Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - RE-RELEASE Arnold Schwarzenegger

Episode Date: December 29, 2025

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very fun place and um he's just fun to talk to i mean he has a great sense of humor and he's just fun everything about him and you'll see what happens yeah he likes comedy with the first time i think we went to somebody we didn't know how to do it it was early We go to his office, we set all this crap up. We got on the ground. We goofed around. We had some laugh. And he was just upbeat, lighthearted.

Yeah. I got one of my favorites. Yeah. And I just wanted to do push-ups in front of them. So you hear that. I think we posted a picture. Yeah. And he is and always has been the most positive, you know.

Yeah, you had good form. And the products were going up and down. And I was looking at them. with delight. I like me because I have to give it to you guys. It's just so puny, but you know, you don't get fat. How do you say, how do you stay so lean? Because the whole thing is to be lean like a little chihuahua.

You don't want to be a big bear, you know. So anyway, the whole thing is really fun. And Arnold Sarsie, he's the only one and only Arnold Z. Yeah, as far as I hear. Don't say anything. You don't have any positive to say. So it'll be kind of quiet? What is this?

He's got wires all over. Let me do your trick. It's a little tiny. How long have you been doing this? This 18 months? 18 months. Is that right? Yeah.

And how did you end up together? I met him before S&L, believe it or not, in the 80s at the clubs. 80s, Jesus. Well, whatever. And then I moved back down to L.A. And we started hanging out. And then I had a little podcast I was doing. He came on.

Then our manager said, you've got to do this. Yeah, yeah. That was it. Yeah. But I think it's a great idea because I think it creates more energy if you have two people. Yeah, it does. Kind of back and forth type of thing. It makes it a lot easier.

It's a lot easier. It makes it go quicker and he's pretty smart. And we both know a lot of same people. This guy is. It happens. Sorry, Arnold. You're smart too. Oh, man.

Let me tell you. I mean, it's really, I think this is the first one that we're doing with comedians. That's a fun one. Am I right? Yeah. First podcast, yeah. Because, I mean, you guys made me laugh. Let me tell you.

More often than anything. I mean, when I... Conan is a comedian. You know, Conan, yeah, I guess. Yeah. I mean, sort of. But I don't see Conan as much as a comedian. Well, he's not a stand-up, but he's funny.

But in general, because I know him more as a host of a very popular kind of a talk show, right? So they have done his show several times, but they're not as a stand-up comedy and all this. I mean, we have all known each other on a personal level and have had a lot of fun together on the personal. And then you, of course, you guys came to the White House. You know, we're doing the Hans and France because we had this great American workout which was kind of like a copy of what Kennedy used to do in the White House

because all the other presidents really never really capitalized on this idea of presidents, counsel and physical fitness and sports created under Eisenhower. But then Kennedy made it kind of become a reality. I did that in school. When I was in sixth grade, it was like 50 pushups, you know, pull-ups, you did all that. It made you stay in shape.

You got a medal when you could do certain things. And so what happened is that we had now the event, the Great American Workout at the South Lawn of the White House. Yes. But you don't just want to make it a fitness event, right? And make it boring. So we wanted to make it hip. So we asked them, Hans and France had to come to the White House and entertain the people

and the kids and everybody. And they made everyone laugh and how. And it was just huge. And it got us also because of them great ratings. Yeah, good press. And so all the press was there. And, you know, there were like the big shots from Saturday Night Live and Hans in France still looking for, you know, Uncle Arnold.

And we walked around and just berated everyone. Don't undo your belt. You might cause a flamalan. Yeah, and then flip everyone through the ear to landed their own baby boop. That was one of the best. That in your buttocks are like marshmallows. You're lucky I don't have a campfire here. So they're threatening to burn someone.

Hans and Franz was so funny. It was so great when you did it. You didn't know how it was right. You just came out. Yeah, I was an as Nell. I was a guest. He invited me to come to the show and to be a guest there. And Danny DeVito, one time I was there with Danny DeVito.

Yes, and Danny was the pit bull. Yeah. And he was like, I tried to attack the audience. You were holding him back. Right. But we didn't know how you were going to react. We started doing it. And we hear Arnold's coming, Arnold's coming.

And then they said, Arnold's waiting down the hall. This is an 8-H in New York. So Kevin and I are a little nervous we went in. And you're in some chair, you lean back and you go, I'll I do the accent again, fellas? And then we knew you loved it. Well, no, but to me it was heaven. Because you have to understand that when I first wanted to get into acting,

one of the first things they said was in that it won't work. No one in America has ever made it. that had an accent. No one could be a leading man or anything. It is tough. It says it's really tough. People want to hear someone talk like John Wayne, like Clean the Eastwood or Al Pacino,

this with the guys, you know. So anyway, so then I realized that I had to kind of make the accent actually something not to hide it, but to actually make something off this. But then out of nowhere without me controlling it, they came along and they legitimized it because now there was someone that actually took that subject of action, accent and had a good time with it, not to make fun of it, but to actually entertain people

with it and do it overboard. And so all of a sudden, from that point on, it became much more accepted the whole thing and really became much easier for me. Oh, I didn't even know that. And it's also comedy, and, you know, you're doing a lot of action. It's good. Now you're involved in comedy. It's just one more thing in the comedy field that people think of you and then it's funny.

And it's also you were in on the joke. You were inside the tent. And we're all having fun. I always had a good sense of humor. and that you always was the first one to be able to make fun of myself and of my situation, the body, you know, coming from Germany and all this kind of stuff, the German accent. The flabby little puny arms and the little girly man,

which girlie man was to me was just like, you know, gym talk, like your little puny arms, you look like a girly man. And then when you became governor, sometimes you would use that to describe the legislatures, right? Yeah. You would use some of it, that a bunch of girlie. Right. Exactly. So we would go out and say, you know, that we should sign this bill. But, you know, there's the legislature that's up there. And so, man, they're such girly men. They're afraid to do the hard work and all this stuff. And they were really offended by the whole thing. So I actually stopped it, you know, because I said, I said, you know, I want to work with those guys. I didn't, I didn't mean it in a negative, negative way. I just wanted to actually, I didn't want to insult them. I actually wanted to just entertain the crowd. Right. I was out in the shopping mall. And I was like, saying, to the people. I said, be with me, you know, they vote for those initiatives that are coming

up in November. I said, you know, I have to take it directly to you the initiatives because this girly man in Sacramento wouldn't go for it. And they were laughing. And I've been back to Sacramento, how could you call us scurly men? This is not fear, you know, for you to do. I said, I'm sorry, I didn't want to offend you. Yeah, to me it was just silly. The New York Times called me and tried to get me to explain what it meant. And to me, it was just two guys lifting weights in a gym, teasing each other. Yeah. There was no homophobic undertones at all, at all.

But the day, you have to be so careful when you say all this stuff. Yeah, if you say a baby man, your little baby, and then they're like, why is that against babies? Yeah, this is a baby man. But what I like is we were saying, you as a politician are one of the few that does, you were putting humor in, and it does make people listen. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You did it before Trump.

Yeah, yeah. You had nicknames for foes and stuff. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. You came out of the box as a breath of fresh air in California. California, like the anti-politician telling it like it is. I remember your first debate, I think, was they tax this when we go to the bathroom in the

morning. They tax us when we're driving on our cars. They taxed, you know, and it was such a compelling. You know, when you have a cup of coffee. The tax is going to go to the gas station. Yeah, tax, tax, money, no, not taxing. But that made you stand out. But anyway, so your book, I read it.

It's called, you don't know this, but it's called Be Useful, Seven Tools for Life. Yes. I'm going to read you one chapter. This, by the way, this is true, Arr. Chapter one. Oh, you have the book. Oh, fuck, yeah, I do. I got questions.

I got books. My brother and I, I've got three older brothers. We have this thing that we used to say for years. All registered girly men. We would always say, what would Arnold do when we're up against any kind of challenge or something negative? I'm not kidding. What would Arnold do?

Because I noticed a long long, now I'm just because I'm with you, I'm talking with a slight Austin accent the whole time. But I'm always thinking what would Arnold do in this situation, which would always be positive, always. So I'm not surprised at all. You wrote this book. A book is a lot about positivity, pretty much overall. Yeah, it's about how can anybody, no matter who you are and where you are in the world, be more successful. And because there's just certain things that hold us back.

and the simple thing sometimes like the fear of failure or picking little goals rather than big goals and whatever it is or listening to the naysayers whatever it may be as I'm trying to go through this

in this book and to just tell people here there's seven rules I could put 15 rules in there but since the publisher said that they should have no more than 260 pages so we made it we kept it in that kind of a framework

but in any case it's basically just simple rules and tools that will help people to become more successful and more free and more able to kind of like go and expand and you know follow their dreams and how do you create a dream for yourself how do you create a vision for yourself

and all that's what I get into in the book I think lately there's sort of a victim card being played too much and it's nice to have refreshing old school there's a chapter to work your ass off which is very basic but it's not what people say out there as much anymore. Yeah, yeah, but I talk about exactly what I did.

You know, when I came over to this country, I was into working. I was not shying away from working. I was always saying, I'm willing to work. Even though I was a Mr. Universe several times over and Mr. World. Seven? And Mr. Olympia seven times. Jesus. Not at that point.

In the early 70s, I was like five times Mr. Universe, Mr. World, Mr. International and two times Mr. Olympia. It's incredible. So now I said there was already at the top of your game. It was kind of like in bodybuilding there was no money. We didn't make any money. It's like Miss America. Right.

So it was like one of those crazy things. We had to make a living. So you know I started a mail order business to kind of like sell booklets and how to train your biceps and your chest and all of those kind of thing. So with 20 steps doing it. doing that that's right so but the thing is still we need to go and go let's go out and work so my friend franco colombo yeah the bodybuilding champion memory very well and loved you and him together that's right yeah yeah so he was a he was a bricklayer professional masonry worker learned it in italy

in sardinia then continued working in in germany that's where i met him and so when he came over here and we kind of always trained together i said to frank i said franker you're a masonry worker you're a bricklayer, why don't we start a bricklaying business? I said in America they love this European bullshit. I said, you know, so we call it as an Italian masonry expert.

Yeah. And we put a little ad in the early times. Well, the next day after we put this ad in beyond our knowledge, I mean an earthquake happened. The earthquake happened. It's 1971. So all of a sudden now the chimneys fall.

down, the patios, the walls. Time means everything. You had nothing to do with it? So now we started getting a, that's funny. Nothing to do with it. But anyway, the next thing I know is we get all this phone calls. Can you come out and give me an estimate of how to build,

rebuild my chimney and how to rebuild my fireplace, how to do my patio? I have a huge crack going through the whole patio. And we cannot continue like that. Blah, blah, blah. So Frank and I started. going out and doing estimates. And of course, we were not really experienced in all this stuff. So we just started, you know, measuring the stuff.

And then we had always arguments about, you know, I was always kind of like the good guy. He was the bad Italian who always charges too much. And then I would say, this is outrageous, frankly. You cannot charge in a $7,600 for this stuff. We can do it cheaper than that. No, no, no, no. And then we started in German and in Italian, we started arguing. No one understood we were saying.

And you just imagine, I said to the guy, I wouldn't say to the customer, I said, well, I got him down now finally. So we can do it for $5,000. And they said, thank you so much. And they hugged me. And then we did the job. Wait a minute. How do you teach street smarts like that?

One is the Italian name in the paper and then the clapping. But then this whole song and dance, I mean, that's just like street smarts. Or what would you call that IQ? Well, but remember that I, when I was in school, I was an apprentice, in selling. So when I was 15 years old, instead of going to go on to a university career,

I learned to be a salesperson. And so I was kind of an apprentice for three years, and I learned how to sell. So sell, sell, sell. And I have one of the chapters in the book that is in there because I realized of how important selling is. So the art of selling was, in this case,

was when I go to a customer and he says, can you show, can you tell me how much it costs to redo this chimney? It sounds better if you go with like you do in the store, 50% off. Yes, no matter what. But first they add the 50% and then they give you 50% off. So my idea was, I said, I measured it out and I said to Frank. I think it would cost us by the time we buy the material, which will be $2,000. Our workmanship, it would take us a week to do this. $1,500 each in $3,000.

So that's $5,000. So then Frank said, yeah, $5,000, we can do it. So then I would go to the guy and says, he wants $7,800. And the guy will freak out and say, oh my God, I don't know if I can afford this. This is like an outrageous. I said, well, let me work on it.

And so I would go to Frank, and then all of a sudden we will have the screaming match in the corner. Big, big to do. Big show. This is so do it. This is, it's too much work. Blah, blah, blah.

Scream is a band in Italian. And all of this stuff. And then the next thing is, I go back to the guy and says, I brought him down to $5,000. And the guy said, oh, thank God. Thank God. And they will hug me and we get the job, you know? So this is about, so we gave them a good deal. But, I mean, we also kind of sold the idea that they got a special, special deal.

Did you do physical work or just sort of? Yeah, no, I was the guy that was mixing the cement and the sand and the water. So I picked up the mixer at the construction place where you rent construction equipment and I picked it up with my car. They put it on in the back. And I just took it to the construction side. You just used blenders to save money.

And it just, exactly. They notice how pumped up you guys were. Did they comment on it? Did you comment on the song? On the speedos? And what did you say? We said, we're probably a bodybuilder. And they said,

But why do you, we really didn't want to say that we have to work for a living. We just said, look, we have two choices. One of the things is, I lost one of the Mr. Universe conducts because it didn't have enough of a tan. So that's why you're out there? I said, so I said, which was in Florida, which is really true. One of the reasons was that I didn't have a tan. The other one was, it was a little bit too chubby. I didn't know.

It wasn't cut enough. Yeah, exactly. Like 4% of body fat. That's right. So anyway, so I said, you know, I lost my bodybuilding competition because he didn't have enough of a tan. I said there will never ever happen again. I said, so now the only guy, am I training every day on Muscle Beach down there in Venice Beach, you know, on the weightlifting platform. I said, but I want to work out here. We rip off the shirt and we work outside because then you get

the natural tan all over the place and get brown. I said, and this way how we can win. So this is why we work a few hours every day in the sun. Right. You get that long. This was one of the rap. I said, and he happens to be a bricklayer and outside. standing Bricklander from Italy. He did all the special masonry work. He even worked from the Vatican. And the work was good. Basically built the Vatican.

So I don't want to jump ahead here, but then is the biggest selling point you did. And how did you apply this to selling yourself to Hollywood? Yeah, Hollywood. Not wanting to play the second or third lead, but starting at Movistar. Yeah, did he not, did you not do any... What most people do is small part, small part. Are you right to Conan? No, I did.

But my goal was to be a leading man. Yeah. So I remember, for instance, Lucille Ball will call me. She's. And I was at Gorge Gym working out, and she saw me on a Miff Griffin show. Arnold. And she said, she called me. Arnold.

Oh, this is Lucy Ball. That's got a little bit of smoke in, yeah. That's right. I met her. And so she says, I saw you on the Miff Griffin show. I wanted to come in and read for this part Joe Sando

which is a masseur from Italy there's an Italian accent but most people don't know the difference between a German accent and Italian accent blah blah blah come on in and read

and so I would go in there and I would say oh my God there's a TV show with Art Connie Lucy Ball Out Connie just won the Academy Awards and all that such that this was like really big so I went in there and she opened up the script and said they read this part

but I had no idea what that means so she says she says well I need I need to come in and you know my back hurts and how do you know how to massage and I said my name is Joe Sandal and I am from Italy I'm a truck driver from Italy and in Italy every truck driver also does massages and she says

oh way you went to my acting she says let's go and take this script away yeah no screen she says the idea

of it is this blah so she explained to me the idea and then she asked me some questions

right and then I would just say yeah yeah I'm from Italy I'm a truck driver and my name is Joe Sando

and of course in Italy everyone because there's massages and then she was laughing and everyone

else was laughing and then she says you see guys I told you I told him he will be good. I mean, you know, he's not used to the script idea and the reading idea. But, I mean, he can be, by the time we shoot this next Friday, he will be perfect. I promise you guys that.

And you're here ready to be here every day for rehearsal. And I didn't even know what the rehearsal meant. But in the case, but the baller, I said, yeah, yeah, whatever he wants me to do. I do. And so I came every day. I worked with her every day. She was very patient and we shot then on Friday. And she kept saying, he says, and you need to project more.

You need to project more because we're shooting live. So I had no idea with life. With an audience. I had no idea of that meant. So anyway, we rehearsed and rehearsed. And then we shot this scene that I'm ringing the doorbell. The green light lights up at the door. And I opened out the door.

She opens up the door. And she says, you are the masseur? And I say, yeah, I'm the monsieur. You know, she says, come on in. And so I go in there and all of a sudden, huge applause. Oh, my God. You don't know that there's people. So now I'm standing in my massage table and I'm looking out like this, staring out.

I'm in shock. I'm frozen. First time you heard a lot. So this is not what the scene is supposed to be, to be frozen. You come in there and to be like this Italian flamboyant guy that opens up the massage table, professionally chuck, check, check, check, boom, clips it open and so it's light down. Now you're just frozen. I'm not standing there like this.

You know, totally frozen. And then she says, well, are you massaging me? Get the table set up. So she immediately saw what she played off it. Oh, yeah, totally. And then so I said, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then the applause continued on.

So I flipped the table over. Of course, I only had the tank top of them. So I had like the big guns hanging out. And the whole thing. Did you get applause for the guns? It was fantastic. The whole thing. Connie came in in the middle of the scene.

The whole thing was like a seven-minute scene. And it played like a true. I remembered all my lines. She said it was fantastic. And then I tell you something, from that moment on, Lucille Ball, as long as she lived,

she always wrote me a letter. Every movie that I did after that. She saw me on Streets of San Francisco to play a guest starring Aurora, which I got after that two years later. She saw Stay Hungry, and then came out with Bob Rayferson. He directed me Jeff Bridges and Sally Fields.

She wrote me a letter. I'm so proud of you. Arnold, you're fantastic. I knew you had this potential. You're going to be a big star. I mean, what a sweet of a woman. As tough as she was. Everyone knows she was one of the toughest women in town.

And Art Connie could tell you that because she kind of directed the show, even though she was not the director. And then Gary Morton, who was her husband, could also tell you how tough she was. I did a little studio. I did a pilot with Desi Arnaz Jr. called Whacked Out. And we're doing the pilot. audience is there and we're really bombing.

I mean, it's silent. And all of a sudden, I hear a voice from the bleachers going, what's wrong with you people? So Lucille Ball had grabbed the microphone and was yelling at the audience. This is funny. Then the whole audience flipped out, made a big line, and it took an hour and a half for everyone to get her autograph. That's fantastic.

Yeah. For her to take time to do that with you is pretty nice because she could have just said, tough reading, get out, you know, next. but to work with you and to be that big of a star and get you going and that was really probably one of the biggest things

even just confidence-wise. No, but as much as people were negative about the idea of a muscle guy getting into movies because what they felt kind of the 60s, the era of the Hercules movies. Steve Reeves and the Ridge Park and Mark Forrest and Blue Degney

and Gordon Michel and all those guys are bad movies or B movies. They were little, they were not significant movies, but I mean, for me, big, because when I was 15 years old, and I saw Steve Reeves and Reds Park on the screen, said, oh, my God, can you believe bodybuilders then become leading man in movies? It's a long shot, though. So that was my motivation.

Yeah. You get into bodybuilding. I said, myself, oh, then I can be an actor. So then I go to Hollywood, there's Muscle Beach, and there's Hollywood. So you have your own fantasies as a kid with 15. So that was my fantasy. and I made my fantasy become a reality and I talk about that in the book

how important it is that we have a vision and that we have a gore and that we have something to chase no matter how stupid it may sound to other people but just don't listen to the naysayers chase your dreams and that's exactly what I did. And that part of the book, don't listen. That seems like a lot of people

like I would get my feelings hurt a lot in the early days before I got on Saturday Night Live. If someone said I wasn't good or whatever, what are the mind tricks you played to get around that? Like they're saying, you're terrible, you're nothing, this isn't going to make it, that's not good, and you twist it in your mind. You know, I didn't have to really twist much because I just saw my vision very clearly in front of me, of me becoming eventually a Mr. Universe, for me eventually coming to America and eventually getting into movies, I saw that. And it was so believable that I had such faith in my vision that there was no one that could talk me out of it. They just didn't get it in your head.

Well, I understood that when someone has never done something, like, you know, Nelson, Nelson Mandela always said, you know, everything is always impossible until someone does it. And this is exactly, there was no Austrian ever that became Mr. Universe. So when I say, I want to be Mr. Universe, of course they laughed, you know, because they thought, well, if he says he wants to be a ski champion, that makes sense, but not to be a Mr. Universe or to be a weightlifter, something like this. Weightlifting was kind of dominated by the Russians.

bodybuilding was dominated by the Americans or by the British sermon. What is he talking about here? So you beat the odds once in a big way and now you're going to do it in an even bigger way to come all to America and know the language. Did you know the language at all? When you got here, it took you a while.

No, I mean, there was a lot of subtle things like I said when Lucy Ball said, we're going to go and read, come over to for a read. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't know when she said, we're going to shoot this live, that this means there will be a live audience and we will be live to filming

and not taping and stuff like it. So all of this stuff I didn't know, but I learned the language quickly. I went to college. I remember I went to Santa Monica City College and took English classes and then eventually did business classes and all the stuff that I learned as an apprentice

selling, marketing, publicity, and accounting, mathematics, and all of this stuff, micro and microeconomics. And then eventually got a degree in that, which was also not something that I planned on doing. But I was like going, hard time to college for eight years.

I mean, think about it, from 1969 to 1977. It was like I just wanted to educate myself. And I didn't have a student visa, so I couldn't go full-time to college. So I had to always just take two classes. So sometimes even to cheat a little bit, I do two classes at San Antonio City College. And then at night I would go with the UCLA and take some extension courses. And then sometimes I would take classes at Westless. Angeles college and stuff like that.

But eventually, it got enough, like almost 300 units of credits and then they gave me a degree. You know, it's so easy to quit along the way in this guy. There's so many hard obstacles that people would just go, I can't do that and take college. I have the question. Did you, when you were thinking of your vision, Mr. Olympia, this, and when you envision yourself as a movie star,

did you envision Conan the Barbarian? Did you ever envision twins and kindergarten cop? No. No. Conan the Barbarian. I mean, using your physicality. John Wayne. What I envisioned was just like, you know, Reg Park and Steve Reeves, I said to myself,

maybe I can somehow use the muscles and get into movies. I did not know that there are eras. Yeah. You know, that there was the 60s was the muscle era where they made all these muscle movies and stuff like that. That the 70s would be kind of like the opposite. Yeah. And over a sudden, Moody Island and Dustin Hoffman and Alpergina. And all those guys, exactly, would be the stars.

Yeah. And so that everyone said to me, He says, Arnold, this guys weigh a hundred pounds less than you do. You can't put you in a movie with those guys. It doesn't work. So forget about it. So it was all that kind of thing. But eventually, I think that after they did stay hungry.

Yeah. And I played a bodybuilding champion and stay hungry in the movie. And I got the Gordon Globe Awards for Best Acting Debut for that movie. So that really helped me. Did you improvise those lines, though, some of it? No, no, there was, in Stay Hungry, it was all written. And really, you were natural. And, well, thank you.

And then Pumping Arm came out, and then that was a big hit. Yeah. And so then all of a sudden, people started saying, it was Pumping Iron, actually, that made Ed Pressman, who just passed away recently, famous producer, yeah, who saw me in Pumping Iron and then got the rights of the Conan. After you saw you and you got the right, you're inching over to like, more mainstream and then you're going to get away from only strongman parts like what i moved here but i got a script the first time i just read it to them they handed me the script and i just read

it back to them and they're like what are you doing i'm like i don't know because you know they go come read it was the same thing i don't know sides all the lingo i didn't know and i it was hard for me to get work and i'm only this strong so i know it was a little bit of a detriment david did you find it tells you something about yourself like me in the early 80s i go to audition. I walk in a room and I see baby face guys with weak chins and little arms. Baby man. They all look like me, you know. I mean, you would walk in reading for something. Would you see a lot of other big guys waiting to read? No, I never read again. You never read. Oh, that was it? No, no, you never. What? I knew that this auditioning, this is not my bag. That's not my bag.

I'm going to tap out. Oh, shit. But for some reason, the other, from that point on, It always came to me, like Bob Rayfries and came to me and said, I want you to do stay hungry, but you have to take acting classes. I get you, you know, with this guy, Eric Morris, who was an acting coach. He says, he was working with Chuck Nicholson and blah, blah, blah. He says, I want you to take acting lessons. And then you will come in for reading. So I was like working with this guy for four months.

So you weren't auditioning. Before I go, Bob Rayfons did this as a joke in a way. And he has someone tape it. And I came in. And I did the scenes for him and, but it was basically already signed for the movie, right? So it was not really that was in danger. But so anyway, I did the, I did the scenes. And he, again, was very, very complimentary.

But this is the sweetness of people in this town that I noticed, kind of how supportive they can be. Like Bob Rayfran immediately says, stop it. I said, what? He says, look at my hair. Look at my hair on my forearm. I said, okay, I see you here in the form. He says, it's standing up.

Do you know this here in my forearm? When that stands up, it means that I totally bought in a scene. So what you just did, I totally bought in. It was so touching. It was so emotional. It was so well delivered. We don't even have to go any further. This is it.

You have to part. Wow. This is how it would be like that. And the same was with Jeff Bridges and been Saudi Fields. then, though, I was a beginner on this whole thing. But, oh, man, they were so supportive. When we did the scenes, Sally Fields was, like, extraordinary. And since I was Jeff Bridges, so supportive and everything.

Just take extra time. I had really a good, good experience. And then I think Lanceburg, when he hired me for, you know, the Chain Mansfield story with Lonnie Anderson, where I played Mickey Haggiday, you know, because Lane Mansfield's husband was a Hungarian guy. Right. So he was Mr. Universe.

And so I played that character, basically. And so with an accent, the accent was perfect. Then eventually I got then the Conan gig. And it was a big international kind of a movie with Universal Studios. How much of that did well? Like 200 million or something? No, no. In those days, there was no, 200 million.

But, I mean, it grows, I think, $70 or $80 million. That was huge. Like $300 million. It was like really. it was big and it was number one at the box office when it opened up so everyone was really happy and they signed me up for a second one

and that's when I was my first in the second counter I made the first million dollars and how old were you when you first made that million on the second cone about 30? I was like 30 years 34 years old what did that mean to you coming from

where you came from in Austria to get a million well my dream was I said I want to be like clean this wood because Clean Eastwood, Charles Bronson and Malam Brando were the only guys that were going over, getting a million dollars a movie in the 70s, in the 70s. So they were like the kings. So I said to myself, wouldn't it be cool if I get a million dollars a movie? And I always shot for the stars. I was the big dream. And then eventually it happened. So I felt fantastic. I felt delighted that I made a million dollars and that I'm a millionaire. But I was already

a millionaire before then because I was insisting on making my money in real estate. You know, like for instance, this building that we're sitting in right now, I built it in 1984. So in 1984, I bought it. Before Conan? At least, no, it was not before Conan, but it was before we went to terminate and all those things. And where did you get the money to buy the real estate? Well, I was working on construction sites. I was doing exhibitions and all this. And I started saving money. And then there was an apartment building for sale in Santa Monica for $240,000.

That's like the day, you know, $10 million. I don't know what. But in any case, it was $240,000. And I needed $37,000 down payment. I had in my bank account 27. So I went to Joe Weider, who was the publisher of the... Bodybuilding magazine. Exactly. And I said, can you go and loan me $10,000 for one year? And he said, absolutely. And so he would loan me the $10,000. I would put the $37,000 down,

and I bought this building, this office building. Two years later, someone comes to me and offers me $500,000 for the same building. This is how much real estate went up in the 70s because of the high inflation rate. Right. So I now immediately sold this building, took the profit and traded up to a 12-unit apartment building. Then I sold that two years later and traded up to a 36-unit apartment building. When's your book on? How did you come a millionaire? So I was like really, very quickly, in the 70s, I was already a millionaire. Without giving away numbers, but I'm always fascinated. How much real estate did you end up?

buying and was it all Southern California where you bought property or did you buy it other places? I always in other places in Colorado for instance. We bought a whole square block in Colorado and then eventually there was a high block. Square block. How much was the square block? The square blocks going to. It was

not that because we bought up pieces at the time and then eventually it was a square block and then we were able to sell this to someone that wanted to build a high rise and then we were able to get cut in 10% of the high rise and blah, blah, blah, and all that stuff.

So anyway, so I always felt very comfortable with the real estate business. But at the same time, the rule is don't have all your irons in the same fire. So I was, you know, investing in stocks and in bonds and all kinds of other kind of like startup businesses and so on. And so my investments always were very good. I never lost money on any investment as far as there goes. There was a huge, and listen to this, it was really funny because I bought the first money I got. I saved.

I bought land out in the Antelope Valley. Why? Because I read somewhere when I came over to this country that they're going to build a supersonic airport out there. And so I said, oh, I'm going to go, without telling anyone, I'm going to sneak out there, and I'm going to buy some property. With a knife in your mouth.

And so this is what I did. I bought for $5,000. I had only $1,000. I had to pay off the $5,000. I bought this property out there. And then, of course, they never built the airport. I thought the United States Air Force is out there. No, the Air Force is out, but, I mean, the supersonic airport,

they passed a law, an international law, that said no supersonic aircraft can fly over land. So they're only over the ocean. So that killed the idea. And so they kept the L.A. airport here. So my investment went down the tube. So everyone was laughing about it. You know, but here's what I think. Joe Weeder said to me, says, I don't know, don't worry about it.

This will be a good investment for your grandchildren. Keep it. Forget about it. Yeah. I did. I totally forgot about it and I kept it. The day it's worth one and a half million dollars. Just to show you a $5,000 property.

So I didn't even lose money on that investment. So this is just to show you that, you know, if you really hold on it. Can we talk more about this for the rest of the podcast? Yeah, exactly. How to invest Arnold. What was after the one you just said, oh, Conan? What was the first sort of mainstream? Conan, too.

Well, what was... That was kind of mainstream. The funny thing was my dreams and my desires grew. And I'm sure it's the same with you. Well, yeah, because you were dreaming. Stand up coming, but then you said, wouldn't it be great if I do a TV show. Wouldn't it be grateful if I do a movie? So you grow, you get more hungry.

And so the same thing happened to me. I said to myself, wouldn't it be cool if I could do movies that doesn't rely on muscles? Right. So what would happen was Jim Cameron comes along. Yeah. And he says to me, Mike Metavoy. And they say to me, he says, do you want to do this movie called Terminator? And I said, yeah, I said, that would be great.

Can you send me the script? They said, sure. So you send me the script and they said, this would be this character, Reese, which is the hero character in the movie. And I said, oh, that would be a really great, great roar. And then for some reason, at the other way, I met with Jim Cameron, and we had lunch. I talked the entire lunch about Terminator. He is a, Jim, I said, I know you have not directed much.

But I say, here's what is important when you direct this guy, whoever plays the Terminator. He says, well, the character that we hired for it is O.J. Simpson. He says, but the studio is kind of like negative about him because they think that he cannot sell the idea of being a killing machine. Oh, oh. He says, O.J. is not enough of a killer. He's kind of nice. He looks too soft for that.

These are direct quotes. So he says, so this is the truth. I mean, this is like unbelievable. He's doing Hertz commercial. And so they said, so this is not really set in stone. The whole thing is that, but after listening to you, Jim Cameron said, after listening to you talking to me about the Terminator, that he has to be trained to be like a machine

and he cannot walk like a human being, that he cannot talk like a human being. He says, you're absolutely correct. You take on it as perfectly, why don't you play the Terminator? And I said, no, no, no, no. I said, look, I want to play Reese. I want to be the hero. the villain. I'm set up in my mind. Well, the way I shoot it out, it would be like a hero and a villain. Hero, because there's all this unbelievable things and wipes everyone out, villain

because it's a machine. But you don't have to be responsible personally because you're a machine. You're directed by some higher power. So it's not like you're going around, killing things. So I said, oh, let me think about it. And so for a few days I thought about it. And then I said to myself, he's actually right. If he shoots this the right way, this could be really cool. And then I called him back and they said, okay, I'm in. And so there was the first movie where I wear. Shirt didn't come off.

No, never. It was like jacket, leather jacket, and the whole thing like that. And from then I got the offer to do after Terminator, to do commander. And after that, to do Predator, Running Man. And then on and on and all of a sudden. I think I've seen every one of your movies. I was in. Yeah.

I was accepted in Hollywood as the action hero. Yes. And it all came from Conan and from Terminator. So this was my launching pad. And you, God, you just had such a run at films. You know, Dana, I saw a copy of Terminator when you said, you know, your catchphrases are very short, which is smart. I saw an early copy when you say, come with me if you want to live.

Yeah. And it was, come with me if you want to live because I know all the shortcuts in town. We can go down to 710. And we can get in a carpool lane and the monster robot only can drive in the regular because he's one person. And I think it was better you tightened it because that seemed like a long matchphrase. Yeah, you didn't want to give you too wordy. Yeah, too worthy.

And so the final script, come with me if you want to live. They cut all that out. And it was boom, boom, boom, boom. There's a lot of, you had a lot of good ones. Did you know at the time when you do those that these might be sort of cool little things you say? No, no, you don't know. Oslovista baby. I mean, we never know what would hit and what people really like.

I mean, you wish you can say that and say, oh, this was written this way, or I improvised that it's not, that wouldn't be true. The reality of it is we had no idea that even I'll be back would be a line that would be the most repeated kind of line. Yeah, in history. We just, I was arguing with Jim Cameron endlessly about I will be back. He says, no, I wrote, I'll be back. I'm going to say, I will be back.

Because I don't like the aisle. This L thing sounds little weird. I said, I will be back. And he says, who the fuck wrote the script? Oh, yeah. Are you the script writer now? Or am I the script writer? I say, you're the script writer.

And he says, okay, so we say, I'll be back. And if you want, we can shoot it 10 different ways. If it makes you feel comfortable, always says. But so let's just do that. I'll be back. I will be back. That's bullshit. I was arguing with him about the line.

But you know what's funny is. It was right. And luckily, he was so right. And he made me say. I will be back sounds almost more robotic than you were right in that respect. Yeah, I know. But I mean, so he just loved, I'll be back, you know. And so we did it 10 times. And when the movie came out, everyone wanted me to repeat that line.

And so you don't know. We had no idea this is going to happen. We had no idea that, you know, kind of like all the stuff, you know, Asta-Lavista baby in Terminator 2, you know, or get to the chopper. is stupid lines. Just because the way I say it, because Germans cannot pronounce the ah in the end. So everything is ah, chapa.

It's not a tumor. It's not a tumor. So when I said, it's not a tumor. So when I said it's not a tumor when we rehearsed for kindergarten cop and I did the rehearsal with the kids and I said it's not a tumor, all the kids started laughing,

even though it was supposed to be an intense scene. So then Ivan Reitman looked and said, this is funny. They're all laughing. They say the same way. Don't change anything. So anyway, so these lines became kind of famous because the way I say,

the accent. And so if someone else would have said, wouldn't have made anything. It's musical. It's a musicality. I will be back has a different rhythm comedically. I'll be back.

It's so intense. Didn't you do some where you would drop guys off thanks for dropping by and you drop him off a cliff those kinds of lines too. And the guy says, I promised to kill me last.

You know, Sally. I said, Sally, remember I promised to kill you last? And he says, yeah, yeah. I said, I lied. Yeah. And then it just dropped me. Mr.

Freeze had a couple. And everyone, all the kids that are running around that the parents were saying, he says, you promised me that you're not going to get an F in school. I lied. I lied.

That's great. So all the kids. You have more comedy hits than most comedians, to be honest. But, you know, when we're talking about growing your vision, like, the last thing I ever thought about doing was doing comedies. But then, man, I was doing a bunch of movies, action movies, I said to myself, wouldn't it be cool if I could do a comedy? Because I felt I had a sense of humor.

Yes, I agree that I didn't understand the American sense of humor as well. So that's why I asked my buddy Milton Pearl to teach me. about Milton Burl, wow. Yeah, Milton Burl, yeah. So he would write jokes for me. He was friends with Lucille Ball as well. Yeah, but he was to write jokes for me all the time, Milton Burl.

And so he obviously, you know, called me fucking Nazi have to write these fucking jokes for this Nazi. God damn it, you know. He loved hanging out with me and smoking cigars with me because of him I really got into the cigar smoking, actually. But it was like he was really, really funny, and he would then go and start writing stuff for me when I was doing speeches, you know, and he would say,

he says, you can't go out there on a speech and start with a serious note. I said, you've got to go and say, first make the people like you. So say something funny. Right. You know, go out there and just say, you know, what you probably wonder,

what am I doing here at a medical convention in Vegas? But, you know, the Dr. Seltzer came up to me and says, I love you because you're a real good American and you believe in free speech, right? And I said, yeah, of course I believe in free speech, good, because you're going to give one in Vegas and June 14th. So then the people laugh.

And then they like you. And now whatever you say, they will like you. So there was Milton Burles kind of a thing. So he would write little jokes and little lines for me for the beginning to get to get going with the speeches here. Lucille Ball, Milton, bro, you got some good ones. From Searchlight Pictures comes Is This Thing On? Directed by Bradley Cooper and starring Canada's own Will Arnett.

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I said that were offered to me that I didn't do for whatever the reasons were. They were dismissed or they were never made or I couldn't wait, they couldn't wait for me, so they hired someone else, you know, like the rock, the movie, the rock with it, there was with the, with Sean Connery, exactly. And what's the actor's name again? Nick Cage, exactly, Nick's Cage.

And so I was going to do that, but, I mean, they couldn't wait for me because I was doing another movie first and all that stuff. So there were certain, but the one movie that I always loved, that they even would do the day. is the script that we had together where Hans and Franz finally comes to find the uncle. And then I was staying in his house. Yes. And I remember it was so funny.

Yes. And I just remember when you guys, you came to me and he said, I have to go to the bathroom. Where is the bathroom? And I said, you go down the hall and where you see the deltoid, you go left, then you see a calf, you go right. And then you see, yeah, exactly, there was all these huge sculptures of my body all over the house. And this was the direction that I gave you guys. It was just so stupid and so fucking funny. Oh, yeah.

And you had a war room we went into. It was a whole puzzle, like a monopoly game, but studios, Paramount, 20. And you had little, you're pushing pieces around. Stallone is going to do a movie over 20th century of Fox. We countered Paramount with a comedy, you know. Yeah, exactly. All of it was having fun with the. image of Arnold Schwarzenegger at that time.

And what you guys did on Saturday Night Live. Yeah. So it was the idea was that they took the Saturday Night Live idea where you were searching for me and running into different kind of situations. But here you were actually, you found me in this movie. And now it goes on from what do we do together. And so it was hilarious, the script. So, I mean, I think it still could be funny.

We read it on Conan's podcast And it's got a big reaction People really liked it It's from a different era In the sense that it's really big, funny and silly Which I don't think they make enough of those movies You can modernize it If you get a ride at the day

If you guys sit down instead of reworking it What Works Today And do it for Netflix let's say For that audience I mean imagine The smash that would be A lot of physical comedy From here to eternity

A lot of visual Come out at Christmas time or before Christmas. I mean, it would be just, it would be fantastic. I'm around, I'm around in the second. But, yeah, it was just a funny script, and you were, it was an hilarious part for you. But, you know, life is what it is.

Exactly. You know, you just keep moving on. So the chapter at the end about just giving back, you know, and you're talking about Milton Burrell, helping you, Lucy Ball. And now you must find chances, or do young movie stars look you up or ask you or give advice?

So you're a mentor of how to, I don't know. Is there anyone more successful? This will sound like I'm kissing your ass. Is there any been anyone like you in the last 40, 50 years to come to America from another country, from extreme poverty, and do all these things? And then here you are now, still going. You know, I don't know. I think that one of the people that I always admired a lot that came to America, with the age of 15, I think, was Henry Kissinger.

Yeah, and he's still around. And Henry Kissinger had an unbelievable career. Yeah. Academic career and political career. It was just a genius foreign policy kind of a guy. And all that. So look, there's a lot of people, Elon Musk and people like that that have come to this country. Remember.

Elon Musk would be a half time of the things, no matter of who it is, No matter how many there are, one thing we know for sure, that there's no other country in the world where we could have done that. No other country. I mean, if I think about, and I'm pretty much aware of the world, because I travel around, and through bodybuilding and movie promotion, and when I was governor to do trade missions all over the world and all of that stuff. But there's just no place.

And even the day, at a time when we have difficulty in America, you know, where the parties don't get along and they can't get much done and all the stuff, even during that time when I travel around, I don't see anyone coming up to me and saying, oh, Arnold, can you help me get a visa to Jordan? Oh, Arnold, can you help me to get a visa to Russia? Or can you help me to get to South Africa or something like that? No. I mean, it's all about America. I don't, please help me. Can you write a letter for the immigration office? You know, I want to get to America. I want to be in America.

So this is the number one country still by far. It's the most desirable place for people to come. It's the only place where someone like myself can come and make it and make it big and make all his dreams become a reality. And what are we doing right? Because we're pretty self-critical as a nation right now about America, but you have a perspective unique to people who are born here, tend to take it for granted.

But what are we doing right so that people can come in and have a life like you've had in America? But people can, and people do. It's just because the economic freedom? I think it is the economic freedom. I think it is just that it has its downfalls and it has its big advantages. and the advantages are more than our disadvantages.

And this is what makes us so great. Yes, we have problems and all that, but I mean, still, anyone can come still the day, to America, and really become kind of very successful. I see it all the time, in a smaller way even. I see people coming from, I see this one guy who was coming from Israel to Gorge Gym. He was working out for a while.

Then all of a sudden, he was like a personal trainer. And the next thing I know, He's driving around, driving up with the Austin Martin, and the next day with the Jaguar. And the guy is getting $100 an hour. He works 15 hours a day. 15 hours a day. He's talking about working your ass off, right?

What we talked about earlier. This guy believes in working. So he drives this fancy cars. He has nice girls around. He trains people there in the gym. He's doing exactly what he wants to do. He's from Israel. Just came over here a few years ago.

And the same is with a French guy that there's the same thing. I know this is one girl that is from Sweden, she's a personal trainer and she's making a fortunate and all this. So you, this is unlike any other place, you know, and so I think this is really the place to be and the people can be successful. And I think America should be proud of that. And you're right. When you're an American, you take it for granted.

When you're American, you sometimes don't appreciate how great this country. country really is. Yeah, and the thing that everyone has to do is, and I talk about this in the last chapter, is this country was built by hardworking man and women that have sacrificed. They're not just looking forward to the glory, but sacrificed. And I think that today's kids have to study that history because it will make them wake up and say, I cannot be this little girly man. Well, what?

Because the social media. I cannot be this guy that is staying in bed. I want to sleep in. Or I want to feel good. Oh, I want to be treated kind of fairly and nicer and stuff. No, this is a tough world. Get up at 5 o'clock in the morning, 6 o'clock in the morning, and kick some serious ass. Go to work.

Whatever you do, the day is 24 hours. You can do it. And this is how we make this country, you know, not only great, but keep it the greatest country in the world. It's by not babing ourselves and not by kind of like taking it easy and trying to sleep in. And I want to feel better and all this kind of stuff, but to kind of do the same thing as they did in the old days. Work your butt off. And it's like Ted Turner always said, you know, early to bed, early to rise, work like hell in advertise. This is where the action is.

And I believe in that, you know. but it's important to know that we got to grind it out and we cannot just always look for the pleasures, but there is punishment, there is hardship, there is failure, there is tough times that you go through, but that's all okay. We got to go and have a clear vision, chase that vision, and then there will be struggles and all that stuff.

The more struggles we have, the tougher we will get, and the more failures we have, the more we learn and the more successful we can get. I mean, remember what the Michael Jordan said, I missed 5,000 shots. And I lost, you know, 200 and some 80 games. But it became the greatest basketball player because of it. You know, what I've run.

So don't be afraid of failure is one of the chapters that I have in the book. And so I think it's hard work, not being afraid of failure, to grind it out, to have a clear vision, not listen to the naysayers, pick big goals. So this are the kind of rules that I talk about in a book because that's what we need to do in order to be successful as a person and as a country. And I think that it's in your book,

but that you just have you in the end of the day and sometimes don't look at social media too much and get tricked out that this person did nothing and as a millionaire. But what I found a few times just being driven around the country to gigs and I have first generation immigrants driving me from Russia, wherever this one Russian guy goes, I try to open business in Russia, someone stopped. I try to hire more employees. They say stop. I come to America. I start to do

same thing. No one say stop. No one told him to stop. Who are you now? Almost every time. I own the business. I just like your comedy. I drive you, Mr. Carvey. So that's the idea is it's nothing. I think the secret sauces of America, if you put the work in consistently and are willing to fail over and over again. There is some great stuff that will happen to you, emotionally, mentally, and hopefully you will experience success. It won't stop you. You're absolutely right because no one has ever said to me, you can't. They will say, I think this is impossible, or is there and they say no one has ever done it before. But no one said, I would not allow you to do that. Right. There's no such, no one said you can. You've already done four movies. It's your turn. Now you go back

who Frignaut's going to do it to win. Exactly. Yeah. There's no such thing. So I have to always say that none of it that I accomplished would have been possible if I wouldn't have been in America. Wow. Well, see this here? Yeah. See the hairs of my arms.

Actually, mine's here. Yeah. Those monstrous forearms of yours. Look at these all pumped up. How do you do it? I do a lot of push-ups. I just push-ups are my main thing if I can't get to the gym. Yeah.

But I try to, you know, I can't. Keep going. Yeah. You know, I'm just got to stay fit. I always tell people you occupy a room, but you live here. So work on this. This is where you're living. You could occupy this, but.

That's right. You can't get away, no matter where you go, there you are. Well, Arnold, you're a total recall line. Total recall. Remember until the recall, when I check in on the beginning, they say to me to sell this implant. They say, what is always the same? Wherever you go.

You. You. There you are. But here we told Recall, we're going to help you with that. You can become kind of an agent, secret agent. You can have this wonderful woman. You can do this. You can conquer the bravo.

So this is the whole thing. The whole line is about that. Do you have a favorite movie? No, because it's like, you know, it's like I love twins with any divido. But at the same time, I love, you know, Terminator. And I love, you know, Predator, True Lies. I mean, it's very hard to pick, you know, one. There's some movies that were fun to make,

like kindergarten, cop, to work with those 20 kids. That was really a lot of fun. But there's other movies that were really hard to make, like True Lies. We were shooting, like, for six months in this movie, for winter scenes and summer scenes, and the snow, in the cold, freezing cold, it was just torturous, and then 80 days,

night shooting and all that stuff. But it was a fun movie to watch. Just for the fans that are listening. At the end of Predator, you got rigged a log to kill or something. What did you say? What are you or something? I think it takes its helmet off. You're ugly.

Is that when you had the mud all over? You're one ugly motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. It was a great line. You're just almost to be dead. You're just covered in mud. You got this monster.

You're one ugly motherfucker. Come, kill me. Kill me. Do it now. Do it now. And then on the end, I said, get to the chaper! Arsenal Vista, baby! I had no idea that I would be walking around.

I would go to the Arnold Classic, to the sports festival, people screaming out, oh, get to the chopper! You know, all my lines are screaming out. It's just hilarious to watch that. I was at the Arnold Classic with you. We were backstage on the TV monitor where all the contestants out there doing their stuff. And so I just looked at the monitor, I asked you, I said, is there anyone exceptional here?

Oh, and you just lean back when, you know, look at me. Yeah, shit. Well, David, what do you've been up to? Oh, thank you. Finally. All right. We're going to take a quick break. Come back with.

No, I'm going to commercial now. No, I was going to say. It's doing a lot. You've got a game show on tomorrow. Say hi to everyone. There's Maria, who's always a fun ballbuster to me. There's Patrick, who's on the boys spinoff, right? Patrick's doing great.

Christopher, your daughters. I see all these people here and there. We did a grown-ups too. Patrick was in. And Christopher works on Tyson's podcast. Yeah. Everyone's doing great. Just hi to the family and thanks for coming down.

And it's great. Talk to you about this book. But David is very, very busy. What's that? He's very, what you were doing. He's doing a lot of stand-up. Oh, yeah. Stand-up.

I'm doing all this thing. Yeah. No, I'm crushing it. I'll send you a couple links. Yeah. Those are not hand me down. Yeah, I know. He's right off the rack.

Taylor, yeah. Hand me down's just Dana. He's like my little brother. Yeah. Let me ask you something. I mean, I know that you're doing this podcast to interview me, but I find it interesting how both of you stay so lean. Right.

Just give me a quick rundown. What makes you stay so lean? Are you disciplined with you eating or you're working out? You know what? I realized down the line at a certain point, it was my problem was more eating than working out more. So when I ate less or more thought it out more, I would lose weight faster than working out too much.

So it was cut out sugar, try to cut out some white flour. And then overall, it is like more of a lifestyle than just dieting or whatever. You really slowly have to start cutting stuff out when you get older and you can't eat as badly, do as much, this and that. and I sleep probably eight hours, Dana.

What about you? I ran track and field in high school, you know, distance running and cross country. You still do? Yeah, you still run. Yeah, I do run and I hike. I do all kinds of things. I love the burn. You know, you say, it's better than an orgasm, you know.

I love hard cardio. Sorry, that was hard orgasm. It was a bit of pumping up. It's like better. I remember that. When you get the burn, when you kick into that, it's great. I love to work really, really hard. hard. I go up at Griffith Park and I go red line really. And then I started lifting weights,

you know, in my 30s. And then I, you and I have something in common. I had a bypass that the operation wasn't done correctly, but didn't hurt me when I was 42. So, and now I'm a little older than that. But that also put me on a Mediterranean diet, basically. And so my wife and I just got all the junk out of the house. We keep all the junk out of the house. If it's not right there, don't have it. Yeah, yeah. And I weigh myself not, I'm not neurotic about it, but I just keep track. It's like a report card for me. And I'm not trying to get too thin. I just try to stay around this weight because it feels, I feel lighter on my feet. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. No, I just think that it is so important that we stay lean, even though I'm not lean. Well, you look great.

But, I mean, I'm just telling you that I always the day I got to this age now where I admire people much more when they're lean than when they're bulked up. Because I think lean is where the action is. You know, because, you know, the body just, no, but the body just is, it lives longer when you're lean. Yeah. I look at my dogs. You know, the dogs that usually, the bigger dogs, they wipe out with the age of 12, 13, 14.

I have this little dog, you know, noodle, a little dog like this. It's like 14 and a half years old, runs around, jumps up. every bench and just still attacks all the other dogs when they're nasty just the teeth and has full of energy but it's little yeah yeah he's going to live for the next you know i'm more like noodle i think it's just amazing no i'm noodle and i'm just i yes i'm comparing them because it doesn't matter if you're an animal or if you're a human being being leaner and being lighter is means the longevity means that you're around the long time Okay. Can I do 10 push-ups now and have you analyze just my form?

Just to start. We move both. My form. I will too. You can do it. Yeah, he's taking the mic with him. Taking the mic on so I can talk to the guy. Okay, let's see it. David, do you want me to hold it? Do you want me to hold your butt? No, I'll go down to hurt it. Okay. So it depends where I want. Here comes Dana. He's doing.

Basically. So I'm in the push-up position. Looks a little girly man right now. One. Shaking. Two. Two. three, four, five, six, seven, no pauses, eight, nailing it. Nine, ten. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Get the oxygen. It was fantastic. It was very, very strict. And what was good about it was that your body stayed absolutely flat. Right. You didn't buckle in at the waistline like a lot of people

do and stuff like that. You got to keep your glutes on. You just said with like a board straight. Totally flat. That's the greatest compliment. Yes. Yeah. So that's what I do. And I do lap poles. I do stuff for the back.

Yeah, yeah. And mobility is all the rage now. I think it's great. Hip mobility. Yeah. All right. Well, good job. Anyway, good to see you guys.

All right with the book. It's great. Thank you for your help with the book and all that stuff. I really appreciate that. The book is great. And we will stay in touch. Yeah, of course. Always fun to see you, buddy.

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