Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - RE-RELEASE - Bill Hader

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

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So check them out, folks. See if you like it. Dana, we got Bill Hader. One of our all-time favorites, I have to say. And for most of the audience that likes SNL, he hear his name pop up a lot in those you know sort of first ballot he's in the conversation he's in the conversation is a high qual right we love to you know use numbers he's number seven he she's number three but let's just say he's in the conversation he's up

there of the of the pant there and very humble uh a nice guy. I see him outside of the podcast sometimes. Yeah. Good, good dude, grounded. We went to the same. Community College. Hilarious. Oh, I know. That is funny. And I didn't know. And it's so funny how many years could go by where I went to the most random Scottsdale Community College. And it really, Scottsdale Community College, Scottsdale Community College, Scottsdale Community College, Scottsdale Community College, comes up a lot on this podcast from different sources. Got Stale. It's bumping.

The art of chokes. That's what our mascot is. It's not a joke. And the team always artichoked. Yeah, we did. I don't think they're top that much anything. I hit a chord there. Yeah, it stung a little bit.

But Bill has so many characters in SNL along with everything else he's been doing. But I like the one where he plays the Vietnam Vet that has a puppet. Yeah, he's got so many. He's extremely funny. We do get into it, and it was sort of interesting to hear him go into it more than I've heard about it, that he had big-time panic attacks before he go out on. And we all had a version of panic attacks. At that terrifying cauldron at S&L 8-H.

Yeah, before you go out there, you know, two minutes, you know, cast for Frankenstein's baby, you have three minutes. And we all get like, ah, you know. But he apparently was really, really had to manage that, you know. And they'd go out there and crush. But yeah, it's interesting. Well, let's stop boring everyone and then bore Bill with when we board him. Our goal was to make the intro longer than the actual podcast.

We're doing pretty good. We did pretty good. Yeah. Here's our good friend, Billy Hater. We should let Bill talk at some point in this, but not. like right away. Oh, it's okay. I like watching you guys. You've talked enough, right? Yeah. This is a conversation. Bill Hater. Hang on. We're not narcissists, but you can ask us questions, too. Yeah. This is a get curious. This is one of a discussion. Oh, I'm moderating. Oh,

that's how your podcast goes. I moderate. Yeah. Discussion between you two. About your relationship and your time. Bill Hader. Look at how much I prepared. I know I was like Bill Hader I know the name Yeah And I know his game

I know This fucking dude He's got some game Dana This motherfucker broke all the rules Yeah And I love him for it The rules are

Every Every fucking guy Holding his dick Walking into a boss Says I'd like to direct And everyone goes Yeah

Yeah Here's what you do kid you put on the makeup you dance like a clown they pay you you dance you're a clown you he goes no what no i'm not i'm fine i'm martin scorzzi no you're a fucking bozo to a fucking clown now get this fucking movie from paramount we'll give you 20 lodge up front so bill says all right go ahead bill oh my god um mr michaels i would oh was that was it Lauren asking you to a uh character movie yeah I think Warren wanted he wanted to do a character movie yeah maybe the summer maybe when you're on break maybe well it was just there was a hard it was a hard one to do he wanted to do

a Stefan one and then I think John Mullaney and I were like it didn't work as a sketch that's a good reason you know what I mean we're like it died it died at twice at the table and then we We did it, you know, a couple of times a dress and it was terrible, you know, it just, it was low energy weird thing. Yeah. That never worked. And so then it was like, oh, okay. And, you know. Well, let's just shoot it and look at the whole movie and see.

We can burn it. If it doesn't work, we can burn it. And if you get a little burned or singed, it happens. And we'll take it outside and Marcy will set it on fire. We've done this before. We said it on fire. Get the wizard lighter fluid on my desk next to the certs. Lauren. I'm going to fly, Lauren. I fly now. I'm, Marcy, you don't fly.

Look at the book of Lauren, page seven, the stuff on movie. The book of Lauren. The way, did you guys have things? Yeah. Yeah, we had like, yeah, we can do a movie. And then we were like, well, it doesn't work as a sketch. It kind of just works on update, you know. It went from a sketch to update or update to a sketch. it went it did not work as a sketch and then it was Doug ables who was running update going I need something what about that club kid thing you did give me that thing that bombed do you still have it you know what I mean it's on my desk get it in here no that that's very yeah yeah

well updates a little less pressure in a weird way it's just you doing it directly and if they buy it they buy it you have to rely on it yeah it worked better when it was like because yeah I don't know do you guys remember it's just like I remember it weird shit just didn't but just that feeling of like oh i got a low energy weird thing right this isn't and how do you do that in a 90-minute corporate funny vehicle yeah yeah you can we couldn't even take hans and fronds off their set we go we got to get them off their set so we put them on it in a campground scene with al frankin death oh you know sketch what about the movie then we got him on the set and then we're pointing no we had the movie written hans and fron's

the girly man dilemma but that went that that's that would have been good i think that would have been good though wait let's get back to bill you tried it you tried taking them off the set and it didn't work no i put church lady wrote a sketch you guys do that all that happens all the time where you go like yeah let's not do the same thing over and over again right and you realize like no that's what they like is seen yeah well it's like they go Dana they go hans and franz here you're on the gym for 19 sketches and they put you in in like a store and they're like who the fuck are these two people like no one even understands the sketch yeah not cool put them in the fucking gym i know the jokes and i will laugh i know how to do this but you're you're at home

base you're screaming at the audience right behind the camera yeah you couldn't mind you lose this and then we're over in the corner in eight eight in a quiet campground see you like another vina snitcher nothing you like some smores so i think it was why i think Stefan is brilliant but i think it might have been a wise decision that would have been a challenge the sketch did not work i mean it just never worked you know bill uh you can hear your footfalls on the you know that it was one of those things right here if i like place the glass on a table on the sketch you can hear it's loud it was just dying it's like oh that's the tiniest well bill your next question to us is was there a gap girls movie which is a good fair question there was not um but there was some

There was... Did you guys do a gap, bro? You got scared, you go, did you do one? Uh-oh, I didn't see it. Uh, no, we didn't write it, but... He got scared. We're not getting scared. I bet I, I know it didn't happen.

No, it didn't happen, but it was sort of when I thought movies were very easy to come by because I was delusional because one summer we did Tommy Boy, Lauren had a deal with Paramount. It was sort of easy, like, and the next summer, why don't you guys do Black Sheep? We're like, great. And then next summer, maybe you guys could do Gap Girls movie. And the things that had against it were me writing it, which is probably the first thing. Hey, come on now. I was running out of sketch ideas that were four minutes long.

So I remember we did one about Jeopardy because Gapertie just sounded like a funny name for a sketch. And then, but there was no sketch. And so I go, me Farley and Adam are the contestants, it'll be funny. And Courtney Cox was a host. And we have to ask her about that because. shit that was the first time i wrote something and i was so joyous that it was on and i was uh just your name on it that's just so yeah for gaps girls and then um and then i do it and corny goes i don't i don't really i don't really have a thing to play as the host and i was like oh i didn't think

about any other care you know it's so rude like i'm i'm so worried about our shit and trying to get far lay to make sure everything he says is in all caps what was your catchphrase for gap girls What was your catchphrase? I don't know if there was one. I mean. The thing everybody remember, it was lay off me. I'm starving. Starving.

Starving. That was my proudest writing moment was that one because that one worked. Destroyed. Yeah. And also in that one, Bill, there was a, in rehearsal, it says, you know, like we're at the mall at the food court and then we see the girls from Donut. Everyone knows this guy. I mean, I don't even know why I'm explaining it. And Schneider comes in with Sarah Gilbert as Donut huts sluts.

And we argue with them, obviously. There's a rivalry. And then at the end of the week, and they go, we'll see you guys Friday. And then it goes away to a card. It says three days later of the mall. And then it comes back. And then rehearsal, I go, isn't it weird? We're all wearing the same thing we did three days later.

And we laugh. So I go, hey, Adam, on the live show, I go, when we do that, when we come back, I'm going to say that and you say, I don't. think we are and I go trust me we are because it's only five seconds of real time and so we added that which is fun and then lay off me I'm starving Farley fucking

Nailed and then I said we can't do a movie I'm out that's it I don't want to work nails no this is this is going to bring it back I'm going to bring it back Hey hold on David what was the one where you said you were the contestant on a thing and you said

oh sweet That was Keith Weber Spaz Oh my god I get in my Sherrocco Shurrako It's gonna be three It's gonna be three

God dang Oh what we do for money Is that an Arizona Wait real quick Is that an Arizona dude Or is that No that was just Yeah I had a guy

That used to I guess in class And so When you get a sign A sketch They go can you be sort of A whatever whatever So that one

It sounded funny Because I don't really do Big Character and that one sounded funny. And my friend had a Chiraco and it was all whited out. And it was very cool. And I white rings everything. Shoraco over at SCC.

Oh, yeah, that's where I just did a, I just got no, I just did it of talk at SCC. Oh, you did? We went to the same community college, Dana. But I got stale. Yeah. I went out of state to go to a community. It's the funniest stories from Oklahoma, right? And then you...

From Oklahoma to Arizona. And I went to Arizona to the Art Institute of Phoenix because my grades were so bad and they didn't care. And then when I was there, a guy there was like, you know, at Scottsdale Community College, they're shooting stuff on film. And I went, oh, this is in whatever, 97 or something when shooting on video was lame.

And so we went there and, yeah, and they were like, you know, David's... Yeah, I went there because they had tennis. It was a little different. but what was the mascot of Scottsdale community the artichokes okay the artichokes okay the artich that's hysterical and then i worked on mill avenue at a movie theater i worked at centiport oh i love it yeah down in 10thage as an usher or running the film or what were you doing i did the i was an usher and i looked at the time i looked like charles mann and i was like a long beard and long hair with the

cumber bun and comber bun so the idea when you're the type of us who would then when there wasn't many people around just sit in on movies would be that kind of guy? I was sit and watch movies. The guy that this guy I worked with and you had this whole thing

about like you can't bring food into the theater outside food into the theater and I became like really obsessed with nailing people because it was just fun and feel like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no. You know, I was just like

and this one dude was, I forget his name, but he was such a like, just kind of a stoner guy and we were out I was by the concession stand and this guy came in with a wedding cake just a sit

ticket stub in his mouth and he was like hey can I put this in the back I was just going to go see a movie so one I'm like who brings a wedding cake to a movie and two I was like went to this stoner guy I'm like did you not see the guy with the fucking wedding

or his tickets and you put the stuff in his mouth he was like oh yeah man you know i you know the guy seemed uh you know he had a cake yeah i just i just saw spider man and the guy goes the usher goes you know they like overhelp he goes i'll walk you to the theater i go i think i got it and he goes three hours dude and i go oh immediate buzzkill i go oh it is he goes yeah and he goes and at the end all the spider man's guy go hey don't be like spoiler guy just let me get in there take it down a pack Yeah, fucking guy.

Hey, go. You know, come on. What are you, the false ending guy? Something? And he's going down the river like Kurtz. Colonel Kurtz is a great, Dennis, one of his go-to. Like, Colonel Kurtz. Up there in the cave.

Going down the river like Kurtz. Getting that sponge on his head in the cave, shooting for the Oscar, right? Like the sheen cat hides in the shallows, okay? I have all these sketches of, bills i want to go over but uh i want well while we're here in his youth uh because we'll kind of maybe we can go hey we're just making this up but i we know you're a filmophile so you go to the theater you're seeing films that just do you remember the first film because i could say 2001 for me in a theater or on television the first film or tv show where when you went holy

shit what the fuck is this um you know it was like always like it was at a sleep of over at this kid's house and his older brother was like, we were 12 and like, you know, the 15-year-old older brother came in and was like, I'm going to show you this movie taxi drive. Whoa. Wow. And we all were like, what, you know? That's heavy.

Oh, dude, we can't be watching this, you know? And it's like, this is really intense. But there was a scene in that movie where with all the violence and stuff in it, there's a scene where Robert De Niro takes civil shepherd to a porno movie that's still like, one of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen in a thing ever. It's just impossible to watch and not. It's so bad. It's so sad.

But then afterwards, he calls her and it's him on a pay phone in a hallway, seeing if she got these flowers, he sent her. And he's like, I didn't know you didn't like those kind of movies or whatever. It was so embarrassing to watch. And then as it was happening, the camera just dollied off of him as he's talking. And I thought, oh, wow, the movie doesn't want to watch. watch this. Like, it was like, oh, you're allowed to do that. Like, unlocked this thing in my head where I was like, so it was weird, this weird night where these dude, this older brother thought he was kind of

like, you know, fucking us up or whatever. And instead I got like really jazzed by that. It was hard after that to be like, let's watch the natural. Yeah. You know, like whatever movies my friends wanted to watch. It was like, no, I want to. But that's so interesting that you think they just show like, when I see movies they show that guy and then you cut and show that guy talking and even dolly shots are weird and then you fade off them and in your head to think

oh it's because he's boring and it's odd and it's getting extra and you go oh yeah are you allowed to do that and then yeah it's like an emotional thing it was like it felt intuitive emotional and it was like oh I don't want to watch this so let's just

let's give them some space could I could I Oh, that's so cool. Connect the dots on that, a teeny bit with you, Bill. I was watching the episode where you're going to go kill the guy, ends up being a martial artist, and then you have a fight with the daughter on Barry. Well, when you come in and we know he's the mark, he come in, and you stay on him a long time, and we just hear your voice talking about it's not going to happen,

it's going to be okay, but there's no shot of you at that point. I don't know. It just reminds me, it had some visceral emotional. Yeah, you kind of like, yeah, it was like an instinctive thing of like, oh, you don't know what he's looking at. And then the reveal that I'm in this like weird costume. Spider-Man almost or something. Yeah, that's weird like one of the guys, you know, terrorists at Munich games or something. Like you get this weird look.

And then, but yeah, you know, but yeah, that's what I mean. You kind of go like, well, it takes a while to get that kind of confidence to do that. crew looks at you like you're nuts. You're not doing coverage? What? Yeah. We ended up shooting a two shot of us because the DP and other people were like, I don't get this. And I just went, okay, we'll shoot this.

And then you get in the edit and say, well, I kind of want it this way. Well, I think, yeah, that's Barry, which we'll get to in a little bit. But so as you're going along, just a few more touchstones, what Deer Hunter are you like kind of the darker kind of films yeah those kind of movies were always there's a movie last detail with jack nicholson that was halashby and and and and um judd apato talked about that yeah i love that film yeah jud directed that hey uh bill what about jack what about jack he goes he goes just like you know i think my balls hurt You know, last detail, yeah, they had the big God, Mike.

Randy, Randy, before you, no, no, no, no, Randy, look at him and be like, oh, geez, I guess I got my semen all over the place. Think of your gun as a horse's cock. Your gun is like a horse's cock. It does a thing and it doesn't land. There's always a pause. And then he goes, you know. Judd said deer hunter could have been a half.

half hour longer. No, but I... Really? No, I'm kidding. But I saw... I would have... What about in taxi? He makes fun of that.

We make fun of it. Because I showed my HBO special, my new Netflix specials, an hour six. He goes, I think it could be two hours. Let me see it. I go, well, no, there's not even that many, not that much material. I'll find it. But what about a taxi driver that stood out to me? This is the tiniest thing.

But when he's embarrassing going, the thing... the thing that says, I've got to get organized. Organized, yeah, the card. And she's like, what? Oh, yeah, I got to get organized. That's on his wall. No, it's like, yeah, I've got to get organized. That was something from my mom had.

Oh, yeah, yeah. And then he's like, it's like, it's thing that's like, I get organized. And she's like, and then he buys her a record that she says she already has. Like, the whole thing is just so awkward. We were like, dude, just like, stop. Stop. Stop it. this is so sad and you're you're 12 watching that 12 watching this the girls are like a total

mystery to me and I'm like okay don't do any of this right I thought it was like a lesson in how to do it yeah but I told Dana I saw Tommy when I was 12 remember Tommy and it scared me and I had a stomach ache yeah I wasn't ready for the beans the the the scene in Tommy with all the I remember the scene of the beans where isn't it like Anne Margaret or someone Makes no sense scared me Oh acid queen When she threw

The guy got fire and it burned his face At the beginning With Tina Turner I don't know what the fuck I just saw grease before that I'm like what's going on here Let's keep it light guys Yeah

Yeah no that one was rough What's going I was like a lot of those Yeah but I also like You know like love jaws Oh, yeah. Perfect, perfect movie. The Godfather and, you know.

Never, never, can watch that any day of the week, Godfather. What about Alien? How did you find Alien? Like once upon a time in the West. Oh, yeah, with Henry Fonda. Henry Fonda, where he's a bad guy. I'm gonna shoot you right now by the last thing I ever do. I'm Henry Fulner.

Now that you said my name, he shoots a kid. Oh, you saw a kid? Yeah, he shoots a kid. Yeah, the old gunslinger, one of those, This guy goes, we got them all, right? When he says his name, and he goes, well, now that you've said my name, and he turns around and shoot a kid and you're like, Jesus Christ. I was like, geez, let's relax.

Yeah. Sergio. Yeah, I like all those 70s movies. And then a big one, you know what a big one I saw in the theater was? And it's a weird one was I took a girl to go, like my first like, you're going with somebody date okay date yeah and she wanted to go see father the bride with stea martin and i took her to go see barton fink oh all right that was she was like okay thanks well uh we we never really need to speak not a panty dropper yeah was i was like damn

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And he's one of those guys That read through with the 55 scripts He's one of those incredible cold readers You know That's a thing that's so difficult I don't know how people do that I remember and did you guys ever have people Who were terrible at the table

Yes You were like this is going to be a bloodbath And then We're just amazing Like they came in and they were like, oh, they're just not good cold readers or they kind of save it. Well, something happens when they're up in front of a live audience

that it suddenly place and you're like, oh, get out of the way. Yeah. I think there's a gradient scale. I mean, you could go to some mild dyslexia or whatever's going on, but some people can read it. Like Dennis Miller and Phil Hartman could look at a cue card and just grab it so fast. And they never would stumble a little bit.

But even good readers, it's such a task to not trip up a word reverse the work i tripped over stuff constantly i i did the my sixth show i played vincent price yeah and lauren one of my favorites came up to me loren came up to me right before the band's playing and i'm you know my sixth show and yeah i'm sweating yeah like i'm like oh i'm i'm dana you talked about like i would have a full-blown panic attack before every show i would go went to that bathroom that was by the big makeup area. There was a boys and girls. There was a bathroom way at the end of the hall.

Yes. Right after the meeting before it was like, and Lauren would be like, you know, this week, you know, we're about to go on break and people are going to say it was a good show or a bad show, you know. So it'd be really, really nice if it was like really good. I love that about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you panic attack in there,

just for a second. So you go and you sit down, you're by yourself. Are you just hyperventilating? Okay. I go into a stall standing up and I would just hyperventilate. I'll be honest, cry a little bit. Oh, of course. Shaking.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Just have like a full. And then the thing was that Jenna, who was our stage manager when I was there, who's one of my favorite human beings on the planet, is great. But she had, I think, part of your job when you're, when you knew that, you should be a little calm before air. You'd be like, five minutes to air.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, it's two. Five minutes to air! Like her boy shaking and I'm going, I'm going to have a panic attack. Yeah. I was in Vincent Price and it was like the second sketch after monologue and I'm sitting there and I'm like about to pass out and Lauren goes, I like this, but why now? Very Lauren.

And then we did it. And if you watched the very first one, even Lengoria, I think was the host, I stumble the first minute. I stumble over like every other line. Wow. I'm so like discombobulated and wait,

what did that mean? And what did I just say? Well, also new cast is hard to get the cards down. It's not so simple. You know, it takes a while. How to look at it.

Of course, you were the host on that, but do you think this is kind of like unhealthy? what we did there. But, I mean, I end up having a botch bypass a couple of years after. I mean, when you're, what was our blood pressure in our first few shows? No, I have like a weird autoimmune thing that affects the retina of my left eye. And I've gone to so many people about it.

I've lost a vision in this eye, like all this stuff. And everybody's like, really? I'm like, could stress have caused this? And they're like, well, yeah. You weren't on Saturday Live, were you? You're like, yes. Are you on Saturday Live? How many stents do you have?

David, did you have any sort of post-traumatic health issues or did you have any anything that? It stunted my growth for sure. I'm 5'7. But I will tell you that before, you were just saying, when I was on the 8th floor, I would go by the elevators and take a left and there's a bathroom back there. And I would just stand there and look at my script and that stall and just go, oh my God, and G. would come in and go out and everyone would he come with this full amp and I'm like not here

he was the coolest no one no one knows how loud it is in that room when you're when you're like doing the actual show and the band kicks in you can't hear anything it's crazy so I would get really sickened and I think when I moved to New York I was this fun kid from Arizona and I was of course smashed down because I didn't have any nutrients I didn't know what carbs were back then so it was pizza it was pasta i didn't have a glass of water for six years i didn't um it was diet coke and then my hair got brown because i didn't know it could get brown but it was dark no sun yeah there's sun 10 minutes a day when it's like the buildings are straight up and the sun's directly at noon and so i just and i got like sort of gray uh and i felt weak and sickly i was like

powder you know the movie powder so i was i'm sort of that guy And then I wasn't really, if I look at it now of how much I pay attention to eating and food and what goes in and I did not at all then. And then add all the stress of like, I don't know if I'm ever going to be in show business. I can't barely make it here. And it's just so much every day. You got to, that's all you think about. It had to affect something. I mean, it's sort of my own doing, but it had to affect something.

The first church chat, I popped a tooth. You know, well, isn't that? Really? No, I made that up. I made that. I would believe. I would believe it too. I know, because I'm just thinking it's like...

Wasn't the first church at your first show and it became the cold open? Yeah, it became the first sketch after update. I was in a cold open with Phil and Jan and I didn't even know I was in the cold open in essence, but then the church lady was the first and there's church chat. People care. But her hand came up, his hand, my hand,

that character's hand. Sorry, I have the dress in the closet. And it was drenched in sweat. It was pure... And yet to be that a dreamer... that blood pressure, heart pounding, and then pretend to be relaxed was such a difficult thing. But I want to go over some of your seminal incredible sketches, but just quickly, the acclamation point for me, I believe in a way I was maybe the best I was on the show,

like my last two shows. I mean, I think it took me five years to get, to have fun. Put it that way because I see the panic attacks but when I saw and I've said this to you and Fred Armisen you know Batman and you guys I always connected you too because all the great stuff you did is that I said how do you guys seem to be having so much fun that last season and you said well we knew it was our last season so we kind of in a good way didn't give a fuck and then you have fun and then you're great so that process did happen for you right at some point you got calm yeah I mean it was still nervous I was still going to the yeah bathroom's all, but I wouldn't like have, it was more like what David's saying, you would have

your script and you would just kind of read through your stuff and just have a quiet moment by yourself and then be like, all right, let me center myself. But then, yeah, Fred was so loose on the show. I never saw him get nervous. And so he a lot of times, and I'm also a very soft touch. Like I can I, I break constantly. So I think that was what. that he would bring to it. He loved to break you, yeah. Well, just also is a way of like... His commitment.

Yeah. It was just his, so he would... But he would just do little things. It was never big things. Yeah. Like, he did a sketch, he wrote, called them. Short-term memory feeder. Oh, I saw that.

And the whole thing is, I'm the doctor who's worked with all these patients and we're going to run a play. And you'll see that none of these people forget their lines because they had short-term memory loss. But I help them. You keep hammering at home. There's absolutely no way they will.

I hammer it home. They will not, you mark my word, they will not miss a single, single line. And then then 80 Bryant comes out and immediately goes up on her lines and I have to cue her. And that's the bit is that I'm queuing everybody. I just watched that. It's so fucking hilarious. Fred, it's supposed to be in the 40s, like a, you know, like an Arthur Miller play or something. And Fred, to fuck with me, came in in a present-day New York Johnny jacket.

I saw that And he goes And then I said Give me the jacket And he said Is the playover Dude I wrote down Something from that

Because you go Because I just watched And I was laughing And Vince Vaughn is in it too Right Vince Vaugh And you go You go

It has my keys in it You go Jana has everyone's keys because they're all obviously they can't be without their shit I thought it was so funny and then I watched five years in a row that were home runs

and this is a I kept going you have to laugh in this one when you were doing the one where you're fucking screaming as a fireman I was like I didn't know where it was going and you start going crazy I go there's no way

you kept saying what and you oh yeah that was that was a John Solomon and Rob Klein wrote that one. And I don't know where it came from. It was just one of those great things where you come to the table.

It's a fucking home run. And they're like, yeah, we went nuts last night. You're this like very effeminate firefighter that's mad that your girlfriend's there with. Adam Levine. And you know, Jim Downey was there and Jim Downey was laughing really hard. For sure. When he was losing his mind during that sketch. and then we came into a dress rehearsal

and then we came into the meeting before air and they had all the cards up and Downey started crying laughing and I was like, why is Downey laughing? That's interesting. And he goes, the name of that sketch is the firehouse incident. Yeah, that's the funniest part for him.

And he goes, he goes, it's so needlessly mysterious. Yeah, Jim does have that capacity to identify exactly. Why, it's funny. He was like, because it's needlessly mysterious. And we were just, that's my memory of doing that show as being in the meeting, just crying.

Oh, to make Downey laugh is big. Also, I thought it was, when everyone plays it straight, Adam Levine, I'll give it to him to. When everyone plays the straight, it's so hilarious. And it's, it's asking a lot of everyone to, A, not laugh and B just played straight. And then I think, Sissly, if someone comes over and goes out of nowhere, Hey, I guess they just canceled the B in apartment C, and you go, what? The B and C?

Not the B and C. Oh, my God. I think I grab a dog and I want to, you'll open a window and they all say, no. You fit to tax you. And then the dog attacks me. Yeah. Yeah. And we're not.

That was one of those ones where it's just like a gift that the writers were like, I don't know what happened. but we've they wrote another one with me where I was like this guy in the the guy in a puppet class yeah I was like oh shit Anthony Coleman yeah and that was another one where you go to the table and there's like a sock puppet on your pile of scripts uh-huh with a little note on it like nice you know puppet class could you use this please John and Ron hysterical and you're like figuring it out as you go along those guys my last season because Malaney had left and John Solomon and Rob Klein wrote they really wrote some great stuff for me that I mean those two right there are like by the way I was I was wondering during

puppet class how it must be a little hard to get your lines get the puppet get them to kiss get around and try to kiss you know and everything you had to do was like two things going on once and make sure the cameras on your face and then the puppets say they had to do that so those can be complicated and then it comes off without a hit Yeah, that one, the most difficult thing, everybody was like, oh, was it making the puppet smoke? And that was, you know, those things were like, they cut to someone else. And then you have, was Flanagan there with you guys? The guy who made shit, I got Flanagan.

No. Anyway, Flanagan was the guy who made the puppet. He would be there. And then all the, they're hooking shit up to you real fast. Yeah, yeah. You know, and you're like, oh, Jesus, this is a, you know. And then, yeah, they, what they don't. don't see is the guys are all like on the floor right at you know your feet right yeah it's

complicated it was one of the things where the smoke came out you're like oh thank god that fucking works yeah yeah doesn't work all during the week yeah they're doing like that sh sh shhs you're like oh Jesus Christ please yeah we we had barf ones where they put the barf in a tube up your arm and then i think it was fred wolf wrote one where maybe it was Gallic Baldwin and every cop that walks up to the scene and goes, God damn. And then they go, whee, and then they start barping. They would come out before

you can get it. Yeah, and it's even funnier, but if it doesn't come out, it sucks. Yeah, and there's a guy pumping next to him going, give a more gas Joe, and you're like, and we're live. We can't. Give more gas. Yeah. I had a host once, right? I had a puppet. It was a different sketch, but I had a puppet that was

supposed to throw up on a host. And the host was angry about it. The host didn't like that the between dress and air and the meeting, they were like, oh, and hey, can we do something about that puppet? You know, and the host sounds off and everybody's like, excuse me? Oh, no. Well, the writer who wrote that, I was like, you know, second year cast member.

So I was like, oh, geez, yeah, sure, sorry, you know. But the guy I wrote it with, it was his last show. So he was just quiet. Did he go, hey, fuck you. We're doing it. We go over and we're doing the sketch. And I see him talking to the special effects guys. And the guys are pumping the water thing.

And it was like, you know, when you have like a pellet gun. The last couple. Just getting hard. So we're doing the sketch and I go to pick this thing up. And I pick up the puppet and it's vibrating. It's so full, ready to go. It's explode. And I was like, oh, Jesus.

and on air this stuff it was like a fire hose just like this guy right in the face i was like and he's expecting nothing now instead of a little bit he's expecting like a water fountain yeah he actually said oh i want like a drinking fountain like a little right and it's like it hits so hard that the puppet flew off the and so it's just the nozzle of the on the air show yeah yeah oh i have to give you like speaking of all that kind of stuff because it's hard sometimes to get all this shit on you when you're during a show so you got a wig

but you did one with like a Hollywood type of show with Scarlett Johansson and Kristen Whig and Scarlett Johansson first of all is an unsung hero she's kind of a sleeper because every sketch I see her in

she's great in yeah she's awesome yeah she's really committed and she kills it and then that one was just a funny one where you two were acting like idiots and it was just another surprising sketchbook

yeah it was the thing of you guys have done it where people interview you, and then while you're talking, they can't talk. Yeah. Right. And you explain that you can't overlap. Yeah,

so I was, and it's like, making faces. You know, and they're mouthing words and stuff. And so Kristen and I, I think, had done press for something

and we were doing that the whole time. And then it was like, oh, we should probably write that, you know. Right. And you also had some different moves in it, though.

So it wasn't like, just that it started to change up you know what the one you saw probably i don't know if it was that one because we did that one a couple times i don't know if you guys have ever had this happen where at dress there was a thing where i'm drinking a slurpy and someone says something shocking and i go and i like throw the slurpy full giant big gulp right into wig's face yeah and she just has tons of slurpy over and then i throw a thing on her head so we did it at dress perfect of course on air fully miss her it goes in front of her doesn't hit her at all oh my god and i can the only sound and doesn't get a laugh because everybody was like oh something went wrong

and i can hear Lauren it's so bad when you're at home base and i can hear Lauren under the bleachers going oh shit and didn't Kristen break did she did she break on that sketch no no I don't Oh, no, there's another one maybe. What you see now is dress. Like, so he was like, and I got done, he was like, West Coast will see dress. Oh, good. Okay.

Well, you did a spit take in her fucking grill, too, which was high hysterical. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You realize those are all the things that work, you know? I get to Estenol, and I'm like, oh, I'm going to have these really cerebral, weird faith. And it's like, now what works is spitting in someone's face. funny funny with the sound off never

never fails with the sound off is perfect exactly what about her Welch oh that was based on a that was John Mullaney never wrote that that was great a a guy we all kind of know in a way the guy should have retired a long time ago

the video yeah out of the field it was like a YouTube video where the guys they got an argument on on air and the guy what did you say Yeah, that one was also from the combination of that And then I was having to play

I always got cast as like reporters or games Why is it? Like Phil Hartman was our guy doing that, you know? I was always the guy that was like, we need a set up so they'll put me in going like, I'm here now at this school, you know, whatever. Yeah. So we were rehearsing with Emma Stone

and for that sketch and I had a microphone and I was just like hitting people with it. Hitting her in her and I was hitting a wig and just fucking around with it. And then again, I'm not, I go, oh, that's fun. And Malini was like, we should maybe write that up. Oh, yeah.

Like he was the guy that would go, what if we did that as a sketch? And I was like, oh, oh, is that what we do here? Oh, okay. Yeah, Emma, again, good in that. And everyone was good. you go over, but did you only do that once

or did you do that a bunch of times? So funny. We did it with I saw Emma. And then when I hosted the first time, I did it. Oh, so you've done it too much, actually.

It has an improvisational vibe to it. You know what's the funny thing about Herb Welch was, this gave me a really interesting insight into TV critics was there was someone who would write because when I was there at the after party, everybody's on their phone. Oh. People are writing about the show.

Wow, we did not have that. Yeah. So we would all, everybody is at their table going, so and so at this site hates it. So and so. Oh, that fast. Wow.

We got a seven out of ten on the AV club. Couchpotato.com. And you're just like, oh my God. And there was one guy who would do a scorecard every show. Oh. And everybody would read of the scorecard. of and he at the end of the season did his year roundup and he was like favorite sketch least favorite sketch and his least favorite character was her no he doesn't know what this is terrible

it's racist and it's racist and misogynistic and terrible and i'm like well he's like an ancient asshole i don't think it's pro that yeah the sketch isn't pro him um but it's a grumpy old man I don't feel men, but then a year later, I was doing press for something, and they brought a guy in, and it was the guy that he wrote this. So I'm talking about another thing with him. And then as he leaves, he goes, hey, can I tell you what character of yours I really love? I love her well. What?

What? And I go, all right. Wait a minute. On the table, man. I got to be honest. You said he was the worst character in the, you know, that year. or whatever. And he goes, yeah, yeah, a guy I work with read that and was like kind of bummed out. And he goes, no, you should check it out. You know, really watch it. And I watched it again.

I was like, oh, yeah, this is good. So we're suffering. That kind of gave me a whole. I was like, oh, this is how it is with this show. You know what I mean? Like it's like, it's, it was like that day that at that moment, the guy hated it. And now a year later, he's like, oh, it was really nice and then the opposite will happen or someone the thing they love and you run into them they're like actually I watch that again it doesn't age well you know or whatever yeah well isn't it fun I just about because I saw it this morning too just seeing it again which I love when I saw it first of all it's it's low energy in a way like it's it's the opposite of the firehouse incident yeah it's getting huge laughs so then you have the task of uh I don't

if you could do it now but Kristen Whig is trans or something and then you go herb goes with the mic over her body. Oh, over and over. And so that, like, did you, was that choreograph? Like I'll do bum, bump, bump, bump, bump, bump, because the crowd's going crazy. Are you going a little bit more on the air show because? I think probably a little bit more. I started laughing because when I hit her in the crotch, wig made a sound.

Right. So that she did a little sound and I started laughing. So you looked away a couple times. I looked away because she went, mm-hmm, like that. And so instead of breaking in front of the crowd, you just looked away and came back and for a second because she was.

But yeah, you're right. We probably, yeah, you couldn't do that now. Well, a lot of those. Yeah, a lot of those. Yeah, a lot of those stuff. I had Ching Change, you know, in 1988. I mean, there's stuff down he wrote for us that. No.

No. Even at the time, I was like, Jesus Christ, I don't know about this. All right. went downy goes there's just something in the like he's something about there's something very something about it's very precious it's a little too precious this is something very funny about when you when you say this line you want to go up and then when you go this one now he's kind of he's kind of this thing you know it's like it's it out with you and get it's that whole thing

it's just more the idea yeah I know he was good with rhythms yeah I mean I you know I really like downy but yeah he yeah he would really go it was you know He goes some places. He was always goading me on Hollywood Minute to go harder. He goes, you're a pussy. You're not doing this. Don't act like you're doing it. And I go, I'll do it.

And he goes, no, you won't. Don't even talk about it. And I sit there and go, I go, first of all, you're the guy that's going to fire me. Yeah, exactly. And it's like, you don't have to go out there and do it. He's my boss. And then he wants me to do it. But he'd be like, hey, bad news, I have to fire you over that joke.

But I would say, Dana, I'm just jumping around. but when you said Bill that you were good the last year when you were telling everyone you were really good on the show the last year earlier last two, three, whatever whatever is...

I'm joking, but you got more relaxed and I think the idea of that I wanted to jump in from 10 minutes ago is that I think you guys are in the same spot maybe not as much Dana or Bill but I never knew if I was coming back and every summer he'd say

I don't know if he's right for the show, but we don't know if we're going to bring him back to me about me. And then they would at the last minute. And so you can't relax in that situation. And that's fair. It's a business. He doesn't know. And if he wants to cut me like a baseball team,

he doesn't want to have a long-term deal. So I'm, you know, going check-to-check going if I don't get on for three shows or don't score, this is it. It's curtains. and so maybe you or possibly in that same position where it's your last year, you don't really care

because there's no high stakes anymore. You're going anyway. Yeah, I mean, I will also say, and you guys had this. I mean, you did Tommy Boy and Dana, what you were doing Wayne's World.

Were you still on Wayne's World? Yeah, I was on the show, Wayne's World. Yeah. Those were huge. I mean, did that give you guys a bit of confidence? Oh, yeah. When Tommy Boy came out

where you were like, Because I got hot rod after my first in, I was like, well, I was in a movie. Yeah. They won't cut me. Andy Samborg. I feel like there's some stock in me. Even if the movie didn't do well, they put me in a movie, I guess. Yeah.

I was really naive, too, you know. Yeah. I know what you're saying, and I sort of did. I think it was right in the Hollywood minute. It was probably three years. I was on six. After three, when I got to four, I go, I think I'm going to push this through. I was held as a feature player longer than Schneider,

Rock, and Farley, and Sandler. So I had an extra year. So I'm like, maybe it's just not for me. I mean, I'm not a big character guy. So I sort of saw what they saw. And I go, I can score maybe here and there, but I'm not, I'm not a full utility player like they need here. That's so funny you say that because I was watching, you know,

a massive fan during those years. And it seemed like you were very much. I have Michael J. Fox. Michael J. Fox. Oh, yeah. Hey, Sart. What are you doing here?

What are you doing? You know, here's my new one, Daniel Day Lewis. I love that so much. From their will be blood. This is my shot in partner, H.W. That's pretty good, Dana. I have a competition problem. I have a competition.

It's not as another failures I should win. You did that. Speaking of that, drink your milkshake. I love that, Daniel Playview. As a sketch, can you give us, you want to go into it for a second? I'm an oil bad. I'm an ordinary man. I'm a man.

I was like, you know, the thing that you just repeat to get into it. Yeah. Yeah. Like all day, I was going, I'm an oil bad. Yeah. I'm an oil man. That's perfect. That was the other thing that drove me nuts to the writers.

It was like, it was like, it was like, this is about in, you know, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And it's like, I'm doing a voice. So I'm working on saying Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And then for some reason, they changed it to Kenosha. Oh, right before air or something. And I go, Kenosha. I change it to Kenosha.

And it was like, oh, we just liked Kenosha. And I was like, I'm doing a voice. I'm locked in. I'm locked in. It's not a thing. It's not malleable in a way where I can just start riffing in it. You know, I don't know if you ever had shit like that. We were like, why do it was like all these weird lateral moves at the last minute.

that would throw you and then they're like, you blew it. Just do one phrase and repeat it. That's the key. I never. That's me in the bathroom before the sketch.

You just go in there and you go, have I prepped enough? You're like, it's coming up. Have I been fucking around? Are we at Wally and Josephs? Are we bullshitting in the writers room? Like, I got to go lock in and go, okay, I'm going out there.

I don't want to go. Sometimes I'm out there. Even in stand-up, sometimes you're in the middle of show. You go, fuck, I just, I was in a groove because I've done so many shows this week, but I didn't go over it right before I went on

and just think, like, okay, what am I going to walk out? You just got to, yeah. It's fear of, like, being on national television going, wait, what? Yeah, really? Seriously, I don't even know what I'm reading. Did you do cold openings? I mean, because I had a lot of those right to the camera. I did one cold open.

Those were the worst. Pressure-wise. I hated the cold open. I did one that Downey wrote where I was, a spitzer oh really it's spitzer governor spitzer and it was me talking for you know seven minutes

yeah and I just after that was done I went and just was like I don't think I can do that again that was like I really was terrified is it there not that many laugh lines in it or we're just it was just too much too much dialogue it's just yeah

it's just like it's and it's I love Jim, I love Jim so much, but it's dry, you know, it's a, you're starting off the show doing like this dry thing. Yeah. It gets laugh. They're ready to laugh. They, it is, they are pumped and excited and the band's playing and it's like 10 seconds, five seconds. And then you come out with this thing that you know the first four minutes of it is kind of like set up. And here's a dry bit. Go. Yes, it dry, you know, and I love, but it works. It got it. it's by the way really funny but for my anxiety it was like the first four minutes of this

is like actually not has no jokes there yeah no no that's tough you know yeah you had to do that shit all the time dana i feel like i well first of all i just want it for uh s and l listeners the cold open is when the studio is just getting ready to do the show someone screams out 10 seconds five seconds and then and then the studio the rest of the show there's ambient noise of them moving stuff around while the sketches. It's the only one where the whole studio goes dead quiet.

True. If this doesn't go well, the show has to dig out from under it. Yes. So it's the pressure spot. I had a lot of props and I just started waving my arms a lot. Gotta digging, got to be bad.

You know, it's just to survive. Well, you had to. You got to get it going. That has like an energy to it. Yeah, it had high energy. Makes everyone have fun. Eventually. Yeah.

And then by the time you were doing Bush and stuff, the minute it would come on, we were always like, yeah, but it was like a big character, but it was when it was a thing, like a topical thing. Yeah, and Elliot Spitzer was not as, you know, it was only a, it was a big story for a week and no one knew what he talked like. It was, you know, I think after that I was in cold opens, but it was like, you know, bring you to Congress hearing. Yeah, yeah. There was one time I had to go into the booth. because I recorded a thing for the pre-tape, you know, the scroll, like, you know, this week in Alabama, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know. Yeah, yeah.

Whatever current thing happened. And they ran to me and they go, the tape's not working. You got to go do it live. I ran into the booth with my headphones on and it's just everyone yelling and screaming. Is he in the booth? Is he in the booth? And I'm like, I'm here right now. It's like, all right, aunt go.

And now we're lying. Oh, that Don Pardo booth. over there? Yeah. Yeah. And there's no scroll. Oh. I have the script and I'm reading over black because something went wrong.

So I'm reading over black. I'm trying to remember what I did. I did it Thursday. Wow. And I'm going, okay, I do the whole thing. I'm like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. And I, the sketch starts and I go to sit down, Pardo's in there.

Oh. I sat on Carto. Don Pardo? And Pardo? And Pardt goes, get off of me. Get off of me, Bill Hader. The great Don Pato. Get off my foot.

The whole time I was doing that, he was just sitting on the thing in that small booth. And I didn't see him because I was so freaked out. And then I was, oh, Jesus, Christ. Oh, God, I'm sorry. It's like he's on the toilet and you sit on him. That's hysterical. Rob Schneider. Jim Belushi

He goes Jim Belushi You've heard that right No Oh yeah Someone underlined Jim Oh no Jim

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in that way and then your story on SNL became fascinating because you are a Hall of Famer yeah you're a first ballot Hall of Famer put it this way Bill this is what I say to people if someone said to me Bill Hader was the greatest of all time sketch player in SNL I wouldn't slug them in the face that's really sweet you would have to think you like coming from you guys yeah You had a great cast, though, too. You were surrounded by solid shit. Kristen Wig, Andy Sandberg, Jace, Will Forte, Fred Armerson, Amy Poehler, I mean, Seth Myers, Daryl Hammond, Jason Sadekis, are your bandmates?

Yeah, Maya Rudolph was there. Maya Rudolph overlapped, yeah. It was crazy. Yeah, I was, Keenan Thompson, Kenan Thompson is actually the guy that I would sit, he would do these, those what-up with that sketches, and I was so anxious on air. and I would sit and watch him do those because I had no lines in those sketches and I would just sit there and think like

I just need to get to be like that how to look at that loose and have that much fun on air look how much fun he is having I agree I agree I don't think I ever got there he has he's like behind his joy is just right behind his eyes

and sort of in his mouth you just feel it he was the guy that when people talk about I was like Kenan Thompson was the guy I was always he would do update i would go out on the floor to watch him do update because i was just like he's just such a bill he's such a uh it's keenan do you have to take that i don't know keenan going like what what are you saying about me uh no but it was just he was just one of those guys that when i would

uh i would just i was always kind of knocked out by how loose he was and how much funny he had and we would be in sketches together yeah i was like god he can just knock this out it was kind of like what you were saying earlier like you throw anything at him he never seemed thrown he was just a pro and lovely all the time he's one of those guys he could be bullshitting with you about something totally innocuous and then you go on live television and he destroys it right and then comes back and he picks the conversation back up i love to like i'm like you know yeah you got to get ready did you did you guys ever hear that you guys weren't that good because obviously now you look back

and it's always different eyes. Pretty all-star. I want to say the Washington Post or something wrote a review in my first season that was like, who the fuck? Like me and Siddakis and Forte were interchangeable. Who do you think you are? Yeah, this is terrible.

And living in New York, too, you didn't, you know, people would just, I remember a guy on a cab driver when, hey, S&L, you fucking suck. everybody has the cab drivers or like you know you go into a deli and the guys are like they don't use you why don't they use you they don't use you anymore

they haven't even watched for two years yeah everyone wants to get you bitter relatives everybody they don't use you I go I get a guys go hey got any movies coming out it's like the dumbest easiest question I go now I got they did that wrong missy

I didn't see that when anything else I go well it takes a year to shoot it it takes a year to come out yeah it takes a year to get another one and i'm like so you miss this year five years behind he's like yeah what else he actually said yeah the guy works at a deli what else you got where's chris pratt been you never see him anymore i go he was in jurasic world and the raccoon one and he goes oh yeah i didn't see those i go well what am i going by you the fuck what you're giving christ if he's not doing well no one is my god yeah like oh sweet Like, I didn't see Coda. Tell me about Coda, David.

Is that the deaf one? Is this Chris Pratt in that? See, he's not in shit. Is he played Coda? You know, I saw you on Saturday Night Live. I thought you were a woman. I saw that woman character guy, I think you did. I got you a woman.

Hey, but the one I always got was, why don't they use you? I know why don't they use you? Because when I'm in a wig, you don't know it's me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hey, is that show live? Do you really tape that live? And then for a while, it was like, what's Kristen Wigg situation?

What's her situation? She's a nice person. What's his situation? She's stuck up. Hey, what's up with Dale Hammond? Is he stuck up? You think he'd be my friend? He looks like a friendly guy.

I fancy myself on that show once in a while. You know, I do look at this with my friends. Anyway, what do you want from the deli? Good luck with that. All right. All right. Let's wrap it up with Bill. All right.

Let's talk about Barry. Oh, Barry, real quick. Really quick. I'm kidding. Barry, everyone loves it. It's an unbelievable show. It really is. It's shocking.

I mean, you're this sketch player. You're so brilliant at it. You do the voice. You do Clouty with Meatballs, this and that. And then I hear you're going to do this. I'm like, huh, what'll that be like? I was like one of those guys. What are you going on all drama for?

You're fucking funny. But then the show is brilliant, and you're brilliant in it. And the first show, the first season where your character comes in and watches the acting class and you're not saying anything, just in that moment. It was like the show just completely hooked. me right there you know and of course because I like people like your cast you know Stefan Root I mean yeah so fucking great Sarah Goldberg Anthony Kerrigan is amazing Anthony Kerrigan is no ho Hank that's what yeah no ho Hank really love yeah uh and of course

Henry Winkler is so brilliant congratulations Hank Winker you just add it's third Hank Winkler I'll say I have you know The nicest guy in the world. I'm at the improv in 1981. I do. I think a mediocre set. I go outside in the bar. I've not been on TV or anything.

I just hear a voice behind me going, Stella. Stella. It was a stellar performance. And it's Henry Winkler. Smooth as silk. You landed all your jokes. Oh, he's so fucking nice. And that was Fonzie talking to you?

You must have shit your pants, Dana. Yeah, it was Henry Winkler. It was a big, big deal for him to give me that. At that moment in my life. Was Pinky Tuscadero there? Be honest. Sorry, that's from happy days. Friedman was.

Take it outside. Oh, David. Not in the halls. Not in the hall. Take it outside. So what do you? So this Barry thing, what do you want to say about Barry? I think today the trailer, the official trailer came out.

Today, this comes out in two years. Okay. Bill, is this one where you direct all of them? No, I directed five of them. And, yeah, so I really love directing. That's like, I love doing that. It's so much fun. But it does, it's this weird thing where people are like,

oh, how do you act and direct, but you kind of write a character that doesn't talk a lot. So I have to worry about that? And then when I get the lines, I forget them. it's hard to do it all I can't even fucking act I can't do it actually be on SNL

was you know who was was actually Chris Brock was the guy I was talking I was like yeah I might I want to direct at some point and I asked him

because he directed and he goes if you could do SNL you can direct because you have to you sort of direct your sketches right

you saw your sketches yeah so when we did the pilot for Barry me talking to you know you know heads of departments props

props and like that kind of new I had confidence on what I wanted in stuff but that was totally from S&L from doing that it's hard when they go

what kind of drapes do you want like these are these and you go I'm just worried about the jokes yeah you're good at going that one this one

you got to make a hundred of those a day yeah all day and then and then they go well the ones you pick now don't work and it's like okay

well which ones do work oh that's great love it you know whatever but I think having being having that confidence and I think

the thing to SNL did I don't know what you guys feel that but took that like romanticism out of like creating you know and it was just like we had to do a show on Saturday. So it was kind of like there was no I have to go look out a window and write in my notebook. Character. Yeah. It's like no we got to we're like under a table up on the 17th floor eating pizza and scribbling yeah real quick you know or you know Reading shit in the bathroom going, fuck, okay, I got to go do this on national television five minutes, you know.

So everything seems downhill after that. Yeah, exactly. It's easy after that, yeah. Bill, I have a director question. Sometimes, because I don't, I've never directed anything, and I wonder when the director yells action, there's a time,

there's some sets I've been on where the first AD yells action, and I don't like it. Yeah. I think to be a director, the only thing you want to do is yell action. That's the whole fun. I actually, I totally get that and I've been on those sets too. I actually have like my first AD.

Sometimes you have first ADs and they're kind of like, you know, you work well together but you're not partners. I have this guy Gavin Kleintop who I is like my partner in the thing. He's like a he's amazing. He's also a big film geek. So like that episode you were talking about Dana where you don't see the guy, I can explain to him. the karate girl episode and go, this is a coverage.

I'm thinking he goes, I totally get it, you know. And I'll figure out how to make that work. So he says it, he does say it, but also I'm in scenes. And there is a thing that you're working with people and you're in the scene together. I think that I've been doing that all the actors are like, can you please stop doing it? It's because I'm writing this stuff too, is I'm mowing the word. Yeah. Can I tell you how else did that?

Johnny Carson. Really? When I was first out in this thing because you'd do the prep interview and so I would see his mouth moving along. You know, I'm going, isn't that special? And Johnny's going, yeah, same thing. So how did you, do you get rid of that?

Or that way it makes itself caught. Henry was very sweet like, Bill, you're doing a great job. But it throws me a little bit when you're mouthing along with me, especially in some of these more intense scenes. Oh, wow. I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.

So, yeah, it is like, you know, Conan does that a little bit. When I remember being on Conant, I remember being on Conant all the times. Conan, Conan will do it again. I didn't want to say Conan because he's a good friend. No, no, but I'm saying it as someone who does it, you know. But listen, when you look at that old, not to bring it back, that one gap girl's layoff me, I'm starving. I'm so scared it won't do well and it won't do as good as dress. I am mouthing along.

Really? And I haven't even really heard someone say that before, but now that you're saying it, I go, you can see it in the sketch. Oh, yeah, because you're so in. I want him to nail it so perfectly. And I'm like, please nail this and please make sure this works.

You know, and I think everybody kind of thinks like we're just having fun up there. But it's like, there's so much pressure. But I didn't know I was doing it and probably you didn't know. I had no idea was doing it. And I've had Stephen Root and Henry Winkler both that you would know on

with a call sheet. Please, please stop mounting along with us. And I'm like, I am so sorry, but it is, you're just so locked in to, you know, what's happened. Do you like, one hallmark of a show that's really working is that every, there's no weakness. Like every actor on Barry seems like that's the person that had to play that part and they're so good.

So you psychologically, with all your experience, do you change your directing style depending on who you're talking to in terms of like that little note right before you go trying to give them confidence oh yeah i mean like stephen root and sarah gulberg are feeder people you know like very feeder trained and so okay um they they come in pretty prepared sarah especially like she is super prepared so it's like gentle like maybe i have like a little private moment in the of this or maybe try this but yeah and then you know Henry is is kind of free flowing kind of you know yeah yeah so you emotional and so he's kind of oh he needs more you know like we did a scene this season where he he has to enter it really angry and so he was like i could see him

being angry and stuff and so he was taking a broom and throwing it on the ground and i was like oh good make sure props has a broom there for him. We'll never see it, but he needs something to just kind of go smash something and then enter the scene, you know? Oh, okay. And, you know, stuff like that, you know. Yeah. And then a lot of those you try to stay out of their way, but then I do in that way of,

like, because I'm also acting in it, it's a thing I've had to try to rein in is I can't help but be like, you know, and this is also at S&L, I had no problem if it was a sketch i am was like you know it's more like we were saying about downing you know it's right yeah that rhythm is this that's that yeah actors don't like that no no that's a fine line do you know what i'm saying we're at s and l i didn't have i don't know about you guys i had no problem going to andy or somebody and going like you know it's yeah you know oh yeah and people what people would ask for it if you were the writer of the sketch i would ask like well what do you think in here you know what do you yeah we did the

which is one of the hardest the that's John Malay and his favorite sketch we ever wrote it died at dress but the whole thing is rhythm the whole thing is rhythm yeah there's nothing else there's nothing else to it but rhythm Casey Kaysam father son yeah you did it at Largo son yeah we did it at Largo with you yeah you were there yeah yeah and we we if the audience doesn't hook the premise and sometimes it S&L just gets lost that first 30 seconds. What is going on here? And then it just, you know,

but it was a quiet sketch and very dry. But at Largo, we really set it up. Yeah, yeah. We had them on our side. We were surprised. And my, yeah, but the point, yeah, that thing I'm Barry is like you can't go, hey, the rhythm is this.

Yeah. People will go. Yeah. Please don't tell me. Some people literally go, give me a line reading. Yeah, sometimes that'll happen. Not so much I'm Barry,

but sometimes Henry, it'll be like, just tell me how you want me to say it. But yeah, everybody's a little different, you know, and mostly, I just know, you guys know from acting in things, the biggest thing I think is actors just don't, they don't want to look like idiots, they don't want to look foolish, they want to make sure they're, right, they want confidence. Like, I've never understood. That's it.

I've worked with directors that their whole thing is kind of browbeating you. Yeah, weird, right, understand it. And so to me, it's just like, but at the same time, smart actors. can kind of sniff out if everything's great that's not good either where it's like beautiful beautiful I love it I love it

people yeah Fred Wolf would always go oh that's great that's really great oh that's incredible you might want to just try this one thing which I appreciate that about him I was never in a movie with him like David

but I think that that is the challenge of being a director I had a director would give me 10 notes between takes 10 10 and it was just like it turned into nothing more energy less energy yeah yeah or people being like you know very precious about the words you know I could see sometimes of an actor's like you know struggling with a line you can go just say it and how you would say it but here's the information that we want to get across is this you know right I've been

locked into lines they get really mad if you change one word what's that one word where you do were you doing and they yeah they change if you change one word because it sounds more real and they go now we got to the whole thing over and you go what happened you go you flip these two and you go it's the same exact thought i get i get it's your writing but no i had that once on a show or movie where the writer was directing and came over and was like you know there's a comma there for a reason and i was yeah exactly yeah it's not good yeah trying to spice it up trying to give it but you know as long as the the general thing is there you know i don't i'm not i'm not that stoked on if we can kind of find something better yeah sarah goldberg and

anthony carrigan especially are two people who can come in and make will come up with lines or say anthony will just improvise it the sarah was like hey i was working on and i was thinking maybe they could say this this and this and i'm like oh yeah try that you know that's perfect So it's not over-rehearsed and they could just do it. Yeah, just try stuff in a way. And then, but then, yeah, you know, I've done this too, though, where you improvise a thing. And it's like, now we're getting way off course. Yeah.

The story is this. You guys are going over here. Can we, you know. So it's like a nice balance, I think, of, of that, you know, with people. But I do think when you're acting with people, it's hard because they're seeing partners telling them what to do, you know. So that's always, I'm always very conscious of that, you know, when. Yeah, I wonder, have you done a Woody Allen movie? I guess no one does it anymore, but, you know, he's sort of to be facetious, yeah, because

Andre Previn, John Cousack told me once he goes, you know, you sounds like you're acting, you know, so you should try to make it seem like you're not like just acting, you know, because it's. Oh, that was a note. Yeah, but it's maybe the writer, but he's maybe the writer, which would be me. No, you're a wonderful. No, you're a beautiful, intelligent woman. Yeah. You're a beautiful, intelligent boy.

But talk about a writer-director. So it looks like, if I had to guess, you'll do whatever seasons of Barry, and then you'll be out off on the reservation being a film director, which you dreamed of at age 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah. pretty much yeah but it's fun you know it's been the weird securitist road to the thing that you

always wanted to do but it's fun how fun you get to do a show and you get to be in it and what what a blast and it represents your sensibility what you want you're working with like-minded people your partner Alex yeah yeah and you you know it's dark and this season especially is incredibly you know brutal at times but But I don't know. It's nice to kind of have that in it. And it just feels right. Again, it's that instinctive thing.

It's like we're talking about death and people getting murdered and stuff. Yeah. I wondered about that, watching season one and season two, the darkness and the lightness and the comedy beats, you know, right on the edge, you know, you must have been thinking about that as you go along. How funny can this be before it takes us away from the story? Always threading the needle with that. But doing it beautifully, it's working, you know?

Yeah, this season was definitely like, oh, let's push that maybe a little bit when you're trying to be honest with what the, the material is. Just go at that. But sometimes I wonder if it's just getting older. You see friends getting older. People are dying. Yeah, you want to go darker. I've got to start to be, you know, life happens.

And it's like, oh, if I'm going to do this, we should be kind of honest about it. I feel if I did the show in my 20s, maybe a little bit more glib. Right. Yeah. It's an inevitable trajectory as life beats you up. Bad shit really happens on this planet and to everybody. Yeah, this stinks. Wow.

Wow. Well, anyway, we're finished with part one. We're going to take a short break. Our guest today is Bill Hader. Bill's like, oh, Jesus Christ. Bill. I had a, okay. Bill, do you have anything more you want to say?

Because we loved having you. I had a great time. Oh, man. It's like awesome being here. And yeah, man, it's crazy. I'm being genuine. It's very cool getting to talk to you guys. I'm still, yeah, it's just awesome.

Well, I'm up on the ladder from you. David's a half step down for me, and you're the other way down. So thank you. I'm an elder at this point, which is great. But look how fit I am. I mean, it's amazing. My energy. I look startling.

It's amazing. Yeah, I know you can't see it. Look great. No, I feel good. I'm working on a scripted podcast with my sons, which is so much fun. It's like making a movie. very difficult just all voice acting and effects but i'm having a blast doing that it's called the weird place david a little plug before we go this be our biggest episode oh yeah go on the road

watch me uh david spade dot com no i'm kidding yeah Dana wait do you know that your son your impression of your sons is the Californians i was flattered that fred armison told me that i i have thought it could i mean i feel that voice was in the ether but it was a pretty much all we're going to do today yeah yeah it's you impersonating your son and and then the first episode the first time they did that sketch he was doing a different voice okay oh and then he switched it out oh and then a dress he came out and went wait like that we all were like if you see it i think it's online christ and they're going what is he doing that's what that's what that sketch when it first hit me that you were you were all going to

going to do that voice and then talk about how to drive around L.A.? That has hit me like a tar brix. It was so fucking, I'm going to take Fountain. I'm going to go. Well, that was a bit we did when we would come back from L.A. And you would be at the table waiting for Lauren to show up on Wednesday. And then everybody would go, hey, I just went to L.A. And it's like, and then someone would go, how did you get there?

It's like, well, I took, you know, 4.5. But to do it with those voices, no, I'm going to take 405. No, but that's your, your impression of your son is. the voice we're doing all right i'll take that hey guys if you're loving this podcast which you are be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app give us review five-star rating and maybe you can share an episode that you've loved with a friend if you're watching this episode on youtube please subscribe we're on video now fly on the wall is presented by audacity and executive produced by dana carvey and david hather santoro and gregg holzman mattie sprung kaiser

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