Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Paul Giamatti

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

The supernatural, acting range, and Billions with Paul Giamatti. *Note: this interview was recorded before the SAG-AFTRA strike took effect. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Here's a little song I wrote about our upcoming guest. Okay. ["Polgy Monay"] ["Polgy Monay"] ["Polgy Monay"] Can you guess who our guest is? Is that it? Oh, uh, it's Paul G. Monay.

You are. What are my friends? I was wondering where you were going with that. You didn't really go anywhere. Well, these are called micro songs. They're like my micro impressions. They're songs, but they're just micro songs. Cause I don't want to hog the spotlight

from our incredible guest, Paul G. Mettie. What a cool hanging out. Very cool dude. Kind of guy you would hang out with, have some pizza with in the or super. It was very fun to talk to. We get into parallel normal. Oh yeah, he's into the paranormal as podcast coming out about it.

And he really gets in at, and I like that, because everyone has had some experience with something weird, something that they want to tell you about. Yeah. He had a lot of good stories about that. He's been in a lot of obviously the big movie. That's a big movie.

The big movie. You got on. It's great. You got on. And he's been in, oh, he was in 12. He just slaved the feel bad movie this summer. He was, he's on billions. Thanks for doing all the talking. Sideways was the major one. Adam, did you mention Adams? Oh, John Adams.

Johnny Adams. We learn a lot about JJ Adams because Adams, we were laughing that you can't really tell if he's doing a good impression or a bad impression because it's so long. I'm Paul Giametti. He's very, oh because it's so long. I'm Paul Giametti. He's very, oh that's pretty good. I'm Paul Giametti.

He was so nice and he's had such an amazing career. He does comedy and he does drama, both perfect and really fun to talk to. I would listen to this one. Don't, don't, press the pause button. Don't touch that dial. Don't go over to some other podcast. Just listen and enjoy these 40 commercials.

Paul G. Mott, hey. That was good. That's all I got. I know, I just get one. Well, I think you've done very well. I mean, there's quotes on, I mean, there's fans. I mean, you're like a, you're a thing. You're a thing.

You're like, okay, you had Billy Bob Thornton on. That's another guy who's a thing. Billy Bob Thornton. Yeah, but he's, yeah, he's like a serious funny guy. He's like, yeah, he's, he's amazing. He's, wait, you had him on what? Oh, on billions? No, I had him on, I'm been doing this podcast. Whoa, whoa, whoa, did. You haven't learned one thing this

old time and it's been a year and a half. It's been a year and a half? Yeah, I think if you're, if you're curious, just curious about anything, that's a good place to be in. Because I'm curious about you. Well, no, that's just a no. And I think, I think the thing is that I was like, well, I'll talk about all this shit that I never talk about like UFOs and stuff like that. That's super interesting to me. I can endlessly talk about that stuff, big foot and stuff like that, like just endlessly. So, you know, I love that stuff. And I think it's a good area. Because I like, first of all, that you're veering a little bit away from Sarnan Live, which helps us. Yeah.

And big foot hosted in 2011. Did he really? That was John Malaney, who's the size 14. So that was why they called him Bigfoot. But let's go back to Sasquatch. You know, on a Bigfoot, let's talk about this stuff, Dana. Absolutely, I'm happy to talk about it. Let's spend a little time on it.

Here's my, I'm happy to talk about Sarnan Live. I don't know that I was too much of a sweet stuff to say, but stuff to say but no your episode is great and we'll save that that's a teaser Okay, I went over it. It's it's was received incredibly well and you were very very funny in it Oh, yeah, yeah, good. Oh, yeah, it's a great episode here from you guys good for my day I want to jump in and say in your monologue you were like shot out of a cannon You were sort of like you you're ready to go. Is it a little nervous or what? I think I was nervous.

I think I was also, if I remember right, I was really sick. So I was sick as a dog. So I think I was overcompensating. Wow. I think I was like, I gotta get myself really ramped up because I was really unwell. I had a terrible time to be sick.

Terrible. The only incredible thing about being sick, and David, I've been talking about in terms of standup or whatever, your nerves go away because you're like, I don't think I can even fucking do this, but I guess I'm gonna do it. I'll just do it, but I'll get away. I'll be any good.

But you could. No, I actually like being sick and some things are really tired too, because then I don't over fucking do it. I over did it there, but I don't normally over do it. But I do think I was extra, I mean, I normally over do it. And if I'm sick or tired, it'll cut back on my overdo it. But that monologue and fairness, for anyone I've hosted twice, Dana's hosted, even if you've been there and you see it and you go,

I wouldn't get nervous. You you hear that music in the back and you're like, fuck, this really it. And then you start to shake a lot. It's just too much. It's like, no, I was very nervous doing the whole thing. I was so nervous I didn't really want to do it. At first, I was like, I don't want to do this. They came in offered to me and I was like, fuck, no, I don't want to do that.

That would be too long. I would fuck that up. That would be terrible. I would screw that up. I don't want to do this. They came in and offered it to me. And I was like, fuck no, I don't want to do that. That didn't be too long. I would fuck that up. That would be terrible. I would screw that up. I don't want to do that. But you do get scale. I guess you take that. I got it.

And so, yeah. Well, you also, I think I'm sorry to harp on this, but it was interesting that it was a blizzard that we gave. And I think from your monologue, I could gather that it was going to be hard to get nodding. You don't even know if you're doing this show. I think that's monologue, I could gather that it was going to be hard to get not in. So you don't even know if you're doing this show. I think that's true. As I remember, yeah, was a gigantic blizzard. It was a huge one. Because you were thanking the crowd for even coming in. You said, we didn't know if we'd

have a crowd. We didn't know if, and that's just one more layer of making you sick. Shucks. Yeah, shut the whole thing. Shut the whole city down. And I think it was the first time they'd ever had the party afterwards, not at a, they had it in that studio. Oh, a little mixer. Wow. It was a little, it was very much like a little mixer. I've never heard of it there. Yeah, yeah, it was so convenient. Yeah, yeah, just break open the, whatever you're drinking right there.

Yeah, it was a little sad. Yeah, it was a little sad. Yeah, yeah. Usually it's spectacular. Well, since we're on the topic, Paul the rocker, I mean, you got, once you locked into these characters, you're really, really funny. The British guy doing the gibberish, the Lundford twins with Fred Armourson who I wasn't even remembering. I was really, that I remember being the most fun. I liked that a lot.

I thought that was really funny. And they did all the sets really well in the costumes and the other people were so great. So exactly like the people on those kind of he-ha type things. And Fred Armason was with you and he was always very cool. But yeah, that's the magic of it is that it's just picking the show by Wednesday and then these beautiful sets and beautiful costumes and never think it's going to work. And then the air show, it's like, hey, we're actually, that we're doing, I guess what we're doing.

Yeah, I can remember them saying, like they were like, what do you think this guy's hair would be like? And I said, sort of like James Conn, the kind of like James Conn 70s perm that he had. Yeah, and then in two seconds, they had that wig made and it was just amazing. Well, they didn't have it made.

I wore the James Con Con big wig in 1991. And I wrote on the bottom, I said, save it for future hosts. But anyway, you look great in it. No, they do that like that. Danny, you ever try on the pants? And it says former cast member, you know, say someone from 10, 15, 20 years ago.

Because Farley used to wear, once he found Balushi ones, he would put them on under his own pants during the show and I go, you're, that's like a crazy person thing. Like it's lucky. It's lucky pants. Yeah. But I can't, I go, how do you move in two pairs of pants? Two pairs of pants. Didn't bother him.

And he moved amazingly in two pairs of pants. Well, they have a, they have a big bulletin board in the wardrobe area and they list your name and then they list your sizes You know waist size and length and I was the only one who had reverse sizing So love it's and I have this funny long term thing of reverse sizing because at that those days I was very slender so my way so you were very slender and your legs are incredibly short No, my late. Well, I they had me a 32, but I don't like short legs. Oh, super long legs. I'm sorry. I said, just say that. No, not super long. I had a small way. Insee. Dennis Miller used to say, fucking, uh, Rob Schneider's from the bottom of his nuts to

the top is boots is 11 inches. Jesus, that sounds so mean. Why the way, just show you have a foot between the knee bone to the hip bone. Okay. Femur to ankle it. You know, Giamari looks a little like Schneider, which I think you said, Giamari, right? Somebody said, you're gonna be

a son of some talk. Do I look like him? Do I look more like him? Am I aging more into looking like him? Cause I never thought I looked like him, but I was mistaken for him. There was a period of time that I was constantly mistaken for him.

Yeah, it's weird. I don't know what started it and I don't know what ended it, but there was a definite like you went into it and you faded out of it. It's weird gap that where everybody was convinced I was robbed. It's not in totem, but maybe a little bit about the upper lip of the nostrils. He has kind of an elvacy going on there. He played Elvis in Japan.

We talked about that. There might be something right in there. I thought it was the eyes more too, just to come in the big. Well, if you, let's just say this probably never happened. There's a grownups three. We have a Schneider contract situation. We call Paul. I need his 10 minutes in the trailer with you. Can you say, maize, maize, you could say maize. I don't look like I'm on it. He's got a hair offended. He's got hair. No, I wasn't offended. I just couldn't figure it out. I was like that's so weird. If you put us together, there's no way you would think it was I was having dinner with him once the guy came up. Paul Jim

Money and really that's the thing I always wonder it doesn't happen. No, no, I'm not Paul Jim money. Thank you. Hey, I'm wrong. If you're listening, we're joking. There's another little window where I got mistaken for Larry the cable guy, which I actually can see more than the other thing. That's 90% half though. At least three people thought I was. I love that one. That's a good one. Okay. Do you mind lowering your voice for a second and saying get or done? Get or done. Okay. It're done. It's not bad. It is the guy. But I did wonder if people, there was no mistaking him from me though. That would never happen.

Why is that a one way street? But do you know that hat? He wore a hat, right, Dana? Yeah. I, I'm in a U of the store. I don't have a face or a voice, like I'm a completely neutral person. So I'm able to, if I put a hat on and just do,

and I can walk a mostly. Looks like a, I don't have any, if I put a hat on and just do an icon walk, mostly like a, I don't have any, you could put a nose on, I'm perfect to add a voice or a thing. It's a blank canvas. People, but I, people don't recognize you. People don't immediately. You're voice nothing. It's frustrating. What they do is they squint painfully. Like, why do I know that guy? But I love being anonymous. I'm not, I'm an introverted extrovert. But David and I used to be mistaken for each other a lot.

I could see that. I could sort of see that. I could sort of see that. He's got the little beard now and we both went back. That's good. To just let you hit you guys, that's a good idea. I had bangs till I was 55. And I said, my wife said,

Hey Joy, like the, the Dutch boy here. Yeah. My wife said, you know, tired of having sex with howdy-duty here. Okay. Let's come back and do something. Although howdy-duty. That's a little bro cream. Both of you guys have a good heads of hair.

It's nice to say. I, we have, there's a lot of product. There's a lot of smoke in my ear. Why not? If I came out of a pool, you would, you would comment to somebody. You would throw up. Jesus Christ is an island out there. That peninsula shrinking.

I'm just in a dentist mode today. Well, yeah, that's very interesting. I put you already, which is a good thing. You go to normally or such, is that? Well, I love doing Dennis Miller. I think he's brilliant. I mean, his the way he'll filter language, like give me a subject, anything. Or an idea, anything.

To have an ice cream sundae for lunch. Well, that's a good dietary choice. Okay. Give me the 7,000 calories split. All right. I'll put that on my orifice and hold my stomach for two hours, cramping. So that's a good way to spend a Sunday afternoon. Well, I got a freezer burn in my perinium.

Exactly. David is an heir apparent to Dennis. Yeah. I've been doing this podcast his throw away wit and and reference. So they're, they're twinsies. But anyway, Paul, what we love about you. Yes. Paul has even talked yet. Wow. This is fantastic. We're getting you, Paul. Let's do a little bit. Supernaps because I want to, I just want to tell people. It's also on YouTube and you can list it.

Ching. Yeah, because it's shit animation with it. Yeah, it's called Ching. Yeah. And there's animation with it. We wanted to do the whole thing animated, but that was to expect. Right. That's just a point out people that they're talking about supernatural stuff and waking

dream states. And then when you see it on YouTube, you're seeing animation. Animation, some stories going. I thought that was really cool. Yeah, the animation's great. And that was really, that was the idea. And maybe someday we can do the whole thing. Are you allowed to show clips or are you not allowed? I don't know.

Do you know that they show the whole thing? I don't know if they've harvested clips of your show and put them all around Instagram. They do, they put clips up on the social media and stuff like that. But if you say someone in Washington, there's a new possible big foot. Can you show 10 seconds that or is that illegal? Oh, of like, of a person who filmed a big foot in Washington. Yeah. That's a good question. I don't know.

We haven't gone to that. Thank you. I can on social media, but YouTube might be a different story. Interesting. We haven't, we've been wanting to do stuff to that. I think you can on social media, but YouTube might be a different story. Interesting. We haven't, we've been wanting to do stuff like that, because actually I keep talking to people of crazy stories and I want to record them and put that on and, you know, which would be fine. But showing like the Chupa Cabra,

somebody filmed the Chupa Cabra in like Arizona, I don't know if we could do that. Sorry, I'm a Neophyte Chupa Cabra. The Chupa Cabra is getting around. It's like a crazy little coyote ish. Yeah, coyote crazy thing that kills cattle and goats and it's a blood sucker. It like drains the blood out of goats and cows and stuff. It's sort of a Mexican. It started like in Mexico and it's like a lore that they say it's out there. Now it's all over like it's all over.

I saw it. You see what you did? I saw something demonic. So I'm at a ranch farm place, right? We have a koipon because it came with the house. Anyway, at the ranchy pond at the ranchy place, there's a koipon. So I see a thing bigger than a cat, smaller than a dog, creeping in slow motion

to the coin pond. Right. And I'm just looking at it. So I sort of knock, it looks at me. It looks really chewed up. And it had a demonic face, just like intensely scary. I was told it's just a chewed up bobcat.

So then I just banged the window and ran away. And ran away. I think the Chupacabra is horns. I can't remember. I have horns away. I think that I think the Chupacabra is horns I can't remember. I don't think I think the Chupacabra you know Paul Paul might appreciate the story Day in the you can tune out but when in grownups too. Oh my god a couple people remember that's our third reference to I know I know it's just that to come up this much. What was the box office gross to paint it? To 165, 165 men. That's I think it was a good explanation. Yeah, yeah.

So pre-pair haven't. We have a scene where the grandma has a big beat up, chewed up toe and she goes, my toe hurts, my toe hurts. And one of the big, I don't want to give the home movie way, but what she takes her sock off. And it's so big swollen and disgusting, like, obviously cartoony, that we all react. And then they go to, you know, I think Chris Roxas, oh, Kobe Bryant lives or whatever, you know, whatever. So, no, Toby Bryant, whatever.

So, we do a couple, everyone, you know, you cut around, you go, Spade, here's three for you, we do that. So we get to Salma Hack and she goes, what should I say? And I go, just stare and go, jupacabra. Awesome. And, uh, and she did it and then no one laughed. And she looked at me and I go, I think it's funny. I think someone will get it.

I think it's great. We'll go ahead. Yeah. That's great. It didn't make it. Huh? Didn't make even a rough cut. So Paul about chinwag, chinwag.

Yeah, what is the stuff that floats about as far as supernatural? Is it people seeing ghosts, aliens? Yeah, ghosts are interesting. Aliens, I was super into for a long time alien abduction stuff, which kind of doesn't really, I don't think it happens so much anymore, which is weird that it was again,

there was like a window of time, it was like me being recognized as Rob Schneider there was like a window of time, it was like me being recognized this drop Schneider, there was a window of time where people got abducted by aliens, well that doesn't seem to happen as much, but I've fascinated by that and UFOs and stuff like that and Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, all this kind of stuff. But ghosts are really interesting to me to- What's the stuff that you believe the most? Ghost? Probably the ghost stuff, the most, which is actually in some ways, kind of the wackiest.

I don't know. It's like, yeah, probably the ghost of only because I've actually had weird experiences like that. I haven't seen a UFO and I haven't seen Bigfoot. I wanted to ask you about that, but what's interesting is when you talk to people, because we have Irish relatives in our family, they're not even saying it's a crazy thing. They're just like, oh, we had a ghost on the house. We'd see it with a little girl in a dress

and we'd wave high to it. And everyone saw the same image and they weren't even frightened of it. It was just a ghost who was there. And that's when you kind of go, well, maybe what? Yeah. Now, I think there's some places again, Japan, they're super like 99% of the population believes in ghosts.

And so everybody just accepts that you have a ghost and people will like leave out snacks for the ghost and stuff like that to appease the ghost and stuff like that. Does the snacks ever get eaten like Santa's girlfriend? I don't know, I don't think so, but I don't think you're thinking of each year's of things. Yeah, but I have a question that's not to bum you out. Please.

Uh oh, here we go. All right, now I'll watch the video. I can take this out later. We've never taken anything out. Please. But, oh, here we go. I know. I can take this out later. We've never taken anything out. I can take this out later. But they said there for a while that there was a theory, and you might have heard this, that some of these alien abductions were people that had relatives visiting their room

and they were dreaming it, and that's how it would come out when they would remember it, or that's what they were told or something. If you were hearing that they would they would remember something that was happening. It just just relatives. Well, like a little darker than that. You know, right. Yes. In the room. Yes. I understand. I understand. So if you have you ever heard something like that? Yes, I have. Yeah. And that it's all a kind of there's a word for it. Waking dream state. But there's a more. Well, there's that, but there's screen. There's a thing called, I think a screen memory,

which is, which is when you invent a memory to hide something from yourself like that, like what you're talking about, because you don't, you can't process that. So you think it's something else. And people probably steer you to that. So it turns down. Could be that too.

Could be that too. But the thing you're talking about, Dana, is called hypnagogic sleep, which is sleep paralysis. Which is how it, I've seen you. I've had it too. Can we hear your story? I've had it. I mean, I had one of the kind of ghost encounters

was probably sleep paralysis. Okay. I woke up in a place in a hotel that was very haunted and Dallas. It's supposed to be one of those haunted places in the country. And I couldn't really move, but I was hearing sounds knocking on the walls and all kinds of stuff like that. But then what I felt was there was someone in the room with me.

And then I felt like someone got in a bed with me. Ask me. And yeah, well, I mean, you know, and then someone put their arms around me and I can feel somebody squeezing me. And then I thought I heard somebody say, don't move like that. But then eventually I moved and woke up and it all disappeared. And a lot of that stuff is characteristic. They say of sleep paralysis, the feeling of pressure on your chest that you can't move,

the feeling that there's somebody in the room with you. And it's all brain chemistry. It's going to all be exciting. It feels very real. It feels very real. It feels totally real. I had a double wambi, but sorry, sorry, I didn't realize. No, no, no, go ahead. No, no, no. Well, I, I, I was in a hotel with my wife, sent a sheet or a ranch. And then I had the thing where I'm about to wake up and something is, yeah, or I think I'm awake, but I'm in it's pressure on me. And the word nightmare comes from as a feeling of horse, laying on you.

So then I woke up and said, okay, that's a waking dream state, or I must have been in between, you know, so I used the bathroom, so I go back to bed, and I'm a little shookin' up front, so I'm completely wide awake. At that point, I processed it, I woke up, and then it came again, except with more force.

So I woke my wife up and I said, we gotta leave. And we did, and there was a lightning storm outside and a dead skunk on the freeway with a convo way. The whole thing was a fucking nightmare. It's a crime. The whole thing was a fucking nightmare. It's a crime. Yeah. No, but that's a big feature of it is the pressure on the chest thing.

And it's like, why it does that I don't know, you know? But certainly, that's the thing that a lot of people say, the alien abduction thing could be sleep paralysis. What about white noise? What about white noise what about white noise you mean like what is that you mean i don't know well i didn't know what white noise was but then there is this uh... boombox in my son's room he was he'd uh... got a little spooked about his room so he moved in with his little

brother so room was empty but there's a boom box in there and it's not on but it's 2 a.m. And I hear it as if it's on between channels. I really are. I was kidding. Right. What the hell can anyone hear this? So I go in there and by the time I get to the room it stops but all the way there it was.

Wow, I've never heard of that. I've never heard that kind of thing but there is a there is a thing. Terrifying. I've never heard of that. I've never heard that kind of thing, but there is a thing, it's called electronic voice phenomenon, I think, EVP, which is that people think that when you have it like sort of between stations, or if you find the right frequency, you'll hear ghosts talking, people think it cuts voices. Yeah, exactly.

Or aliens and stuff like that. And so there's a whole thing with people study that stuff. It's amazing. I've been at dinner parties and play this game of, as anyone, I turned to someone, if you ever had a supernatural experience, besides meeting me, that's the joke. But everyone, everyone, or an extraordinary experience,

was like, but everyone has something. Oh, there was that one night, you know, that's why your podcast, Gene Weg should be a smash. Is that just Gene Weg, right? It sounds like a Chinese restaurant, but my point is, Yeah, I just, it's not,

the name is, the name might not be the greatest thing, but it's what we picked and they went with it and they liked it. Gene Weg instead of the okay. Yeah, I was like, it's all, I don't know what else to, yeah, I don't, yeah, I think maybe it was all the it. Chinwag instead of the jacket. Yeah, I was like, it's all like a clay house. Yeah, I think maybe it was all the way. I have a question for Dana.

Dana's quickly. Okay. What do you say? All star guests. No, no, no, I don't want to go. I want to hear it for some. No, no, no, what do you got? It's just what you just briefly ran over was,

is the term nightmare meaning a mirror laying on you? Yeah, horse. Yeah, that's where it came from. I've probably heard that. The horse, the horse that kind of comes in and takes you away, sorry. Yeah, it feels like a heavy, you can't, it wants to hold you down and you can't push on it.

The second time it was pushing harder, and then some people are spiritual, like these are trapped souls, and they're actually sort of disoriented themselves, and they want to get, take your life in your body over. So they're just trying to get in your body. And there's no way they were. I have a call on. I have a Paul question, Dan. Don't get mad. This one's for Paul. Oh, okay. So I like one Paul talks when I have my Dreams that are scary. I will hear someone in my room say something to me and I wake up to look and I realize

It's so scary real. They'll say my name or something will talk and I'll get up and I I must have just dreamed it Yeah, and it seemed real and it yeah Or something. I don't know. Or I think that. That's the weird, you can hear things with sleep paralysis too. So I don't know. Maybe it's kind of that thing.

I've had that again in the club with you guys, I think. No, no, no, that's weird. One of the other ghost things I had was hearing voices in a room. Yeah. Where somebody had told me you can hear voices in this room. And I used to, it was a relative of mine's house, and I used to sleep in this bedroom. Just because I was like, I want to experience this,

and it never happened. And then, I was, did. Well, now, it woke me up, because I heard a voice, and it woke me up, then it wasn't going, and I thought, oh, I was imagining it or something, and then I would hear the voices talking to each other. I had that on the road in Wisconsin, Dana. I think I told you I did this gig

and I was selling out all these shows. It's no, that is even part of the story. That's good to know about that. That's very good to know. How big were the rooms you were selling out? It was a couple of tiny, 100-seaters and a lot of comps or hard tickets. But after the show is when I was wiped out

from doing on-course, I go home. You're tired. And I'm walking through the lobby like, they're, you're so brilliant blah, blah, blah. You're so famous, whatever, whatever, you know. So you're exhausted, but it's hard to get tired. It's natural, just, yeah, absolutely. I've got Carpal Tunnel from Signing off, Funkos. So anyway, I go in and they go, and then Bobby got it on the road with me goes,

you know, this house, this hotel's haunted and I go, it's pretty nice hotel, it's huge and I said, oh no, don't tell me that, that scares me and we're here for three nights. And then they have a company line, that's a haunted is they go, are you guys haunted and the waitress goes, we serve spirits in the bar and I go, shut the fuck up.

Are you guys haunted? You're not getting the question, but they have. They're not allowed to tell you. So, everyone dodges it and everyone's like, I mean, it's a, you know, people have said thing, but it's not, I mean, we can't. Because it's gonna be.

Yeah, it does, but I think it'd probably be a selling point too for some people, I mean, but probably not enough people. I was afraid of it, but now I'm more fascinated. Have you guys ever seen a ghost? Cause I have. Now I've never seen one. And I don't know that I buy that the whole like,

the lady in green with this bloody head walking down the hole. I don't know that I buy that. Now challenge that. I draw the line at that. I don't really know that I buy that. This 10 year old girl in a night dress a few times because it was the same house. 1912, it was built, would come through the wall and just walk down the center of the bed. You've seen it?

Yes. And then you saw that. Yes. You saw the 10 year old girl in a white walking through the canteen. You died, really. Coming down the center of the bed. And then I told my wife,

what are you doing? You know, no, Kate, but I did. I did see that. And this was a thing other people had seen. No, and it's all in that same house and that same area. No one seen anything.

I'm a bad ghost. No, my friends, my friend said I don't have a collaboration. No, those are good. So it goes to look like a young waitress leaving the house right when she got home and he's like, oh my god, it's haunted. Did you saw her too?

Young pretty waitress, she just took off. Oh, we got a move. Funny, this is terrifying. I love that you, are there movies that terrified you like the exorcist or whatever that are scared? The exorcist is scary. The shining always scared me when I was a kid Yeah, yeah, the shining was a scary when the first movie I can never remember seeing was a movie

I don't know if you guys have seen this movie carnival of souls. Are you big movie buff guys? Well, I am I would say but I haven't seen carnival souls. Oh, you should you should check it out It's only really oh, it's gotta be the early 60s. I think all So really, oh, it's got to be the early 60s, I think. Oh, blood farmers. All black and white. The blood farmers are good. Sickening. That's what slogans run last night.

So that's where I'm, Oh, did they remake that? Are they talking about remaking Logan's run? They might. Yeah, yeah, that was 1970s. Was it? That's a great one. Farrah Fawcett.

That's a good one. It was a tough Gary. Yeah, this one, like a thing. Blood even had dung for a great one. Farrah Fawcett. That's a good one. It was a scary one. It was a scary one. This one's like a thing. A lot of him had dined for at least. Michael York. Yeah, absolutely. Great.

That was a scary wasn't it? No, no, I was just sci-fi. I mean, scary ones, I mean, the shiny and I think is, you know, like the conjuring are though, I don't have seen one. Those modern ones are more horror shock there's there's yeah okay who works was atmospheric go ahead yeah did you see this movie barbarian fuck that just came out like you know is that a real real horror film oh yeah it's really good it's really good yeah it's really good a real scary I do not, so you don't see them, you get really freaked out by it.

I do, I don't like those as much as I love smart science fiction. Like I love alien, obviously 2001. I love smart science fiction. I do too, I like science fiction like that too. Yeah, and it could be a little scary, but still fascinating. You're just seeing a movie called Edge of Tomorrow it's a called Edge of Tomorrow with Tom Cruise.

Yeah. That's a good one. I see it's a really good one. The guy just kept repeating everything. I ain't going back in. Yeah, that was great. I, yeah, I like that. At this point, I'll see anything with Tom Cruise.

I mean, he's won me over. Well, he'll drop out of a plane of fly. I mean, he'll go to the moon. I love it. He's going to go in the space. I think he's going to go in the space. I love that he's gonna go in the space, isn't he? I think he's gonna go in the space. I just have such a, me too. More appreciation for him as he's gone on.

Me too. Top Gun was brilliant. I mean, it was amazing film. Saw it three times. Really? The type of film that you cannot engage. How do you not enjoy that? And so at this point, he's like the last movie star they say,

or whatever you want to call him, he's got his own lane. And now I'm just have such an appreciation for me too, but I always liked him. I always thought he was. Oh, I all risky business, which I read, I read for risky business, for which for, for that part, for that part. Yeah. Oh, wow. What a different way that you find out when you sign out.

I'm in the audition. Yeah, he passed me on the way in. I go to really I said top that motherfucker. No, I was at that point. He was a known guy because he's done. He's done the machine gun machine gunning out the window with which on beautiful. Yes.

It's so great. It's so beautiful. Beautiful. It's beautiful. Taps. Taps. It's so beautiful. Beautiful, it's so beautiful. Tap, taps. That's a big deal. I read for it, but I don't think I got close to it. I had the problem is what would he call it?

Bad actor. It's syndrome. It's a bit of a problem. It could not be able to act. It's true. But there's something you can do about that. You can certainly get over that. I need a teacher and we could do it over zoom because I think you could teach me. I was nine is a great act for Amadeus.

I tested for him. Amadeus because I had a baby face and blonde hair. Yeah, you would have been great in that. I know. Tom Holtz was okay. Yeah. Did he win the Oscar? Did he? He was, I don't know. He was my mom's favorite movie. Not the, not a good movie. I saw that again not too long ago. Which one? He was, I don't know. He was my mom's favorite movie. Not the not a good movie. I saw that again. Not too long ago. Which one? Amadeus. Yes. That's. Do you go for mostly people in the 1700s? Yes. I strictly. I feel like you would play anyone in the 1700s. That's my Bailey way. It gives people in the people in the 17 on the, that's my real high band. I'm trying to bring John Hancock. Bring that up. He goes from Big Fat Lire,

which was just huge for my kids, where you're the blue, the orange guy. I mean, just gigantic. And then he plays John Adams in a mini series at HBO and wins like 20 awards. I don't know how many awards. Yeah, I don't know. I was troubling for people that I was the blue guy

and then I was John Adams. I don't know. And probably was troubling for people that I was the blue guy and then I was John Adams. I don't know And probably was troubling. I think it's called range. Is it okay? That would be a nice way to put it on John Adams No one knows if he could never play John Adams. Oh, yeah Watched say are you playing him well and you go this is exactly how he was exactly That was a good one because nobody knows. He's like, they're having to play Washington was much more probably, I mean, the guy was great. David Morse was great and Ben Franklin, the people that everybody knows.

But yeah, I didn't have to, I didn't have to live. I could just make it up. I mean, nobody really knows what he, nobody knows much about him. But tell me how you prepped for that. When you got it, it was like, oh, I'm playing John Adams. Was it a big get to Tom Cruise read for it? I don't know. That would have been a man. You should you prep for that. When you got it, was like, oh, I'm playing John Adams. Was it a big get to Tom Cruise read for it? I don't know. That would have been a minute.

You should have read for it. You would have been great as something in that. Both of you would have been great as something in that. Thank you. Well, if you have a direct anything, put us in there. I will. If I do a 1700s thing, I'm definitely going to have to let me, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question about technical. I always feel like comedians

are good when they're discovering it. If you look at Larry David, there's like, Larry David is like, okay, you'll do this. And Gary Shanley did that too. We'll say something like this, like that, and there's three cameras, and then you just do the take, and you kinda know your lines,

you don't really have lines. So it seems like great actors, trained actors, can do all the angles, repeat everything. But do you have a technique for yourself? Like I'm going to save it for the close up. Whatever you do in the wide shot in the morning, you got to match it all day. I mean, it's hard to do.

I suppose sometimes it is hard to do. But I mean, I just sometimes I've gotten more into the, sometimes I save the energy if I'm tired or something like that. But I don't generally do anything all that different from thing to thing. I mean, I don't really do it, which may account for sometimes my extra handy acting, but it's like, but I don't really think of it that way. Now I still kind of, because I used to act on stage a lot,

I still sort of think of it like I'm on stage, which is probably not the greatest way to act on film, but I sort of do. You know, I mean, it's like, if I'm off camera, I'm still doing it. I mean, I like to. You give it 100% off camera. Yeah, I don't mean because I do. I do. I do.

I would never do off camera for even 45%. You guys do. You guys not. Garth, Garth never, hey, my guard doesn't do fucking off camera. No, you work with the guys you don't do off camera. Yeah, I know. I always do off camera.

That seems amazing. But it's fun. It's fun. I've had it where they have either I've had their standing read. Yeah, I've had it too. I've had it where they I don't even know if I'm allowed to complain. I just know it's it's a little disrespectful. But some people, whatever's going on or they're burned out, I go, I'll give it to them. I said, you know, sometimes I go, you can get out of here. Some of them, you don't need much to do your side, you know,

yeah, or whatever. I mean, the line is just, yeah, who don't want to look at you when you're off camera? Some people who kind of prefer not really looking at something, they get distracted by something off camera. When they're, when I do movies with Daniel DeLewis, we laugh about this. We, we, Danny and I talked about it too.

You, you talked to Danny about that? Yeah, DDL is usually saying stuff like, I've heard Jim, just to, he, you know what he says to me, just say how to say it. Just tell me how to say it. Right, he just needs a line reading. He goes, I'm not getting it.

I can tell from your face, it just tell me one and I'll just say it and we'll get out. What am I doing wrong? That's totally, totally. Well, I want to ask you Paul, because I think you're a great actor, so now we can dig into that a little bit. Like I asked Joe Pesci, I go, Joe Pesci.

How do you know the scene is great? Or how do you, how do you do it? You go, and he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck it, you just lock in. You lock in. That's what you do. So I wonder, because if you're a smart person and you're over redundant

thinker about life and absorbing and sensitive person and then you got to focus into this thing where you're so loose, it seems to me great actors kind of aren't acting when they're in the pocket, when they're... It's both so, yeah. There's a great take and you realize there was no judgment, the voice wasn't saying it, we're doing this right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And but but I always wonder, is that actually the best take sometimes? You know, I mean, sometimes if you think it was or you felt like it was, I wonder if it actually was, you know, I mean, you can't really know in some ways. I don't know. Somebody like him, though, I mean, is he ever not been in the, I mean, has he ever not been in the sweet spot all the time? I mean, that guy lives in the sweet spot.

It's like, he doesn't, you know what I mean? It's like, and somebody, some guys, like, I don't know does he need to do a lot of preparation and shit? I mean, it's like, it's not that he's playing himself. It's just that he's, I mean, he just, it's constantly, a guy like that, I see like Jeff Goldblum. I'm like, when did you like, when did you flip the switch and it just turned on Jeff Goldblum? And then he, when did you like, when did you flip the switch and it just turned on Jeff Goldblum and then just endlessly flows out of you.

And it's endlessly, it's endlessly interesting too. And it's like you're always in the zone. And it's not like they're repeating themselves in some way because they're always great. They're always, you know, and then DDL has to prepare for three years to become somebody completely different. You know? They're kind of lost me when he said, which I love Daniel Lewis, but Sally Field goes, he was so into Lincoln, he would text me as Lincoln. I'm like, well, I don't know if that's sort of ruins it a little bit.

That doesn't really, yeah, that doesn't matter. He had a flip phone, a good in text. I have a bit of a competition. I have a bit of a competition. I have a competition. I think he was doing, I think he like, like, like, brand new to or Nicholas Cage, you'll do a subtle impression. So I think Daniel Day Lewis was doing a John Houston was, was who he was doing throughout

there will be blood. Right. Not the virus. Win? Just everyone else should lose? I'm John Houston. Cut. Daniel, no, you're not. You're not John. I'm John. You're not.

I think. That's a good. I think that's something to that. I think there is something to that. You find a funny voice. Very, very warm. Yeah. I mean, a funny voice.

That's endlessly interesting. Yeah. Nicholas Cage. Nicholas Cage. I was doing this goofy movie with him And he goes he was just thought acting shouldn't have to be real. It should be surreal It wants to be he goes in this next tank. I'm gonna come in and I'm gonna do Daniel Day Lewis And in the name of the father and so he came in he plopped to his knees and started crying He was doing a scene from a different movie, not telling the director, cut brilliant. Brilliant.

Brilliant. Yeah, brilliant. Did he really do that? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's amazing. What was the movie you did with Nicholas? It said not as big as you're moving.

Trapped in paradise. Me, me love it. Yeah, there was no script and no real direction. We wandered around in the snow for a few months and they put it together. Fantastic. Anyway, I did make it work. I'm much that's always a good choice. I did make it work in the movie. Did you? I know what you're doing. Well, I know what you're doing, but you guys should stop doing it. Watch the movie. It didn't work. The studio is mad. Anyway, back to you, Paul. What was it? I think he's a great actor. Make you work. By the way, yeah. Make you work a great actor. Do you ever do you ever watch a body heat? Is he in body heat? Yeah, he comes in. I don't know. Oh, that's right. Yes, yes, he's great in body heat. And he's great. It's the music on

everything. That's great. It's great in body heat. Yeah. He's a great actor. He's a great actor. That's William Hurt and Captain Herbert. got a good maybe yep that's right William and Ted dancin Ted dancin's in that movie quite a bit oh yeah and he and he's dancing in the yes yeah that's the movie I'll watch a pretty you know every couple years I haven't seen it a long time I should watch it let me ask you a question because you've been in all these movies, all these great actors. So if you've been in a scene with someone and then you just think you're just, damn, they're good. Like really good.

Oh, yeah, all the time. Yeah. No, I did you do a movie with David? I have yet to do that. Yeah, believe me. It's going to be, it's going to knock my socks off. I know. Well, I'm saving it.

You're not seeing it here. You'll see it. Very good. Yeah, all the time. I mean, it happens all the time. I did. I did. Russell Crowe.

Russell Crowe was like that. It's like crazy. And he's great. He's really great to work with. He's awesome. And yeah, he was like that. And Helen Mirren, I was like, how the fuck, wow. How the fuck are you doing any of this? It's amazing. And yeah, he was like that in Helen Mirren. I was like, how the fuck, wow. How the fuck are you doing any of this?

It's amazing. And all kinds of people. Yeah, but Russell Crowe actually was a good one. He was totally like that. How old are you? Send a row. I worked through a way in my ear. He was amazing.

Okay, he was amazing. He was amazing. Yeah. What about you, did man on the moon? How was Kerry on that with, I loved him Kerry. Was he, because you you know I heard stories about that movie but was it just was it interesting. Have you guys ever done anything with somebody who's doing that sort of like I'm in the character all the time thing. A little bit I think Sean Penn

there's a movie called racing with the moon wanted to be referred to as characters. Yeah. Yeah. Right. My part was cut out of the movie, but I had a scene with Sean Penn in a hospital. Yeah. I was a crazy man. Yeah. You were like another. You were alone at taking the hospital.

Yeah. But I'll tell you what, Richard Benjamin called me at home and said, we love what you did, but we have to cut it out. He was so sweet to do that. So I worked with him. I did a movie. I did a Disney family TV movie with the director where I played a wacky civil war ghost. It was great. It was one of my favorite things I've ever done. It was so really. Yeah. It was a long time ago. He was

great. Oh, yeah. Dickey Benjamin is the best. I was blown away to be working with Dickey Benjamin. I was like, that's really, that's amazing. What did it, wait a minute, what do you have to do? I got one on the moon. Man on the moon. Oh, it was, yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was challenging. It was, it was not, it was not easy. You know, he was great, but it was tricky, you know, because it was sometimes hard to just kind of

fit yourself around what he was doing, you know, being in the thing all the time. And it was, it was tricky. It was amazing. And they made a documentary because he filmed all this stuff off camera. And it was like, what was going on off camera was almost, was more insane than the actual movie. And, and I think the idea was to make some kind of movie out of that, which eventually he made this documentary about it. But it was like, so it's Jim Kerry playing Andy Kaufman, who's playing Tony Clifton. Tony Clifton, yeah.

So it was like, so he was told whenever he was Tony Clifton, it was particularly mayhem off the set because he was just fucking, you know, he would, he would, so he outcut and he's still in character and the character of Tony Clifton is loud of nox, and all you're in for that. And that's all who's just, just, just, just loon. Yeah. What's your problem? So he was proud. He's great. Yeah. Yeah. Browl beating everybody and he was walking around with fucking stinky cheese in his pockets and he was smearing stinky cheese on people and he'd hug you.

He'd be like, I don't give me a hug. Give me a hug. And he would like, you know, he's stinking and who pushed back the hardest? Who said, get the fuck off me? Who put I don't know that anybody did. that was the thing is that it was so such a fucking weird assault that I think people just you were so kind of stuck in there in the headlights that you couldn't really tell them the fuck off we're just like okay okay I'll give you a hug nobody really told him the fuck off because it was just sort of you know it's just occupied the whole fucking room whatever you're going on, especially that character. And then sometimes Andy Kaufman, who people don't know is just sort of quiet, more

demure, right? Yeah, that was more manageable. That that, yeah, it was interesting. I mean, it was, it was fun. It was challenging, you know, but it was, got talked about. Yeah, for sure. It did. Yeah.

And sometimes you'd wonder like guys do that and is it just building a kind of mystique around what you're doing? Is it like does it make you more mysterious, some more interesting? Sometimes if you do that, I don't. Yeah, does it feel it works for them? Yeah, I remember Rob Williams telling me that the real Andy Kaufman at a given point would wear his wrestling outfit. You could tell he was wearing it underneath his clothes. He's just hanging out, walking around. Just hanging out. Yeah. I don't know, he was amazing.

The stuff he did was really amazing. Really, yeah, really, really. Anti-comedy, yeah. It's worked on a lot of crazy levels. Yeah, and I remember thinking, realizing watching so much of that stuff with him, and I was like, he does the shit that you do alone in your room

that you would never do in front of anybody else. He does that in front of other people. You know what I mean? Like the mighty mouse thing in shit. I'm like, or just like, I'm just gonna read fucking breakatch me endlessly. And it's like the thing you just aren't gonna do, he just would do, you know, it's like the thing that's gonna

not work that's gonna bomb or not be fun. or not The word performance art in a way more than comedy when you're kind of now, you know, I would say that because you're not Eliciting Big laughs all the time you're getting people that are like really love it really love it And then the people that don't go I'm waiting for the payoff and it's not there sometimes Yeah, I did a Sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, not there sometimes. I did a, so I go ahead. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, I did a showtime special.

I was really bad. It was in the early 80s. I got a two minute spot on it. It was just a, and Andy was on there and I was outside and they go, Andy's still on. He'd brought a washer and dryer on the stage and he just did his laundry. He did his laundry.

Oh, I said, when do we go for the good nights? He goes, he's on the dry cycle. He's got seven more minutes. I go, what's amazing. Yeah. And nobody really does anything like that anymore. I mean, like, nobody does stuff like that. That's calculated.

I mean, if somebody does something like that, it's gonna to be more the jokes they're telling are going to be so off. Even no one would come to who is a little off-brand is there's payoffs and there's this now or it's it's a put on, but it's not like that wrestling thing where you're waiting. Yeah. No, it's first for the past. This is not funny. Yeah. I mean, genuinely not funny. It's like and but which is just amazing. And you think there's gonna be a big thing

at the end where you go, oh, he did all this because blank. Yeah. And yeah, right, exactly nothing. I do think he really got off on the theatrical idea that he's insulting the audience. You know, they're in the South, they're with the ring and go, you guys are bunching, hey, see, and they go boo,

they take him so seriously. Yeah, somehow I must have enjoyed that part of it. Yeah, definitely. There was some kind of really aggressive element to it. I guess what's his name? You know, Borat. Borat did that guy, you know. He does that kind of thing too.

Sasha, yeah, I don't understand. I'd say he's probably closer to that. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. Cause he did that down there and he'd fight and he got naked or something. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like it. I'm not my willhouse to come from cruelty. To aggressive to like kind of aggressive. Well, you get these these these fat boys in a camper and you they're drinking and you sort of humiliate them and it affects their life, you know stuff like that. But I have an option question. Yes. Yeah. And then we'll talk about sideways as per your.

No, but that's interesting. The humiliation thing is interesting to me. But I want to talk about that too, just because I think that's interesting because I don't like it. Let's talk about it. Yeah. I also feel like a lot of comics. I don't go see a lasari day. I do want to I do want to talk about that too, just because I think that's interesting because I don't like it. You talk about it Yeah, I also feel like a lot of comics I I don't go see a lasari. I do want to I do want to hear what you're going to go to sideways But I want to hear the yeah, but I was like I just I also don't love I'm not a stand-up guy I've never done it and I never would have the balls to do it and I don't even go see it that much But I went not too long ago to watch a bunch of people do it and so much of the humor was just self-humiliation.

It was too much self-humiliation. It was all just like, I'm disgusting. Nobody wants to fuck me, nobody wants to, and I just kind of actually didn't find it funny after a while. Is that my show? That's just this really kind of like relentlessly like self-wipping kind of humor.

A lot of it was like that. Yeah, social media, beg whipping kind of humor. A lot of it was like that. Yeah, social media, Begat kind of exposing everything. And then the idea, the comedians up there and like, you know, I was masturbating in front of my cat today. It's got this album on the mic stand, you know? And self-flagulation and criticism and honesty.

And I'm so depressed and I have so much anxiety and I can't get laid. Yeah, yeah. Which to a certain extent is fine, but then when it's just the whole thing and it was like one person after another like this and I just you know part of it Paul might be that There is there is sort of wave of that and there's a wave of less targets out there because of cancellation. Uh-huh. So they become the target. Not to interesting. I've even made fun of myself, but I always have just a little bit. You do, but it doesn't feel like the same thing. It doesn't feel the same.

No, because it's funny, all of a sudden. But I don't make it my whole theme of like, I'm the biggest fucking loser in the world. Yeah. I have a lot of problems. I take a lot of pills. I get, I get kind of what you're saying. But I know that targets are going away and people say, oh, they shouldn't and you can do whatever you want, but you really can't. You can do some of it. And if you have a bit, it has to be so bulletproof from every angle where you can't get trouble for it.

If it's a risky bit, if it's race, if it's this, if that, you better be careful because you're going to get somebody mad. And they, if they get mad and they make us think about it, then you're suddenly backpedaling and you're like, it's just comedy, but that doesn't always get you out of it. My goal maybe would be similar if you and it to stand up all was that, and I'll go back to this all the time because being in the Volkswagen Bug, maybe your friends are a little stoned. And I'm doing an impression of the water pool coach and I'm doing it redundantly and exaggerated,

winding it, winding it, winding it, and they're helpless. So that still is where my favorite place to get with an audience is I'm going to do Fauci for 10 minutes. And I'm gonna go further and further. We gave you the boosters, but they didn't walk, you know, so that the rhythm of the language, the silliness of the exaggeration becomes this stew of laughter. So that's always the goal for me. So I don't have to worry about cancel cold. But I do love the

I love something I love something you do, which is just the little, the little like one line, one gesture impersonation is really funny. The sort of like, like Michael Cain with his, with his coloring, whatever I can. Oh my God. You know about that. Well, that was just out of bored of my thought. I'll do micro impressions. Like I would do the great Sean Connery. I go, this is great, Lake Great Sean Connery gets back as asked whether he enjoyed his vacation in Spain. Right. Yeah. That's it. That's just endlessly. That does it for me. Christopher walk and season amazing magic trick. Wow. Let's see. That does it for me. That's good for me. And then Michael Cain and kindergarten, I'd love to eat past. I doubt that I

want, but I love to eat things in a classroom. So I don't know what you call it, but in the classroom, the text is one thing, but then the musicality of the rhythms, yeah, to to to still to just one sound is fun for me fun something in your brain and the listeners brain that Yeah, there's some sort of thing that the fact that you heard that bit anyway Let's go sideways side ways is a movie that I visit regularly my wife and I saw it within the last year And we think it's just a very special movie like like a like a your character in that is so I know it's so it's heartbreaking and it's terrible and your your co star Hey Tom church Tom church. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you guys were so great together. It's really funny. He's a really

funny guy. I think you know guys like that. And the two of you guys like that. And I do know a guy like that. And you were put in this weird position of being with him. And you're also depressed. And he's living the high life. And he's about to be married. And he's doing all the shit you wouldn't do. Right. And right. And I love my carefree friends that have no worries of or any conscience about anything. Yeah. And it makes me feel like a stiff because you sort of think a little more straight, not totally, but you go, really like you're totally cool with all this shit you're doing. Yes. Well, but that's the thing that I think is kind of interesting about that movie. Is that in a

way, though, he's almost more fucked up than the guy I play. And in a way, he's almost in the darker, more fucked up place. Sure. Yeah. And then even the guy I'm playing, which I also think is interesting in that movie that you really kind of suddenly see this. He's brighter in the darker, more fucked up place. And then even the guy I'm playing, which I think is interesting in that movie that you really kind of suddenly see this moment kind of. He's brighter about it, but he's covering it because it's like, so like, hey, we're having a great time. Why can't you be fun? He's going to go get married and live in that house with the father who's going to be an asshole and go and just kind of cut himself up and like, it's kind of depressing.

And actually, my guy in the end, he's got possibilities in his life and stuff. So it's interesting. He's more real. Yeah, the desperate to have it. We're going to have so much fun. Like for people I've seen it go see it. It's two guys go go to the wine country. And one guy is shy and is brokenhearted and his friends trying to get him laid. And you're scenes of the woman that you like are so funny and heartbreaking of finding a break. Yeah, who was the actress? I'm glad you like it. Virginia Madison.

Virginia Madison. Yes. You were, that was such a great pairing. She's great. Yeah, the script was really great. It's one of those things. The gentleman who did that, it also did descendants, right? So this is the, he did the descendants.

He did election. He did a, Nebraska about Schmidt. He did Alexander pain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's brilliant because descendants is another brilliant film. It's a great movie. I actually think that's his best movie. I really liked it. I've seen that at least five times. I think George Clooney at the end saying goodbye to his wife is one of the best pieces of acting I've ever seen. I agree. I think he's really great. Yeah. I did another movie with that guy that comes out in the fall without Alexander Payne a movie called The Holdovers that comes out in the fall.

Yeah. And what's it? What's the what's about a kid and get some, it's about what's that? Log line, please. Log line, I'm trying to think it's about a kid at a prep school, at a boarding school in the 70s. Yeah. And he gets, for Christmas vacation, he gets, he's the only kid who doesn't have anywhere to go at Christmas vacation. He has to stay at the school because his parents neglect him and don't care. And so the only people at the school are the woman who runs the cafeteria and the guy that the faculty member who's been assigned

to look after the kid who's this fucking ass that nobody can stand. And that's the guy I called him saying is this kid. It's about the kid. The kid is a kid. No, he's playing the. I'm playing the teacher, the history teacher has to look after the kid. the kid is, oh, I thought you were playing the kid. They're no, no, no, no, no, he's playing the, I'm playing the teacher, the history teacher has to look after the kid. And that's what it's about. And it's a nice, are you passive aggressive toward him or overtly mean or aggressive towards him? I'm a aggressive towards him. Yeah, he's kind of a passive aggressive kid.

And I'm aggressive aggressive. So do you just go for the comedy or do you think like, why is this guy so damaged? He's just going to beat up. I mean, it's like, I feel like the comedy or do you think like, why is this guy so damaged that he's just going to beat up? Yeah. I mean, it's like, I feel like the comedy's there kind of anyway, because this guy's such a fuck up and so bizarre. And there's a, I have a weird physical thing that's really bizarre. And so it's, it's, it's, I mean, I don't, I don't think I'm that funny.

So it's like, I just, I just try to just play the thing as it's supposed to be. You know, it's like, that's the only way I feel like I can. I think those well-written things, well-directed things, they know what they're doing and you just, you have to wait in the middle of the movie. I mean, I don't laugh at comedies as much because I know how the rabbit gets out of the hat. It's very rare for me to get surprised,

but when a dramatic actor, I like that term, I do like that. Yeah, we see all of them doing that, but sometimes a movie will hit you know, like Tropic Thunder and stuff. There's one where you're like, are the first hangover like, you know, there's a bunch, but most of the time I go to dramas

and I laugh harder at a drama. How much did grownups do domestic? Dana, was it under over 200 million? Let's look at a clip. What it was was. No, it was the foreign box up. What did you do overseas? Did it go overseas, depressed, and one city, one country every night.

Yeah, he probably done that junket. It's kind of tough. But, do people in particular countries really take to that, well, I don't want to say I'm huge in Bulgaria, but I can't step foot. Adam has a big, big, big, huge reach. You know, because of Netflix, it helps. But, you know, those, I think if they finally went on from TBS to Netflix, they've grown up some movies, but it's just fun

I bring those up. I don't know why we can talk about police academy for but I also have Billions has billions made billions. That's my question. I think it did do well for the for the network I think it's it possible syndication it will I'm sure people love that all over the world people love that show in fairness I watched billions The first one yesterday, right? So I'm not caught up on all 900 That's okay. I at least I wanted to know what this bullshit is all about no offense So I said

I hear Criticize my chuck roads. No, I'm saying. I hear only good things. Criticize my chuck roads. No, I'm kidding. I only hear good things about billions. So I go, I haven't seen it. I knew Mal and Akram in a little bit in the old days. So I said, let me just see this. And very cool, very gripping.

And your wife at the end stepping on you. I go, I'm in on all these different angles. So I really did love it. No bullshit. And it was just fun to see. And now I feel like I'm missing out because there's so much catching up. There's so much catching up. That's why I have a hard time watching anything. Yeah.

A series. Even if you miss the beginning, knowing I'm going to have to stick with something, makes it hard for me to even start something if it's new. But then having to go back away, I just can't do it. I'm like, I just I'm like, there's too much. Somebody was, I've never seen a lot of these, like I've never seen Breaking Bad. I've never seen some of these other brands. Oh yeah, you miss it. I'd love to. I've never seen the sopranos.

I'd love to, but I'm like, I can't if I got just too much. Well, it's a 90 hour movie, basically. Yeah, that's true. No, true. It's too much. People like, you know, yesterday I had the day off. I did a 14 seasons of, you know, better call it all. I go, what?

Exactly. Set up 100 hours. Like, yeah, knocked it out. Yeah, I can't do that. You gotta see Ozarks, man. I gotta say, 75 hour movies. To 70 long. To 70 long.

But that, you know, the great thing is it's like a big bookstore, Billings is on the shelf. It's going to be available if you've human beings for a long, long time. Hopefully. It'll always be there. And, well, it's another one. I don't want to find, but it's another one

that your character is so, I don't know, rich. It's a intense guy damaged. He's so human and his relationship Maggie Siff and you have a beautiful thing. Yeah, she's great place my wife Yeah, she's great. Yeah, and it was so weird how close she was to the Damien Lewis character Yeah, that's the closest part about his character's wife is really I'm sure it is really gross. Yeah, it's like Yeah, but everything's so thought out because you go to that to that to

that and why you're seeing it play out. The big house. It gets really, it's a great back, David. It gets really like the plots get really elaborate and it's all like double cross, triple cross, quadruple cross. It just gets really, really elaborate. So it turns into that kind of thing. Yeah, I didn't know with that title.

I just didn't know really exactly what it would be about, but the intricacies just sort of hooked me on stuff that I liked, so I sort of got into it. It wasn't, you know, some you watch and people fall on over and you go, it just didn't click with me. I have that, yeah. I kind of clicked into it and thought, and I kind of am late, but. Well, the basic thing that they're following

is that, well, you came from money, your character, and he character needs a district attorney and the beginning and then it's really examining is there this other game that billionaires are playing like a they i was feel like i have a little bit of stocks but i know there's other people trading and selling or into these are black rock whatever they're just playing a different game we know that you know that is been there. You just follow them. You're just like, they're like, you're the cat mouse game between you and your new and your thing is interesting. And kind of who's worse and stuff like that is the billionaire worse than the politician is the politician worse.

Yeah. Why do we, why do we worship these billionaires when really most of them are just assholes? And it's like, you know, and why isn't the politician a better person than he should? Well, I should question which billionaire and which politician would you like to have lunch with? I just, I turned into Larry King. I turned to Larry King. David, you could, I'll say you'll I'm a, I would like to answer me because he does Ketamine. He's so he has walk of chips and he's so,

I would say to you learn musk too, because of the space stuff and the sort of like the kind of whackiness of that stuff Yeah, probably politician that's I really I don't know that's a tough one scary. I don't want to know too much I don't really want to I don't know I really want to spend a holiday I'll be Well currently Bobby Kennedy junior. I know he a for a lot of the least kind of out there but i i find anyone who says and you know my my uncle jm j and my dad i mean bobby can't so then i just wanted here i just want to and i also find them just very interesting because he's he's

he's eccentric i would say i would say i might like to like over here of a meal he's having. I don't know if I want to have a meal with him, but I'd be definitely interested in the hearing because it's like, it gets pretty exactly. It sounds weird. He's got to work on that. He's got a really heard him talk with everybody says his voice is scratchy. He has a. He has this very.

He'll make his rigidity on his vocal cords. He has a very, very tight voice, but you get used to it. It's got that. And is that, but that's, is that like a psychosomatic thing? Is that like a, is that like a psychological thing? I think stonia is a real, I have a brother who has it, just the, he has no control over his grip in one hand. Interesting.

It did he overstrain it or something and then it happens or like, I think it's a's I think it's a break starts in the brain, but I'm not sure if it there's a symbiotic between or some reason you'd be predisposed, you know, I know a lot about science and medicine. So yeah, I'm good with corn. You should get on TikTok. You know, okay, there we go. Wait, I have a question. I know, I know we got to let this guy go. I don't ever, I don should get on TikTok. Yeah. Okay. There we go. Wait, I have a question. I know we got to let this guy go. I don't ever, I don't ever want this.

You'll be sad. Yeah. I'm loving Paul. Can we hang out? Do you live in New York? This is. I do live in New York. I love Brooklyn.

Yeah. No, but I go there all the time. I know where time square is, but yeah, you're so much. We can meet in time square then. We can meet at the Ben again. That's a good idea. That's a good idea. Your father, I have this question, Dana.

Here we go. Because interestingly enough, when he was, I'm not reading this, yes I am. When he was commissioner, he is one of the band-peat roles, right? For Betty, how interesting that he was there for six months, was it? I don't even know if he was there for that long. I mean, I think it was really brief. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. And now these days when gambling is so much a part of it's hard to stop it, it's like a damn break. I mean, it's like now, it's just like I know. Getting caught for gambling, but they're sponsored by draft games. Is that true?

Is that, I don't even know. I think is that true. Now it's like gambling. They're like partners with NFL and stuff, but you're not allowed to do it. Crazy. So it's getting very muddy. Super muddy.

Super crazy. I didn't know Pete Rose is grinding his teeth. Yeah, a problem. Oh yeah. Because Pete Rose, that whole thing, because my grandma's from Cincinnati, so is my mom. Oh really? So they were in love with him.

Sure. Well, the idea where you would bet on the game and then? They were in love with him. Sure. I never knew. I never knew. You would bet on the game and then you would perform in a way to win money. That was the problem, right? You would bond in the tent going for a single. So if you've been on your own, every time I'm just going to put on your own game is different than betting on other games. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I guess it goes back to the sort of scandal. The reason it's often reds white socks white socks, right? Yeah, and it was say they were paid by mobsters to throw the game. I mean, it was like, yeah, so I guess that's why it's

particularly was particularly like the worst thing. Any part of you miss mobsters in a way just some about a mobster. Hey, that there are mobsters anymore. I think they're mobsters, but they're, they're well dressed at five stars. Yeah, I guess so. They're all like, yeah, they're around you. I do a little bit. I do a little bit. I kind of do miss that. Have you played a mobster? I'm not really, not really. Now, and it's funny because I am Italian America. Oh, yeah. And when I first got to New York, they would send me out on things just because, you know, you get, you've, you've, you've met, you get to New York and you get an ancient and they're like, your Italian will just send this in and this is what you'd be good. Yeah. So I was constantly getting sent out for these things where I'd go in the waiting room. It was all these like 300 pound fucking guys from the other guys who were on

sopranos eventually it was all these guys and they're all just around and they're all just like and I'm like and I'm like kind of sitting there just like just as the Yale drama I'm like yes I from the Yale School of Drama and they're all just and I'm like I'm

never gonna get these fucking parts I'm like I'm like I'm never gonna get these fucking parts. I'm gonna play that. Do they have you go ahead but I but I I want it and I would never gonna get these fucking parts. Have that. Play that. Do they have it? Go ahead. But I want it, and I would go in on things sometimes. I remember going in on a thing, and it was for like a cop or something, and the woman kept saying to me, can you make it more Italian?

Can you be more Italian? And I was like, I am Italian. And so I would keep doing it. And then I realized what she wanted, what she wanted me to be like, ooh. General. Kind of stuff. And so I did that, but I still she wanted me to be like, ooh, shit, I don't kind of stuff. And so I did that, but I still, let me hear a pro.

You mean like a new Italian guy, like that guy. Yo, what a kind of like you, what would you do? You know, you want to show, you walk him, you want to walk him before your Tony, kind of shit, all that sort of stuff. Can you talk about that guy?

I have some more because I love that guy. Let me ask you a question. Hey guy, hey, Ruffoy, look at it. Oh, those old those kind of guys, like this, I love that shit, but I'm not going to do that. I want to go. You could maybe now play an older. I could maybe now play kind of the older guy who's sort of sitting around playing dominoes.

You know, he's got like the card table on the street. Everyone fears him. He's like kind of a Don and retire. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I could play. Yeah. That guy is kind of like my sausage and peppers. Where's my

sausage? It's a little bit of a region's film and creep it in that just a little was my sausage. I need it over here. You know, the artist, the God is the best sausage of pepper. I haven't had Tom broke on. He would have been. He would have been sort of as a kind of Irish. The Italian if you ever do one again, you add the you add to know at the end because I had a friend who go, hey, he go, hey, this is good. Bust a no. Rather than that's good.

That's a good. That's a good trick. I knew a guy, I knew a guy who would always say, you'd ask him something and you'd say, like, Hey, that's a really great car. He'd go watch this. I got that car. He'd say, watch this before he said anything. Yeah.

He would always say, watch this. He'd go like, you'd say, like, Oh, this is, this pizza is so good. He'd go say watch this before he said anything. Yeah, he would say, you would always say watch this and go like you'd say like, oh, this is just a speech is so good to go watch this. This is the best pizza I've ever had. I know guy when it says it says a guy says or he says he goes, he stands here. He stands here. What are you doing over there? And I said, he stands here. He's what the fuck is going on. Yeah, what the fuck's going on? I go, I don't know what's going on. Okay, come tell me, he's dead. He says what's my shit, what's my shoes?

Where's my fucking shoes? Yeah, that's all those. I did see, an Italian movie the other day and it was like a low-rent one. And I was like, I think I'm finally tired of like, the beaten down Italian wife and the guy and the wife feeder coming in. We're Frankie.

How'd you doing school? Like is it the same shit over and over? I'm tired. I'm with you. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it.

I'm tired of it. What is that? Oh, the light. I just got a lot of time. You want some of this? You want some of this? Yeah, yeah. The baby's crying.

Hey, Paul, would you ever like to do prosthetics in an accent? I've done prosthetics. Which movie? I really like it. I did the plan. I did a plan of the apes movie where I was almost totally covered in prosthetics. And I was an orangutan. I didn't want to offend.

They made you a fucking orangutan. I probably, I was pissed off because I wanted to be a gorilla. And I was going to be an albino gorilla. And then they ditched that idea. I was going to pink eyes and I was going to be an albino gorilla. And then they ditched that idea because it was too expensive. It's a good a ranger thing. It's a good a ranger thing.

It's a good a ranger thing. I got a thing. I was a ranger thing. I was afraid of the strip club. You were a ranger tank, but you didn't get nominated for that. I'm not worried. So I did that. And actually in man club. Yeah, you were ringeting, but you didn't get nominated for that. But so I did that. And actually in, in, in man on the moon, I did, oh yeah, lift and briefly, and one part of it.

But I've done it and other things too. I wore a lot of them in John Adams. But Gary Oldman in Churchill, what about you? That would be great, but he was completely, almost completely different. So John Adams had prosthetics on what, what, what, I think I've got older as a kid. As a age, yeah, you got older.

And I think I've done it and other things. I can't remember now, but I've done it. Yeah, I do like it. I really like it. I really like doing it. Hey, watch this. He really likes doing it. You watch this. He likes to watch this. He likes to watch this. He's got a fine rubber nose on. He got you got you going in. Hey, watch this. You wearing a, yeah, he got you standing on a fucking nose on. Right. Yeah, I love it. I would love to do something. I mean, it'll never happen. I don't think that I love the play. Yeah, I would love to do something. I mean, it'll never happen. I don't think that I'll have to do prosthetics and just be invisible and then and then just get ready for my Oscar. Right. Right. Hey, you just put a nose on your halfway there. Or, you know,

I can actually just a nose can really make you look different. It's crazy. Yeah, it was just a nose. Nicole Kidman for, uh a actually, for Junior Wolf. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See, I know movies. You didn't think I know movies.

I'm bringing up from the cold fucking to get standing here. Watch this. Virginia Wolf. Watch this. Virginia. Go.

You know, it was great. You know, he stands here. You know, Paul, do you mean he stands here? He goes over there. He stands here. He stands to make no sense. What about not for nothing? That drives me crazy. Not for nothing's dancing. He goes. He's dancing. He's dancing made no sense. What about not for nothing? That drives me crazy.

Not for nothing's a good one. So not for that's a good one. Yeah, let's let Paul go. He's been very good. Paul, chin wig. Yes sir. It's a new podcast but not a couple months. Thank you.

Hey, chin wig. That's a good show. No? Yes it is. It's all about supernatural ghosts. I'll just do this. If somebody, you have this, I think 30 coins coming out on HBO match. That's on HBO Max. And you play a century cookie. Billionaire. I play a crazy cult leader billionaire. So all your cars now have a billionaire. And now you've got Carrie Stolve. He's your new kind of billionaire. Yep. Yep. So 30 coins on HBO Max. He's got the podcast, chinwagging. Of course, billionaire. When does

Millions is on in August, I think the last season. And then the school hold over. The holdover is holdover. It's like Thanksgiving or something. Let me tell you something. You got more pots than a fucking auto factory. Not for nothing, the film is gonna show up in a fall. You got more roles than a bakery. So I see you.

I'm happy. Right, watch this. Watch this. Anyway, thanks Paul. Thanks guys, I really appreciate it. We enjoyed it. It was awesome. Thank you very much, guys.

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