it's selling Sunset. Saving Sunset.

I think that was later. You were really, you paved the way for shitty flip shows. Yeah, and he really took a hit after I left and the Kardashians left. And actually, I know this is probably coming out later, but I'm about to host the Critics' Choice Awards, which brings me back to E! this next Friday night, which is a full circle. I'm going back to my birthplace.

I love that show. When I first saw that show with you and the comedian stuff, it was one of the first lo-fi shows because Cable was still coming up and stuff. There are shows that do that now, but usually it was the band and the bum, bum, bum, you know. So it was very cool how lo-fi it was. And casual. It really stood out.

Yeah, it was very casual. If you're just funny, you don't need much. You need a camera, and then you got, and then people are like, oh, you don't need all this other noise because some of those shows, there's only just this much comedy and there's little pieces,

but those are harder what you're doing because it's just like turn the cameras on, let's just talk and we'll find things to talk about and it just blew up. And that's why I agree when you left, it was a big hit on there. But also, you know, like it was so much fun because you guys are from SNL, so you know about like ensemble. But what was so much fun about that show was that the from SNL, so you know about like ensemble. But what was so much fun about that show was that the casualness of it allowed us to like, just book my friends on the round table, you know,

so many comics that I didn't even know that I discovered on my own show whose careers have blown up, like, you know, Fortune Feimster or Joe Coy, like Kevin Hart used to be on the round table, like all these people. So that, and it was so unique in the fact that like, at the time anyway because everyone's ripped off that show now too. I mean David you'd be even ripped it off. But like

you and I don't believe ideas can be ripped off so I don't care anyway. But like putting comics together when you know you become a comedian essentially to stand on a stage with a microphone alone. Like it's the most probably narcissistic you can be. And so to put, to have comics, to have four comedians on a round table at the same time sharing space and actually having to listen to each other and riff off of each other was a joy

and also kind of unexpected because you don't see comedians interacting that much. No, Carson would in the early days, he'd have people stay out there. So you might seem Bob Hope and Don Rickles getting a fight or something, you know, but that went away and it was one guest, one out and then highly, highly organized with an outline of what you're supposed to get to in the commercial breaks. And so since your thing was, I hate this one of my least favorite words

was just authentic that when the comedians were riffing, you knew it was happening in real time. There wasn't a rehearsal. It's not a stand up. It's just ping pong, which made it really pop. So I see why it went on seven years. You can also do when I was doing David lately, which was not a ripoff. when I was doing David Lately,

Davy Lately, part of the fun, the hosting is kind of hard, but if you're dishing off, you're not doing all the lifting anymore. So you give someone a subject, and now you're just tagging what they say on their jokes, and then someone else jumps in. Now you're like, oh shit, if you get good people in there that can just bullshit like that,

then people just like to see like they're at dinner and you're just bullshitting basically. Yeah, and that's what's, you know, you hang out with comics all the time. Like the best things that happen are never being filmed. So you're like, oh, wouldn't it be great if we could film these conversations, which is essentially what that show became?

Right the green room basically, you know, right right it out bring it out front. So what? Well, I guess we should mention before we get a show in a way is you have a you have a book right coming out I have a book a book is called I'll have what she's having that comes out February 25th on my 50th birthday And then my special is called The Feeling. And that comes out on Netflix on March 25th, which is a month after my birthday. So I don't know when this airs, but you can just piece it together however you like. Perfect.

Yeah, so The Feeling is Netflix. So which, because I remember I came to see, is it possible I came to see you at Caesar's Palace once years and years and years ago? Did you ever play Caesar's Palace? Yeah I do. I actually, yes I used to play Caesar's Palace. Now I do a residency at Vegas where I perform once a month, which is how much time I'm willing to spend at Vegas. I perform once a month at the Cosmopolitan at the Chelsea Theater. So I perform inside myself. But I was at Caesars many years ago. Years and years.

Because I think it was during maybe your show and I think Brad Wallach, those guys were there. I think, I think, I think. How many specials have you done? Which one was this? I don't know, actually. Four or five, four or five. Probably five.

How did this one feel? Because I think it's very hard. I did a couple of they suck because I just, I, when you can know you have one, there was a technical issue and you have one shot and you've kind of worked on this stuff in little clubs and now you're in a barn with 1400 seats and three balconies. So how did this one feel like your experience of the other ones, what you want to land is like a feeling basically of how you're authentically your best self on stage, right? Not shooting a special in a sense. Well, you're well, no, I think you do treat it like you're shooting a special, but you're supposed to not, you're supposed to shoot two in a

in a row, David, Dana, sorry, David. I would need a nap. I'm too weak and old to do two in a row. Well, I mean, I guess so because that's how you don't screw it up. If you don't get what you want in the first set, then you know to get it in the second set. So somebody should have definitely told you that. No, it's all right. Or you can do two shows in two nights, more expensive, but you can do... Yes, right. of course, you can do that. Then topic-wise or material-wise, is there something that is a little surprising for your fans? This is just me asking off the top of my head,

like, are you stretching the envelope further in terms of honesty, because it's sort of your brand of like... Oh, I'm always honest. I'm always, you know. But you're even more honest. Well, yeah, I mean, these are some personal stories. I have some I have a really great Andrew Cuomo story in this special, a personal Andrew Cuomo story, because I was trying to get

penetrated by him during the pandemic. I remember that training that you were going to try to fuck Andrew. I remember I was going to be a live stream. I know I wanted to also live stream it and I wanted to do it for my country because he just felt so like we had leadership at a time where we were so dehydrated for it. But I have a really good story in there about that. I have a great George W Bush story going to Kenny Bunkport compound like on 40 milligrams of THC and having to interact with the president on a pickleball court, the former president.

Right. So there's a little, there's a lot of sharing. The feeling is actually a reference to something I did as a child to like at the jungle gym at school to get a certain feeling around my Pikachu area that a lot of nine year old girls did. And so that's a reference to that. I take you from my youth and to my adulthood and kind of telegraph the fact that I've always been this way. But yes, the special felt great.

You know, I'm at a point where I've done this for so long, I'm very capable and confident in what I'm doing. I don't have, I don't, I'm not worried, you know, about it. I, I, I'm like, you get to a certain point, I think in your career, as I, hopefully the two of you can also attest, you know, what you're, you got, you're still here because you got yourself this far. So like, you know what you're doing. You don't have to be in your head about it anymore.

At a certain point, you realize that's just such a wasted energy and that you're successful because of you. So just keep doing you. Dana, it's the season to shop new styles, electronics, and definitely a holiday trip. And what if each time you made a purchase, you got a little something back? With Rack-A-Ten, you can.

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if I get into a character or some idea. I like it to be kind of riffing, parse material and riffing. Right, right. But very hard with like 19 cameras. I don't know why they need that many. And then I get locked into doing my outline, like, okay, I've got to get to this next bit.

But if I was live, I go, oh, I'm going to go over here and do Anthony Fauci for 10 minutes. So- Oh, yeah, yeah. You can't do that during a special riffing. It would be very difficult to capture because you don't know. And you did 10 nights unless you did a lo fi crew and did 10 nights. But so our crowd work. That's tough.

Especially one thing I was just curious at your take on this hot take that this era of Netflix special and comedians playing stadiums and arenas and multiple nights of Madison Square Garden, I don't know exactly when it started, but it's a phenomena. And I don't know if one of our great female comics, sorry to put it in that box, has made that leap to arenas or Madison Square Garden,

or has someone done that? Cause that- Yeah, Amy, well, I've played Madison Square Garden or has someone done that? Cause that- Yeah, Amy, well I've played Madison Square Garden, but not the, I think I did the theater at Madison Square Garden. I've definitely done Radio City for multiple nights. Amy Schumer played Madison Garden, I believe. There's 20,000, 18,000.

Yeah. That's a big one. I mean, that's going to happen. I mean, Amy did arenas. I did an arena tour, you know at some point in my career I don't do arenas now. I do like Usually three to four thousand seaters, but like I mean it I think it's gonna happen You know, there's so many people coming up Taylor Tomlinson, you know, she sells tons of tickets Otsco Otsco

I mean, there's a ton. So yeah, I think it's also a choice You know some comics don't want to move to that level like it's there's a there's a ton. So yeah, I think it's also a choice. You know, some comics don't want to move to that level. Like it's there's a there's a level of intimacy. I remember dating Joe Coy and Joe Coy does arenas and I would go and do guest sets at his shows. And I'd be like, this is too many people. Like, how can you I have so many facial expressions and like subtleties. How can that be captured in such a big stadium or arena?

And I remember getting off stage being like, oh, it easily. So like you kind of have this attitude like, oh, I got to keep it intimate. But then when you're exposed to that kind of audience, you're like, whoa, this is fucking awesome. If they lock in, it's okay. Yeah, you need screens.

I would say. Yeah, there's always large screens. Okay, that works. Yeah, that can be. A lot of my jokes are very small. They're not even jokes. Actually it's not funny. None of my stuff is funny and so it's harder to play any room. That is difficult for you David as a comedian to not have funny material and or be funny yourself. It's a deficit. You do so well under with all that those

those problems of not being funny and not having funny material. I've been sometimes I do actually not on my own but when I play the bigger rooms with that Adam or something same thing it's it's harder because you see guys like in the in the hallways where you like it it's like at a concert where you see those guys those guys selling beer over here there's always someone talking there's always people yeah not everyone's ever focused at once. But if they're locked into you, like, if it's your crowd,

I see, I always say Nate Bragazzi. His crowd, he plays big places. And they're just waiting for like throwaway jokes, setup jokes. They're laughing at setups, and they're just like so intently listening. I go, that's the dream. Just get people like waiting for every fucking thing you say

instead of the big swings. You're like, yeah, but that would do. You know, you got to really sometimes to get everybody at once you go bigger. I don't know. Yeah. No, I don't think you do now, David. I don't think you do. I don't even know what's going on right now.

So what you're a busy human being entrepreneur. I'd like the word entrepreneur, even though I have no business. We have a correction. Five books now. You have this new book. Do really well. People go buy this book. I'll do a great question.

I you know what? If you're into me and you're into my stories and you're into my humor, go buy the book. If you're not, skip it. Like this is my seventh book, and my fifth or fourth stand-up special, to be determined, we still haven't figured that out. And I don't know, I like to hustle, you know what I mean? I like to do my own thing,

and I don't really like direction from people. So as long as I- You are an entrepreneur, you're in charge of your career. You're not someone for hire. You do the hiring. Right, right. Like I don't like to be, I have been hired for jobs,

but you know, historically I work best when I'm my own boss. So I do my podcasts, I do my specials, I do my books, I do my like, you know, TV stuff, but I try not to have a long-term position where anyone is giving me notes on anything. I would say the only time I've really not enjoyed show business is when I was working with people with different sensibilities and they had power over me. Yeah, that's the worst feeling.

You know, they're offering, I just want some advice for a sec. Like they're out there asking me, can I write a book? Just that you don't have to answer this in long form, but what's your advice, someone writing a book? I mean, did you talk into a tape recorder? Did you have a writer's assistant? Do you just start throwing stuff at the wall? Or how do you do it?

Didn't you, you have a book, Dana. I think I have your book. Don't you? He has one, I don't think. No, I didn't. Oh, maybe I'm thinking of your book, David. My book could be too dark. No one would believe it is the problem because I don't have that image.

Well, I think it's pretty, I mean, listen, I think as long as you're honest, for me, I just think honesty is a commodity. There's a lack of it. People are a little bit scared of honesty and like conflict and uncomfortable things. So I like to like kind of go ahead like headfirst into that stuff. And that works for me. And it's like whatever your point of view is, I think anyone can write a fucking book, especially like in our industry. Everybody does. So that should be your first, you know, barometer that you can do it. And your stories, the reason why they're yours

is because they're not believable. Like everyone's stories you could say that about. So I would say, I don't use it now. I don't use a writer's assistant. When I write my books, I do it all by myself and I just start writing. I sit down on a computer. Do you type it out?

Yeah, I type everything on a computer. Holy shit, damn. And then I have an editor look at it. And then when it's like shaped and it's in some sort of form, I'll start on a computer. And then I have an editor look at it. And then when it's like shaped and it's in some sort of form, I'll start sharing it with people. But usually I don't like too much feedback. Like I have like three or four people

whose opinions I respect. And then based on that, I'll be like, okay, like I'll go to them for the cover or the title, or, you know, like my editor named this book, I'll have what she's having. I was like, I'm not naming a book, I'll Have What She's Having about myself, that's so stupid.

And she's like, no, that's how you feel after reading the book, I'm telling you, you want what you're having. And I was like, okay. And then I had to think about it, because usually I was like, that's a little, but then I was like, yeah, you're right, I want people, that's what I want to inject people with.

It's like a little bit of optimism in sad, dark times. What about when Harry met Sally, where she says, I'll have what she's having? Was there any conversation of maybe not referring to a famous romantic comedy? That's part of the famous. No, that's part of the reference. Oh, that's part of it.

Yeah, so this is what you have to learn about books. It's kind of like, you know, we have a lot to learn, Deva. Yeah, we're that tight. We go by one name, Deva. But thank you. The only thing I'd be interested in for you is like, you're very honest, but then you'll get to a chapter or a point or a story where you, you're going to hurt somebody maybe. And you like them or you don't like them. How do you navigate that? Or you just, you know,

do you just navigate that a little bit? It's a judgment call. Should I bury this person at the party where they were drunk or keep it in, stuff like that. Well, you have to legally shroud people's identity unless they're a public figure. So like if I have my story about Andrew Cuomo, which happens to be in my standup special and in my book,

there's a crossover. It's two kind of different, like there's way more room for detail and everything in the book, but he's a public figure. So I tell like one version of that story in the book and I tell, I mean, it's the same version, but you know, different storytelling styles for standup for books.

But like for him, I don't have to ask permission because everything I'm telling is true for a friend of mine that I'm writing about who I Like who isn't a public figure that I'm saying something embarrassing or bad about like I have to shroud her Identity so that no one will read it and recognize who you're talking about. So sometimes it's like, I'll make up a character, I'll make a guy, a girl, or make, you know, you make them a different age, a different part of the world they live in, and blah, blah, blah, just to kind of shroud their identity. But that's what you have to do when you write books also. I've gotten all I need today. I have a question. This is your motivational talk for you guys this morning, for both of you, Deva. I have a question about your,

you don't like bosses at work, but do you like when you date someone, do you like to be bossed around? A boss in the bedroom? I mean, I like being sexually bossed around. I mean, no one's really gonna boss me around because that's just not gonna happen. You know what I mean? I don't have time for that. But I do like

sexually when somebody kind of tosses me around and tells me to shut up or like pushes my head down, you know, like playful sex. I like that. Into the wall. Did Joe Coy do that? Um, probably when I asked him to, you know, you got to kind of tell guys luckily these days that you want that and that you want to get to, you know, you gotta kinda tell guys, luckily these days, that you want that and that you wanna get, like, you know, so yeah, I'm sure Joe Coy was a little bit, you know,

trying to throw me around, I'm sure. Well also- Did you call him Joe Coy when you were- Yeah, you go, hey Joe Coy. During sex all the time, I go, oh my God, Joe Coy, Joe Coy, oh my God, Joe Coy, are you in? What's happening? I've never heard anyone just call him Joe, I think it's always Joe Coy, Joe Coy. Oh my God, Joe Coy, are you in? What's happening? I've never heard anyone just call him Joe.

I think it's always Joe. I didn't know that he didn't know how to spell Joe Coy. I thought Joe Coy, I thought J-O-K-O-Y was like his birth name. One name, like Madonna. And his name is actually Joe. And then Coy is a made up name. So, and then he combined Joe koi Joe koi So I don't know worked. Yeah

Yeah so what that was actually difficult when I was writing the book because there's a chapter about I talk about my relationship with Joe koi and I I'm a real big on spelling and grammar Like I find it to be a turn-on when also people pay attention to spelling and grammar. And so he spells his name J-O-K-O-Y and I had to spell it J-O-E and then K-O-Y and a space. I did. I couldn't spell it that way that he wants people to spell it just out of respect for myself.

It's not an actual name in the English language. J-O, I associate with a female spelling. Well, that's right. Women who are named Joe, it's J-O, and he's spelling his name like a woman. So I had to respect him because I know he doesn't present, he doesn't identify as a woman, so I wanted to spell his name correctly,

just by chance he might see it and learn how to spell his own name. Yeah. Well Joe Coy is just, yeah, it's whimsical a little bit. You know, I don't know, Joe, you know, Joe's like a Joe guy, you know, Joe. Joe Coy's an artistic Joe Coy. I wouldn't do it just because it's a female name. Like I would change, maybe he doesn't, maybe didn't know that. Joe from Little Women you're talking about? Yeah. There's not that many JOs out there. Did you guys have a competition? Like who's the better standup on their best night?

You or Joe Coyle? Oh, I would, well Joe's a great standup. I would never say that I'm a better, he's great. I mean, he is very good at what he does, so. It would help if you said you were better. I would never say that about any comic. I don't need to say that. He's powerful. Definitely. He's physical. He does a lot of voices of other. Yes. People around different comics. You'll say that that's actually. Yes,

completely opposite ends of the spectrum. Exactly. It would be like comparing an apple to a pineapple. To a typewriter. Thank you. Yeah. To a typewriter. To a Dyson. It would be like comparing a clean air, what is this called, an air doctor? We all have to get air doctors, right?

After the fires. It would be like comparing an apple to an air doctor. I think it would be like comparing a pretzel to the lunar module. Yeah. Yes, that's right. David, you're up. It would be like, no, I don't have any good ones of that, but I was saying that maybe Chelsea... The chemistry between the two of you is palpable. And I think the chemistry between the three of you is palpable. And I think the chemistry between the three of us is very intriguing as well.

So palpable is good? Palpable is yeah, something you can almost, you can feel it and you can touch it almost. When you date a guy, do you feel like you're a little intimidating or guys scared to ask you out, you think? Yeah, I think men are very disturbed by me, yes. I think that they- Disturb is not what I said.

I think they find me off-footing and some men really love me and that's nice, but I think as men in general, straight guys above a certain age are a little bit put off by me. I'm not trying to be intimidating or to turn people off. I just have that essence about myself. And I can't really- Well, it doesn't seem like you're out trying to be intimidating or to turn people off. I just have that essence about myself. And I can't really- It doesn't seem like you're out trying to turn them on

either. You're not like thirstily going after guys. You're just doing your own thing. When was the last time you had sex? Oh, just a few weeks ago. I have a mountain lover. I have a mountain man that I have sex with in my mountain house in Whistler, Canada, where I ski. So right now I'm in LA and usually in the winter time,

I have sex with a mountain man. And does the mountain man have a big burly beard and really husky? What is it? A lot of pears. What are you getting at? Yeah. He has a big, he has a beard.

It's not burly like what you're envisioning, but he has a beard. He definitely looks like he's from the mountain. You know what I mean? Is it Bert Kreischer? It is not Bert Kreischer. No, no. He has never been on top of me, inside of me.

I don't think he's been on top of anyone except for his own wife. So that's probably for the best. That's sweet. Yeah. That is, we're gonna spin that sweet. Well, you have a mountain man in a cabin. You've got a best-selling book about to happen.

Dial it in. You've got a special. I mean, what don't you have right now? A baby. I don't have a baby, thank God. So there's that, you know. I think about all the things that I don't have that I'm grateful that I don't have like a husband. I never wanted to be married.

I just find that idea. I can't believe you've never gotten married, David. Did you get married one time? I don't think so. Good for you. I just find that idea. I can't believe you've never gotten married, David. Did you get married one time? I don't think so. Good for you, like, for making that decision. Dana, what about you? Have you been married? It's hard to make that decision, to be honest.

You look weird. I was just born to be married. I've been married for 42 years. Oh, wow, congrats on that. That's nice. I guess so. That's why Dana and I have all the sexual tension between us.

I just had a really weird childhood, and I just, I would get, the walls would close in on me over time if I was just alone too much, you know? Right, right. So, if you, when you've had a great boyfriend and he's not, you're not married to him, and you're watching TV and you're having fun and you have your separate career in life, that's fun, right? Because you get to share stuff. It's fun, right? You don't have to get married though. Married people, you know. No, no, no, no. Yeah.

No, I'm with David. I mean, David and I probably have some similar dating habits. I like just to have an open field. And even if I am dating someone, it's very clear, like, this is not, you know, this is nice and everything, but there's not going to be any sort of long term commitment made ever. And that's not the way I roll. I don't think I've ever had that conversation. It's harder for guys to have that conversation. Bill Maher always says to me, everyone wants me to get married. I go, no one wants you to get married. We don't think it

cares. We don't. Married people don't think that you've all got to be married. I go, no one wants you to get married. You don't have to get married. Married people don't think that you've all got to be married. So, by the way. Especially Bill Maher. Like who's worried about Bill Maher getting married? Who? No one. He says, he says. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, well.

Dude, I go to Chelsea at things just to go laugh because she's always going to say something snipey and funny about somebody. It's fucking always funny. You're always good to, I think I've even been to your house. I don't know if it's that house. No, this is a new house.

You know whose house I fucking bought? RFK, RFK Jr's house is the house. And he and Cheryl Hines, I bought this house. I didn't know that they owned the house when I bought it, which would have been a huge- Did you take out the weight room? Why do you, I mean, I have an, I've had an infection ever since I moved into this house and I bought it, which would have been a huge. Take out the weight room. Why do you I mean, I have an I've had an infection ever since I moved into this house and I believe it's from him.

He's supposed to be a health guy and you got the worst. Look at this is from look at this bruise. It's from my I.V. I have to have a daily intravenous. Yeah, like I'm a rough obsession with mountain men with Joe. With Joe. I know. Yeah. Are Jokoi. I'm on antibiotics right now. Yeah.

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I did a benefit for the cardiovascular whatever and I think Ryan Streetcrest was on it, but it was a horrible environment and I went out there and it was pulling a tractor and I bombed and I came outside and I think you might have been smoking a cigarette. I don't even know if you smoke, but you seem like incredibly cool and confident and you sort of, you sort of went, how many of these do you do? In my mind, you were saying to me, why would you do this? I had the disease to please and say yes.

That's how I remember you and I thought you're very cool. Well, that's cute. Yeah, it's just cute. Chelsea, part of her attraction is she's very pretty, but she's very like kind of a tough chick that you have to, everyone feels like they have to win over because she's not easily like. She we're referring to you now, Chelsea.

She doesn't suffer fools. She doesn't suffer fools. I would not say. You got to throw something out of this decent because she's not going to, she's going to see right through you. But there's a hurt little girl in there somewhere and a vulnerable person behind that. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. Dennis Miller exterior.

There's a Dewey's, then a Menil, Crys and Moogies. A real softy. I think everyone has a- By the way, I like that she's texting during this. Anyway, we're giving all these compliments and you're like texting. I'm just texting, I'm texting the police. You're going, can we wrap this up?

So Sting is gonna be on the bucket. I have to say, here's two names for your next specials. Ready? Okay. One is more honest-er. That's not bad. Oh, that's not bad. I like that actually, more honest-er. I'm cute.

Because you're always honest, but you have another special. I've got one. Okay. I've got the balls. Okay. Okay. And here's one more.

So those are two suggestions. Yeah, here's one more. And one of them I like. I don't have a baby, thank God. That's right. It's not a bad one, because people are like, oh, I want to hear what that shit's all about.

You can never... I feel like, yeah, I feel like I've said that so many times that I like more honest though. That's a good one. I'm actually going to put that in my notes section, David. Two words, yeah. Two words, three syllables.

Mine was intentional. I was going through the worst title ever. So his is actually good. How about just Chelsea with an explanation point. She's already done that. Oh she's already done that. I've done it. Everything is named eponymously. She spun that name. I've used that name off I need a new fucking name. You know it's funny Whitney and Chelsea like there's a lot of the female comics you know them by one name.

You don't know me by date, you know what I mean? You are, everyone knows you by spade. Everyone goes by, you guys go by last names. Well, some of the girls do too. It's true, guys go by last names, yeah, it's true. Sandler, Rock, Spade, we even call each other that. Yeah, yeah, you do, that's right. Speaking of Hollywood parties, are you going

to Guy O'Seary's house tomorrow night, David? Oh, I'm not because I have a fucking casino gig. Oh dear. Well, I would love it. That's fun. I would like to see you there. I know. I was just going to say if you wanted to go with me, I'm my plus one, but you're, I can't believe, or as you're, you know, if you were going, but. Well, those are fun because he never says who's going and I never ask, I just go, I'll just go and see what's going on. But I, I were shooting, I'm shooting this independent

right now film and this is my first day off in a while. And I definitely wanted to do this with you because we, it's been hard to sort of organize, but then tomorrow I have to go to a show I had booked before I did this. So I am gonna miss it. I would like to do that. It's a fun night.

Well, I hope you have a great time at your casino gig. What city is that in? No one knows. Exactly. Those casinos are pretty tricky. They're fun though. And when you get there, they're not bad. With Nikki? Is it with Nikki?

With Nikki Glaser? No. No. No, we do a Vegas thing, sort of like Chelsea sometimes. And those are fun too. At least Vegas, you can stay up late, Chelsea. Yeah, I like to gamble. I like to play with like lots of money and gamble.

So I do my show. Usually I have a bunch of friends or family or whoever, like they come and they get a block of rooms. You know have a bunch of friends or family or whoever, like they come and they get a block of rooms, you know, we hook them up, they come out fly out with me and then we gamble. And I, you know, I love gambling. I love Blackjack. I love supplying everyone with money to gamble for people who don't have money to throw around. And I always start with a certain number and I always leave and I always, always walk out with more money. Like I am so lucky with gambling and I have made that casino.

I believe luckier. What do you play? Blackjack? What are you playing? Yeah. Miracle year. I just fucking said it. I have a fever.

I'm on antibiotics. I'm also on antibiotics with a fever, just FYI, okay? So stop your complaining. I apologize, I'm perfectly healthy. So you're on antibiotics? Yeah, intravenous. Look at this, you guys, I have a pick line in my arm. Holy shit.

I have like a massive infection. Like an Amy Winehouse. I know, I know, it's embarrassing. I'm like falling apart at the seams. But I mean, I'll be okay, just like you'll be okay, Dana Carvey, Once you get... Dana Carvey, the whole name. Listen, Ms. Handler. I will be okay, Ms. Handler. Dana is the toughest one. Chelsea, Dan Handler. That's the special.

That's what George Bush called me when we met at his Kenny Bunk board. He kept calling me Ms Handler, to represent my loose lifestyle. Ms Handler, this unmarried Hylian. He likes the last guy, W. Harlett, yeah. He makes jazzabelle. Yeah, well, you would know, Dana. I mean, you played him for so many years. That's your guy. Well, you would know Dana. I mean you played him for so many years. That's your guy. You mean Bush Senior.

Oh, right. Didn't you play him too? No, I'm talking about Bush Junior. Well, I played Junior just in my stand-up, but Will Ferrell did him on SNL. But I played him. Everybody does W. He's a funny, funny character. My podcast is called Dear Chelsea. people call in for real life advice. And it's, yeah, so it's not like anything you guys would ever listen to. You take phone calls from fans and from real people? No, not fans, people who have fucking problems and they call in and I consider myself like a medical doctor. Yeah, I'm pretty smart about giving advice to people.

I'm really good at it and I'm really a good like motivator. Like go get your shit together and get, you know, make a good life decision. So yeah, I have a podcast called Dear Chelsea and I'm really excited actually guys to be spending this. It feels like a Saturday morning today, doesn't it? It's Friday, but it feels like a Saturday morning. I swear I thought it was Saturday.

This is the earliest we've done one. I don't think we've ever in history. We've done earlier. Yeah, never. Okay, well maybe that explains. I get up early, so I like this. So do I, I always get up early, wherever I am in the world.

They said you have to be at the Beverly Center at 10, so we'll let you go. I guess you gotta use the shopping. The Beverly Center, I fucking hope not, my God. That's what they told us, they go, I fucking hate malls. I grew you got to use shopping. The Beverly Center. I fucking hope not. My God. That's what they told us. They go, but Chelsea has to be there. I fucking hate malls.

I grew up in New Jersey, as you know, Livingston, New Jersey, which you mentioned previously, and I have had my run and fill of shopping malls. So please don't mention any shopping mall to me again, because I'm wrapped. Well, where are you going to go to Lady Footlocker? They just have them on the street. Well, don't you love food court? They come to you. Don't you love a good food court thoughlocker? They just have them on the street. Well, don't you love food court? Don't you love a good food court, though?

You mean Sabaro? Yes, I do. A&W. Oh, A&W. Now we're talking finally. No, Panda Express. I do not like Panda Express. I would like to put that out there on the record. Put it out there for future dates. Spade's going to get a Wendy's hamburger at some point today. Are you?

I do still eat that once in a while. Yeah. Yeah. I, I used to like Wendy's chicken nuggets, but you know, those, that's not chicken. And I had to come to terms with that, even though there was like my favorite fucking snack. I just had to eventually just be like, what am I putting in my body? You know, I put so many chemicals in it already. Does it really need these chicken nuggets to put me over the top?

Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't appear to me. Chelsea, I think we'll let you go. You did a great job. And I just want to say lastly, you did use the word assage. Is that what you said earlier? Assuage.

Assuage. It's great. I wrote it down. Good job. Okay, great. I learned one. I think you learned a few words today, quite frankly. By the way, when I text, I gotta,

if I ever text you, I have to be less like yo, yo, yo, because I talk like a rapper. So I have to probably, I'll do all the spelling stuff for you. Okay, well don't worry. I don't think anyone's confusing you with a rapper. Make sure you change that rap after we hang up. ASAP, Spady.

Yeah, change your rap on your arm. Oh yeah, Chelsea, let's get you choppered out of there. Things aren't going well. Yeah. It doesn't even look. Oh, it's been like this, you guys. This is my life for the next week, so it's okay. Don't worry. I'll survive.

While you were perfectly charming on here, thank you for doing it. Thank you. Nice hanging out. And I don't know who said this to me, but we'll see you around campus. Yeah, we'll see you around campus. What do you mean? Oh, okay, great. Goodbye, Dana, David and David. Goodbye, Chelsea.

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