Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Denis Leary: Conan’s Comedy Cousin

Episode Date: February 26, 2026

It’s triple D today: Denis, David, and Dana. That’s right—Denis Leary, aka Conan O’Brien’s comedy cousin, joins the pod to reminisce about the Boston comedy scene of the ’80s, including his time at Emerson College’s Comedy Workshop. Denis gets into why he never did Saturday Night Live—even though he would’ve landed there during the guys’ era—and reflects on his iconic film roles, including Demolition Man, plus what it was like golfing with Sylvester Stallone. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Why? Because he's Irish. Because he's Irish and he's my cousin. Did you guys know that? And Stallone is in his demolition man outfit with the boots and everything. And there's a golf pro. Just like a golf pro.

And he's driving bowl. He's sluice in again. Those cock suckers ripped you off. They rap. And you say cockucker? You can say anything. Don't smotherful. No, but you can say rap.

You can't say cock sucker, but you can say rap. Dennis Leary. I'm an assho, yo. That's his song. That song is so catchy that I can see why. It was like a hit song. No, it was an actual hit song. It's like Conica song.

He said when he does these gigs, he's like, and I have to do the assholes. Of course. I have to do the assail song. But he's around our age. He's a good dude. been in comedy forever, always working. And he'd on Rescue Me.

He was on so many things. He's done a lot of movies and television. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And one man shows, no cure for cancer, like 91 or two, kind of put him on the map. Folks, folks. And he's worked nonstop. We talk about his smoking.

X kind of became his thing as a comic character and how maybe he doesn't do that anymore. We discovered he's gonna be in a new Ice Age. Yeah, another. Ice Age. I think he's the lion. I think he's the lion. Yeah.

And he has a new show. Called Dutch. Going Dutch, is it? Going Dutch on Fox. And it's actually an interesting story about how this gets made. It's based on a real thing. And he plays the

George S. Patton of the base. It's a military. Yeah, it's fun to have some old schoolers on here, Craig. We talked about the state of shooting and where people shoot their shows It's always on everyone's mind. And here's a fun convo with Dennis Lerry.

Hello, David. Oh, is it Dennis already? Yeah, early. Finally, someone comes early. What? Nobody comes early? No one. That's fucking crazy.

Let's just watch Dana with a buffoon. What's he doing? He doesn't know what he's doing. He's dottering. Shut the door. Get ready. Ah. We were just watching you like a fucking zoo animal in his cage.

Yeah, he can't hear you yet. Hold on. So they told me to put the Superman fly. Can you see what it says, Dennis? No. Oh, fuck. It's fine. Leave it there. Hang on.

This is a 500 pound fucking dresser. I have no idea why I'm not that weak. It's unbelievable. First of all. Yeah. Slow down. No, no. I was going to say.

So I don't. Some, you guys have a studio sometimes, but sometimes you're a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Exactly right. Yeah.

Yes. So, because I've seen people in the studio with you. Yeah. This is my house, Dennis, and this is a studio if we need it. And Dana lives in a mansion about three hours away. I'm on a farm, but I can get there. I'm on a farm too. You're not just saying.

of that. No, I'm on a farm. I'm on a farm, a horse farm. Oh, okay. We got a couple of horses right now, long story short, but yeah. Is your wife where? Is my wife around? Oh, yeah. A rider. I thought you said, is she around? I said she's in the closet. I talked to your wife for a second. But look, if people request going into the studio live, I will almost always try to make it, you know, always try a lot of people who thought you were in boston so you would want to make the trip out but somebody's been doing some local podcasts oh yeah aren't you where are you now i'm in right now i'm in new york interesting yeah where's your precious farm just what state the farmer's in new york it's right outside the city it's a long store i'm a city i'm a city kid and i and i always was i was born and

in the city. But my wife, you know, wanted to, once we got money, my wife met me when we had nothing. Once we got money, she wanted to ride horses. And she became a competitive rider. So we always had horses. Now, when the kids grew up, they refused to come visit us on that farm, which was like three hours out of the city. So we moved closer to the city with a little tiny farm with a couple of ponies. So wait a minute. So you had no money. basically. No money, no credit card. This woman called your wife now.

This amazing woman. Like you, who's amazing, with no money. No money, no money, no money, no credit cards, nothing. And no real possibilities for any kind of success. I mean, think about it. Really? Like, think about the Boston comedy scene in 1985, 80, 82. Yeah, she probably dated Lenny Clark.

Yeah, exactly. Jimmy Tingle. Yeah, we were all getting paid under the table at a club run by Lenny Clark's brother, Mike. That's what we did for a living. This is what I want to ask you, just that we're here right now. It's just the Boston scene. Yeah. And who's carrying the torch for, what do you call that?

You know, you had your quirkeys. You had Paula Poundstone. You had Bobcat, Goldwaith. You had Stephen Wright. Stephen Wright was the start of it all. He was a big one. Yeah, but a lot of hulking, like kind of badass type. Yeah.

You know, rough and tumble clubs. I saw the documentary. You fight. You're throwing chairs. And you were part of that wave. Yeah. Where's that coming from? Should I visit Boston or watching my back?

Or what's all the anger? Well, I don't know. Again, that's one of those things that people constantly ask me, Bill Burr, you know, fucking, they ask Bobcat too, because Bobcat, There was a lot of anger in Bobcats act. So, in aches. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of.

I think it's just a lot of. Various, though. Yeah, really. I mean, great scene, right? But some of the funniest people weren't angry people. Steve Wright wasn't angry. That was a. No, no.

It's just amazing. That was a beautiful, like, Christine Haiku act. I mean, just an amazing act, right? Good. Paul Poundstone. Paula was just, like, really so, you know, open and friendly to me. She used to sit, you know, the rest of us are attacking the audience. Like we want to kill them.

And she sits on a stool and opens up and everybody fucking loves her. Yeah. So, you know, it was weird. Very fast. I used to do a bit because I just thought of an angry comedian. And I know this guy. I know this character. And then this guy gets really rich and famous, but still has to find ways to be angry.

You know. And I did this bit. And then people thought I was doing Bill, but I started thinking of it in the 90s. Yeah, I know, right? You know what drives me fucking nuts. Yeah, it drives me on my fucking mind. Meadow maids. What are you driving a fucking golf cart?

I need a parking ticket. What are you going to get a nine iron in that? The fuck. You know, you know what drives me out of my fucking mind? Pickles. Cyclone fences. You can't get a regular fucking fence. So anyway, that was the bit.

And I love that guy. I love that character. I love being in that attitude because it's, not me. I'm a people pleaser and hopelessly, whatever. Lewis Black was constantly in a state of race. Oh, yeah. Lewis Black was fucking in a rage. A rage no matter what.

I mean, he made me look like fucking Paula Poundstone. Yours was like funny, stupid rage, just mad at stupid shit, I think. Yeah, my, my was silly fucking crazy. And it still is. Like when I do, I do stand up twice a year, right? I have two charity concerts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One in

Boston, which is a big gig for the Cam Neely Foundation. That's like fucking 15,000 people. And the other one is the Michael J. Fox Foundation show, which is private as well. But you know, it's a smaller crowd. It's a few thousand. But

I don't do any old material except the asshole song, but I just it's amazing like fucking how, I mean, I can't remember exactly what the bit was. But when I went up this fall, I did a whole thing about RFK Jr., but about being from Massachusetts. Like,

to be considered an asshole if you're a Kennedy from Massachusetts. You really have to agree, because everybody is so fucking still pro-Kennedy, right? Love the Kennedy. Yeah, they still love the fucking Kennedys in Massachusetts. So egregiously, you have to piss off. You have to piss off everybody in Massachusetts, but your family has to speak out first. So when your family comes out, it says, hey, fuck him. Then we all go, all right, you know what, fuck you.

Yeah, it's great. He did not fly in formation. There's a Kennedy formation and Bobby went, I'm going over here. Do you even doing stand-up on those things, you've got to get nervous. I mean, still stand-up. You've got to do a long set. Yeah, well, you know that feeling now. It's not so much nervous.

It's just like at the ages that we're at, hopefully. It's more like the butterflies. Like, I want the show to start, right? Yeah. It's not true. Like, it's not panic. It's like, fuck, can't wait to get up there. Hope I remember this.

You know what I mean? Like. Right. It's not like, oh, if I do well here, maybe I'll have a career or, you know, I was bomb so hard at the improv in Hollywood. Yeah, I went on an 805, you know. I mean, I mean death. And I was killing in the clubs in the hinderland. And then they said, hey, Norman Lear thought it was pretty funny.

I mean, what the fuck he was there? What was Norman Lear doing there? I don't know. He's dead. Well, this is a while back. My point at what Dennis said, we're not nervous. in that sense that we're dancing for our donuts. We've had our careers and now we're continuing,

which is another thing I wanted to ask you about because... Well, I can see it like, because I stick a, I usually put a young or first time person for a gig that size on the Cam Neely thing in Boston, but also at the Michael J. Fox gig, like, you know, there'll be a person there who's doing it for the first time, a young comp. And I can see, I can see the panic that we all used to... For sure, right?

So you go like, hey, man, it's going to be fine. It's a fucking charity. Whatever. You give them the heads up, right? So I understand that. I remember that. I mean, we all remember that. I was one with Billy Crystal in early 80s. Somehow I had the same manager and they got me on a little showtime special. I had like two minutes. Andy Coffin was the headliner. I was fucking panicked. I had no business being on the show. And Billy Crystal goes, you got fear in your face. Go outside and walk around. Get outside right now. walk around. You look nervous. He was really trying to help me, but

I remember that. Did you go out and walk around? Didn't help at all. I completely bombed. What did you do? What material did you do? Oh, I did a Jacques Cousteau bit. Come on. We're going back to me. Dennis, don't make that face. You couldn't kill with a Jacques Cousteau bit? You can't kill with fucking

I was first up and I had two minutes. But the point is, is that I understand the young comedian going to these big giant charity events 15,000 people. Yeah. Listen, I still remember, I mean, I don't know, I can't remember where your guys' backstories was on this, but I fucking, Lenny Clark ran that fucking, um, the big comedy night in Boston,

the first comedy night was run by Lenny Clark. It was a Wednesday night open mic, but he would have like, he would have you come back over and over again, right? At a Chinese fucking restaurant in Cambridge, right? So, like, I fucking went up the first time. I went up because I went to college with Steve Wright at Emerson College. And so somebody said, and he was the shyest fucking guy in the world. And somebody, a mutual friend said, hey, Steve went up at a fucking Chinese restaurant last night and did stand-up.

And he lived around the corner from me. So I went around the corner to his apartment. I was like, what the fuck? He's like, yeah, I'm doing. He goes, I didn't face the audience. I faced the wall. But I did pretty well. So I went and I saw it.

and I couldn't do what he did, but I could do what Lenny Clark did because Lenny was like a regular guy off the street like regular boss. And I fucking bombed. I must have bombed for fucking 10 weeks. And every time I bombed, there'd be like a tiny little laugh.

I'd go, oh, that was a pretty good thing. And then Lenny would go, hey, come back next week. He would just keep telling me to come back. And I would fucking bomb, but then there'd be like two bits. And so like either you love to you know. When did you have your first one little line?

or one little attitude or one bit that was surefire. Like, oh, I can always lean on this. Everything else sucked. Yeah. So I did, when I was in college at Emerson College in Boston, a bunch of us formed a thing called the Emerson Comedy Workshop. And it was a, you know, a theater group where we had to do original shows. We had to write all the material to get credit for it.

So one of the characters I eventually played in that while I was in college was a guy. Everything was kind of, you know, behind a fourth wall because it was the But there was one character I played we called Bill, who was a really fucking angry guy. It was basically me. It was a really angry guy who smoked and who just fucking talked to the audience and ranted and raved about the Kennedy assassination or whatever, right? He's literally like your parking meter guy, except it was me. So when Steve Wright was doing that thing, I was like, well, I'm just going to try to do that guy,

right? That guy, Bill, who's basically me. So everything wasn't working. But then I wrote my, like the first smoking joke I wrote, which was my sister says, you know, these things are just a replacement because my mom didn't breastfeed me long enough. And I was like, hey, if I could buy a pack of tits, I would. That was the first. That's not a lot on Tick.

And I was like, oh, a pack of tits. Yeah, pack of tits is a great word package. That was the first joke where I went like, oh, fuck. And you're like, how do I work tits in every joke? Yeah, I need 10 packs of jokes that are as good as. As good at. It took me a while, but that was where I got my first smoking, angry smoking truck. This year, get back to an at-home routine that you love and elevate your space with Wayfair.

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I smoked for 52 years. Okay, so it was not a prop. Oh, no, fuck, no. I stopped smoking after no cure for cancer because on stage, because I was like, there's no fucking point now, because it's like people expect me to smoke. I'll just get rid of, but I smoked like a fucking chimney until four years ago.

And you smoked on stage? Smoked on stage. And nobody cared? Nobody gave a fuck. I smoked out. I smoked on stage at Carnegie Hall. I smoked where you're not allowed to smoke at all. Yeah.

I smoked I smoked everywhere. I smoked in fucking Mayor Bloomberg's office in New York City while he was the mayor. He was the complete anti-smoking guy. You're the first. I was just light up. I'll just fucking light up until people told me. Did you have a question? move with it because if it wasn't dangerous, I mean, I thought John Hamm in Mad Men,

he was so brilliant with the cigarette and making it intensely cool, the way he smoked it. Did you have moves that you were conscious of or did you just look cool? No, I took on stage, I always tried to look the opposite of cool with it. So I was always like making it huge, you know what I mean? Like big gestures. But I don't know if I was cool and really, I thought I was cool and really. life smoking. Did you ever put it in your mouth and keep talking like Brad Pitt did once upon a tab of Hollywood? Yeah, because that is the cool move when it, you know.

I smoked, I smoked all the time. You knew what you're doing. Yeah. Have you had your lungs checked out or how are you? Now, here's the fucking thing, right? I quit drinking like 20 years ago. I'm not going to health enough, but I, you know, I'm physically active. I play a lot of fucking sports. I, you know, try to keep myself in shape. Colin Quinn, you know, who quits. smoking a long time ago was the guy when I saw him, he'd be like, hey, you're going to you're never going to quit. So that was always in my head, right? That he was probably right, because we knew each other back when we were in our 20s,

like when we were all smoking, but he and I smoked like fucking chimneys. So I was like, he's right. I'm never, I just gave up on the idea of quitting. So, and I'm, this is not any brag. I'm just telling you guys what happened. I don't know why it happened. I went outside to smoke a cigarette. in August, four years ago, I think it was.

And I literally finished the cigarette and I went, eh, that's it. And I thought, that's weird that I said that to myself. And I had a full pack. So I'm like, I'm going to smoke again tomorrow. I woke up in the morning. I threw that pack away. Fucking never smoked again. I just never, I don't know.

So it's just like the quitting drinking. I quit drinking. I was like, eh, I'm done. Like I think I just have one of those such addictive personality that at a certain point my brain goes, we don't need these things anymore, right? So my wife goes, you're getting a fucking checkup and blah, blah, blah.

And I'm like, okay. And she's like, I'm coming with you because I don't trust you. She's right, right? Because if the doctor told me bad news, I would probably. So I go, I do the fucking tests, everything, running, breathing,

the fucking scans of the lung. And then we have this meeting with the cardiologist. And he's like, I don't know what to say. But you have, it's like you never, I love it. And I was like, what? And as soon as he said it, my wife turned to me, she goes, you're not fucking smoking again.

And I was like, that was the first thing I thought. Like, I could start smoking again. But I did. I got lucky genetically. I got totally lucky. Other people drink like a fish, go to 95, you know, and other people, you know, so. My mother died at 98. She just passed away.

And she never smoked or drank a day in her life. My dad dropped dead when he was 60. And he smoked like a chimney. So I got my mother's insides and my dad's outsides. Yeah. Wow. So you got to be really handsome and healthy. You look the same. That's good.

Yeah. Well, I think we all think we look the same, but we don't. It depends on the lighting. Depends on the shot. My wife and I are at the airport and they go, clear, do you want to have clear? You go and they take your picture. Yeah. It was so monster.

It was like amazing how. old we looked like we're all we're all i know yeah is that you only are your digital copy and it's lighting and stuff so there's no macro or truth of exactly how you look well you've got a good voice that's the same too this your voice is so distinct that it's strong that's cool and have a good strong voice that's yeah what are you guys talking about you guys have two the most identifiable fucking voices in fucking show business david does i i you do what do you do what are you This voice? Yes.

Who's that? It's the voice you lead into the bits with. Oh, the in and out guy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I like that. I like what you're saying.

Listen, we have to face certain facts, which is the three of us, he's a youngster compared to you and me, right? David. So, because you're what? What are you 71? No, don't go. Hey, don't have. Hey, whoa, whoa.

I'm 70, but I read. at a 72-year-old level. Yeah, we'll cut this out. I'm 69. You're 69? I tell people, I'm going to be 60 now. Okay, Dana, realize. I tell people I'm 70 because I look even younger.

But here's the point. We're both, all three of us are still working. How about that? Yeah. That's what I was going to ask you about. The amazing men of like how long, and now you got a big TV show, you know, in Ireland, where you're filming it, going Dutch. So it's like, you don't stop.

I mean, your Wikipedia page, you know, rescue, you know, all you're just going, go on going. I don't know how you do it. But now you got a new show. We can talk about that. You probably don't want to people to know about it, though, right? You're the only reason I'm talking to you, asshole. Get out there.

No, no, no. Honestly, though, even if I didn't have a show, I would, I, I, you know, my podcast's, uh, habits are so fucked up because I'm so old school. I literally have only listened to the podcast that are on satellite radio in my truck when I'm driving around. Right. Easiest way. Yeah, yeah.

Right. So that's Conan fucking. Stupid Conan. Oh my God. He needs a friend. Why? Because he's Irish. Yeah.

Because he's Irish. He's my cousin. Did you guys know that? We looked it up. Yeah. We looked up some shit. It's fucked up. Now, how tall are you?

It's alive. You're a cousin. But my son is huge. My son is 6-7. So Conan is. Conan's height? Conan. There's a bunch of people.

In my family, my dad's side, people are tall and thin, even the women. Right. I mean, he had one sister who was very small. And my sister, Anne-Marie, who's right behind me, is pretty tall. My son is tall, my daughter is tall. My wife has tall people on her side of the family. Okay. Well, most Irish men are not tall.

No. Bono is average, you know, five, six, five, seven, nine. But Conan are, the reason you can tell Conan and I are actually, well, listen, by the way, it's like we're from the southwest. And we're all, it's not like everybody's a cousin. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. So Conan and I, I, my whole body is legs. My torso is tiny. And I have a look at this fucking hair. Now, you've got a little bit conany hair right now. This year gets a little bit fucking higher. And the legs are longer. I'm coming. You're right there. And by the way, you want to talk about angry, fucking funny Irish guys. Conan's the king.

Nobody, that fucking guy. He doesn't show it on his. Is he angry? I mean, he's angry. He's pretty angry. On the podcast, he's really fucking funny. I love it. He can really go down the fucking rabbit hole.

But anyways, what I was going to say was I became aware of your guys podcast and I was looking at it on Instagram because I don't listen to podcasts. Yeah. So this is my usual thing of seeing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, this is, I brought this up, it's not profound, but this is a new art forum where people consuming what we're doing right now are most likely doing something else while they are gardening. They're the gym or in their car. In their house doing shores and so I used to think razzle dazzle, I got to do it.

Yeah, yeah. It's, you know, they're just listening. I just want to ask you one question. We just aren't loud because you don't want to wake them. Right. Most people are taking naps. Go to sleep and don't turn it off and go. it off and pile through like 20 of our podcasts.

Yeah, that's the trick. They don't add up to add dollars. So my name, I looked it up before, but I did again, County Sligo. Carvey in Gaelic, Ogarbian means rough or rugged. Ooh. That's a miss. Yeah, well, that fits. Take that, Larry.

What's Leary? I looked up, Leary. It's Calf Teaper. Unusually feminism. feminist. So I had the joke and I went too far. God, you messed it up. I've fucked up.

It means calf keeper. And actually in Gail. Cap? Calf. Calf like a cow. Calf keeper. Oh, yeah,

yeah, yeah, because we're all fucking farmers in Ireland. Yeah. We, my people used to beat up cows. He, really?

Because they were so rugged. Hey, let me ask you guys this. You can ask you anything. I know I can, right? So I'm a guest. Yes.

So, so. So, so. So, When this thing started, it was just people from Saturday Night Live that were connected because that's, you know, I, I keyed in because I was, I was interested in that. And then, so now have you cycled through all the SNL people? And now you're going to.

Well, we just had Marcelo Hernandez. Yeah, he's. I saw parts of that one. Yeah. So we still do have that element, but, you know, you must have auditioned for Saturday Night Live. No, never. You must have seen it. Well, of course, I saw it.

I didn't. They asked me to host it, too, when I first got famous and I had too much respect for what you guys were doing to fucking... What year was that? Thank you. 92, 93. He asked me... Oh, we would have been there. Oh, no.

You ended up... You did an impression of me in some bit there. Oh, that's right. I did, right? But I was going to... I knew a couple guys there. I knew Quinn and I knew fucking Chris Rock and a couple of people. And I was like...

Oh, and what people were doing. Like, so I had too much respect for that. And also, why on my debt? my week off from making something and doing press. Instead of just doing a talk show, which is hard enough to make sure you fucking come out funny on a talk show. Yeah. What I want to fucking work my balls off for seven days.

It's a tough week. Crazy. So I never did it. It's an honor. That's why. It's an honor. You would have done great. You would have done great.

Standups do great, you know. I was the last guy to do a Disney movie where they said it was an honor. And that's why I didn't get a lot of money. and then they came out with Shrek and everyone got $5 million. I go, wait, what the fuck is the Disney movie you did? It's called Amper's New Groove.

I played a llama. He got $18,000. I'll send you a clue. The movie made $100 billion. No, I got $75,000, which sounds like a lot. It was a lot. That's not a lot.

Not for a big cartoon. It's a three years. Those fucking cock suckers ripped you off. They rat fucked me. Can you say cocktucker? you can say anything those motherfuckers no but you can say rat fucker you can't say cock sucker but you can say rat fucker

no I did it and it kept going and going and I'm like guys I don't want to drive out to Disney everything just lay down an hour or two of trucks I'm like Dennis Lirry I got shit to do on my day off yeah and so they're like it's just going to be now we read it the script I'm doing scenes I don't even know what's going on I love the movie now but I was during it I was starting to get a little itchy

like I don't know there's no ending it does I mean, it did, it was fine. I really love it. But, and then they, they're miracle workers with the freaking animation. You did one. You did Zanzibar. What was it called?

As a matter of fact, I did too. I did Bugs Life. I was Jerry. You played an aphid? What? I don't know. What was that? You played an aphid?

I'm trying to think a bug. I said a ladybug. Was that Jerry's time? Was that Jerry's movie? No. That's an ant's life. Oh. Okay.

Yeah. It was a rip off. Jerry was bees. Oh, he was a bee, that's right. Oh, that's right. Pugs are getting a little. Insect. So what were you?

By the way, I should take this opportunity since we brought it up. Ice Age 6 is coming out next year. There is not an ice thing. I'm fucking swear to God. Fuck. Ray Romano is going to get another check. No, that's Madagascar, I think. Oh, okay.

No, that is Ice Age. It's Ice Age. It's me, Legeramo and Romano. I'm going, sui. Yeah. So you don't have to go into numbers. Maybe it's rude. You're a lion.

Did you get a bump? Did you get a bump for this one? We got bumps for all of them. So basically. A bigger bump? They didn't know this, but I guess they were discussing. You know, the problem is these movies, and it's a plus, it's not a problem. They're getting streamed like crazy.

So now they can see the numbers of what's really streaming. So the Ice Age movies apparently by adults, and kids were getting streamed like crazy. Ray and I were making a TV show for Netflix together at the time. This is like two years ago called No Good Deed. So we were working together every day. I was playing his brother. And we both came into work one morning in a makeup trailer and were like,

hey, did you an agent call you that? I was like, yeah, my agent called me. They didn't know that we were working together and they wanted to start negotiations with me and Ray and Legazamo to see if we would be interested in doing it. So we did the right thing, which was like we basically all three of us said, hey, we need to see the script and, you know, make sure it's that, you know, it's not just, it's going to be good, you know. Play hard to get. Play hard to get. Plus, we need a lot of money. So it worked out. And did Netflix buy it off of what Dreamworks or whatever it was?

No, I don't fucking know who owns it now. I know. Because, you know, they do movies now where like Happy Gilmore, they, I think they bought it off of Sony. I mean, I don't know. Did they really? The most recent Happy Gilmore. Yeah, because they did on Netflix, and the first one was Sony. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah, that fucking thing is such a monster, man. Yeah.

It's a monster movie, right? So, yeah, of course they pay for it. Everybody saw it. If they can, yeah, if they can do it, they go, oh, now there's a breakthrough. We can buy movies we never had. Well, now they're doing, Sandler signed with them pretty early about that stuff,

which makes sense because, I mean, right? By the way, how about fucking the act? actor Samler has turned himself into. It's un-fucking believable. Sam, he won, uh, hidden, what was it, Jam? On Cod. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, he's really turned himself into a great character actor. But at the same time, he's going to make funny movies that fucking the whole world sees. So why wouldn't you want that guy in your lineup? But listen, this goes back to the reality. There's no more movies anymore. It's all fucking street. No, movies are movies don't really. Yeah.

I mean, just, why they make him. anything besides a cartoon or a big action movie that's it yeah yeah well the competition i have a low budget movie and we're trying to figure out what to do with it and we're like do you even want to try theaters everyone seems like that sounds so fun right i go you don't want to get smoked by the avenger i mean you're not going to how would you compete with anything yeah you want to be streaming more people will see your fucking movie on a friday night then we'll see it if you ran into the theaters combined. I mean, just romance of like, oh, I'm in the theater, but I've had theaters and I've had streaming. Streaming, it goes worldwide in one second. If you don't have the advertising

budget, then there's going to be three people in there. And nothing will, any comedy will bomb. And then it looks weird. In Taddles would have bombed. It was just two people. Listen, who's going to go, who's going to go to the theater? Who are they going to go see? Tom Cruise, right? Still apparently, fucking big Marvel movies which are again they're on the Wayne as well and then you get every once in a way you get that if Spielberg has a big movie an action movie he's got one coming

out somewhere I'm going yeah yeah so I mean otherwise you might as well be fucking you know streaming because I like the theater and about five seven years ago is the first time I had walked out on some clankers and I usually would just go for the whole fun of going and then you buy all the shit and you sit in the back

and you watch I just liked it all and then suddenly the movies were too shitty. I don't know what happened at a certain point I go I can't do the whole two and a half hours because sometimes they really rat fuck you with a long movie and go get in and out you don't need to get. What are you doing? 90 minutes for comedy. Come on.

80 and then you do the outtakes for 10. What are we fucking doing? It's two and a half hour movies. You know, very few people can get away with that shit. Fucking Paul. For Nolan will, you know, there's certain people, you kind of go, I got to see that.

But it is, I don't know if you have this problem, but I watch movies at home. And then my wife's got her phone and it's a chain with her family. Dang, you know, the dinner bill. You know, it's the desk scene or whatever. They're a tap. So I do like once in a while a dark theater. It's dead empty. I'm sitting in the back.

I turn everything off. And it doesn't even matter. As long as there's some things moving around, it's meditative. It's like all the noise. Only in church or a movie theater do they ask you? Or maybe even on takeoff, I see people on their iPhone in a plane, you know? Yeah. Anyway, comment.

How about the fucking thing? You're not allowed in my house. If you're at my house, this goes with my kids. Although my son and my daughter are pretty respectful because they're in the business of like, they're not going to watch a Scorsese movie on a fucking iPhone. How many times have been in an airport and see walk by some guys watching Goodfellas on an iPhone? Yeah. I mean, what are you following?

fucking iPad. Apocalypse now. It's really good, man. There's a lot of helicopters. Yeah, you're not fucking, you can't have your phone, you know, going at the, yeah. Like when I watch the Super Bowl, I watch the fucking Super Bowl.

You're not talking about other shit around me while I'm watching the fucking Super Bowl. Okay. Even during the halftime show, you could maybe talk a little, but I'm watching the game, okay? So I'm not fucking. I totally agree. want to, yeah, be where a lot of people are talking about other topics. It's third and long.

This is, you know, yeah, yeah. The problem is I have so much football knowledge. I sometimes bless the people with a couple things like, uh, the refs missed that one. I say stuff like that. Yeah. Everyone appreciates it. He's got. You guys watch yesterday? What's that? You watch yesterday? Yeah. You mean four months ago when the Super Bowl was? We're released this episode in July. It's the Super Bowl, and yes, we did watch it. I saw it. I like Bad Bunny. I'm not a bad Bunny.

I'm not a bad Bunny fan. I don't want any of his music, but I like the show. You like Bad Bunny and you can't live? I did like Bad Bunny. Yeah. It was theatrical. I was so tempted to go see how bad the fucking alternative show was with Kid Rock. And the three country stars, nobody outside of fucking Nashville's ever heard of. who are these guys?

I like some country music. Who the fuck are these guys? I have to say if you got a big show, get your biggest, get Carriandowood in there. Get somebody we've heard of. I agree. I have a piece of trivia that Dana,

I shouldn't tell you about it. I was going to pitch an alternative Oscar live stream. If you don't want to watch the Oscars, watch us three talking about the movies. Go ahead. David, sorry. That's not a bad idea.

After the opening month, I'm only interested because I'm interested in the comedian doing the monologue. Then I don't give a fuck. You've seen all the movies that are going to be up for all right. We've all been at these awards show. You, I think I was at the Emmys one year when you fucking hosted. Like it takes forever. Even when you're there, it fucking sucks.

Right. So an alternative broadcast is really fucking funny. Like the fucking Manning cast of the Emmys and the Oscars where like the three of us are making comments about what's going on on the the show if you're allowed to do that anything where you can comment is genius because that's all people do in the living room i think we have a fucking idea it's possible doesn't have to be the three of us but three comedians fucking comment on the fucking golden globes or the emmys or the Oscars as they're happening that has got to have been done before i don't know why they haven't done because that's every living room but i think the problem is licensing to show a show yeah yeah

But if you I looked into this a little bit because that old mystery science theater I liked. Yes. And the reason why they did old shitty movies is because they at the only one they could clear. Right. Right. So I'm losing you guys with this showbiz lingo, but clearing means how do I explain it? Anyway, so it would be really fun to do that. And here's my trivia about the halftime show, Dana, which I'll tell you again this week on when we do our own.

I want to hear. The bushes during Bad Bunny were people. Oh, really? They were people in bush costumes. No, they weren't. And at the end, I saw a video, they're all walking off. All the bushes are walking off. AI, AI bullshit.

AI bullshit. I think it's real. Let's look it up. Heather, Greg. We'll save that for this week. I see what I find, I find really interesting is that, that space, and you. I mean, how did that partnership come about?

I mean, I know the S&L connection, but whose idea was it? Which one of you said to the other, hey, what if we did? Hmm. Hmm. Well, I was having dinner with Dana once in a while in L.A. because Dana was a favorite and a bud

from the old days, always the hanging best now. And he didn't live here. And then when he was, I realized he was near me, I said, hey, you want to go eat? And he would come and we'd have a, a beer and bullshit and we'd always get around to s and all stuff because we all know all our friends and shit yeah yeah and i was in the i wanted to try a podcast a long time ago i just couldn't figure out someone to do it with and uh somehow with dana and i talking of course it would take dana

doing it but i would rather have someone like dana than you know you get someone famous or you could do it with someone totally unknown it's like a sidekick that just and you just talk pretty much. Right. But Dana was good talker, hysterical. And then we just said, well, maybe we should try something like this. And that was the fun because he gets someone that's a home run hitter here. Well, it was also on the tregeling days of like, you know, Conan came in and other people and Rogan became humongous. And it was like this podcasting thing is like, you know, because for a long time, it's like, well, is there any money in it? Because I did one without a company. It was just called Fantastic.

And it was just for fun. And David came on that. And David was really fun to bounce off stuff with. Oh, that was sort of like a pilot because once we did that, we're like, this is funny. We're just fucking around. Yeah, that was the key, right? Was that you.

Yeah. So the fucking thing was funny. Yeah. Yeah. And just, you know, we're friends, you know. So it's like we don't have to pretend or we're put together by some kind of conglomerates, you know. Yeah.

Now we work for a conglomerate. You're too busy to do a podcast. No, first of all, I don't have, the people have asked me, but again, I don't have the, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I don't have the time because I'm always on location or whatever. But I was like, I don't fucking, I was like you. Like, I don't want to do it unless it's going to be something funny. I want to just fucking talk. No offense.

I don't want to talk to people if it's not going to be fun. Talk to people. Oh, I want to hear why. Now, you guys shoot in Ireland. Is that fun to shoot? Going Dutch is on Fox TV. It's on Fox. At Hulu.

And Hulu. More people want it on Hulu than they do on FAC. Is that true? Yeah, because the linear world is fucking, you know. Linear. Linear. Linear televised and it's just an excuse for sports now. So, you know, it's like Hulu is where you live, right?

Sports dominates everything. I mean, because it's live and everything else. It's like, yeah, I'll get to it next time. That's why Netflix wants live stuff because they go live is really the best thing you can't. Yeah, they fucking paid a guy to climb. a building. Yeah. Not a left, by the way.

They didn't pay them enough. We talked about that. I saw you guys talking about it. You guys were right. But, okay, just because. How does the guy not get a fucking at least a million? I was going to kick in. I thought your idea.

It was funny that you, but you guys were like, I'll go up in the elevator. Yeah, I go up on the 20 or 20 minutes to stand up there. Two 50. A corporate gig. Give me a corporate gig.

I'll go close to the window and look out for five. minutes. I'll go all the way up to the top. I'm not going to go outside, but I'll sing the asshole song in the top of the building. You go that's going to come back down. 15 grand. 15K cash, no tax.

15 net. I'll go to the town. I'll look at the state. Group of binoculars. Yeah. Stay three Hail Marys. Okay. You pay that guy, right?

You pay him 400,000 to go to the climb to the top. I will be across in another building outside, but like with a railing, and I will sing the asshole song. Yep. I'll go up for 600,000. I'll go up an escalator at Cheesecake Factory in Ugs. They're not that grippy. I will sing the asshole song. I know the asshole song.

It's the only thing I have to offer. It's part of it. That's iconic. Without that, it's no deal. Anyway, this show, because they're going to ask you later. I mean, this show going Dutch, you're like this patent. And I saw some of yourself. You like this military or Army Colonel ghosted the Netherlands where there's his outlier base

and they're like Gomer Pyle or it's dysfunctional and you got to whip him in the shape. And it's filmed in Ireland. Yes. I was going to say, go to the Netherlands to a studio. Because you're Irish? No, no, no, no, no. The problem is. I know.

It's financial. No, it's based on a real base. He's actually existed. So the showrunner is this guy, Joel Church Cooper, a billionaire. He did Brockmeyer with Hank Azaria. Right. I was a huge fan of. So he approached us about wanting to work together. And it's like, yeah.

He said, listen, I know a guy that was stationed at this base, this American base in the Netherlands, that the only reason it existed was to do the laundry for the other 32 NATO bases in Europe and to deliver wine and cheese to each base. That's fine. But because it was in the Netherlands, you have to hire a certain amount of citizens to work on the base. Prostitution is legal and drugs are legal. So what ended up happening was, of course, is it became a den for, you know, for illegal

drugs and which you can't blame them. So they shut the base down. This guy was stationed there, this advisor that we had. So we loved the idea. We didn't want to shoot anywhere near the Dutch government or the American military base that had been shut down. So Ireland looks just like the Netherlands in terms of the land and the color of the landscape and the weather. And Ireland has a thriving film and TV industry.

So it was a double plus for me because that's where my parents are from. And I have like 150 cousins there. So it was it was a blast. It's always a blast to go back there because my cousins come and visit the set. My cousins like walk on the set and they're like, hey, I know the DP. I went to high school with him. So it's like the country's small, you know. And they gave us a military base for us to shoot out.

I mean, Rob Lowe told us that his game show, the floor. Yes, shoots there. It shoots there. It's still cheaper. I think it's 700 people or whatever. I mean, hundreds of American citizens. They fly to Ireland, put them up for months. And it's still exponentially cheaper than Hollywood.

Is it because of all the strikes where everything is so expensive? No, it's because of the unions. rules, right? So, but it's also because everybody gives tax break. I mean, fucking Boston gives tax breaks. Fucking Atlanta. You know, New Orleans.

Why don't L.A. give tax break? Because we did both grown-ups movies in Boston. Oh, a couple of people remember? Thank you. And so we went to fucking Swampscot. Swapskin. By the way, I saw both grown-ups movies multiple times.

Because I liked them and I knew a bunch of you guys. I was like, I'm going to watch this. But then my kids were like, Adam Sandler, the grownups. Yeah, that's a fun one for families. It's a good family movie, actually. How much things have changed that in the first grownups, the reviews and the way they used to our friend Adam again,

the way they would just shit on Adam Sandler for so long. And we all knew he was brilliant. And he's not trying to make apocalypse now. He's making a family comedy. I sent him a text and go, no, this is a really, really great funny movie. Not that he needed it. But he goes, first of all, this, by the way, fucking murderers' row of people in both those movies are the cast, right? Yeah.

Every single person, and I know it's Saturday Live Heavy, but who gives a fuck? Everybody's a fucking killer who comes into the cast. So number one, number two, they're fucking funny movies. Number three, now he's, it's the last laugh is on them because he's turned into a great actor and he can make big funny movies. Yeah, yeah, he can do both. I mean, I don't know if you guys saw Jay Kelly, the movie with Yeah. Where he's playing the manager, man.

He's side by side with a true Hall of Fame movie star, a guy that can do anything, right? And fuck, they're Santa Ana. I think they're finally coming around on them. It's taken forever, but they're all finally like, he was at the Santa Barbara Film Festival this week. And I'm like, finally. And it must be, it's just, I'm sure he feels weird about it like, where were you guys? Like, you just stepped on his neck. There's a herd mentality.

Yeah. It's a herd mentality for sure. You know, and it goes like that. How are your reviews throughout your time? I've never seen once. I don't know what, are they pretty good? They were, they were great. Well, they were great for Nokia for cancer.

They were great, you know, for certain movies, like the ref, which is still a great movie. Yeah. But I had to learn how to act as I first became famous. because I was a theater actor, and I didn't have a lot of experience in front of the camera. So I made, you know, I made like the Sandlot, which was the first movie I did. But I did that movie because I thought like,

oh, I could, this is a different part for me and this will help me learn how to act on camera because it's very small in terms of performance, in terms of the size of the performance. And then I did like fucking, because I had two kids. I, you know, I was, again, no credit cards when I first got famous, and I had two babies. So I was like, I did Demolition Man with fucking Stollone and Schneider.

Yeah. I love that. Yeah, it was great. I love Stallone. And then I did, I fucking, you know what? He was the nicest fucking guy. Oh, yeah, he's old school. He would never.

He was such a pro. You know, I liked your thing. You know, no kid for cancer. You know what I'm talking about? He was such a fucking, um, men. And he, I've told this. before but like I was I'm fresh off the fucking tree right and I just did a tiny little baseball movie with a bunch of kids and um and I go to first day on on demolition man to do the costume

changes and uh so they go you're going to go into the I think it was Warner brothers you're going to go on the lot they're going to show you the outfits and everything and you're going to meet sly he's going to be there and I was like oh great so I go and you know it's all science fiction shit so they put me in this fucking metallic stupid Yeah. And then they go, hey, Slice here. He wants you to go up down, you know, a couple stages down. He wants to say hi. So I'm in science fiction fucking demolition here. Yeah. And I, when I first pulled in, I saw this giant batting cage, like off in the distance. And I was like, I wonder why they have a batting case. Well, now I'm walking and I turn this

corner with this fucking PA. And he's like, yeah, he's right here. And it's a giant fucking net for driving golf balls. And Stallone is in his demolition man outfit with the boots and everything. And there's a ball throw guy. Best like a golf pro. And he's just driving ball. Fuck, I can't fucking slayson again.

You're good. And he's like, hey, Dennis, it's nice to meet you. Hey, let me tell you something. When we're shooting, this guy's with me all the time. You want to hit some balls, get some lessons. This is the everything. he's on the set. Every day.

Every night. For anybody to have a golf pro? We shot in a fucking shopping mall, like fucking 30 minutes from L.A. The fucking golf pro's there. Yeah. We shoot on the lot. The golf, every day the golf pro was there. Fantastic.

Was Sandy Bullock in that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was? Yeah. She replaced. We had to shut the movie down to replace. Lori Petty was the girl who played her first. Really?

Yeah. Interesting. What happened? I don't know. I mean, I went to work one day. No, it was a story. What? What?

I said, Dennis, tell us the story. You don't know. I don't have a fucking story. No, I'm kidding. I was looking for a banger.

We're looking for that. Listen, if you land on, Sandra Bullock, you're fine. Yeah, it was such a huge paycheck. You know,

one day we went to work and they're like, all right, we're going to end up going over. Everybody had penalties he's written into the contract. Again, this is my first, like, big Hollywood paycheck. And they go, sly fucking, he was hitting golf balls too hard. He busted a fucking, um, game.

Yeah, he's always breaking. And so we're taking three weeks off, but you're going to get paid. And I was like, fuck, that's awesome. Yeah. Love it. A three-week vacation where I fucking got paid because Stallone was trying to kill the golf ball. You're not even supposed to be doing anything when you're doing it. Yeah, it was Rob.

Snyder in that too? Yeah. Steyer. Give me a club. What are they doing? These aliens are attacking us, sir. You got a stepan iron? I think he was,

wasn't robbed like his character was, like he was in an office. Yeah. Like his character on SNL. Oh, and then he got copy machine guy in the demo. Carried away with the action or something.

A regular guy. Hang on a second. My dog's a broken. Yeah. I think you're having a break. My wife is coming home from shopping, so the dog's going fucking crazy. It's all right. Where you're done anyway, but we're just saying suicide kings draft day,

they've got some fucking bangers in here, man. Yeah, you've had quite a, quite a time. The only last question I have for you is, when was the first time? Because you're with the original wife, you know, the before wife. So are you, right? Yeah. And so there's a given time where it's like, you know, you're having success and you're starting to make money, like real money.

And you're sort of like, I guess, were kind of rich now you you weren't rich but in relative terms i don't know when that happened for you we've went we're making a lot of money right now it's kind of a heady thing that happens to people get successful in show business yeah well that was right around that period because it went so from zero to 60 so quick right i did that sandlot movie um the you know uh so you got paid for that Well, I got paid for that, but then because of the rushes, there was a good word of mouth on that movie. Well, they like the dailies and previews. Like you.

So now they know I can act. So they're like, you know, fucking Jeffrey Katzenberg was running all those branches of Disney movies at the time, Touchstone. So he was like, we had this script called The Ref, which was written by a friend of my, Richard LaGrovenies, who had already been nominated for an Oscar for that Robin Williams movie. be the Fisher King. So it was an Oscar-nominated writer, Ted Demi, one of my best friends who was the guy. Your old buddies, yeah. Yeah, he did my MTV spots. So we had that script.

So not only did they want us to make that movie, but they gave me and Ted deals, like free picture deals. Oh, oh, oh. Automatically, there's just a ton of money. And then I'm doing like fucking demolition man, judgment night, you know, all these big movies. So, like, we had a lot. of money all of a sudden from having nothing. Right. Yeah.

And then happens. Yeah. So, and it was great. And I was learning how to act as I went along. So I'm like, I knew I wanted to be like a character actor because that had longevity. Because I knew the stand-up you can always do, right? Yeah. You can always go back to it. Yeah, exactly. So, and I was fucking getting the work with like, you know, you guys know that. It's like you're working with your heroes. Yeah. So fun. Or meeting them for sure. I got to tell you, one of the, I met so many fucking, and worked with so many of my heroes. But I got to tell you, you guys know this to be true. I did this movie called Small Soldiers with Phil Hartman.

Of course. And Small Soldiers was like, you know, it's a lot of fucking, that's right. That's right. And the rest of the movie is alive human beings. So me, Jay Moore, David Cross, and Phil. Those are like the four male leads, right? hilarious people. Fucking Phil.

I mean, Judy, and the director was Joe Dante, and he wanted us to improvise and stuff and play around. That guy fucking made us laugh. Sometimes he was making me laugh so hard while we were shooting the scenes. The director would go, you guys have to leave a little less act to a tennis ball because we couldn't stop laughing. Yeah, Phil.

I could see Phil in that character really. knowing how to just fuck. And he was so fucking funny, dude. That's awesome. And you know, one of my favorite characters he did was unfrozen caveman.

Yeah, shit. Reference that frequently as like, yeah, so funny. And brilliance. It's so, but it never leaves your head. It's so fucking.

And once I told him that was my favorite guy. Oh, yeah. There was a lot of characters. I love this. But I just said, like, I think that's my favorite.

He would just fucking break that guy out on seven. Yeah. So I'm a time, but a simple cave, man. He's played so straight, and it's very Jack Handy, the writer, who writes in such a different lane than anybody. Yeah. He's also a great fucking actor, man. Yeah. Fucking great actor.

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