Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Natasha Lyonne on Twitter Haters, Fred Armisen, and Euphoria

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

From out of the Mediterranean Sea, Natasha Lyonne joins the guys from Spain this week to talk about Fred Armisen’s drum solos, working with Coleman Domingo on season 3 of Euphoria, and her new movie Klara and the Sun. Also, being a child actress on Pee-wee's Playhouse, who should be the next James Bond, and producing Russian Doll alongside Amy Poehler.

Boris and Natasha. They were the Russian cartoon character. That's my mom and dad, as you know. I'm a Nepo baby. It's Boris and Natasha. No, I don't go to Siberia a lot. We might shoot part of grownups there. We're talking about.

In Siberia? I don't know. These are my suggestions. Everybody was very concerned that I gave a full nudity waiver to be crack core number one. But I just thought, love the game. Aren't you too big to be crackcore number one? Am I? Natasha Leon.

Natasha Leon. Very charming, very interesting, and scratchy voice. Scratchy voice. Good combo. Yes. She was a lot of fun. I don't know her well. I've seen her out and about.

We talked briefly once. She knew about the podcast. I said, you've got to come on. And she's sort of off the beaten path. Great actress doing stuff that's very interesting. Russian doll, poker face. people know her from different things back to American Pie. She's been in a lot of things.

She's done a lot of things, done a lot of good work. A lot of things with a lot of people. Fantastic. And she's got a new one called Clara and the son, I think. Yes. With the director's name is Watiki Kakiki. I forgot the name.

It's very hard to say. You know who he is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And his brother's name's Honolulu. It's Tiki Wakaki. It's so impossible to say right. Great director.

I know who you're trying. Yeah. Don't even say it. I already know. But great director. Cool, interesting movie. She is in Spain. We're talking to her.

She's funny from the get-go. She just got out of the water at 10 at night, been in the Mediterranean all day. She's completely just goofing around with us the whole time. It's really, really interesting. Very funny person to doctor. So press play if you want to have a laugh. Just keep it going. We'll shut up.

Here's Natasha Leone. Listen, you maniacs. Geez, how was wardrobe? Wow. Yeah, I was in the wardrobe department. And then I really got into it with Victoria. You're in Spain. You are a cracker jack.

What? Case. clothes. You are, you've done it. You're a fun pack. Listen. A fun pack.

You know, they have little cereals and there's like 12. Halloween. You get shredded wheat. You get all the different flavors. I was just coming off

your Cracker Jack. I thought there was no chance you combed your hair in the last 20 minutes. What happened? You know what? I don't need this kind of hell of beef.

No, it's good. I'll take that hair. Andres coming out of the ocean or something. You're like from the Bond movie. Ursula Andres, I followed, David, but thank you for the lift. I was trying to be because you're so young. She's a filmmaker.

Yeah, I know. Remember all that excitement about Hallie Berry's boobs in the Bond movie in the 90s? Lots of it. I mean, that was a big, big deal. What about when she was in that movie Swordfish and they gave her an extra half a million? Oh, my God. they really love doing that, right? Like, this, maybe.

I mean, it seems illegal, but I like that we got to see that. We got to hear behind the scenes of how it went down. She's like, sure. Oh. You can see my anything for a quarter million. Actually, a quarter. Really? I mean, if I ever run into you and you have any pocket change, we'll talk.

If they ever had to. If I run into you and you have any pocket change, we can talk. Oh. Is that the picture of you in the background? Yeah, I bring it with me to all my hotel rooms in Spain. I always travel with his gorgeous. You go get one of me in the water. And here's the famous jean shorts from Dana's dissertation.

I was slightly traumatized. I love it. Oh, that is cool. Look at how dinky she got going way back by that. It's like an optical movie. Look this. We knew how anyone dance. This is unbelievable.

You know, sitting in our chairs like nobody. I know. And here I am just toting around this gorgeous shot. It was like great-grandmother. It's hard to send a head to every hotel. You have to send that to every hotel. You go to. Yes. You know, I heard about John Mayer, Natasha. I know you've been wanting any John Mayor trivia. I've got a quarter. I'll listen. John Mayor says to make his life. I think, and I'm paraproval. he sent when he does like a 40 city tour he sends a guy out to do the tour a day ahead in every hotel room in the same bed

hold on a second that's actually genius i always have this thought of like especially like um directing it really is a thought of like if you could just get through the entire day to totally figure out exactly you never know where it's going to come from that like that light broke or zipper. Tell me when you're born. No, on is off. Off is on for the air condition. Yeah, you just don't know where it's going to come

but something's going to come up. Right. Or you get to somewhere and you're like, oh, by the way, we can't shoot this way at all. And you're like, we already scouted this place. What did we not see? Oh, come on, you guys. Directing a movie is not that hard.

Ah, here it comes. and wells. Here it goes. It finally arrived at 10 minutes flat. Hunt is coming down on you. Come on. You go in, you go around, you cut it together. I mean, look, you've done it.

You know what it is. But it is different when you're like an actor and you're just waiting for that sweet, sweet overtime, that second meal penalty. And then you're a director and you're like, no. Do they take it out of your check? Yeah, they do. Your director's check.

That's with the DGA. is for, you know that. I don't, I haven't directing it. I couldn't direct a colony of ants to a melting Hershey bar. I find that hard to believe. Okay. That's what our manager says. Let's go to the tape.

I'll tell you, my favorite thing about SNL is that because they have the, you know, I called a reverse camera, but because you can see the monitor there, you can actually like reposition yourself and set up a shop properly in a way that is super efficient, actually. When you host SNL, do you demand to direct also? Yeah. And, you know, I also demand that I write everybody else's material and make sure that it's only about the host. That was the best tip that Fred gave me was like that real understanding that S&L is literally not about the host.

It's actually just straight up not about the host. And I think walking in to do it, knowing that especially because it was a finale and it was like, 80's last show and all that kind of stuff really, really helped actually. We're saying 80 Bryant. We're saying Fred Armisen to catch the few of us. Catch them. Catch them.

And you went in and you hosted the last episode of the season? Yeah, I don't know what season it was now. Maybe a- 280? Probably 21. It was probably 21. Oh, man. What else did Fred tell you?

You understood that it's knives out because they're all competing with each other. and there's a lot of subterfusion. Hey, guess what? We have another funny young person coming in to compete with your stage time. So, yeah, you have to watch yourself. I didn't really. I think maybe Fred is like such an anomaly

because he's a late arrival to showbiz, right? Like he doesn't get sort of like hit with a showbiz sticker until he's like 35 and Chicago and sort of having been a roadie. So I think he's like well equipped to enjoy. the ride instead of thinking it's fully about him. And he has a really such a positive experience with S&L that it really shaped probably my sense of what it was.

And just to say that, of course, I've heard endless stories, as everybody has, the new documentary, that Morgan Neville documentary is great, Lauren. Just like to imagine that, like, that Sandler experienced something that was the sense of I'm fired. is really odd. I feel like that's a standout moment in the documentary. Wait, say it, what happened?

Sandler got fired apparently, but I think there was information around that firing because Sandler was already, didn't he already did Billy Madison or no? Huge start. Now, also, Natasha, there, the only color I can add to that is between Lorne and the cast,

there's usually a few layers of managers, agents, business affairs, producers. So it's a game of telephone. phone like you hear Lauren's mad at you and if you go and he's like, I'm not mad at you. Like, so either you don't know what you're getting or your manager's doing something different, but it's very rarely just some straight talk like I'm quitting or you're done. It's when Adam and Farley left, I stayed on another year because we were all kind of together in a chunk.

And I, me, didn't know they both got fired until a couple years ago. And I'm like, wait, the Sandler was doing big movies. he done wedding singer, he'd done Waterboy. He had no reason to stay. And Farley was a huge fucking star. And I'm like, of course they left to go to. Why would you let those two guys go? It is a psychedelic sort of thing that goes on.

But then also I thought it was really striking in the documentary is the idea that Lauren is like sitting there waiting for the phone to ring. I guess maybe it's an animated section, but it really hits like just to picture somebody on pause in life and his Lorne. Yeah. Ring, ring, yellow. And then my big regret was never going to the Maine. Like Fred would invite me and I would just be like,

I'm writing or something. And now I look back. Yeah, and now I look back and I'm like, oh, wow, I could have really seen where the jam was from. Oh, the second. Not the Long Island house. The main house. Yeah.

In Maine? Because he has property there, right? Yeah. Yeah, the main house. The main house. Which they say is the best place for an apocalypse as an FYI. Well, we did build a dom. We check it for radiation fallout and it's like on the lower tier.

Natasha Leon is here. I'll be right back. You can get your diger counter when you came in? You have to check the radio. Is that for radiation? Yeah, I don't know. Did Fred Armisen? Did he ever do a?

A drum solo in front of you, Fred Armerson? Oh, I mean, no shortage. I've heard songs by the damned multiple times. I'm not sure if you're aware, but Fred is a fan of the Ramones and the clash. Mm-hmm. I didn't know. Makes total sense. Did you know that he loves the Beatles?

I just, I didn't want to blow your mind. I didn't know that, but we do. He said something that I liked, which set the tone for me as far as this, I'm reading in this off of relaunch of this notion of Ringo Starr, just a few years ago, Ringo Starr is not a very good drummer. And Fred just said, well, who even thinks that he's not a good drummer? Has anyone ever said he wasn't, is this folklore got out? And now that's like where you say, these songs are pretty good by the Beatles, but the drumming

fucking saw. I never said that. Who are you a fan? Fred doesn't like, are we live? No, we're not live. We can edit it all live. Something says live and then it's a ticking clock. That's just the time of us.

You're not live to. Oh, it was just saying, live. Whatever you do, live. You have 16 minutes. Time is mounting. But for some reason the time keeps moving up, which is very, confusing because I'm terrified. You know, my mortality will strike, but the time keeps escalating somehow.

Yes. Well, you've started in a show that had a whole time loop. So maybe that's just the way your brain works. I don't know. It definitely is. So Amazon music has a lot of cool stuff on it. Obviously, it's Amazon. So, yeah, it's big.

It's big. Music, podcast. And audiobooks. And there's one that I have really spent a lot of time with. It's an incredible book. It's called Sapiens. Sapiens. Like Homo sapiens?

Homo sapiens. It's literally, the book is just about the history of mankind. And it's done in such a cool way that you're just learning things. You never thought you, you know, like for example, the largest tribe we've ever had a chimpanzees was maybe 50. They just didn't, they couldn't coalesce bigger. But because humans started to gossip, like gossip, a positive or negative gossip is incredibly important.

Like I hear he's a good blacksmith or you can trust him. And that allowed us to build nation states and how it became so powerful and took over the world. And it goes all the way through the invention of the wheel. I mean, fire was big, David. I don't know if you know. Fire gets a lot of attention. But so does the wheel. Fend off a Cheetah.

Yeah, the wheel, it took them a while to get around that to the idea of we make something but the whole thing and also on the audio the British announcer is incredible you know hello you know but the wheels provided you know structure within family to be able to move goods and services and what happened was

is that and you this is the kind of book you can listen to here and fits and starts go back to it I've been through it probably three times but basically in the olden days we ate turtles and we ate just raw fish and all this stuff. And then we invented farming. And then we started just eating grains and stuff.

So that's where people got really fat and got colicky diseases. Oh, they did invent it. I'll give you some proof at the mall. And just the idea of money, because it would be David Spade, I give you a cow, you give me a sheep, you know. A barter. And then they decided during the Roman Empire, this is called a shackle. And this represents.

I'll give you a cow if you give me five shekels with a little teeny. Oh, is that where that's hard? Yeah. Yeah. So it goes through all the way through to now, basically, the history of how we evolved in our weird way and how we're crazy nuts. So I would recommend that highly sapiens on Amazon music. Well, good job. I just learned something from hearing about your audiobook.

Thanks. Yeah. It is a really fun listen. And also, if you're at night, you can just listen to that. You can put your phone on your chest or, you know. Yeah, I just zone out. And just hear that guy talking about the history of the world. You're getting sleepy, Dana.

He works it in and you're like, huh? Yes. Now you've, I have a monitor inside me. I know you've nodded off in the last two minutes. So we're going to repeat again. Amazon Music is your app for music, podcast, and audiobooks. Your Amazon Music, unlimited subscription now includes access to these audio books. So download the app today.

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I am. I would think you are. Yes, based on my first name, I'm guessing. It was a real dead giveaway. Yeah. Yeah, Boris and Natasha. They were the Russian cartoon characters. That's my mom and dad, as you know.

I'm a Nepo baby. It's Boris and Natasha. Your dad's name is Boris. Your mom's name is, really? Yeah, and they're both cartoons. And that's how I got to be such a looney too. And it's just, I was born underneath a stack of dynamite and said, Acme on it.

Roadrunner was there. Roadrunner was a friend of the family. Yes, very close, very close. Roadrunner was a great actor. When he'd go off the cliff and there'd be that big 1-1-1-000 and then he'd fall down. It was a beautiful take. So I'm just kind of curious, what do you can, as a kid, what did you consume? Because you have a lot of references to cartoons and stuff like that.

Were you a fanatic? Was that your place to survive your childhood? There was a lot of De Niro, a lot of Pacino. I was, and a lot of Sylvester Stallone. Rocky. Guys, control yourselves. Go ahead. I'll pause.

Hey, Adrian. David. I always said he had the supportive life. He goes, I got a fight. She goes, you can't win. I was like, Jesus. You can't win Rocky. I like when they call each other their names throughout the whole movie.

Hey, I know my name and I know your name. Hey, Adrian. Oh, Rocky. I mean, it's the same thing in that DeCaprio movie with Titanic. Rose, Jack, Jack, Rose for 45 minutes. They know their fucking names. Anyway, you remember that when the ship's going down? I think they had sex.

I think they had sex. Jack, Jack. What is your favorite movie? You're a film, film of file. Or a movie that you love. How you feel wrong. A movie that you love. All that Jazz.

Bob Fossi. And all that jazz. Roy Schneider. Yeah. Yeah. Hot piece. Excuse me. What was that?

Hot piece? What's hot piece? Yeah. I gave him a quarter and you're never going to believe what Roy did. I'm so grateful in this moment that he's passed. And so I can finally tell all about my days with, I was the, I was the shark. I was the dolly zoo in Jaws. Not a lot of people know that.

Roy Shider was a hot piece of ass. that you're saying? Yeah, I mean, he was. He was. When I look at Jaws and they do those pushing shots, I'm like, I miss that time. They're all tan. They live on a cool beat. They have a cool house. They have a cool bronco or something. I'm like, God damn. And he was a push-up

machine, Roy. He was a lot of movies. He'd take a shirt off. She's like a push-up. Yeah. Well, because I think he was lean and me. Oh, that's something that Fred talks about are like these rock and roll bodies like Iggy Pop, you know, and they're like small. But I guess he's got actually that scoliosis, which really

tips it to a whole other specific. Yeah. He's got a newsflash. His spine is all like. He looks like Tom Petty with a hangover. So that's why he kind of moves like that? Yeah. He's like, give me danger, a little stranger.

You know? Oh, he's just from scoliosis. Yeah. And he also has a talking, I think he's a parrot. I was following him. I wonder why I unfollowed him that occurs to me. I'm not seeing that parrot is often. You unfollow him because he went light on the parrot?

Just sometimes when there's like a trend and everybody starts posting, you know, the same whatever, a flag or photo or whatever, sometimes I get overwhelmed and I just unfollow everybody and start fresh because I'm like, this has gone too far. It gets a little nutty, yeah, for sure. Yeah, like I'm like, I don't want to see 45 of the same. It's like limits.

Here's what I do, and this is a real hot take, but not only am I so quick with the blocking, it doesn't have to be a rude comment anymore. If I just follows someone, or if I see a comment someone makes on something I don't like, I block them. And I'm like, they don't know me. I just don't want to ever come across this fucking moron in my Instagram travels. Yeah. I tend to, when the first time that Trump was elected, really.

In theory, I was getting a lot of, I guess in passing in a press line. Yeah. Why not? You're the one that called me Russian. And so I must have said something like, if he's elected, I'll leave the country. And I think it was literally, I can remember. It was like totally in passing on the way. And I got lumped in with like a bunch of people.

How was a trip? Where'd you move to? And so when I went back to Twitter, this is back in the old times. You remember this. Oh, yeah. And I would, I started instead following the people that were being like, when are you going to move, bitch? And I was like, I don't know. What do you think?

And it really kind of shuts the place down. Where should I go? Yeah. Can you help me pack? I just said a Trump. I have to bring this family photo. Is my photo up yet? I want to check in.

A lot of people do, a lot of people say they're going to leave the country. I said if Trump leaves the country, I'm going to get elected and I got so much hate. Like how? You're not even running for president. I said if Putin wins, I'm,

I don't know what I'm doing. Oh, if he leaves country, I'm going to get elected. He comes here and is our president. By the way, Natasha, what do we not know about this Russia war with Ukraine that no one told?

Thank you so much for asking. I do appreciate it. You have, because you probably know more than you. You must know a lot. Yes. Well, and also because of,

all my quantum leaping and traveling through space and time and black universe. Well, there's multiple timelines, as you're well aware. Cool. Depending on which one you end up in, that's what gives you the information from the word salad that you were saying in order to redirect because you do not know information because I no longer read or write due to current events. And such, what is your hot take? I feel like you're auditioning for a film part or something.

That was pretty good. Just tell us about Ukraine. I mean, what I would say is, like, the underdog is usually like the person that you're trying to look out for in life. Like, you're always going to judge a society by how you treat the run to the pack. So anytime you got like a big dog attacking a little dog, it's like think about the actual human beings that are, you know, but like stuck in that situation. But then I've been in, you know, when you actually meet people, like, I've like met Ukrainians and Russians. I have totally different takes on it. And I'm like, wow, I really have no idea what's going on in this part of the world or even how they're ingesting.

information or what their life experience was. Or if they follow me. Most importantly, or if they would block them recently because of a comment they left behind. I did meet a, I did meet a chick just two nights ago who was from Siberia, which I thought was exciting. Definitely. It's exciting.

Yeah. Do you guys know a lot of women from Siberia? I don't know if it's on the map. I don't know what's going on. I'm so sorry. Does John Mayer know any women from Siberia? He said they have a good holiday. John knows everything.

Yeah, his bed did well there. The show, not so great, but the bed was. They have Holiday Inn Express in Gaddink. No, I don't go to Siberia a lot. We might shoot part of grown-ups there. We're talking about it. In Siberia. I don't know.

These are my suggestions. I said, what are the tax breaks like there? Are you doing a beautiful? What are you doing in Spain or should we ask? Is it a personal? Well, today, swimming in the sea. Not a lot of people know this because I'm such a city rat. But it turns out my first great love is the Mediterranean.

And I was in there for just hours today. Very happy. Is this you swimming with your cigarette up? oh yeah i'm always just like this you know backstroke and then a dolphin jumps immediately i get a a little tramp stamp as soon as a dolphin appears um how do you come out of the water are you like ursula andres that's my second reference sort of shorter more comp i will say that before coming here i was definitely i was like too skinny and as soon as i landed i just managed to sort of like pick up a little bit of like I just got a pot belly out of nowhere and I was like well that's fun

for me because it's a lot of bikini work but it turns out I'm very very pale like I didn't realize how pale I was because I was in Manhattan and yeah it just turns out I just I would say I was not beach bod ready but I do exit like ursula andres and then no James Bond appears no but nobody here's. I'm a short little sack. So isn't that really the impact you're looking for? And that's why we invented the film camera for the close-up, where short people shy.

Let's get in this lagoon or some bamboo shoots. No one remembers the movie. I'm guessing that that was a dinner-one once upon the time in America. Ask me this question. And I'll be Sean Conry. Ask me, hey, Sean, did you enjoy your vacation in Spain? Hey, Sean, did you enjoy your vacation in Spain? Yeah.

Pretty good. That's it. Who should be the next James Bond, Natasha? Natasha. Who is Marco Polo? That's based on a real person, right? I thought it was based on a game in the pool. In the pool?

Marco Polo. No, who's the four running? I just feel like he hasn't gotten a lot of work recently, and as his monitor, I'm thinking Marco Polo should definitely be. Marco Polo, is that a person from history? Be the next James Bond. Yeah, I mean, you just, you asked it. That or Jacob Lordy.

Marco Polo. I like that. That guy was a Brady Frankenstein. Oh, yeah, he can't be. How come he's getting all the chickens in the roost? That's not fair. He gets a lot of chickens. What about all the other fucking chickadeeys?

They don't get to be James Bond or Frankenstein. Aren't there any unknown great-looking guys? I think there are. Were you in Euphoria? I think so. I heard rumors. There were rumors. She was in a field hockey players.

I met Sam Levinson at Coleman Domingo's dinner party. And then stayed on a text thread with them for like a year. And then my part came in finally the day before. and I can finally tell you now that it's out and it was for crack horn number one so I was you could only imagine my thrill I'd asked for I'd ask for you know full

well I'm never nude in the business they call it and everybody was very concerned that I gave a full nudity waiver to be crack horn number one but I just sort of thought Aren't you too big to be crack court number one? I mean, seems like you had a pretty big career.

That's kind of offensive. I mean, on the call sheet. Because really what I wanted was just to make out with Coleman and, you know, that's hard to do in the here and now. And here was constructed a perfect container where I could let my love shine as it should. Anyway, there was a nary a boob. I don't even think of butt cheek. but we did yeah we did play

you know the fiddle fists scissors scissors did it go to were you ever uncomfortable during this sex scene oh only like you know internally

or negative self-talking mind that's out to get me but nothing in the scene work and Sam was actually really great and Coleman is obviously a legend but it was like a real I thought when I saw Crackhorn

number one, it would be like a two-take, send you're out. Turns out it was an entire day of work and it was beautiful. It was like very thoughtful. Where was it because I saw a lot of season three, but where were you guys making out in the hot tub or anything or where? I think it was in a hotel room on a soundstage. All right, let's look at a clip. We don't have a clip. Okay.

Would you be offended? Miao, no, no, meow, meow, meow, meow. Miam, meow. That's a great song. Whoever wrote that song deserves a race. Incredible. Someone's getting it checked, David's paid. Go ahead, Dana.

Oh, I was just, if you would, would you ever be offended if you heard that I pitched a show, a streaming show called Crackcore number one? Well, I don't know why you're trying to get Coleman Domingo to play it when I'm right here. And he's very busy. He is a stud. Oh, I'm so sorry. You wrote it for yourself, of course. But to be an understudy, Dana, would be a delay. I got called in for hand job helper number three.

You did? I thought it was hamburger helper. I was like, number two. I said yes to that. And I was like, I don't even know what that is, by the way. David just shot a pilot. Whatever I got to do. I don't care.

David just shot a pilot. Oh, you did? I'm so sorry. How did it go, David? What was the name? of the pilot again, David? Handjob Nation? I don't know.

I was trying to set up. I know. I didn't have one. I didn't have anything. Thank you, though. Hand job nation's okay. Oh, she's by. She's on a smoke break.

Yeah. I'll ask you questions. You can answer them from over there. Were you? Career's too large. We can't get to a lot. I know. Danler.

Look at this. Look at this career. I was a voice on the phone. Wow, look at that. A whole ass sheet. I want a photo of that, but I threw my phone in the seat. Yeah. It was meant to be a whole ass part.

And then we were into it. Josh Safty, Ted Sarandos. Trying to figure out the orange is the new black shooting schedule for the next episode. We did it for like three weeks. And then somebody else took my role. And I ended up being a voice on the phone in post-production. Oh, it was just a scheduling. That's too bad.

I know. It's really, uh, it seemed like every time you act, you get nominated for something. Yeah. Warnes New Black was still huge. Weren't you nominated for, how many times you've been nominated for stuff?

Emmys and things? 10. A few. Not as many as like, you know, some of the, we know people that have fucking, just so many. And then I remember the before times when there was nothing to do with nominations because I'm like a child actor and a child character actor, not a child star. Pee Wee's Playhouse really is my truest claim to fame.

But then, yeah, once you're, once you've been nominated, then it sort of becomes this like weird, um, um, um, um, marker by which you're supposed to decide if you've, you know, you've been worthy or not. And that's not how it's supposed to go at all. And then you're also like, wait,

are they ever going to give me one or they're just going to bring me here? And it's a lot of outfits. It's like being a lot of begging. Like, you should do this round table where you say, maybe I should get it instead of you guys. Do you have a face like when they announced the winner? Do you have a face that you're ready?

Yeah. Okay. And ladies and gentlemen, Not in a chat. You guys, I just happen to be here. Okay, what's your face when you don't get it? And now the winner is. Okay, that's good.

I got nominated once for an Emmy, and here's my exact. Okay. And the winner is not David Spade. No, no. So here's what it was. This is me. Okay. A couple carrot sticks.

brought with me in case showing long commercial break and then they go the winner is David Hyde Pierce no I literally go I made a bit of a move well that's understandable it was for comedy on TV or something and he was on Frazier this is going way back do you think you'll do Curly Sue the later years. Oh, gosh. I mean, with the ghost of Gandalfini, that would be a...

Okay. How we're going to my first? Was he cool, dude? By the way, if I don't get nominated for Curly Sue the later years, I'm going to sue show business. I'm going to class action. Yeah.

Yeah. Paul Rubbins is like, I mean, the best. You guys must know him now. I didn't know him, Dana, did you? I never met him. I thought he was brilliant. I mean, Peeway Herman was just like.

Love the whole thing. Did you work with Phil Hartman on that? Did you? Or was he not on those? Oh, I know I did because I found a Polaroid and it's in my kitchen. Okay. So I don't have like vivid film memories because I was six. A fetus with shoes.

I was six years old. Yeah. But that photo is like the cutest thing I've ever seen. It's, I mean, what a fucking guy. He was like, it's not sailboat Sammy, but it's something like that. Like that, yeah. I thought his officer. He was a sailor.

Sailor. Oh, yeah. Stripes in a little askout around the neck. And he wrote it. He wrote on the way that. How fun. He co-wrote the movie. Was it just fun?

Big adventure. You're sick. I remember it as like a really positive. And just because it was like very, like you could touch everything. It was like a very tactile. Yeah, it was fun. It was fun. It was fun.

Yeah. The whole set. So it's very pure. I don't remember being like stressed. All that came later. Yeah. And in David States. And it was.

But I don't remember having those. I remember having them about like Minute Made orange juice. and having to drink the concentrate over and over or like a pine salt commercial. That's just like the stench of the pine salt. You would do the commercials? Yeah, I did like 60 commercials. A lot of commercials on a side note.

As a child actor. And so I can remember this. Well, it wasn't enough because I was promised a Lambo, a Lamborghini, and it never came. Tax evasion from the family followed. So I guess it was not enough, whatever it was. Oh, because they ran your cash. Yeah, I never saw a lick of it.

I never saw a lick. We hear that story every time with a child after. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, Hershey's commercials shelves. You must have raked it. Yeah.

I remember that jingle. I'm the happiest girl in the whole USA. Yippie I okay. I don't know why. She sounds like Julie Bowen a little bit. You ever get that? that? I haven't until now. Yeah, it's an honor just to be nominated. Just say, just say, I'm Julie Bowen. Just to say, I'm Julie Bowen.

Holy shit. It's like she's on the pot. And listen, two gorgeous actresses, good voices, good job. That's, that's a company. Thanks, boss. What's the most fun you've had in show business? I mean, of all these shows, I mean, were you getting self-esteem as a little kid from landing all these, booking all these things? Not at all. It was definitely. No, good. No, I was just getting, you know, properly twisted up as is, want to happen to children or awake and aware too early.

Like, I can't really remember a time where I was not a tune. I think it's called the hypervigilance, you know, that sets in. you're always waiting for like another shooter drop. And I thought as a kid that maybe I was smart and I should be like a spy because I was noticing things. But then later in therapy discovering that that's just the fear that something is going to go wrong. And that's why you know where all the kind of exits are. And you're sort of like very paying deep attention to all the details.

Like whenever I go somewhere, I usually like fully have a sense of a 360. And I don't know if it's from watching the godfather too many times as a child. or if it's because, yeah, I'd just like to know where the exits are. Are you a good flyer? Are you good on an airplane then? Or you're thinking about... Yeah, I mean, unless I'm getting, you know, kicked off. But generally speaking, if you look at the amount, your honor, your honor, if you look at the amount of flights, I have not been kicked off of me.

Arguably, I'm a pretty good fight. You're pretty good. And you actually deserve to be bumped up to first for that. track record. Thank you so much. I get it. Thank you, officer. It's stressful.

They don't take that in consideration. I know. I know. And it rare, it's like, you just got certain people have planes and helicopters and other people. It's just the airport now with like the heat wave. It's just like being in Wally or something. You're just like moving through space and humidity in a sort of graphic way. It's packed.

In humidity. You didn't see an alien. That's not what happened. I didn't see an alien. Do you remember that situation? From Wally the movie? No, I'm a girl on a plane that saw an alien. Oh, I thought you meant her.

I remember that. No, she freaked out. And then she said, that guy's not fucking real. And then they kicked her off. Oh, well, that's a real classic Twilight Zone. That was Billy Shatner. Billy Shatner in the Twilight Zone saw the grandma on the wing right

yeah that was on the wing my favorite twice was sitting next to someone Beachcroft she was and she became convinced he was an alien she stood up and said he's not real and she said it was final death day she goes everybody should get off this fucking

that was a while ago but now I believe her because everyone's talking about reptilians and stuff and uh oh yeah they love that and chem trails I'm scared. Yeah, all conspiracy theories are back on the board. They're all back on the board.

They're all up for grabs. Sometimes they're true. That's the trick. It's like I remember years ago. When it hits, people told me, there's a guy named Epstein and he has an island, secret island, all these famous people go, I go, really? Come on. And then, whoops.

Not my Epstein, like I always say. Wait a minute. Not your, Jeffie. Now, did you see the photo of Stephen Hawking in the submarine and there's like that little circle and he's looking through it? I found that to be one of the most striking images I've ever seen in my entire life, like on a par with 2001 or something. Like, it's just the absurdity you cannot construct such a thing. It's just Jeffrey Epstein standing there. And then Stephen Hawking was looking out this little circle.

I don't think I've seen that picture. I've seen it. Oh, it's a good. But I remember that Stephen Hawking was part of the tribe. You know, so he's on the island and stuff like that. Drop your drawers. Gets a submarine. Now that's.

To get on the submarine. What's under that tube talk? Can we do that? It's 2026. No. It's just a speaking spell. You guys are just living wild because this is a, you think of Trump's the president. So anything goes kind of a line frame.

It goes. anything goes. Data is a good drum. I do kind of like as a creature. Anything goes. I'm going to go there. Sorry. Natasha, what is Clara?

I'm going to me. I literally came here just because you guys are funny and I wanted to see you guys. The only reason that I'm here at all is literally. I spent two hours trying to find out what you were going to promote. And you're just trying. trying to be hang out with us. She has nicest thing someone said to us a long time.

Taka with Taki directed this new movie. Oh, right. That's a big deal. Tata Kakuku. Yeah. Yeah. Flair and the Sun. Isha Guru novel?

I mean, it's a great, great book. Taika is fucking amazing. I texted him to get the part. I was, uh, can I do? Yeah. Yeah, I heard, I had heard about it. I'm going to text guys. and goes, here's my audition.

Text me back. If you answer me, I have a part. Well, that's the same with Sam. I just, that's literally all the parts of just from, asking for them. From what sounds interesting. When did you, like as an actress, because I was watching some of the stuff from your stuff,

and you just come off so confident and so in the pocket. Yeah, and lively. People have told you, that, right? Or you're terrified. That way, though. But in Russian doll, you're just like boom, boom, boom.

I mean, you improvising? There's something. You're popping. Yeah. You know. Well, and Russian doll is very, once I started doing, like, um,

writers room and, like, creating TV shows and stuff, I created Russian doll with, um, Amy, with Amy Polar and Leslie Headland. Um, and so that was a, the writer's room.

And it was also a whole lifetime of, uh, like I called my sort of like Avatar self Nadia after Nadia Komanichi and I had all these kind of like failed attempts at writing shows Polar and I actually did

another show where Ellen Burstyn played the character of Ruth. Greta Lee was still my best friend by another name and it was not picked up at NBC and then Amy was like if we could do anything, what would it really be?

And that evolved into this the Netflix version of Russian doll. But because I was in the room, I really had a sense of everything that was missing. Like, you know, when you're seeing an ellipsis

in, you know, sides or in a script, and you're like, oh, Jesus Christ, what the fuck goes here? And you got to sort of let fill in the blank. Yeah. Being a, like, a showrunner person meant that I was able to actually understand everything that was missing

because I was there for all the omits because it was an over-budget location or something. And I would do a lot of improvising to sort of like fill in the gap of the plot hole or when you, you know, while editing, I would feel it. You can feel it. Yeah.

But it's a much better actor for it because I actually knew what was happening moment to moment as opposed to faking it or like sort of like pretending because you don't want to be difficult and ask too many questions. So you're just sort of winging it. Like actually knew the ins and outs

and where all the bodies were buried of the things that like we actually as a writer's room didn't know or as a production couldn't afford. Or if it feels like it needs a little more explanation, you can change your lines a tiny bit without getting in trouble. You're like, I feel like we need to clarify this or maybe I could add this and steer the story because you're not supposed to do that in a regular set.

Yeah. You got Amy, which is a great partner. You're a producer and a co-creator of the show. So you're not like a higher. actress. You're not some David Spade for hire. You're out there doing that, don't you? Or like, I try to do that. I can't imagine like, like, when you're, even if I'm doing like

something, like when it goes, Wayne's world goes into the movie version. Isn't it really like you and Mike constructing the entire thing? I would have to imagine. Kind of working separately and together. But yeah, I mean, the first time we got out of the AMC PACER and we going to walk to the Stan McKita's Don't shop. It's like, it's like, okay, how do we, how do we walk?

You know, it's just, we never really walk. Are we actors now? Do we have to act and have a character? But I'm imagining you guys are really are like, say, you have to be inside of every single one of those movies. Where they get you for reason and also some I wrote some of those movies I co-wrote. And so

you, you know, I know sometimes when you shut up, but sometimes we, you know, it's always for the good of the film. Maybe a take, let me add one joke. Let me add something in this. You can take it or leave it, that kind of stuff, where it's not really disruptive. You're just saying, if I'm more of a hired hand, but if I'm part of it, then it's really fun, like you're saying. And plus you've got Amy right there who's smart and fun and, you know, good teammate. Yeah, and SNO was training ground. And we love Amy,

Polar, of course. I mean, she's really smart. That's a great person hook up with. I'm glad you two pounds each other. Yeah, on a good rack. And I feel like that's not something that gets discussed enough because of her talent. You know, right. It's not. What happened? Yes. By the way, a great dancer.

Amy. And a sneaky brilliant dancer. Yeah. Well, I just feel when I was out there last fall doing Biden or whenever it was. And there's Amy and Tina and stuff. and I just felt like I was a really large person. It's like, what do you mean? Well, they're just little, little people.

Yeah. I mean, there's so, they're so big. Amy is 4-4. Tina's 3-3. Yeah, Tina's 3-3. I'm 2-9. Yeah. And Fred Astaire was 9-9.

And not enough people talked about that. He was taller than Boris Scarloff and he actually read for Frankenstein, but he couldn't get the awkward footing. He couldn't be facile. I heard that Ringo star is the new James Bond. I just saw. Don't try it all together. Ball and James Baldwin, my brothers.

We interviewed Ringo and we were both so nervous. You were? You can imagine. Yeah, of course. Well, we couldn't get an interview with Ringo like this. So we had to lean in on like a press junket for his new country Western album. So I don't think he really, I'm not sure Ringo knew. He maybe thought we were journalists or something, but he couldn't have been nicer.

Right, because I said I'm playing Humphreys, which is a theater, outdoor theater in San Diego. And he's like, really? What are you doing there? What would you be doing there? Well, who are you interviewing there? Peace and love. I have to say that every other line, peace and love. But, yeah, Amy's great.

Anyway. So this, Clara, is October 23rd. I will say that when I run into this young lady out and about, which is rare, but always like this, funny, even if it's for one minute, funny, nice, crazy. And I can see why you jump off the page in these auditions and me's and all your stuff you do because very memorable. And a really cool voice. Yeah, cool voice.

I listen to voices. And they told us you will do the podcast as long as your hair is still wet when it dries, you're done and it looks like it's dry. So we wanted to thank you. I just want to thank you guys. Um, being my new representatives and just reminding people that I do really like jump off the page. They, I think the same of you, whatever I see you. I think they're so funny and I always want to, uh, get more banter. And Dana, I never get to see you. And I, I was just a, such a huge fair. Thank you. You are? Not really, not intentionally. I just, I'm very busy in a lot of different ways. I have horses. Oh, I didn't realize that. I'm so sorry. It's a new,

a new thing. That's fair. Sayla Vee. All right, listen, if you're enjoying the fly on the wall, of course, hopefully you are. Click follow. We don't want to be desperate, but obviously smash that goddamn button on your favorite podcast app. Smash it. Leave a review, a good one. Leave a five-star rating, nothing else. Whoops. And maybe even share an episode. with a friend. If you're watching this episode on YouTube, please. Subscribe, Dana. What do you think?

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