Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - RE-RELEASE - Marc Maron

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

We revisit the pioneer of podcasting who interviewed Neil Young, Springsteen, and Robin Williams, and did a scene alongside Robert De Niro. It’s our chat with Marc Maron. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We got Mark Maren. This is a republished, polished up winner that we had. We wanted to let you guys hear again. This is Mark Maren, one of the OG monster podcasters out there. And one, I don't know the exact history, but kind of one of the pioneers, along with Marky, Joey Rogan was new. Markey got out there early But what's interesting about this one

As you listen to it is like his He gets to interview Springsteen Neil Young Obama was a very big deal And we'll talk all about that So it's a very interesting podcast Interesting

I think he ended his whole run Of his whole podcast with Obama It's not a bad one to go out with Yeah, that's true It was either that or Senator John Kennedy was going to be his guess. Now, you were the first podcaster. Did I get that right? Or was it Joey Rogan? I heard a rumor that Joe Rogan is going to change his last name to Joe Rogan,

and apparently it's a billion-dollar contract. That would be a good move. It's something we would ask Mark Merrin about. Right now, you're going to get to listen to one of our golden movies. Mark Marin, here he is. Are you in the same house? You're in the same? You have not moved. Since you did it?

Because it looks familiar. This is a different house, but this stuff behind me probably looks familiar because all this stuff from that original garage is in this room. Are you in the same neighborhood? You don't have to tell us your actual address. Is it Lose Fields?

You want me to send you a link to a map where everybody could. No, drop me a PIR. Well, I already have a map of your house. That'll be for, it's called after talk. Anyway, whatever. No, I'm in Glendale. I was in Highland Park.

I got it. Yeah. I like that place. The old place? Yeah, I mean, it was casual and cool. Yeah. Tars and Cozy. A little more spread out.

Before, like, it was like, that was less than a thousand square feet, one bathroom. Like, if you had to go to the bathroom, you had to go into the same bathroom that, you know, I use. Who? I live in a very small house. Everything you own owns you back. I'm not into it. You occupy a house. You live in your body.

You can't fuck a house. You can't eat it. I think you can't fuck a house. It really just depends on where you enter. I saw a thing I'm going to be about it. Communists don't laugh. They just think of it. What about the guy that married his car?

You know. I want to start the podcast this way. Every comedian knows this about you. Ah, where were you, David, when you heard that Mark Married, has Barack Obama on his podcast. Because that was like, what the fuck? Because this was early days of podcasting. I remember being blown away by that.

I think most people were still kind of like, what is the podcast exactly? And where do I got to go? Yeah. Totally. It was 2012, right? 16. It was 16. The number of people that used to come down that old house would drive out to my driveway

and literally say, like, where are we? Is this part of L.A.? I've never been out here. What are we doing? Yeah. I can't believe you got him out there because I can't believe you got me out there. I can't believe you got Todd Glass out there. So Obama was a bigger one.

Yeah, Rich Voss was right after Obama. That was tough to get him out. Yeah, it gets hard sometimes. Was it a ratings drop so much you pulled a muscle? We just thought it was appropriate to just continue what we were doing. Right. We did one episode where me and my producer discussed the day of having Obama on the the podcast and we went right to Rich. And I, you know, Rich is going to pull what he's going to pull.

It's, you know, somewhere lower middle. It's okay. Well, Rich is no offense to him. I was just laughing. Like, whoever has to follow Obama is just going to be a tough sledding. That's right. I don't know if he, I don't know if he thought about it like that. Rich is, uh, Rich is a good guy. I don't think he goes a shit. So everyone began out of podcast now. Like literally, so you, you, it's you and Rogan, right? 2009. So I guess there was, it was really like Carolla was there. Rogan, I don't think started at the same. I think Rogan started a little after us, but like Jimmy Pardo was there.

Benson, Benson was probably there. Maybe Hardwick was like starting out. I think Rogan started a little after me, but there was like four or five guys collectively not making money doing podcasts. You know, Todd Gloss is good at not making money. And I think he had one early. He's a good friend of money. Right, with Jimmy Dorr.

Yeah. So that's a one. That was there. I think what happened with that was he put in all that work and was very forward thinking. And I think got out right before the money maybe. Or does he still do it? No, I think that's Todd's whole plan in general, is to try to get out. Get ahead of making the money.

Yeah, that's kind of. What's funny is I used to think a podcast because he had it at my friend's car shop upstairs, which he just rented, which was perfect. It was perfect. Yeah. The odd thing about the whole undertaking was none of us really, there was really no money to be made. You know, Adam was like doing his radio show. So he was kind of subsidized somehow.

Did he get fired and said, okay, I'm just going to do it on here kind of thing? There wasn't a 97.1 maybe. Or he got fed up mad about something. Something like that. Not fired, but whatever. He was all worked up. And, you know, he was going to take his stories about, you know, drywalling from 20 years you go elsewhere.

He is a handyman. That's funny. He's good with a tool. Yeah. But I was like, I got a little bit of a tsunami warning because I remember I thought corolla's, I think I went on there a little early,

where I was like before the real podcast thing was sort of hitting, which it was sort of a slow, I could get a feel for it before most people, because everyone else has just got their head doing their work and they do normal jobs. but I started to go, oh, no, is this something? And then I said, I'm going to wait until it's a little late. Then we're going to try one.

Yeah, no, but the good thing about when you guys got in is somebody realized, like, hey, you guys have names. You can't lose. Before, it was like, who the fuck are these guys? Well, we found a way to lose. Well, good for you. But I don't think anybody really realizes the excitement in, you know, when you, when Corolla was like the only game in town, like,

I think there's a sort of baptism when one goes on to Corolla's show to be talked at by Corolla. That's a good hour of entertainment where you're there as a guest and he talks at you and then says, okay, well, thanks for coming by. It's something to be experienced. We're working on that. There's room for everybody. But did you have a eureka moment that you could call back on like, holy shit, maybe there's

money in this? Because how long did you do it essentially for free before your trillion. You're a trillionaire. Hold on. I'm watching my cat throw up. Don't eat plastic. Did you have a urethra moment? I did when I peed last night.

I'm checking celebrity net worth. Okay. Anyway, so. I don't even know if that's right. Well, well. No, I'm kidding. I didn't check. What happened was there was like at the beginning, you either had, if you were going to put up

a paywall, you couldn't. couldn't get new audience, right? So we had done a radio show. A goodbye wall? Yeah, goodbye well. No one welcome. Let's put up a goodbye wall on ours, Dan. You can do it.

Well, that was before the, what is it called? What's the thing everyone does where they can get a pay page, Pantheon or what is it? Oh, Raytheon. We all don't know. Raytheon. You know, that Patreon. I know what you mean. Patreon.

on. So what we did was we had like two advertisers from the old radio days. It was sex toys. It was like Adam and Eve sex toys. And we had crazy Eddie's electronics, that kind of thing. But then we had the coffee sponsor. But there was, there was really no way to make money except for the old school radio way. And then ultimately we started working with old-timey radio ad people. And then Jeff Ulrich and Scott Ackerman put midroll together and the Earwolf Network and that created a platform to get

advertisers into specifically podcasting. So everyone sort of came up together but it wasn't until I guess Hey Charlie, get away from the plastic. Charlie, I'm going to throw you out, stupid. So that's how you talk to a cat by the way. Is that your tech? Yeah, that's my producer.

That's your IT guy. I don't know. You know, it was a slow, going, but the great thing about it was everybody kind of came up together, sort of like show business. Everybody was kind of figuring it out as we all went along, and then big money got involved, and then some people won, and some people did okay. Come on. Dude, Charlie's here now. Charlie, give me that plastic. Hold on. Let me get him out of there. Let me get him out of here. This cat is magic. Honestly, put him on on Glendale Freeway. I know.

I can't just, get out. You can eat plastic and throw up. I don't care. It's showbiz, Heather. We've got to get Charlie on the room. But yeah, I mean, it took a long time to really get it together and then to make a living. It took years for my producer to come on with me permanently. He was actually had another job at MSNBC while he was kind of moonlighting. And he couldn't even admit that he worked with me. Because there's a non-disclosure. You couldn't, you know, he couldn't. Oh, I see. Yeah, it was it was part of his contract with MSNBC. And I felt horrible about it because he's doing half the work.

And I just had to be like, well, I have a mystery guy that helps me with this. I send it into the ether once or twice a week. It's good. More attention on you. That's not horrible. Yeah, sometimes not great for me. What's the headspace like when you first start doing this, I guess, when it starts to emerge, you're starting to be successful.

Right. And you're going, okay, I did this interview. I get this many, this reaction. I do this interview. Holy shit, this is 10 times 10x. I think the exciting part about it was, was like as the podcast situation grew, I was doing a type of interview that not many people were doing anymore.

So the entertainment press sort of realized I was doing most of their job. So we got a lot of attention. But I was really focused on having these conversations and trying to, you know, make amends were necessary. I think the first 100 episodes are me just to have. having people over so I can talk about my problems and apologize to them. And that's, and it's weird how many times you do that. And people go, like, I had no idea what you're talking about.

And you're like, I'm a fucking idiot. So that was how that unfolded. But the excitement of having Robin on, because that interview seems to be like the only interview like that. Like when he died, it was everywhere because he never talked like that. And those kind of rare conversations definitely happened. That was interesting. because you did, it became very, very real with Robin, and he never, you know, he had made amends

to me in Mill Valley on a sidewalk just after a show. Yeah. And I didn't know why. For a bit he just stole. Sorry. I just said to him, he had some idea that I took, I said, I tried to do you. You don't understand. Yeah. Oh, wow. I had a trunk of props. I worshipped you, you. And I don't know if it was from A.A. something like, oh, this wasn't supposed to go this way. You know, it's supposed to be a hug. You're forgiven. I didn't, he thought I had a thing where I named my dick, Mr. Happy, and that he took that for me. I know that's not true. I never did Mr. Happy. Look with the cut. Look where this goes on podcast.

That's hilarious. That was the amends. It wasn't even like some deep personal affront. It's like, I know you might have called your dick, Mr. Happy. And, oh, that's the best He said it to me 20 years earlier at Dennis Miller's wedding. We were at the same table. I wonder perhaps I got Mr. Happy from you. And I go, no. And then it tortured him. It stuck with him.

Well, the funny thing about that interview is I drove up there at Mill Valley to his house. And what I realized it was the same with Mel Brooks is that if they don't have more than two people to play to, they're not going to turn it on like that. Like, it was just me and Robin. If there had been one other person there, they would have the Carnegie Hall saying. Yeah. My dick's name is Mr. Sad in a side note. And no one's stolen it yet. Ah.

Okay, that's all I wanted. Go ahead. My dick's name is, my dick's name is you got this. You got it. You know, my name is, come on, champ. Come on, champ. My pronouns are, what's up, motherfucker?

Yeah, there you go. Call her then. So you get successful. I want to do a deep dive on you. Yes. But your brand of authenticity. No, I have a question from Mark Merritt. Did you guys run out of SNL guests?

How did I get this game? No, this is good because you. Your story of SNL, just a quick insert, David. When we interviewed Lauren Michaels, I listened to your podcast about auditioning for SNL just to get ideas of how Lauren is in that environment. So you are an SNL guy. Your journey with that is fascinating if you want to talk about it. My obsession with it.

What's your question, David? I'd like to converse. This one, we can do this first or SNL first, but mine was, why did you start it? Was it only to make amends? Was that to start a podcast? No, because, you know, I was kind of down for the count. You know, it turns out that, you know, 50 Conans don't necessarily. Don't add up to a Carson.

Don't add up to a Conan's. An audience. I was going to say I saw 50 Conan's on here and I was going to say, does that bump your road? Does it, you know. No, it didn't. 50 Cohnens? I don't even know, like, I could, I never could pull an audience and, and, you know, I was, I was going through a divorce. I was in a dark place. I just gotten fired from this radio gig.

Well, it was a streaming gig for Air America. And there were a couple podcasts out there, and we were like, well, let's, let's figure it out. I talked to my producer, who I've known since he was a kid, 24 years old. He worked with me forever. And we just figured it out. But it was really desperation and wanting to stay in the game somehow because I was looking down the barrel at a lifetime of, you know, kind of, you know, be comedy rooms as a non-selling headliner. And, you know, maybe. Yeah, I know.

I know. I have friends that are in that mid-level market. And there's cruise ships and old boats homes and clubs off-label clubs out in the hindermen. I couldn't do it. It's tough. But I couldn't do it. There was no way I could have done. How am I going to do a cruise ship?

I can barely do like what? I don't know. But because of the podcast, because of the cosmic timing or what, everything that I have now came from that. Like, you know, doing the TV show for IFC, you know, drawing an audience for my comedy, acting gigs. Everything happened because of that sort of act of desperation and Hail Mary pass, which had no future.

There was no. I wasn't getting into a business. I was like, this is going to, we're going to really make some money on this. It was like, we didn't even know how to get people to listen to it. Yeah. You were like Bitcoin, like no one cared. No one cared. I wasn't, yeah, I wasn't even a meme at that point.

Yeah. But it worked out. I mean, you know, thank God. It worked out. I don't even, I can't even explain it because I don't, I'm not like a big, not big thing. I don't think about money, David. Yeah.

Oh, you don't. I like having it enough to eat. Yeah. You know, like, that's, that's the, that's how much. my brain works is like, well, what do you have, you have money now? What do you do? I can eat wherever I want. That's the ceiling. Money, money is freedom. That's what's for. Even the great Neil Young, about two years ago, finally sold part of his catalog and said, I can, and this is Neil Young. You'd think he'd be so rich, but he said, now I can do whatever the fuck I want. I don't have to

tour if I don't want to, that he bought his freedom. So money to me, especially, especially as an older comedian, you want to be able to work the way you want to work. So that's true thing about Neil Young is he really, he kind of held back on what seems to be about 50 records he never released. So he somehow or another, he can release records every year or so, you know, from 1970. Oh, yeah. And it's amazing. If you have, if you're spending three, four million a year, then you have, you need a lot of money to cough that up, you know. But I was going to ask you about your library because is it 1,600 episodes?

Something like that. Yeah, it's like about 1,600. But Neil came over once. That was interesting with Neil. Oh, you could interview. Oh, you had Neil. What's he like that? Tell me about that.

Well, because I, you know, I'm enough of a fan to know enough about it. I'm much better if I'm not a big fan of somebody in terms of interviewing. And I didn't know what to expect. He was out pushing. Remember when he made that he was partnered up with a company that made that thing that was supposed to compete with the iPod? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, sound. He's a sound fanatic.

He doesn't know what it's called. It was something else. No, it was like a box. Yeah. Like a portable box. Oh, what was it called? So they send me this thing and they send me these fancy your headset. And it picks up a bigger spectrum of sound.

And people have to re-record for it. But what is it called? It doesn't matter. So they send me. Greg, look it up. They send me the thing. and I listened to it. I'm like, all right, whatever.

I just want to, I'll talk to Neil Young. So, so he, they send me the thing and I was told that like when they get there, you're going to have to give it back. And I'm like, all right, whatever. So Neil Young's coming over. And I'm nervous because it's fucking Neil Young. And like I know that with somebody like him, because I'm not a huge fan, every Neil Young nerd in the world is going to be listening for,

for new information or call me an idiot for not knowing something. That's something I've learned with guys like Springsteen these guys interview. So Neil comes over with his like 80-year-old posse. He's got two guys with him that must have been in their 70s. Elliot, his manager who passed away and another guy. It's always the manager is even older than the old guy. Oh, yeah, yeah, except for George Shapiro, who was Carl Reiner's cousin younger but still old. I don't even know if he's still alive.

Pono? I think he passed away. Pono, yeah. Pono music. digital service. So they come over and Neil walks in and you remember the house. You said it. Like it's just two rooms. He's looking at my records. He looks at a guitar I have out. He goes over and he plays the guitar and he's looking around. And I say, all right, so I guess you guys can have back the polo and the headphones. And Neil just, you know, just those, no, you can keep them. So I'm thinking, I'm in. This guy likes me. Right. So we go out to the garage. And I decided the way to start with him is just, I have an old amplifier that I think he uses one similar to it. So I figured that'll get things started, right? So I didn't kneel out there.

And I'm like, so you probably recognize that amp there, right? He's like, no, I don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, fuck. And then it was just, well, he did though. But I didn't know. No one told me he likes to fuck with interviewers. So he's making me work my balls off. And it wasn't until I got him laughing that it opened up.

But it took like 15 minutes and it was like it was hard. But then like all of a sudden he pops open. He's talking about doing Pilates with the Darylana and all this stuff is coming out. And then apparently he goes home and at his house, Dan Rather is waiting to interview him for Dan Rather's podcast. Access or whatever that was. Right. Cable. And my buddy Brendan's friend works for Rather.

And apparently Neil Young walks in and he comes from my house. He says, I just did a. really great interview. And Dan Rather, off camera, of course, says, what made it great? He goes, the guy was fearless and he wasn't afraid to fail. And I'm like, hey, that's good. That's a good blur. Wow. But he tested me. He definitely tested me. Wow. Shit, I would freak out. That we had, we had, David and I a similar thing with Paul McCartney. And I don't know if you have, or with your personality, but podcast regret. Like, why did I interrupt him then?

That was the best part. Why did it take me so long to get there? And I'll be kind of in my head, really, for a couple weeks sometimes. McCartney bothered me for probably a month. I get, what I get is like, fuck, I forgot to cover the most important thing they're known for. Yeah. But I interrupt all the time and people sometimes get on me. But for me, it's like it's like it's got to be a conversation and I have to be part of it.

So suck it up or don't listen. But McCartney was funny. I had to interview him in front of a crowd. And that was really one of the best moments I've had talking to somebody. Because I talked to a lot of these guys who are like, you know, pushing a record. And a lot of them like Roger Waters or like I've interviewed a lot of Thomas Dolby, whatever. They think that the record they're out promoting is their best shit, right? And it's like, all right, I'll play along.

So with McCartney. So with McCartney, he's out selling, it was at Capitol Records, it was an event, but the record that he had had out was Egypt Station or something, which no one bought. But I said to him, I said, so Paul, you know, a lot of artists who were in your age group, they really think that they're doing their best work now. Do you feel that way? And without missing to beat, he goes, well, I was in the Beatles. So that's a pretty high bar. It was so funny. That's great.

And I was the guy that told him that Manson had died. He didn't know. I think for me, there's a lot of us, how, where are you on this? I wanted to ask you musically, but also movies. But with music, what is there a guy, somebody you haven't had yet? Or who is your true North Star? Was it now? Well, Roger Waters, Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon.

For me, Paul McCartney, a beetle was kind of the, It was great. And I met Ringo recently, who I'm sure you've met. He's pretty sweet. No, we would love to interview Ringo. Yeah, I met him at some odd listening party that I got invited to by T-Bone Burnett of Ringo's new country record. And that crowd was pretty interesting to see these like 75-year-old hippie girls who are still kind of hippie girls, but they're 75. Yeah, who had the country out? Ringo? Yeah, just put it out. Yeah. Yeah. T-Bone Burnett produced it. And I think he produced it.

Now, Beyonce did. I think she got a little more press. But no, for me, the North Star, I've had most of them. Springsteen wasn't, Springsteen was funny because, you know, and I just saw him because I did a bit, a little part in that movie they're making about him. But I went to Jersey, dude. I went to his house in Jersey, like Christmas week. And he just put that book out.

And, you know, it turns out he's a very dark, very hard on himself, but all this stuff. But like, you know, he's got this thing he does publicly. That's the other trick, getting around people's public personas because, you know, Bruce is sort of like, hey, me and the guys went down the boardwalk. So. Yeah. He wrote a song.

Yeah. Yeah. We know all about that. Yeah. It's the under bite. I get there. And like I said, he's up in his house. I'm waiting in some sort of like this other structure that's got his

guitars, his motorcycle in it. And I'm waiting for Bruce. And he, yeah, he has no idea, really. I don't think who I am because he's walking down. He's walking down from the house. His publisher and publicist said, you should do this one. And he's walking down from the house. I just see him coming down, little Bruce.

Yeah, and he's holding the book. And I'm like, oh, he doesn't know what he's getting into. So he sits down and I'm just trying, I want to break the ice quick. Because, again, I don't, I'm not, I love Bruce, but I'm not a huge Springsteen fan. So I said to him, I said, so what's going on up to the house? We had a preparation for the holidays, cooking and presents. And he goes, correct. And I'm like, can I talk to that guy for the whole hour?

Whoever the guy that just went correct with that tone, I want that to bring stuff. And how did you, did you do that? Did you? Yeah, yeah. I kind of reeled them in because like I, by inserting myself into the conference. conversation, they're forced to kind of reckon with me unless they're complete douchebags like Ben Kingsley. So, and I don't mean the name drop, but no names. I love, I love sexy beast. Yeah.

Fucking unbelievable. It was the worst interview. Like, I should have told him to leave. It was that bad. And I don't know why I didn't. Because he's hung up on being called, uh, uh, Sir Ben. Sir, Sir, Ben. So I, and I didn't do that. at the beginning. And I wish I said, Sir Ben, we don't have to do this. We don't have to do it. But anyway, with Bruce, I kind of pushed in, you know, and I, to the point where I was relating to him and his experience with audiences and stuff. And I just remember there was this moment where, you know, we're talking about what you get from an audience and how like it, it's like not enough sometimes. And he was like, of course it isn't. So I had him locked into a real conversation

which again, I heard from another person. I got some notes on that too because Paul Wilkenfeld, do you know her, the bass player? She's a little prodigy. She plays with everybody. Oh, play with Jeff Beckett one. Yeah, yeah, tall.

Oh, yeah. And she hangs her on the store a lot and stuff. Well, she was going on a press tour and she, I guess, was somewhere with Bruce. And she was asking for advice on how to handle interviewers. And Bruce told her that no matter what they want to talk, about you just talk about what you want to talk about just you know bulldozed yeah and then she said well you know my friend mark mary interviewed you and he said yeah he pushed

oh that's good well you know i think Arnold Schwarzenegger would say that he'd say you'd ask him a question like what happened with those maids and he goes this movie is unbelievable he's like because you can't use anything but what he says and he doesn't even acknowledge your question he said that Arnold can never go negative he had one move I I guess last action hero he's on Matt Lauer. Well, the box office wasn't quite known. People love the movie and it's a great hit all over the world. You know, there's a little.

He can't ever go negative. The best dance he does is around his dad probably being a Nazi. That's the great dance because he'll always preempt that with like, you know, I have many Jewish friends, you know, like, okay. Okay. He taught us to salute and for us, it was just if you want a candy bar, You do the salute and he gives you a little chocolate in your hand. We didn't know what it was about.

Things like this and all these things and these people and what they say in all these stuff. Is he ever talk about the maid? We love Arnold. He has a relationship with the kids. You know, and I think you, after a certain point, you just kind of focus on that because whatever the transgression was, he's owned it and, you know, he's good with the kids. So once everything came out and everything, and then he finally goes, all right, let's go bench.

In the kid, I was like trying to meet him in the middle like, I work out. Yeah, you're my dad. Look at my face. Yeah. It is what you can't run from that kid. You have to move on. It's a lesson. I mean, one of my brothers, I've got three older brothers, and we always say, what would

Arnold do? Only for the positivity of it. It is what it is. You have to move on. And I love everybody. And rather than negative and whiny, but it seems to me, like, anxiety. is like a theme or depression of artists in some ways. So you go with that.

Did you? Because Springsteen's old book is about that. Oh, yeah. Well, that was the great thing about talking to Arnold is that he won't let you do that. He's got a switch in his head. Like, he won't even hear it.

Like, you know, and he's very charming. Like he, you know, like he gets on, he sits down and he goes, look at your pecks. You know,

he goes right into it. And you kind of feel flattered. You're like, Oh, thank you. Somebody skip Delta Day. You know what he said to us? Mark, he goes, how do you guys stay so lean? You know, because you're little.

And the whole thing now is to get little because the little dogs live longer than the big dog. I'm literally quoting it. You're too little dogs interview me. The whole time, he's not leaving us to our questions. He's just staring at our physique going, look at the rib cage. I need to get small.

When you get older, you have to be small. because the heart and all the things has to work hard and all the things and all the people. I think his heart kind of blew up, didn't it? He had some work done in there. I have another question for Mark. That's my second one. Mark, do you think, you don't remember this,

you were in the movie Joker. Now, do you think that, did you think what happened to the second Joker in your humble opinion? I don't know what. I think Todd Phillips convinced himself that he was actually an artist of some kind. and decided to take this interesting cinematic risk that, you know, failed miserably, apparently.

But I didn't see it. Did you? I heard about it. I couldn't get through the poster. I didn't see it. I just couldn't take when I, the. No, and I love Todd Phillips. I think that's one of those things, as I backtrack.

I think it's one of the things where. great movie. Dana was about to say some comments, but the same thing, great movie, and then it's just crazy if you can do literally anything you want. And he just goes,

let me just try, this will work or won't work. Well, the interesting thing is, he had a, you know, he'd rebuilt a good franchise possibility by really exploring that character

in the first one. So cool. So weird and cool. And, you know, it was, I don't know, he was nice to me and that was an exciting day because, you know, I got to do like a little scene with Robert De Niro.

And, you know, I thought that movie was pretty good, that first Joker. But who the hell knows why? You know, he's a gambler, dude. You know, he just is like, you know, fuck it. Sure. Let's do it. And, yeah, I don't know. What's his net worth?

I mean, he has freedom, I think. If he got a back end on the hangover. Dude, he got a back end on everything. He's like, I think, known for foregoing a director's fee. Super best. Back end. Yeah, for a high percentage of the back end. Yeah.

But that scene with De Niro was like, that was a great, that's a great moment for me because, you know, I, you know, I know that I know that's a lot, he's not going to remember me. You know, I'm just one of those guys that he's met a hundred guys that do two lines with them, right? You're forgettable, yeah. Yeah. And I know. It's painful. But, but we're chatting and whatever, you know. But it's one scene where we do a walk and talk, you know, and I'm supposed to be.

like, you know, his producer. Those are hard, by the way. They are kind of at home. It got cut out. But, but, you know, we, you know, Todd's there and Bob's there. And it's like, you guys just want to go? You're ready to do it? And I'm like, yeah, let's do one.

So we do this walk and talk. And I'm like, yeah, guy, guy, guy, guy, guy, guy. He's like, oh, yeah. And the Phillips goes, cut. And I go back to my chair and I see Robert go to his chair. And I see Robert walk over to Todd. And then walk back to his chair. Excellent.

And then then Todd walks over to me and he goes, hey, you're, you're coming in a little hot. Oh. Oh, my God. Just remember Bob's your boss. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I got it. But you got to appreciate the fact that Bob handled it correctly on. He wasn't told the director like, hey, you know, I think he's, you know, he's not really. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's in all his head. He's a lamp. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you tell him, tell him, tell him, tell Mr. Matt. Aaron. Yeah. I had a girl say it to my face. She said, it was just an old movie. And then I had to kiss a girl. I won't say who. I had to kiss her. And I said, hey, before. And I don't know how I've never done this on camera. Like, she goes, just kiss me like I'm your girl. Just anything. I don't care. And I said, all right. So I, I just kiss her. Not crazily. I just kiss her, but I touch her cheek and kiss her. And they go cut. And we're all like, okay. And the director comes up. And she says, she's, not even one foot away from my face. She goes, can you tell him not to touch my face?

Wow. And him was me. She did the correct way. She told the director, but I just made me think of that because I was like, I was horrified. I'm like, oh, because, you know, kissing someone is so too, it's so scary and you just don't want to do one. That's interesting, though, right?

That's interesting because she said kiss me like you're, my, my girl, like she's your girlfriend, but apparently the intimacy of the hand. touch was not something she anticipated or maybe she just has never had a boyfriend that she let touch her face. Yes. And I wasn't like a super Frenchathon. I was just trying to like give her a little mega. You know, just to open it, you just kiss a little bit.

It's nothing crazy. It's a cute little movie. Nobody gets hurt. You never know what's going to happen with those things, you know? So you kissed Bob De Niro. I got like him. I did. So that was off camera.

That was crazy. You go, hey, I'm ad-libbing. Yeah, yeah. I'm improvising. Can we improvise? But were you scared? I did a quick scene in the old days with William Defoe in my very, very old days in a part that Dana turned down. And during SNL.

And Paul Schrader was the director. And I was almost sick from nerves because I'm going to, and William Defoe super cool, did one scene, same thing. He wouldn't remember in a million years. But of course, you get, do your nerves just ramp up? Mine were, it's De Niro. It's still no matter what, it's de Niro. Oh, totally. I felt okay.

about it because I don't know, like, I think I'm getting better at acting, but the benefit, I talked to Wombe Defoe, not a great time. Not a great time. Not a great time. I don't have some toughies on here, too. Some are toughies. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I said something to piss him off, but it was like, come on, dude. You know, it's like, just roll with me. For fuck sake. I got to look at your face for an hour. So, he's got a lot of character in his face. He's a great character. It's not a negative thing. It's not a negative thing. It's intense. It's an intense phase to stare at for an hour.

But no, in terms of nerves, I think doing the podcast helped me a lot in humanizing these people. Because like, you know, after a certain number of celebrities you talk to, you're like, wow, they're just people and some of them, you know, aren't even that interesting. So knowing that actually, it's true. It's true. And it's not a bad thing. But I seem to qualify a lot of things.

So that's not negative. I'm not, I'm not negative. No, it's positive. The qualifier. Mark Merrin is the qualifier. What happens when you go, hey, Bob,

when you want to, if you ever want to buzz over to the Glendale, I want you to pop in and. I'd like to talk to him, but he's one of those guys I can't get. There are certain directors are hard to get.

That's not probably, he's got more chatty. He's got more chatty. Who are we talking about? I missed it. De Niro. Bob De Niro. Oh, but like in terms of nerves,

I was more nervous when I had to, I just did an indie where I had, had to play the lead. And that was a real, I was nervous about that because, you know, I had to, I knew I had to carry the movie, but I'd learned a lot of lessons from a lot of actors, and I was pretty confident. And then I had to do a scene with Sharon Stone. And it, it was a life-changing, terrifying thing that was kind of amazing. And I was nervous to do a scene with her. Yeah. And, she's kind of intimidating. She's a big star. That's a big star.

Big star. It was crazy. I think I got to save the story for when and if the movie ever comes out because I told it and I don't want to necessarily spoil anything. But she did the movie because she likes me. And it's one scene. And it was great. And Lily Gladstone was in it.

Alan Ruck. Michael McKean played my manager. Oh, love him. Yeah. What's his name? Jason. Is it Jason? No, it's not Jason.

Siddicus? No, the kid from, Oh, now I feel bad. He was so fucking funny. Silver spoons, Bateman? No, you know the one that used to do the Apple commercials was involved with you Barrymore for Justin Long. Justin Long.

Oh, just in Long. Funny, fucker that. Yeah, I like him. Oh, my God. So fucking funny. But I was nervous about that. But I just did the best I could. It's all you can do, right?

Does anybody call you after your podcast? Who has asked for the most to be taken out? Don't people go take this out, take that? Or do you say no? No, no, I'm not in the business of sandbagging people. It's not our jam. That's our business. Well, that's good.

I hope I gave you enough. It's a sandbag. You get a little sand. Not enough for a bag. Almost always. I would say always. It's only because they said something about somebody else that probably couldn't have even been taken in a negative way.

Sure. It's never like them. Yeah, like just like, you know, I didn't have to. say that about, you know, we're kind of friends. Yeah, yeah. It comes off funny and then later they go, what if they get mad or what? Yeah, yeah. And people do get mad.

Everyone's talking too much. That's the problem with everyone having a fucking podcast. It's like, you know, actors, you know, are just coming out with like, well, 20 years ago. It's like, oh, my God, we can't get out from under this thing. No one shuts up anymore. I see ones. And now it's like full sex life. People just have nowhere else to go.

So now it's like, here's everything in my life. Here's about my plastic surgeries. Here, here, follow me in my camera into my plastic surgery and my, you know, kidney operation. What are we doing? Yeah. Or people talking about, you know, moments they had with people like 20 years ago. Well, not even that. Just like awkward moments. And it's like, why'd you even have to do that? Why did you? I mean, what was going to point? But some people are like, it almost seems like they're making up horrible things because they're running out of content. I know. I have a big announcement. And you're like, it takes to, it happens to be your hundred.

100th episode? Well, we know what would trend and get pick up, you know? I don't. I really, I don't. You never really know what they pick up. Sometimes you do an interview. It is surprising, but if you have someone on and they're being very revealing and you know that you're getting a scoop, they have not talked about this.

Like Robin, you kind of, it's going to trend. But it, but it, well, they've been on five podcasts by the time they get to us. Right. Well, no, that's a problem. But with Robin, there was no, trending hadn't happened yet. So. Okay. And it was quite a lot of hoops to jump there just to get him to do it.

And, you know, it just worked out because I was a comic and I'm also like a dark side. And there was no one else there that we got this conversation. And thank God we did because it seems to be the only one. He literally talked about depression, addiction, suicide at the end. Both him and Jonathan Winters did riffs on suicide at their NDD interviews. And Jonathan Winters, that was crazy. I went to Santa Barbara to talk to him. How did he pass away?

Jonathan Winters. He passed away in character, which is weird. So it's not clear whether he really dies. He was actually Ma Frickered and they buried him in the dress, which I thought was inappropriate. He's a guy that my dad used to tell me now, this is common. And he was funny. And then when Robin was like, oh, this guy. But I couldn't appreciate it growing up.

I just thought he was funny. I didn't know how good. You can never really tell. I thought they were all those characters. What Jonah Winters did was very specific. and very detailed. It was not just ad hoc. He was out there, dude.

He was like out there. Like, it was, there's, I had a beautiful moment with him in his house. It was, and I always tell the story. I don't know if it really lands. So that's a good setup. Yeah. But give us the unlandables. Okay.

We're at his house. I'm already in. I'm all in. I'm all in. I'm in. John of the Winters and you're talking. He was, you know, he's like, he's got this sort of weird, you know, childlike, you know, thing that, you know, he, in his house, they had moved his bedroom because he was kind of hobbling

around with a cane and he wore a, like a Union Army colonel's brimmed hat. But we, we were walking down this hallway. He wanted to show me what he said. I want to show you the planes, right? So what that ultimately was is that he has this four post bed, four poster bed in this bedroom and hanging from the ceiling are all these model airplanes. All right. That's, that's the destination. nation we're heading towards. But we're walking down this hallway past just the pictures from a career in show business. There's Jonathan Winters and every star you could imagine. And then he stops and he points to this old-ass picture of this boy with a puppy. And he goes, I miss that dog. And I was like, oh my gosh. You're like this whole life of entertainment.

And that's what, you know, the dog, he's a little kid. Sweet, right? that's supposed to be sad David that's kind of interesting I know someone who had dinner at Danny Kay's house and he was very quiet during the dinner and they're letting everyone out and it's the same kind of thing Hall of Fame Wall Danny Kaye pictures

and someone asked one question then it was two hours photo by photo here I'm with Jack Benny here I am here and I'm here they were almost down at us have you watch any of those like not the not the Dean Martin roast but

there's footage somewhere. I don't know where I found it. Some streaming service of actual prior's club roasts that were done. Oh, yeah, I might have seen one. It's always the same guys, and it's not a great day. As Henny Youngman's always there, and they literally have him on,

and you can tell the reason they have him on is just because he doesn't roast anybody. He just does his horrible jokes. So they just have Mon to bust his balls. What was so interesting about so many of those It's just how horribly unfunny some of them are. The one who always got me, and I'm curious about old time, and here we go again, was always as a kid, was Don Rickles. The best.

Just the funniest. And dry, like weird, no joke, like get out of cookie, put them in the corner. Oh, yeah. Pack him at ice. He doesn't know the show started. There's no real jokes. It's the rhythm. Ever.

It's the rhythm. And the sense of me. him that he doesn't know exactly where he's going. Yeah. If you wrote it all down, you couldn't find a funny joke in there. Look at this, is that? Did that suit come with two pairs of pants and a hockey puck? What does that mean?

Yeah, right. It sounds like a joke, though. Johnny, the show started. Okay. You know, funniest fucking guy. Ed's over there going, oh. Yeah. Yeah, that's it.

He was very funny. Give him a cookie. Yeah. The funniest line he used to live, when he did those russ and there were some of the old Hollywood guys there like Carrie Grant. or Jimmy Stewart. He would say, Jimmy, I talk to the family.

You're doing fine. That's so funny. I know. You just can't be told. Jimmy, do you know where you are? Yeah. Do you ever see that? The Clint Eastwood roast?

He said one of the funniest things and the most honest thing I ever heard. It was the best. It was one of those, you know, AFI, big, you know, it wasn't a roast. The tribute. Yeah.

So he gets up, he says, you know, he starts opens with, I don't know why I'm here. thought this was a tribute to Merv Griffin or whatever. But they'd had a whole evening at this point. And he says, what a wonderful evening. He says, Clint, your son played bass.

We sat through that. Such a rip. So good. And everyone kind of laughs like, they had to cut to the kids or took it well in the moment, but probably, you know, not great. And like that everyone was. Ronk was funny.

They were like, he goes, oh, I had a few drinks back to you. He's so funny. When he, that older Rickles on Letterman with Denzel Washington, that is,

that's so funny. What does he say? And look at the black guy over here. Well, no, it was a little post yet, but he, he just kept busting on Letterman mumbling.

He just, he wouldn't let up on Letterman. Like, Letterman opens with like, you and Frank, he been friends a long time, and both of your wives are named Barbara,

right? And Rickles goes, what are you, with detective? Listen to this guy. I've seen that. It's the best. That's so awesome.

Yeah, those old roast. The Dean Martin, those are the coolest ones. Those are good. Yeah, they're great because it was like everybody in Hollywood. It felt like Hollywood was like a nice little town full of these special people. And now they just let anyone in. Have you been roasted on the... Any of these roasts?

Comedy Central and or would you do it if you haven't volunteered to be roasted? I don't mind being roasted. I had one of the worst nights in my life on the dais of the Chevy Chase Road. Oh, that's a famous one, right? Because that was one of the early ones. Yeah, I was one of the guys. And, you know, all I can say, I could say more. But after that, I was in a room at that, that fucking Hilton in New York with my buddy Sam, almost on the verge of tears thinking, like, I can't do this.

I can't do comedy anymore. I can't do it anymore. It was so fucking, I bombed so hard. so hard. And I'm not good at that. So you roast Chevy. And I think back then I was thinking, wait,

this is the first roast I'm seeing where not everyone is great friends with them. So it's a very odd vibe. I don't think they could have gotten. They couldn't get people. Yeah, we didn't know that back. I mean,

I just thought, I used to see Dean Martin and they go, hey, there's my buddy over here and there goes red buttons. Yeah. But to go. Probably any SNL people there.

And I had pretty good jokes. But by my nature, if I'm insulting somebody, I really mean it to, it's hostile. And I don't have the, by my nature. I don't have the distance necessary to make it funny. But I had good jokes. And thank God, they sweetened the fuck out of it. But in the room, I tanked hard.

And so did a lot of people. How big crowd? It's not a big crowd, is it? No, it was like 2000. The pain on Chevy's face watching it. He didn't want to be there. He didn't want to be there. And it's pain because it's, oh, is this what they think of me?

It's like me doing an impression to someone. If they get upset, it's like, oh, is this how I'm coming across? It's the ultimate mental game. I mean, David, you did one, right? I did one. I wouldn't get roasted because it's actually good money. Oh, you never got roasted, but you were the MC. I said I'd host one.

I don't even know why. Because all you have to do is be in the vicinity and you're fucked, you know. Yeah. So, I mean, I remember that I found that out because I was watching one and they go, speaking of A&A Awards, Andy Dix here tonight, and then they put in the crowd, and they put a spotlight, he goes, wait, me?

I came to watch. I'm not even on the fucking dais. Like, I didn't know it's fair game. They're like, no, we know where you're sitting. We got a camera ready for you. We got 20 guys writing jokes about everyone in this fucking room. I got lucky because I was, I was the host, so I was going to get it.

But who came in at the last minute? we had a fallout, Ann Coulter. And so afterwards, Jeff Ross said, you know, you had probably the most jokes that you were going to get hammered with that you weren't ready for. And at the last second, everyone shifted those to Ann Coulter. And I was like, oh, thank God, I only got some. They all sting. I hated them all.

I'm not good at getting roasted. I'm like, ugh, ugh. It's like a thousand stabs, you know. That kind of like it. But Jesus, Ann Coulter, that's like giving the evening. Cancer. There's our trender. There's our trender.

Thank you. She came up with her book and she was, she was Teflon. She walked up with her book and just started plugging it. In fairness, I don't think she knew what she was getting into. She does like some sort of promotion. She brought her book up the day as a adult. Everyone's basically saying, hey, fuck you. It was pretty rough.

So, uh, I got, Teflon's a diplomatic word for her. The point is. Yeah. But Jewell was there getting funny jokes by Jules. Anyway, overall, it's a pretty fun roast. And we can talk about some of this. I don't. I can take a shot. I don't mind getting hit. You know, I don't think I'm in the position. And so everybody wise to ever get roasted as an evening. But I don't mind. Here's a couple minutes roasting.

No, I have a glass jaw. I can't. I was out there going. And then I wrote it down. I hate you now. I hate you now. I hate you. I don't read comments. comments. David reads comments. You read comments about your podcast much. Are you're good with that? Or you're kind of, I don't like I seem to be pretty pretty disengaged from Twitter. You know, I don't, I don't do the other ones that much. I'll look at Instagrams and occasionally I'll look at, you know, messages or on posts on Instagram. But I don't, you know, and I do get emails sometimes, but I got out of that because they all, you know, a troll that's worth his salt is going to really hit you where it hurts. So, you know, and you know, when you read them, the part of your brain

that lives in this real, the real world we live and goes like, well, that's just part of it. But the really is sort of like, Jesus Christ, is that fucking true? And then you've got to process that. I don't have, yeah, I can't detach from it. But they land, but not for that long. Yeah, someone. You know, I think I look to see if there's enough feedback positive or negative, Sometimes you can try to have constructive criticism if they say, yeah, you're always doing this or you always do this or I wish you would change it. And then you go, God, enough people said that. Something's up, you know, I have. But if it's just random, I get a lot of snipers just randomly, almost 100% of the time if I answer them or I DM them.

No, no, don't do that. Say, do we got a problem? They always go, oh, my God, I'm your biggest fan. They're nicer. That's right. That's right. But some might just come kill me. So it's really a dangerous game to be honest.

Do you listen to your podcast? No. Have you ever? Yeah, because Conan told me a while back, never has heard an episode. So I took that advice because I would get too much in my head. In the part of times I hear it, I don't listen to it. I can't watch my own special. He gives you notes.

I can watch my own special. No, but my producer, like, since we're still audio and that's our game, he's very meticulous, very brilliant guy. But the weird thing about not listening to the podcast and only having memory of the conversation like, you know, that's fleeting. You know, you can only remember certain things from conversation. So if I ever have a question about something I discussed with somebody, my producer has become like my active memory because he spends a few hours with it.

And he remembers everything. And he's like, well, you talk to someone so about that. I have no recollection. And so I really need him just to be, you know, my functioning memory of these things. Yeah. I was just curious earlier today, like when we talked to guests and stuff, like for you, are as consuming art or like movies or are you into that? I mean, movies or music or. Totally.

It's Pat Nodswald, we started talking about movies and he just. Oh, boy, that's a long conversation. Yeah. Yeah, okay. We don't have to go. I don't know what you're, you know, but I remember it was the killers. So, yeah, here we go. Anyway, 2001 is space.

I'm trying to guess your favorite movie. Okay. Hmm. That would be tough. Or your top, I guess, a movie that you see more than once. Bad news was, yes, of course.

Here's a question. If you could only watch one movie tonight, would it be 2001 or Planet the Apes, original? Those are my only two choices. What, did you let Pat and Oswald get in your head? Yeah.

I know, that's left over. I didn't talk to the producer. I already asked that question. Okay, you give us one. Two movies. Three Days of the Condor or Alien? Oh, wow. Yeah, well, you kind of have to go with Alien on those two.

I mean, three days the Condor is great. But, like, I would imagine you'd probably get a little more, if you really kind of a stavered alien and didn't overwatch it, it could probably be still pretty jarring, whereas three days of the condor, you're kind of like, all right, I know. Not as jarring. Well, that's Matt. Redfeet and who?

Go. Reddard. Dunaway maybe? Was it Fay Dunaway? Fadonaway. Oh. Yeah. Condor, where are you, Condor?

In the pocket. I didn't know what that movie's about and I watched it honestly a year ago. I always heard about it. Oh. It's a weird name. I'm like, why would I go to this movie? Fun, cool movie. I like watching movies.

Changed movies. Alien changed movies. Yeah, that was great. I've been watching a lot of movies. I'll go to the theater to watch movies. Like, I like going to the movies because I'm pretty close to the Americana. And I'll go see shit and I watch the old movies. Like, I just watched the conversation.

again because I didn't really get it the first time. I should watch that again. Gene Hackman, 1975. Yeah. What are you with the fucking Google? No, no, that's all here. Oh, okay. No, but like, I remember seeing it years ago and I was like, this is slow because I didn't

lock in, but like Gene Hackman doing almost anything. He's kind of amazing. It's unbelievable. I talk about him all the time. You do? That he's a freak. He was, there's never a bad move. Chewing gum.

He's so great. Who's yours everything. I did watch the Tom Cruise movie where he's the firm. The film. The movie's great and he's fucking crazy. Yeah, if you haven't seen the movie The Firm, it's like a sure-fired great movie. Go ahead. It's like a Sydney Pollock movie.

I mean, people don't realize that there are these movies that these geniuses made. So that's a full-on, just because it's a Grisian book, doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. I mean, Pollock did that movie. And the cat was crazy. Crazy cat. It doesn't mean it's going to be hacky. Yeah. True.

Well, what was the other one? I mean, Coppola directed the Rainmaker. And that's another one. That's fucking great. Another John Grissom book. Yeah, but that's like it's Matt Damon, Danny DeVito, Mickey Rourke. Oh, I know that was McConaughey. That's not McConaughey.

No, that's another one. That was, it was earlier. But the firm is, the firm is great. Terry Keeney. Yeah. It's great. And Wilford Brimelie, Wilford Brimley's the heavy. Oh, Wilford Brimley.

So good. He's the heavy, man. Howell book. I know. Great. Gary's old names are so good in movie. Gary Buccy. Gary Buces in it.

And what's her name? The genius actress. Triple Hurt. It's not Gene Triple. Oh, Holly Hunter. Gene Triplehorn, yeah. Triplehorn. She in it?

She's the love interest. Yeah. And Tom Cruise being Tom Cruise. Fucking. Fucking Ed Harris is in it, too. It's an insane cast. And Hacker. And then Ackman.

Hackman leading the charge. Him trying to seduce his wife down in the Caribbean. And he knows she's conning it. I mean, he's effortless. It's just so fascinating to watch Dean Hackman. No kidding, dude. But what else did I watch recently? I tend to watch like, lately I've been like, I just want to watch the beginning of this to get a couple laughs, you know.

And then I'll be up till two in the morning watching the whole fucking movie. I watch the other guy. the other night, just because I wanted to watch the beginning to get a laugh from those two. Will Ferrell? Is that a car chase beginning? It's so fun. Yeah, that thing with the rock and what's his name? Mark Wahlberg.

No, the rock and what's it? Sam Jackson jumping off the route. That is hilarious. And the two of them to get, when Walberg focuses, man, he's good at comedy. He can do it, dude. He's great. He's good and a lot. He does a lot of stuff.

How's this movie with you and Theo Vaughn? What's that about? Bus Boys is a beating. We're doing it right now. It's tough. It's hard to do because it's small budget, indie, but it's super fun because... Is it small budget? Indy?

Yeah. Well, it's just us. We put it together. We put money in and we just said we just want to go try it and then decide what to do with it. That's scary. Like, don't go pitch it. Don't go around to say it. He seems like he's got enough juice.

I mean, if someone will see it, But I thought Bert had enough juice, too, to put his little movie over the top. But I don't think it got there. But, I mean, you know, people will watch it. People like Theo. They like you. What comedies are just live streaming now? We don't know.

We might do it straight to video. I mean, straight to consumer. Straight to video. And straight to video. The 90s are calling. We're going. So old. That reminds me of like one time I was like, this is in the last five years.

I was at the comedy store, right? And out of the darkness, like Steve Crival. Kravitz just emerges. Steve Kravitz from San Francisco. Yeah. He's still here, dude. I saw him the other night and he's okay. You know, he's okay.

Oh, good. That was funny. Yeah, he was funny. But like, I just remember he was like, he's 70 something now, but it was just a few years ago and he's like, I don't know how the business works anymore. Like, hey, where do I set my tape? And I'm like, maybe to 1985? Maybe you send the tape?

Maybe to the Denunzio brothers at the Funny Bone? Isn't that somebody? Yeah, it is. I used to send my tape the funny bone, my half inch VHS and they're like, they must have a pile of tapes. I'm like,

it's been a whole day. Are they going to watch it or not? They don't give a fuck. Oh, my God. I remember there was a booking agency in Boston called Boston Comedy Company. Barry Katz used to run it out of the basement apartment in a building in Alston.

And one of the women who would get tape submissions and she was dating somebody like we knew, Like, we got hold of a couple of the tapes. And there's this one tape of a guy that's clearly in his basement or in his bedroom. And he's doing jokes. And he's got a friend dropping a phonograph needle onto a laughter of a laughter track on a record. So you would do a joke and you'd literally hear the needle drop. Oh, funny.

And pulled back up again. That's a good idea. That's like an analog lo-fi world. Kind of something charming about that. Well, Mark, before you let you go, I got to ask you about a one. movie and then we'll ask Dane if he has any wrap-ups. But you've been very nice to talk. I see Mark at the comedy store now and then. We always have a little chat, a couple of laughs. And then we get our $48. We get the fuck out of there. Yeah. And I, oh, someone said today that to Leslie, you were very,

very good and they loved you in it. And they heard I was talking to you. So, oh, well, that's nice to hear. I definitely, I did the work on that one. Like, because like, I don't know, like, I always wanted to act, But I know I'm okay at it and I got better. But I still never, I'm still like, it's, it's not, it's not a necessarily an exciting job. I mean, there's a lot of waiting around, which makes me crazy. For sure. But like I was trying with that movie. I didn't want to do it.

And the director kept bothering me because I was still kind of fucked up. It was during COVID. You know, Lynn had passed away. And, you know, they were, the guy kept bother me, you know. And it's, the role is like this kind of, you know, swel. beaten up Hexon guy. And I'm thinking like, you get, there's like nine,

nine or 20 fucking cowboy character actors you can get to do this. Why me? And, you know, finally he gets through. He gets me on the phone. He's like, well,

I really liked the last season of Marin. I'm like, oh, so you do like me. All right, I'll try. And I told him, I don't know about the accent.

He said, don't worry about the accent. And then I realized like, dude, if you're going to do this, you know, take a risk. You know,

No one's going to see this movie. It's like it shoots in like two weeks on film out in the desert here. So I worked with a dialect coach. And this is funny. You'll probably get it, Dana. Yeah, you will too, I guess because it's just a reference that no one fucking gets. But I'm talking to the dialect coach. And I'm like, how do I do a Texan accent?

She's like, well, there really is no Texan accent specifically. But I think we'll do Lubbock. And I'm like, okay, love it. So he sends me, you know, the phonetics. And then she sends me some tapes of what I think are the Lubbic accent. And it's just like a few like behind the scenes Grammy interviews with Mac Davis. And I'm like, this is the only example of Lubbick is Mac Davis. Whenever I wore to.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love Mac Davis for sure. Yeah. He used to go. He was a funny actor too. But yeah, I appreciate someone saying that because I definitely put the work in.

And I was willing to fail with the. with the accent, but I think I did all right. And the only reason I had confidence to do that was before I interviewed James Kahn, I was watching movies of the early movies of his. And all these guys try accents. And very few of them are any good at it. So I'm like, well, fuck it. If he's going to take the hit, I can take the hit, you know?

Yeah. The Australians are great at accents for some reason. And a lot of the Brits are, but the Americans, I don't know. You know, secondhand compliments are the best. Like when David hears someone say to him, you were great in the movie, right? That's the best way to hear it because you know they're not saying. It's legit.

She was like, oh my God. Oh, by the way, you see Maron special. It was fantastic. Yeah. It's nice to hear. It's my wife. Did somebody say that? No, that's a fictitious.

Well, you know, you do specials. You do a podcast and you're a damn good actor. You've got a series. I'm just saying, I mean, I don't know any other. You're like a triple and an author. Yeah. You know. I do what I can.

I do what I can at the level I do it at. And it's a. You know, it's, I'm glad I've had all the opportunity. And I keep trying to get better. What can you do? It's just how much joy can you get out of your incredible life? Yeah, well, the joy thing, that's a whole other thing. Or less miserable, less miserable.

And in terms of like talking about SNL, I didn't get it. Oh. Okay, thank you. For the people that waited until the end. All right. Thanks, buddy. The perfect end of a podcast. Take care, Matt.

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