Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - RE-RELEASE - Jay Mohr

Episode Date: April 1, 2026

Let’s revisit good times with Chris Farley, Tracy Morgan impressions, and addiction with Jay Mohr. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/priv...acy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Jay Moore, Dana, was probably more from me being on SNL, but did you overlap at all? He was there when I hosted. Oh. But he wasn't there when I was part of the cast. Jay Moore, who did, he came on when I was there. We got to be friends. I still see him here and there. He has a funny podcast.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Talks a lot of old stories and throws us his impressions. He does good impressions, which you probably remember. He does a really good walking. That was the last time I saw him, but he's a lot of people, and he can really imitate well. But he is a funny dude. We sat down with him and we had a blast. The guy is funny. He's always been funny.
Starting point is 00:00:42 He had sort of a really up and down time on SNL. And he tells those stories. It's always interesting, you know. But I always tell people, everyone who's ever been on SNL will spend a lot more time being an ex-SML person. That's true. Except for Keenan. But that's all right. So far.
Starting point is 00:01:01 Daryl Hammond, Keenan, they were most of their life was on SNL. Good for that. Anyway, Jay Moore, this is entertaining. Please listen. When did you come on? 91. I was there till 93. Wait.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Do you know who Dana is? Are you a church lay fan or are you more of a Garth guy? Are you coffee machine? You're Dana? No. It's about. I had to grow this so we look even worse. I was not on Saturday Night Live with you, Dave.
Starting point is 00:01:39 But we both are there in 92, so there's a little bit of a problem. Yeah. When you and I were there, David, was Dana there also? No. Well, let me ask you question. I came in with Sarah and Norm and David Lowe. Did you do it with Sarah and Norm and David Tell? No, that was later.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Okay. So you weren't there in 92 because that's what I was doing. Was Wayne's World happening all the time? What's Wayne's World? Okay. Let's back up. So you missed it. by that much.
Starting point is 00:02:05 I used to just by a little bit of a birdie told me. But I remember being there once where where Franken and Chris Farley were going to fight. Franken and Chris Farley were going to wrestle. And I remember you hanging around and I remember, oh, Jay, you know, like you were like, I could take both of you guys
Starting point is 00:02:24 kind of, like you were going to, there was a three. So I don't know if you ever rest. I do remember that now. Yeah. And I also remember, okay, Dave, David and Spade and Fred Wolfe were in the graphics room. I knew Fred Wolf would come up immediately. He's the best.
Starting point is 00:02:43 You're really funny. That's really good. I should do that. I just kidding. The six shooters up here? David. It's really good. I've told you a story, but I'm going to talk to you for one's like.
Starting point is 00:02:51 I'm going to have a question, Pete. I just remember a waiter coming over going, get the fuck out of here. He's in the middle of a punchline and the waiter would walk up because get the fuck out of here. Because they always come on the punchline. Because probably that wasn't as funny as you. Look out of here. I was pretty good, right? But it wasn't as fun as you guys.
Starting point is 00:03:06 So Spade and Fred Wolf are in the graphics room, and I walk in to see what they're doing. Then Farley walks in, and then Fred just, Fred's like the master manipulator. Like, hey, Chris, you know, Jay wrestled. You wrestled. Oh, no. Jay says he could kick your ass at wrestling. And I'm like, you know, I'm 23 years old. I'm like, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:03:26 And Chris just, you were a young step. Chris is just like, yeah, all right. So we square up to wrestle. I like, he's not even in this crazy. This was in the writers room where we... No, this is in the graphics room. Oh, okay. Like, I was Frank in the writer's room.
Starting point is 00:03:40 On the way to Lauren's office. Okay. And it was just you and Fred were just doing private time or something. Some graphics. What happened? So I made the mistake of shooting in on Chris's legs. And he just collapsed on top of me. And then I went to my stomach and I brought my elbows in.
Starting point is 00:03:57 And Chris, for the next six minutes, sat on my back going... And you couldn't get out. No, I thought, I really thought my life was going to end. Sure. You know, Chris. And I was trying to say like, Chris, you're trying. 890. My back.
Starting point is 00:04:14 And then after six minutes, David saved me. He goes, get to fuck off him for him. Come on, Chris. And you just jumped. He just went. By the way, first of all, it was all Fred's fault. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:04:25 Jay is doing miming Chris Farley's little running thing. His heart attack thing where he always hits this. He goes, I have, are you supposed to have a tingling feeling in your left arm? It's going numb. Yeah, yeah. So what about when he walked you to the elevator? Wasn't he mad about that?
Starting point is 00:04:42 Oh, I pinned them. Yeah. So the rematch was, it was Dana Carvey. It was, wow. I was the referee. I was reading your name right there. It was Alec Baldwin. I get you guys confused all the time.
Starting point is 00:04:54 Me and Alec, we know. It's just a thing. It was Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger were co-o-was there. Mingling? Yeah. And my follow-up to that was like, it really, like, bugged me because I'm like, as the days. Well, can I ask for a second? How good were you at wrestling?
Starting point is 00:05:10 You're a good wrestler. Average. I was much better as an adult than I was as a kid. What was the weight? When you took on Farley, what was your weight? It was probably 160. Okay, so you were lean. Okay, so talk about how you pinned him by the elevator.
Starting point is 00:05:21 How did you pin a 5-6, 270-pound man? He was sitting on the couch. That's about what I figured he was at his prime. I'm glad you asked. Yeah. You get him right after he went to Wally and Joseph's and he had. Shells. Wally and Josephs.
Starting point is 00:05:33 He's taking nap. That was our go-to restaurant in New York. You were sitting on the couch right inside the writer's room. And I walked in and I said, hey, I said something that he had like, hey, fat boy,
Starting point is 00:05:47 you still want to go. Oh, no. And everyone's sitting at that giant table. You still want to go. There's like 40 people. Why are you doing this? I was nuts. Untreated.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Alcoholism. What are you doing? Untreated. Totally. And he went to get up. His mistake was, it's like never getting in a fight getting out of your car,
Starting point is 00:06:09 you're dead. So he got caught in that limbo between getting up. Starting halfway up. And then where'd you go to? So I went my right arm around his head and I just went bodyed into him
Starting point is 00:06:20 and then we just were falling forward and then I clasped my hands under his back of his knee. So we did like a somersault into the room. And I put my knee in his side and my forehead on his temple. And I just, because I knew if I let him go, he'd kill me. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:06:40 So it's like, can you find him bully? You are brave. I don't want to let him go because he'll beat me up in front of Alex Paul. A thousand percent. And more importantly, Kim, facing her. Jesus. And so I let him go and everyone's staring at me like, what the fuck is this guy doing? So then I slap Chris's ass.
Starting point is 00:06:57 I go, now we're even. And I get up and I'm walking. to the night elevators. I don't know why I turn left instead of right. And I just hear this like running of the bulls behind me. And I turn and it's like the entire room has emptied out. And they're walking towards me. But in front of them, Chris is walking like a zombie like in a Scooby-Doo.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Like with the big leg. And his eyes are up in his head like myr. And his palms were out. Terrifying. So I had that time to get to the elevator. I'm hitting the button. I'm hitting the button. the night elevator opens
Starting point is 00:07:32 and it's filled with people from the rainbow room it's like it's a wall of, it's just a wall of black tie and gowns just tapida and fucking Ben Gay, just all these
Starting point is 00:07:43 so I wench into the elevator and then Chris is walking towards the elevator now he's going to kill me and there's going to be collateral damage and I go look everybody that's Chris Farley and the whole elevator
Starting point is 00:07:54 like on an episode of Newhart just goes and he goes and he just turned around him all the way And the elevator door closed. You got so lucky. I got seen what a fucking murdered me. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Do you get that temper going? But the only reason I lived is because he had to get the laugh. Even in that, instead of running at me and grabbing me, once everybody was mobile, he was like, I remember, I told Dana, I said, I remember that Chris and Jay, there was a wrestling situation. And then Jay got the best of them and went into the elevator. I just remember the elevator. I made him turn purple. Oh, God, the best of me, I just killed him.
Starting point is 00:08:32 So you had skill. You had a lot of confidence. Well, I watched a lot of UFC, so I, you know. You see me on that. Well, I've seen guys that look like you. I don't know, but, but leverage a smaller person can. He just, if it was, he was, the way he was getting up off the couch was just a godsend. I got really lucky and he just took my shot.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Well, he was just obviously a big man was, he was quick. He was just like, hey, he always went like punchline first. He's like, all right, young fella. Yeah. Hey, how are you? Oh, man. Hey, lady. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:09:07 I remember when David Tell and I were in the office and Farley walked in at like 1 a.m. on a Thursday, it was just like, whoa. And he's like, what are you guys doing? And at the same time, like creepy twins, we said, we'll pay you $100 to shit out the window. Oh, you initiated that infamous. And he just went, oh, give me the money first. Give me the money first And so he did this more than once
Starting point is 00:09:31 17th floor No that's we had to fill out a police report Because I thought he was a jumper Hmm So he was just a pooper Does he take down his pants I mean and then he puts his ass out So yeah and it was obvious right away
Starting point is 00:09:45 He didn't have to shit at all Because he was just he turned like purple from effort He was just like So nothing happened No like a one little thing One hairy milk dud. And hit Lauren Michaels, who was coming back for morso's. Excuse me, Paul.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Do you have a napkin? You call the little bit of feet. She's on you. One of the feature players, shit on me. It fell in the window onto my desk. Oh. What? So you initiate it and you become the victim.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Yeah. And then there was nothing to wipe his ass with. Well. So we wipe. I always leave this part of the. the story out of respect, but you guys know how much, how love, we can't love anyone more.
Starting point is 00:10:31 No. So he wiped his ass with his hands. The hand is the only option. People listening who don't, who think being on Saturday Night Live is a barrel of monkeys, you're right, and this is an example. Because when he would, how much fun it is,
Starting point is 00:10:44 he would come in my office and go, yeah, I have got a greasy trail, which I figured out later what it was. And he'd take my USA Today and go, give me a piece of that. And, you know, you can do the rest of that. So after he wiped his ass with his hand, he went back to that mummy walk. And he fucking chased this around the 17th floor with the shit on the hand.
Starting point is 00:11:06 With a mummy walk and shit on the sense. And I'm running down the hallway past like research. And there's those bookshelps in the hallway. And me and David Dell are running side by side. And I'm like, we're not going to make this side by side. We got to go single file. But I don't want to be in the back. And Dave, like, I'm like two years removed from competitive wrestling,
Starting point is 00:11:28 and Dave Attell, a chain smoking, miserable guy just passes me. Oh, yeah. Like, he's on a jet ski. And I hit those, my, I hit the bookcase. My shoulder, like, pops out. And I'm just laying on my back. And Chris, for, like, minutes and just standing over me going, oh, with that.
Starting point is 00:11:46 Didn't you have that broomstick, though? Or was that a, or we don't talk about it. We don't talk about it. Oh, that's even more. Okay. Yeah. Well, the writer's. The writer's room was a very fun late night, chaotic place.
Starting point is 00:11:59 And even Downey, everyone's looking for any reason not to write. The first sketch I ever handed Downey, I didn't know like he slept there. He was going through some shit. And he just wanted us around, like, in the loneliest hours between 3 and 6 a.m. So remember he'd make us watch like Joliet High School basketball? Like, look at this. Look at the ball moment. Oh, you were out by then. He did like to talk about, like, if I ever got in that Downey's office, which all we
Starting point is 00:12:28 wanted to do is get down his expertise. And he was, you know, he's been there for 20 years. So when we get in there, he goes, Spade, what is going on in Arizona? And then I would go through all that, but I'm trying to go through my progression so I can get to my horrible sketch that he's not going to like. And I would talk and talk and just talk. And we would just talk. And Schneider, come in. I'm next. I'm too much time. So two in the morning you leave and then Schneider goes in. But poor Jim, that's what he had to do, is just take okay. It is. One time he did say something smart, he goes, well, he always said something smart. Yeah, but he said something that I remembered where he goes, there's times when you're going to give me an idea and I'm just going to say,
Starting point is 00:13:07 I don't think you should write it and I can't really tell you why. I just know it probably won't get on. And I can't even articulate. It's just not right. And I said, okay, fair enough. And sometimes I would do it and he goes, I don't think that's the one. And I'd be like, this is one of the guys that decides. So why go through the motions of writing? Unless it's going to be so primo, he has to overturn his opinion, but he just goes, and that's hard to do. It's hard to tell someone not to write something. The first sketch I ever handed him
Starting point is 00:13:34 was the Christopher Walken Psychic Friends Network. That had to have to have gotten on, didn't he get on? Eventually. And I was, you know, I didn't see him until like 9 a.m. Oh. And I finished it at like midnight. So you stayed the whole night. I stayed and sat on the couch and this.
Starting point is 00:13:50 And then they go, oh, you can go, I think it was Lori Joe, but you can go see him. And then he's sitting on his fucking little couch, brushing his teeth. It's like a face of foam. Yeah. And he goes, let me see it. And I go, hey, and I hand it to him.
Starting point is 00:14:03 And he puts his palm out like this. And I put the sketch in his palm, and he goes, yeah, it feels a little long. He just waded out and then handed it back to you. He was right, though. Oh, my God. It feels a heavy. It was a heavy sketch. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:15 It was long. I'd get there, and sometimes there was a Frankener. Maybe, was it Rosie Schuster? They would be like 18 pages and read through. Now, uh, read it. Who is that? Which one? Oh, Franken, okay.
Starting point is 00:14:29 I remember I had Franken somehow in like some sketch that was going to get on. I think it was like Good Morning Brooklyn or something. It was going to get on. Like it was just the vibe was there. And I had Franken and no psychic friends. It was the walking sketch. And Schneider goes, you got to switch out. No, you got to switch out Franken.
Starting point is 00:14:49 You can't. And I go, no, this is funny because he's like the guy. And he goes, no, don't put Franken in your sketch. And I go, why not? He goes, follow me. and we walked out of the office around the corner down the hallway and there's that, you know, the framed photos. And it's when they were having the white sale with slaves with Belushi and I guess
Starting point is 00:15:08 Bill Murray. And then the third one is Franken. And they're just standing there like whatever. And Franken's like, oh yeah. Like all puffed up chest. He goes, that's why. Because he's overacting. That's why.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Schneider's an old soul. Schneider is. No, you don't want him. You're a fucking rookie. What do you know? You don't know what you're doing. They're poisoning on water. Well, he can also note you in your own sketch, you know.
Starting point is 00:15:33 No, he's great. Because he was one of the ones that got the pitch sketches. So, yeah, that was, I mean, I'm talking Franken, like he would. Oh, man. He would, you know, if he's in it, he's also a writer and he's also one of the producers that picks sketches. So he has a lot of control of your own sketch, which might that rub you wrong. Is the Game of Thrones of S&L, partnering with someone, even if you go into the room and you go, I kind of have an idea. That'd be like your psychic walking and then let them start the ball rolling.
Starting point is 00:16:01 Oh, that's great. That's great. So they get proprietary. So when Lauren is there anyone walking, psychic there involved? Yeah. See, I didn't know any of that. Oh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:12 I think when Jay started, I don't know if I knew you ahead. Did I know you ahead of time or I knew you there? No. Okay. So I think we all had trouble when we got there, me, all, everybody. I had a lot because I couldn't quite like this dope that was better than me. this guy, Dana. So when I got there...
Starting point is 00:16:27 David's always there. When I got there... He was like my protege. I was the longest feature player. Rob went first, Sandler went first, Farley. They all went to cast. And so I stayed an extra year
Starting point is 00:16:40 on the bench kind of. And I remember when I think you came on, it was like kind of tough. And maybe I tried to tell you. And at the beginning, in my recollection, you were like, you know, I know it's hard, I know how it is.
Starting point is 00:16:54 But the truth was, you can't even be prepared. It's like you know it and you get there and you go, well, my sketch was funny. What's going on? And then it just, that's exactly what happened to me. How did you start to go, how do you?
Starting point is 00:17:04 And then after three weeks that, like I gave my best sketch the first week and it almost got on. And then after that, it was a lot tougher because that was the one I worked on. I go, this has to work. And then another week comes by another week. And if you're not getting stuff on, you start to lose your mind.
Starting point is 00:17:18 Let me ask both the guys a question. I mean, the first year I kind of harvested or adapted stuff that I worked for me in clubs, a lot of the time. You know, so I'm wondering what, what were your killer bits when you got it? And you too, Jay, like, how you got the show.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I mean, you're walking is right up there. Maybe I'm more of a mimic, so I didn't have, like, you have the, you're really great, Dana, like your original characters. But I'm just doing an impression of a person I met, kind of. It's a close, but it works.
Starting point is 00:17:47 But it's still an original thing. Like, I'm just mimicking. And I remember when Jim Downey said, you know, go to the guys, uh, you know, go around to the other guy's offices and just do impressions, let them know what you can. I was like so offended, like, I'm not going to be a door-to-door cell. My fucking clown.
Starting point is 00:18:02 But that's exactly what I should have done. If I could have done it over again, I would have just walked into your office and been like. I wrote a list out of everyone that I did. Really? And just passed it all around. Yeah, my noise is. What did you? Who were you doing at that point?
Starting point is 00:18:16 Who did you come in with? You've been in clubs for a few years? Like, Pesci. Nothing's hacky. Sure. Pesci is hard. Nero. Andrew McCarty.
Starting point is 00:18:25 was that? Oh, yeah, yeah. I think from what movie. We did it. We did it. We did it. I love her, man. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:33 We did it with Phil on a sassy when he had that talk show. Oh, sassy, yeah. We were just talking about Seth. Oh, yeah. That was with Phil Harmon. See, that's funny. Like, if people, if it's not accurate for me, like, that's just funny. I love her so much.
Starting point is 00:18:46 I love her, man. It's just a funny, funny, funny attitude. And then you just say that's Andrew McCarthy. Yeah, and it works because if you have one move of the eyes, the voice is, close enough, you get your laugh. That's all you need really in those sketches. And I did a bunch of black car, like Arsenio and Tracy, but he wasn't famous yet. Glad it was 1995.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Cripple pussy's stay wet. So you're doing crippled pussy? Yeah, that's why I got these wheelchair gloves, David Spade. And this was seeing him in the clubs. He wasn't on SNL? Yeah, I went to go see him at the improv. And I walked in the improv and he's fistfighting. the audience in the hallway before they redid it.
Starting point is 00:19:28 And I go to help him. It was like 80 against one. And he's just like, yeah, I miss my daughter, God damn it. And then I go to help him in the fight, and he turns to punch me in the face. And his fist stops, like right at my face. And he stops. And he goes, I'm not going to fuck with you, Jay Moore. You legendary.
Starting point is 00:19:47 That was his wife saying, I almost just punched you in the face. I put a baby in you, Jaymore got me boyfriend. I like when Tracy does observational humor, but it's only observational to Tracy. He's on stage like Oxnard. Who else remembers finger fucking Portuguese girls on their handball courts? You know what I'm talking. You know what I'm talking about. They all have like turquoise jewelry on.
Starting point is 00:20:15 They all like earthy. Sanofa. Sanofi. They just went down to Austin. You know them Portuguese girls been giving up the pussy on their handball courts? Well, Tacey, we're not going to have you back. Oh, okay. I thought it's so funny.
Starting point is 00:20:33 That's so fucking funny. Darryl Hammett tells me, tells a story of Tracy, like, was Daryl's savior. Like, Darrell was struggling, and Tracy goes, we got to go give respect to the man. Like, this is the streets, Darryl. So he's got to go, like, we have to have, like, our meeting with Lauren. Just let him know, we're soldiers. Oh, okay. And so they wait
Starting point is 00:20:56 and they wait for like two hours. And they finally get in and Lauren's like, I have a seat, guys. Hold on a second. Hello, Mick. It's like Mick Jacker calls. They're sitting in those big fucking chairs.
Starting point is 00:21:09 And he's like, one second. Hello, Mick. How's the tour? And then they start talking and Dick Cheney's office calls. Dick Cheney? They're just getting more emasculated. So it's like eight.
Starting point is 00:21:24 minutes total and then he goes, all right, thanks. And they go outside the office and Tracy looked at Darrell and goes, there ain't no eye rolling in that motherfucker, D. And that meant, like we're in the big leagues. There ain't no eye rolling in that motherfucker, D. Yeah. So did you partner up with, with Darrell a little bit, both two impressionists? We've been doing shows now, right?
Starting point is 00:21:53 Yeah. Oh, good. Like just a night of impressions. Like, he does 20 minutes, I do 20 minutes. Do you have any overloppers? And then Q&A? Is this the two of you? We shut down the Q&A last year because it's like, do it.
Starting point is 00:22:03 The Q&A's like, do Schwarzenegger. Damn. It's like, I don't do. Q&As are tough. Yeah, like to take all the variables out. And the book, we have a guy, Greg Baldwin, who's like the moderator. He's like the James Lipton. And then we do, you know, we just go back and forth, back and forth.
Starting point is 00:22:20 We tell a couple stories. And then we'll do like speed around, which is mostly cartoons. That sounds like a great show You like cartoons? Yeah Who's your favorite Muppet? Kermit Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:22:33 I just Hohol Kermit D-Frog No, I like some other ones Cookie Moss Who's a homeless guy? Are you guessing or like Who is your favorite mupp? No, I don't know
Starting point is 00:22:41 I'm not a puppet guy I'd be a chimp I'm not a Muppet guy Beaker Beaker's tight And his boss Professor Honeydew
Starting point is 00:22:51 Is that the bald guy? Yeah, he had no eyes But he had glasses Muppets are killing it I don't know Muppet guy I'm old school I like Bert Oh yeah Bert and Ernie
Starting point is 00:23:01 What was the story with them? Everybody Yeah one came out right Bert Everybody thinks Bert's an asshole But Ernie just wore him down Until he snapped Burtz just runs a tight ship
Starting point is 00:23:13 Yeah Military guy Navy guy Yeah Ernie was kind of a fuck around Bert's a total Navy guy Make the bed nice and really They have to be a little opposite
Starting point is 00:23:22 to make it work. So going back to Dana's question. Yes. Yeah. I didn't really bring anything other than impressions in, with me. But then I kept my impressions like a secret. And then I had resentments that nobody was writing sketches. Dumbest thing you've ever done.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Yeah. Which is, again, untreated off. Because, I mean, you did all these movies. And I see, like, as an actor, it's interesting. I'm jumping around. I'm sorry. My co-host is talking to. Oh.
Starting point is 00:23:48 My co-host was asking you something. I was just saying you're more than an impressionist in your career, you know, sports commentator. That's not what I was going to say. Well, that's the thing with impressions, too. When people go, how can we don't do impressions when you're on stage?
Starting point is 00:23:59 It's not, to me, it's not stand-up. It's a whole different toolbox. Yeah. I feel like I'm kind of cheating. Like, this isn't stand-up. I'm just doing these fucking voices. Well, it used to be, I would get teased a lot in San Francisco
Starting point is 00:24:10 like Bobby Slate. Yeah, yeah, do a funny voice. Do a funny voice. You know, that's all you do. And then I walked in in the Holy Cities of this little club one night, and he's doing one of the Bowery boys. That's like his big closing.
Starting point is 00:24:20 The Bowery boys. Yeah, the Bowery boys. Timely. Going back. Hang it. Yeah, it seems like it's a big advantage just to have impressions to go to, maybe not to depend on, but to go to on that show. Only if people know that you have them.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Didn't you just go around to office go, hey, how about this? They literally never found out. You got this secret weapon. No, they found out. Like, you know, it would be like whatever movie was playing. Right. I would start quoting the movie because I just talk in movie quotes all the time anyway. So that's how I got Keitel on.
Starting point is 00:24:55 Kytel. Look, I understand. You're super fucking pissed. Harvey Keitel. I don't know what you think you know, but you're wrong. He's a good kid. Guy tell I never hear anyone do. Well, unless you know you paid attention to the broadcast.
Starting point is 00:25:12 We did it. You were in the sketch. No, I know. We did. Wow, S&L's secret. Well, one was it? Where do you guys hide the cameras? We're not filming this stupid thing.
Starting point is 00:25:23 That's why we couldn't afford it. We didn't have to write. Describing what you're doing because we're stupid. No, my eye is fucked up. I was going to tell you when you came in. I don't know. I just, I woke up, my eye was red on the side, so it looks like shit.
Starting point is 00:25:36 But I think it's not life-threatening. Did you have characters when you came in? You know, we did the thing where you, like what you guys were saying about your stand-up, mine was just stories and stand-up and punch-lines and just talking. So I really wasn't loaded to go in there to go,
Starting point is 00:25:51 I think it's a good idea to go into the offices and say, hey, guys, I can do this or, hey, if you ever need something. But you have to, I'm wondering why does no one write for me, but no one even knows who I am. And they don't give a fuck. And they've got 10 guys that are great right there to pick from. So you almost have to go sell yourself, which is what we both didn't do. And I didn't have as much to offer. Like, I was just like sort of sarcastic. That might have been what they picked up just around the office or talking at the read-through table or it rewrites.
Starting point is 00:26:20 but you had some things that were useful like impressions and attitudes so I guess it would have been good for you to go to the smigel go to Conan go to those guys whoever was still around Jack Handy probably wouldn't have written that much for either of us because he was writing his own stuff that was
Starting point is 00:26:35 almost didn't need people well you want to have a reason to do the impression that's kind of organic those guys make a good right yeah sketch around your impression of you know it was funny like the things that don't get on like when you're just swinging
Starting point is 00:26:49 for the fences because you've had no sketches on for so long. I remember me and Steve looked at her head Christopher Walken as a waiter at Fridays and that was the whole sketch. Oh, it is that you... Like, you should have a dessert. It's Mount Fajopoulos. We would laugh like that.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Oh, it's fucking hilarious. And it goes to a table and it just takes a dump. Really? Yeah, that's such a funny... It was funny, but it's just like, what's the... What is the point? Yeah. What is your job?
Starting point is 00:27:17 Hey, I work here, right? I remember Andy Robin had a sketch. He wound up going on Seinfeld as a writer. But when he was on a snail, he had a sketch where people walk by each other in an office. And they go, how you doing? He goes, this week or something. They kept missing what they were saying. And they'd say the wrong answer.
Starting point is 00:27:38 You know what I mean? Like he misheard him or something or something dumb. But it was just walked by, the whole sketch, I think. And then he submitted it probably five times. And that is the hardest thing to do is if you're not getting on. And the second time you put a sketch in, I've done it, it's got a stink on it. No matter why it didn't. get on the first time. Even if the host, it got cut after dress or it killed, but then it bumped
Starting point is 00:27:59 with something, the second time just isn't as good. And it's just harder and harder to get something on. Did you re-submit things? You were saying you did Christopher Walker? Yes, I got, it got, why did it get cut? How did it get cut? The first, it was first week with Charles Barkley and Nirvana when I did Barkley versus Barney. Oh, that's great. As the cold open, which was just I panicked. I was like, Barclay, but like,
Starting point is 00:28:24 I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. And then I had to write it. And then, and you were Barney the dinosaur? No, no, it was because there was commercials
Starting point is 00:28:31 of Charles Barkley playing basketball against Godzilla for a night at the time. So I was like, that's a great idea. And I was like, oh,
Starting point is 00:28:40 this is great. Okay, I'm in. And then we shot it at Hunter College. It's like the next morning, like 8 a.m. Thursday morning.
Starting point is 00:28:49 And then when I get there, like, Al Franken's just got like, video village and he's like all right he's got a shot list in hindsight thank God because what am I? I was like you guys play basketball you beat up the guy in the Barney suit they had a stuntman
Starting point is 00:29:02 in a Barney suit yeah and I was like it's a very unfair tug of war guy that's been there eight days Al Franken the guy that's going to be a senator and the new guy yeah and the big argument was he he didn't
Starting point is 00:29:20 at one point I had Barclay kneeing just basketball's out the window and he just knees Barney and the nuts. And Franken goes, no, we're not doing that. And he's like, you can't have Barney knee and you can't have Charles Barkley knee and Barney and the nuts. You can't?
Starting point is 00:29:35 And that was like my only like thing where I dug in and I was like, this has to be. And we wound up doing it. But it was really bizarre. Was it in it? Yeah. Yeah. Got a lot.
Starting point is 00:29:44 And so the Psychic Friends Network, it was Nirvana and Barclay. No, sorry. It was the second week with the Shannon Doherty. and Cypress Hill What do you mean? Well, I'll tell you. So I had
Starting point is 00:29:59 So the concede of the sketch is Christopher Walkins, the last guy you want getting inside your head and helping you with psychic issues. It's like, you know, I can help you with romance. I could be in your garage waiting for you when you get home. It's a really good tone you have.
Starting point is 00:30:17 And then we had other, like David was you were Crispin Glover. like hey I want to help you it's all these celebrities that you don't want and then we got away to a phone and the phone doesn't ring because everybody's freaked out
Starting point is 00:30:32 and he keeps going why aren't you calling and I had Shannon Doherty of Sean Young in the cat suit because the story at the time was like she showed up to Warner Brothers dressed as cat woman because she wanted to part
Starting point is 00:30:42 and she freaked everybody out and then Shannon Doherty on Friday says I'm not comfortable making fun of Sean Young and was like Oh no No, that's a Pac-Man noise. Exactly. That's what I was saying.
Starting point is 00:30:55 A sketch loses momentum for that. And now you have to resubmit it. Oh, I was fucking heated. And then, so I was, well, not on that show. I thought my life was over. And then it was week three, Errol Smith and Jeff Goldblum. And I was in the writer's room just sulking,
Starting point is 00:31:13 just being a fucking baby. And Lauren comes in and goes, how's the Christopher Walken sketch coming? And I said, I'm not going to do it this week. and he goes, I think you have guilt and momentum on your side. Oh. And I was like, fucking.
Starting point is 00:31:28 I didn't have a computer. Oh, yeah. I was writing on yellow legal pad. Yeah. I didn't know where to hand it in. Like, I don't know where to hand it on a sketch. Yeah, Claire. Claire went home at fucking 10th.
Starting point is 00:31:39 It's 3 a.m. She used to trying to hand it to somebody. The only guys are hitting a button on their computer and the sketch goes to the magic sketch place. Oh, it sucks because you go in there, first of all, you write a legal pad. I go home at 3 in the morning, finish writing it. I have to take a cab back from the left side to hand it into Claire and the madmen girls
Starting point is 00:31:57 that are typing it. And then I go back home and then I come back for read-through. So it wasn't like attachments and there was no laptop. So it was fucking horrible. Remember that's how it was for you, right? Yeah. And I didn't know, I knew nothing about writing a sketch.
Starting point is 00:32:12 I didn't know if you're in the sketch. I don't know if I write David or do I write Crispin. Yeah. Like I just I still don't actually The lowest comment The most good question I'm not sure I know
Starting point is 00:32:25 At this moment Back then Did we put I just fucking Did we put names of us No you put the name of character No you put character Yeah
Starting point is 00:32:38 I remember you know I saw yesterday Ian Maxton And Dave Mandel Remember when a writer from us I remember Norm? Norm knocked them out Cold You remember that
Starting point is 00:32:48 I think he scored I don't ever see Norm being violent. Dave was, why not? I don't know. Norm violent? I never saw Norm. I was always what? Hey, I don't know I say I was violent.
Starting point is 00:32:59 He squirited it with water. By chance, you know. It was a cigarette thing. So Norm would smoke after the no smoking. Like this is, people don't understand. Like, it used to be like you could smoke in buildings. It was like whatever. And then all of a sudden it was like, by the way, like you're not allowed to smoke in buildings anymore.
Starting point is 00:33:14 So there was a grace period of people like, oh, that's right. I forgot. Or they didn't care. So Norm was on the same. where Farley got, where I tackled Farley, he was on that couch smoking, and Ian McStone Graham, all six, ten of them, walks in with his little faggy yogurt.
Starting point is 00:33:28 He always had like, like, yogurt. You mean, gay, a festive yogurt? Happy. That was the name of it, was Happy Gaye Yogurt. And he walks in with his yogurt and oats, and Norm smoking, and he had a plastic cup of water, and he just looked at Norm,
Starting point is 00:33:45 and he threw the water on Norm, and Norm just stood up, one punch, out. Norm was deceptively a big guy. You don't really think of it. I mean, he was sort of a beanpole in a way in the 90s. He got thicker. Big. Do you remember when you guys did the
Starting point is 00:34:00 crystal meth sketch? You were like Tony Robbins, the weight loss guy. I think it was you and Fred and it was Ride the Snake. Oh, yeah, ride the snake. You know, they show, basically you get people hooked on meth to lose weight. And on those commercials were they'll show like an outline of a fat body.
Starting point is 00:34:18 and it says like after six weeks and it goes in a little bit. This one was like six hours and it was like a skeleton. And so they had this thing of Farley at a drive-thru window a pre-filmed piece and he's like, let me have 14 cheeseburgers,
Starting point is 00:34:31 14 apple pies, 22 French fries and three chocolate milkshakes and the guy in the box goes, will that be all? And he goes, no. I'll also have... So we argued for two hours over what the back end of that order
Starting point is 00:34:45 should be. Like he should just repeat the exact same way. order or like, no, make that diet Coke. Or no, give me three apple pies. And for two hours, you know, it just goes around and around. And Norm was in the corner of the room. Like, I think it was 3.30 in the morning at this point.
Starting point is 00:35:01 Norm goes, hey, you know, you guys have Chris. It's a drive-thru window, you know. Don't give me all these burgers, you know. And the guy in the box goes, hey, will that be all? And how about Chris says, yes. That's a great norm That's an incredible norm When they filmed it
Starting point is 00:35:22 Chris had like this look of incredible pride The guy goes Will that be all I remember it Leans on his elbow He goes Yes
Starting point is 00:35:31 He was already working for him Like he had different habits At this point In his crystal meth career I mean I think It's amazing He could get a laugh With one syllable
Starting point is 00:35:42 We were just a pack of dogs hunting in the wrong direction. And Norm's like, eh, yes. Simplified it. Yeah, and we would go back and forth over many jokes like that. Like, how do you get out of the sketch? And if you're the writer of the sketch
Starting point is 00:35:55 or if it's your sketch, you do get to pick. Like, you get a Downey throwing a joke in, a smigle, a frank, and it's great. And you get to add, you're like, when Rob did a copy machine and everyone's like, stings, stinging it. You know, everyone throw in anything, and you get the benefit of a room. Every sketch does, not just Rob's, everyone.
Starting point is 00:36:14 That's fun. Downing, I remember once, it's like week three, and he goes, you know, I got, I want to talk to you about comedy writing at some point. And I was like, oh, yeah. About what? Comedy writing? I was like, great. And so I was like, hey, you got time? And he's like, no, not today.
Starting point is 00:36:28 It'll be like down the line. Me and you were going to sit down. I want to talk to you about comedy writing. So it's like week, I don't know, 17. Yeah. And he goes, Jay, what are you doing? Like, he goes, when are we going to have that talk about comedy writing? And I was like, I'm ready.
Starting point is 00:36:44 And he goes, come on in. Oh. And he goes, you know what the three funniest words in comedy are? I go, no, he goes, full-blown AIDS. Full-blown AIDS. And I go, yeah? He goes, yeah, all right. Thanks for coming by.
Starting point is 00:36:58 That was it. He set me up for four months. Set you up. Four months. And then he says, when are we going to have that talk? Full-blown AIDS. We saw Downey this week. Really?
Starting point is 00:37:07 And I had dinner with him last night. Yeah. He talked about the Indian British War. in 1740 for like an hour. Unbelievable mind. This just in. Oh, yeah. It's so fun to listen to him to talk about American history.
Starting point is 00:37:21 He'll go into a college library for hours in Yale or something. I love when he turned up on sketches or like when Smigel would turn up on a sketch. I always feel like, ooh. Somebody from the other side cracked through. I know. Cracked through. It's hard. Be a feature player.
Starting point is 00:37:36 I think Odin Kirk and Conan were feature players, and they never got a fair shake to be in, especially when I was there. The only time I saw Conan on camera was that Get Handsome skies when Mike Myers was doing. All right. Get Handsome Club or whatever. He was one of the guys in the audience. Like, I got handsome. Oh, yeah. That was probably for an Alec Baldwin type host, too.
Starting point is 00:37:55 How about the amount of rewrites when they're not needed? Like Mike Myers would just hand in these perfect sketches and you'd just sit in a room for eight hours when guys would just dissect his sketch. He's going to work. It's just, it's just Mike. I know. Why are we doing it? It's perfect. If people at home don't know, the rewrite table would have started.
Starting point is 00:38:11 one on Thursday after read-through? Read-through's money. I mean, ideally. It starts around one, roughly, and it goes to about 4 a.m. So you're there, that's a long haul. And every sketch gets about two hours or something.
Starting point is 00:38:25 It just gets my mom. What's the time of the restaurant you mentioned? Walley and Joseph. I remember. I felt like a big shot when you're like, come on, we're going on. Oh, yeah. It's fun.
Starting point is 00:38:33 Wally and Joseph's. But I always felt, because you came in with, like, Timmy, and like you said, like Adam and Rob. And so you guys were kind of a group. And then when I came in, anytime I was with you guys, I felt like a freshman hanging out with seniors. You're in the conversation, but you're not real. But you weren't part of like the next group.
Starting point is 00:38:50 You were sort of a tweener kind of right? Yeah. It was me, Sarah, Norm, and all the Harvard guys, like Steve Luckner, Lou Morton, Dave Mandel, and then David Tell also. There's so many Ivy League writers on SNL. I know. I know.
Starting point is 00:39:07 Where'd you go to college? You know, no one's ever asked me that in my life. Really? Ever. I used to do a joke about it. Nobody's ever asked me, where'd you go to college? It's just implied.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Only kids are you mentioning the Harvard guys. This is New Jersey Public School. San Francisco State, baby. 95 bucks a semester. Yeah? Oh, it's just a joke school. It's not Harvard, is it?
Starting point is 00:39:28 Because there's no curriculum for stand-up comedy. Right. And so it's just like, what is this? We're adding letters. Like, what the fuck are we talking about? Yeah. Then you go, but like.
Starting point is 00:39:39 She just got in the clubs right out of high school now. Yeah, I started at 16, same as you. 16? I didn't start a 16. What did I say? You said 20. He said 60. Said 20.
Starting point is 00:39:50 Yeah, you didn't let me finish. I have another question for you. Ready? By the way, when you look up research on you, it says what Jay's favorite songs are. Really? Why? I think that was a Don I miss question. You got to give them your top five songs.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Oh, I hear because it's out in the ether. What's the difference between what you could talk about your first marriage versus your recent marriage? I mean, being a mature... Is it easier to be married later in life? Being a mature adult, getting married as opposed to being young. Lauren said... Something wise.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Every man should have three marriages. One in his 20s and 30s, one in his 40s, and the third in his 50s when he knows what he really wants. And that's exactly how it went with me. You have three? Did you have three?
Starting point is 00:40:36 Okay. And Jeannie's the first... I'm not going to say marriage because I don't want to put anybody on blast, but like the first woman I've ever been with that just wasn't like depressed. So it's like with her career and like her own, like, oh, I'm going to go look at. I'm going to go. What did you say? I said, there's some blast.
Starting point is 00:40:54 No, no, but I get it. But you're younger. Expound on that. The one I knew was an actress, seemed like a great girl. And that, I think everyone just changes in life. So you change, maybe she changes. Maybe it's a great run. And then it just turns into something else.
Starting point is 00:41:10 it doesn't work out. The first one I just was never like in love. Yeah. Just sort of, that's how it goes. That's the progression of a relationship. You know, when you're dating somebody and you're young and they go, why don't, why don't we go steady and you're like, you know, because I'm from the 50s? Yeah. When are you to wear my sweater?
Starting point is 00:41:25 My pin. When are you going to do this? When are we going to live together? And you're like, all right. We'll live together. I'm trying to Colin Quinn. All right. We'll live together.
Starting point is 00:41:33 Yeah. Let's not, you know, cohabitates too long. I digress. And that is a great calling. When are we going to get to call him. all these out. He just did in a brilliant column. When are we going to get engaged? When are we going to get married? And the proposal was like, there's your ring. Are you happy?
Starting point is 00:41:47 Like, that's actually how it went? So that's not a good old way. So that happens a lot. Six years. And then I was on the show and she was in L.A., so I was. Let me insert this. Did you ever hear Lauren say this? There's something about a man in his 40s and a woman in her 20s. They're both at the peak of their power. Did he say that? It's almost Dr. Evil. That was almost Jimmy Stewart. Yeah, they're both at the peak of their power.
Starting point is 00:42:12 And the other quote, have you heard this one? I said it on the podcast, Lauren, again, marriage is a prison that everyone's trying to escape into. You know who said that? Chris Jenner. Anyway. So the second marriage. How do you know what you said?
Starting point is 00:42:29 I'm embarrassed at how I was all fired up by calling. Well, I wanted to call out that you're just, I said. He's throwing in these subtle impressions. So give us a little. Wait, let me get a second. What was the quote, though? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:41 Marriage is a prison that everyone's trying to escape into. Oh. Well, I don't feel that way this time because I'm, you can understand. Okay. All right. Let's break it down. As of today, I've been sober two years and six months. Oh, that's it.
Starting point is 00:42:57 So I met Jeannie after my divorce where that a divorce is the biggest hole in your soul because you get married because you're certain it's an impossibility that you're going to get divorced. That's why you get married like, oh, this is it. This is great. And then when that starts, when the panels kind of start coming off to space shuttle, it gets, you get nuts. Christy McAuliffe said this same thing.
Starting point is 00:43:23 It feels to me like a marriage, the one thing a marriage can't survive is contempt. Yeah. Either from either side. Well, if you were not, if you were, if you were a drink or whatever, Well, what was your drug of choice? This time it was Adderall. Adderall?
Starting point is 00:43:40 I went down. Oh, it helped me focus on getting... I think more people did you. So then you started taking it just to feel okay? After the divorce, it was like, well, shit. Like, I just wanted to, like, feel something. I've always been a drug addict and an alcoholic. It wasn't like this one event made me this thing.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Like, I was an alcoholic and drug addict when I was born. And long before I ever picked up a drink, I've always needed more than anybody else in every capacity. And yeah, it's just a genetic brain chemistry. Everybody else has this like plan for living that I'm not aware of. And I always felt like on the outside looking in. Like if you and I were kids and I was at your house and we were on your couch watching TV, I would spend that entire time trying to convince you that we were having a good time on your couch watching TV.
Starting point is 00:44:22 Like I was just needy. Desperations got a very distinct scent and I stunk. Well, yeah, that's. And we all are having a fist fight in our head, either a lot or a little. Yeah. So I quit drinking 1998 and then I use drugs alcoholically. I'm a big pill guy. I love pills.
Starting point is 00:44:40 So it was like Viking and Norco. And then when I stopped that a couple times and then Adderall is the one that brought down the beast. And so the divorce didn't make me use. I chose to go back to using drugs. Like I felt like I was, I like having a secret. Like I'm getting away with something. So this is right when the pandemic was starting kind of.
Starting point is 00:44:58 In the middle of the pandemic was fantastic. Oh, I was just snorting Adderall. and I was paddleboarding and fishing for my paddle board. I was just insane. I lived in Malibu on the water, and I would just store rails of Adderall. Did it make you lose a tremendous amount of weight? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:12 I went into treatment at like 160. I'll show you my before. You know, Adderall is big. I was having lunches people about only like a year ago, and the guy goes, I wish I had my Adderall with me. I don't have one. And the waitress came out of him. He goes, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Yeah. And I was like, does everyone have an adoril? He's like, yeah. I know people take a decent amount and then write or do a project. Yeah. But then add addiction is a whole other. Well, it's hard to keep it in check, I'm sure.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Yeah. So I met Jeannie at the very beginning where it was like manage it. It's fun, fun with problems, then it's problems. So she met me at the fun. And then it was fun with problems. She was, I had a radio show and I interviewed her over the phone. And I imagine that there was like a vibe there over the phone. And I like, all right, joining us now.
Starting point is 00:45:55 It was Jeannie Bus on the hotline. And then I went to the Twitter DM. I asked her to do my podcast. and then I had left my house. I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel. And when I went to the elevators to go get her, when she walked out of the elevator, it was just, I was done.
Starting point is 00:46:14 Like, it was slow motion. It was actually, for me, it was love at first time. So you talk to her on the phone or over in the radio, and then you see her in person. So the vibe is so strong, just instant. I mean, it was one-sided. Like, you know, she was, I don't think she had love at first sight, but I remember it was slow motion.
Starting point is 00:46:30 I remember like there was a green elevator door and that palm tree carpet I was like whoa and I just wanted to be with her all the time and then she's a happy person is kind of what you alluded to
Starting point is 00:46:41 like that's very well I'm a happy person too like that's but you were coming right off the addiction at that point yeah and it was like this person like I don't know
Starting point is 00:46:51 it was just like it was a puzzle piece that had been missing from my big jigsaw puzzle my whole life I felt and then my drug addiction got really bad and she was at my intervention, which was at my, an intervention being the worst surprise party you'll ever go to. You look in, like, everybody you love is there and you're like, hey, oh no. And I thought she did the intervention. So, you know, when you're angry pack,
Starting point is 00:47:17 you either never take your eyes off, you either don't look at them at all. Yeah. Or you never take your eyes off them. Angry packing. Yeah. So I was like, I was just angry packing for rehab, and I never took my eyes off a genie. And then I got to rehab. and all I had with socks. You did so badly. Yeah. And then, you know, so she stuck with me. She stuck with you.
Starting point is 00:47:38 That's a big deal. Like, I was a mess. Like, I was a mess. If the world was fair, like, we definitely wouldn't be together. I would have lost that prize. And we got married last week. It's eight days today. Any SNL people?
Starting point is 00:47:53 No. They're gross. There's only 20 people. Yeah, I guess the odds aren't in our favor. David, I need you to pick the energy up. little bit. This is how low high energy has ever been.
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Starting point is 00:48:56 fuzzy feeling you get when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to WestJetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at Westjet.com slash 30. years. So now this marriage is like none other. Like the, nothing against the first two wives. No, I think it's like, it's also like you know it's your last. Yeah. It's like I'm 53. And it's, um, when you've, when you've been so humbled and demoralized and you've come completely undone. And then you've brick by brick and stone by stone built yourself back up into it. a human being that you've been meant to be the whole time. And that person's waiting for you at the end of that journey.
Starting point is 00:49:46 I mean, that's, who else would you want to spend the rest of the last? What's your coping mechanisms when you feel bad if it's not Adoral or whatever? I'm a weird guy. Do you meditate? Do you take a hike? Yeah, every day. I don't really feel bad, though. I'm one of those weird, I'm wired weird.
Starting point is 00:50:00 For an addict, usually it's some anxiety. Ordo you just wake up, kind of fired up. I always know you to be upbeast. Yeah, I'm a happy dude. Yeah. Like, I've always been that way. I don't know. Sometimes it's just the way your hard drive is installed. I think so. It feels like it's a thermostat that you get at birth.
Starting point is 00:50:14 Yeah. Because even if I was in a cover of Rolling Stone or something else, I felt I was always in this certain range on a one to 10, maybe six or a seven. Not happy to go lucky, but it stayed kind of consistent. Yeah, and in addiction, it goes the other way, whereas it just becomes this mania. Like, yeah, also, when I was in my addiction, I was diagnosed manic depressive. I was diagnosed bipolar and then I work a program
Starting point is 00:50:42 and I go through 12 steps for a program that might be anonymous and then that became now I have like this monotheism for all of my problems like every single problem in my life it can be remedied by the program so they're not no one's suggesting medication or anything
Starting point is 00:51:04 for bipolar. No, actually got off, that was the end of the story that I forgot to put in is at about a year and a half sober, I got off all my medication. And it was just, it was a direct result of my drug addiction.
Starting point is 00:51:15 It's good. It's like the old equalizers on a car stereo where you get them just right. And when you snort at all, you just blast them all up to 10 across travel, base, fader, this. And then when you come off them, boom,
Starting point is 00:51:28 they come crashing back down. And then you just keep jamming them back and forth, back and forth. And it's just not an accurate, it's just not an accurate gauge of how you're actually feeling because you're either in mani or,
Starting point is 00:51:37 or you're just completely panicked because you're going to run out of drugs. Damn. So Saturday Live is an emotionally violent place for anyone with mental health stuff. Yeah, but I was, I'm, one of the best things I learned in recovery was that I am the reason for all of my suffering,
Starting point is 00:51:57 which thrilled me because if I'm the reason for my suffering, then I always have a solution. I can change how I'm looking at something or I can go be of service and help somebody else And then just because if I'm pissed off, it's really just a perverse selfishness. Because if I'm pissed off, I'm only thinking about me. So as an active alcoholic on Saturday Night Live,
Starting point is 00:52:19 it's, you know, woe is me, pour me, pour me, pour me a drink. So it's like I didn't get my sketch on like, oh, this fucking blues, bull. And that's, if I could do it again, to be, I guess it's like the classic S&L lament, Oh, if I could be 53 in that 23-year-old body and just be like, okay. I can do it. I get to watch Nirvana rehearse.
Starting point is 00:52:43 I know. You didn't even think of how great we had it, like, see Nirvana in the cafeteria eating. I never felt like they owed me anything. Or even in stand-up. I remember I would talk to young comedians. Like, they get all into the drama. Yeah, I was friends. Crystal was so.
Starting point is 00:52:57 Into the drama of stand-up. I'm getting fucked, man. I should be middling by now. And they put that guy getting all wound up in that. I think guys like you and me had a lot of success quickly. Like it was sort of, yeah, don't you think so? Like you're, like, you're, like, I had a lot of stage fright. Well, there were no comedy clubs when I started, literally.
Starting point is 00:53:18 I opened for bands. That's really the key to enjoying the benefits of the program. Yeah. That'll set you back. Yeah, just opening for bands and getting annihilated stuff. Normal stuff. But once I got into a club, a real club, not a honky-talk bar, like the other cafe and the hate, I started to progress just because of the environment.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Yeah, well, your talent, though, it's, you can't, it's, you can't deny it. I think it's, would you say that you rose quickly once you got into the right environment of clubs? I would say that as quickly as I can that I never was able to wrap my mind around, like, I'm one of those guys, like I'm going to be on TV, like, like Jerry Lewis or Jackie Leas or something. And so I was, I did a lot of shitty television. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:04 Because I had no, they offered me Blue Thunder and I was in a helicopter, James Farentino, who was coked out and drinking straight vodka, by the way. And what else do you do in helicopter? Yeah, I know. So it, it, in retrospect, it seems like. I played Morongo Casino and they sent the helicopter for me. Fuck yeah. And my pilot was Lorenzo Llamas. Shut the fudge.
Starting point is 00:54:28 And they said, yeah. At Van Nuys Airport, they're like, this is your pilot. We call him Lorenzo Llamas. And I was like, ah, yeah, it looks like him. And then we're like somewhere over like Ontario. And I look at him, it says Lamas on his headset. To make it grind it into you. Yeah, I was like.
Starting point is 00:54:43 To make sure you ask him. Yeah, only on my side. I was only on my side. He has to switch it. And I wanted to ask him like, are you Lorenzo Llamas? But I didn't want to be that obvious. So I was like, hmm. So it was like, how much money you are?
Starting point is 00:54:59 Do you think you've left on the table doing this? That was pretty smooth to ask him that, right? Is that what you said? Instead of saying, like, are you? And he goes, oh, 95% of it. I'm like, okay, that's Lorenzo Lama. Yeah. So he's a helicopter pilot that takes people to the wrong.
Starting point is 00:55:13 He just digs it. And then he stayed, I said, come to the show. And he's like, I'm not supposed to. I'm like, come on. So he stayed for the show. And then we flew home. And somewhere over like the desert. He goes, do you mind if we stop for gas?
Starting point is 00:55:27 In the helicopter? Who says no to that? In the hell of him? I got to verb. I prefer, let's just write it out. We got it. The L-A-X. What do you want, E?
Starting point is 00:55:36 Before Jay goes, I'll tell them one more thing. Was I, I auditioned for Jerry McGuire. You did? Yeah, for your part. Really? Yeah, Bob Sugar. Interesting. So who got it?
Starting point is 00:55:49 Anyway. You know who at it when we were auditioning there? Is that Cameron Crow? Yes. There was already an offer to Owen Wilson because they had done Jim Brooks and Owen Wilson. Wilson had already done bottle rocket together. Hey. So by the time that, I don't know about you, but, but hey.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Hey. Hey, when I knew Owen Wilson. When I do Owen Wilson, it sounds like Jennifer Coolidge. I mean, I try to do it. But my mouth gets too tight. And I like I say, we take it up. I do him telling a toddler he can't have any more candy. Please, let me.
Starting point is 00:56:24 I don't think you should have any more candy. I'm just doing Melissa. I love that guy. I do. He's the greatest. When I was a haunted mansion, I'm like, oh, he was on the screen. I'm like, Owen Wilson. I love this guy.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Woody Harrelson, Matthew McConaughey. Yeah. Three Texas eccentrics put them in some movie Hollywood. I love those. Here's my Colin Quinn when I said his friend just moved in with his girlfriend. I go, does he, did he like moving in with his girlfriend? He goes, what do you think? What do you think?
Starting point is 00:56:54 Anyway. Before we leave, I don't know, this is a quick podcast. I got to tell you two spade stories that are fantastic. Oh, good. I love it. I was doing, I went back to see the show, and I was filming Picture Perfect with Jennifer. And I see Davey in the hallway and he goes,
Starting point is 00:57:11 how do you like working with Jenny? And I go, I'm such a dick. I go, I don't know, she smokes cigarettes. And he goes, let her down easy. Is it the most David joke ever? That is exactly how it went. Letter down easy. And they did that David thing when he goes.
Starting point is 00:57:29 And then we. we were at a strip tub and the dancer I'm being generous, the dancer, the artist. You know like when male bodybuilders, they can flex their pecks? Arnold used to do that. Yeah. So this girl would do it.
Starting point is 00:57:46 And so she's dancing for David and she's going like doing the bodybuilder booblox and it's like two songs go by and she circles back around and she does it again and David goes, seen it. She just She was like
Starting point is 00:58:04 She just got humiliated Like You were like Seeing it That's very David Yeah God it reminds me We went out
Starting point is 00:58:16 We got a picture with Oh whatever Who cares Okay thank you Jay We You have the best fucking stories This is great I know
Starting point is 00:58:23 Thank you for coming on buddy Amazing This is great It's easy right Like you could do it on Zoom I'm like Oh I want to hang out Oh it's fun to come in here
Starting point is 00:58:30 We like when people come in. We do a lot of Zooms, trust me. A lot of Zoom. A lot of Zoom's, but we, uh, Carcenio. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I understand that a crib is, uh, your house and your bed. I know, I can't put it. It's a long fingers.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Got a love. A fucking wig. Carcinio. Yeah, I'll show you something when we're done here. Oh, yeah. Because it's, it's Farley and Hartman on. on a Carson episode. Or they Domde-L-L-Ewees and
Starting point is 00:59:04 where they flip out. Did you ever see that? Yes. It's so fucking funny. Do you remember when Far, on the scared straight, motivational speaker, we made an arrangement
Starting point is 00:59:14 like when Farley falls through the wall of the prison, we were all going to run out then we all run out of escape. We're all going to fall on top of Chris as a joke. So he can't come back in and say live from New York.
Starting point is 00:59:26 Oh, that's funny. So Chris goes through the wall, me, you, Sandler, and Timmy fall on top of Chris and he just lifts us up like leave bags. Like he didn't, the time, it peels us up. Not even a joke. Not even one second was, it didn't cost one, just, all right from New York.
Starting point is 00:59:46 And he had the line where him and Martin Lawrence are selling us back and forth for cigarettes because that's the prison thing. And Farley was supposed to go sold seven bitches to the homie and the cornrows. And instead, so you're the camera, he goes, sold seven bitches to the Corrie and the Home Heroes. Oops. He just looks down the barrel. Looks in the camera.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Oops. Oh, I love you, Chris. All right. All right, thanks, boys. Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app. Give us a review, five-star rating, and maybe you can share an episode that you've loved with a friend.
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