Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Mr. Wonderful aka Kevin O’Leary: Shark Tank Meets Marty Supreme

Episode Date: January 15, 2026

The guys welcome Mr. Wonderful himself—Kevin O’Leary—fresh off his first major acting role in Josh Safdie’s Marty Supreme. Kevin breaks down why he wanted to do more than just spank Timothée Chalamet’s butt in the film (alternate ending, anyone?), how the now-iconic vampire line came to be, and what surprised him most about stepping onto a movie set. Plus, he reflects on his years of Shark Tank, what it’s really like hanging out with Mark Cuban and Barbara Corcoran, and drops some business wisdom that goes completely over Dana and David’s heads. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

They came to see me and said, look, we're looking for a real asshole in this and you're it. Well, listen, I met Barbara in Vienna in 1601. That was my first dance to her. She was there, too. No, the only reason she gets to L.A. every year from New York where she lives here is I buy her a new broom. I give her the latest small. I said, Timmy, I mean, I admire you. An ass is an ass, and there's one ass.

Make it your ass, celebrate your ass, and put it in this film for generations to come. I can't believe how good I look. I look spectacular. It's ridiculous. Kevin O'Leary. Kevin O'Leary is a little different move for us, but I think, you know, he does financial advice. Shark tank for years. At least 10 years of that.

That shows everywhere worldwide. And interesting guy, and also he was plucked, was it by the Safdi? or Josh has to be in the new Marty Supreme. Yeah, Mari Supreme. So he, it's really interesting. Like the guy's never been an actor, and all of a sudden, he's in this big movie. And it's really funny.

He talks about how he was a spanking Timothy Shallow movie and how awkward and all that stuff that happens. But yeah, he's pretty funny. He's a confident guy knows a lot about business. But him in kind of like an Oscar winner, movie for your first role it's really interesting yeah with the safeties i mean my god it's yeah as cool as it gets and uh a big movie that's out there right now still and uh listen to what he has to say about here he is kevin o'lerleris listen to what the man said

kevin o'leary you know he's really interesting uh oh oh he's on oh yeah all right let her rip That sounds like a product. That sounds like a name of a toy or something called Let It Rip. I like it. Let's go with it. We get some funding. Spade and I throw on a couple hundred. Dude, if I had Kevin's money, I'd throw mine away.

Do people who are very wealthy. If you walk in a room and you're very, very, very wealthy. But then you've got billionaires, multiple, multiple billioners. Do you feel small? You know, I mean, I don't need any more money. I just need more time. That's my real issue. Yeah. Right.

Like this, you know what I think? There's always a guy way richer than you. Yeah. Always. And so I don't really give a shit about that. When I go in a room, I go, what if I walk in this room and someone's better looking than me? I mean, it's chances are low. but there's a chance. No, that never happens to me. Here's my way of thinking about it.

Like, it's just a bigger room to watch TV. I think that was in a movie. No, listen, I look fabulous all the time. I can't believe how good I look. It's ridiculous. Yes, you look great. Is it after shave? Is it moisture, is it just your attitude?

Because you do love it. You look fresh. Fresh and exciting. You know, I see you on a lot of these shows, Kevin. Not only Shark Tank, but I see you when you're on some business shows. And you always have good energy. You always have a lot to say, and you're very articulate, and you can speak well.

And I think that's a big part of your success. You have opinions, and you lay them out. You don't sort of mince around. Yeah, you know, I mean, the way I look at it is just tell, my mother told me when I was 16. Just tell the truth you never have to remember what you said. Now, some people don't like it. They get off. That's true.

stuff but I can't keep everybody happy what am I supposed to do I care about my family and maybe 15 friends and everybody else I don't give a shit I'm with you I don't give it shit no it's good I mean you when you're on like a cable show then you've got to do the sound bites you got to be really succinct now you're on a podcast so it's it is a little more interesting right for you or you can say whatever you want or no no but listen I respect I mean I got to admit you know I got a lot of of followers, I don't know, 11 million followers, and they sometimes I get like an essay, maybe four pages, well written, just blasting me about something I said. Imagine four pages.

Imagine. Somebody spent like an hour writing it really well. I mean, I don't know if it was AI generated or not, but they really worked on it. And I got to say to myself, well, I got to respect the amount of time. Why don't you waste your time on that unless you were very passionate about it. And those are the people that I actually respond to. Most of its hate mail. And then there's about two and a half percent, which I call the lunatic fringe, which is just, they're completely fucking crazy. And what am I supposed to do about that? Nothing. I can't do anything about it. And so that's it. I mean, you know, I kind of, I've been dealing with it for 20 years and i've i've kind of found a a place to live and and float in the sea of happy you're doing

good now when when shark tank came out how long did it take for that to sort of catch on or was it immediate i can't remember no it got canceled three years in a row the story's legendary i mean every year it got canceled everybody hated us but willow bay was married to eiger and i'd met her way back in days and she was raising kids with Iger and they love the show and so every time he'd come home saying oh we whack those guys on shark tank we're not whacking shark tank our kids like it other families like it it's it's the only thing on TV that doesn't have everybody naked screaming about sex yeah and so it became a family hit and in the fourth year it just went geometric I mean poop

who happened you know geometric I'm glad they didn't go into like shark tank island were and then it's they're all dating. That's what it should have gone into because that's what most shows are on TV. No, no, we did that. It was called Beyond the Tank right into the poop shoot. That's what happened to.

Excellent. That's the first time someone has said poop shoot on this podcast. Thank you for that. You'd think it would be a lot. It's not, no one's said it. You think it'd be a comma, but no one's ever said it. So Willow Bay helps out

because it is sort of a family show where you, it's fun to sort of figure it out and it's fun to decide as a family. Is this something that's a good business? You know, you learn about a lot of things. Well, I think the reason it works is that we don't know, you don't know what's going to walk through those doors. It's the essence of the American dream.

I mean, the idea that you can come up with a product or service that solves a problem to become a multimillionaire, which we've done countless times in 17 years. We've sold billions of dollars with a product. You get eight minutes on network TV and 110 million eyeballs on syndication. in 54 countries. I mean, come on, I mean, it's like this podcast.

You just need to find some product that you're beyond just your grandmother and your uncle buy. You gotta find something that really people need. And it's all kinds of crazy stuff. I mean, I think about, you know, pet DNA tests and stuff that you would think would never work. It makes hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, you don't, and that's the thing.

You gotta sort of troubleshoot it in a short amount of time and say, how much will I invest and if you do then you go oh now I got to beat someone else now I got to go higher than I wanted to go that that's that's part of the intrigue I mean at the first million's easy because you do it yourself but getting like when you hit five million you gotta start hiring people have to find out if you're a manager a lot of people shit the bed when that happens they blow up but if you can get to five you can get to 50 if you get to 50 million in

sales you get the 500 million we've had that happen lots and lots of times because basically you're proving that, you know, the product works and people want it. Now you have to scale it. That's a different skill set often. And you have to find other people that can help you do it. But, you know, it takes, generally takes three to five years to prove out a company, but it happens quickly. When it's a hit, it's a hit.

Yeah, that must be the fun. Is the idea kind of sort of figuring out what people need that before they know they need it? I think what happens is to the big ones is they find, they find some pain point that they look around them and everybody has that pain point. Now, I mentioned it earlier, but I'll give you an example. Most cats die at around 12 to 13 years. I'm not a cat guy, but I'm giving you data I know because I invested this company called Basepaws. However, cats in ancient Egypt chocolate point Siamese lasted past 30 years. How'd they do that?

Because the ancient Egyptians knew what to feed them. And so they'd give them food that they would not abscess their teeth. So we give them shit food and they die really quickly. So if you get a cat DNA test and you'll find out which of the three genres of cats it comes from because there's only three big pools, you can actually feed the right food to a young cat and have it last half of your life or maybe 40% of your life. And so this thing called base paws where you stick a Q-tip where the sun doesn't shine in a cat and send it in and get this analysis, $29.

So when she came on the set of Shark Tank, I said, well, excuse me, I can buy a new cat for five bucks. Why would I spend 29 on a test like this? And 110 million cat owner shit on me. But, you know, I eventually figured out I wanted to do that deal. when I did. And we made a lot of money a ton. It was bought by a giant pharmaceutical company later for the data. It's cheaper than moving to Egypt.

Right? Basically, yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny because when my brother ran that Kate Spade Company, he was just a guy from Arizona with Katie. And it kind of blew up pretty fast. And I remember seeing him in the office when he's like, I just had a dock worker in here telling me he's going to break my legs if we don't do that.

He goes, I don't want to do this part of it. That's what you're saying about management. That's what I thought is like he was into designing stores. He was into putting the bags again. But when you start getting it's too big, then they did wind up selling because it just was out of their reach. That's not what they were trained to do. And it's so fucking complicated to run a big operation. Well, that's true.

Executional skills are an extra possible to find. And so, you know, you're right. Big is $50 million. And after that, you need executional skills. And most people that found out of the company don't have them. and they go to zero because of it. They buy too much inventory or they don't manage their systems and whatever it is. I see it happen all the time.

That's why I make a lot of changes at around the $50 million rate. I say, I'm going to help you out. You're going to help you board. I'm going to whack you now, which is a good thing. Well, you need someone that knows what's going on who's done this before, right? Because it's like a movie. You make your own movie and you go, I don't know how to make a movie. You think you do.

And there's so many people that do each job better than you, you need to keep hiring people to make sure they've done this before. It's too many moving parts. Yeah. Now, movie making stuff. I just finished one of those. Yeah, we're excited about that. I mean, the Safdi's.

Is it both Safty brothers that directed it? One. No, no, no. Josh. Josh, okay. Wrote the script with Ronnie Bronson, the same guy that did uncut gems. They are very disturbed individuals.

Yes. Yeah. I know them a little bit. I know. There's sick puppies. Well, Uncut Jems. was a sweaty, fast-paced movie that was really well done, and they know what they're doing for sure. And this one already has a lot of attention and sounds from, it's going to be great.

On the award circuit. I honestly, Kevin, I thought you'd be in a came into a came to one scene or something. Yeah. You're in the entire movie. And you land one of the best lines at the end. They came to see me and said, look, we're looking for a real asshole in this and you're it. Right. Someone who's just incredibly cruel and mean and really cocky. And then they thought of you. I don't know how that happened. I don't know how I didn't get called it. Did you say at the end of the movie, I was born in 1601? Did I hear that right when you're talking about it? I was very unhappy with the ending. And Josh and Ronnie and I fought about it for a couple of months. I said, this guy, this Marty Mouser, if he really did this to me in real life, I would fuck him. over so badly you have no idea and why in my character letting him off this

easily I just I'm so unhappy with this and we started to negotiate I wanted to kill off Rachel I wanted Marty to die I mean that was me and they said no hired actor well I mean listen I at least they listen to me a little yeah I just don't feel right about it is Milton I'm really pissed and so we came up with this idea that maybe and I suggested to them perhaps I'm a vampire and I bite him and he lives in hell in perpetuity. That seems fair. And he said, well, we're not going to put fangs on you

and have blood spurning all over the place. I said, why not? That's your kind of movie, guys. Look at the stuff you make. Yeah, you weirdos. And they said, no, but you could maybe hint at it. And that's the compromise. And listen, I've been to the couple of premieres

and people are howling at the moon at the end saying, wait a second, it's a huge narrative, a big disagreement about whether Marty paid the full price he should have and i think that's what make these guys magic they get people people talk yeah it's like the uh the instagram comments you want people to fight yeah i mean look in the comments more people talking well i mean has this ever happened before in the modern era like this is this is a movie that's on it's a it's a great movie it's on the award circuits everything you'd never done acting in a film i and then you're in this film i mean is larry cudlow

have a deal or Jim Crainer? I mean, who's... I don't have to... The rules are. I don't give a shit. I mean, I just... Look, to me, is you walk into a room, you know the story, you know the script.

You read the room. It's 1952. It's so beautifully, you know, it's amazing. And then you just go at it. And, well, I mean, I don't... Maybe that is acting. I don't know.

Right. They're there to steer you anyway. So you're on camera all the time. And you've got a... a little bit of that beats, you're ahead of the game, and you're already sore out of that personality. So if you can get the lines down and not freeze up like Cindy Brady, you can probably get through it.

You have a career, like a gigantic career. So you walk on a set when we were in our early days trying to audition, getting past the terror and the fear of not doing it right or am I. And for you to walk in as a wealthy businessman and TV star, I mean, I guess that's part of the reason, or just your nature that you were that relaxed acting across from Timothy Shalome,

who's kind of one of our great actors. Huge actor, right now. Yeah, he was great. And I think he was kind of, you know, I figured him out and he figured me out in the first couple of minutes when we started shooting. Our first day was seven pages, a lot of texts. That's a big day.

Yeah, and we just found the groove. He kind of snaps into his character and then I could just beat him up. That was what I thought, you know. Well, the way you did, did deliver the request and the way they shot that of the infamous now maybe paddle scene and make him go get this paddle you did have a kind of a very devious thing about your character that has nothing to do we had an ass double and he did and it was three in the morning and i said look

the the fake paddle we were going to use got broken the first hit or we got broken immediately because it had a hinge and it was made a foam and it was crap then we had to go to a real paddle and the ass double guy was going to take the hit but timmy said no I want to immortalize my own ass in perpetuity and so I said I have to hit your ass that's going to hurt so we've rotated cheeks so that they were equally red through 20 takes and finally Josh said you know you're not hitting him hard enough you're holding back you got to wind up like she's all back yeah they said look I'm happy to do it I mean, I'll do it. I'll happily do it.

Why happily? I'll break as I did. I mean, you know, my character should have done more than that to him. Yeah. Right. We've all had that conversation, I think, with someone. Well, it's paid audition for the ass. Here, hold on.

Oh, yeah, is the sun in your, is that the real background? What is that? No, that's New York City right out the window. I'm at the Whitby right now. I love this place. Oh, Whippy Hotel. The Whippy Hotel. Whippy, what's that?

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Is that a little sad fern? Yeah, what is... I don't know, I thought that was a little monster, but I think it's a fern. Please stand by. Is that Andy's book or Norm's book? Is that on a TV screen, or it doesn't look real? You mean Kevin's?

Yeah. We keep all this on because we're authentic. No, no, it's 100% authentic, and you're getting real time. Listen, tonight is the big premiere in New York. Oh, it is. We got Mitch. We got Timmy. What do you say to Kylie Jenner tonight?

What do you think? And we have the sharks. Are the sharks coming? Your whole team? I got Cuban flying up from Washington where he's changing the health care system. Okay. And I got them all. They're all showing up.

We're going to do Shark Tank meets, you know, Party Supreme. I think that's a great idea. Now, how many sharks are there total? Well, including the guest sharks, 4,000. But, you know, the original sharks were six. Was it six sitting there? That's a lot. Is six too many to cover and all that shit?

How long does it take to do one pitch? Well, listen, guys, that's hard work because we start, as you know, making reality TV. You try and shoot three ups in a day, start a five in the morning. Gross. You got to rotate the talent. Otherwise, you're going to drop dead on it. For sure. And you're in your 40s now, so it's probably getting tougher.

I'm 28 years old and I'm tired. Right. You know. Remember, I'm in vampire years. That's right. We can't give away everything. But, you know, that's why he's drinking pee. He's a vampire.

So, listen, you have, it was first sharks were you. Barbara, maybe? Well, listen, I met Barbara in Vienna in 1601. That was my first dance. She was there too. No, the only reason she gets to LA every year from New York where she lives here is I buy her a new broom. I give her the latest mob. Yeah.

I love it. And there's Cube and he came on later, didn't he? Yeah, I think season four he came on. He's a new guy. Well, he's my grasshopper. He's still learning. Yeah, he's still learning that for every time. Have you and he done business together or is it just on the show?

Do you guys have things you own together? and plan together or just friends? No, we have many deals together. Our teams work together. I mean, there's so many companies we've invested in. Yeah. You know, he likes equity. I like royalties, so he's a little bit country.

I'm a little bit rock and roll, that kind of thing. Okay. And that's what makes it interesting. We've taught America about preft shares, convertible debentures, equity versus debt, royalties, you know, all that stuff. I think it's terrific what we've done. Is it weird in Hollywood? Like I was on David Spade's talk show,

and I got, I think, 0.04. five cents for a rerun? Yeah. I mean, the Hollywood, I don't know. You got to put that away. The royalties are pretty funny. Don't give up your day job. Yeah, he's sock it away.

They add up. I'm equity. I'm not a royalty guy. I'm kidding. Well, I mean, you know, in Hollywood these days, I think you want to buy out the forwards. That's my view. Get the cash now, invest it yourself. Because you don't know what's going to happen to syndication.

Not that we want to get technical here, but the world's changing so much in me. that's no we can get technical i shouldn't die in a long time ago there's no more yeah my my you know bread and butter was sitcoms and then and even movies like you can do all right just reruns and reruns and reruns and it goes to hbo then it goes to somewhere else and it goes you know grownups we joke it's keeping the lights on at tbs over there it's on seven times a day and then it's grownups too so well it's same for us shark tank's on four hours straight on the mbc at night. So, you know, things go through the syndication process, obviously. By the way, I'm a big fan. I haven't told you that yet. I think you're pretty good. I, you know, I don't have a big

enough ego to say that, but I'm happy to do it. Okay. You're talking to me or Dana's, don't say Danes. Both of you guys. Okay, good. Absolutely both of you. I appreciate it. It was nice for you to come on, by the way. We like what you do, and I watch on these shows. And, you know, Shark Tank is one thing. And then when you see on these shows and you're, you're talking, I, I like you that you hold your own against everyone, and you're not very political. You say, I'll take it down the middle. Give me any president.

Just let's make some money. Yeah, you know, this whole thing, the way I've stayed out of trouble on this, particularly in L.A., which obviously is to the left and then New York left, and left and right, I don't care about that stuff. I'm a policy guy. Does this make sense? Because I don't show for politicians.

How can you? They come and go like crazy. I don't care about that. I care as this good policy. And I invest a lot. So I say, this is a good idea. It's a bad idea. This policy works. This doesn't work. You know, whatever. And that seems to have kept me out of trouble. I do as many hours on CNN as I do on Fox. Yeah, I've seen you on both. Yeah, I do it on both. And I say, hey, listen, this is what I think. And if you don't like it, it's really interesting how split and divided the country is now.

Wow, it's crazy. And I don't know why. Because. Because the essence, the number one export of America is not energy or technology. It's the American dream. It's the number one economy on Earth for all its faults and everybody this and everybody that. I mean, I don't see people going under barbed wire in a river to try and get into North Korea. They're not doing that. That's happening here. And so people still want the American dream wherever I go.

And the shark tank thing's on in 54 countries. So I can go to Saudi Arabia and meet the leader because the kids want shark tank pictures. I'm not kidding. Yeah, for sure. It's an amazing passport. I'm an ambassador to the American dream. I'm proud of it. And that's not red or blue.

So I go to Washington to complain about policy. They let me in both sides because everybody wants to create jobs in their state. Who hates jobs? Right. What is our secret sauce you think in America? Is it it we have more freedom than other countries to, we don't have the government on top of us. top of us too much compared to other countries because usually in a lot of countries if you make money you're kind of in the bull's eye a little bit especially living in california you are kind of

public you are the bulls one you are the rich who don't pay their fair share so it's a little disconcerting but i guess we're just better than any other country if you want to pursue your dreams with hard work well i think it's about personal freedom you know entrepreneurship's not the money or greed. It's about a pursuit of personal freedom to do whatever you want with your time. And that's the American dream. And if you get it right, and many people do, you're able to do that and provide for your family. Now, California, I don't think you guys are paying your fair share. You should be paying 99% tax. I thought we did. That's good. And that 1% that's good. And then here in New York, we have the big communist experiment going on, and I'm cool with it.

I mean, I don't live here. I visit and I wish everybody the best. And they're paying their 99.99% tax. And that's their fair share, all of it. You know, remember that song Taxman by George Harrison? Oh, yeah. That was 99.2% tax on the Beatles when they moved to Francis said, screw this. Right.

Oh, is that how bad it was? How bad was it? Yeah, yeah. It was 19 shillings out of 20 shillings in a pound. Oh my God, because they were making the most most you could. And I think that gives you an idea that you don't, the great thing about America is the competition of states. You don't have to stay in New York or California. You can visit like I'm doing.

I love New York. I love the Rockettes. I went downstairs and bought some gloves today. I'm supporting the economy here. But I'm not living here. And I've got my app making sure I'm here six months less a day. And I wish to have everybody. Yeah, for sure.

And I'm telling you everybody. The best real estate agent in Florida is Mondami. He is selling houses down there like you can't believe. Just the planes, they have to get extra flights, just people are leaving. Palm Beach. I'm telling people stop moving to Florida. The traffic sucks. Is that where your base is?

Yeah, everybody lives in Florida now. All my Boston neighbors, all the neighbors here, every hedge fund manager I know, every finance guy, they live in Florida and they visit New York. I don't know who's going to pay the taxes here, but this isn't going to work. Wow. It's a tough spot. Interesting. I'm believing I can't sleep.

I can't sleep about it. So do you have anything, just because we have you here, you're our first kind of person like you on the show. Well, what's your take on a? Like me? Yeah. Well, the nose business. We can ask you just basic things about, okay. Well, I know wine, too.

This is a pool of name, entrechet. Oh. Funny 20, too. Absolutely spectacular. And I deserve it because in about an hour, I've got to head off and do that whole red carpet thing with Timmy and Gwyneth and all the rest of that. I'm taking my whole family with me, bringing my kids up for this.

And, you know, I've never done this kind of gig before, but boy, it's crazy. You're going to be so jealous. It's going to be wild. You guys have done it. I haven't done it. It's going to be loud. And you're going, how will you,

you're going to get a lot of compliments. Yeah. You were so great in this movie. I love it when people suck up to me. I really do. You're going to be sucked up beautifully tonight. And it's going to be loud and it's going to be Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin. Yeah, I'm good with it.

I'm good with it. Then the after party. I'm against drugs, but not rock and roll. Right. Okay. Are you going to, what if they go, picture you and Timmy, give him a little spank. Give him a little spank. Yeah, we've done that already last night.

Are you wearing a class? I think his ass has callous on it now after what I did. His ass is one big callous. I think I saw that in his time. I admire him for saying, look, I'm not letting a stunt ass immortalize my ass in perpetuity in a film. I'll take the hit. So it's my ass. That was 3.45 in the morning.

I said, Timmy, I mean, I admire you. An ass is an ass and there's only one ass. Make it your ass. Celebrate your ass. And put it in this film for generations. to come. Well, this is a very, I looked this up earlier. Salome is French for Aspenk, which I thought was so ironic. Just bizarre. You didn't know that. Now, your tuxedo, are you going classic,

Kerry Grant, George Clooney, or are you going to be colorful? Not tuxedo. He's wearing a suit. You just weren't, no, I'm wearing, you know, I love it. What are you wearing tonight? What are you wearing? I, well, because I know no one else would ask you that question. You know, I was talking, like, I'm talking to all the, I wear Prada and Dolce, but Dolce lately said to me, look, we can make you a tux from 1952 with the thread from 1952. And I think it's going to capture the moment. I said, I'm good for that. So I'll be wearing Dolce.

Nice. I'm wearing Dolce, you know, soxedo slippers. I can't believe how good I look. I look spectacular. It's ridiculous how good I go. And so, you know, I'm almost embarrassed how spectacular I look. Don't outshine everyone. Don't outshine, Kylie.

I got to be careful. I don't really want to do that. I'm just a supporting actor. But I think I'm going to walk out there and the light's going to shine and grown men are going to wait. It's a good way. How were your friends handle this new thing you've got, you're a movie star basically now, along with everything else? I mean, Mark Cuban. I know they're my friends because they don't give a shit.

I really don't. Okay. That's good. No one's jealous at this point. The guys I hang with I've known for like 30, 40 years. I mean, you know, before I had any money and before I, you know, did TV or any of this movie stuff, those are the, because, you know, obviously I have a lot of new special friends, but. Yeah, they're better. That's my, the guys I hanged back on a long, long time.

We have a lot of old friends to. You're from Canada. Mount Royal. Oh, you're Canadian. Yeah, I was born in TMR on a move to Boston. My kids were all born there and grew up there. So we have really interesting Thanksgiving dinners, because my whole family is American except me.

And so you know how Canada and the US are shitting on each other these days? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Personally, what I think should happen, you know, forget about the rhetoric is we should just join forces in terms of the economies. Canada has all the raw resources in the US's largest market and bulk up, go to the American dollar is the common currency because that's what everything's

priced in in Canada anyways, and then tell the Chinese to fuck off. Wow. Does Trump know this? Have you talked to him? I have talked to him about it. Yeah. The Canadians are very proud.

They didn't like the 50s. No, listen, I get it. I get it, but they will one day realize the enemy is China. I don't dislike the Chinese people, But that government's nuts. And they wanted world domination on everything. AI, army, economy, resources. I mean, if people don't understand that about China yet,

they're nuts, because that's coming. And so at some point, this whole crapola between Canada and the United States, because it shares the largest border on Earth, and it's the two richest countries on Earth in terms of resources and economy. You get together and you say, look, China, don't fuck with us.

That's what's gonna happen in the next five years. You heard it here first. Is Canada have rare earth minerals ready to go? Big time. Big time. They got everything. But they don't have the money to dig them up. As a stock certificate.

Look, it was run by an idiot king for 10 years. And now he's gone. True. Now there's a new guy. I didn't vote for him, but I want him to win. And I think he's smart enough to understand to get the economy back rolling again. Canada's a very, very rich country run by idiots. Yeah.

Is it Katie Perry's boyfriend still or is it someone else? No. I mean, the Katie Perry, idiot. King combo. I offered her a free pre-up. I have a shark tank company called Hello Prenup, and I'm providing her with a free pre-up because everything the Idiot King touches goes to zero. Idiot King is. I'm telling it like it is. I'm known as a Merchant of Truth. I love it. All right, pick one of these to talk about. AI bubble, Bitcoin, affordability, the catch word of the day, the tariffs, Fed, interest,

rates or anything else you really want to talk about that shit are you know i i'm just saying if you had any hot take we we are our audience is highly undereducated when it comes to finance just let's touch on crypto because i'd spend a lot of time on that and i get a lot of work on the crypto bills all you need to own in crypto if you're going to get into it is bitcoin and ethereum there are 10 000 shit coins you don't need to own any of those 97 percent of the alpha, which is the price volatility of the entire crypto market, are two, just Bitcoin. Oh, I didn't know that. Just dump all the poop coins, you don't need to.

There's not nothing. We have Bitcoin. People come up with a coin. How does that work? They just say, I'm going to do a poop coin or fart coin. And then you go, okay, oh, it's up a million dollars. It's actually a poo coin itself now. Okay.

So, I mean, it's just like a vagus speculation, but that's not where the institution is putting their money. They're buying Bitcoin. and Ethereum. But it's no different than digital gold. Don't own more than 5% of your portfolio in it. You can make about 3% yield on it, which is not a lot. I mean, don't speculate too much.

I mean, some people just never own Bitcoin because they don't understand. You can't touch it. But it's sort of like a digital version of gold. Gold's been around for 2,000 years. Bitcoin's been around for 16 years, so a lot of people don't trust it yet. And is there a government on a crypto? or is that going to hurt Bitcoin if that happens or has it already happened? The government approved stable coins, which is a digital payment system backed by the U.S. Treasury.

That made sense. And it's being used like crazy. It's only about four months old. But all the banks are starting to make their own stable coins. If you want to use a stable coin, just get Robin Hood or Coinbase, put it on your phone, you know, $1,000 into it and learn how it works. It's very easy to transfer, very low cost, very transparent, very fast. certainly beats a bank transfer or a Fed wire.

So if your kids in college, you want to send them 400 bucks, much better. And believe me, your kid has a stable coin wallet already. Yeah, Coinbase was tough to get on. I mean, I think, is that it? Heather, I was getting on and throwing some, you know, I got a few beans in my jeans, Kevin. I don't know if you've read the papers. But so I put a little money in. No, you were definitely a beanologist.

So I put it in. But getting on Coinbase, I was literally calling them and begging. them to like take my driver's license and all my bank account numbers i go god if they're so much fraud that know your client stuff is brutal it's unreal i was very hard but once you get the account it's useful you know just call me i'll call the CEO for you okay thank you that's really what i was heading for brian he's the guy what's the most impressive oh sorry go ahead david no i was just talking i i mentioned CEO i'm curious about the uh how much influence the CEO has on a What do you think is one of the smartest ones you've ever met?

That's what I thought you'd say. Yeah, this guy is, he's only a third of the way through his career. And look what he's achieved. The guy is 100% signal, no noise. A little awkward socially. My son worked for him for five years. I met up in Mark Renetz house a couple of times. A big party mark used to have, doesn't do it anymore because he lives in England.

But as soon as he realizes he's not gleaning any information of use or value to him From you, he just walked the wall. Yeah, without some. I like that. That's funny. He does seem like all biz, no bullshit. But there's tunnels under Vegas. Smart as poo-poo.

I can't imagine an engineer first in some ways, at least that's how he sees himself, that he goes, if there's a problem, he goes and sits with the other engineers. Starlink is the reason. Well, I mean, that's the thing. All the engineers on Earth want to work with him, including my son, was an electrical engineer, his whole cohort that he, you know, he beat them. with electric car F1 race. Elon hired all of them, move them to Fremont. He worked on the low voltage team for five years. And then he said, look, I want to go get a design engineering degree and an MBA.

And I said, listen, good luck with that, because there's only 20 seats at MIT and 22 at Harvard. And you're not getting into either of those. But he got one of the directors at Tesla to write him a letter. And he got into both of them. And he went to Harvard because there's more girls there. I applaud him. And he's coming to the open. You know, I'll be there. I bought him a tux in Boston right on.

Oh, from 1916. He's coming to the show tonight. He'll be there at the house. Yeah, I got the whole family coming. I'm bringing the whole crew. And my daughter's new boyfriend, I love him. He's got a job, but that's fantastic. You're kidding. I'm very excited about that. All right. I have another boring question, just because this got too interesting. I just read Ford's F-150. They're, they lost 19. billion on the electric truck is it because guys don't want electric truck if

they're a Ford truck guy 19.2 billion one of the largest right-offs in automotive history bad policy this idea that everybody in America wants to go green but if you're in Fargo North Dakota there's no green when it's 40 below zero you need a truck with diesel or gas in it so I guess they didn't think that went through too much and China's dumping low-cost EV. The only thing we got going in America is Tesla. It's the best EV in the world because it's designed from scratch, but it's not a low-cost vehicle. They're going to try and do that with the Y version. There's a competition. China is subsidizing EV, selling it to every

country on earth at half of what it really costs. I'm telling you, we're an economic war with those guys. They're not good guys. And that's why I think we should bulk up in our economy and say to the Chinese don't mess with us. I might join in that. That's there, is it called BYD? Is there a little electric vehicle that's selling all over Europe? I think they're called shitball expresses, but it doesn't matter. That was my second question.

They're very, very inexpensive. Yeah. And every country on earth is buying them because where else can you get a $15,000 shitball express? Yeah, I see little trucks they say they went over here. that looks like they're way cheaper than everything. In the end of the day, because you're looking at America and it's controlled chaos in a sense

because it's a free market and it's ad hoc and then we see a command and controlled dictatorial economy in China. And sometimes you go, wow, they can just build that and do that. But it seems in the end of the day, all the cool stuff comes from America. No, they just steal it all. And then they steal.

Everything in China, if you go back to the tech and go back 20 years, you're going to find American and German, French source goat in it. They steal everything. They have no IP laws. You can't sue them. The World Trade Organization, they joined it, you know, 2020, and they've never abided by the rules. I've tried to sue them. Nobody can. They rip off everything. I mean, I'm telling the truth. And that's why I'm glad, you know, whether you love Trump or you hate them, at least this administration has taken them on, saying, okay, we've had enough of this crap, and we're going to give you some consequences. and he started with 100% tariffs.

I mean, it's a difficult conversation, but they steal, they cheat, they don't give a damn. And I think it's got to end. It's not a level playing field. I would love to sell Chinese people stuff. I don't want my IP ripped off. And that's what happened. And so it's a very, we can delist our companies off our exchanges.

We can not allow them to sue our, I mean, they sue us in America, and we can't sue them in China. What hell is that? If I say don't let them have access to the courts. Can they buy land here? We can't buy land there. Not the Chinese people, just the Chinese government. They understand the stick.

You got him with the stick. They understand power. That's why we've got to bulk up the economy. That Canada resource combo with the U.S. economy. I know all the crap going on with the Canadian versus U.S. crap, but I'm a guy with a foot in both countries with a family in both sides, and I understand the opportunity. I'm not a negative guy.

I'm saying by the time this is over, everybody in Canada is going to say, we've got to bulk up because the Chinese are going to come right over the top. And I definitely don't ever want to work for the Chinese guys. Yes, I have a lot of affinity for Canada. My wife is half Canadian. And I'm from Montana, Alberta and all that.

I mean, so it would be nice if we could become incredibly cooperative this way. We will out of economic necessity. All this bullshit will be over soon. I'm an optimist about that. And, you know, I go back and forth all the time, too. I don't like the winter anymore, so I live in Miami where the taxes are. Everybody lives in Miami six months and a day. Everybody, you know, lives there.

So there's citizens? Is that what it is? And there's, it's, you know, Miami Beach is its own country. Yeah, Miami Beach. It's great, yeah. And Tennessee, we have friends in Tennessee and also Texas. I like Tennessee, but it's, doesn't have zero sales attacks.

Right. Talking to Haggerty about that, let's get that done. I have to pay some sales tax on my new Gibson Mr. Wonderful. I made a guitar with those guys. Oh, you did? It's actually a 355. George Harrison Red with a 335 neck. If you're into guitars, that's a pretty cool guitar.

Wow. Do you play or you're just a collect? I like to think so. Thank you. Oh, okay. Acoustic or electric or both? Both. I got a lot of guitars. I used to own a piece. a fender. So I got a lot of

tender guitars too. I like them all, but a Gibson SG classic and of course a 355 hollow body that's got a sound. A lot of the Beatles tracks had that on it. It's very interesting. 58 Les Paul was a good

one. I like music too, but I'm learning how to play better because I just don't get enough time to practice. But in this hotel I keep a guitar and an amp. And what you want to do is slowed out. You listen to the old blues guys from the 40s and 30s.

They weren't running up and down. They were keeping it slow. Deal. Do a great note. Don't, my brother and I used to call him typewriter guitar players. And then you'd see someone like Albert King or something and go, okay, this note is like the last note he's ever gonna play. And it's just not gonna play that many notes,

but they're just magic. So I totally agree. play less notes with more feel that's it yeah do you like being called mr wonderful still did you like that or is that well look it's you know it's just the truth what are i supposed to say yeah well we anything else for this young man dana he's been nice to sit there i just love that we we got to get together with canada this is my takeaway i love that you play electric guitar in your room and uh you're kind of have fun with the i of your confidence.

And I want to adopt a little bit. Listen, go, if you're gonna go see Marty Supreme, let's do a plug for the movie, don't go alone. It's an emotional wrencher and go with the community. Go see it in a theater because it was shot on 35 mil film. It's not by the Darius guy.

I hated him when we were shooting it because he would take two hours to set up a single shot. Oh, yeah. Now that I see it. Yeah. By the way, do you really think he was punished enough for what he did? Well, he plays not an incredibly aggressive person who's very unscrupulous.

So I don't know. The very, very, I don't want to give it away. They did this. I don't want to go either. I won't. I mean, he did not. You can't fucking over that way and get away with it. That's what I kept telling me.

That's my brand. Well, you have a point, but it's an interesting end. It's a very intense ride. And you're all, all the performances are great. All the character actors in there. Don't see the movie. It'll entertain the hell out of you. Yes.

I got fucked over. Yes. Josh Safty makes a good movie and I've, I think people like it. Kevin O'Leary gets fucked over and Academy Award winning. Ending sucks, says O'Leary. Okay. Hi, Kevin.

It sucks because my wife said it was perfect. My daughter loved it. My kids loved it. And I said, no, it's not enough punishment. for him. And anyway, that's a point. But it's a great movie. Congratulations.

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