Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Rainn Wilson Is Out Of Hot “Office” Takes

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Dana and David welcome Rainn Wilson who dishes stories from The Office, gives the scoop on his new movie Code 3, and stages a much-needed hair-intervention for the hosts. He also recounts a live taping of Just Shoot Me (starring David), then unloads blazing hot takes including one on the DMV. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Sit down. Passing your seatbelt. Here's the deal. It was front page like, Rain Wilson, the office was racist, exclamation point, giant clickbait kind of thing. I baited and I clicked. You went for it. Oh, yeah. I said a war?

Feel the rain on your pod. Rain Wilson tomorrow. That's a song. Bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum. rain Wilson rain I'm doing I'm doing the police oh don't let it rain I actually made a pun when our guest rain Wilson who was a blast came into the studio I can't remember I said let it rain or I don't know he's heard it all you know we try to give him some curveballs but he's heard it all so we had him in studio which is rare we have a couple coming up in studio yeah we had fun with rain good dude we

talked about Dwight's haircut on the office. And a lot of office stuff and how they got made and what the rocket ship that he got on with that. Yeah, we, and his career, where he came from, you know, it's really an interesting story. It always is. Always is. We didn't focus on the office. That was actually, we sort of came, swung back to that.

But he's got a lot of different things talk about. We won't spoil it. We had a great. Code three, a movie that's in theaters. And that'll be, you know, it's in movies now, I believe. It's in movies now. It's a movie now. And it'll be in theaters when it's a movie then.

So, Code 3, Rain Wilson, and here he is. This is no pressure. You can eat. You can do whatever you are. I'm not going to eat in a podcast. We have no plan and no ideas. Yeah. No plan, huh?

Oh, whoa. Is that what they said? No plan? NBC, Dwight, spin-off axed. Let's start with that one. Did you say axed? Well, yeah, because... It was axed.

Oh, okay. Was there a one? Well, they... There was a planned one. It was a backdoor pilot. We'll get into it. It's delicious. Oh, good.

Can we bury anybody? Young Seahawks fan. You got any Warren Littlefield stuff or... Do you know Warren Littlefield? No. I don't know if he's... I don't think I ever met. Was he before?

He was gone. Yeah, he was gone at that moment. Yeah. He wooed me to do the Letterman thing and gave me a poster or the Capitol records meet the Beatles he got it from sign signed signed you weren't ready for that this fast uh wow rain is stunned now i met with brandon tartar sauce who was before him do you remember brandon tardicose it could have been tariff i think it was tarcoff but it could have been we had uh jeff zucker was our was our right right right right then he left and then there was the other

guy and i can't remember his name but he had red hair and he helped produce six feet under. So I should know his name. Did anybody kind of get out in front of the office once it became a smash and kind of like, well, you know, it was my idea. There was a guy Kevin Riley who's still out there. Yeah, like Kevin Riley. And he was the champion. And he, I mean, he single-handedly kept our show on the air when no one believed in it. I don't know why, but he just, he's the one who like squirled away some money for, oh, we'll do five or six episodes here and we'll do a two or three. and I got you money for one more script and like...

Oh, good. He was like doing the willing... Did he get back end? No, because there's studio executives. I know, I was hoping because he's the... Sounds like the hero is this. Yeah, do you even know how this works? No, did...

Kevin Riley worked at Brillstein forever. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah, he's a nice guy. He's worked on managers for a while. Yeah. He was an exact... His managers become executives.

Right. It's very... Like Brad Gray. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a story. That is exactly. Oh, do you have stories there? You lit up like a little Christmas tree.

Too many stories. Yeah, go ahead. Too many stories. No, he was my manager. Oh, he was. Okay. Yeah. It was just the, in a general sense.

Go ahead. Once the person who's representing you also becomes a producer on the show, then there's just an intrinsic conflict of interest. It's like, you know, the first. Fox saying, I could go out the headhouse. I mean, come on, man. You're not going to eat them, are you? But that's part of Hollywood.

The idea is that they're going to also represent your best interests and produce the show. Right. There's just like, I'll give, do I give this money to the client or I give it to myself? You know, it's a little tricky. Let's put it that way. Showbiz. We can go deep into that. Muddy, murky.

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I do read out something. What's your biggest sponsor? Our biggest sponsor for Soul Boom is this wonderful nonprofit called Fetzer. Oh, we don't have that. Yeah, and they've been amazing because, like, the conversations that we're having about, like, spirituality and mental health. and kind of making the world a better place and blah, blah, blah. Like, that's, it's like their whole thing. And they're like, they found Soul Boom.

And they're like, oh, my God, this is, we love, we want to support this. That's good. What's their product? There's no product. They're just this nonprofit family foundation. Nonprofit? Where do they get the money to pay you? From a dead rich guy who set up a foundation.

You sure he's dead? He used to own the Detroit Tigers. I think his name is Fetzer, like Wally Fetzer. or, I don't know, Frankie Fetzer or something. We have a lot of for-profits that are investing that put ads on, right? Miandis, let me guess.

Meandes, quince. Oh, meandes? I don't think we have Mi-Undi. We've done quints. We've done quints. Yeah, we've done quints. We have five-hour energy. Yeah. Six-hour energy.

Seven-and-a-half-hour energy. Okay. Yeah. That's kind of hush-hush. I have no energy.com. Does donations. Right. There's one called wake, me,

to fuck up. Yeah. Our production coming for this is fly by to the seat of our pants. Yeah. Dot com. You guys should get sponsored by supercuts because you both need haircuts. No. I agree.

Can I tell you my problem? Yeah. Please. Yes. I don't have great hair. I'm not going to say I don't. You have a full luxury as hot of hair. There's a lot of backstory to this whole thing.

This is two-day hair. Don't tell anyone. but I've moved to Central California The woman who cuts my hair is very good Chris Rios lives down here So I go periods of time where I don't get a haircut But I agree with your premise

That we both need haircuts, David? Celebrities, they're just like us They have hair problems You should have a hair product called Who'll Stop the Rain And it should be just some sort of hair problem. I don't know if you should. Is this a comedy podcast?

I don't know. I have a question for you. Don't look at the camera when you said. He's going straight to the lens. He is. That's genius. The old office move. He did it and it works.

He went, he did office office. That's a, I'm going to ask myself some questions. Rain, um, what's going on? What's going on these days? Well, I'm, uh, promoting this new movie, Code 3 that no one is going to see, but eventually they'll, they'll watch us. on streaming and um what was it like being what was it like being out there we will get we're getting in that we're just we're just why don't we hit a little code three yeah let's hit some let's hit some

we don't have to do that no but i like to do it up front these are good is this your handwriting i like i think in bubbles are you more than here is a one year i need just little i can picture that page in my head you know that's why there's a lot of there's a lot of good questions on I know. Maybe we should, we'll get to one of them. Maybe you should ask one. Well, let's hit. Where's my camera?

I would love to hear more about Chris Rios, your hair dress. And you remember that? That's great. And when you get down from Central California down to see Chris Rios for your hair cut, do you usually fly or drive or how does that work? I'm not good vertical. I'm not good vertical. I drive.

And I drive by where you live, which will stay undisclose. It's Ventura County. I say that. It's a vast county. Yeah. But I drive by and I do honk and I yell, who'll stop the rain? And I've never heard a response.

When you're on the office, I have some hard-hitting questions. Have you met Steve Carell? What's his net worth at this point? Ballpark. It's vast. And he would hate that question. He really would.

Because he's very Midwestern. Yes. Very sweet. But can we talk about Code 3 for just a minute? I want to get it in and then get it at the end. We'll get in and out of Code 3. But let's do. a quick code three yeah code three yes code three is the greatest movie ever made yeah um

it actually is a quite good movie and we've got 97% on rotten tomatoes right now from the audiences i have that total from all 97% we've got point three percent for this podcast yeah yeah but it's about um it's about 24 hours from hell and the life of these burnt out paramedics It's very funny. Little Royal Howie co-stars. It's kind of looking at the underbelly, underbelly of like the American health care system, but it's also a lot of fun and kind of a popcorn fun movie.

And yeah, I'm really happy with it. So it's all one day. I kind of like that. Essentially, it's like, it's kind of like the pit. Like it's all just like really condensed. One last, it's my last shift. And it's this newcomer played by. Amy Carrero it's her first shift and they kind of dovetail and you're driving around

driving around LA in the middle of the night and answering some crazy calls and trying to figure out the meaning of life along the way can I tell you a true true quick 30 second story about a paramedic and I wonder if this kind of sensibility is in your movie so he's a paramedic and he said him and his partner they would go to these scenes or someone's lost a later You know, it's horrific. And then when they would leave for themselves, they would put on Queen's song, another one bites the dust,

just to alleviate the stress. For whatever reason, another one bites the dust. You know, I don't, so is there stuff like that? How do paramedics deal with that in your movie? The heaviness of it, the stress of it, in the intensity. Well, that's what I really learned doing this movie was like this population, and we got to hang out.

with them, train with them. We did a ride along in South Central with the fire department. Like, they're so colossally burned out. So much is asked of them. They're so underpaid. You can't even believe. Like literally, what do they make? They're literally making somewhere like in the $20, $25 an hour, ultimately.

And it's like kind of Starbucks rate, essentially. They go into dangerous situations too. Absolutely. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. They get shot at. They get vomited on, they get needle sticks, they get blood.

I mean, and, you know, they're going to some really dangerous neighborhoods. And patients get mad at them, doctors get mad at them, the cops get mad at them. They're under, I mean, these are real American heroes, but going to another one bites the dust, they have a gallows humor, man. They have a dark, dark humor, which you've got to have to survive. Well, it must be so heavy. intense and traumatic just to be on that. And you're watching it every day in people in pain. Also, a lot of people fight back and they're getting punched. You get punched. You get drunk people. And it's like, I see them on cop shows. Like, oh, these guys are got the

roughest job. They really do. But it sounds fun. I mean, it just sounds like a fun thing to do 24 hours or whatever, a tight amount of time. Your last day, her first day. And Nilell is very funny. And that's just something I haven't seen a lot. So that's a good area. Yeah. Yeah. Audiences are really are really digging it when you know yeah so thanks try not to smile yeah he likes it what else day on i've heard your i've heard i've read some things you're great in the movie is what i read i haven't seen the movie but okay so that's kind of cool yeah and what you know how to do this i you know i do good acting yeah that's you got that Caffeine just got a flavor upgrade.

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Galaxy Quest was really funny. I don't know if everyone understands how funny that was. You saw it? You got to be in that and you read it and said this thing's funny. You can tell right away. This was crazy because I did nothing but theater in New York for like 10 years. And I came out to L.A. in 1999. And for some reason, I got cast in two movies in the same summer.

Galaxy Quest and Almost Famous. Those are my first two movies. Two of like the greatest movies ever made. I had small roles in them, but I was like, oh, my God, I'm set. I'm going to be a movie star. And I promptly, like, didn't work for a year and a half. What did you do when you weren't working for an hour and a half? Did you just had enough money, save, scrambles, get on account?

How poor were you? You know, I was so, you know what I did? Mm-hmm. I'm so glad you asked that question because my friend was teaching acting classes in Hollywood at, like, the world's worst acting studio. And it was all acting students from, like, all over the world. Because people don't know this in Hollywood. Like, people come.

from Sweden and Korea and Mongolia and, you know, Pakistan to go be actors like on American TV shows. They have very thick accents. God bless them. And but they take acting classes. And so I taught acting at literally Hollywood and Vine in a studio. And they, they would hand out, I didn't get to choose the scenes. They would do scenes from American TV shows to foreign students.

So I remember directing this scene. not even making this up. I'm not even making this up. I directed a scene from Cagney and Lacey starring a woman, a Japanese woman, and a Swedish woman. Please act with that. Playing Cagney and Lacey. I'm not going to do the Japanese. But you could do the Swedish. So not. We can imagine that. Yeah. Why is the Swedish not offensive? Yeah, because Northern Europeans. I don't know. That's what my time. It's how works. Do the Japanese. Japanese one day. I'm Norwegian. I get to make fun of Scandinavians. I'm Norwegian too. She was like, oh, O'Kagney, you embarrassed me in front of the whole, you know, in front of the whole department and, you know, Lucas is so mad at me, I don't know what to do.

And then the other person responds and then trying to keep a straight face to give them like, what's your intention? They're trying so hard. And they're trying so hard and they want to be discovered and they've come to Hollywood to follow. of their dream of being an actor and the second-rate studio. That's so funny. That was what I was doing to pay the bills after I had done Galaxy Quest.

Nancy, you have crossed so many lines today. I'm worried about you. I'm trying. I'm trying. I don't know. Is that a Norwegian or Swedish? That was good.

That was like Swedish chef. Swedish chef. It's a little bit of on the sneaking in there. Every time I do a European, Arnold slips. Arnold just covers all of Europe. But Arnold slips into a lot of things.

Yeah. Let's look at a clip. Let me tell you. Where's the maid? Let me tell you. He always asks, he's like trumping that way. Let me tell you something. I'm going to tell you something, but first let me ask you to let me tell you something.

Because I want you to let me tell you something. I'm going to ask you something that I'll tell you. Yeah, I'm going to tell you. And then I ask you again if I could tell you something. You guys, this is a front row seat to watch Dana Carvey do impressions. I'm three and a half feet away from him. This is a joy. I'm so tingly with happiness right now.

Oh, my God. That's so flattering. You're right to the camera. I love that you're, this is kind of your podcast. I love it. I mean, and it's great. Can you push in a little bit?

Is this the training from the office? Is this 4K? You can push in in post, right? 8K. Yeah, we'll take care of you. 8K? 8K. Oh, you can get right up in here. Oh, no, but they download it in 1080P.

Why do you think this mic is covering my neck? I'm not a fool. All my age is here. Because I'm Irish, Norwegian, and Scottish. I grew up in California. Do the math. Let me tell you something. I'm going to tell you what, this, if you listen to me now and listen to me, you're good.

Hear me now and believe me later. Yeah. Well, I'll do that all right. Because here's what I'm about to say. Are you ready? Here goes. I'm going to say this now. Sit down, passing your seatbelt.

Here's the deal. Here's a good trick when Arnold, I don't do really Arnold, but when they would ask about anything personal, he would answer his own answers because he's on camera so they can't use. And they go, well, now what happened with that made? He goes, this movie is action-packed. and then they go, what? And they go, he's only giving quotes they can use about the movie,

so he just never answers. No, the truth of Arnold in which my brother and I, I have three brothers, we have this catchphrase of with each other, like, what would Arnold do? Because he can't go negative. He literally can't go negative a bit like Trump, not to get in that. They can't, you know, it's always promoting, always. So he had a movie, the last action hero that didn't do too well,

and he's on NBC today or something, Matt Lauer, or whatever. So you'd had trouble with it. No, the truth is the people are loving the movie and all over the world the people enjoy. Yeah, but the box offer, yeah, everybody loves it and it's doing very well and all these things and this and that. So anyway, that's my Arnold section. No, it's a good way to promote because we'll be positive. Well, it's funny. I kind of, I still haven't learned my lesson.

I did a podcast in New York just a week or two ago. And the guy was very just smart, wonderful, nuanced, conversation. It's like, could you make the office in today's, you know, kind of more a PC landscape? And I, and I talked about it in a very kind of nuanced fashion, like, well, that's a tough one. You know, we had some episodes where, you know, we've got lead characters that are clueless, right? They can be racist. They can be sexist. And, you know, there's, you know, the episode where we, you know, marked on the, they marked on the, the Asian women to, like, tell them apart. There's stuff like that that's really like pushing the envelope, but that's

where there's a great source of comedy, blah, blah, blah. It was front page, like, Rayne Wilson, the office was racist, exclamation point, giant clickbait kind of thing. I baited and I clicked. You went for it. Oh, yeah. I said, what? Then he texted me about it.

I said, this fucking guy, we can't have it. What is that about? Cancel, cancel it. I go, cancel somebody involved. I don't know who, but let's start canceling. Cancel him. But whenever I talk about anything like that, because, you know, I don't know, I talk about anything like that.

we're sort of a neutral podcast. We're just trying to be friendly and make money. Yeah. And so, you know, the nuance is not a big money-making gig. Let's face it. Let's not let the viewers know. Yeah. No, it's not at all. They're like, where does he get those shoes, those sweats?

It's as well. But my point is the nuance of stuff, you strangler yourself into nuance and you feel like you almost said nothing. And then somebody somewhere pulls it out. it happens all the time. There was another one I did a couple years back where I talked about like, you know, I went through some really unhappy times

on the set of the office because of like, you know, I wanted to do more movies and I was just, I thought that I should have more opportunities and I was, you know, complaining a lot and I wish I hadn't been in that space and it was like,

Rain Wilson, miserable on the set of the office. Who is this guy writing? I could have written a better one. He hates him. But the producers like Trump and the Seahawks hat, they're going to do the same thing for your clips. And it's, listen, everyone, I was not miserable on the side of the office. I had some struggles with early fame and mental health.

And guess what? The office could kind of push a lot of buttons around race and sexism and issues in a way that would be trickier today could still be done and that I don't think the office is racist and I was happy as a clam on the side of the office. Thank you and good night. That was a great podcast.

Here's that headline. He still hates the office. He still. Rain Wilson tried to dodge a question on the wall but he was called out by him. I tell you, when I worked on just shooting me, oh my God, a couple people remember? Thank you. When I worked on a sitcom

and ER was going on around the same time. Someone quit ER and was making so much money and no one could believe it. Sherry Stringfellow. Yes. And everyone was like, how could you?

And she's like, I'm in a studio 25 hours a day because it's like a never-ending movie those shows. So she gets like a month and a half off in the summer and then they go right back in it and it's memorizing lines all day. The ER has got to be the hardest. Memorize, memorize.

And you have to memorize all that medical jargon. Yeah, and you got to go, hey, put the squeeze, you got ringers lactate over here. So that, Lactate. 10 Cs of Ringer's lactate. That was an emergency, that show.

So, anyway, she quit, and I kind of go, she may regret it later down the line, but I get, she needs a fucking breather. There's no mental days back then. There's no taking a break. It's just like grind, grind, grind, and the money means nothing. She's not even spending it.

She never sees it. It's just work, work. So maybe there's times on shows when you do get, like, when there's so many mouths to feed on the office, sometimes you have light shows. I remember Lovitz, well, all of us, let's say. When S&L, you'd have one sketch that week, sometimes none,

it's just a weird vibe in your head of like, am I going to get fired? Am I doing enough? Can I keep up with these people? Shouldn't, I thought I was funny in this, could they put me? And that's just constantly, it might be like that on your set too. Sure. Every set probably.

Yeah. But did anyone ever distort that with you? Like, David Spade's ungrateful. No. No. They will. That was, they will now that you said that. David Spade, miserable in the set of S&L.

But you, I think everyone is. I had, but you came before, you didn't get to see Danny because you were 2007. Wait, when did you host? 2007 or eight, something like that. I hosted like three times, sorry. You and I together could be in the five-timer club.

I did host in 2010. That was the last time early 11. But you didn't get to see him. I did not, yeah. Billy Hater, you know, Billy Hater was the, hater. I got to see Dane in action, though, because I was, I got on when he was on already then I got on, but you're right about those impressions.

Every time Danny goes out there was a score. Characters. People say, I'm not going to know, church lady. Issue number one, rainy, rainy rain time. Unhappy with the office, are we? Two raceth to continue. What do you think? More teeny tiny tunes on TV. That thing was exhausted.

to do. More than Trachy. But I had one, so I had a botched bypass in 1997, so, but I never had a heart attack. Everyone gets quiet. How is your heart attack? Look at me now. You know, it's a big difference. Are you okay?

That's what I say every 10 seconds. Hold on. So as far as... Show us the scars. So then I'm doing a movie. So it got us. It's very faint. I like, I like to, I'm sexy with it.

It never bothered me. So anyway, my heart's really good. My resting pulse is floating, whatever. So, but I was doing a goofy movie and the tabloids, they go, the tabloids are here and they think you're too exhausted and you can't do the movie. It's like three years later. So I said, well, let me call him. Let's call him. So I said, okay, so I call a National Enquirer guy and I go, I never had any heart problems. It was just a stent that needed to be, you know, and I'm totally fine. and I just had one bypass. So next day, National Choir, Dana Carvey has five open heart surgeries. And hates the office. It hates the office. Well, at the end, I didn't want to say that. I don't know why.

Says Rain Wilson. And I don't know why in those days. That's amazing that it would just be a bold-faced lot, just a lot. And then you're like, do you go to court, you know, that kind of thing. No, there was one time when I went to like, you know how the, did you guys ever do press in Canada and they have the much TV. It's their version of MTV or something. Yeah.

And I did some festival and introduced some bands and did some interviews and stuff and then what was it? Not in sync boys in the hood. Boys in the Hood? Boys in the Hall or something. One of those boy bands. Backstreet boys. Backstreet boys was there

I think. And then there was a gossip site that said like Rain Wilson had altercation with backstreet boys or something like i never even like met them and my post was called in this site and he's like i just needed a i needed a headline that's so great i like the honesty of that yeah he's just like i need it i need it i'm sorry money yeah anytime one time my mom got called and she goes oh they were wondering who you were dating and i go mom it was the national choir she was no it was american media it was a reporter and i go that's who owns the national

But they say that's a good slippery way to get it. But calling my mom in Arizona for anything about anything that would happen in your life. And then I go, Mom, just realize, I just don't do it. But they get your phone number. It's all so creepy. All so bad. Here's one. Maybe we can get a trend on this one.

Yeah, back to you, Dana. Is there any question that hasn't been asked of you yet around the office? Because I wouldn't even know where to start. I assume you've done so many interviews. Is there something we don't know? I need a banger. We need a fucking banger. The future of this podcast is resting on this.

You said it was mega. We make a lot of money, I'm telling you, but I could always make more. Go ahead. That's probably. That's a great question, and I don't have an answer for that. This is the question I had, but I know you've been asked this a million times. the Dwight hair. Yeah.

The origin of that. I stole it from Mackenzie Crook, who played Gareth on the British office. Ah. Because I read an article that he went to like a, like the shithole barber shop in like in Slough where it was set. And like got like the least flattering haircut for his head. It was probably the best hair on comic television. And I just lifted that from him. I'm like,

designed the worst possible haircut for me. I was not thinking about wearing that haircut for nine seasons and 200 episodes. And was there? Because I have an enormous for it. I do too. And so it's just revealing it like it's these little curtains. You know, it's like a little Broadway set.

Like you could do Oklahoma, perform it here with finger puppets. And, uh, yeah, that's a good. Yeah. Was there ever an episode where the girls were scheming to get you a new haircut. That would have been a good pitch. That would have been up on the wall. Did you ever refer to the hair just to work with us?

Was the hair referred to? Do you remember that, Dana? Oh, when he was on SNL? Yeah. Oh, nice. He was a writer with Conan and. Oh, I remember him and Connie coming right out of Harvard.

They look like they're 12. Do you remember any sketches that they might have wrote that you were in? I did a George Will. George Will. George Will. George Will, the conservative commentary? That's back when S&L was smart Because now it's like

Fart Police, you know what I mean? Is that a movie now? Did they do a spin-off? I asked my friends there They're already had Fart Police 3. Why don't you guys do Tucker Carlson, Senator John Kennedy They don't even do Bobby Kennedy

That's the Trump people But there's a lot of people to do But they're just like I'm not really into that anymore I don't know I mean, we do John Kennedy because we just think he's senator. Who was the writer that would always have the political stuff at the top of the show? Downey or Franklin?

Yeah. Those were the two twin people that I worked with with George Boyce senior on political stuff. It was Downy and Al Franken. And they would always, they would lead with it. Even if it wasn't, they knew it wasn't going to be the most popular sketch, they would just come out. Downey hated the idea of playing to the Yahoo's. and not laughing but yeh and frankin was uh you know really into politics so that all informed itself into it and i wanted to just go nah got that so the three of us together it worked

yeah they make the cake together yeah but as well you know i don't want to be a grumpy old cash member it's not the way it used to be so i there's a lot of great people there are funny and they do great sketches i mean so but is it the same no it has to evolve it has to evolve some come out as stars some are not enough and eventually leave and it's just such a well what's your hot take on it yeah go on s and l yeah i need a hot take i don't have a hot take on the officer i don't have any hot take i'm out of hot takes i really am rain wilson is out of hot takes i I went on the podcast the other day that just came out. Room temp takes.

I had my hot, my hottest hot take was that the DMV is actually really good at their job. And it's an actually really successful institution that monitors like 200 million drivers licenses, license tests, boats. And like, oh, boo-hoo, I had to wait 52 minutes in line. Yeah. Guess what, bitch? 200 million people. they're cycling through there and everything has kept track of

addresses, drivers, licenses, numbers, you know, boat things, bad photos. Like, it works like clockwork. It is, it should be that's going to be my next movie. Code DMV. Oh, that would be good. I've got my tooth.

Up. We've had a small injury. All right, I got you. It's having respect for these government institutions. You can't use it. That's too out of a take. We can't hear that. It's too much.

Yeah, it's too out there. Loving the DMV. Hmm. Do you have a good license? You don't have thoughts? You don't have thoughts on that? I thought's on the DMV. You want to disagree?

You want to push back? No, I don't want to fight you on this. Let's get into it. No. Firing line right now. Meet the press. Let's go. I'll get canceled.

My takes in the DMV. You got to bring a lot of stuff. Have you renewed a license recently at the DMV? Yeah. Did you just go once and it got renewed? Or did you have to go back a second time because you didn't have secondary proof of your address. I had to like retake my motorcycle written test or something like that. And it went great. I barely passed, but I did pass. And it was about an hour and 20 minutes of my day.

I want to get the temperature on what you're saying here. Would you ever go to a California Department of Motor Vehicles just to kind of hang out? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have a question. Another follow-up. There's a million questions. What's the difference between a real ID and your license go? It has a picture of a bear on it. And you can get on an airplane. That's what we need? You can get on an airplane with it.

I know, but is it good or better? Is it better than a license? Is it different? Is there some reason it's, is it just they want you to go in again? I think you have to show some stuff that proves that you're really an American citizen. Yes. Is that why you went through my camera? It has a 3D dick pick on the back.

The guy helped me at the DMV. That was his name, Dick Pick. I don't understand. Spelt with C. Kim Kardashian went and got to take her picture 22 times. She took her driver's license photo. How do you know that? Because it was on that episode.

They went there with a guy. Oh, it was a curve. And then they said, and she didn't like her picture, and she brought a ring light. Am I right, Heather? It's your guy, too. Oh, yeah. So we have a guy.

It's the guy that got me in the back to. We have a concierge guy. You have a concierge DMV guy? Yeah. You diva little bitches. Look at you. Well, I wasn't going to say that part. Walk in the goddamn DMV and stand in the fucking like, oh no, I have to take some photos.

No, but I have to, it takes a full minute. Cut to us after the podcast, and he's like, how would I, how do you think this podcast is? How is this going so far? Heather, carrying the ring light. One of my favorites, I barely controlled mayhem. I, I, because it, this is fun for me. You have some good questions down on there. Well, we haven't hit them yet, but they're there.

Well, we should talk about soul. boom your podcast the name of it I don't have to plug my stuff that's okay I like well okay I take that back soul boom is a podcast that I do well you have a you have a huge don't listen in don't listen to him cut here

cut back here no soul boom Danny you're not allowed to get up that's never happened it's never happened but we never had a guy from the office who knows to play to the lens uh soul boom is a podcast that I do that's about spirituality, mental health, philosophy, metaphysics, but it's also funny

and we laugh a lot and have some great conversations and it's going great and people like it and it's fun and I love it. So this is kind of this other side of your personality, of spirituality, investigatory, all about it, how it can heal the world. I'm going to cut to the chase. I want to hear it. I'm a colossal fuck up. I had a lot of mental health problems. I have a lot of addiction problems and I needed spirituality to kind of save my ass and so I like to talk about it and read about it and think about it period that's just it there's no simple julia Cameron says I come to spirituality not out of virtue but out of necessity so for me it's like it's tools that help me in my life and otherwise I tend to be very miserable and self-destructive billions of people because

what better topic or question is there how did we get here and what are we doing and what are we doing here? Yeah. What is our purpose? And how did we get here? So that never goes away. So that leads you to, I'm so tiny and I will be dead for a trillion years. Yep. Or infinity. So I don't mind talk about astrophysics. Earth. Have I been here before? I might reincarnate. Yeah. There's a lot of things. Is there a creator? Is there a creator? How does that work? What happens when we die? Do we have a soul? Yeah. All that. Have you had a supernatural experience? I mean, have you seen, have you, have felt the other side or felt the presence of a goat or anything like that presence of a goat a goat people say ghosts all the time i saw michael jordan at a restaurant have you slept with a goat

that's my question i have fucked a goat yes and you know i'm not proud of it sleep is a little more pg for our pot i like it so long i'm sorry wait use your own camera made love he doesn't know that's why you don't know your lenses we don't we don't we have four more fucking cameras. This is for real. This is the most we ever had. My father passed away about five years ago, and there were a lot of profound things that came up for me in that.

And when I was preparing his body for a burial, and we washed the body and wrapped it in a shroud, and I realized, like, oh, these are just corporal vessels that carry our essence. This was not him. This was just a shell. shell, exactly. A meat suit. A meat suit, a flesh tuxedo. Shell better. I like shell better. Yeah, totally. I like meat suit better. Okay. Two against one. As long as

it fits, right? Yeah. But there's nothing there. You just see a person you're like, it's gone. I have a dialogue with my father that I feel is very strong. And I know that sounds like woo-woo and crazy, but I really, and it's not like I hear him going, rain, pick up your socks or something like that. but I definitely like there's some conversations presence and sometimes like the other day I was kind of making coffee in our little coffee nook and I was like he's here with me like I don't know what I was just like he's like here with me and so you know was there a was there a vision or something

like that not exactly but a lot of intuition so we were very close we had a very deep connected relationship. I think that's nice. It also helps cope after these things happen. Yeah. And who knows, man? Who knows?

Who knows? Who knows what? Rayne Wilson hates the office and speaks to his dead ghost father. Ghost dad, Bill Cosby. You ever see that one? Dana Carvey canceled for doing Cosby impersonation. You can't even do an impression.

No, in 20. Did you see Ghost Dad? It's pretty good. I remember Ghosted, I don't know if I saw it. Is that Bill Cosby? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.

In the 60s, his albums were just like, Oh, my God. Everybody was in awe of Fat Albert and stuff like that. I did something in 2016, I can't do now. I don't even know what happened. Yeah. What happened? Everyone just kind of dropped him.

Yeah. I did a bit in 2016 I can't do now. Go ahead. Please do it. Because you see the lady and she gets to poo, you get to poop in the latest. Yeah, don't do it. It's just mumbling This guy's on the office

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Yes. And I went to a taping of Just Shoot Me. Oh, you did? Yeah. Because Enrico Colentone was in Galaxy Quest. Oh, he was? That's right. So I went in.

And all I remember was like, I was so hungry. I hadn't eaten. And I thought there would be like more food. Anything. And there wasn't like, they didn't like bring the, I had to like ask him to get me some food. He had a security guard like get me some food. Were you in the crowd? Yeah.

And they used to give like one pizza for everybody. And they hit it like a bunch of fucking Wolverines. Yeah. Because they don't feed him. for, they keep you there for four hours. I was starving, but it was very funny to watch. Okay, good. I was very impressed.

You guys were just so deft and, yeah, it was a really great comedy. He was the Fonz of that show. I did like the office, and I will say, the funny thing is how some of these things were a little rough on the edges. Some of these jokes were a little controversial today, but today it's still kills, so it does make sense. Everyone still loves it, so you go, wait. Could I make an observation? if Steve Carell is Michael Scott or Steve

his character is so clueless and saying such crazy stuff isn't it satirate right isn't it satire as opposed to offensive isn't it making fun of clueless people who say and do offensive things but Ricky Jervais is so brilliant at that and that was the setup like if you have the most

clueless unselfconscious person who's only going to kind of speak before they think at the center of a show, you can get away with everyone. As long as you cut to the reactions of everyone going rolling their eyes, then he can say the most offensive shit known to man. It's a brilliant comic setup.

Yeah, I'll do Stanley reaction, ready? Yeah. That's good. That's not bad. That's good. Okay, someone says something, racist and foul. Who is that person? Is that you?

that's me saying no I thought there was someone in the office Well you know you can use glasses as a kind of a thing That's ridiculous Here's me on the office You say something too sexual Okay It's at my desk

And I look at the camera Here's me Is that you as Stanley or as David Spade That's me if I want to know Okay But I'm playing like just some hot guy Gary or something Yeah

Just some hot guy Here's me watching the office And I see that it's an episode about Dwight fuck wow that's how you welcome me to your show well that was me doing a non-joke

of course I love you here's me a read-through and it's Dwight heavy it's my joke but you did it better than me but you did it better the whatever

whatever but yeah I love the office the tension of it the you know it was revolutionary and I don't think any other series for the last 25 years is retained its popularity like the office? Increased its popularity.

I think that people when we were finishing the show, Steve had left. Our ratings were in decline. You know, frankly, the show got worse since the last couple of seasons. There were still some great episodes and it was still better than most everything else on TV, but you know,

you lose one of the great comic geniuses of all time. It's going to take a hit. And then And after it can't, when was that, 2014, 15, or something like that? There was a couple years there. No one was thinking about the office. Yeah. And the streaming brought it back and there's something about it that's so evergreen.

I don't know what it is. It's fluorescent lights, cubicles. It just kind of men's warehouse style suits. Like it just kind of, it doesn't feel dated at all. You can watch some other stuff. And it just feels like, wow, that looks like 1994 right there on my TV set. Yeah. And a great show.

You always feel like no other actor could play every single part. That's good, yeah. There's like no one could have played Dwight except you and Steve Carell at his part. You know, it's just like that's what great, great shows. Well, you can't imagine anyone else. Yeah, you can't imagine Seinfeld with any other different league. I beg to Diffel. Sorry.

That's Seinfeld. That's Seinfeld. That was Seinfeld? I do Seinfeld as a serial killer. That's the only. Go ahead. I think I'm going to get down in your own. Oh, Spalina just got up like that, so, so, zoh.

You know that, that gear he's got where he goes, I think I could maybe do this. Yeah. What are these people doing? Then he goes up there. We love Jerry. He's brilliant. Have you looked at a Pop-Tart?

That just sounds like the beginning of something. It is pretty good as like he invented the What's the Deal with kind of set of jokes. What's the deal with the DMV? Like, what's the deal with this glass? Is this glass half full or half empty? What's the deal with that? All well written. He's got so much.

Could I do my one I've done before? But it's Jerry's new. It's an album. Okay. Jerry Seinfeld does comedy live album and it's just a picture of Jerry like this. And the title is, paper clips, why? I don't know. Exactly.

I like that. Paper clips, why got nothing? I don't feel like we got to any of those questions on here. Are you trying to? How many other guests? How many other shows are you doing today? Seven. We rarely do, too.

no we're doing two today we rarely who's coming in Terry Hatcher was she at the same time as you were on yeah yeah okay were you ever the pool boy I never was the pool boy you ever see her out and about at Emmy parties yes we we bumped into each other sure we front way Douglies okay well I love that because I watch Terry's really nice and a really good actor I think I did a reading in a New York theater with her too she's a yeah got a golden globe or something for that yeah i love that you love star trek and and kung fu yeah the tv show kung fu carotin yeah well in uh i watch that uh i watch that i watch star trek next gen now you know i'm rewatching episodes oh how how is that is it holding up like rewatching it yeah well because you watch all this stuff that's what's your favorite season

of that show like could you skip season one go because it gets better i think it did get better but i think Brent Spiner is brilliant in that character. And I think Patrick Stewart, the gravitas, he brings Mr. Data. Market Show, level one. And it's also, it's a morality play. You want to be Patrick Stewart's character. You want to be Captain Bacard. He's just got this moral compass.

It's really kind of a cat and mouse game, and they're trying to help a civilization evolve. It's very feel good. It's not a lot of these shows. They're so toxic now and dark that you just want to. There was an interesting thing about the next generation, which is Roddenberry thought that at that point in time in humanity's evolution, there would no longer be disagreements between people. And so if you notice on next generation, you know, we're doing the best we can, Captain, give it more. Like the original series, they're like, they're budding heads a lot.

We got no more power, Captain. Yeah. I can't make it so scummy. I can't get on. So go ahead. Oh, my God. That was the first one. But the next generation, they didn't.

didn't argue like that you never heard him saying like number one make it so and like like captain we're not gonna no you're right they're really in the same frequency so the ideas had it had to be deeper and yeah i thought there was an episode do you remember the episode where they were playing a video game and it was it was kind of like a what's that little serpent game going around and and and they would get a um it planted like a thing in their brain to give them a dopamine hit and it was kind of like a thing in their brain to give them a dopamine hit every time and they were all like playing this video game and they were all getting these dopamine hits

but it was actually an alien invading like their brain and it it presaged forward it presaged like video games our dopamine dumping devices that we keep in our pockets with endless video games and porn and YouTube clips and yeah I'm getting excited when you talk about it

I'll show you I'm getting pre-dopamine I drink I didn't a serial called dopamini's, a little mini dopamine hits. Dopamini, they're delicious. We should see if we can get an ad on that. Let's start doing fake sponsors. Can I stay for the Terry Hatcher? You should stay in the ad.

You absolutely can. Can I just sit back there? I love listening to you guys. She's going to be good because she hosted when I was there. You won't about best guess. But I'm going to leave you guys, but I got a million things going today. I just got a new avocas. I have a new podcast.

This is our first episode. We're just going to start. It's called Rain and Me. You're filming the second one. I'm leaving and then you're going to do. I'm launching a new podcast, Rain and Me. Okay. David, and obviously, let it rain.

Fly on the wall. Yeah. There's so many you could do, let it rain. There's so many. Did you get teased on one? I got teased mercilessly. I really, and plus it didn't help that. I was kind of a nerd and a dick at the same time.

it was not a good No, I was very sweet but I was very nerdy and I had the name Rain and I had a giant head and that was a toxic combination George Siegel told me you have to have a giant head

to be a movie star because he had a giant head and he goes Who did? George Siegel and he goes you sorry I go

Oh I don't have a giant head Is there any tiny headed movie stars I have to be Well Mickey Rooney's was huge Was it? I think it looks circular Oh yeah What's the African queen guy?

Bogart? Bogart, giant, giant, giant, melon. Gary Grant. Medium to large. But you're right, like, who has a tiny head? Who has a tiny little baseball head? Maybe. Donnots?

Maybe. I don't know if Andy Griffith looked like he had a big one. Yeah. Facing the crowd. Maybe they just had little shoulders and little bodies. I don't know if it's an optical illusion. I don't think my head's very long as out. I've got a tiny head.

Tony Headbet, I've got Tony Shelt. I did that yesterday. I'm doing it. I got to go. He's got to go. You've got to get on the 405. Thank you.

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