Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Mark Normand Might Just Be Norm Macdonald Light

Episode Date: April 23, 2026

Mark Normand joins Dana and David to discuss David’s appearance on the We Might Be Drunk podcast, being compared to Norm Macdonald, and building momentum from a breakout special to a new release on Netflix. He shares insights on sustaining a career in comedy and refining material on a daily basis. They also cover his takes on the moon, Lizzo, and Katy Perry, along with a tour of his office, before wrapping up with a discussion on what makes classic comedy films endure. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I know you're old and deli. Quiffy, I'm going to look that out of. I get that all the time. People say, kill yourself. You're no norm. You're like norm light. Your norm, but bad and gay. Did you kill yourself?

Are you taking any of that advice? Nah, not yet. Later. But they're just going around the moon. They're not letting them on the moon, which I thought was messed up, but it might hurt the property value. And then I said, of course, they make the black guy do a drive-by. And I'd say let him on the moon.

I want to see that guy jump. Can you imagine that moon jump? And then I call it moon team. So we had some good times. Dana Mark Norman, who's a very funny comic. Not on every single person's radar yet, but that's what we like to do. Get someone like you did with Shane, get him a little early. Pre-stadium.

Yeah, pre-stadiums. He's always consistently funny when I see him do quick sets. or on Instagram or just talking to the dude he's got a great sort of norm mcdonaldi vibe uh well they talk about his love of norm yeah his love of stand-up uh and also he does a podcast called we might be drunk with samorel is another great comic so two of them are out there killing it and he was a lot of fun and just a lot of jokes a lot of laughing and we really kind of dug deep with them too yeah you talk about the uh you talk about the uh Because he really writes a lot of jokes per minute and a lot of punchlines per minute and the pressure to keep coming up with material.

Yeah, little shorties. Yeah, we've probably got three jokes every minute. You're right. And it's just hard to fill an hour on standup. And then I think we talked about doing a special and how much of that can you still use and, you know, how do you rotate in your stuff. Inside Baseball or what it's like to be a touring standup comic. It was a pleasure to hang out with. him ladies and gentlemen enjoy mark norman mark norman mark norman is our guess we start right away mark

all right let's do it we're halfway through all right so this isn't a we might be drunk marathon we're there for an hour five great how long are your how long are your podcast on we might be drunk well we drink a lot so they can go from an hour to two and a half it gets pretty sloppy do you really drink When I was there, did you drink? Well, that was an LA version, so he kept it a little quefy for you. I know you're old and delicate. I'm going to look that out. Wait, I know I'm old and what?

Delicate. I didn't want to hurt you. Yeah, yeah, you don't want to hurt you. Mark Norman, I was telling you such a riveting story. Like, if you do a podcast, we might be drunk, which I've done, and I actually like, I didn't know because I'm frail and brittle that you were delicately leading me through a 22-minute podcast for my own. safety but I don't drink in the day anyway that's problem I barely drink at night why not because I'm a fucking pus dude I used to be able to but god dang it is bad at least the horrible

things you tend up skipping the night and just drinking and going to bars so day drinking is is evil don't do it yeah do you when you drink do you I don't mean to cut I won't cut you I'll cut you off 30 more times but Zoom is tough I know Zoom is tough I know Zoom is I appreciate that you had offered to come in when you were in town. It was very nice. And then I was trying to find you. I was in New York the night. And I saw on my stupid Instagram, it's like,

Mark Norman is doing his hijinks at gut busters. I'm like, why am I seeing this? And then I go, oh, he's in New York. And then it scrolls down. He's also doing flim flams. He's also doing beep pops. And I go, oh, he's not going to have time to do anything. You're like the New York guy going, boom, boom, boom, right?

Oh, yeah. Is that? Well, yeah, I run around like a psycho because my jokes are short. So I got to write a lot just to fill an hour. It takes forever. So I got to keep getting up and tweaking. I did notice that. Very good joke writer, very funny.

I have always sort of watched from a distance. I finally got the nerve to approach you on Instagram. But, well, I always appreciate a good joke writer. So is Dana. So when you're cramming in short ones. it is harder. I like to tell stories of my act. I'm trying to get one story that's an hour long, ideally. Wow. I don't think I have one. I can make a story an hour and it's fucking boring, but to get some tentful laughs in the middle is very hard. That's called the moth. That's a whole different thing.

Oh, the moth story from Norm? No, no. I mean, Norm takes an old joke and then he's like, this is my joke. I'm like, it's a joke. It's like, Johnny went to school. I'm like, are you sure this is your joke? Just elongate it with facts. Yeah, I used to drive a tractor, you know, one of those tractor things, you know, driving that tractor. That's good. You have a little norm. Do you hear that or not?

You do hear that. I get that all the time. People say, tell yourself, you're no norm. You're like norm light. Your norm, but bad and gay. Did you tell yourself, or you take any of that advice? No, not yet. Later.

No, yeah. I'll go to me, not for them. If there's a million comics, you're going to look like someone. You're going to act like someone. That's just the way it is. I get Dana at the fucking car wash of the day. The guy goes, isn't that special? And then he goes, I'm sorry.

I love Opportunity Knox. I love all your movies. And I go, thank you. I think Dana does the same thing. They think we're the exact same person. We used to get really compared a lot. Yeah. Joe Dirt.

Yeah. Anyway, you know, we've interviewed people on this. You know, we were, we interviewed Shane when he was still in the clubs and he maybe had just put out the YouTube special and I was following your trajectory. So based on the experience of this podcast, you'll be headlining Madison Square Garden in 11 months. Hey, all right.

I'll take it. I just got to say some Asian slurs and I'm in. That's the trick. That's a shortcut. That's the thing is you go anywhere you want and it never comes off. I mean, I don't know. It doesn't come off dark or weird or creepy. It's just sort of you just flow by, but you go wherever you want, right, as far as just topics and stuff.

Yeah, thanks. You know, you always hear these people like, what can you joke about? Can you, where's the line? I think if it's got a punchline and a twist, you can joke about anything. And so I go all in. And yeah, I've been told I'm non-threatening. I'm quefy. Is sexual.

It's quefy. I said that. Yeah. You're asexual. That's great. This is a great quality to have in a comic. You're unoffensive, even though you're offensive. There you go.

So I think people told me early, like you're, no one cares about you. You're kind of under the radar. So I said, all right, well, that's a detriment, but maybe I can use it to say horrible things. No. You throw it away and you make it a little innocent. You did that arm move. Something about you're almost sort of commenting on how dark it was. well you know but it's all cheery it's all cheery delivery yeah yeah that's where a comedy comes from

because i had to remind audiences hey comedy that we're doing i don't actually yeah oh by golly well i think you stumbled upon a really smart point um is if dana or i go to one of these gigs and say something too much we we can step in shit quicker but if you or shane on the way of for Theo. You're just saying crazy things quietly in the clubs and then you build up an audience. And they're all used to it. So it's all baked in by the time other people hear about it. It's too late because you've already said all the stuff. Everyone's accepted it. And you're not like a corporate working for these different big places. So no one's telling you know. And now that's just you. And that's a great way to do it. Because if I'm only on

sitcoms and PG-13 movies and then out of the blue and I also do corporate gigs and I do commercials. So someone, I say something, it jumps out more. If that's if I'm making any sense. Sure. People go, whoa, what are you doing? But you guys, I kind of get jealous of just like people go, hey, we were already fans. We like this guy. Don't try to cancel this guy. Oh, hey. Thanks. Yeah. And I think you get known for it. I mean, like Louis might be a bad example because he did get canceled, but Louis's not not for his standup. Yeah. And now he's back. He's He's got a Netflix special. He's back.

Yeah. But I think if you come off like a Robert Schimel who's like, I'm the bum, I'm the loser. I'm the underdog. Shimel. What a great difference. You set that table. Like this is who I am. I am the creep.

Yeah. That's a great title for his next special. No, I'll say this is, this is a reverse compliment. Did you think a special called Out to Lunch would get any views, let alone 15 million? He got 15 million. What a funny title. Out to lunch. That's nuts.

Thanks. Well, it was the pandemic. I put it out right as the pandemic hit. It was a complete failure because Comedy Central said no. Netflix said no. Amazon said no. So I said, screw it. I put it on YouTube.

And it hit because people needed content. And it was free and all that. So I guess the timing worked out. But at the time I put it out, I wanted to kill myself. But you shot it yourself with your own money and then tried to sell it to other people. Yeah. Did you shoot yourself with your own gun? Now, you know, what about, I think it's also you're kind of underplaying it because even though it was during COVID, they have to find it.

I see things on YouTube that are great and they have 20,000 views and you go, fuck, how does it get to the point where it gets passed around enough or in the Algo enough where people start going? Now it's at a million. Like that's a big deal. You can't time to get 15. Maybe one. You can't. Not 15. Captain. Yeah, that's good. So something's working. And then you play bigger places, obviously,

over time. You do clubs, then you start doing some theaters. And that's a little more pressure. Do you feel like it's hard or is it the exact same? Well, I think, well, just to go back to the special, I do think it got oversaturated. What I got it in there was still new. And if you watch all these specials over time have gotten less and less views, just because it's not what it used to be. So if I put one out now, I don't think it would, would hit as big. So timing is a factor, but yeah, it sold a ton of tickets for me, started doing clubs, adding shows, and we moved to theaters. But then here's the crazy part. You get the Netflix hour finally, and it comes out, that was in 2023, and everybody goes, hey, let's go see this guy in a

theater, and now you have no material. And now you're kind of eating shit in a theater where people go, hey, this guy got a special, he sucks. And I go, I know, but I'm out of material. Yeah, this is the age Joltz, we always talk about this, me and Dan. Like, I'm from the school of don't throw it all the way right away. I mean, you need some tent pole laughs. They're paying a lot of money. And as with a band, they only want old material. Yes.

And they don't want new songs. And we always talk about this. Then your stand-up, you're going, I want to see people do jokes I like. I want to go to my friends, listen to this one. And I think specials get watered down over time. I may be myself included. I won't take myself out just because to work, can buff out an hour, as you know, as Dana knows, is so hard to get it working.

Yes. And you just go, let me start from scratch. It's fucking so hard to get things at work. And you got to massage them and try them out. And then every time you're on stage, it's an audition. Dana knows that. You go on, you don't want to bomb. You know, Shane's in the back or one of your friends walks in.

And you're like, I don't want to do my new shit. They're like, he has nothing. Chappelle thought you were good, man. Right. He was here. Oh, he watched you bomb miserably. But David Tell. on this podcast.

We watched this special and like people who write, like you're a writer and you're landing like four or five laps a minute, probably at least. Teesh, dish, dish, dish. And I'll just go, gag, ga, ga, ga, ga, for like five minutes.

So I don't, I'm in awe of that. And Dave, he did his special was like 35 a stand-up and then he did some food thing at the end because he said, my God, because it is like this bam, bam, bam, and I don't know how you guys do it. but it seems like a really difficult to turn it.

It's a nightmare. It's a young man's game. It's so much tinkering, getting every, oh, that word's not hitting. Let me shorten it off a few syllables. Let me change that term. But I think David Tell and I, he's the goat, in my opinion. But I think that we're scared of doing stories. We have such low self-esteem that I don't feel like anyone will want to hang on to me with a story.

A three-minute story. Even three minutes. They're like, everyone's like, what the fuck is going on? I panic, so I want to get that laugh and move on. Yeah, I agree with you. That's very hard. And I like people that have patience up there. And I see people that just, you know, even Nate goes slow.

I like that. I don't know when that started. Maybe it's always been that way, but they wait. And his crowd is taught to wait. I know. I'm so jealous. Yeah, yeah. Malasses, but it works.

Like he just has that southern drawl where you just get lulled to sleep like a big lazy boy. That's the name of his next special, big lazy boy. My act is a big lazy boy. Brought to you by Apple Card. Apple Card users get 2% daily cash back on purchases made in store and online, whether it's for big ticket items or everyday purchases when they use their Apple Card with Apple Pay. Now, that's a benefit that's just too good to pass up. You could be earning 2% daily cashback when you use your Apple card with Apple Pay to buy

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BETMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. I'm kind of curious just being from the olden days how big stand-up has got, how people go to theaters and then stadiums or whatever, and just trying to figure out besides the comedy. Like, I think that Nate's audience really relates to him, and of course he's brilliant at stand-up. But I got a sense the audience really likes you and is relating to you.

And also you're being funny. And a lot of it, you'd mention your wife and things like that, but there's a vibe you're pushing out. So it's kind of interesting to watch. Why someone blows up and another guy seems to have

just as good or woman. Yeah. Jokes, but it's not quite, you know, it's a fascinating sort of art form. I'm going to call it that. Uh-huh. Well, hey,

I think you've just got to use what you got. I don't know what the hell to do. I'm just trying to get laughs. And I don't want to have a message. Everybody's got a message or an agenda. And I think it's refreshing when, I don't know if you saw this Chris Fleming guy. He just put out a special. Yeah.

It's hilarious. The tights jumping around. Yeah. There's no like point or agenda. It's just like, hey, I'm going to lay on the ground for four minutes and kick my legs up. And it's silly and fun. And I think we need that. I mean, you know, who knows what Iran's doing right now.

I do. Let's have a chucking. I couldn't agree more. I never wanted to find being that situation where you have a choir that has a certain point of view and then you're teaching. And they're getting roars of laughter because you're reinforcing political points of view. I like being just funny. Yeah. More than anything else.

It's room for everybody. I don't know what I take. I think Mark is also, is there that kind of Chris Fleming, when he's, when he's, you know, comes around if the timing's right everyone's ready for it like they just went through the kind of serious comic then the guy that has no audience and then there's all these tricks because as you know specials are put out almost every weekend i mean a big one like amazon hulu netflix so to stand out and youtube i mean it's such a blur right it's i'm not saying it's pointless anymore it's just hard because they if my my managers i was like got a special ready i go i just release it

He goes, I'll make a deal right now. What, do you hate money? State doesn't like money, everybody, tells the office. I go, no, I'm just saying I like the money. I don't want to do the work. Just give me the money. Dave, you can just say Jew. Come on.

But yeah, I know what you mean. They just want you to put stuff out and you go, hey, I'm an artist. You douche, leave me alone. Don't rush Picasso. Right. So I'm Picasso in that scenario. And so I'm like, I have to work on my booger. jokes. Come on. You can't rush these things. I know, I know. Leave me be, but they want that,

they want that money. I'm so jealous of these like, like, I don't know if you know, Ari Shafir. He's like, I'm going to go to Machu Picchu for nine months and do ayahuasca and blow a pigmy. And then his agent's like, all right, we'll see it. And it works out. I don't have the balls. I'm such a wutz that my agent's like, we got you $18 to play for a Raytheon. You want to do it? I'm like, I'm in. You have to perform. in front of the bombs before they get dropped. And you're like, sure, whatever. I'm willing to look the other way.

I'm scared of adults. I'm 42 years old, but I'm still like, oh, this man is calling me with a tie on. I fucking agree. My managers are more like, we want you to make money because it's so hard to keep the balls in the air because Dana and I are both over 40. And after 40 in anything in showbiz, they're like, what are you kidding? Dana looks like a Lord. Dana looks like a fresh daisy. I'm inside a ring light.

You can't see the ring light. He lives in a ring light. I'm literally in a bubble of light. If you sat in my light, Mark, 19. You look 19. Yeah, you look 19, 20. Oh, look at Lepstein.

It's hard because you just want to keep working. And you look at people that blow up quickly and you go, it's probably harder. I sort of got known over time gradually and it was weird enough. But these people, like the Jim Carrey thing, where they get so famous, like overnight, so fucking huge. Well, 15 years overnight.

I mean, yeah, Jim, he did have a living color. But to have Dumb and Dumber the Mask and, A. 's Venture in a row, you go, how do you, it's another level. Well, yeah, that's a whole explosion. But just because of, for history's sake, when he showed up in L.A., I was around and he was at the improv and Jim was just doing pure impressions, like Rich Little. and he would act out on Golden Palm

with Henry Fondon and Catherine Hepburn with perfect voices. James Dean, look. And then we know his whole evil. I remember that. Well, is Bruce Dern? I mean, his talent level, just pure raw talent is insane.

That was on like an old comedy store, young comedians or something, maybe by Dangerfield. And I was like, this fucking guy, every time he turns around, he looks exactly like he was so rubber-faced, Jim Carrey.

Unbelievable. And then you're right, Dan, he did that, which I was already floored by that, then in living color. But I think you're famous, and when you do $300 million movies in a row, especially back then, that's about as high as you can get as far as how do you stay? What I was saying is, how do you stay around for 20, 30 years? And that's, you want to keep making money. You want to stay somewhat relevant.

It's just a weird biz. So my guys are like, hopefully you can do this, hopefully you want to do this. but I'm in your same spot. Do I want to take six months off? I don't even know if I know what to do. I know. You feel worthless. Comedy is really my only,

like, self-worth. I have a child and a wife, but I'm like, ah, that's second and third. Yeah, yeah.

But do you guys worry about, that's the thing about fame or making it. Once you make it, you're like, hey, I made it. This is great. Now,

how the hell do I hold on to this? Like, I remember I used to open for Jerry. And he would say, like, thank God for. comedians and cars or I'd be irrelevant. I'm like, dude, your show's on 11 times a day.

What are you talking about? 44 channels. I know. Jerry, see. Look at Letterman. He went back out. Yes, exactly. He's doing interviews.

Lorne Michaels, one of his quotes was, the minute you're hot, you can feel yourself getting less hot. And a career is like a pendulum. You're hot and it swings and then you're in the dark side of the moon and then you come back. It just comes with a turf. I'm just curious about, do you think, well, two things I want to know about your process. Are you like Jim Gaffigan or like Jerry Seinfeld has a panic attack if that's possible

because he needs to get to his room and work on his stuff, an hour each day, every day. Yeah. Jim Gaffigand, brilliant. He records everything at the, and then he goes in and he listens to it. The kids are sleeping and fixes. How meticulous are you, or is it just from reps on stage? Oh, I'm a psycho. I mean, I got four sets tonight in the city

jumping around from club to club. Same set? Yeah, same set with new stuff filling in, and then I go, this line isn't working, so I'll kind of just dissect one line and go, all right, the next set, just focus on that line. And I just do that for months and months, and hopefully it's gradual.

Bill Burr told me that he doesn't write it down. I know, what is that? He does it so much. Yeah. But I guess that that's, Yeah. You know, I saw me the night, Dana, he went after me. I introduced him. Of course, I blew it because sometimes Mark, you ever noticed there's an MC and sometimes there's not. So I'm at the store and I go, good night. And no one comes out and I go, what am I doing? They go, bring up the next guy. I go, who's the next guy? Is it Bill? And then I go, I did an encore because no one was back there. And so I don't. And then I go, oh, am I supposed to. So I bring, anyway, Bill comes up. And I'm in the back. So I watch a little bit. And then I like type by text like just. lines I liked. And then he hit me on the way home. He's like, oh, you like that? Yeah, I was just working on that. And now that you tell me he doesn't write it down, I was like writing the wording

when I text it going, this is great. Knowing if I did it, I would be like, I have to remember how I said that. Right. Exactly. It was what made it work. The only reason it works. Because you've done the bit the next night and you go, I know what that is. And you go, I've done it with Heather here. And I'm like, can you transcribe this because I hit it one night and now it is just not working? What did I say? That's another Jerryism, you know, something stops working, you know. Check the setup. Okay.

Is it clear? I mean, he is a scientist. I was curious because people were mentioning that you had norm vibes or was he kind of one of your inspirations in a sense or who? So, yeah, because there's some ribnick stuff. There's something in there. It's a great thing to be influenced by. So anyone else besides David? Or is Norm your true North Star?

Well, Norm to me is just the funniest guy. Like his stand-up is great, but he was funny everywhere. He's funny on the couch. He was funny on a podcast. He was funny in movies, which I liked. Bill Burr has that too. Some guys are just funny on stage. But then you put them on a podcast and they're kind of boring.

You've done, you've seen these. Norm's pod was. Norm's pod was a unique thing. When he was on Conan and stuff, it's like he's always smile, was always smiling in such an intense way. Yes. Like his eyes are really happy and he had these big cheekbones. And so it's very potent.

It's like he's laughing the whole time, but not out loud because he knows where he's going with it. But yeah, his stuff, you see the YouTube clips, say him on Conan. and it's like, we haven't seen anything quite like that. Yeah. He's lucky as Conan because Conan or Letterman, those guys invite a guy like Norman

because they want him to be weird and a lot of people won't put up with it. This don't get it. So when you go on the view and he's weird, he's talking. And they're like, I'm like, why are they letting this guy on the fucking view?

Do they know anything? And then he does his thing. And they're like, huh? Yeah, that Bill Clinton guy. You know, the only problem. was he killed a guy, right? Didn't he rape that one girl? Everyone's like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa,

Barbara Walters was like, oh, oh, oh. I thought it was a matter of public record. I once had a two-hour phone conversation with Norm driving around. I was driving. And he, you know, put down his comedy kind of vibe, you know, and he had a lot of frustrations with his career, you know. Really?

A lot of pilots didn't work out, and this guy and that and so forth and so on. You know, so he's a little frustrated. Wow. Like, he's so charismatic. He's like Norm McDonald, you know, probably wanted a few more Norm movies or Norm TV shows, you know. Dana, was there a pilot with Lovitz and Norm for Happy Madison?

Because I don't know. Whatever he puts on, we'll ask him, because I think it was about a mayor. I do remember hearing this and somebody pulled the plug on it, but I think they wanted to do it something. weird heaven but that that's the hard thing is like norm is tough he was tough to book because he wouldn't sometimes he wouldn't come or he would walk people and you know as a manager we have to say manager gervitz of course he's norms too he's like norm i don't know you never know because one time he was i told the story but we were on the road with sandler and you know mark

i think sam did it in more well yeah with us you know he rotates some people in just to make it more fun. So in the old days, Norman on and then, and we're in Seattle or something. And he, and he just walks everybody and then, well, the ones that don't want to wait for Sandler, they're like, I can't take this. It's excruciating. And then when he gets off, Schneider's MC, goes, there's Norm McDonald's. You never know which norm you're going to get. And tonight, you got that one. And then Norm, and then the group chat going, hey, what the fuck did Schneider just say? Just so people. It's so true, though. Just so people understand, we're listening.

If you say, how did the comedian do? He walked the audience. Well, what do you mean? Well, they left. They got up and left the room. Oh, yeah. And they stopped laughing for a while. The comedian does not change gears at all.

He keeps going. And they finally go, I can't take it. I'm forfeiting this and leaving voluntarily. If I see one person go to the bathroom, if you see someone go to the bathroom, don't you go, well, fuck, they're leaving. Of course, I want to kill myself. It's the worst feeling ever.

Exactly. I don't have the, he was so strong. He was such a tough guy. He doesn't get his due. I mean, the whole cancer thing, he hid that for years. I mean, most people would have used that. They would have been like, here, I'm the victim. Let me spin this into a TED talk, you know.

Let's do a end of life tour. Yes, exactly. He just kept it quiet. Like the integrity that takes. Just being very, very personal, at least online, I just notice how it's so monetizing. If you really share every disease or every negative weird thing in your life. Oh, you got molested. Oh, aren't you special?

Yeah, yeah, move on. Could you say that but say, well, isn't that special? You got molested. No, Norm is just. fucking funny. He had a good joke about cancers. Remember that when he says. Oh, yeah.

Everyone always says, this guy lost the battle with cancer. He goes, I think it was a tie. I think cancer died with the guy. Yeah. Cancer's not standing there going. Right.

I had something like that. And I was like, God, that's a smart way to look at it. Yeah. His dad died. He's saying the joke while he has it, by the way.

He's like, my dad, your dad's in a better place. He's like, he's on the floor. Right? Norm joke. But he was funny everywhere and he's what a comedian is to me. So when the view is like, hey, Norm, what are you doing? I'm like, he's being Norm. He's the guy you booked. Yeah,

that's the hard part. He's just got a bigger grin on his face. The manner they would get. He just has this huge smile. He's also his secret weapon. He's a great looking guy. As a guy, and all these women were like, he looks like Paul Newman. I'm like, he does. I'm not usually studying guys, but now I do. And he was really look maxing. Yeah. Yeah, nice, nice. Way to hit the youth. Clav, dude, clavicle. So, are you guys working on AI with all this?

Yeah, we're not here. Now, what are we doing with AI? Oh, I had a question about the moon. I heard you talking about the moon. Oh, I got shit for that one. What did you say? Let me hear it. Let me hear the joke.

I mean, I just went, I was riffing on stage about the moon, and somebody brought it up in the crowd, And I said, well, they had a first black astronaut. This is so cool. But they're just going around the moon. They're not letting them on the moon, which I thought was messed up, but it might hurt the property value. And then I said, of course, they make the black guy do a drive-by.

And I say, let him on the moon. I want to see that guy jump. Can you imagine that moon jump? And then I call it moon-teens. So we had some good times. You got grief for that? How? Online?

Yeah, the black community was, pushing back and I said I'm just joking around I think it's great he's on the moon I'm a comedian I'm just zinging and zanging I make fun of honkies I make fun of Jews you know it's your turn I don't like it when you make fun of honkies so I get it sorry you're like any joke where I don't say a specific race it's a honky so just know they're taking the most beating yeah I saw the moon drive by I guess it was just a slingshot because I saw a funny meme where it goes, the moon's like this. And you hear, eh, well, don't you hear a rap song and then it goes away. Like, it's just someone dropping by.

And the moon's like this where it's been 20, 40 years, 50 years and they're just driving by and beeping or something. That's funny. Why don't they land? Five years from now, those astronauts are going to be at a cocktail party and the conversation will be like, no, seriously, dude, you didn't land on the moon. Right. Right. I got close. The big question is, does that get you any pussy?

And I know everyone's thinking this, but going to the moon, yes. Driving by, is it a shoulder shrugger? Or do people go, hey, you know, that's cool. That's like the girls that went up in space. And they go, no, no, no, it's not, no, we went farther. And they're like, right, all you guys went up and came down. Yeah. I'm like, quit putting us with the origin.

Right. They're like, you, Katie Perry, you guys, were they on your flight? He's like, no, these are two different things. Yeah, why did Katie, point? parody you to go to space. I mean, we tried to send Lizzo. We didn't have the fuel. Don't put your hand in your chin. That was funny.

You didn't have the fuel. Anyway. Brian Regan do a whole album. I walked on the moon or something. But yeah. It's all fun. It's all fodder. That's what's great about the news. You can do 18 gay Ayatollah jokes. It never ends. Well, a comedian can't be offended. We're in cable being offended. I think because we know it's a joke.

We've heard everything. We understand it. When comedians are off camera or hanging out, trying to top each other with the most foul, politically incorrect thing you can say, that's, you know, so we can't get offended. It leaks out. Dana's right.

It leaks out. But like if I said something, you guys and you guys laughed, like if we were at lunch, and I go, oh, and then I say it my act, and everyone goes, what the fuck? And then you go, oh, those guys, I just, this was funny a minute ago. minute ago. And then they go, no, that's what's your

filthy comedian friends. I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess so. Right. Do you have bids you do only for other comedians that are so foul? You don't have to repeat, but I used to do. Bert Lancasterner and Kirk Douglas having sex. And that was the writer's room at SNL would say, can you come in here and do that for us again? Just to kind of two a.m. Yeah.

Yeah. Patrice said it years ago. He said any any man who tells me something is inappropriate to talk about I immediately have lost respect for and I find it weird that some comedians don't like you know whatever problematic humor

but I'm like it's just us like my text thread if you saw my text thread with a couple of comics I would go right to the gulag you go to prison yeah because part of being funny or what's funny is saying the thing you just can't possibly say

yeah don't no one should ever say that. So of course a comedian wants to say it, but you know, well, you want to outdo the other comedian. You want to be like, isn't this horrible what I just thought? Yeah, we're messing around. We're not doing the things. Right. No, we're not doing the things. Sometimes you're never like against, if there was any hate under it, it would be different, but you go, I'm just saying stupid shit to try to be funny. Yeah. I made a pedophile joke, but Bill Clinton is is reminiscing over old photos. He's having a great time. So like, let's get more mad at Bill. It was funny that he was, he was fucking giggling, looking like at his memories on his iPhone. He's like, ah, these are the days.

Yeah. I know. And the picture of him, was it the hot tub or the swimming pool? Oh, that I heard him. I heard him leaping through the photo. I was only in there for about five minutes. I just swam around a little bit and nothing happened. I farted. We were laughing at the bubbles. Just at some point, can we? Will it ever end? I mean, Hillary is just like, I know. Dude, I like when they talk about the Epstein files, and I look and they go, and about every day on Instagram, someone's reading another email that's so horrible.

And I go, where's that guy? Like, I don't know if it's like illegal, write an email or that there's something where you go, this guy, something was going on. Right. They say. And then you never hear like, did they, did he get scolded? Maybe a slap on the wrist, anything? No.

No, and you got to hand it to Hillary because Bill Gates' wife left Toot Sweet. She was like, you're involved in this guy. I'm out of here. Hillary's like, hold my beer. I mean, I'll tell you about Monica. I'll tell you about everything. Bill Gates's wife was like, I'm going to take $80 billion and get the hell out of Dodge. She goes, I'm the bravest woman you've ever seen.

Me, my backpack, and $70 billion. Yeah. I'm on my own. I think all the richest women in America, it's all divorce. Uh, what was there name? Basos is ex. Look at your jarglass. Jesus Christ.

I don't want to keep refilling, so I just get a giant. Holy fuck. The, um, the bullet. Oh, it's the upside down bullet. Yeah. It's the biggest cup I have. What a good eye, Spade. Good eye.

Is that a cue card on your door? Oh, yeah, that's an old Conan. I have all those, uh, look at this wall I got here. I'll walk you around. Look the wall of fame. Okay. Look at the norm. That's a norm painting.

Oh. Is that Burr Reynolds? What? Is that when he did Kurt Reynolds? Yes, yes. And then he lives me with Carlin. Oh, you just saw Carlin? Wow.

George. I met him at a book signing. Nice Joan Rivers there. You ever seen Blue Food? Joan Rivers. Blue Fun. Liz Taylor, can we talk dog? Everybody needs to.

Is that your set list? Yeah, I'm a looking nerd. You missed it. I saw gay porn in the middle of there. That's almost a good. I got a bunch of them. No, that's so funny. Functioning alcoholic.

Big nerd. I used to say this, this mark, I go, my friend goes, who's that? Fallon. Is that Fallon coming in?

Hey, you're on soon. Hey, is it being insane. Give me, Divi. Love to me, Fallon. How many Falons do we got?

Four. Okay. a legitimate question. You have gone in Rogan how many times? Well, we have a thing called Protect Our Parks where we go on and just get drunk with Shane and Ari and just joke around for four hours.

So I think we've done 11 of those or 12. Fucking hilarious. That's a great idea. Who's in that gang? You, Shane, who else? Ari Shapir and Joe. And it's just, we used to listen to Open Anthony and all these other crazy radio shows and those are kind of gone away. So he said, let's just dick around.

be idiots, say horrible things, get drunk, do mushrooms, smoke cigars, and just be a bunch of dudes. That should be the number one rated show. It probably is, actually. You actually do mushrooms? When you're one, does Joe move the needle? Do you plug gigs or is it, that's got to be at least some push for something? It's the biggest one. That sells crazy tickets and we're, we're just literally making fun of each other, gay jokes, fat jokes, and mushrooms and, you know, one, R.E. puked on one, Joe whipped it out on one. You know, I had a meltdown on mushrooms and puked all over the mothership.

So, yeah, it's a wild time. I love Lucy. What? It's a long way since I love Lucy. That was entertainment. So I understand you take hallucinogens, you vomit and expose yourselves to each other. Sounds like a great time, Ed. Oh, yeah.

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Maybe I'm going to do this. Well, I got no self-worth. So I was obsessed with comedy. I was obsessed with Groucho and Bill Murray and Carlin. And then I never thought I could do this. It was like you'd see Steve Martin on TV. You'd see Bill Cosby, and you're like, that's like an astronaut.

I can never get there. Of course, of course. Agreed. Failed out of college three times, three different colleges. And I had such a little going on that I said, screw it, I'll try it, open mic. And I immediately fell in love with it. And I moved to New York and the rest is history. Got mugged three times, got bed bugs.

That city tries to spit you out. But. And the bedbugs mugged me? Jesus. Yeah. Was it after doing a club date? like 1 a.m. or something. I lived there eight years.

I never got mugged. Really? Mugged. You're saying someone's going to beat you up and take your money? What was it exactly? What is it mugging? Well, three times. But again, I lived out in Brooklyn, like way out.

And I was also an alcoholic. So I was in a blackout. Two of the three times I got mugged, I was blacked out, drunk sleeping on the street. So I had a mugging. Well, now I understand. Thanks for the clarification. What would they pull a knife on you or do they just beat you up and say, give us your shit?

If you're blacked out, they just. It was bad. I was like Tiger Woods without the car. I was just stumbling down the street. But I just, one time I fell asleep on the subway and I woke up and a guy had cut my pockets with an exacto knife. So that was, that was pretty harmless. He got my keys, my wallet, my joke book. It was crazy.

My phone. One time. What if he's doing your act? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I know. Yeah. I can't believe Jake Johansson would do that too. What was the third time?

You said one time something. Well, one time I fell asleep, I was drunk at a bar called Rudy's, and I walk home, or I'm walking down 8th Avenue in Hell's Kitchen, and I see a little alcove, like a doorway, three steps down. And I said, let me just take a nap there for like half an hour, and then I'll go home because I lived way out in Brooklyn. It was a long ride. So I fell asleep in this little alcove, and I woke up to three guys going

through my shit. So I tried to be like, what do you do it? And they one of them goes, he's waking up and he hit me and I went out again. Took everything. Fucking I. And I won, the craziest is the third time. Fell asleep on the train, woke up way past my stop. And I said, screw it. It's a nice night. I'll walk it back to my apartment. Deep Brooklyn. I see five

guys on the corner, shooting dice, drinking 40s, listening to music out of a central casting. This is like a movie. You walk up like Steve Martin. Hey, black guys. Yeah. Hey, Jive, brother. And I see them and I cross the street. I'm like, I'm going to walk on the other side of the street.

They look pretty shady. And an older guy comes up to me, and I had an iPod at the time. And he goes, give me that radio. And I was so drunk, I was like, it's not a radio. It's an MP3 player. And he goes, all right, he yanks it. So I'm yank. We're both yanking the cord.

He picks me up, starts slamming me against the business with the metal gate that closes. Oh, yeah. And I'm freaking out. And before I know it, those five guys run over and beat the hell out of them. Oh, really? They did? You can't judge. Saviors.

Don't judge. Yeah. And I grabbed my iPod. I said, thank you. And I ran home. Wow. What is your height and weight? I mean, you look pretty big on stage.

I mean, for someone to just pick you up, there must be pretty big guy. You're skinny, though. I'm skinny. I'm five, ten. I'm not that big. I'm a thin guy. You know what's a good noise when they hit you against that steel? It goes,

Yeah, it's thunderous. I think I talked to a cop later and he said those were drug dealers and they can't have a white kid getting killed in the neighborhood. That's bad for business. Oh, really? They picked him. Oh, I love it. They don't want any trouble in there. Oh, I love it.

I have attention. I did have one experience a little bit like that in New York and I was, you know, up against a great and this guy was grabbing me and doing like that. And I said, Lorne, please. So it's Lauren, my name. Oh, and a new church lady. You're really not, you're, you're, he, Lauren's the nickname for me was he's a fucking show pony, because I'd be out there, I get that. Guilty as charge, sir. Well, it works.

Hey, you're special. That, what was the special called where you did the, every time a guy changes cords, he makes a different face, the Ross Barrow? Yeah, I don't know. What was that title? Come on. Well, I did. The first one was Critics' Choice.

And this was before online stuff. So my sister, every time it would come on, you got Critics' Choice again. She thought it was an award that I got. And then there was one that was a ridiculous title, Squatting Monkeys Tell No Lies. And then the most recent one, I don't know why I named it, this was stupid,

but straight white male 60. That's because no one. industry wants that. Put those three together and then we would have the one third, the amount of jokes you landed in none too pleased. That special. That special was huge for me. Absolutely. Well, that's good. I, you know, there's people, there's 15 year olds, men and women watching or boys and girls watching your special right now. Yeah. I might want to do that. It still is a fever dream, just that this is your job. Yeah. This is what you're doing. Your dreams came true. You're making good money. I looked at your,

you know, you're making good money. Yeah, I looked at your bank account. Don't ever believe that. This is your job. Well, it's all about the next thing, the next special. Remember the first time I made a million dollars and with all the agents and managers and they're like, okay, he made a million. Now, let's go on to these two. I go, wait a minute, can we just take a second to say I made a fucking million dollars? So if you talk to

your younger self, you know, your 23 year old self, you know, you'd be like, it's going to be okay, man. All right. It feels like being a mailman where you put the mail out, then you show up the next day. And they're like, we got a lot more mail. You're like, God, it never ends. You never, it's like Groundhog's Day.

Yeah, you just go, I didn't. Did I get anything done today? And you feel like you're always, feel like you're getting too old. I used to. Of course, every day. When I was 30, I'm like, I didn't even do enough when I was by 30. I'm like, I want to do more and more and more. And everything takes so much time.

And every agent says, it's pretty slow right now. They're not doing much. Our job is part of our job is when people see you on a screen or something. It kind of looks like you're not really working. Right. And a lot of the work is when you're not on camera and it's this weight. I mean, I felt it. I talked to Dennis Miller about that.

When I first sort of committed to this and it was my job as making $600 a month, just this little bit of weight. And I still have it. Like I got to write another joke or I bet David and I are going to play this theater. And it's just, it's just an interesting. interesting mind game. And you always want to do good or you might be out. Yes.

So it's just double whammy of like got to have content, quality, but also content. And now everybody wants more content than ever. The hunger for content. Do you do crowd stuff online on like Instagram? I only, I hate where you're from. What do you do? How long you guys have been together? I can't stand all that shit.

So I just do. What race are you? What, least favorite race. I just do shout out some new stuff. So then someone shut up the moon or they shout out Iran and I can go off on that and that's my clip. And so you do want clips to push gigs to get people in the door. Okay. That's the name of the game now. It's it's a nightmare but the clips really spread like herpes and that that can save your tickets because we can't put out a special every week.

I know when you can't have material to get them to see your special. Right, right. It's horrible, yeah. Damn, so let's talk about none too please because that's what we're here. It's on Netflix. It's number six or seven or eight. I mean, it's, I looked at it. It's something, the comedy or whatever.

It's doing extremely well. Hey, thanks. We got lucky. Yeah. Got lucky. We've got a lot. I can't take a compliment. And now today I'm like.

I understand. That's why you're going to keep getting better. I know. The next day they're like, congratulations, you're the top ten. You got a new act yet? Exactly. You got funny. Tell some jokes.

I thought it looked good. I like the lighting. I like the way of a shot in the size of the theater. Thanks. Yeah, Boulder Theater. It was New Orleans theme. That was the new Orleans. And it was in Boulder.

Well, the green, yellow. and purple is all New Orleans colored. It was New Orleans music. So I tried to show a little love to the hometown. But yeah, thank you. I really pinch some pennies on the last one, and I think it hurt me. So this one, I really put some money into it. The money that no one sees.

Yes. They're like, do you want to pay for a big blue light? I'm like, I don't give a shit. Give me a black curtain. How about that? I know, I know. Okay, we have 11 cameras. What?

Yeah, we're going to have 11 angles. on you. Usually, Dana, they go, here's how much you're going to get. They go, that's good. And now you have to go pay for it. Yes. They got us by the balls.

It's pretty impressive. It's genius because they know they have the eyeballs. Did you have a moment in your career so far where afterwards you were just Isaacite? Because I know you're kind of self-deprecated and you're pushing yourself

like better, better, more, more, more. Do you have any kind of moment? You're like, fuck, I landed that. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You get the little wins because everybody thinks, oh, you got a Netflix special. You must be ecstatic. And I'm like, now, now I'm worried about it doing well.

I'm worried about killing and people watching it. A movie that you might do with Sam? Oh, well, we're all over the place now. Hold on. Yeah, me and Sam wrote a movie and we got a backer. We got financing. So we're hoping to shoot this summer. Interesting.

Because, you know, David has a movie coming out that he did same way. Bus boys. That's going to be big. I think it's the same director, so that's why I knew about it. Oh, Jonah? Jonah, yeah. He's a good egg.

So I think he told me it would be probably around New York, is that what is? Yeah, we're going to shoot in New Jersey to save a couple bucks, but... Oh, that's better than the idea. Yeah. No, that's okay.

Everything's about saving and what's the best way, because all people want to do is really focus on, are you guys funny? At the end of the day, same with Buzz, boys is the movie funny i don't care what the dishes are in the background i don't it's just

go try to be funny and it's even that's really hard and uh but it's a it's a fun thing to do because it's you guys i think you'll have fun doing it because it's just one more challenge yeah and we didn't get the money we wanted we wanted this amount of money we got about half of that so we just went back into the script and made all right let's make the warehouse on the sidewalk let's make the yacht in a cab let's make the you know The airplane in an Uber. Let's make Fresno, Afghanistan. Let's make the statue of liberty.

These are kind of tent pole things I would say. One is make sure you have some things that would work if the sound was broke. Funny with the sound off. Make sure that it's tracking that no one has to think, where are we now? Right. Right. The clarity of each what's going on. That's all.

Clarity, funny with the sound off. And then, you know, when you have your final read-through, make sure you click off Surefire, Killers, and you got six of them. Set pieces. That's good advice. Put everyone in the trailer and then the movie will just go flat. Now, that's a hard part. I mean, even doing ours, we think we're so fucking hilarious.

But it's so hard to make scenes work. And then you're a slave to the fucking. plot and like our plot is as wispy as you can get so good understand they want to be waiters but they're losers it's like we got it so turn down the volume and then just go okay it looks like they're doing something funny here i'll turn it up again i have one more piece of advice um originality this is not an absolute originality is the death of creativity you want to make sure that you let the hangover or whatever or Tropic Thunder or these classic Will Ferrell comedies, let them wash over you. You know, they're not starting from scratch. It's not copying,

but allow yourself to be influenced by things that you loved. And then you do it in your own way. But if you try to reinvent the wheel completely, so, you know, it's like if you're going to remake an Agatha Christie movie, but you wouldn't, it wouldn't be exactly like that. There'd be a murder. The lights go out. So just allow yourself. self to be influenced. Look back at those movies and don't think you're copying. Spend a lot of time looking at Wayne's World One. That way. I watched all those, rewatched all those just to taste. Yeah. It's also new eyes because you're going, why is this funny? When do they do an act break? How are they going to bring together? I saw Anaconda on the plane with Jack Bach and it was pretty

well done because now I just did it and I was more involved and like how much? How much? How much is that set? Where are they going? Is that doubling for this? How much was this person? Oh, that cast member did this much stuff. And a lot of stuff was landing and it was pretty simple to understand. And they had some twists. And I was like, oh, I didn't see that coming. That's good. So overall, I was like, this is pretty good. And it looked. That had a bigger budget. Obviously, they have big stars. Yeah. But I thought it was good. I think that. Yeah. I mean, it's like there, this director, old time, Gary Marshall and did a move. because script supervisor was on Wayne's World. He did a movie, and it just didn't work at all. He had started Happy Days. His next movie was Pretty Woman, which was a massive hit. And I said, wow, to the script supervisor, how did he get so much better? She goes, well, you know, just learned.

So it's almost like you want to make the movie in your head or storyboard ahead of time, like learn, because you always look back and go, oh, we could have done it that way or this way or that Which is hard, the first one. So I'm only telling you this because in case it's slightly useful, you probably thought of all of it. No, we'll think anything. It's fun. I mean, if you love movies, movies are just fun. They're hard work, but I love them when they work.

Yeah, and they're falling by the wayside. We used to get like five, six comedies a year in the 90s, and now it's just like few and far between. Also, R-rated is hard to come down. Yes. I think TikTok and memes have. picked up a lot of slack, and I think executives are just nervous about making a certain movie or a certain theme. And so we're trying to go around them.

But I think people are craving it. I mean, Bus Boys is going to be a hit. I can tell. And, you know, the Joe Dirts, all these movies we grew up loving. So, like, I saw Wayne's World 2 in the theater. Yeah. Fuck, yeah. Big silly, silly movies.

Yeah, I do think. And it's maybe pretty much a cliche, but, people probably are craving it in a way. Can I go in and just laugh my ass off and just relax and not. Just escape. Yeah. I think executive, well, the DVD sales are gone now, so you lose all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And that hurt it. But I think executives are just like, they love an office space. They bring it up to them at a cocktail party. They go, I love that movie. And you go, you want to make one just like it? And they go, well, no one's going to see that. It is hard. I think they're frozen.

They're like they want to do it. No one wants to get fired. No one's making big moves. They're like, I could push it off or redevelop it and develop it until I just don't get fired. Because what if it comes out and offends people, then I'm out. Exactly. There's always the old-fashioned mock documentary, which costs like five cents. Shaggy camera.

Yeah. Well, Mark, we appreciate you coming on, buddy. None too pleased on Netflix. Check them out. It's been a pleasure. And I'm going to keep an eye on you. I'm going to watch your trajectory. Thank you.

It's an honor. You guys are both big fans and Take the Hit was huge for me and all that. So, hey, don't forget Police Academy. I do. Yeah. No one's mentioned that before. That's great. It's one of Dave's favorite.

It's so much fucking fun. Oh, my God. I was innocent. Did you see how hot Karen Stone was in it? Oh, unreal. I was like, who? And she was so nice on it. Now she looks like you.

But, yeah, I'm just kidding. I'd still go down on her. We're both offended. Thank you. See, that's the back, you think, and you're double tape. Of course, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

It's comedy. We've got to talk skateboarding one day at Spade. Oh, are you a skater? Okay, yeah. I skated for years. Oh, fuck, yes. Do you know Whitney's husband? Yes, Chris Cole. He's a killer. He rips.

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