Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - LORNE MICHAELS (Part 2)

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

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the hardest, and it's probably dozens of them but I have one in mind that I was in that I didn't write but it went to a level of laughter and involved an animal. Ah massive headwind hair. Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah. Because an animal you know a dog was licked at that. Well also the headline of it massive headwind. You cut it. That's an nonsense. You know, I thought that was a head jackhandic. So that's such an odd title, but I think it was Schneider's anyway. I think it was Schneider and probably a few other people

who I think were on the gang. Frank and two. But that was just one of those things that they said between Dress and Air, you know, like Robert asks the handler of the dog, well, what would make him really voracious? Well, so they didn't feed him. He was hungry and then put more stuff on my prosthetics. So the dog went crazy.

And because I was trained by you, I didn't want to be about the prosthesis coming off. So I went like that and just held it. But it was such a long battle between me and the dog. And you and you kept in it. Yeah. I stayed in it. I didn't want it to be about that and you didn't milk it. No, and I think that's the discipline of it. You know that they you transcend it. You're still playing.

Yeah, you don't want it when it's killing that hard. It was like pepper boy with Sandler. And that was killing so hard on air. It just came out and Sandler and I were just in a rhythm together. Yeah. And then Farley had one line and on the dress show, it's like, Well, peper boy. So then the air show and of course we're coming around the Lanket pepper or whatever. And Farley's like, well thank you, peper boy.

But ten times louder than I just said. Sandler turns purple, is turning away from the camera to me. And I whisper, I keep the Italian accent and I go, don't the brake. Oh yeah. And he didn't brake, because I thought the sketch was going so good that I didn't want it to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's not going good, okay, you can brake, but not if it's good. But also a sketch like Cantine Boy with Alex and Dan from Surround the Canter. Yeah, I wouldn't get too far these days. Oh my God. that was a little... Even back then it was resistance.

Oh yeah, totally. So when you get, obviously it gets, it's probably still exciting. And would you ever want to stop or if Dane and I can't take over? I think there's times when it's so frustrating and so whatever that you think. But when that, the-up is over, you know when it's just you're hurting those last two songs, just the band, and you know those

songs because they don't change much. And then you start to realize you're kind of excited. That's never changed for me. No, I don't. I think you just, you're like anyone who's driven, you take the slings and arrows. But I didn't. I think you just you're like anyone who's driven. You take the slings and arrows. Yeah. But I didn't really understand what you did until I guest hosted and was just kind of you hang out with you kind of more. Yeah. And even if you're going to dinner, whatever, you're constantly producing and constantly thinking and suggesting and you're really bleeding over every show emotionally. So how do you decompress? I mean, are you? I guess like, well, I think it's different when you have kids because that they take you to go to the party. You come back and then somebody's jumping on your chest and you can still taste the beer and

but they're the priority in your life and that you get through that period. I think for me, I think for me, and particularly in the pandemic, and for the whole of the 16 election and afterwards, you sort of went, oh, people are counting on us talking about them being there. And that was like a huge thing. And when we did those at home shows in the pandemic, you know, the idea that, and it always, it's just the DNA of the show, we show up. So you sort of feel you with 9-11 or whatever that you have to, and you know, when Sandy Hook happened,

you know, and McCartney was on the show, and Marty Short, and it happened on the Friday, who was what it should have. That's the toughest. And I go, we don't have to do that. I don't know why we have to do that. And then Friday night, I can't not do it. You can't somehow figure it out. And there was a choir, a boys choir.

Oh yes. There was on for wonderful Christmas time with McCarty was. I remember that sketch. Yeah. And so Marty showed it again. Oh, sure. You can't say, is this your fault?

Yeah. Yeah. And we were, it also happened to be the Friday night that they were shooting the last scene of 30 rock. Alec on a boat down in Sustry, Seaport, and uh, I promised Tina and Robert and Alec that I'd be there for that. So I'm driving out the west of the uh, west highway, now, and I'm still trying to figure out, and what I'm going to do because we don't have

an opening. And Paul had said, McCartney had said, I'll do, I can sing, you know, but I thought it's kids, you just can't do any show business. Do you know what I mean? You could do let it be whatever, but it would, it would be somehow wrong. And I called Lindsay and said, well, you call the choir master and see if he's got a chart on silent night. And and she come back, she said, they do, and they have the cop, they have the choir. Yeah. And so it became like, we're going to just do that. I knew Phil Hemsbury put the great lighting designer. Yeah, and it was like, so they do it,

and then they say live from New York, and it did not work at Dress. And I went, okay, now this is where you have to work. And Martin told me to start because he was watching me. And he said, you were so puzzling with it while you were giving notes, like, what is it? And then it's dipped black. Just dipped the black, that ends.

And then the kids being happy. And saying, live for New York was completely understandable and forgivable. It was, you couldn't bleed the one into the other. y decir que el año de la York era completamente understandable y lo que se fue que no se le pudiera ser el primer. Y eso fue como, oh, y ha hecho esto. Y como, no, pero cuando se lo hicieron, lo hicieron, lo hicieron. Pero también, es que puedes hacer esto.

Y encontrar en ese lugar, ¿no? y lo que te puedo hacer. Y lo que te puedo hacer. Y lo que te puedo hacer. Y lo que te puedo hacer. Sejmentar tu público entre muchas cosas más adivina menos y vende más con intuity mail sim. La marca número 1 en email y marketing y automatización. Empieza hoy mismo en mail sim.com. Vas a vender a tus públicos de marcas competidoras en número globales de clientes en 2021-2022. Paul McCarty. I thank you for introducing us. No, I am the he's, you know, I think he doesn't get credit for being a rocker. I mean, I think the cliche was that John was and he was, you know, said my vote.

But half the rock, you know, JoJo, that's Paul. Yeah, and he helped his scouter. Yeah, he helped his scouter. But I think that he suffers from a good problem in a way too many great songs. People here let it be in Hey Jude. They don't hear here and everywhere. And she's leaving home. He has so many melodies that you can't even remind people. Yeah, and when people criticize him because I, you know, you're very good friends. I go, no, he's Mozart. I don't know what I'm going to do. Just stop it.

Yes. Great melodies, that, he's Mozart. I'm going to go on with him. Yeah, I'm going to just stop it. Yes. Great melodies, that's who he is. And someday you'll get a perspective on it, but it's really... And I saw his last concert at the metal loans. And what was interesting was like three hours. And you know, I mean, things you thought you would see for sure were in the show. It was really well thought out and fresh and brilliant.

And about 10, 15 minutes before it ended, started to rain. But this is it, you know, the metal ass. No one moved. You know, everybody just sat there. So the once in a lifetime. And you go, and it was the last time he was going to perform in America anyway. And it was just magical. And for me, it was, I mean, love me do is I'm a freshman.

Yes. You know what I mean? So that's part of entry. And I think it's all, you know, in the stones I saw in London the summer to just phenomenal love them. Yeah, and it's just that thing of there You want them to be that Yeah, you don't need them to you know, and if synod from is saying Yeah, you want to hear summer wind. Yeah, yeah, but I do think that get back the documentary kind of couch-pull

In a better light. I think there's a little bit more understanding because he could sing all the harmonies, he could play all the instruments, and he could write songs. So it makes sense, as you might say, fingerprints would be, he'd be collaborating with Ringo. He'd do to do. And I do to do that as a joke of preshing. So the guy goes in and he goes, he's walking along, good to do, good to do. And then he's doing it and get back to George Harrison.

Yeah. Well, just do, good to do, good to do. And then he's doing it and get back to George Harrison. Well, just do a good, good to do, do, do, do. And so the boy genius kind of thing and Lenin was off on his own journey at that point, but. And also that in the concert Peter Jackson gave him a clip so he could sing with Lenin. Yes. So you realize how young Lenin was? I know he's just 28. I know. And you just go, oh, it's heartbreaking. Yeah. And Paul was when I was watching

on the rooftop, when John was doing, you know, his song, don't let me down, Paul is so engaged, not sinhoku at all. And he's doing this incredible baseline and they're smiling and laughing. And for all of us Romantically because of what they meant to us. We want John and Paul and for Paul his favorite part of the thing was them Joking around and laughing because that's what I want. Yeah, that's how I want to know. Yeah But you know time heals all wounds. Well, don't you have that with the cast? Yeah, did you were with a thousand percent? There you could we could run into anybody of our time.

Well, also, sandlers in the middle of it, churning them out. Do you know what I mean? And as always, and you just go, Roxanne is living on a couch there, you know? Yeah, suddenly gets into, you know, gets in the deep. Yeah, Rob talked about them getting famous, and then all of a sudden we had girlfriends. Yeah. And there was some thing, a who thought of Cantori, Rob talked about them getting famous and then all of a sudden we had girlfriends.

And there was some thing, a who thought of Cantorie, the one where I had victorious legs over my? No Cantories, who really wrote that? But you're right, it is like being in the Marines or something, not literally, no, don't send me letters. But yeah, you see a castmate even running into Tracy Morgan, he goes, hey, alum, you know, there's a, a spirit of core. I also think, I think Bill Murray said at once, you just can't explain what it's like being out there, looking to the eyes of somebody else who's in that same scene that is, it's maybe not working, or maybe it's working way better.

And you're going to have to have Patlin. Yeah, yeah. And, or working way better than you thought, the sparkle, just that contact of being in that heightened reality with that level of intensity. You can't really explain. And I'm sure pro athletes have that. I think it's, you know, dancers have it.

Which is another great thing about the show is that you started having non performers host the show. I guess you had pro athletes in the 70s, but that's a reality show on itself. If the pro athlete is bombing or killing, it's just a pro, you know, Michael Jordan's going to try to be a sketch player. Fran Tarquinton. Yeah, you had 70s. But also I had Ralph Nader. I had a lot of people that I just admired. And so it was very smart.

For his entrance, he was getting off the elevator on eight. And I said, I think if you were eating a hot dog, that will help. Because he was so, but I don't need no drugs. I know, I know that's, that's why I think it will work. Part of the concept being sort of start. Oldman straight man. And he got the laugh. And it was like, you lit up exciting.

Yeah. It's three days. They compete. I mean, paint manning. I mean, they give each other their own council. And they, you know, was, oh, he had one. Yeah. He was, he was fantastic.

I was a huge fan, but it was just like, you could call people and I'd say, okay. You know, I didn't know, Bill Ross. You didn't know who watched the show, because we were mostly in eight age. And then you go, oh, they're watching. Yeah. Yeah. And Wayne Gretzky was so charming. I had Broadway Crawford was in some FBI movie.

Oh, yeah. The Broadway Crawford. And I go, I called him and I said, he was living in Ohio. And I called him and I said, we're doing the show. And it's called, yeah, I think I know it. Yeah. So you'd have to be here on the Monday and that, you know, be this and I'm trying to reassure a man

who just not need to be reassured. And he said, all right, send me the ticket. And he gave me the ticket for the plane ticket. And they're put in ticket for the plane ticket. You know, the airplane. What I'm getting at is people just volunteered to come, you know, from Robert Mitchem, Charlton Heston. Robert Mitchem had one of my favorite monologue lines about live and it's so dangerous. And you don't know what could go wrong.

And he said, I thought, what's the worst that could happen? I won't get that 119th movie. Yeah. And he landed it perfect. And he was so old school. He had a half gallon of Jack Daniels and dressing room. He's so fashion movie star. Yeah. Incredible to be able to have that too. Walken is magic. Yeah. Walken, that, you know, with Cowbell, I think I was just there doing a guest shot and that thing hearing Walkin' come out and they'd more cowbell. I mean, it was so, the cast, I mean,

I knew that Will had done it before, but once you got Walkin' and then Will, that's why it's just iconic. Yeah, no, and also the continental, which he used to do. The continental, is that what I was in. It was an actual show that he would see. It was a local, local New York 15 minute show

where this guy was on and he wanted to do it. So he knew it perfectly. Connie was kind of in that single camera ball. Yeah, it was it with like a white glove on. You never embarrassed it's a funny. Embarrass as well. Was that a fake story? Well, it was Chris were walking at the meeting.

Yeah. And we all went around pitching him and he's kind of staring up in Christopher Walken and then you said, Chris, and I remember him saying this in specific. If you remember, he just said non-sequitur, best suits of funny and best as well. Bear suits are funny and then he thought, and bears as well.

I just thought that was the greatest non-sequitur. It was easy and Lauren probably goes, write it up. Write it up. Put you in a bearsuit. But that was the thrill of being around him. He was such a stuff. Yeah, but there were a lot of people that you were either surprised or could wait to meet

or whatever. And John Goodman could do no wrong. Alex Baldwin was like, my third show was Alex first show. And that was the green hilly. And it was, he did the mimic. He did all these. One of the things that I love, great.

But this is a Wayne's world thing, which you'll remember. I'll tell you. He was doing green hilly. Green hilly, I remember green hilly. You guys were in the conference room waiting to see me about something. And Frank was that waiting.

She said I can't remember what I was doing but Frank said out loud. Can you match what would be like if we had a really good looking guy? Oh boy. Yeah. That was not cool. Both Dan and Mike were like, I looked at each other. Well, I thought Mike was more Dan date, but maybe I was too. I never can see, I mean, I didn't have a chin. I can't be, I have a limit on how good looking I can be without a chin. Now I've got this, the ladies like.

Oh, he got a frenemy for that first show. Alec was kidding, every sketch, and it was, he came out of Humphur out October, and I was just like, I went in the meeting going, oh, this guy's a movie star. Like, I always do. And I remember Victor, did I interrupt you? Just a Victoria would say the second time Alec came in,

non-sequitur, Victoria, like on a Tuesday. I'm not gonna do it again. Not this week, I'm not gonna do it. And I go, what are you gonna do? I'm not gonna fall in love with him. I'm not gonna fall in love with him. And then by Friday. I fell in love with him. But'm not gonna fall in love with him. And then by Friday. I fell in

love with him. Yeah, get me. Yeah, get these eyes and you know, you just, you know, it was a lot of fun. And, um, you know, there was so many home run hitters on that when I got there and all the writing and the smiggles and handies and we talk about it all the time. But it was just hard to, uh, Lauren actually hung in there with me because it took a while to get my footing. I was trying to write and trying to write for you. It's hard, right? For other people. I was just to stand up. So it's just to get it going and then got a little Hollywood minute and got some stuff.

And just thank God got in there because it took me longer than most. And yeah, because one, he was in there too. Yeah, that's right. You were going to get those parts. Let me let's go through my diary. I'll show you. David was it behind me. I said David's on deck.

David, ready? Dana looks tired. You're like, no, I look bad. I'm reading something from Huxley. David's ready whenever you're ready. David, you were punny the first time I met you. Truly. I never, never a moment where I didn't think it was going to work. Yeah, and you're last two years.

But at that time I was. Have you seen cast members? I mean, there's so many that audition. Yeah, I mean, you couldn't say, I guess if you felt like someone you missed on or someone, I'm sure there's some that just obviously get famous later. I think what happens is if there's no slot, do you already mean it's something?

We don't think what you do, then it's really hard. Actually, I think Nick Rell, we talked to him and he auditioned and he was, the first one that made sense to me where he goes, they had me, because they had every move I do, and there's just, I'm an extra. So I'm an extra guy. Well, he looked at me and I'm Sam Berg and Bill Hader

and he looked him off and he goes, and we talked about the packet. It wasn't personal, it was just, it could three years earlier, it would've worked three years later, but he was like, even really good. I mean, really, really funny. So that's just the way it is there. And when we're auditioning, we don't think that we're just saying, oh, we want to be on. And when Rob and I came on kind of writer, performers, or maybe just writers, I mean, no one tells anybody anything. So Bernie just said,

they just go there. And also Rob is doing making copies. Oh yeah, if I don't end. And somehow that just caught on. Yeah, yeah. And you don't know why it catches on. But yeah, and then you run it into the ground. And then we run it into the ground. It's just dang it.

It's just dang it. The jealousy hit a all time high when sting came on, looking like a stud and then we're stinging like a ding dong and then he go, you want to be in cop machine? He's like, yeah, I'm like, God damn. So it just, you have to sit in sidelines and go, good job. And you go, what am I doing here? It's taken coffee. Yes.

But you know what? And you can't argue with it. It's funny. It was original. No, no. That's a great music. That was a great writer. He's musical and he can write and it was so fun to be around these movie stars that are nervous and scared about going into musicians or you're staying.

I remember we were doing the elevator sketch and he's in we're in between and goes, how's my hair? How's my hair? He's asking me. You know, it's like, and they're really vulnerable and I got the, you know, I told Michael Jordan, if you space out, just read it off the card. It's a very fascinating part of this. They're just flailing, they don't know what to do.

They're scared and if you get to talk to them, they don't know that we're lowly writers. They're like, what do I do here? And I'm like, are you talking to me? I don't know what the fuck's going on. Jeremy Irons. I remember his show. Oh, and then it was Saturday,

but the Oscars were the Sunday. And he was nominated for Best Act. Oh, wow. And I knew him from a play he'd done with Mike Nichols and he was a great actor, obviously. Yeah. And they were doing a Sherlock Holmes sketch. I won't name the writer, but they're like

in their teaching of an English accent. You know, like, no, no, it's more this. And you just go, you know, and you just go, well, you know, he's one best actor in the world. But you just go, are you think, but the passion and blindness of comedy writers, you don't even have like, no, you don't get it. It's like this and so confident,

but performers have witnessed and felt death out there. So they never were confident because they actually know the job, but writers are like, no, come on. You know, and I remember George Meyer, when they actually know the job, but writers are like, no, come on. You know, and I remember George Meyer when he was on the show and he was so dying. And he would just, you'd sort of see himself throwing his body against the wall, at dresser.

So when someone blew a line, you know, and that's why animation works better, you know, because they, because they, they, they, they, they, they do exactly what they're told. But performers can either give you that exhilaration of like they took it off the paper. Now it's this other thing that will always be that. Yeah. As opposed to you got the laugh at the end of the lot, you know, I think I was doing a courtroom thing as Johnny Carson as Johnny Cochran or something and Smigel had written it and he's

putting all these birds and things on me. And it's 5, 4, 3 and it's a cockatoo. I go, Robert enough! I can't do that. Robert is relentless that way. Which we love him for. He wants to be performing. Well, he loves to perform. Yeah, but we had some great collaborations together. He was good with rhythms and, you know. So this new season. Uh-huh. Excited. How was your, I mean, you're pulling up your socks, you're feeling good, you're just eyes wide open.

I think we, you know, it was, you know, we had, we ended the season with good buys, you know, particularly Cates and easily said it. And Pete and so dealing with that, it just had that validictory thing, which we did with Christian Wigg as well. We've done it a bunch of times. Yeah. And it just you just slipped out into the dead of me. I am. I'm brave and I'm burning. You gotta go now. You're sick. Are you'll never go.

No, I don't know why I did that. I, you know, a lot of people on this, just anecdotally without naming names, kind of like go, why did I leave? Because some of them left voluntarily. And why was I so angry? And what was I thinking? And for me personally, I had so many inputs coming at me.

I got too hot, too big. It's like Mickey Rooney in the Twilight Zone because it went world and all the political stuff. So I was sort of inputs coming at me. I got too hot, too big. It's like Mickey Rooney in the Twilight Zone because it went world and all the political stuff. So I was sort of lost, but yeah. But I was envious and thought it was sweet when people got a little send off, it's sweet. Yeah, and also I think there's something about, it can't be everything to show.

And it is for so long, but if you're ever gonna leave, you know, and so. You have to leave at some point. Yeah, but it also that, you're never gonna feel that intensity of that, because it's its own sport. Do you know what I mean? And you're in whole pillars.

It's hard. Yeah. I would just said common. It was great people, great actors, and and I go this is just not the same It's just not as tough and people writing for me and I go this is unbelievable and also it's all as it was all risk You know like there's no safety net and there's also no Guarantee there's a good work on it. Are you gonna or you gonna be on? No, like you're walking through the hallway And it's like 21 and they go and it's like, 21 and they go,

and you're in your outfit and they go, gap girls is cut. You can't put on the air. And you're in the dress. I already made it this far. Go back to your room immediately. Yeah, anything that's cut on it, that's the tough. Because that's, that's again, there's no guarantees.

And now we tend to play some of those. Oh yeah, I guess you play some ball. We play dress, or you can play. Doesn't Saturday Night Live, I think I read this, gets yeah, I guess you guys play the ball. So you can play. Well, doesn't sound like live. I think I read this, gets like, I don't know, almost two billion YouTube views. Isn't it number one? It's YouTube foreign.

It's huge. It's most beautiful. Oh wow. And what's happened is, Lewis Hamilton, the risk hard drive, was at a party last season. And he thought he said, well, I grew up watching the show show and I go to England. How do you watch the show? You know, I you forget that it's it's all online and people and then I think when they see the contemporary stuff Then they go back and look at the you know the shows from yeah, and there was a period

About 15 years ago when writers coming in who would not been alive for the first, you know, five or 10 years, we had a server where they could just go on. So sometimes people will watch two or three shows before on Tuesday night before they start. But I'll use an example. I'll say, well, I think we did that with Bill Murray. And then now I look out into a room of like, okay, all right. I've talked to you about 45 years ago, like so it's a, I think peacock probably has all the gold ones maybe. It's all, everyone has it on the laptop.

I mean, every sketch, right? Because when I was there meeting John Malanian, Bill Hader, I'm like, oh, what do you guys want to do? They go, we like Mickey Rooney. When I do Mickey Rooney, like, really? And they brought it up immediately. And Bill, you know, when I've talked to Bill somewhat seriously about his time there, he was frightened.

He talked about the picket. And I go, it's so interesting because I'm pretty good at reading that stuff. Yeah. But he was so good on air and so original. And I mean, he auditioned with Vincent Price. Yes. And who does that?

And James Mason. Now they were in my childhood. And things got cut to Oklahoma later. But it was just a so original and right away. And you know what I mean? And Vinnie Pedurchi and all of that stuff. And you go, such a original comedy voice. Yeah.

We know what else he can do, but he was truly funny. So good advice. Oh yeah, his rhythms and the Vincent Price thing, it didn't even matter if you knew Vincent Price. Just that his party's being ruined and it's being very, trying to pull it together. Well, okay, thank you. And it was Tote, I don't know who was coming to.

Tote feels. Tote feels, but he said he was just, you know, almost in tears in the bathroom and on 8-H, you know. I had, you could, if anyone wanted to see, church chat, my hand was drenched in sweat, you know. There's a lot of controlling, and adrenal, and you don't know. my hair was drenched in sweat. There's a lot of controlling and adrenal stuff.

And you don't know. Five seconds before you still don't know whether it's going to work or whether you, but there is that thing that brings out the best in you. And when you win, you really can feel it. Well, you can't, there's nothing like

the first big laugh to relax you. You're just not relaxed. And the very first time I said, well, isn't that special, I got such a big laugh. I finally went, ah. But also, there's a period in which they like, you know, you probably have three or four years or they just get a laugh at whatever you do

because they think you know more than they do. And they're just so excited to see you. And that's been happening for the last 10 years or so. You just kind of feel in the room. And I'm going, I don't think that's going to play and they're going, of course, it's going to play. Because these guys, it's those people doing. There was once when we were in the Monday meeting and I thought, I don't know if we had

like a dry spell, but I was in the Monday meeting and the hosts who shower in remain nameless, but I go, I think Mike and Dana are more famous than the host. And you know, the casket's so big sometimes like that and they're so well-known. And we always, I mean, you always have, to this day, huge hosts and great people that come in from all areas and Kim Kardashian did a great job and that was sort of out of the blue. And just that's great that you keep doing that and something's working there with A, they all want to do it still and get that one thing because they hear about it. And all walk away going, it went too fast and it was too great and I, if I do it again, I know what I'm doing this time.

But also hosting everybody, you know, there's 150 people, they're all there to make you look good. So you're the center of it and it's just a different experience. Unless you're Steven Seagull, you believe that. Mm-hmm. It's a compliment. My favorite host. So one that, you know one that you guys started, which was kind of interesting,

having the women play men, because that wasn't happening. Yeah. And that just sort of happened to organically and Kate McGinnon did a lot of men and other things. Was that just sort of happening with it? It's just a new flavor.

I mean, if you're me, you're always gonna go with the funniest take. So it doesn't gender isn't the issue. Right. Who's got that boy? Okay. I had the audience in the Palmer hand. I think that she was so great. I think she played Sean. She played Sean. She played Sean. Which was, and she was furious about it from. Yeah. That's not because it's like they're having a woman play you. Yeah, that's a big because it's like they're having a woman play you Hmm, oh wow, yeah, very old old fashioned male. Yeah, I think at some point he liked what Alec was doing He did and no, I think at the beginning maybe in the first five seconds. Yeah

Well, it was just unique because we knew that Alec obviously didn't favor his politics And then he started to not like Alex, and it was a public thing. And before it was sort of hidden if Darrell Hammond's doing Al Gore, and it really knows his politics or whatever. So that was a new kind of flavor as well. Yeah, and also we did things that we wouldn't do now, with Juggernaut and playing Linda Tripp or whatever, you know, like so.

It was just, yeah. You know, and I think you sort of standards and boundaries change. And, you know, things that you could do, you know, Frank and did a, Frank and always stretch the envelope. Yeah, I think it was with Germores and Julian Bond and it was about, it was a Gerr Morris and Julian Bond and it was about it was a black talk show and it had a line about That lightskin black people are you know smarter than dark

It's Frank hello You know like what and but what I'm getting it is we could then There was no malice in it. It was just like that thing of what can't you say? In regular TV world. Yeah, yeah, I like when anyone gained seven pounds the next week Farley was playing them Yeah, I was like he is jobless. It was always brutal. I used to say this thing about when you guys were filming, could you wrap and throw on them? I was down there doing the show,

then I'd come up and whatever, but I'd say, I'd see Gailies. And your way of handling stress was, you know, you'd have a banana and whatever. It would be like that. And Farley's would just be to continue. You'd lose weight and he'd gain weight.

But the weight in the frame stayed the same. It was always a constant, never seen it. And I always look normal. Yeah. We'd go back and forth from Toronto, Eric Newman on the flight with us. Where's his? Are you going to ever write a book, Lauren,

because Megan Markle did that? No. No. I think the hard part is, you can't tell the truth, you don't want to bury me. Yeah. And also, I think then, would it be my, did that actually happen? Do you know what I mean? You know, you have to cross check yourself too. Well, it's just to go your memory.

I have a good memory sometimes. Incredible. Well, what did that actually happen? It's 100% because Dana and I even would tell stories and we would disagree and I'm like, God, you're right. And I go, I remember this whole time a certain way and it was not.

And it's just something that happens like that so you just don't know. Yeah, and that's why that you all that stuff in murder trials. It's like the people swear they saw this person leave and know they didn't. And you just go and yeah, then they execute you. You know, we don't know. It comes at taking credit. I think it's a normal human thing to kind of trend your memory towards favoring yourself.

Yeah, a little bit. But you wanna cross-check it with other people. Am I remembering this right? Like was there a horse on the show or a horse? I hate H. Yeah, yeah, lots of horses. Because during dinner, I questioned. Was over in my cubicle arranging things

and I saw Keith Richard walking by himself Walking up to the horse and he held his horses head and his hand he said look at you. You're a fucking horse That's I swear to God. That's what he said and then he just went back to his dress me and but I was saying Did I remember that correctly there was a horse? I was when Mr. Ed died There was a course. First of all, we get it was when Mr. Ed died. It was a news story. And Chevy could do Mr. Ed's voice.

And so he, yeah, exactly, Wilbur. And he, we got the horse in the studio and then he's interviewing the horse in the last interview, you know, and he'd be doing both parts. So when, when the horse was talking to you, you know, and he'd be doing both parts. So when, when the horse was talking to you, Chevy, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Must have killed. Shavvy. What horses, giraffes.

We had monkeys. We had a camel about four years ago. No, maybe longer now. Uh, and it got up. No, maybe longer now. And it got off, every camel works at Christmas. That's something that we can hold together. We're at work. The major thing. There was, they lied about how big it was. The Kenyam owners like Kenyam.

They're scary, they're scary. So he came off the elevator and then the hump, you can call it it hump, right? Yeah. The hump got stuck in the tiles. So tall. So it was just stuck. There was no getting it there.

But we're on there. We have to get. So I think they got a dog. He made it look like a camel. It was like that kind of. It's an amazing job. It will marry punched Chevy or is that a fake story for me all day. They got into a fight. They were probably. And John I think provoked it a little bit.

I love John. It was probably my mistake because I was bringing Chevy back to host. But it was a season and a half after he left and Which has made sense the musical guests on that show was the very young Billy Joel and they got into skirmish just in front You know by the page and and

And then I've had come out into the model. Wow. So it was like Both six foot four basically, so it was just a The show was sort of white hot and it was John Always felt in Lemmings which is the time they'd worked together before. John was the star and Chevy was not. And so, and was like sort of third-billion and Chris, you know, uh, it is involved in that show too, Chris Gast, and you're going to go, so there was already like, this is how we see you

and then uh, Kevin Kavik's book. But Chevy is such a monster. Also because he said his name, you know, an update. Right. I'm Chevy Chase. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and he's big dude. Great. Look and dude. Movie star by then, right? Come back. I was tell me when I run into chip, we're going to have Chevy on the podcast. I tried to compliment him, but sometimes he doesn't know, he's a little, but I tell people

if you wanna know how great he was, is as a film actor, look at Caddy Shack, where Bill Murray is in his full prime groundman character with the mouth off of the side, and they're together going through this scene, and Chevy does his buster Keaton, or whatever you wanna call him, how still his face was, and then his physicality.

It's like a master class in comic film acting. He gets beat up a lot and people forget what it seems like a movie actor and story. You know, I mean, just it's a thing. It was it was like such a huge thing. It was like such a huge thing. Yeah. By the end of the first season, and it was like way too much to handle and it became particularly hard for he and I because we wrote together. And so we were very close. And so it was heading in two different directions.

And then he became a movie star. Sure, that's saying ever since he kind of, even when he would come to host, he'd say, don't leave too soon. He wished he'd done more seasons, because that was that. It was a, yeah. Emotionally, he wasn't ready to leave. And also he was, that other thing,

really proud of what we'd done. Yeah. With the show. And then he had to see it still be huge. Yeah. And well, brothers and yeah, when listen, when at the end of the first season, I went three Emmy Awards, one for a Louis Talman, Richard Pratt, I think I'd done the year before. Nice. And Richard Pratt, who I'd work with, we had dinner at Dantanis, so you know, we were, you know, feeling pretty good about ourselves. And he was offered a three-picture deal at Universal and he said, this is what we wanted. I mean, comedians did not get movies.

Right. You know, and it was like, and I thought, I've just been through my championship season. It's not going to, I wrote everything I ever wanted to write all, you know, at least twice in that season. So it was like, you could, you could get off stage now. And, you know, wow. And I went, I can't do that. Everybody else has to stay for five years, you know, it's that. But I think that if you'd said to me then that I would be still doing it, and that I would have found so many other things that were there that I didn't know at the beginning, not part of the original design or whatever, a thing is that it grew into or that it, that it, or that its influence would be just as strong politically as it is.

And keep discovering super talented people and being launched from your show to have careers. Also, they kind of find us now. Yeah. And the 70s had to go out and recruit, but I think people. Yeah, sure. I mean, I like to stay in a lot because there was, there was a time there, like, obviously, we were on. If you missed the show, you had to get the rerun six months later.

And if you missed that, you had to catch, it was luckily on the best of in the summer. But there was a time there when people hadn't seen some of the old ones. And then it was on the each channel. And then now you can see it all so it's interesting It's like Emma Stone grew up on Best of Guilder out there. Wow those sort of best of you know, like all those best of you're in them I mean, but we stopped doing them because the VCR thing Right wasn't really YouTube, but people wore those out. I think Kate McKinnon had one of those.

One of the last ones probably. Oh, best of all. Yeah, like three movies. Yeah. Well, Lauren, we'll take a 20 minute break. And I'm just done the part. I just, I just want to thank you for doing what we didn't talk about.

I didn't bring it down. We didn't. There was a. No, do you want to know? No, I'm good. I mean, but it that we were there for a lot of that a lot of big ones Yeah, two of my bandmates for sure. Yeah, I was just a Kettleyn Island, and that's where Phil's ashes are It's a John at the Memorial John Love Itts. Yeah. Kind of. What do you do?

He's just talked about that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but they couldn't have been closer. Yeah. You know, that sketch, which is a groundless sketch, that we finally did. Yeah. Yeah. What's the word on the street?

What's the word on the street? They were doing the gangster thing so much before we premiered with the first show. Remember Dino Mino? It's one is they do anything else. He was like, how are you doing? I want to you. What are they saying? What do they say?

You know, they just did it spastically. Love it. Still so funny. I see him. And in three migos, I did it with them. That was that. Yeah. Yeah.

That's right. Yeah, but John is, yeah, he's, he's super did it with them. That was, yeah. That's seeing, yeah. That's right. Yeah, but John is, yeah, he's super naturally funny. He's a, you see him? Do you see John? I do see John now. Talk to him a lot. He's on the road or he's at a hotel with Jerry.

Jerry is dog, Jerry. Brought cover and you know, he's just, see, there's only one John. He still is so, he's talking to the Lord. One of the most naturally funny people. He is really. And where did that come from? People like when they see him, they all know him.

He looks exactly the same. They all come up. I love him. He came back to play somebody like three, four years ago. Mm-hmm. He had a cold opening and he destroyed it for us. And I said, John, you've got to make sure you're on your mark before you go.

You know, like that. And he was just off camera. Just slamming that camera. The live audience was going nuts. But you know what I thought? Heart breaking. Because he's still all natural. You know what I mean?

Right. So that's the moment he felt to do it as opposed to three two one get to my spot and then do it. Yeah Heart room would have been on camera for sure. Who? Heart oh Phil was I mean his binder was so meticulous his office meticulous He was in so many sketches and then he would just in between Takes are when we're rehearsing he would just be looking at it ever I could believe he'd look at something else like you're not a good boat and his plane He had a white.

Renaissance person. Yeah. Yeah. Buzz, Mark. Yeah. All right. Well, thanks, buddy. It's been great getting to know you guys.

Yes. Nice to meet you. I really feel like I know you now. And no, thank you for doing this, Lauren. Goodbye. Hey, what's up, flies? What's up, please? What's up, people that listen?

We want to hear from you and your dumb questions. Questions, ask us anything. Anything you want. You can email us at flyin'thewallatgadens13.com. We have a question here. Great. Who will take over for Lorne? How will the show adjust and move forward?

75 people ask this question. Yes, 75 plus. From the same email. We get a lot of questions. This is the question we get a lot. Okay, I would say we did touch on it. I don't think he's going to want to talk about it because it means retiring.

And I don't think anyone wants to retire. I don't know if he can handle the stress or if he wants to give it away or if people will say, oh, ever since Lauren left, it's just a great excuse to say all the show. We did and it was kind of a joke, it's sort of serious. We offered ourselves up to take over as co-producers and Lauren's eyes got real big and you just went,

right, right. And I said, or we could just take the money and we do nothing. Just get the credit and then stir that credit and then work at the podcast. And just see if it does. I'll say it on its own. Philosophically, I've talked my head. I do think it's stuff to replace Lauren because he works in so many invisible ways. And that is the relationship with the bosses. Because I'm for years.

And we touched on this, but I don't. They're complicated. They're always when the shows range. They're down. Sorry, I had a little nip. When the shows ratings are down, they want to change it. They want it. the shows range is, they're down. Sorry, I had a little nip. When the shows ratings are down, they want to change it. They want, it's got to be taped or you can't. Lauren was so vigilant about keeping that exactly the same. That's why you go back. And it's a little bit creepy in there. Because it's like going back to high school. It's cool. Now, the only different now when you

go back is all the photos when you walk down at first hall, are all so historical because it's every big star doing a big sketch and you're like, whoa, all right here. Yep, all the history of almost 50 years. So I don't know, you know, there's names, there's Tinafe, they're perfectly capable if she wanted it. Steve Higgins.

There's Higgins, there's Downey, there's who wants the job, who can handle it. Remember Appetite, I talked about it. Yeah, he's a producer. I mean, you know, Appetite could do it. Maybe he wouldn't be as close up to the show so he'd get some resistance, but he knows what he's doing. Ornick over is such a young man. It feels like it needs young.

And yet, the show is already adjusting, just culturally. It's evolving. You know, when I was on there, there was like six cast members. Now there has to be 620 or 25. Well, they were 600 for a while. Okay, I'll ask you a question, David. Who would be the biggest surprise you could think of that would take over for Lauren? I have my answer, but Syriores.

They're all so offensive. They're so offensive. Why are they offensive? Because it sounds like they don't have a good career if I say they're new. Well, the other becoming executive producer. Okay, what's yours then? I'll decide. Yeah.

That's it. I'm producing now. You? You're in the cold opening. Do you know what a cold opening is? It's the beginning. No, that was my joke, you want. Maybe you should try acting.

So that would be my surprise one. But the truth is, nobody knows. It's three years from now. And the 50th is. We did talk about the 50th. And Lauren has not announced his retirement officially at all No, it just feels like 50s like, you know, it's halfway to 100. Then why are you pushing me out the door? I

Just want your couch. That's why I told him. He's got popcorn. He's a popcorn guy Tootsie tootsie rolls Well, we actually don't have an answer for this question petering out but we don't like to stop talking so thank you for asking and the answers we don't know we could have said three four minutes ago we don't know instead we were narcissists and we like the sound of our own voice so thank you seventy five past we want to cram all from the same email address you know who

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