Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Mike Myers and Paul Myers Talk Beatles and John Candy!

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Dana and David react to Nikki Glaser’s SNL performance and bring you another exciting Buzzing Around segment! Then, brothers Mike and Paul Myers drop by for a mini Wayne’s World reunion and to chat about the legendary John Candy, why Canadian comics seem to succeed, and a Beatles deep dive. Buy John Candy: A Life in Comedy Hardcover by Paul Myers: https://a.co/d/cV3PWuQ (add link to Paul's book with title of book" To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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My first big question is, and this is what a lot of people are talking about this week, is this sweatshirt purple? I say yes. Well, it depends on your monitor. If it is purple... Yeah. It's an extremely dark navy blue purple. Oh, my God.

It might be navy blue. It is navy blue. Is it? Navy. Oh, my God. It's Navy, you dunce. It's a purpley navy. Oh, Heather's trying to help me.

A purpley. Yeah, it's a navy blue. I mean, obviously, I have a green jacket on, right? Colorblind? I think I'm colorblind because this has happened twice. Mm-hmm. I'm not really colorblind, but I can't see. colors. Right. So it doesn't mean you're blind. You see weird colors. I think this is what

people do. They go, I think they say super smart people are colorblind. I love when they put that connection. People with itchy feet have a photographic memory. Yeah. Really? People with itchy skin are like geniuses. Okay, I want to jump in quickly, Dana, get your quick thoughts. I don't know if you caught it. Nikki, Glazer, friend of the show. Yes. Nikki Glazer, first of all, I am doing a tour, Dana. I'm going back on tour, so go to Davidspay.com if you can.

The dates are there. I saw them. The dates are there going all over, different cities. And I also do something with Nikki at Caesars next year. We're doing a little mini-residency. So I watch her on SNL, right? Yes, sweet Nikki. So Nikki had a great monologue, very long.

They're good about comedians. is they give them extra. Yes. Because you know when you're there, like sometimes I host every week you have a new monologue. You're like, okay, you're in a new HBO show. What could be your monologue?

It's kind of weird to do stand up there, but some people are very, because you work it out in clubs or theaters and it's just, it's just a whole different vibe. It sounds crazy that it's not a comedy crowd. It is, but it's not a comedy club crowd. No. Plus you have to, you know,

it's not like a tight. No, no, no. It's a great little room, S&L, of course. Yeah, it's an incredible room. And they handed her a mic like they do with Chappelle or whatever. You know, some people do stand up and just do the Lavalier mic, but she had an actual. I like a mic. I like when they just push you out and go, when I did my, this boring story, when I did my hosting the second time, Adam was in town.

So we were going to do the monologue together, right? So he was going to be a guy in the audience. Oh, that's right. And he was going to go, why? do this? Why do you do this? Why are you doing that? Yeah, yeah. He has questions. He keeps asking me questions. So we rehearse it. The morning of us and L. I get to rehearsal the morning, which is probably one in the afternoon. Yeah. And they go, oh, Adam just flew back to L.A. Waterboy opened this weekend and it was such a fucking huge hit. He has to go back and do whatever.

I was like, oh, great. Oh, wait. Oh, so no monologue. They're like, no, sorry. And I go, oh, and then Adam called me. He said, I'm sorry. I said, I know, no, no. I get it. Waterboy is a fucking smash, but he could have promoted it from the audience. He could have been dressed as a water boy in the audience. I know, but I know he had to go back for something important because he would have stayed.

So I had to go do stand-up, but I couldn't practice it. So I just, Lauren, why aren't you a stand-up? You don't need to practice. The crew will let you know. And so you know what happens, though, with

Nikki, with me, with everybody? What people do is what I want to do if I ever did that stack the band behind me to laugh because if you look sometimes they're like this they're holding their trumpet like this and you can hear some of the audience laugh but you really only can go visually by two people this guy and this girl over here and they've just heard almost the identical monologue 90 minutes before yeah address yeah They have to save some laughs, you know. And they've heard 500 monologues. And so they try to be pleasant, but you can catch them texting.

No, you can catch them kind of like just in their banjo. But when I saw Nikki, it's the mic and it's just raw dogging, just go. But the crowd likes her, you know, so she does some really good jokes. She dances outside the lines a little bit. I mean, she does some of the topics that she was. she landed go ahead yeah and some stuff i'd seen from when we're out together and even those because my act is a little all rated hers steps into some different areas outside the box but i like that and her crowd likes it and by by the way s&L when you're waiting for tickets for a year you might not

be a thousand percent her credit you're just getting a host and a show you just want oh yeah and they're not seeing her work out the material and they don't know if she's going to be a little rougher on the edges you know, she might... Right, they may not be just hyper familiar with her in terms of like... Anyway, so overall, great monologue, a lot of jokes I liked. Then she did a sketch about, I thought was funny about Jennifer Hudson's show where you walk in

and you dance on the way in and how she gets anxiety from that. Yeah. And now they have a drug for that. The Hudson Tunnel. The Hudson Tunnel and you've got to dance and people get nervous. Is the Hudson Tunnel because that's a real thing? thing in New York? They make a tunnel for you to go through.

But is there something called the Hudson Tunnel? What are those tunnels? Yeah, there's a Hudson Tunnel into Manhattan. Take the Hudson, yeah. Yeah, but her... So that's probably why they call it that. That's a good idea. So she danced through that, and then she has anxiety, and then they take a pill for it.

And that was a funny one. She had a couple things that I thought really were. And we talked before that about doing a... She had an idea to do... She said, do you care if I do a Hollywood Minute, but it would be fun if I did that, but I brought you on. and I thought that would be, I said, I don't know, we'd have to have really good jokes

because that's a tough one if the, because it's so rough that sometimes the jokes have to be. You got the visual element. Or you get, aw, boo. But joke straight to camera with Nikki. I thought, oh, that's actually great. So I said, yeah, I said, yeah, let's work on that. So we started working on it.

She got there and then it fell apart during the week. Sadly, because I was on the road and I was at Houston. I did a show then Tulsa and then I was going to go straight from Tulsa the day of the show which would have been scary get there at like four and then just come to rehearsal it

I think they rehearse update around dinner you know that that show is moving at the speed of Lord and you know things move and change and shuffle and there's all these different inputs into something getting cut or maybe we'll do it later so yeah you know what they already had update

they said well we already have update full. So it didn't work out. But one day we should do that because that was funny because Nikki would be the perfect person to do it. Yeah. She was going to say, I want to do this bit. And then Colin was going to say, isn't the Spade's bit? And she goes, he's going to come mentor me. So then we start doing it together. Right. That would have been fun. We'll do it someday. You know, that's one of your big bangers from S&L. So you coming out behind her, she's there, going to do it. Well, this guy, it's always fun to have it be a surprise. Good SNL, like, it's David's Fing.

Yeah, it's a good SNL situation. So she did a lot of good sketches. She, I thought she did a great job. I think she was happy with it. She said she liked it. Oh, yeah, she's a really good sketch player and comedic actress besides being a stand-up. She's, she handled herself. And she got to sing.

She can sing in real life. She was singing and that sister brother kind of karaoke thing where they're kind of little too friendly with each other you know that one was funny that was up top they rode the bull which was fucking full bananas like i like the kind they're just nuts like that i like that when it went into like an outer space thing yeah it's like so nuts with a song normal yeah yeah there was some really good sketches on that show and we would have had her on but it would have it would air like a week later you know so it's not right after but we will uh get some thoughts from her down the road and what else what was your weekend and you want to tell me about it I saw a donkey oh I saw

a donkey and on your farm or somewhere in the neighborhood at the beverly center no I was I was just trying to you know work out and stuff I was taking hikes up mountains oh you're a walk you're out for a walk hiking up mountains I do a little little thing you know I just try to keep it together I say I say I go hiking when literally I'm just walking, but I want to sound more L.A. But you actually hike because you're strong. Well, I like being in an oxygen debt. I like the feeling of it.

So if I go up a, if I hike, I'm rolling like this, and then there's a really 14 degree hill for about three minutes around here, then you're doing what I call redlining. Like your pulse is so high and you're sweating that, but you really, by the time you get to the top, you have to kind of go down on your you put your hands on your knees so i like going to that that and then i feel very relaxed you push it a little bit you know from high school called running man

with glen pal which is a remake of arnold swartzenegger yeah thought i might do a remake where it's called a walking man and they go for one billion dollars you have to walk eight thousand steps a day and i'm like i think i could do it instead of running man it should it should be trying to walk man it should be goal this bullshit about 10,000 steps is more than you think but let's see if you can do it for 30 days straight and if you just said it right now I probably could not well 10,000 steps it's hard 10,000 steps is kind of made up but people love the metric it is a good number you know what it did when I heard about the step counter my aside from you know bragging about it when I hit like 5,000. But it made me realize, oh, I get 10,000 a day. I just thought

that. And then you look at your step counter. I go, oh, I got 3,400 a day. And I go, I'm that far off just in a regular day. And I realize I'm in LA. I drive everywhere. So it made me get off my keyster and say, oh, it takes a lot to get to 10,000. You have to pull over. Like, if you have a light, you're driving here, you have a meeting, you go home, you have to read, you have to watch this, or you have to do this. So I'm sedentary a lot of the days, so I got to get up. That's good. I mean, they call a thing, they call it hit, you know, high interval training.

And so once in a while, like I say you're at the Beverly Center, go on the stairwell and just go up three flights of stairs. Once in a while for a couple minutes, get a little, get your heart rate up. And breathe a little hard, you know, stuff like that. Yeah. I call it rot, ROT. You just sit and rot all day. I call it. I call it D-C-D-I.

David can't do it. D-C-D-A. David can't do anything. Oh, the A, okay. Yeah. So that's something that's out there in the ether. High intensity is good to do once in a while. I know.

You just do it so you have more life force and, you know, look at us on this podcast. Look at our energy. It's unbelievable. Look at us. We're grinding. We're doing a straight hour of the toughest thing you can do. They say this other than swimming podcasting is the second hardest on all of your body parts. Right. Well, I'm in, I don't have a chair. I'm just in a low, deep squat. This is just a fake thing attaches to my back. To your shoulders. Attached my shoulders. It looks like I'm in a seat, but I'm in a dense squat. Do you mind if I take a selfie right now? This is nostalgia? Oh, you want to take? Oh, okay. Too late. I see what you're doing. Get me in my purple sweater.

We do have guests today. We have our old friend, Mikey Myers. You know him from Shrek. Wayne. Austin Powers. Three monster hits, of course, among many others. Shrek. And his brother, Paul, we're going to talk about the Beatles.

We're going to talk about John Candy. But we're going to do a segment called Buzzing Around real quick. And this is sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new cranberry lime flavor. Perfect way to cut through your holiday food-induced coma. Head to your local retailer or www.5hourenergy.com to order yours today. And so I'm going to give you four people I wrote down that I know you do impressions of. And then you're going to put them in a scenario. Last week it was getting pulled over.

It could be that. It could be anything you want. So I'm going to give you ready. Okay. Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson. Jim,

Jim Fallon. I do them, kind of. Okay. You've got to get them in there somewhere. Paul McCartney. Okay. And one of my favorites, Senator Kennedy. Why they're all hanging out together?

I don't know. But you figure it out. You have 10 minutes to prep. No, 10 seconds. Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to do them again driving around and getting pulled over. Okay, that's a good scenario. Okay. So I guess I need a sound effect from you, maybe.

Brum, burn. Didn't you hear, did you not hear there? Pull it over, please. By the way, I'm doing, I'm Senator Kennedy. Okay, just the siren. Be, beep, beep, beep. Can I see your license and registrations? my words not yours please roll down the window I need a sound effect oh sorry I'm sure what seems to be the problem the problem is the way I say it is I estimate you were going in excess of 120 miles an hour your speed not mine

well shy officer i didn't know that this is a new corvette maybe i was a bit lead-footed oh what uh who is the gentleman next to you he looks familiar well my name's paul mccartney i was in a band called the beals you know the beetles i remember frankie avalon was he one of one of the band members in the beetles my words not yours no frankie was sort of a beach boy sort of guy yeah But we were the Beatles and we would plonk. When you say plonk, is that some kind of agricultural reference? What do you mean plon? Well, John and I would look at each other with the guitars and we start plonking away, you know?

Yeah. And that's how we came up with Abbey Road. True story. Now, I don't remember anything called Abby Road. I remember the Christmas album of Perry Como. you ever heard that now that's good stuff good clean fun who's who's in the back seat okay now excuse me you have passenger back there what's your name oh that's um that's jimmy fallon i go on the show a lot jimmy say hello and this is it crazy crazy he's a center

john kennedy he's a headway for trumpet it's really weird it's really crazy that's right i do do this, so does Donald Trump, we sometimes moonlight as a highway patrolman. You got a problem with that? No, Paul McCartney is insane. This is crazy. Johnny Carson, he's not even alive. He's in heaven. I don't know. All right. It was good. Okay, so what we had there was you had all four people in a situation. I thought you did a great job. Believe it or not. That was buzzing around.

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That's right. I wore a t-shirt in honor of... Oh. You might notice this is a custom t-shirt. The Ringo is in a different order. Oh, it's in here now. Oh, it's usually Georgian. Oh, great.

He's here. Oh, I hear Mike. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It works. It works. It's the BVC one. Come in.

Come in. Hey, baby, say. Um, okay. So you still... Yes, you're there. Yeah. Uh, second day here. Yes.

Uh, Mike. I was going to wear a Trump. Toronto Police hat as well You can always call that audible. We have no rules obviously. We have Mike pushes Canada more than almost anyone. You do a good job. You must be like a hero.

Well, you know what? It's when he attacked us, that was rough. You know, hurt our feelings. We love Americans. Oh, good. Yeah, I think I still like Canada. I didn't know I didn't like them, but I guess I was kind of.

We had a guess on recently who kind of knows Donald Trump, like talks to him. He said that, I'm paraphrasing, the guy, Donald Trump wakes up every day and just sees, if it's someone, he's mad at someone, he'll just mess with him. So I said, so when he said, well, we'll make candidate our 51st day, he was joking. That's what he said. Of course he had no intent. He didn't go well, I'll tell you that. But Trump's a little, you know, you don't go, is he serious?

Because then I started thinking, well, my wife's from Canada. We do flow together nicely. Yes. Oh, yeah. All my important people are Canada. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It's madness.

We have a very important announcement. Yes. It's your brother's shirt. And there's a difference in the order. John Paul. We got these. So why the Ringo before George? Yeah.

Yeah, this is interesting. Yeah. It's what we call a whim. It was a whim. It was me not remembering how the sequence went and I'm feeling very pro-ringo at the time. And we had somebody, we had a friend. This is based on a international jet set design. That's the name of the company.

And they had George third. And I know that he's the third songwriter in the band. And that's why he's third. Right. I was feeling so pro-ringo that I had the shirts commission. Mike has one somewhere in storage. I think it was on the storage. It's just it didn't make it down.

down to New York, yeah. I guess that's what I meant. You're storing it somewhere else, but not easy with the storage accusations. It's in Provo, Utah, and it's all very hush-hush. Yeah, it's very quiet. Something with a data center, Elon Musk, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's all good.

So strictly need to know. But I would get, getting back to Beatle nerd for a second, Paul and Ringo had their own special relationship as the rhythm section. So I always wanted to, and you guys could relate to this, back to the Beatles. In 1965, my dad was an ex-Army guy. So he would literally give us crew cuts, me and my three older brothers. There are four of us. There's three of you guys.

And I always wanted to have kind of beetly, messy hair around 1965. So, and obviously, Paul kind of as well. That's not, it's disordinated. But that's not a hairpiece. That's your actual hair, because it is amazing. Who? Mine or Paul's? Well, your hair is just very...

Your hair looks cool. Yeah. No, that's my... It's military. Mike always had good hair. Even back on the show, I was quietly jealous. It's true. The gray as it stays.

That's my theory. Oh, yeah. As long as it's something. Mike, how do you feel about me telling the secrets of your childhood haircuts? Because Mike was the guy who, if he didn't like the barber in the family haircut, he would storm out and say, I'm going to go get my own haircut. Whoa. and we were like

you can do that and I had the money to do it that was a hero how old were you when you said this when did you get struck money I did TV commercials Oh really? Yeah yeah

Were you cute I was cute but can I just say that were you cute that you just the reading of that was maybe the creepiest reading of were you

adorable there was an undertone I didn't want to mention it comes out once in a while I don't know what it means. I'm not going to go there. No, but Mike, I learned that when I was an airplane, when you say to a baby, oh, my God, you're so cute.

You have to say it like that. You can't go, oh, my God, you're good looking. Yes. No. Okay, just go find your seat. It is all in the... You know what, I'm just going to get a Coca-Cola. Get a Coca-Cola.

I want to do one thing before we get in the Beatles anyway, which is Paul. Paul wrote a book. Yeah, there we go. Yes, it's true. Paul wrote a book about John Candy. Do you want to tell that journey of where you wrote the book and then what happened with the documentary? There it is.

Yeah. John Candy, my life in comedy. Well, the story of me writing that book, thank you very much for mentioning it, Dana. The story of me writing that book is that I had written a book about the Canadian sketch legends, the kids in the hall. That's right. And that was published by a company called House of a Nancy Press. And they really liked the book. And they said, you know, we want you to do another book.

And I wanted to do like a sketch comedy book. And then my editor actually said, a guy named Doug Richmond, he said, if you do it about just John Candy from Second City, you could also get to talk about all those cool movies he made. And I was like, dude, that's my next book. And I spent three and a half years sort of, you know, searching out Steve Martin, Dan Aykroyd, Catherine O'Hara. pretty much everybody who you need to talk to, and people that you didn't know you needed to talk to, like people who worked on the shows, people who worked in the crews and people who wrote some of the scenes for SCTV that you don't hear their names all the time. And it was just they all had stories about John and I put together this idea of who John Kennedy was and why we still love him like 30 years after he died. We miss him, dude. Yeah, we miss him.

He might be one of the most universally liked performers that literally I have never heard one negative thing about it. It's true. He was very nice to me. So you wrote this book, which I'm reading, by the way, and I'm loving it because, for me, being in the world I'm in, I went up through stand-up, but Mike went through, you know, different Second City and all that. So it's very interesting how through John Candy, you go, you're really getting into the nitty-gritty details, which I have to say, it is different reading this book than the documentary that is out, that is great, that weirdly came out. And I remember talking to Colin Hanks and going, you know, Paul Myers is doing a book about, you know, John Candy. And he went, huh, and he walked away. No, I made that up. But that can be great.

But this book is so detailed and so experiential as far as the grease paint and the food and everything. I'm just really enjoying it. So great job. Well, thank you. You know, when I was writing the book, I knew that they were the candy family who I consulted before I even started doing that. Jennifer Chris and the mother Rose and you know John's widow Rose and they are great people and I contacted Jennifer and I said I want to do this book this is three years ago I want to do this book about John Kennedy I'm going to be respectful to your dad who's a hero of mine I wrote about these

kids in the hall and I'm familiar with the world of Second City through my brother and she said oh we know who you are we think you're going to do a great job but we are making a film of our own so I hope you don't mind but we're going to make our own movie and I said oh cool And at that point, Colin Hanks wasn't involved. And then I kept following their progress, but I didn't know where they were. And then we announced about a year ago, October 7th was our release date for John Candy, A Life and Comedy. Thank you.

And then I've got about two months by Paul Myers, yes, House of a Nancy Press. You know, it's available everywhere. And then about somewhere in that process about two months later, there was an announcement that they were premiering their film. Ryan Reynolds produced, Colin Hanks directed. I like me and it was going to be on Amazon three days after our book comes out. And you might think that's like a bad timing, but I think it's the best timing. It's like because now everyone's seeing the pictures of John Candy and a generation that maybe

didn't even know the genius of John Candy is now conversing to him to the point where they're going to want to read. Yeah, it's not another. And Ryan reached out to me too afterwards and he said, let's do an event together. So we're on the same team. We're all on team candy. Yeah. And I do think that, yeah, it's not like it's another biography about John Canty.

They can work together. And the awareness now, it usually comes in threes, but it is interesting historically where all of a sudden everyone goes, John Candy, you know, and I only knew him through his movies and Second City and that, but it's his journey. What did you, I'm just curious off. Obviously, his kindness and all that is there. What was the other surprises about your investigation? sort of, or your immersive thing of finding out who this guy was.

I was surprised to learn, and I guess it made sense, that he was a great actor first, before he even wanted to be a comic or comedian. He'd started on the stage in Toronto, and he'd been, his idols were people like Charles Lawton. You would never think that, you know, but, and Jackie Gleason, of course, so he loved comedy. He was a huge fan of the Dick Van Dyke show and things like that, but he really wanted to do dramatic arts. And if you think about it, the, I'm going to sound like an egg hit here, but the emotional intelligence that he brought to his roles, even a big broad character like Ox from Stripes, he brought that certain actorly sense of this isn't just a guy making a

joke. This is, this is somebody who has a life, you know, and it doesn't have to show you the life. It's just there. And he presents it. And I don't know nothing about acting, but I know that that he seemed like he had something going on there. Yeah. And that confirmed by people like Oliver Stone who said when he put him in JFK, remember John Kennedy had a small part of JFK, and it was a very serious role. And Candy's commitment to getting the New Orleans accent

and working on actually portraying Dean Andrews Jr., Oliver Stone said, this guy could do anything. This guy should be, he kind of predicted that he would be on the Academy Awards best actor list at some point. Sadly, he passed away before. How did he pass away? but it was a 1994 so we were we all in the show or you were done dana by then yeah i i i was still i just left mike was i think mike was might you still there 94 uh shit because i mean

i was of course hit through those movies from you know uncle buck to even blues brothers it's always fun to see movie with all but buddies you can tell and he's like the orange whip orange whip orange whip but just bringing you when you throw him anything can't stop watching him you just know if this guy says yes to this movie i don't care what size the part is that's a guy and then you just grow to say oh this guy i have to see what he does so that was a fun for me never saw him though he almost hosted s&l once but he didn't he almost there was rumors he was going to come in and host SNL but well he almost joined the cast and Andrew at Andrew Alexander at second city said I'll pay you anything to not yeah cast of s they've been losing they lost

acroyd and gilded to to SNL and this is the second city stage right so before us CTTV ever went on the air they had started rate Lauren had started raiding the cast which is obviously you would if you're Lauren Michaels get the smart yeah some but and and and and as second city didn't have a TV show yet. And the whole reason for SCTV was as a way to stop from hemorrhaging talent. And they end up making their own version of it that, and you can see in the book, I just want to say Dan Aykroyd is a great connective tissue in this book because not only did, you know, John Candy first audition for Second City Stage because of Dan Aykroyd.

Ackroyd and Valerie Bronfield pushed him into auditioning. He gets picked up, sent to Chicago to work with Bill Murray and learn comedy ropes with a young Bill Murray. And then he gets, and then Akroy puts him in the Blues Brothers. They were in 1941 together, the Steven Spielberg comedy. And then, you know, the great outdoors. And it's just like all through it. And then Aykroyd wrote the most amazing eulogy at John's Los Angeles funeral. And that is why when I went to Dan Aykroyd after writing this book and having these great stories, I said, there's no one else I want to have to write the forward, but Dan Aykroyd, and he just did it. in the forward going, who wrote this? It's so poetic. And then I finally, oh, Dan Aykroyd, you know, a minute ago, before we had technical difficulties. Mike, you had an intersection. I just want to hear that for a second.

Oh, yeah. Mike, Mike, tell the great story about you and John Candy. There's only two people that I've ever waited outside a stage door for. One was Lily Tomlin, and the other one was John Candy. And John came out, and I said, I said, oh, John, I'm a big fan. I want to do what you do. And he said, you should join the Second City workshops and told me where it was and all that stuff. And Tim Kazerinsky was there and he was like super, super positive and helpful. So I went and took the Second City workshops after seeing him. And then after Wayne's World, I went up to Toronto, visit my family.

And I was at Wayne Gretzky's restaurant. Couldn't be more Canadian than that. And across the way is John Candy. I'm sorry, John Kennedy, and I was like, holy shit, he's coming over. I said it's a joke to my friend, and he was. And he came over and gave me a big hug. And so happy for a Scarborough boy to do so well. And congratulations.

He was just so incredibly gracious and fantastic. And that actually meant more to me than a lot of things that happened during that really exciting time of Wayne's world, you know. It's always surreal. And whenever people, you know, pass the. torch or like you must have people come up to you mike and you've and you saw them in something and you know it's it's very nice if it means something to some young performer you know the only thing i say to people is someone at a hocus store this woman i'm in the ground lanes and i said the only thing i say it's not profound at all i just say just work on yourself don't listen to who's

making it or anybody else all you can do is try to be better it's pretty obvious he's like oh okay Because it's easy to get caught up in the drama and neurosis and unfairness of show business and the pressure. I still talk about that. Yeah, Spade and I are, well, we'll talk later. But anyway, so, yeah, the book, John Candy, A Life and Comedy. And, boy, Uncle Buck, playing trains at automobiles with Steve Martin. That was such a, that one hits hard. Yeah.

That's a perfect movie. Yeah, it was so great. James Hughes, the son of John Hughes. Hughes talked to me about just the relationship that his father, John Hughes, had with John Candy. And when you realize that, the two families would vacation together. And they're both from, like, you know, Hughes is from Chicago where he's a hockey fan and they have snowy winters. And John, of course, is from Toronto, where they have snowy winters and hockey. And they had a lot in common beyond that. And then they both moved to Brentwood around the same

time. And so they were both adjusting to sort of being outsiders in Hollywood, but they were both at the peak of their careers. So when he wrote Plains Trains and Automobiles, Hughes, he really understood who John Candy was as the lead. And he kind of put a lot of truth into it. And there's that great speech, the what we call the I like me scene where John, his character,

Del Griffith finally erupts at Steve Martin and says, you know, I like me. My wife likes me. My kids like me, you know, and my customers like me and I'm who I am and I'm not changing. And it's like it could be John Candy talking. and that's one of those great moments like De Niro and Scorsese

where you have the two of them together I said Scorsesey sorry I'm busting myself for no reason nobody was going to bust me and I just went and did that Mike knows all about it I was just The read through your book and mentioning some of it to my wife

and then she just said just casually it's not something that hasn't been talked about before but when you read the book you go what the hell is it with Canada with this low popular with this massive Hall of Fame comedians. 80% of Canada is good comedians.

It's kind of crazy and all coalescing in this same time. You know, it's sort of mind-blowing. And then the sensibility of SCTV did seem quintessentially Canadian. Or there's something about that show for an American watching it and just going, holy shit, there's just a frequency they're in

that is not American, but man, was it funny? And it's not English either. Yeah, what is it? It's somewhere in between. We're an observer nation, you know what I mean? Yeah. Because we don't have, I mean, we have an identity. Actually, the kids today in Canada have way more a sense of themselves than we did growing up.

And what would you describe that identity as? It's, um, it's. Well, you have a lot of creative icons and Lorne Michaels have emerged over, at least in the arts. And also musicians. But I think of the nicest country I've ever been in is Canada. As far as the people treating me, I just, it was freaky. Yeah, they love both of you guys up there. But can I just say, I'd like to take the question a little bit and say that I have talked to a lot of,

because I did the Kids in the Hall book last. And Kids in the Hall and Mike and Mike and Dan Aykroyd and Catherine Harry and Eugene Levy. All these people have shown a generation and two generations. generations and three generations what it means to be funny on the world stage, but also to be quintessentially Canadian while you're doing it. And then what happened was a lot of these people, this happened in a lot of areas with the YouTube generation, there's a lot of people that are just making comedy, they don't even think beyond the borders of the internet. So they accidentally make something that's regional and specific for Canadians. So they have their own heroes. And they never, we never used to, we used to get validation from outside source. And we still do, but, you know, just like the Beatles had to go around the world, but they still kept their Liverpool thing.

And I think that's what's going on in contemporary Canada as we've got a whole, I say we, I don't live there, but I just spent a lot of time there recently. I found that in Calgary people just had their own thing and they would love to export it and they do, but they're really not thinking about, not all thinking about taking it away. I mean, I love Canada, and if I'd stayed in Canada, I'd be fine and all that stuff. But I really did want to come to America, you know what I mean? Because that's the center of the center. Or I wanted to be in England, and I was in both places. I went to England to be part of the English comedy thing. And I think that's kind of, but I also just, I knew one thing.

I could probably be a hockey player, because I'm from Canada, and I could probably be in comedy. Do you mean? One of the other? It's possible. One of the other. Well, you've seen it happen. I know that we can do this. that you know what I mean it seemed possible were you thought when they were kids were you

taught or was the mindset America's inferior to Canada or better or the same like were you think I should I really want to make it in America or they thought America is not where you want to be that's no I would say I'd say I think the world recognizes that American show business is the best in the world and I mean okay and that's why you know even on Wayne's world you know we had a Dutch camera guy and Czech clapper loader and like everybody was from everywhere else you know what I mean

and it really is the in terms of entertainment you know sure I mean they say that the Star Wars program brought down Soviet Union you know SDI but I think it was the movie Star Wars more than anything where they went holy shit you have enough

story power and enough economy power to make a whole other universe, you know what I mean? That's better than our universe. You know what's interesting about that story too is that you mentioned Star Wars and what happened was, you know, America is the show, the show, right? And that's what happened with, you know, all the people who go to, Lauren takes the show and creates, Lauren Michaels creates S&L in, in New York City. And he always tells people like the kids in the hall, learn how to have your show play in Indianapolis, you know, learn how to, you know, it's not just about the borders where you are. It's about everyone seeing it in all the

the platforms, right? But when Star Wars started interesting thing because there's an animation program at Sheridan College in Toronto that they helped create industrial light and magic. And so they drained all the talent from Sheridan College and created

this thing in Marin County. And it was initially staffed by like, I don't know the percentages, but around 60% Canadian. I didn't know that. And it's again, the thing is come to the show, bring the show at the world and the Beatles came to the show. You know, the Beatles wanted to be on Ed Sullivan.

They were conquered Britain, but they hadn't conquered America. American show business is the best in the world. And, you know, even my mom, when she saw Wayne's World, she said, oh, that dayne is very good, isn't he? Oh, she was funny that way. She was funny that way. And she was like, it's just Americans. They have it, don't they? Just Americans just happen.

Not all. Well, Canada, also Jim Carrey. Jim Carrey, yeah. You know. He's fantastic. Yeah. Exploded. Norm McDonald.

The Norm McDonald. So there is, I'm from Canada. Norm McDonald, T-H-E-E. There is no other Norm MacDonald, God rest of soul. I mean, his... Mm-hmm. So anyway, what about great outdoors? Is that a John Candy?

Yeah. Yeah, John Candy and Ted Ackroy, two-hander, as they say. Yeah, it was great. And it was so, anyone who watches that from Canada, we'll see that that's what we call the cottage, you know, which you would call cabin life, you know. And it's totally like Southern Ontario kind of setting, but it's actually set in California.

But, you know, that's what you did in Wayne's World, Mike, you made Aurora, Illinois be basically a stand-in for Scarborough, Ontario, right? Yeah, but then it's all the North American suburbs are all the same, you know what I mean? Yeah. And heavy metal is all the same everywhere. Like, you could, you know, you see kids in Argentina dressed like Wien and Garth, you know, it's true. Heavy metal culture, that kind of thing.

Yeah, true. But, you know, Penelope did a great job, too. just creating an authentic world for that movie. Yeah, because she knew the, the terrain. Well, we had via, of course, Mike, the creator, you know, Stan Makitas, you know, a lot of stuff from your childhood, but it's all variations on a theme. Everyone, and, you know, I only had my own little theory

with that was just that the two guys, you live with your, we live with our parents, we have an AMC PACER, we're nowhere, We have no real money or any and we're just the happiest people. And my family too, I had the brothers and his sister, we were, we would make rituals out of stuff. Everything would be a game or we'd be watching a Boris Karloff movie, all night movies and you have to run to the mailbox and come back and stuff like you guys did, I'm sure. And that's what makes Wayne's World just mean fun, you know, because they're having fun almost all the time besides the

truth I don't know who was trying to steal your love interest Roblo the first one yeah anyway besides that go ahead but as brothers just for a second in Canada there's a rumor that you guys were rough and tumble like you threw Mike out in the snow one day or something I mean I had all kinds of stuff like that oh yeah

I mean we yeah when uh guilty was it like the first week of first year Saturday Night and we were at the Rivoli and we had a fist fight remember that Yeah, as as as as as as as as was happens. I can't remember why on earth it got to that level. We often fought it would often be like the Scottish people which is I love you. I'm not get out get out you.

You know what I mean? It may have been whether the buzzcocks were better than the sex pistols or something like that. Like it really something that really doesn't matter now. But but at the time it's like it was very fast. Perhaps alcohol was involved. Alcohol was involved. Years were involved. Did anyone get someone in a headlock?

And the guy in the headlock said, cut it out, cut it out to that. Did it go to that level? Oh, Peter used to do that. My brother, Peter, used to do spit suck, you know, the thing right on my fucking head. Oh, yeah, where the flags, you remember flags? Almost gets to your head. Yeah, I was a bottom in that situation. And then the last one was Japan, which was, wham.

Well, it's just, people with not a lot of money. It's cold and you're inside. and it's a Sunday afternoon. Yeah. You're like, bounce out. I once dragged Mike around by his, pulling his ankles and his head hit the side of a counter, and you got a small cut in your head,

and I thought I'd killed you. And I was like, I remember thinking, looked at your face, you were like, what the hell, what the hell? And I was like, Jesus, it raining in here? And it was my blood. I looked like a wrestler. Is it raining like the shiny in here? Yeah, yeah.

And that's it. What I love is my reaction, my reaction to having thought I'd killed my brother is I got on my little 10 speed bike and I ran, I rode to the end of the street, hit in a park for two hours and thought, I guess the statute of limitations is up. I can come home now. You know, it was like, I don't understand why I thought that was the solution if I really had killed him. Oh, just make a break for it. Ah, but we were great. Yeah, we did. Oh, we had, well, I don't know if I had fights. I just got beat up a lot or, but it was quick, you know, I was.

Pints, pint size, you know, and three older brothers. But mostly, you know, most of we just had a lot of fun. My brother, Brad, the, you know, he fixed this old machine where you slid a thing, like it was a bowling alley. And we did get a bumper pool table. And then we would just play. And we were left alone. It was pre-micromanaging parenting, obviously.

No one knew where you were, had no helmets, you know, all that stuff. Mike. Lawn darts, right? Illegal. Imagine lawn darts now. Yeah, jarts. Yeah. We played with darts, and I threw it, and it went like that, and it just hit my brother inside his thigh where it was sticking out.

Darts and jarts should be illegal still. So. They should be or should not be. They should be. I think they were pretty, I mean, jarts, a few kids, and they would have died from jarts. All right. So here, just as a background. here so I just thought for myself I thought guy I just every time we talk about the Beatles I love it and I've been on Paul Myers podcast the official name or where you get it is Paul Myers podcast the record store day podcast with Paul Myers it's sponsored by record store day but it's on every week of the year thank you for the okay so well we went on that and I realized that you know of course with Mike over the years you know the Beatles and the clash you know he has a other pump plane he does beetle fanatic and then when I meet him I can recognize one and

And then you were crazy into the beels. So I thought, I called Mike and I had the best time, though. Yeah, no, when you were on our show, by the way, I pimped you to just talk about Paul McCartney. And I think the promise I made to you was, because I know I'm sensitive to comedians doing freebies on other people's shows. I don't mind. I said, you won't have to do material. You don't have to do material. Just come on and talk about the beels and do it.

And that's all we want you to do. And that Fred Armisen's been on the show for the same reason. And I knew that you got it because music was such a big, you know, chop and broccoli. you know like you knew music it's so well it wasn't that sophisticated but thank you let it be i don't mind i i could do poll this poll now today i could do him

all day long you know i just i'm doing it older but i never can get tired of the question thing at the end yeah i get a bit older but uh so anyway so i called i called mike and just said do you want to come on with paul it because he's a because i just love talking about the beetles so that was the idea and then we

now we're here and so let's talk about the beetles but um i think it took us five seconds to say yes by the way uh we'll do it again but uh so anyway as a way to start off because i there's the reason we talk about the beetles is because we want to celebrate them i think because we why are you talking about the beetles again and we come up with what album whatever okay so here's the first one i'll do i do sometimes better melody And I love her or she's leaving home? She's leaving home for me. Do you want to take this one?

Yeah. I agree. I think, I think so. She's leaving home is maybe underrated only because we hear Let It Be and Hey, Jude, and a lot of different songs a lot out in the world. Yeah. Super Bowl or in Canada, you know. But she's leaving home.

What is your favorite melody, though? My favorite melody is Martha, my dear. Oh, that's good. Another McCartney, by the way. I think Michael McKeon might have said that was the best Beatles song. I think so, too. Other my dear, it's like almost a little Mozarty. It's got chamber pop.

It's got, it's got a, it could have been played in a Victorian sitting room. Yeah. It could have been like on a spin it piano. I want to get back to she's leaving home before we move on to that, though, because she's leaving home does something that McCartney, he was the adventurous one most of the time with the melodies. And I think John was pushing the envelope with chords in production. But she's leaving home does this.

Friday morning of... Very pop. And then there's a counterpoint with the strings. Like the... And they're all like... It's like two swans or eagles or something. And that is the most exciting thing with McCartney when he does that. And I think...

Also, he's telling a story in that song that is more literal than most of his stories. you know, because I love Paul McCartney, but a lot of times it's definitely stream of consciousness to the point where what the hell is he talking about? I mean, one of my favorite songs is getting closer from the Wings' later album, back to the egg. And he talks about my salamander and got to beware of snipers in the middle of a song

that's a happy song about driving. What about I am the walrus, though? I mean, see, I'm the walrus is John's fantastic. Well, that's one of those songs. didn't exist and does exist. And I still would say it's not even the 20-25 hasn't caught up to it. Right. Good point.

And you'd think the lyrics are gibberish, but the whole is greater than some of the parts. Yellow Man and Custer dripping from a dead dog's eye. It's like, I don't need to know and try to figure that out. I'm just feeling. That man spoke for my generation with that line. I think who can. But I think that owes more. The thing about that song owes more to the beat.

don't you think the beat poets yes that to me's more but i'll tell you the truth out the truth is john then non sequiters and yeah yeah i think yeah i think beat poetry helped enable that idea of words being less literal but john actually says he wrote that song because some egghead critic had written about how smart and how there's several layers working and he and he says now who knows of his liverpool just teasing but he said that he wrote that song uh and the walrus and as a kind of a dare to see if anyone would take it seriously. Well, one thing, he was kind of aware that he was pushing. When you, when you think about the Beatles, this is a more macro question,

but it's sort of like you got the first part, you know, like, I'm a walrus. You're like, okay, and sometimes I listen and I go, okay, I know where he's going. How did he come over, sitting in the English go? He goes all the way in this, as good as the main, I don't know words, what the main part is, that is also. Yeah, yeah. And it's a little bit like she's leaving home again. I assume that Lennon wrote the melody when he does the refrain.

We gave a vest of a or influenced it, right? Yeah. It's hard. You know, I don't know because they did actually help each other a lot. Like, because you know the famous story about Hey Jude is. Paul wrote that song, for instance, for, yeah, that shoulder line. He wrote it for Julian Lennon. It was called Hey, Jules.

And he says, I'm changing the movement you need is on your shoulder. And John said, you bloody won't. Your bloody won't change it. you know and so they were helping each other that way so i think maybe john on um i'm the walrus might have been thinking almost predicting what paul would do because he goes like i am me and you are me and it's like don't don't but then all of a sudden sitting in an english guard and it's like like paul would put the um how do i say this twee and it's not twee in a bad way but it's what we love about mccartney about martha my dear is that it's a little more dainty you know

where the other parts are almost heavy metal. Like, you know. Oh, totally. I just wonder about that. Yeah, well, that's why. I wonder if they were finishing each other's thoughts at that point. Well, let's talk about across the universe, though. I've been able to talk about that for all day, I think that.

That's my favorite in Paul and Dana, you guys may know better than me, but that's, that's John, right? That's all John. Yeah, that's John 100%. And I believe, and I don't know the timing of it, but didn't he. kind of play it for the other three in the let it be documentary at one point

and they're all sitting there listening so I wonder if he sort of went off and finished it himself but I believe that's all John and it's John's one of his favorite lyrics the thing too where he hangs he hangs on what do they call them like with a pedal bass where you play the same

you hang on the same note he tends to like in Dear Prudence he tends to do that Paul goes up and down John hangs on one note, right, and things move around him. Well, what they do is he moves notes inside, like, so it's essentially the same chord all the way through, but then there's a melody like in Dear Prudence where it goes like, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang. But the bass is slightly moving, but it's the same dang, dang, dang, dear Prudence.

And the guitar is playing that. Dang, dang, dang, dang, all the way through it. And it becomes hypnotic because you're kind of, I'm sure psychedelics were involved. But they were tripping on that sort of a Raga, you know, like create a repeating thing that makes you not remember where you are. And then it works more hypnotical. The lyrics of across the universe always got me, you know. Yeah.

I feel like that's, oh, yeah, no. I feel like that's what it would be if you actually went across the universe. I mean, I know that sounds really corny. Good point. But like that's one of those ones where I, if I listen to that on headphones by myself, I do get a little, I feel the coldness of space. And it's like, you know what I mean? Yeah, because just staying across the universe with that melody, it's, it's, it's profound, you know.

And it's empty, too. It's a little, tell me if I'm, right, it's cold. It's not a warm production, right? It's a stark production, yeah. And then there's a Phil Spector version where they added the kids choir going like, ah, and I actually prefer, there's a version that was on one of the anthologies where it's, make it pretty much yeah yeah and you remember on the the demo tape he he does he wanted to get this little rhythm like it's like a check a tick a check it tick underneath it and so he started saying

sugar plum fairy sugar plum fairy right and sugar plum fairy was kind of the uh the engine for him of what the rhythm of the song was going to be i mean these guys at that time were like allowed to do this they were allowed to just dream and you know they went to rishikesh to study with the maharishi and they ended up writing like 18 songs each paul and john and And I think George, too, and a lot of the songs that came out later, like, jealous guy by John Lennon, was actually started in Reschic Keshe when they were studying with the Maharishi, you know, and sexy Sadie, of course, is actually about it. I often, you know, just because of the Let It Be documentary

and seeing Paul, when Paul, we interviewed Paul, whoops, and he goes, I thought I was a bit bossy, you know, with the illness. But I did point out to him, I said, you were so enthusiastically playing. on everyone else's song. Like if it was John's song or, oh, okay, let me help you, you know. And so, oh, yeah, yeah. I lost my train of top, but anyway. No, sexy, Sadie.

Sexy Sadie. But aren't we glad he was bossy if he was bossy? It got him, I think he was a de facto producer, but he can help me, this Paul can help me with that, perhaps. But he could sing all the harmony, he had a greater range, he could play all the instruments. he's kind of an arranger that's how i was thinking of sexy sadie because lenin maybe wrote the chords on the guitar it's utterly lenin but the opening piano riff the slight echo on it and it's

so broad and wide and bizarre and paul's playing that so i didn't know in that moment does paul kind of in terms of cadence or i'm not sure how he intersects like obviously dear prudence we know at least at least until maybe wringo plays the solo at the end that's a controversy currently But we know Paul is playing the bass. That's what I wanted to tell Paul. John Lennon loved you. I don't care what. You guys were only 29.

John Lennon loved you because you can't write a song and have a guy come and go. Here's the baseline, which I think is brilliant in Dear Prudence, and the drumming. And, of course, you'll sing the harmony. So you discuss amongst yourself. What do you say, coffee talking? Well, I just want to say this about Paul and John.

So I've been doing a lot of reading lately about the relationship between Paul and John. There's this great book called Paul and John. a love story and song by Ian Leslie. And it really, really explores to an almost homoerotic level about how intensely they cared about each other's opinion of each other. And they, even when they were fighting, they were fighting in a lover's quarrel kind of way.

It was all quality control. That's the whole thing. Everything, you know, it was. The bar was so high. About quality control. Like, is this going to be good enough to have the Beatles name on it? You know what I mean? Exactly.

And so in the movie, let it be, you can sort of see in the get back version. You can really see that Paul, at this point, you know, Brian Epstein has passed away their manager. George Martin isn't involved in this session. So nobody's going to push the rock up the hill. Paul looks at John and says, have you written songs? Oh, yeah. Because I'm thinking about it. You know, I'm thinking about doing it.

And Paul's like rubbing his eyes going, we're doing this show, because that was the thing. That's a live show with all new material, which is such a crazy thing. thing to try. But he says, you know, I just want you to have a voice in this. So he's so excited when they bring in, I dig a pony and I've got a feeling. You can see, and two of us is a Paul song, but you can see John is feeling like it's about Linda, but it might be about him and John. You know, it's kind of about the, because they stare at each other when they're singing it. And you really get a feeling that what Paul, what we're watching that movie is Paul pushing everybody to the point where they're mad at him.

Like George is like, stop pushing me. But he just wants the Beatles to have the Beatles again. And then within a year or two, of course, they do Abbey Road. But within a year, he's up in his farm, Paul's up in his farm in Scotland, crying his eyes out and not getting out of bed. And Linda says, you've got to do something. And now he's the guy who needs to be pushed. And he writes, maybe I'm amazed.

You know, like it's like, it's a beautiful, to me, that's a movie right there. I almost hope nobody makes it because I, Isn't there a part where George and Paul were kind of fighting and because Paul was, you know, and go like doodoo, you know, whatever. But then afterwards, I think George, they're kind of stopped rehearsing. And he's, George is asking Paul, what do you think, Paul, you know, I think it was about, here comes the son or one of the Abbey Road, you know. So it's still in that moment.

And I think I said this on your podcast, but the only because I love to discuss the Beatles, and especially John and Paul's a relationship, there's no other band during that era that they ever could have been in where they were not, sometimes not sure they were the, quote, best guy in the band. Right. You know. And there's no other band with the output of both of them.

They could have been. They're absolutely the best guy in the band. And so the miracle that they came together is almost divine or something. Yeah. I mean, think about while my guitar gently weeps. Right. You think if George Harris is up later and you go, something and you go.

Here comes the son. If he was the hey, guys, wait up guy, you know what I mean? That's the third place, yeah. He would have mean like the guy in any other band in the universe. You. Yeah, and then the argument is, the argument that I was going to say that they always make about George is that he obviously had it, but he may have worked three times as hard to get it because he knew.

he couldn't just put any old thing up, right? You know, he had to, he had to write, here comes the sun, he had to write something. And you mentioned earlier, Dana, that Paul, Paul's baseline on something, this is a guy who knows what he's playing on. Like, he knows this is a hot session. So, you know, the part where he goes,

something in the way she goes, and you hear Paul go, do do do do do do. And like, he's like, let me play. And he, but he wants to play to make the song. Was he actually inventing where you call? call a counter melody then at that time? He's playing bass in a way that fits perfectly.

But that's a very skillful thing to do and not get in the way of the main melody, but to reinforce. He had an intuitive sense for that stuff, but he also absorbed a lot of, you know, I know about McCartney lately because I've been reading all these books, but he plays piano.

He grew up listening to it in his home. Yeah, but when he plays piano, as I've seen it, he really doesn't do much with his left hand, right? Isn't he kind of ironically for... Lady Madonna, he moves, Lady Madonna moves the left hand, but there's three styles of McCarty. But it's usually like single bass and then...

And then the melody? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Lenin especially does that on piano. So Lenin will move the right-hand chords more than the left-hand, the bass chords. The bass is the left hand. Yeah, yeah. That's why it's so ironic that Paul would write so many, what would be the left-hand on a piano parts for the for the songs,

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Like, I just love the fact that there's so much, there's always a new take on the Beatles. And there's always a new, new bit of information. You know, here's my question. So George Harrison is, he's singing the harmonies. First of all, blows my mind that they, John and Paul can sing harmonies. And the guy from the neighborhood can play guitar pretty well. And they're doing this boy, which is a staggeringly gorgeous song, emotionally in every other way. and George is singing Perfect Harmony.

Now, George is playing guitar parts for years on their songs and adding, Don't Bother Me, or these songs that are kind of rudimentary compared to where he's going. Is that sort of a master's class? Because he's learning in real time that John and Paul are going to this different place that other major chord bands aren't doing. I mean, his leap forward. And it really started for me with,

while my guitar gently weeps yeah and then of course the two songs that are in the top 10 of the all-time beetle songs for the beetle fans something and here comes the son so you think that he was in a master's class with these two geniuses but he was a genius lane and weight kind of how did george evolve into what he was it always there yeah well there's something that mike might appreciate because you know how um when we were kids mike you know how peter and peter and i thought that we we were the we were the guys who were writing comedy and you would be like wait up wait up guys you would go off and you'd go to the school you'd go to the school yard you'd go to the school yard or the park near our house and we'd find out we'd hear kids laughing and they're laughing at mike

like what's what's that about and and i think if you now this is what we call an analogy because so george is george is not you know george is the hey wait up guy as mike was saying earlier and he goes but he also starts befriending bob dillon right like so he's going out and And he's listening to the new album by the band. And Clapton, yeah. And those guys are accepting him, you know, as a, as a beetle. And he's just absorbing, he's absorbing the Beatles, but he's also absorbing everyone around him and bringing it back in.

And that's when he started bringing in the Indian music that he'd been listening to because it's like, here's what I'm finding out while you guys aren't letting me talk. Yes. And then, yeah. What's the song that the Chemical Brothers sampled? Tomorrow never knows? Tomorrow never knows. Who wrote that, Paul? Or Dana? That was John. That was John. I think it was primarily John. I think that's, that's his melody.

I mean, it was a lot of tape loops. But there's a lot of tape loops and things that they, so I've always thought that was George. I always thought that was George. The Citar element was George, the mystical element. Yeah, the drone. There's like a tamboura or something. Well, if George is trying to play ketchup, what's Ringo doing this all time? Ringo is just Be a zone quiet genius. Ringo is getting paid. He's getting paid by the hour. He doesn't even get a piece of anything.

But watch him and get back though, man. I love that. I love that. He's in love. All right, well, let's talk about Ringo for a second. Like, was he any good or? Oh, my God. Was he a secret sauce?

That's what I think he is. But he's a drummer who listened to the songs. But hold up. Here's the other thing about, so in. In olden days of comedy writing teams, there'd be somebody called a soup spoon, right? Which is, there was a Yiddish term, but it came out to be soup spoon. And they didn't cut in carrots, they didn't put in beef, but they just stirred the pot and made sure that all the people were contributing, you know what I mean?

And I guess Sally in Dick Van Dyke's show was the soup spoon. Okay. Sally Roger. Sally, right? But I think he was the soup spoon. And I think he was the guy that just kept it up, kept it light, and didn't let all the Liverpool attitudes have a fist fight. He's from Liverpool, but I mean, I think Liverpool people know how to not have other Liverpool people fight.

I don't know where, I'll ask any of you this, where he stylistically, you know, if you look at, she loves you, and he goes to the floor, Tom. He's not always traditional. He can go on a 16th high hat and he'll do splashes. But a lot of times you think a normal drummer would do a splash and he'll just stay with the Tom and the snare. Or even in something, he's kind of just hitting the kick drum. And there's times, anyway, adapted to the songs. And you can't imagine anyone else playing those songs.

Best example that always comes to mind is Ticket to Ride. Any other drummer, if they hear, I think I'm going to be sad, they'd be like, But Ringo goes, boom, blah, blah. Yeah, he mixes it up. And come together, you know, come together is like, boz-tig-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-do-d-d-do. Like, he's like, he's not playing straight time, but he swings.

He swings, and he never plays over the words. I don't know if you pay attention to that next time you're listening. Whereas Keith Moon would play. Keith Moon would play, Keith Moon play as if he was the lead singer, right? Well, Keith Moon would play anything that move. Like he was falling off a cliff and trying to survive. But he never understood. Why is the drummer in the back?

He never understood that. Right? Yeah. Yeah, but luckily he was playing against the bass. But luckily he was playing with a bass player who overdrove the bass and a guitar player who just turned up past everybody. And Roger, who was like swinging the mic and screaming and a beautiful scream. But yeah, so that was a band that was built on loud.

Right. Built on loud. But I want to stick with Ringo for a second. I just want to say that the thing I love about Ringo is you see it in Get Back. and when he's the song Get Back, which we all know, that's a beautiful moment where Paul's just playing the rhythm guitar on the bass and he's saying,

I've got something, Jojo was a bo-da-da. And then Ringo's first attempt at it is just playing like, Go-N-Ga-Gun-Gada, and all of a sudden it's and then you recognize the military shuffle that becomes like, oh, now it's Get Back.

And that moment, watching Ringo look out into space across the universe, if you will, and he's listening and he's listening. That's something you don't get from some of these. You know, like, you know, Fred Armisen has that character who does the drum technique, how to dominate the jam. That's his catchphrases.

I will teach you how to dominate the jam. Now, anyone who knows, it's like you don't want to be dominating people. You want to be listening and playing. That's the beautiful thing about Ringo. He was not dominating. He was helping. And he laid back when he needed to lay back. You know, a day in the life is almost hardly any drums in the day in the life, except

do-dun-g-dun-d-d-d-d-d-d- Like, it's like... When you, there's a bag of marbles being dropped on the kit? That's what, was that you? Yeah, yeah. It wasn't me, no, some people describe it as falling down the stairs. Chippa-been, falling down the stairs. Is that I read the news today, oh, boy, and he goes, to do, do, do, that's the coolest. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, a little, a little, yeah, like, it's almost to say, I'm Ringo, I'm still here, you know.

It's so cool, though, though. Lose Tom's are underrated. You know, Ringo didn't always feel a need to go, you know, and he could. Oh, no, you heard the, it was always in the, in the, with the song. Where do they call it? You're a drummer Dana, right? You're a drummer, Dana, right? Pat Boon, Debbie Boon. Oh, yeah. That's a beat. Cat, Boon, Debbie Boon.

Cana, Cana, Tuna, Cana Tuna, Kana Tuna, Kana Tuna, whites, black, whites, white, white, white, Pat, Debbie Boon. And then Stuart Copeland has one for Sting, but I can't say it on most television shows. It must be X-rated. This is a podcast. Yeah, he wrote on his tombs. He wrote, I can say this. I mean, I'm sure there's no censorship here, but it was F-off-U-C on his four tombs.

So when he was mad at Sting, he'd hear like, boom, boom, boom. I don't know. Stewart will verify that at some point. They were at some event in Malibu, which I didn't go to. I think Kevin Eden told me that it was Ringo and Stuart Copeland together. Hang now talking. And I just thought. Two of the best.

Yeah, because if you listen to Synchronicity, too, I guess, or something, it's just a, it's brilliant. I mean, those albums, the police is just bright and shiny and, of course, Sting. Roxanne is still, so this is one of the things that we were talking before. I don't have the musicologist thing that you guys have more of, but I have a, I love a good vibe. you know what I mean and the thing about the Beatles is so no matter what I've done or will ever do in my life

I aspire to the pure excitement that is listening to the Beatles and I think there's other things too that I've heard that give me pure excitement like London calling gives me pure excited

yeah love that boy about town by the jam Jimmy Hendrix You know On what's that But there's one Jimmy Hendrix That oh hey

Hey Joe right Hey Yeah that's what it's called Right Because I often get the titles wrong Yeah Anyways that song Just the shuffle of

Down Dun dun da D do D do D do do Dado do Badoom Bum

Bum Bum Dett Bapud Dibibib It's just like Oh Pure

Excitement Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. I love that. Well, how about on Purple Hays? Purple Hays when there's that vibra slap. So it goes, down, don't, dong, dong. Yeah.

No one ever made the guitar sound like that. I guess he had really heavy hands and he played it upside down. But how he got that sound? And big teeth, yeah. But it's also those chords that, those crazy chords that go up and down. Rhythm guitar player, too. Yeah. But, you know, we came back.

Pure excitement. That's what I'm talking about. There are things that are just pure excitement. And Paul used to have a term called, Paul used to call the pop shivers. You know, where you get like the. Yeah, yeah, you get a tingle. It's a tingle pop shiver. You get a tingle. When a chord changes, when a chord changes from one to another.

Yeah. And you're like, whoa. We had one of the ones that my wife and I had, we were just went to a movie, Secret Policeman's Other Ball. We weren't aware of Sting. We just saw a guy come out. out, really cool looking, the dyed blonde hair, and he's just with his guitar, and he sings and plays where Oxan, and we both went, holy shit.

Yeah. Who the fuck is that? Yeah. So, yeah, Sting was quite a, in the clash. I always think of the clash, or I don't know who else, the Ramones, because you at your formative years was sort of the beginning of punk. And I guess the clash was your favorite band when you were like 15, 16. There's still, I mean, the Beatles are my favorite because they're, whatever, but.

Because they have it's too much. Then it's the clash. You get realistic. Because there's just something that's, there's another thing with the clash is, they're cool. Do you know what I mean? Well, London Calling, whenever that comes on, I'm on an X-M radio, and that comes on, I never switch it. So that vibe of that is heavy. London call.

And then it's a, it's an army, I don't know what the lyrics are about, but it's, it's, it, It's not just a song. It's a movement. Yeah, and it's perfect for that time. But that's the way, Joe Strummer, like, London calling. It's like, it's not casual. Yeah, it's like a cry for that ring of the trenching thing. The eyes age is coming.

The sun's moon. So anyway, we, we unfortunately, we could do this for two days straight, but we kind of have to wrap it up. Any last words? Paul Myers, Mike Myers. Let's take some time. We would love to do this as a regular thing because I think people will love it

and I love it. And I think that we could fill many more hours. More bands to delve into also. And Led Zeppelin. Led Zeppelin. We can talk about Zeppelin. We can also talk about Wings specifically. Yeah.

That's a whole other conversation. Well, back to the A. Just certain solo songs are brilliant. And, of course, you know, we could break down just the song. People say, I'm crazy doing what I'm doing. That's just those lyrics of that song. It's just like, can I, can I say that one stupid, like almost a plug for my book again? John Candy, which, which Beatle did John Candy work with?

George. No? Yes. I just, yes. Was it having his films? There's a video for the Wilbury Twist. There's a song by the Wilburys, Traveling Willbury's called the Wilbury Twist. And John Candy, I think he was filming Brewster's millions at the time.

And they had them come by the studio and just do a little. Okay, people curious. Go on Amazon, under books. Paul Myers, John Candy, Life and Comedy, download it and enjoy it. And we'll do this again. It was so much fun. Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast. app. Give us a review, five-star rating, and maybe even share an episode that you've loved with

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