Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Marc Maron

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

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with iGaming Ontario. You know, when I'm on the road, Dana, I'm always pretty much staying in hotels, but there's been a shift to Airbnb and you hear about it all the time. Hotels are fine, they can be great, but Airbnb is a great alternative, you know, because you get a lot of choices on where you can stay.

Oh yeah. It's very practical. I mean, hotel can be like, oh, like when I go on the road, I go, that one's, the closest hotel is a half hour from the gig or something, but you say, oh, Airbnb. You just go, oh, I wanna go a little closer. I wanna be in this area. I want a swimming pool and I want this. Yes, and I famously have said many times a place

we used to go, my wife and I, to get away. And we stayed at some really nice hotels, but then we found this Airbnb, which we used, I think, three times. It was always spotless. The keys are outside in a little padlock and they used to have a bottle of wine and a note and you have a kitchen and it was very, very nice. The benefits of Airbnb is that space, privacy, better locations compared to hotels. You get to pick how close you want to

be to wherever you want to go. You're traveling with family, your friends, you're on your own. It's great. Okay, we've got Mark Maron, Dana, who I see a lot of the comedy store, comedian, obviously a huge podcaster, one of the OG podcasters that had always, you could always hear, he's still going with it, but you know, it was all the big names, all the interesting stuff.

And I see him do standup all the time, and I run into him a lot lot and he's a good dude. And we were just curious about like, he and Rogan on a few others kind of started in like, 09, 08, 09, a podcast. And when it was just like a caveman with no audience and who would do that? And then it grew to this behemoth

and he got President Barack Obama on his podcast. And to do his podcast, he had to drive way up in the middle of nowhere and in the middle of LA. And so that was a big thing. So we do talk about his journey. It wasn't easy all the time. The podcast kind of saved him and he created,

I think he's done 1,600 episodes. He has a lot of stories and he's very self-winding watch. Like we didn't have to prompt too much. He really had a lot of great things to talk about. So I was into it and that hour blew by. So it went by fast. He knows how to podcast. He really told some good stories, funny,

and it was interesting. I keep listening. Yeah, so check him out. Here's Mark Maron. ["The Last of Us"] Yeah, all these glasses, I got other choices. I got better ones. Are you in the same house?

You're in the same, you have not moved. Since you did it since it looks familiar This this is a different house But this stuff behind me probably looks familiar because all this stuff from that original garage is in this room Are you in the same neighborhood? You don't have to tell us your actual Send you a send you a link to a map where everybody drop me a pill. I already have a map your house That'll be for it's called after talk. Anyway, me a picture. Well, I already have a map of your house. That'll be for, it's called Aftertalk.

Anyway, whatever. No, I'm in Glendale. I was in Highland Park. I got it. Yeah. I like that place. The old place? Yeah, I mean, it was casual and cool. You had guitars and cozy.

I still got all that. A little more spread out. Before, it was like, that was less than a thousand square feet, one bathroom. Like if you had to go to the bathroom, you had to go into the same bathroom that I use. I live in a very small house. Everything you own owns you back.

I'm not into it. You occupy a house, you live in your body. You can't fuck a house, you can't eat it. I think you can't fuck a house. It really just depends on where you enter. I saw a thing on 80 about it. I think you can't fuck a house. It really just depends on where you enter. I saw a thing on Haiti about it. Comedians don't laugh. They just think. What about the guy that married his car? You know, I just want to, I want to start the podcast this way. Every comedian knows this about you. Ah, where were you David? When you heard that Mark Merrin has Barack Obama on his podcast?

Because that was like, what the fuck? Because this was early days of podcasting. Right. I remember being blown away by that. I think most people were still kind of like, what is a podcast exactly? Where do I got to go? Yeah, totally. It was 2012, right?

So it was nowhere. 16. It was 16. The number of people that used to come to that old house would drive up to my driveway and literally say like, where are we? Is this part of LA? I've never been out here.

What are we doing? Yeah. I can't believe you got him out there because I can't believe you got me out there. I can't believe you got Todd Glass out there. So Obama was a bigger one. Yeah, Rich Voss was right after Obama. That was tough to get him out.

Yeah, it gets hard sometimes. Was it a ratings drop so much you pulled a muscle? We just thought it was appropriate to just continue what we were doing. All right. We did one episode where me and my producer discussed the day of having Obama on the podcast and we went right to Rich.

And I, you know, Rich is gonna pull what he's gonna pull. It's, you know, somewhere lower middle. It's okay. Well, Rich is no offense to him. I was just laughing, like whoever has to follow Obama is just gonna be a tough sledding. That's all I'm saying. That's right.

I don't know if he thought about it like that. Rich is a good guy. I don't think he gives a shit. So everyone had a podcast now, like that. Rich is a good guy. I don't think he gets a shit. So everyone had a podcast now. Like literally, so you, it's you and Rogan, right? 2009. So I guess there was, it was really like Corolla was there. Rogan, I don't think started at the same, I think Rogan started a little after us, but like Jimmy Pardo was there, Benson was probably there, maybe Hardwick was like starting out, but I think Rogan started a little after me,

but there was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing podcasts. You know, Todd Glass is good at not making money, and I think he had one early, he's a good friend of mine. Right, with Jimmy Dore. Yeah, so that's a was there. I think what happened with that was he put in all that work and was very forward thinking and I think got out right before the money maybe, or does he still do it? No, I think that's Todd's whole plan in general,

is to try to get ahead of making the money. Yeah, that's kind of, what's funny is I used to think a podcast, because he had it at my friend's car shop upstairs, which he just rented, which was perfect. It was perfect. Yeah. And the odd thing about the whole undertaking was none of us really, there was really no money to be made. You know, Adam was like doing his radio show. So he was kind of subsidized somehow.

Did he get fired and said, okay, I'm just gonna do it on here kind of thing? There wasn't a 97.1. Or he got fed up, mad about something. Something like that. Yeah, he was, whatever. He was all worked up and you know, he was going to take his stories about, you know, drywalling from 20 years ago elsewhere. He is a handy man. He's good with a tool. I got a little bit of a tsunami warning because I remember I thought Corolla's, I think I went on there a little early, where I was like, before the real podcast thing was sort of hitting, which it was sort of a slow, I could get a feel for it before most people,

because everyone else has just got their head doing their work and they do normal jobs, but I started to go, oh no, is this something? And then I said, I'm gonna wait until it's a little late, then we're gonna try one. So that's what I was thinking. But the good thing about when you guys got in is somebody realized like, hey, you guys have names,

you can't lose. Before, it was like, who the fuck are these guys? We found a way to lose. Well, good for you. I don't think anybody really realizes the excitement in when Corolla was the only game in town. I think there's a sort of baptism when one goes on to Corolla's show

to be talked at by Corolla. Right. That's a good hour of entertainment where you're there as a guest and he talks at you and then says, okay, well, thanks for coming by. It's something to be experienced. We're working on that. Room for everybody. But did you have a eureka moment that you could call back on like, holy shit, maybe there's money in this. Cause how long did you do it essentially for free before your

trillionaire arrived? Hold on. I'm watching my cat throw up. Don't eat plastic. Did you have a urethra moment? I did when I peed last night. I'm checking celebrity net worth, okay, anyway, so. I don't even know if that's right. Well, well. No, I'm kidding, I didn't check.

What happened was, there was, like at the beginning, you either had, if you were gonna put up a paywall, you couldn't get new audience, right? So, we had done a radio show. A goodbye wall. Yeah, goodbye wall. No one welcome. Let's put up a goodbye wall on ours, Dan.

You can do it. Well, that was before the, what is it called? What's that thing everyone does where they can get a pay page Pantheon or what is it? Oh, Raytheon. We all don't know. Raytheon or Pantheon. You know that.

I know what you mean. Patreon. Patreon. Oh yeah. So what we did was we had like two advertisers from the old radio days. It was sex toys. It was like Adam and Eve sex toys.

And we had. Crazy Eddie's electronics. That kind of thing. But then we had the coffee sponsor. But there was really no way to make money except for the old school radio way. And then ultimately we started working with old timey radio ad people. And then Jeff Ulrich and Scott Ackerman put Midroll together and the Airwolf Network. And that created a platform to get advertisers into specifically podcasting. So everyone sorta came up together,

but it wasn't until I guess, hey, Charlie, get away from the plastic. Charlie, I'm gonna throw you out, stupid. So that's how you talk to a cat, by the way. Is that your tech? Yeah, that's my producer. That's your IT guy. I don't know, it was a slow going,

but the great thing about it was everybody kind of came up together, sort of like show business. Everybody was kind of figuring it out as we all went along and then big money got involved and then some people won and some people did okay. Come on. Dude, Charlie's here now. Charlie, give me that plastic.

Hold on, let me get him out of here. Let me get him out of here. This cat is magic. Honestly, put him on Glendale freeway. I know Heather here's a cat. Well, I can't just fucking get out, you can eat plastic and throw up. I don't care, it's showbiz, Heather.

We gotta get Charlie out of the room. But yeah, I mean, it took a long time to really get it together and then to make a living. It took years for my producer to come on with me permanently. He was actually had another job at MSNBC while he was kind of moonlighting and he couldn't even admit that he worked with me. Because... There's a non-disclosure. He couldn't...

Oh, I see. Yeah. It was part of his contract with MSNBC and I felt horrible about it because he's doing half the work And I and I just had to be like well. I have a mystery guy that Helps me with this I send it into the ether once or twice a week. It's good more attention on you. That's not horrible Yeah, yeah, sometimes not for it. Not great for me Hmm. What's the headspace like like when you first start doing this doing this, I guess when it starts to emerge, you're starting to be successful. And you're going, okay, I did this interview,

I get this many, this reaction. I do this interview, holy shit, this is 10 times 10X. Well, I think the exciting part about it was, as the podcast situation grew, I was doing a type of interview that not many people were doing anymore. The entertainment press realized I was doing most of their job, so we got a lot of attention. But I was really focused on having these conversations and trying

to make amends where necessary. I think the first 100 episodes are me just having people over so I can talk about my problems and apologize to them. And that's, and it's weird how many times you do that and people go like, I had no idea what you're talking about. And you're like, I'm a fucking idiot. So that was how that unfolded. But the excitement of having Robin on, because that interview seems to be like the only interview

like that. Like when he, when he died, it was everywhere because he only interview like that. Like when he died, it was everywhere because he never talked like that. And those kind of rare conversations definitely happened. That was interesting because you did, it became very, very real with Robin and he never, he had made amends to me in Mill Valley on a sidewalk just after a show.

Yeah. And I didn't know why. For a bit he just stole? Sorry. I just said to him, he had some idea that I took, I said, I tried to do you, you don't understand. Yeah. I had a trunk of props.

I worshiped you. And I don't know if it was from AA or something, like, oh, this wasn't supposed to go this way. You know, it's supposed to be a hug, you're forgiven. But I didn't, he thought I had a thing where I named my dick Mr. Happy, and that he took that from me. I know that's not true.

I never did Mr. Happy. Look where this goes on podcast. That's hilarious. That was the amends? It wasn't even like some personal affront. It's like, I know you might have called your dick Mr. Happy. And, oh, that's the best amends I've ever heard in my life. He said it to me 20 years earlier at Dennis Miller's wedding. We were at the same table.

I wonder, perhaps I got Mr. Happy from you. And I go, no. And then it tortured him. It stuck with him. Well, the funny thing about that interview is I drove up there to Mill Valley to his house and what I realized it was the same with Mel Brooks is that if they don't have more than two people to play to, they're not gonna turn it on like that. Like it was just me and Robin. If there had been one other person there, they would have had the Carnegie Hall set.

Yeah. My dick's name is Mr. Sad and a side note and no one's stolen it yet. Oh. Okay. That's all I wanted. Go ahead. My dick's name is, you got this.

You got it. My dick's name is, come on champ. Come on. My pronouns are, what's up motherfucker? Yeah, there you go. Call for the van. Dana, it's the season to shop new styles, electronics, Yeah, there you go. Call for the van. Dana, it's the season to shop new styles, electronics, and definitely a holiday trip.

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That's R-A-K-U-T-E-N dot C-A. So you get successful. I want to do a deep dive on you. Yes, but you're brand of authenticity. Did you guys run out of SNL guests? How did I get this gig? No, this is good because you- No, your story of SNL, just a quick answer, David.

When we interviewed Lorne Michaels, I listened to your podcast about auditioning for SNL just to get ideas of how Lorne is in that environment. Yeah, he really... You are an SNL guy. Your journey with that is fascinating if you want to talk about it for a minute. My obsession with it. What's your question, David? I'd like to converse.

This one, we can do this first or SNL first, but mine was, why did you start it? Was it only to make amends? Was that to start a podcast? No, because I was kind of down for the count. It turns out that 50 Conans don't necessarily- Don't add up to a Carson. Don't add up to a- 50 Conans?

An audience. I was gonna say, I saw 50 Conans on here and I was gonna say, does that bump your road? Does it, you know? No, it didn't. 50 Conan's? I don't even know.

Like I could, I never could pull an audience and, and, uh, you know, I was, I was going through a divorce. I was in a dark place. I just gotten fired from this radio gig. Uh, well it was, it was a streaming gig for Air America. And there were a couple of podcasts out there and we were like, well, let's figure it out. I talked to my producer, who I've known since he was a kid, 24 years old, he worked with me forever.

And we just figured it out. But it was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow. Because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, B comedy rooms as a non-selling headliner and, you know, maybe. I know, I know. I have friends that are in that mid-level market and there's cruise ships and old boats homes and clubs off label clubs out in the Hinderman. I was doing what you gotta do. Tough.

But I couldn't do it. There was no way I could have done it. How am I going to do a cruise ship? I can barely do like what? I don't know. But because of the podcast, because of the cosmic timing or what, everything that I have now came from that. Like, you know, doing the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy,

acting gigs, everything happened because of that sort of act of desperation and Hail Mary Pass, which had no future. There was no, I wasn't getting into a business that was like, this is gonna, we're gonna really make some money on this. It was like, we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it. Yeah. You were like Bitcoin we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it. Yeah. You were like Bitcoin, like no one cared. No one cared. I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't even a meme at that point.

Yeah. But it worked out. I mean, you know, thank God it worked out. I don't even, I can't even explain it. Cause I don't, I'm not like a big, not a big think, I don't think about money, David. Yeah. Oh, you don't.

I like having it enough to eat. Yeah. You know, like that's, that's the, that's how my brain works is like, well. Yeah. Oh, you don't like having it enough to eat. Yeah. You know, like that's, that's, that's how my brain works is like, well, what do you have money now? What do you do? I can eat wherever I want. And ceiling money, money is freedom. That's what it's for. Even the great Neil Young, uh, about two years ago, finally sold part of his catalog. He said, and this is Neil Young, you'd think he'd be so rich,

but he said, now I can do whatever the fuck I want. I don't have to tour if I don't want to, that he bought his freedom. So money to me, especially as an older comedian, you wanna be able to work the way you wanna work. So that's true. The interesting thing about Neil Young is he really, he kinda held back on what seems to be about 50 records he never released. So he somehow or

another, he can release records every year or so, you know, from 1970. And it's amazing. If you're spending three, four million a year, then you have, you need a lot of money to cough that up, you know, but why was he going to ask you about your library? Cause is it 1600 episodes or something like that? Yeah. It's like about 1600, but Neil came over once that was, that was interesting with Neil. Oh, you could interview, Oh, you had Neil. What's he like? Tell me about that. I didn't hear that one. Well, because I, you know, I'm, I'm enough of a fan to know enough about him. I'm much

better if I'm not a big fan of somebody in terms of interviewing. And I didn't know what to expect. He was out pushing, remember when he made that, he partnered up with a company that made that thing that was supposed to compete with the iPod. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sound, he's a sound fanatic.

Yeah, well I forget what it's called. It was something else. No, it was like a box. Yeah. Like a portable box. Oh, what was it called? So they send me this thing and they send me these fancy ear headset

and it picks up a bigger spectrum of sound and people have to rerecord for it. But what was it called? Doesn't matter. Greg, look it up. They send me the thing and I listen to it. I'm like, all right, whatever. I just want to, I'll talk to Neil Young.

So they send me the thing and I was told that like when they get there, you're gonna have to give it back. And I'm like, all right, whatever. So Neil Young's coming over and I'm nervous because it's fucking Neil Young. And like, I know that with somebody like him, because I'm not a huge fan, every Neil Young nerd in the world

is gonna be listening for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something. That's something I've learned with guys like Springsteen, these guys interview. So Neil comes over with his like 80 year old posse. He's got two guys with him that must have been in their 70s. Elliot, his manager who passed away and another guy. And Neil walks in.

It's always the manager is even older than the old guy. Oh yeah, yeah. Except for George Shapiro who was Carl Reiner's cousin, younger but still old. I don't even know if he's still alive. Was it called Pono? I think he passed away. Pono, yeah. Pono, yeah. Pono, yeah.

Pono music, digital services. Yeah. So they come over and Neil walks in and you remember the house. You said it like it's just two rooms. He's looking at my records. He looks at a guitar I have out. He goes over and he plays the guitar and he's looking around and I say, all right, so I guess you guys can have back the Pono and the headphones and Neil just, you know,

just those, no, you can keep them. So I'm thinking, I'm in, this guy likes me, right? So we go out to the garage and I decided the way to start with him is just, I have an old amplifier that I think he uses one similar to it. So I figured that'll get things started, right? So I get Neil out there and I'm like, so you probably recognize that amp there, right?

He's like, nah, I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, fuck. And then it was just, well, he did though, but I didn't know, no one told me he likes to fuck with interviewers. So he's making me work my balls off. And it wasn't until I got him laughing that it opened up, but it took like 15 minutes and it was like, it was hard.

But then like all of a sudden he pops open, he's talking about doing Pilates with the Daryl Anna and all this stuff is coming out. Then apparently he goes home and at his house, Dan Rather is waiting to interview for Dan Rather's podcast. I don't know. Access or something. Whatever that was.

Yeah, Cable. And my buddy Brendan's friend works for Rather. And apparently Neil Young walks in and he comes from my house. He says, I just did a really great interview. And Dan Rather, off camera, of course, says what made it great. He goes, the guy was fearless and he wasn't afraid to fail. And I'm like, hey, that's good. That's a good blurb.

Wow. But he tested me. He definitely tested me. Wow. Shit, I would freak out. That we had, we had Dave and I, a similar thing with Paul McCartney. And I don't know if you have,

or with your personality, but podcasts regret. Like, why did I interrupt him then? That was the best part. Why did it take me so long to get there? And I'll be kind of in my head, really, for a couple weeks sometimes. McCartney bothered me for probably a month. What I get is like, fuck, I forgot to cover

the most important thing they're known for. But I interrupt all the time, and people sometimes get on me. But it's like from, but for me, it's like, it's gotta be a conversation and I have to be part of it. So suck it up or don't listen. But McCartney was funny. I had to interview him in front of a crowd and that was really one of the best

moments I've had talking to somebody. Because I talked to a lot of these guys who are like, you know, pushing a record. And, and, and a lot of them like Roger Waters or like I've to a lot of these guys who are like, you know, pushing a record. Yeah. And a lot of them like Roger Waters are like, I've interviewed a lot of Thomas Dolby, whatever they think that the record they're out promoting is their best shit. Right. And it's like, all right, I'll play along. So so with McCartney, he's out selling. It was a Capitol records, it was an event,

but the record that he had had out was Egypt Station or something, which no one bought. But I said to him, I said, so Paul, a lot of artists who were in your age group, they really think that they're doing their best work now. Do you feel that way? Without missing a beat, he goes, well, I was in the

Beatles. So that's a pretty high bar. It was so funny. That's, that's, he's very, and I was the guy that told them that Manson had died. He didn't know. Huh. I think for, for me, there's a lot of us. How, where are you on this? I mean, for, I, I wanted to ask you musically, but also movies, but with music, what is there a guy, somebody you haven't had yet or who is your true North star? Was it Springsteen? Was it, well, Roger Waters, Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon. For me, Paul McCartney of Beatle was kind of the appeal.

Peter was great. And I met Ringo recently, who I'm sure you've met. He's a pretty sweet guy. No, we would love to interview Ringo. Yeah. I met him at some odd listening party that I got invited to by T-Bone Burnett of Ringo's new country record. And that crowd was pretty interesting,

to see these like 75 year old hippie girls who are still kind of hippie girls, but they're 75. Yeah, yeah. But- Wait, who had the country album, Ringo? Yeah, just put it out, yeah. Yeah. T-Bone Burnett? Yeah, just put it out, yeah. Yeah. T-Bone Burnett produced it.

And I think he, now Beyonce did. I think she got a little more press. But, um. But no, for me, the North Star, I had most of them. Springsteen wasn't, Springsteen was funny because, you know, and I just saw him because I did a bit, a little part in that movie they're making about him.

But I went to Jersey, dude. I went to his house in Jersey, like Christmas week, and he just put that book out. And you know, it turns out he's a very dark dude, very hard on himself, but all this stuff. But like, you know, he's got this thing he does publicly. That's the other trick getting around people's public personas because, you know, he's got this thing he does publicly. That's the other trick getting around people's public personas. Cause you know, Bruce is sort of like, Hey, me and the guys went down this boardwalk. And so yeah, he wrote a song.

Yeah. So we know about all about that. Yeah. Yeah. It's a standard bite. I get there and like I said, he's up in his house. I'm waiting in some sort of like a like this other structure that's got his guitars, his motorcycle in it. And I'm waiting for Bruce and he, yeah, he has no idea really. I don't think who I am because he's walking down, he's walking down from the house, his publisher and publicist said he should do this one and he's walking

down from the house. I just see him coming down little Bruce. Yeah. And he's holding the book and I'm like, Oh, he doesn't know what he's getting into. So he sits down and I'm just trying. I want to break the ice quick. Cause again, I don't, I'm not, I love Bruce, but I'm not a huge Springsteen fan. So, so I said to him, I said, uh, so, uh, so what's going on up in the house? We had a preparation for the holidays, cooking and presents. and he goes, correct.

And I'm like, can I talk to that guy for the whole hour? Whoever the guy that just went correct with that tone, I want that spring stick. And well, how did you, did you do that? Did you achieve it? Yeah, yeah, I kind of reeled him in because by inserting myself into the conversation, Do that. Did you? Yeah, yeah. I kind of reel them in because like I by inserting myself into the conversation, they kind of they're forced to kind of reckon with me unless they're complete douchebags like Ben Kingsley.

So and I don't mean to name drop, but I know I love I love sexy beast. Yeah. Fuck dude. Unbelievable. It was the worst interview like I should have told him to leave. It was that bad. And I don't know why I didn't, because he's hung up on being called a. Sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir,

sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, sir, We don't have to do this. We don't have to do it. But anyway, with Bruce, I pushed in to the point where I was relating to him and his experience with audiences and stuff. I just remember there was this moment where we're talking about what you get from an audience and how it's not enough sometimes and he was like, of course it isn't. I had him locked into a real conversation, which again, I heard from another person. I got some notes on that too, because Paul Wilkenfeld,

you know her, the bass player? She's a little prodigy. She plays with everybody and she's- Oh, played with Jeff Beck at one point? Yeah, yeah, tall. Oh yeah. She hangs around the store a lot and stuff. Well, she was going on a press tour, tall, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. And she hangs around the store a lot and stuff.

Well, she was going on a press tour and she, I guess, was somewhere with Bruce and she was asking for advice on how to handle interviewers and Bruce told her that no matter what they wanna talk about, you just talk about what you wanna talk about. Just, you know, bulldoze. And then she said, well, you know, my friend Mark Marin interviewed you and she said, well, you know, my friend Mark Maron interviewed you

and he said, yeah, he pushed. Oh, that's good. Well, you know, I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would say that. He'd say, you'd ask him a question like, what happened with those maids? And he goes, this movie is unbelievable. He's like, cause you can't use anything but what he says and he doesn't even acknowledge your question.

I love that Arnold can never go negative. He had one movie, I guess, Last Action Hero. He's on Matt Lauer. Well, the box office wasn't quite, no, people love the movie and it's a great hit all over the world. And you know, he can't ever go negative. But the best dance he does is around his dad, probably being a Nazi. That's, that's a great dance. Cause he'll always preempt that with like, I have many Jewish friends, like, okay. He taught us the salute.

For us, it was just, if you want a candy bar, you do the salute and he gives you a little chocolate in your hand. We didn't know what it was about. And things like this and all these things and these people and what they're saying and all this stuff. All this stuff.

I love listening to him. Has he ever talked about that, mate? We love Arnold. He has a relationship with the kids, you know, and I think you, after a certain point, you just kind of focus on that because whatever the transgression was, he's owned it and, you know, he's good with the kids. So we got to keep him. Once everything came out and then he finally goes, all right, let's go bench.

In the chaos, like trying to meet him in the middle. Like I work out. You're my dad. Look at my face. Yeah. It is what you can run from that kid. You have to move on. It's a lesson.

I mean, one of my brothers, I've got three older brothers and we always say, what would Arnold do only for the positivity of it? It is what it is and you have to move on and I love everybody and it rather than negative and whiny, but it seems to me like anxiety is like a theme or depression of artists in some ways. So you go with that. Did you cause Springsteen's old book is about that. Oh yeah. Well, that was the great thing about talking to Arnold is that he won't let you with that. Cause Springsteen's old book is about that. Oh yeah, well that was the great thing

about talking to Arnold is that he won't let you do that. Like he's got a switch in his head. Like he won't even hear it. Like, you know, and he's very charming. Like he, you know, like he, you know, he gets on, he sits down and he goes, look at your pecs. You know, I'm like, you know, like, he goes right into it.

And you kind of feel flattered. You're like, oh thank you. I, yeah, I have to work it know, he goes right into it. And you kind of feel flattered. You're like, oh, thank you. I have to work it out. Somebody skipped the dealt day. You know what he said to us? Mark, he goes, how do you guys stay so lean? You know, because you're little. And the whole thing now is to get little because the little dogs

live longer than the big dog. I'm literally quoting him. You two little dogs interview me. You're so little. The whole time, he's not even listening dogs interview me. He's so little. The whole time he's not even listening to our questions. He's just staring at our physique going, mmm. Look at that rib cage.

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Todd Phillips convinced himself that he was actually an artist of some kind and decided to take this interesting cinematic risk that, you know, uh, you know, failed miserably apparently, but, uh, I didn't see it. Did you? I heard about it. I couldn't get through the poster. I didn't see it. I just, I heard about it. I couldn't get through the poster. I didn't see it. I just, I couldn't take when I...

The... No, and I love Todd Phillips. I think that's one of those things, as I backtrack, I think it's one of the things where great movie, Dana was about to say some comments, but the same thing, great movie. And then it's just crazy if you can do literally anything you want.

And he just goes, let me just try, this will work or it won't work. Well, the interesting thing is he had a, you know, he'd rebuilt a good franchise possibility by really exploring that character in the first one. So cool, so weird and cool. And you know, it was, I don't know, he was nice to me and that was an exciting day

because you know, I got to do like a little scene with Robert De Niro and you know, I thought that movie was pretty good, that first Joker. But who the hell knows why, you know, he's a gambler dude, you know, he just is like, you know, fuck it. Sure. Let's do it. And yeah, I don't know. What's his net worth?

I mean, he has freedom, I think. If he got a back end on the hangover. Dude, he got a back end on everything. He's like, I think known for going a director's fee. Super back end guy. Yeah, for a high percentage of the back end. But that scene with De Niro was like, that was a great moment for me because I know that De Niro's not, he's not gonna remember me. I'm just one of those guys that he's met 100

guys that do two lines with him, right? You're forgettable, yeah. Yeah. And I know it's painful, but we're chatting and whatever. But it's one scene where But we're chatting and whatever. You know, it's one scene where we do a walk and talk, you know, and I'm supposed to be like, you know, his producer. Those are hard, by the way. They are kind of home. It got cut out. But but you know, Todd's there and Bob's there.

And it's like, you guys just want to go. You ready to do it? I'm like, yeah, let's do one. So so we do this walk and talk. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, let's do one. So, so we do this walk and talk and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, and then Phillips goes cut and I go back to my chair and I see Robert go to his chair and I see Robert walk over to Todd and then walk back to his chair. And then, then Todd walks over to me and he goes, hey, you're coming in a little hot. Oh my God.

Remember Bob's your boss. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I got it. But you got to appreciate the fact that Bob handled it correctly on set. He wasn't told the director like, hey, you know, I think he said, you know, he's not really him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He said all his name again. What's his name again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will you tell him, tell Mr not really... Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's in over his head. What's his name again? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will you tell him? Tell him, tell Mr. Marin. Yeah. Yeah, I had a girl say it to my face. Yeah, come on, Bob.

She said, it was just an, I did an old movie and then I had to kiss a girl, I won't say who. I had to kiss her and I said, hey, before, and I don't know, I've never done this on camera. Like, she goes, just kiss me like I'm your girlfriend. Just anything, I don't care. And've never done this on camera. She goes, just kiss me like I'm your girlfriend. Just anything, I don't care. And I said, all right. So I just kiss her, not crazily, I just kiss her,

but I touch her cheek and kiss her, and they go, cut, and we're all like, okay. And the director comes up and she says, she's not even one foot away from my face. She goes, can you tell him not to touch my face? Wow. And him was me. She did the correct way.

She told the director, but I just ran, made me think of that. Cause I was like, I was horrified. I'm like, oh, cause you know, kissing someone is so too, it's so scary. And you just don't want to do it. That's interesting though, right? That's interesting because she said kiss me like you're,

my, my girl, like she's your girlfriend, but apparently the intimacy of the hand touch was not something she anticipated, or maybe she just has never had a boyfriend that she let touch her face. Yes, and I wasn't like a super French-a-thon. I was just trying to like give her a little mega, you know, just to open, you just kiss a little bit.

It's nothing crazy. It's a cute little movie. Nobody gets hurt. You never know what's gonna happen with those things. So you kissed Bob De Niro. I got like camera work. I did. That was off camera.

That was crazy. You go, hey, I'm ad libbing. Yeah, yeah. I'm improvising. Can we improvise? But were you scared? I did a quick scene the old days with William Defoe in my very, very old days in a part that Dana turned down

and during SNL and well Paul Schrader was the director and I was almost sick from nerves because I'm good and William Defoe super cool did one scene same thing he wouldn't remember in a million years but of course you get your nerves just ramp up mine were it's De Niro it's still no matter what it's totally, no matter what it's De Niro. Oh totally, I felt okay about it, because I don't know, like I think I'm getting better at acting,

but the benefit, I talked to Wilhelm de Vaux, not a great time, not a great time. Not a great time. I don't know if I said something. We've had some toughies on here too, some were toughies. Yeah, I don't know if I said something to piss him off, but it was like, come on dude.

You know, it's like, just roll with me, for fuck's sake if I said something to piss him off, but it was like, come on, dude. You know, it's like, just roll with me. Give me something. Fuck's sake. I gotta look at your face for an hour. So. Yeah. Pfft.

He's got a lot of character in his face. He's a great character. It's not a negative thing necessarily. It's intense. Not necessarily. It's an intense face to stare at for an hour. Yeah. But no, in terms of nerves, I think doing the podcast helped me a lot in humanizing

these people. Because like, you know, after a certain number of celebrities you talk to, you're like, wow, they're just people and some of them, you know, aren't even that interesting. So knowing that, it's true. And it's not a bad thing. But I seem to qualify a lot of things. That's not negative. I'm not negative.

No, it's positive. The qualifier. Mark Maron is the qualifier. What happens when you go, hey, Bob, if you ever want to buzz over to the Glendale, why don't you pop in and- I'd like to talk to him, but he's one of those guys I can't get.

There are certain directors- He's got the chatter though. That's not probably against you. He's got more chatty. He's got more chat. Who are we talking about I missed? De Niro. Bob De Niro.

Oh, but like in terms of nerves, I was more nervous when I had to, I just did an Indie where I had to play the lead. And that was a real, that I was nervous about that because, you know, I knew I had to carry the movie, but I'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors and I was nervous about that because I knew I had to carry the movie, but I'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors and I was pretty confident. Then I had to do a scene with Sharon Stone and it was

a life-changing terrifying thing that was amazing. I was nervous to do a scene with her. She's intimidating. She's a big star. That's a big star. And I was nervous to do a scene with her. Yeah. And, but- She's kind of intimidating. She's a big star. That's a big star. Big dude. Big star.

Yeah. It was crazy. I think I got to save the story for when and if the movie ever comes out, cause I told it and I don't want to necessarily spoil anything, but she did the movie because she likes me and it's one scene and it was great.

And Lily Gladstone was in it. Alan Ruck, Michael McKean played my manager. Oh, love him. Yeah, what's his name? Jason, is it Jason? No, it's not Jason. Sadekas? No, the kid from, oh, now I feel bad.

He was so fucking funny. Silver spoons, Bateman? No, you know the one that used to do the Apple commercials was involved with Drew Barrymore for Justin Long. Justin Long. Oh, Justin Long. Funny bucker that. Yeah, I like him.

Oh my God. So fucking funny. But I was nervous about that, but I just did the best I could. That's all you can do, right? Does anybody call you after your podcast? Who has asked for the most to be taken out? Don't people go take this out, take that, or do you say no? No, no, I'm not call you after your podcast. Who has asked for the most to be taken out? Don't people go take this out, take that,

or do you say no? No, no, I'm not in the business of sandbagging people. It's not our jam. That's our business. Well, that's good. I hope I gave you enough. Sandbag, you gave us a little sand. Not enough for a bag.

But almost always, I would say always, it's only because they said something about somebody else that probably couldn't have even been taken in a negative way. It's never like them. Yeah, like just like, you know, I didn't have to say that about, you know, we're kind of friends.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It comes off funny and then later they go, what if they get mad or what? Yeah, yeah, and people do get mad. Everyone's talking too much. That's the problem with everyone having a fucking podcast is like, you know, actors are just coming out with like, well, 20 years ago, it's like, oh my God, we can't get out from under this thing. No one's shut up.

I see ones and now it's like full sex life. They, people just can't have nowhere else to go. So now it's like, right. Here's exactly my life. Here's about my plastic surgery. Here's about here. my camera into my plastic surgery, into my kidney operation. What are we doing? Yeah. Or people talking about moments they had with people like 20 years ago. Not even that. Just like awkward moments. And it's like, why'd you even have to do that? But some people are like, it almost seems like they're making up horrible things because they're running out of content.

I know, I know. They have a big announcement and you're like, it takes, it happens to be your 100th episode. Well, we know what would trend and get pick up, you know. I don't, I really, I don't. You never really know what they pick up. Sometimes you do an interview and there's no thing. Sometimes you just surprising, but if you have someone on and they're being very revealing and you know that you're getting a scoop, they have not talked about this like Robin, you kind of, it's going to trend.

But it, but it, they've been on five podcasts by the time they get to us. Right. Well, no, that's a problem. But with Robin, there was no, trending hadn't happened yet. So, and it was quite a lot of hoops to jump through just to get him to do it. And, you know, it just worked out because I was a comic and I'm also like a dark side. And there was no one else there that we got this conversation.

And thank God we did because it seems to be the only one. He literally talked about depression, addiction, suicide at the end. Both him and Jonathan Winters did riffs on suicide at their NDB interviews. And Jonathan Winters, that was crazy. I went to Santa Barbara to talk to him. How did he pass away?

Jonathan Winters, he passed away in character, which is weird. So it's not clear whether he really dies. He was actually maw-frickered and they buried him in the dress, which I thought was inappropriate. He's a guy that my dad used to tell me now, this is common, and he was funny.

And then when Robin was like, oh, this guy, but I couldn't appreciate it growing up. I just thought he was funny. I didn't know how good, you know, you can never really tell. I thought they were all those characters. Like, I thought this seems real. What Jonah Winters did was very specific and very detailed.

It was not just ad hoc. He was out there, dude. He was like out there. Like it was, there's a, I had a beautiful moment with him in his house. It was, and I always tell the story. I don't know if it really lands. So that's a good setup. Uh, yeah, but give us the unlandables. Okay. Well we're, we're at his house. I'm already in, I'm all in because it's John the Winner's and you're talking to him. I love him.

He's got this sort of weird childlike thing that in his house they had moved his bedroom because he was kind of hobbling around with a cane and he wore like a Union Army colonel's brimmed hat. But we were walking down this hallway. He wanted to show me what he said. I want to show you the planes. What that ultimately was is that he has this four-poster bed in this bedroom,

and hanging from the ceiling are all these model airplanes. That's the destination we're heading towards. But we're walking down this hallway, past just the pictures from a career in show business. There's Jonathan Winters in every star you could imagine. And then he stops and he points to this old ass picture of this boy with a puppy. And he goes, I miss that dog.

And I was like, oh my gosh, you know, like this whole life of, of entertainment. And that's what, you know, the dog, he's a little kid. Sweet, right? That's supposed to be sad. David, that's kind of interesting. I know someone who had dinner with Dan at Danny K's house. Yeah. And he was very quiet during the dinner and they're letting everyone out. And it's the same kind of thing. Hall of Fame wall, Danny K.

Pitcher. Someone asked one question, then it was two hours photo by photo. Here I am with Jack Benny. Here I am. Here I am. They were watching us. Have you watched any of those like not the not the the Dean Martin roasts, but there's footage somewhere. I don't know where I found it. Some streaming service of actual priors club roasts, but there's footage somewhere, I don't know where I found it, some streaming service of actual Priors Club roasts that were done.

Oh yeah, I think so. Might have seen one. It's always the same guys and it's not a great day, as Henny Youngman's always there, and they literally have him on, and you can tell the reason they have him on is just because he doesn't roast anybody, he just does his horrible jokes.

So they just have him on to bust his balls. What was so interesting about so many of those is just how horribly unfunny some of them are. That's funny. The one who always got me, and I'm curious about old timey, here we go again, was always as a kid was Don Rickles. The best.

Just the funniest and dry, like weird, no joke, like get out of cookie, put them in the corner. Oh, yeah. Pack them in ice. He doesn't know the show started. There's no real jokes. Right. Ever. It's just the camera goes. And the sense of mayhem that he doesn't know exactly where he's going. Yeah. If you wrote it all down, you couldn't find a funny joke in there. Look at this, is it?

Did that suit come with two pairs of pants and a hockey puck? What does that mean? It sounds like a joke though. Johnny, Johnny, the show started, okay. You know, funniest fucking guy. Ed's over there going, oh. Yeah, that's it. He was very funny.

Give him a cookie. Give him a cookie. Yeah, the funniest line he used to live, when he did those roasts and there were some of the old Hollywood guys there like Cary Grant or Jimmy Stewart, he would say, Jimmy, I talked to the family. You're doing fine. That's so funny. I know.

You just can't beat that. Jimmy, do you know where you are? Yeah. Do you ever see that, that the Clint Eastwood roast? He said one of the funniest things and the most honest thing I ever heard, it was the best. It was one of those, you know, AFI big, you know, it wasn't a roast.

The tribute. So he gets up and he says, you know, he starts, opens with, I don't know why I'm here. I thought this was a tribute to Merv Griffin or whatever. They'd had a whole evening at this point. And he says, what a wonderful evening. He says, Clint, your son played bass. We sat through that. Such a rip.

So good. And everyone kind of laughs like, huh. They had a cut to the kids who took it well in the moment, but probably not great. And like that everyone was drunk was funny. They were like, he goes, oh, I had a few drinks back then. He's so funny. When that older Rick goes on Letterman

with Denzel Washington, that's so funny. What does he say? And look at the black guy over here. Well, he, no, it was a little post yet, but he, he just kept busting on Letterman mumbling. He just, he wouldn't let up on Letterman. Like Letterman opens with like, you and Frank have been friends a long time

and both your wives are named Barbara, right? And Rick goes, what are you a detective? Listen to this guy. Yeah. I've seen that. It's the best. That's so awesome. Yeah, those old roasts, the Dean Martin,

those are the coolest ones. Those are good. Yeah, they're great because it was like everybody in Hollywood, it felt like Hollywood was like a nice little town full of these special people. And now they just let anyone in. Have you been roasted on the- Any of these roasts. Comedy Central and or would you do it And now they just let anyone in. Have you been roasted on the-

Any of these roasts. Comedy Central and or would you do it if you haven't volunteered to be roasted? I don't mind being roasted. I had one of the worst nights of my life on the day of the Chevy Chase Roost. Oh, that's a famous one, right? Cause that was one of the early ones.

Oh, you were at that one? Yeah, I was one of the guys. And all I can say, I could say more, but you know, after that I was in a room at that, that fucking Hilton in New York with my buddy Sam, almost on the verge of tears thinking like, I can't do this. I can't do comedy anymore. I can't do it anymore. It was so fucking, I bombed so hard, so hard.

And I'm not good at that. I'm better at it now. So you roast Chevy. Does, and I think back then I was thinking, wait, this is the first roast I'm not good at that. I'm better at math. So you roast Chevy. And I think back then I was thinking, wait, this is the first roast I'm seeing where not everyone is great friends with them. So it's a very odd vibe.

I don't think they could have gotten, they couldn't get people. Yeah, we didn't know that back then. I mean, I just thought, I used to see Dean Martin and they go, hey, there's my buddy over here and you guys have buttons. But to go- Certainly any SNL people there.

And I had pretty good jokes, but by my nature, if I'm insulting somebody, I really mean it to, it's hostile. And I don't have the- By my nature. Yeah. I don't have the distance necessary to make it funny, but I had good jokes and thank God, they sweetened the fuck out of it.

But in the room, I tanked hard. And so did a lot of people. How bad it is. It's not a big crowd, is it? No, it was like 2000. The pain on Chevy's face watching it. He didn't want to be there. He didn't want to be there. Pain because it's it's always this what they think of me.

It's like me doing an impression of someone if they get upset. It's like, oh, is this what they think of me? It's like me doing an impression to someone if they get upset, it's like, Oh, is this how I'm coming across? It's the ultimate mental game. I mean, David, you did one, right? I did one. I wouldn't get roasted cause it's actually good money. You didn't ever got roasted, but you were the MC. I said I'd host one.

I don't even know why, because all you have to do is be in the vicinity and you're fucked, you know? Yeah. So, I mean, I remember that I found that out because I was watching one and they go, speaking of anal warts, Andy Dick's here tonight. And then they put in the crowd and they put a spotlight and he goes, wait, me?

I came to watch. I'm not even on the fucking dais. Like, I didn't know it's fair game. They're like, no, we know where you're sitting. We got a camera ready for you. We got 20 guys writing jokes about everyone in this fucking room. I got lucky because I was a host, so I was going to get it, but who came in at the last minute? We had a fallout and Coulter. And so afterwards, Jeff Ross said, you know, you

had probably the most jokes that you were going to get hammered with that you weren't ready for. And at the last second, everyone shifted those to Ann Coulter. And I was like, Oh, thank God. I only got some. They all sting. I hated them all. Uh, I'm not good at getting roasted.

I'm like, Oh, it's like a thousand stabs, you know, death by thousand cuts. But Jesus, Ann Coulter, that's like giving the evening cancer. Where were you? There's our trender. There's our trender. Thank you. She came up with her book and she was Teflon. She walked up with her book and just started plugging it. In fairness, I don't think she knew what she was getting into. She thought it was some sort of promotion. She brought her book up the day I said, and everyone's basically saying, hey, fuck you. It was pretty rough. Yeah. That's a diplomatic word for her. I can't think of a- That point is. Yeah. But Jewel was there getting funny jokes by Jewel. Anyway, overall it was

a pretty fun roast, and we can talk about some of this. I can take a shot. I don't mind getting hit. You know, I don't think I'm in the position, in celebrity-wise, to ever get roasted as an evening. But I don't mind getting... Here's a couple minutes roasting Mark Maron. Yeah. No, I have a glass jaw. I can't. I was out there going, and then I wrote it down.

I hate you now, I hate you now, I hate you. I don't read comments. David reads comments. Do you read comments about your podcast much? Are you good with that or are you kind of? I don't, I seem to be pretty disengaged from Twitter. I don't do the other ones that much. I'll look at Instagrams and occasionally,

I'll look at messages or on posts on Instagram. But I do get emails sometimes, but I got out of that because a troll that's worth this salt is going to really hit you where it hurts. So when you read them, the part of your brain that lives in the real world we and you know, when you read them, the part of your brain that lives in this real, the real world we live in goes like, well, that's just part of it. But the, the, the, the really, you sort of like, Jesus Christ, is that fucking

true? And then you've got to process that. I don't have, I can't detach from it. They land, but not for that long. Yeah. You know, I think I look to see if there's enough feedback, positive or negative, sometimes you can try to have constructive criticism. If they say, yeah, you're always doing this, or you always do this, or I wish you would change it. And then you go, God, enough people said that.

Something's up, you know, I have. But if it's just random, I get a lot of snipers just randomly, almost 100% of the time, if I answer them or I DM them just random, I get a lot of snipers just randomly, almost, almost a hundred percent of the time, if I answer them or I DM them and say, do we got a problem? I always go, Oh my God, I'm your biggest fan. Or they, they're nicer. That's right. That's right.

But some might just come kill me. So it's really a dangerous game to be honest. Do you listen to your podcast? No. Have you ever, yeah. Cause Conan told me a while back, never has heard an episode. So I took that advice because I would get too much in my head in the part times I hear it.

I don't listen to it. I can't watch my own special. He gives you notes. I can watch my own special. No, but my producer, like since we're still audio and that's our game, he's very meticulous, very brilliant guy. But the weird thing about not listening to the podcast

and only having memory of the conversation, that's fleeting. You can only remember certain things from conversation. So if I have a question about something I discussed with somebody, my producer has become like my active memory. Because he spends a few hours with it, and he remembers everything.

He's like, well, you talked to so and so about that. I have no recollection. And so I really need him just to be my functioning memory of these things. Yeah. I was just curious earlier today, like when we talked to guests and stuff, like for you, as consuming art or or like movies or are you into that? I mean movies or music or totally is

Patton Oswald we started talking about movies and he just oh boy. That's a that's a long conversation. Yeah Yeah, okay. We don't have to go. I don't know what you're you know, but I remember yeah, it was the killers 1958 oh yeah, it was The Killers from 1958. Oh yeah, here we go. Anyway, 2001 is space. Try to guess your favorite movie, okay. Hmm, that would be tough. Or your top, or a movie that you see more than once. Or that you would watch.

Bad news bears, yes, of course. Here's a question. If you could only watch one movie tonight, would it be 2001 or Planet of the Apes? Original. Those are my only two choices. What, did it be 2001 or Planet of the Apes? Original. Those are my only two choices. What did you let Padme Naldo get in your head? I know that's left over.

I didn't talk to the producer. I already asked that question. Okay. You give us two movies, three days of the condor or alien. Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, you kind of. I have to go with Alien on those two.

I mean, three days of the Condor is great, but I would imagine you'd probably get a little more, if you really kind of a favored Alien and didn't overwatch it, it could probably be still pretty jarring. Whereas three days of the Condor, you're kind of like, all right, I know what I'm doing. Not as jarring. Well, that's Matt's bad speed up.

Was that Robert Redford and who? Go ahead. Was it Faye Dunaway, maybe. Was it Faye Dunaway? Faye Dunaway. Oh. Condor, where were you, Condor? In the Pocket. I didn't know what that movie was about

and I watched it honestly a year ago. I always heard about it. Oh. It's a weird name. I'm like, why would I go to this movie? It's too weird. Fun, cool movie. I like watching movies. Alien changed movies.

Alien changed movies. Yeah, that was great. I've been watching a lot of movies. I'll go to the theater to watch movies. I like going to the movies because I'm pretty close to the Americana and I'll go see shit and I watch the old movies. I just watched The Conversation again

because I didn't really get it the first time. I should watch that again. Gene Hackman, 1975. Yeah, well, it would be you with the fucking Google. Oops. No, no, that's all here. Okay. Yeah.

No, but like I remember seeing it years ago and I was like, this is slow because I didn't lock in, but like Gene Hackman doing almost anything. He's amazing. He's kind of amazing. It's unbelievable. I talk about him all the time. Yeah.

That he's a freak. He was always laughing in his movies. There's never a bad move. Chewing gum. He's so great. Who's yours everything. I did watch the Tom Cruise movie where he's the firm. The movie's great and he's fucking crazy. Yeah, if you haven't seen the movie The Firm, it's like a sure fire great movie. Go ahead. It's like a Sidney Pollock movie. I mean, people don't realize that there are these movies that these geniuses made.

So that's a full on just because it's a Grisham book doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. I mean, Pollock did that movie and the cast was crazy. What crazy doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. Yeah, true. Well, what was the other one? I mean, Coppola directed The Rainmaker and that's another one that's fucking great. John Grissom book. Yeah, but that's like, it's Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Mickey Rourke.

Oh, I thought that was McConaughey. That's not McConaughey. No, that's another one. That was, it was earlier, but the firm is, the firm is great. Terry, Terry Keeney. Yeah. It's great. And Wilford Brimley, Wilford Brimley's the heavy. Oh, Wilford Brimley. He's unreal. So good. Yeah. It's great. And Wilford Brimley.

Wilford Brimley is the heavy. Oh, Wilford Brimley. He's unreal. So good. He's the heavy, man. How hobo. Yeah. It's great.

Gary Busey. All the names are so good in movies. Gary Busey. Good. Gary Busey's in it. And then what's her name? The genius actress. Triple.

Holly Hunter. It's not Jean Triple. Oh, Holly Hunter. Jean Triple Horn, yeah. Triple Horn. Is she in it? She's the love Triplehorns. Oh, Holly Hunter. Jean Triplehorn, yeah. Triplehorns, she's the love interest. Yeah. And Tom Cruise, being Tom Cruise. Fucking Ed Harris is in it too. It's an insane cast.

And Hackman. And then Hackman. Hackman leading the charge. Him trying to seduce his wife down in the Caribbean. And then she, and he knows she's conning him. I mean, he's effortless. It's just so fascinating to watch Dean Ackman in a movie. No kidding, dude.

But what else did I watch recently? I tend to watch, like, lately I've been like, I just wanna watch the beginning of this to get a couple laughs, you know? And then I'll be up till two in the morning watching the whole fucking movie. I watched the other guys the other night, just because I wanted to watch the beginning to

get a laugh from those two. Will Ferrell. Is that a car chase beginning? It's so fun. Yeah, that thing with The Rock and what's his name? Mark Wahlberg. No, The Rock and what's the... Sam Jackson.

Sam Jackson jumping off the roof. That is hilarious. And the two of them together, when Walberg focuses, man, he's good at comedy. I mean, he can do it, dude. He's good at a lot. He does a lot of stuff. Yeah. How's this movie with you and Theo Vaughn? What's that about? Busboys is a, it's a beating. We're doing it right now. It's tough. It's hard to do because it's small budget indie, but it's super fun because. Is it small budget indie?

Yeah. Well, it just does. We put it together. We put money in and we just said, we just want to go try it and then decide what to do with it. That's scary. Like, yeah, yeah, don't go pitch it. Don't go around. He seems like he's got enough juice.

I mean, someone will see it, but I thought Bert had had enough juice too to put his little movie over the top. I don't think it got there, but I mean, you know, people will watch it. People like Theo, they like you. What comedies are just live streaming now? When was the last big comedy? We don't know, we might do it straight to video. I mean, straight to consumer.

Straight to video, yeah. Straight to video. The 90s are calling. We're going out. It was. So old, that reminds me of like one time I was like, this is in the last five years. I was at the comedy store, right? And out of the darkness, like Steve Kravitz just emerges.

He's Steve Kravitz from San Francisco. Yeah. He's still here, dude. I saw him the other night. He's okay. You know, he's okay. Oh, good. He's funny. Yeah, he was funny. But like, I just remember he was like, it was like, you know, he's okay. Oh good, good. I don't think I know him. He's funny. Yeah, he was funny. But like, I just remember he was like, it was like, you know, he's 70 something now,

but it was just a few years ago and he's like, I don't know how the business works anymore. Like, hey, where do I send my tape? And I'm like, maybe to 1985? Maybe you send the tape? Maybe to the Denunzio brothers at the Funny Bone. Isn't that somebody? Yeah, it is. Somebody used to watch your, I used to send my tape at the Funny Bone? Isn't that somebody? Yeah, it is.

I used to send my tape to the Funny Bone, my half inch VHS, and they're like, they must have a pile of tapes. I'm like, it's been a whole day, are they gonna watch it or not? They don't give a fuck. Oh my God. I remember there was a booking agency in Boston

called Boston Comedy Company. Barry Katz used to run it out of the basement apartment in a building in Alston. And one of the women who would get tape submissions, and she was dating somebody like we knew, like we got hold of a couple of the tapes. And there's this one tape of a guy that's clearly in his basement or in his bedroom. And he's doing jokes and he's got a friend dropping a phonograph needle onto a laughter track on a record. Oh, wow.

So he would do a joke and he'd literally hear the needle drop. Oh, funny. And he'd pull back up again. That's a good idea. That's like an anti-cloaf. The analog lo-fi world. Yeah. Something charming about that.

Well, Mark, before you let go, I got to ask you about one movie and then we'll ask Dana if he has any wrap-ups. But you've been very nice to talk. I got to ask you about one movie and then we'll ask Dana if he has any wrap ups. But you've been very nice to talk. I see Mark at the Comedy Store now and then. We always have a little chat, a couple laughs and then we get our $48. We get the fuck out of there. And I, oh, someone said today that to Leslie, you were very, very good and they loved you in it and they heard I was talking to you.

So, oh, well that's nice to hear. I definitely, I did the work on that one. Like, cause like, I don't know, like I always wanted to act, but I know I'm okay at it and I got better, but I still never, I'm still like, it's not necessarily an exciting job. I mean, there's a lot of waiting around,

which makes me crazy. For sure. But like, I was trying with that movie, I didn't want to do it. And the director kept bothering me because I was still kind of fucked up. It was during COVID, you know, Lynn had passed away and you know, they were, the guy kept bothering me, you know, and it's, it's the role is like this kind of, you know, slightly beaten up Texan guy. And I'm thinking like you get, there's like nine, nine or 20 fucking cowboy

character actors who can get to do this. Why me? And you know, finally he gets through, he gets me on the phone. He's like, well, I really liked the last season of Marin. I'm like, oh, so you do like me. All right, I'll try. And I told him, I don't know about the accent. He said, don't worry about the accent. And then I realized like, dude, if you're gonna do this, you know, take a risk. You know, no one's gonna see this movie. It's like, it shoots in like two weeks on film out in the desert here.

So I worked with a dialect coach. And this is funny, you'll probably get it, Dana. Yeah, you will too, I guess, because it's just a reference that no one fucking gets. But I'm talking to the dialect coach and I'm like, because it's just a reference that no one fucking gets. But I'm talking to the dialect coach and I'm like, how do I do a Texan accent? She's like, well, there really is no Texan accent specifically, but I think we'll do Lubbock.

And I'm like, okay, Lubbock. So he sends me, you know, the phonetics and then she sends me some tapes of what I think are the Lubbock accent. And it's just like a few like behind the scenes Grammy interviews with Mac Davis. And I'm like, this is the only example of Lubbock. It's Mac Davis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Mac Davis for sure. Yeah, he's a good, he's a funny actor, too.

But yeah, I appreciate someone saying that because I definitely put the work in and I was willing to fail with the accent, but I think I did all right. And the only reason I had confidence to do that was before I interviewed James Kahn, I was watching movies of early movies of his and all these guys try accents and very few of them are any good at it. So I'm like, well, fuck it. If he's going to take the hit, I can take the hit. The Australians are great at accents for some reason and a lot of the Brits are, but the Americans, well, fuck it. If he's gonna take the hit, I can take the hit. You know? The Australians are great at accents for some reason.

And a lot of the Brits are, but the Americans, I don't know. You know, secondhand compliments are the best. Like when David hears someone say to him, you were great in the movie, right? That's the best way to hear it. Cause you know they're not saying. It's legit. She was like, oh my God.

Oh, by the way, you see my Aaron special is fantastic. Yeah. It's nice to hear my accent. Did someone say wife? Did somebody way, you see Myron's special is fantastic. Yeah. It's nice to hear my wife say that. Did someone say wife? Did somebody say that? No, that's a fictitious scenario. Well, you do specials, you do a podcast and you're a damn good actor.

You've got a series. I'm just saying, I mean, I don't know any other, you're like a triple and an author. Yeah, I do what I can. I do what I can at the level I do it at. And it's, you know, it's, I'm glad I've had all the opportunity and I keep trying to get better.

What can you do? It's just how much joy can you get out of your incredible life? Yes, really. Oh yeah, well the joy thing, that's a whole other thing. I mean, that's another thing. Or forget about that. Less miserable, less miserable.

Another podcast. And in terms of like talking about SNL, I didn't get it. Oh, okay. Thank you for the people that waited till the end. All right. Well, that's the perfect end to a podcast. Take care, man. See you later, guys. That was a blast. Thank you. Yeah, it was fun. This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please follow subscribe Leave a like a review all the stuff smash that button. Whatever it is wherever you get your podcasts Fly on the wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade Jenna Weiss Berman of Odyssey and Heather Santoro the show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman