Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - RE-RELEASE - Garrett Morris

Episode Date: February 25, 2026

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of being in that whirlwind of the first season. Yeah, that first five years is sort of the story of SNL. He was, he just came to play. He was full of energy and fun. Laughing. And I don't know if it's okay to say. So it's like that or whatever. So I think he might have smoked marijuana for a bit.

It's legal. Mary Jean. But he was really, really funny and full of a lot of. Yeah, happy to be there. Like talking. And those are the best guests because they come ready to play and they just want to screw around. And we did learn a lot, but we also cracked up. That's all we want to do.

Him and Chevy did some things together. Chevy wrote for him and he did the interpretive guy. I was yelling. Oh, yeah. The hearing impaired newscaster, yeah. But it's really fun. interview with Garrett. I would listen to this. Here he is, Garrett Morris.

Garrett, my last name is Spade. But you know how many screwed it up by having ex-convict on your show, okay? Whoa, let's get down to it. Yeah. Did you serve time? That's all. It's my only question. I'm not lying. I'm not lying. I actually spent a year and a half at what is known as Greg Meadows Correctional Facilities. I was a teacher. Oh, I was at the Tim Meadows Correctional. facility. Now, Garrett, you were a teacher in there? You too. Go ahead. Go ahead, Garrett. Let's hear about that. Anyway, in like 1968, 69, I was a school teacher. I taught at PS 71 over on the east side. And I also taught they had a program for teaching convicts. And I was a part of it. They gave us a

a folks wagon, right? You guys say it's really Volkswagen. Yeah. Everyone's saying it wrong. Anyway, and I didn't know I was driving along the drug thing and I used to get called all the time by the cops. Okay. Wait, you're running drugs

in the Volkswagen and then you got pulled over. And you're also teaching kids and running drugs? I don't I was teaching those murderous drama. Oh. Okay. You have quite a resume. I looked it up.

Oh, my God. It's vast. You know, Garrett, I have to tell Garrett something, just so we have some common ground here. Garrett, I was in Arizona, you know, running the harsh streets of Scottsdale. And when I was about, you know, 18, 19, I was trying to flirt with this girl leaving a, a S-A-E party at Arizona State. And I got pulled over immediately, and they cuffed me and said, you have to go to jail. I don't think Dana, I didn't tell you this.

So I go to jail, and I say, hey, any reason for the jail, you know, I didn't even ask, because I just felt I'm pretty guilty about a lot of things. And they said, yeah, you've gotten too many tickets, speeding tickets, and we have a warrant for your rest. And I realize they didn't. So a couple hours in, I go, can I say? see those and they showed me copies and it was my brother's signature saying he was me

because he got pulled over so much he would have had to go into jail so he goes no no I don't have my license I'm David and so then he signed him all and then he still didn't pay him and then I spent the night in the clink and I had to have another comedian come bail me out oh wow and that Chevy Chase bailed you out

I still speak with my brother unfortunately but he know I'm such a pussy I would never really give me any trouble about it and I didn't. Is he out of jail? No, I was one out. He never went. I had to do the time for I had three older brothers that would stuff, uh, stolen items down my pants because I was nine and they were 11, 12, 13 and they were all juvenile delinquents. We fought, we smoked, we stole. But they would stuff him down my pants because I looked so little and so innocent and I'd walk out. But yeah, I stole a lot of stuff when I was nine. I'm just putting it out there right now. I would,

I stole 10 yo-yo's in one day. I had three weekends in the tank myself. Okay. See, we're all not soft. We're all from the fucking streets. Let's get that out of the way. Yeah. Got it.

You know, I'm not innocent at all. But one time, it was because a traffic cop broke the law and used a slim gym right to go into my car. Yeah. And he looked under the mat in the front seat and found a bag of marijuana, which is illegal cop, okay?

Yeah. Anyway, I go to the impound and get my car and I see about four or five cops standing around my car. I'm not stupid. So I wait, right? And they wait. And about 30 minutes. I said, okay, they'll get my car.

So I go to the car and I don't go in and they come and they say, open his back. No, I say, no, I'm not opening it. Oh, my God. They open it, right? And then I was doing my karate thing. So I had a ghee in the back. Yeah. And they said, open that back.

I said, no, sir. They opened it and they had put the grass in the bag. Oh, my God. The old frame. Yeah, they handcuffed me. But anyway, I go down town and I'm being booked and sure enough. I was a cop there who was him. He says to me, see John Yonusti.

Now, way back there, John Yenusti was a very progressive Italian lawyer who was hooked up. right he would help you out. Sure enough, I went over there, John, he knew to figure out what it was about. He said, this is see me Monday. I'll come in Monday. John whispered something in the judge's ear, and the judge says,

Garrett Morris, I read my head, he said, get out of here. I don't want to see you in here again. All right. He whispered you were framed, right? That's crazy. Well, the lawyer probably told him how the cop got to gray. Yeah.

No body cams back then. I'm saying, man, how you've been doing? Me and Dana have been having fun. Look at my hair looks good today. I know what happened. I filmed something this week. Usually it's a little shaking. Are you and Dana an item?

Oh, an item? An item. Are you breaking a story? Listen, Garrett, what happens on fly on the wall? Jay's the fly on the wall. Am I canceled now? That's, I can't do that anymore. I'm leading the cancel.

Yeah, Dana and I are old buddies, and we sort of emerge in the same person over time. I must say, you do look at you from the same mom. You do. Same tribe, Irish, Irish, Scottish, Norwegian. What's your tribe? Germany. I'm Irish, Scottish, Norwegian. Yeah.

Well, I'm Cambodian, Nigerian, West Africa. And by the way, and such a back.com said I have a lot. little bit of finish in me. Can you believe that? That's interesting. It's down deep. Yeah. I can't see.

My skin cries when it's sunny. By the way, tomorrow's my birthday. Tomorrow's your birthday. I read that your birthday's coming up. It's the first. Is that what it is? Tomorrow's February 1st, yes. Okay, we'll delete this because this is going to be airing in 2027.

No, we don't, we don't know one. No, we're going to. All right. What's your secret? I have to ask. What are you drinking? This year is green tea. That's it.

That's the... Acid glucose tea is. Helps to reduce your glucose count. Blood sugar stuff? Yeah. I have a type 2 diabetes. Your energy doesn't match your birth certificate. It's huge.

I mean, you're just like on fire. You're just energetic. I can't tell you on here, man. This is recorded by cops. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they're always monitoring this. I will say, Garrett, you are, you have sort of a very bright light and energy about you and a fun thing about you.

And I see why in comedy you do well, because you always bring it. You're very vocal. You got a strong voice. You just have a fun vibe. And you're positive. Yeah, positive. People want to work with you. So when it comes to comedy, this is what I say.

I am an actor who was in a comedy show many, many years ago, and I have been suffering ever since. Now, why have you been suffering? So are we. Because everywhere I go, people want me to be funny. And as my ex-wife tells you, well, she said, telling me all the time, inward, you ain't funny. Yeah.

Fill in the blanks, I got it. Yeah. Well, I think you're funny. And, you know, a lot of people have a funny vibe about them like people say the uh when i date girls i go what do you look for and i go i like a girl that's funny but i don't mean she needs to be robin williams some girls just have like a charm and fun thing about them and that's funny to me and it's a lightness and fun they don't have to be like you know hennie youngman yada da so i like that i go i'll take care of that part take my life exactly yes

but by the way dana garret has worked with prior and all these huge huge stars which I look over it and I can't believe how cool it. I got to work with Richard Pryor, but I want to hear your story first. Don't want up him yet. I have a nice Richard story. I have a great Richard Pryor story, okay? I want to hear yours.

It's got to be better. When Richard and I were cult fiends. That's the title of the podcast. I bet Dana's story doesn't start like that. He can do the show ahead. Right. But Richard brought his own route because he had heard that I was Lauren, nobody had hurt about me except people on East Coast.

So Richard brought his own riders. Nobody knew. I got this job with just 50 and 75 with a pretty good job for a black guy to get. They're thinking I'm Lauren, Lord, Lord, Michael. Lord Michaels.

Lord Michaels. Lord Michaels inward. Can I say? Like you were his main man. You can say anything you want as far as I'm concerned. I basically thought that was going on that. Richard had gotten, that Lord had gotten some guys with New.

Well, at the time, I got to Saturday Night Live. I'd already been in New York for like 17 years. I had written two plays. Two plays. Yeah, I read that. I've been at last 15 off-Broadway and Broadway shows. And so I had paid my dues, right? And they didn't know that.

So when Richard came, he brought his own group and he didn't use me. And I was really hurt by that because until this day, Richard is my favorite monologist of all time, right? And at that time, I was really very hurt because I wanted to work with him. So he did the show, didn't use me. But later on, when I went to California, he was doing a movie called Critical Condition. And I got a call from my agent saying, Richard Pryor wants you to be in the show, be in the movie. And he doesn't say anything. I assume that was his way of saying, hey, you know, I'm sorry or something like that.

I like it. Yeah, yeah. That was very sweet, sensitive. Well, you know, a lot of hosts do that. I mean, a lot of hosts still bring in writers just because they get scared. Like maybe Paul Mooney was with Richard. I don't know who he was with back. He was a force of nature.

Paul Mooney, I used to do stand up with him in the late 70s. And I would go, why is this guy in this little club? I mean, he was so charismatic and so good looking. And so funny, it was like just everything. I love Paul Moody. I'm sure he was behind Richard doing what he did because he was Richard's writer. But he, for this day, I see, because much of what Richard did was Paul Mooney. Right.

Okay. What do you think, you know, when you, the idea of a monologist, you know, I think of that more voice-orientated. But I think that with Richard, from what, when I first saw him on the Ed Sullivan show, he mimed for two, minutes, a guy reaching under his underarm to see if he had B.O. And it was like just a silent movie. So Richard had that capacity to paint a picture instantly. And he could do just a straight monologue. So I don't know.

He could tell stories. Yeah. And play all the characters. Yeah, when you're talking about Mudbone, you wouldn't be laughing for like two or three minutes until he got to the punchline. Yeah. But you were so engaged in Mudbone until this day again. How did you say the word?

I said monologous. You said it again. Monologist. Anyway, sometimes I had trouble with English. I knew, I want to tell my Richard Pryor, little story here. Tell me. So I'm working at the Holiday Inn as a waiter. Yeah.

And it was near the Circle Star Theater up near San Francisco. Richards headlining there. So Richard's in the restaurant. So I got to go serve Richard. And I was really nervous. So I brought him a Denver omelet. Okay. And then later on I came back and I took the plate and he looked up at me and said,

quote, whoever made that omelette can suck my dick. And I never knew if it was a positive or negative review. Twelve years later, I'm in a movie with Richard Pryor, which I'll tell you about. We're at lunch. And I just wanted to know what he meant that day. But I didn't want to bring it up. He probably wouldn't remember. So I look at him, I take a bite of my cheeseburger, and I said, this cheese, this, this, this cheeseburger is really, really, really good.

And he goes, wow, you must want to suck somebody's dick. No, I can't. I got the headline. He got it wrong. He used that, he used that sucked dick metaphor a lot. Yes, and he, well, okay, so it wasn't just me. Yeah. One of the funniest jokes I ever heard was when he said, this bitch was so fine, I want to

to suck her daddy's dick. I like that one, yeah. I just want to say I just had a root canal and a crown put in and I'm kind of spaced out. So the end of the joke went like this, you know. Okay, do it again. He goes, um, I like, wait a minute.

I'm so, I'm so stoned from the dentist. The punchline. The punchline. You do it again. Oh, I said, no, I can't, I really can't remember. I think you said this cheeseburger can't. suck my dick? Did you say that?

No, no, it was, yeah, it was a reverse that I got the, the information by setting a trap, you know. Oh, and he, I, I will get to it before this podcast's over, but I am so high right now. I mean, I'm just like, I'm very, what kind of, what kind of marijuana? Marijuana, no, it was dental stuff. Oh, okay. But if I, if I do smoke marijuana, my brand is, my brand is sledgehammer. That's my brand.

brand of cannabis. Oh, good God. Your brand of cannabis is what? Sledgehammer. Sledgehammer. From the Peter Gabriel collection? Yeah, I like that name. It sounds cool.

Shuffle to the face. I will be smoking a journal, okay? Hey, Garrett, I have a question for you. You can smoke a joint right now while I ask you if you want. Now, Garrett, when you can- Okay, bring me a joint. Oh, boy. So when you come on SNL, it must be like the dirty dozen.

you guys all get together. You probably don't know each other, right? Right. And then you are thrown together and you're sort of like, okay, let's see what works, what doesn't work. And you, oh, you're a writer. You're a writer at the beginning, right? Yes, I was, yes.

Okay. So you were not, I don't think you're on camera until later. I think that was a decision that was made later, correct? I actually was on camera the first show. Oh, shit. Let me tell you. Can I? Yeah.

You're in the middle of a story. I don't want to cut you. job. No way. It's about you. I was a playwright. Right. So I brought Lauren my play. He read it and liked it because there's a couple of funny things in it. He hired me. I didn't know that just because you're out of play that's about two hours doesn't mean you can write 30 minutes, 30 seconds. Yeah, a little tiny sketch. Yeah, for sure. It took me about four or five months to realize I couldn't do it. and I was feeling really pissed off myself to finally I realized I had an idea

because in my play, the Black Panther group that I have is called the Young Lions makes a joke about how when they're collecting money at fundraising, they're going to raise a lot of money when they have white, milky white liberals in the audience.

I love them. Right. So I have to tell that idea, I'm going to call his name to Schiller. Oh, Tom Schiller. Oh, Tommy Schiller. Yeah. Right.

Schiller goes over to the studio and tells it to another guy whose name I will not call. That guy then writes it down as his idea. Whoa, wait a minute. Right. When I come over, it's written down. And he's not even giving me credit for even contributing, right? So anyway, anyway, what happened? Now, I don't know.

Am I tell me? I'll tell you how to story. Anyway, yeah, anyway, what happened was it became a thing called a white guilt relief fund. Yes, I remember the sketch. Right. Yeah. And I don't know when I started off to help me because I'm 85. I may be all right.

I'm tracking the story. You would ask white people for donations out of guilt and make them an honorary Negro. You'd send them a plight. Right. Anyway, that was the only thing that I did that I thought was worthwhile. And this guy who at that time was a second in command to end beats, right? Now, here's what happened was. I was so mad.

I was so angry about that. Yeah. It took a couple of weeks to stew over that. And I was going to make a serious mistake. I'm going to come in this particular day and let him know what's for. and even if it meant physically confronting him, I was going to do that, although I knew he was a wrestling champ.

Now, you got to know. I think I know who it is. Wrestling camp from Harvard. I think I know who it is. I didn't care. I said, if I'll get a couple of licks in. After he whips my ass, he's still going to remember me, right? Yeah.

So I get off to the elevator and somebody's there says, Garrett, Lorne wants to see you in the green. room. I go to the green room and sure enough, John and Gilda and Jane had told Lauren Michael's, look, you've got Gary bringing in black actors. He's one himself. And here's a movie he's done. They were looking at Cooley High. Oh, Cooley High. Right. So Lauren looked at Cooley High. He auditioned me with Gilda. And I was totally counterpunty because Gilda is like, Gilda was, to this day. I'm real. And how she improvised.

You didn't even know she's doing it. Yeah. Right. And I kind of punched throughout that. It was, I was a taxi driver driving from JFK with her as my passenger. And I was cheating the hell out of her all the way, right? And so anyway, that's how I became a member of the group. So I was there the first time we did it from the beginning.

But I didn't start off that way. Wow. But how about you turned your anger and you had to switch gears? and look I look I'm a Buddhist so I don't believe in necessarily in a personal guard but somebody really was in the works

who stopped that because I was going to make a serious serious mistakes frankin's got some ground game too did you have go to moves Garrett I mean as a fighter would you do the kind of hey let's be friends and then headbut would you work the body

or what would be your kind of go-to moves I've gone to the The soil effect is first because that would have brought him down. Then I would have kicked him in the chin. He's going to get up mad as hell and do some kind of a hole and break my neck. Okay. But look, if you're short like I am and don't wait much, you got to go for what you need to.

Yeah, you got to get away. You hit fast and then you move, but be scrappy. There was no way I could have won that fight. Yeah. No, I know the dude. And he would, he's very tough when he gets in the ground game. I would say, let's. I got mad at him too, but I didn't think of fighting him.

He made a smart decision. Hey, before we go on, can I just do the Richard Pryor joke? We can cut it out, but it really bug me. All right. I'm so sorry about the dentist, but here it is. I waited, I'll set it up real fast. Gabe Rich Pryor, DeMondola is the holiday in. I brought, got the plate up, and he said, whoever made that omel can suck my dick. 12 years later, true story, in a movie, wanted to know what he meant by suck my dick. Was it positive or negative?

I'm having lunch with him. I take a bite of the cheeseburger. I look at Richard and I say, well, whoever made this cheeseburger can suck my dick. And Richard said, you must love that cheeseburger. That's how you do it. Boom. Dana.

I'm making Garrett happy. That's what I love. I never knew I would say suck my dick on this podcast. Now I've said it seven times. That's a mic drop. What reminds me, ladies and gentlemen, what do you have? If you have.

a patina with a penis. Excuse me? A patinas. No. Yeah. You have a dictator, stupid. Why do you have to add the stupid part? Yeah, stupid.

It's just, it's a pretty good joke. No, because you didn't know what it was stupid. Stupid. I like the stupid at the end. It was hilarious. That could have been a guy character. So, so you were, part of that original lex economy now who is your hangout friend of the cast these are just basic

s and l question so who did you gravitate too was it gilda or just everybody or did you have people you know the jane uh and sherry um but i didn't do what i should have done because i should also after the show after the show at the first couple of years there was you go downtown to this bar i think of willie oh yeah you have the party yeah that's equal to to that golf game. Yeah. People talk about where you form alliances, right? So I didn't do that.

So I really had a lot of people not lacking me thinking I was stuck up and all that. Well, yeah, why didn't you go? I'm one now I want to know. Because I even to this day am an introvert working against that. All right. I've really gotten over it to a lot, a large extent. But also I had at that time, okay, do you want to read, know the real truth.

Go ahead. I had probably a couple of girls at home waiting with some cocaine to we could do what we're going to do. So it was either the girls in the cocaine or having Lauren tell his story about how we've met yourself. I think it may. Well, listen, that's a tough one, Dana, because his story sounds great, like all that fun stuff.

But then you look back and you realize you've got such huge, talented, cool people that you get to. Because I was going to say, Garrett, did you have an official after party? It sounds like you didn't. But we had, Dana was on, and then I was on with him for a while, and we had, they would walk around with a ticket, a secret, you know, during the show. Remember this, Dana?

And they'd hand you it and you put it in your wardrobe or something. And you go, here's where the party is, don't tell anyone. And it was during the live show. So you go, okay. And then after the show, you'd go straight there, but they didn't want everyone to find out about it. And so we'd have a designated spot every Saturday. And we'd go there, sort of the same thing. You just go there and get all fucked up with every.

everybody. But you see, I'm sure that the reason why that didn't happen to me, because at first, I set up not going in the first place. Right. So when that started happening, people probably say, well, you know, fuck him, you know, he doesn't. Well, you had some responsibilities to get back. But I remember when I first got an S&L, Loram was telling me about, you know, Chevy and Danny and everybody and Garrett. You said, Garrett, you know, do that again. Do that again. Chevy and Danny and, you know, Eddie and all the people, Paul, you know, you can. You can, you never get Garrett to the party unless you brought some cocaine and some hookers. I go, really? Right. I'm sure that. Right. I'm sure that. Listen.

They were able to say that and they were correct. It's good bait. Well, the thing about it was coming in 86, you guys were bad asses. Like to me, that original cast, you guys were, oh, a little, oh, a little bit of a, okay, let's show a power flower. Oh, you're going to blow your nose. Yeah. A little like, but I'm sorry. A gentleman joins us. Been on Shown Night Live from the original cash. Young man named Garrett Morris. But we thought of you guys as badass pirates. You would fight.

There were drugs. You know, Chevy and Bill Murray would fight. And Blushie was like a badass. And then we got in and people were having like Amstall lights. We'd have a bud light at the party with me and Phil and just look around. Yeah. We didn't party as hard. We felt we didn't belong.

Well, can I say something about John? Yeah. John, when he and I were both into the cocaine thing, he never really talked to me unless he needed cocaine. And I get a knock on the door. Hey, buddy. Come in and I put my, you know, 10th floor down there. You know what he would do?

Do 10 of them. By the time he got to, I had none left. So he would just go in, get a straw on his nose, go down on the desk. You were about to snort the coke and he would snort all of it. Oh, my God. He would leave a little bit at the end. A little bit at the end. Oh, nice guy.

He's a brilliantly challenged man, but boy, boy. I had mineral water and Nora Dunn would come in and just chug it. Oh. I'm kidding. No. But what was it about, like, I tried cocaine. I've talked about it. I just, like you're saying you're fighting being introverted.

Like, when I did cocaine, within 30 seconds, I was very, sad. I just really. It made me very anxious and very paranoid. I only tried it twice. And one time I did some cocaine, drove to the comedy club, and I couldn't go in the club because I knew they all

hated me in there. And then I just drove back home. So how did it, but I knew people that cocaine spoke to them, that eventually they had it in a little thing and they just sniff it all day. Yeah. So what did it do to you? I mean, did you? Okay. Cocaine

did the opposite to me. It livened me up. Yeah. Oh, because you were an introvert, so it kind of opened you up. But then you need more cocaine, right? You're losing the high. You've got to get more, right? That's the trouble.

That's the trouble because I think that first high, you never get it again, David. You never get it again, David. After that, you're striving to get that first high. So even if you're on for like 35 years, which I was. 35 years? Yeah. It's different that you get it. never get that again.

Then you start smoking it, right? And you get that thing again. Then smoking it, you're coming down. So you keep coming down for you. You never get that first time again, okay? So doesn't make you stop chasing it. I was there. I did it for a while.

Well, Lynn Byers is one. Do you remember Lynn Byers? Oh, yeah. What a mess. Yeah. And he, when that happened to him, I started thinking, Gary, you're way old than this guy.

You're way older. And, you know, something's going, you know, you're lucky that there's, That didn't happen to you. You know, Garrett, I was in it during Len bias. Lund bias for the, for the listeners, is a basketball player that got recruited by the Celtics, I think. Yes. And I think he died after draft night or something from doing too much cocaine.

Something, I think, before he played. And that was the first time, I think I knew you could die from just doing straight cocaine. Like, I hadn't heard that. Excuse me. Oh, he dropped his joint, his house is on fire. No, he's actually. Oh, oh. Is it okay to say that we think.

our friend Garrett Morris is enjoying some fine cannabis. Sativa. Sativa. So that's like, what does that do? It's evens your energy out or what? One is mellow. Mellow. Is a kind of marijuana that lets you stay awake.

Oh, it's upper. Okay. It's an upper. If you get a hybrid, it's in between. If you get indica, you're going to go to sleep. So a lot of times when I'm working, I'll either do it. Is that weird? Outfoking or what's the way.

this, you know. Well, I worked with Scatman Carruthers once in Rockabellar Center. Yeah. I envy you, okay? Oh, I got to say. Oh, I'm a scatman. Angel from heaven, sweetest guy. Oh, wow.

And always was, he'd go in the bathroom and you'd hear him and he'd be smoking weed, you know. And so one night, it was the one year anniversary of John Lennon's death. And my brother was visiting the show. It was a sitcom with Mickey Rooney, another crazy man. and Scatman gave us a joint He rolled it in front of us And he had both ends were closed off He did it without even looking

You know And so then we tried it And it was terrible It was really weak So the next break I brought back some Colombian pot Yeah Purple hair

I did and the next day In the elevator Now Scatman was from the 30s When it was illicit In the elevator people around He says to me quote The music was good Might I get a

of your weed. So after the show was over, my brother and I got a huge bag of pot, grocery bag of pot, drove it down to Van Nuys where Scatman live, brought him the pot, played banjo,

kept in touch with him. No, his guitar. He had an ukulele. Stu, going strong. Minnie the moocher. We never met like a character like Scatman, you know? You see that man there?

He points to the janitor. He goes, that man's an artist. That man is a artist. an artist. You know, he was just taking us all these different places. I like that. He did. He was in Blues Brothers, Dana, and that's the only reason I knew who he was because I was young

and I saw. I think he was in Blues Brothers. He sang Minnie the Mocher. Is that what I'm thinking? Did you see Blues Brothers Brothers? I know was in it, right? Yeah, he was in the shining. Oh, I don't know. Oh, yeah. Oh, that was him too. Jack Nicholson. You know what? I have never seen that. It's scary.

I love my man, but I hate. scary movies yeah I hate scary movies yeah so do I dude I'm with you well you said that Jack brought in a suitcase of pot into London yeah by posy me cocaine

no this was cannabis and he goes and they go and Jack goes I'm not gonna sell it it's just for my personal use and they let him through really yeah because he's a monster

shoe I I have another thing did you have any favorite sketches back then, Garrett, when you were there that first year? The colossal president. What was that? The colossal president. Yeah, there was this thing at the 12-mile island or something like that.

Mm-hmm. Where the nuclear thing. Oh, four-mile. Three-mile. Three-mile. I know it was a phrase. Five-K, yeah. Everybody's big.

And I'm the wife of the president, and he's big and I'm big, you know. Another one that was my favorite, not for any other reason, but I really think about it as a way in which somebody didn't get the message. It was with O.J. Simpson. Oh. Where he was a mandingo who goes around raping all the black slaves or female slaves. And that's again, I'm supposed to kiss. I don't want to kiss him, David.

In a sketch. Simon is to kiss. You know, I'm like this to kiss him and he backs away. As if I really want to talk. Yeah, you were just acting, right? Oh, man. Another one is something that Alice Whitebelt did, the baseball been, very, very good to be.

Chico, Chico, baseball, been very, very, good for me. Actually, Chico Esquilla is really Brando Murray's original concept. He's funny. His brother came up with. Then Alan enlarged on it, right? So we would do a piece like that all the time. And also, I can't throw out something that Chevy came up with for me, which is hard of hearing.

Yeah, which became kind of a runner. Everyone knows that. Are you sure? Yeah. And Zwey Bell is a big writer there. Yeah, he was good, right? Well, I love him. I love Swivell.

Yeah. Yeah, he's great. But Garrett, now, when you do. did in the beginning. Oh, first of all, now that one, I don't know when prior hosted or what year was when they did that sketch with Chevy.

I think it must have the first year. Wasn't Chevy only one year? Yep. Chevy, no, Chevy came in after a year and a half. Oh, no, I thought there was Billy. I'm sorry. No. Cheve was in after, you're right.

He was like a year, right. And then Bill Murray came in. Right. Right. And Chevy blew up. What was that like when one cast member was like, Wasn't he on the cover of time or something? And he just went, phew.

Was he on the cover of time? I didn't know that. Or Newsweek. I mean, I know that Chevy just got so much. I said right on. He did with Fletch. That was the name of Fletch? Yeah, he did a lot of movies.

Yeah. I thought, however, he waited, he should have waited a little longer. Of course. I agree. He wishes he'd never left. He wishes he'd stay at least five years. Right. Just like the guy who was on that cop show, who later on did CSI.

David Carruis. so? Yeah, he left too soon. You know, that happens, and I sort of get it, but Chevy was a tall, great looking guy, and he's a, and it was really good in comedy. And then he was a movie star, like, I don't even know what that would be like, but to leave when you know it's the best show, it's the coolest show, like you guys, I know Chevy blew up, but all you guys were huge, the Beatles.

I mean, everyone on the show. Rebel, I mean, there just was nothing like it. I mean, I was in college and when it came on and I saw all you guys. It makes me feel old. fellas okay when I was one all the time I was not as you what how old were you I was I was being born in the hospital and it was on TV and I was like this looks pretty fun oh my God I was born in 1988 but when I when I when I got into Saturday Night Live I had been in New York about 17 years right and you were 38 I was asked to join a Saturday Night Live uh all

all those other, excuse me, motherfuckers that just got out of high school and college, I was about 10 years away from AARP. Okay. You didn't, you did not look older than anyone. You didn't stand out as like, Phil Hartman,

I think was 38. I was 39 years old. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Garrett, this, Dana, I just want to ask him,

which everyone might know this, but Chevy does, there's some sketches people remember, you know, and one of them is Chevy interviewing Richard Pryor when he was there, for a job. And who wrote that? Huh? Who wrote that one? I think Chevy and Richard together. Oh, cool. Yeah, that. Yeah. That's like, I mean, when you look back on what you guys

did, that's a classic, that's a classic. And then what you could, what we call it now, since what we can get away with now, you know, it's just very different at the time, even at the time it was incendiary, but now it would be like go to a test pattern. Right. It would just get canceled. I mean, Lauren, he did at the right time because in about 10 years, we got into what we're into now, right, which is where. Which is a softening.

Yeah. I mean, with all due respect to the brilliant cast that Saturday life had always had, you can't really write for them the way they wrote for us then. I mean, you know, and I hate that. I hate that. It changed. It's a Rubik's Cube. You got to really, you really have to cleverly get clever stuff in because you can't,

it's almost like you're pulling from the same eight jokes that everyone's allowed to use now. Right. And that won't make people mad. But you guys, I think the first five, I think you're on for five years, that at least the standards and practices didn't even know what to say no to. They were like, this is so ridiculous. Like they had to learn and go, well, wait, wait, we don't like that. We're getting a lot of complaints about that. We have to stop that.

but it was like playing whackamol because every week you'd think of a new way to offend people and that was the greatest part of it well no one cared initially and then the show became a smash at what point two years in you guys just blew up but initially probably they didn't no one's watching

we had a lot of people who were we thought were progressive okay in my opinion the true progressive without any sign of racism whatsoever but I so he's like so he's like me I thought, for instance, that Michael O'Donohue, because of his past, would be the same way. Michael O'Donohue, with all due respect, was an absolute racist motherfucker. You got to add motherfucker to that because it just completes the thought.

The very first show, there was a kid that was going to have a black doctor, right? Have a doctor, not a black doctor. And I wasn't in it at all. So I said, hey, Michael, well, we had the doctor. me black. You know he tells me? Well, Gary, the audience might be thrown by a black doctor. Now, this is 1975, right? I'm from New Orleans. Where from the time I was 12 years old, I was surrounded not only by hordes of black medical doctors, but black PhDs as well. And I'm wondering how a guy who's name is associated with National Lampoon doesn't fucking know this. Did he not

see, guess who's coming to dinner with Cindy Poitier, which I saw in the theater at age eight and it infected me the rest of my life and I got to do a lot of benefits of Sidney Poitier and he's another real gentleman. Sorry, I'm still a little

slurring. Well, that's tough because yeah you're light in the show, you say, hey, can I get thrown into a sketch? And he said, no, this one's not right for you and it's like, oh boy. You can't be a black doctor. What are you talking about? You know, but talking about 50. Whitey. I remember being almost you walk by

a person just walk by and you I'm on 7th 2nd Street and he's coming towards me and I'm like a half a block away I say that's fucking continue to 58 right oh yeah just passed him like that to this day I remember that day

oh yeah he was so eloquent I remember I did a bunch of benefits for Cedars Sinai and he was always there and then one time I got off stage and I was walking to the audience he stopped me and I was able to do my yeah and he gave me some praise and I did my I said they call me

Mr. Tibbs and he laughed so hard that was Rod Steiger I think but yeah for me there were so many brilliant movies in the 60s and 70s and just a lot of my heroes were black I mean just Jimmy Hendricks my brother came in 1966 he came home

he was 13 he said I just saw the best guitar player in the world I said what's his name he goes Jimmy Hendricks but we didn't we were we were kind of progressive in our own way back then because we just wanted to see jimmy we didn't think you know and i went to the first integrated a very very well integrated high school with busing in 1969 so oh my jimmy hendrick you know what he did when he came back from england where he'd ever become famous he got on the corner of a hundred twenty fifth street and seventh avenue and played the guitar for like 18 hours or so just to introduce people too young he was really something else he was no like neil young has said about him no one's

ever played the guitar like jimmy hendricks did jimmy hendricks was never he did he die before us now or he's somebody they would have on him he was one of those caught up in with you know yeah he died he was like 27 right 27 27 yeah um you know janice joplin around the same age too oh man I hate it when she, I hated it when that happened to Janice. I loved her ass, man. I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, again, you know, there are, there's just certain talents.

Like Janice is singing and there's a word I use a lot, supernatural. Oh, shat-cha. I mean, that screaming, the intensity of it was just crazy. With all due respect, specifically coming out of a white woman. Okay? Sure. Yeah, she has such a talent. and then it almost like they burn out quickly

because it's so much talent and so that voice is so cool and everything and you hope it's around forever. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's also just the accidental playing with fire, you know, Jim Morrison. Once you start playing with opioids and mixing that stuff in, you know, of course, you know,

John Belushi, you know, it wasn't intentional, but you're playing with fire. It's just... Matter of fact, that's another thing that started me to strengthen. straight enough. Yeah, John's death. Was John during when you were on SNL?

When was it? I can't mean. He was 33, I think, right? It was after SNL when he died. Yeah, and I didn't really hang. Only when he needed cocaine did he not. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Sure. So how did that affect you? Did that get you off cocaine or you just started to slow down or what happened? Slow down. And by the time I came here, here, I was, it's not something you could just stop. By 2005, I went to AA, Alcohol's Anonymous. Yeah.

And they do something that exacerbates you. They will call your ass, okay? And it will sponsor you over and over. And so through that, I really, I've succeeded and get rid of it, okay? Much different with cigarettes, which I still am struggling with. But I'm glad that it's 2005, And now's that 2002.

Yeah, here we are. Since that's what 17 years, 16 years. Yeah. Well, the body has a remarkable healing apparatus once you give it a break, you know. So you're, did you have a lot of people who lived a long time in your family tree? Matter of fact, my grandfather lived in 92. Okay. So you got some longevity.

Yeah. My grandmother got, I'm sure, got cancer when she was in the 50s. My mother lived to 80, but she didn't take care of herself. Okay. So there's a couple, you know, either I'm going to hook up my grandfather and, you know, stay for a minute. How do you deal with stress? Are you really Buddhist? Are you really Zen?

Are you relaxed in your brain all the time, Gary? All of the respect. I know you guys hear Buddhism and you think Zen. Zen is not, it's not, it's only one part of Buddhist. There are 300. Right. Over 200,000 Buddhists worldwide and kill them are like me. They chant, which is not the same thing as the Zen Buddhist, okay? Right. So you chant. They meditate. Domnei, Arrigatu, Domne, Arrigu, Domne, Arrigu. No, it's Namio herringue. Arigatu. Harigua. Harigua. Ah, shit. I fucked it up.

Let me hear it. Namio herringiqio, which means that you're being to the mystic law of cause and effect, which means you don't believe in a personal God, but you do regard the law as being in the place that most other religious place, God. It is the most sacred. Right.

I did Transcendental Meditation, and my mantra is dumb. I'm a T.M. I'm a T.m. practitioner, too. Yeah, my mantra dominally, which I found out later was Native American for your shorts. We don't have much time. Are you telling people your mantra? No, I was kidding. I'm just joking. I would never tell you my mantra.

I like, yeah, don't tell them. My mantra is Garrett. Garrett, listen. Garrett, after S&L, first of all, there's too many cool people there. You had Danny Aykroyd who we did. I did two movies with three, actually. Great guy. Beautiful guy, yes.

He was beautiful, dude. I seemed like, uh, did you. you hang with anyone after the following years, Messina, you stay in touch or do you see him when you see him kind of thing? So I saw him when I saw him. When Jane was out here doing two rock, we used to talk on the phone.

Oh, that's right. Jane was on second rock from the sun, third rock from the sun, right? And now I had a big quality relationship with Lorraine. Yeah, Lorraine. Her daughter, Hannah, who is very, very talented. Did you see her in Hacks?

Oh, Hacks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a dynamite actor and also a very fine comedian. She did my show last year. Yeah. Garrett, who was your head writer when you started? Was it Ann Beetz? Anne Beetz was, yes. She was.

See, they had a girl head writer back then, which is probably more rare than a black doctor. And that other guy, we talked to mention. That was the assistant head writer. I know who you're talking about. And look, I was very sorry about what happened to him because I think that I'm not going to call their names. They backed him up when that thing happened. They should have backed him up and not let him go the way he did. Was there a lot of politics.

Oh, I know what you're talking about. A lot of politics. What he did was not when he didn't have to leave because of that. Yeah, I tend to agree. It was a purge that had to happen, but it, some people got swept up into it that maybe. in a more reasonable time would have Yeah. Yeah, he's done to have been treated like that.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Geez, I wonder if I'm canceled right now. Do you think we could be canceled from this podcast? We said, suck my dick. I said, Cindy Poitier, black man. First of all he says, with all due respect to us, and then he says, with all due respect, motherfucker and other people.

So it really did. I got called a white motherfucker from Carol. So I'm just happy the rest of the day. Like, my day is a home run now because it was love. Do you have any kids? I've got two sons and they're in show business. I'm talking to the mother every day. Oh, jeez.

Oh, you're fired motherfucker. Yeah, I guess so. I mean, he got you on a technicality, Dana. Motherfucker is just a great word because of the rhythm of it. Motherfucker. You know, it's a great word. I mean, gosh darn it. That's not.

In my community, gentlemen, we can say it better. He's a bad motherfucker meaning you, Dana, meaning a great. got. Yeah. I like that. I say of like, oh, Rachel Maddo. I say she's a bad bitch, right? Rather than a motherfucker. Right. She's a bad bitch. You do it. Although I don't look at any use anymore because it depresses me. No, no, no. It's designed to get us all angry. When I was looking at Rachel all the time. And what's the old lady? Joy Reed. You know, Joy Reed. Yeah. You know. I remember you know

Brian Brian Williams was my thing until until the news just started bringing me down Here before I

Before I We let you go Do you still sing Dana said you're a good singer I used to sing high seas Now I sing low seas I sing the blues now I don't sing

You know Oh You're doing the Albert King Who are you singing? Muddy Waters and stuff like... Muddy Waters? Yeah, yeah. My favorite blues thing is Muddy Waters.

Oh, I loved Albert King Blues Power. Albert King was great. That baby, that baby and its baby had a baby bed all fussing up. He's got the blues. You got the good old-fashioned country blues. Remember of Albert? Wasn't he magic? And, of course, Muddy Waters.

I mean, you know, that's another guy. Oh, no, Morgan, yes. Lay it on us. Don't be shy. What you're saying with the Harry Belafonte? I was with him for like nine years as a, my first job in the business. Well, there's a singer-arranger with, uh. Yeah, that's so amazing.

The Belafonte singers. The Belafonte singers. Yeah, as a 12-member group that he managed, right? He started them periodically, but they used to sang without him. So we're too often. Who's saying that thing? You put the lime in the coconut. You put it.

Right. That was Harry? Okay. That was Harry Belafani? Yep. Yeah. And then it became a commercial, too. Yeah.

Some product. Day, day, yo, delight come on. We want to go home. What about seven up is the uncoola? Now you can get laid with that. Hey, 85. That's all that.

All day. 85, still alive. 86. You got a cool voice. 87. You're in heaven. 88. Don't be late.

89. Won't you be mine. 90. Jesus. Holy heaven, honey. You can see it. Was this your S&L audition? I was a good one.

I know. I've had dinner with them. Well, Garrett, thank you for coming on with us. This has been a delight. You're so much fun. Gary, you're a fun dude. I just feel happy you're hanging out with you for this hour. Thank you so much, fellas,

for even thinking about this old guy. Yeah, you're a good dude. And it's, you know, we all got a job because of you and the squad. up there. Oh, my God. And Lorne and everyone. I just want to say 100 episodes on Jamie Fox. We're on the Martin show. You're talented. Men, okay? Thank you, bud.

Extremely talented. And that's why you got your fucking job. We do the best we can. You're terrific or tremendous. Excuse me. Many people are, who's better than Karen Morris? Nobody, listen, many people are saying, never better. Nobody's ever done it like him. Come on. Let's get real, folks.

No joke. I'm looking around. Gary Morris. Here's a deal. Come on. We can do better. We will do better. You got Trump and Biden at the end. I love your impression. I love you.

Thank you, brother. Can we hang out sometime? Can you get my... You got my number. All right, Garrett. Miss you, bud. No, let me thank you guys for this. I appreciate it.

I just really enjoyed this. I know I'm a little fuzzy and my words aren't coming out as well as they normally do, because of the dental work. But I got the prior job. joke out. I completed it and that made my day. It was a three-parter. Yeah.

Now I'm going to pack myself an ice, get a B-12 shot, and get a crack a cores light. We don't want to end the show with the words suck my dick, okay? No, no. What would be the substitution? So,

instead of saying, sunk my dick, you kind of say, how about a handjob, dear? I guess that's a little more benign, maybe not so dramatic. I got one. Good night, motherfuggas. Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app.

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