Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - RE-RELEASE - Sebastian Maniscalco

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

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I like to buy a vowel. I like to buy a vowel. Yeah. It was so much fun to have mom because he's one of those people. I had to say in the last 10 years when you're just kind of channel surfing on these streaming. And I saw a special and I stuck with it all the way through because it was new. You know, the physicality and the rhythm of all that stuff. so he is very soft-spoken and really humble the jerkiness the uh also how he can go really low

on a joke and not scream it you know yeah and the act outs that he does all over the stage the physical act outs and we talk about that and an injury that he got based on you know he's doing all this stuff and then boom it's blew out a cab or something even on tic-tok he's like uh he walks around like his kid's soccer game and he goes, they're taking a break for a snack. In the middle of the game, what? What are we doing? So funny, he does this exact act cadence, but in real life situation. That's funny. He's like the Italian dad in real life. We're looking around for those kind of scenarios. Funny. My key to him is always the bit he did by the pool at some hotel And a guy comes down and he goes, he starts clipping his toenails right on the pool deck.

And then he's got bandages on his toes from the bleeding. And he jumps in the pool. I got to swim with the bleeding bandage. I mean, I'm except, but it's really next level funny to me. People rehearsing for a wedding reception. It's seven weeks and some guys. They've got the bye, bye, baby. What, what?

Huh? I can't get six guys to go to dinner if I give him a year notice. Now I got rehearsed. What? What? It's all what? What's going on? He's incredulous.

He's the incredulous every man. You know. Fucking funny. Yeah. So anyway, it was really fun talk to him. We break down his artistry and his past to stard him. He's big theaters, lots of stars. lots of specials.

Yep. Very successful. I had a lot of great acting jobs. Sebastian, the one and only. I was shocked that you guys, you and Pete, have done 628 episodes. Just the fortitude is that. Is that true? That's what it said.

Episode 628. Yeah, haven't made a dime. It's coming. Our guys tell us. come right around the corner just patience man i mean you know you got into this for money no i actually didn't and we just started doing basically a phone call uh he lives in ferdonia i live in los angeles and we're like you know what we have such a great time talking to one another let's just record it and we'll put it out there as a podcast and we did it once a week for now going on

12 years. And, you know, we just have fun doing it. It's not, it's not. Wait a minute. Do you, do you read ads? Do you read ads? Yeah. And still making nothing. I mean, we got, you got, you got master class. What do you got? You got a doc doc, doc, you guys got Zach doc. We've been there. We dated for a while and we broke up. No, we got a, we sort of just, they go to us. Blue Nile, right? Blue Nile. Our biggest one. Yeah, Blue Nile's good. That's a big one we got. Diamonds, yeah.

So you got the original wife, original wife, meaning pre. I didn't even heard of this situation. My wife's so attractive that people thought she'd be the second wife after I got some fame and money. I go, no, original wife. Like, oh, okay. But you had done one special, but you weren't Sebastian at that point, right? You met 2009? Yeah, yeah.

we went in 2009. I had, I was just coming off. Actually, yeah, I was just coming off a special two years earlier. And then, yeah, just, you know, knocking around comedy clubs. She would come with me, Addison Beltline Road and improv. And, you know, it was, we kind of came up together in the comedy world. Obviously, I was doing comedy prior to meeting her. But like, you know, when I started making a living doing it, she was kind of right there.

with me. Let me ask you this. This is usually the evolution of a girlfriend who might become a wife. But, okay, early on, she's up close. Maybe not the first row, but right up there. A little a few weeks later, she's hurt a lot. She's in the middle of the crowd, kind of hanging out. Then she's sort of standing in the back. Eventually, she's in the dressing room for most of the show and asking you how it went. And then she stops coming. That's everyone I know. That's every single. There really is. excited and then they see how the rabbit gets out of the hat yeah they're going oh i see all these but anyway no you're right it's just it's a basic evolution out of the building uh yeah call me after

what about did you say addison improv is that Dallas yeah that's Dallas and it's right by a freeway is that what you're talking about yeah it's right it's it's the oh my god populated um restaurants per square mile i think in the country on beltline road and down yeah that's I played the Dallas. I played the old Dallas Improv that was on Central and Walnut. And then they opened Addison. That's old I am. And then I started playing that one.

Okay. Wait a minute. Dana, go ahead. Spell binders in Houston, anyone? Bill Hicks was my dandy little opener. No way. I was temperamental in those days.

I got a hold of his collar and said, you ain't going nowhere. Oh, good. I lost it. No, he was brilliant. Brilliant then all to the way. So there's another stat. of yours, I just have to ask you, because it's extraordinary from where you are now. The math that I did on your Wikipedia page says you were still waitering, potentially, at age 32.

Yeah. Okay, that's extraordinary. I was waiting tables. Yeah, around 31, I quit the Four Seasons Hotel right here in Beverly Hills. So I was there for seven years in the Windows lounge delivering chicken satis to every celebrity in town. Oh, I love it. I love it. I would do comedy during my break.

I would run to the comedy store, do a set, and come back, freak up my table. So, yeah, I was early 30s, schlep and drinks. Don't you think, I mean, you know, when you make it, and then you went on, and then you're at this apex. I mean, it's extraordinary, well-deserved, too. So you don't you think it's better to make it later? I mean, are you still kind of used to it?

It's only been about 12 years since you went super, supernova, I guess, in the context of your life, it's still kind of new in a way? Or are you kind of acclimatized to the numbers? Yeah. What arena? What, what, what, how big is the arena? It's arena side. Come on, Sebastian. Go ahead. No, uh, you know, I, I'm glad it kind of all happened the way it happened. Um, I just, you know, a lot, I, I, I had a slow burn, you know, I didn't get a TV show or a movie or anything like that that kind of catapulted me into stand-up comedy in a way where I could draw a crowd. So I just did it, you know, kind of slow burn. And yeah, I mean, listen, I grew up in a working class middle, middle class family. And, you know, we've always kind of had to work.

You know, my dad always says the Manuscal family, nothing comes easy. We always got to kind of be patient, put our time in. Did he actually say the Man of Scalphal? Because I can't imagine my dad saying the coffees will always i mean that's just very italian or a sicilian or something right yeah it's it's very it's very it's very sicilian like uh we always got a you know wait our turn basically no one bumps us to the head of the line you know we're uh i still have that type of career too though i mean i have a fan base obviously they come and see me but like for example i went to the bulls game uh in my hometown of chicago last week right Simone byle sitting there with her husband been Jonathan Owens.

And, you know, they put you up on the jumbotron. So they tell me, we're putting Simone Biles up, right? She goes up there. You would have thought Michael Jordan walked in. Oh, my God. You got to follow her. And then me, who I just, I'm doing two sellout shows that the Friday and Saturday right after that.

I didn't even know they announced my name. It was almost as if a guy came out to shoot free throws during the end. That's the response. in my home town. So it's like, I'm still like just on the fringe of like quote unquote celebrity or fame. Yeah, you know, there's fun things. There's interesting facts that like Dana's probably been more famous in his life than he hasn't been.

So that's probably a weird feeling because you always remember more that you weren't, but he's had such a run. And then Artie Lang, who I think you guys all know, Artie Lang told me the weirdest he felt was when he made more than his dad. It was such a weird feeling for him that what he does, which is so feeling so trivial, and then he goes,

wow, my dad's such a fucking hard worker. And he goes, I honestly had to go to therapy. I didn't know how to deal with that. Isn't that crazy? But I get it. My dad was a high school teacher.

So, Sebastian, your dad, was he somebody making six figures or 50K or? Yeah, he's a hair. He owned hair salon, so he was a hairdroids. but, you know, never, you know, never had a franchise of hair salon, just a few throughout

his career, not making a fantastic living, but not, you know, we went on one vacation. We had two cars. We lived in a nice home. That never struggled for money. But yeah, I think it is kind of weird to get used to. I never really even thought about making more than my father that never really even crossed my mind as far as like, it's never been like you're making more money. The relationship is such is like that he's the star. Right. Sure. And I'm hanging on to his co-tail.

But also I grew up not knowing, you know, my dad was kind of in and out of my life, but never even knew how much anybody made. It didn't even cross your mind. You just, you know, you had a place to live, hopefully, and some food. But I didn't know numbers. I didn't know. Who knew? Yeah.

You know? So you just, that's your dad. And he's the main guy in your life because he's your dad. But it's a weird feeling to get. get, I mean, there's times I feel obviously overpaid for things and you go, just a weird feeling. You never get used to it. I don't care. I mean, because I had the same kind of thing, five kids, high school, you know, two-day old baked goods.

Not one day, but two-day. My mama Gold County Road, never had a new car. But we were super happy, man. We got a colored TV in 1965. We had an antenna. We couldn't really see anything, but it was colorful. Antana. But I think I asked.

my wife, and I don't know who you would ask, but I always, once in a while, I'll ask her. In 1979, when I met her, I was in college just trying to do open mics, Rob Williams was creeping around, making everyone feel like, why am I even doing this? And I said, did I ever say I wanted to be rich and famous? Ever? Nope. That was never the goal. It was to become a middle acting. Me too. And then to become a headline. I was just middle. So, yeah. David, yeah, go I don't think the, I don't think the people that have talent and are in this just for the sheer joy of making people laugh are ever looking for fame and fortune in that way. I mean, obviously there's some outliers, but, you know, in a day and age now where everybody wants to be famous for, I don't know what. I mean, you know, I feel like we're kind of like the last of the Mohicans in the sense of we're, we actually had to work going to the club, working on the act, the timing, the nuance, the heckling, or whatever it is.

But now apparently you turn your camera on and you eat a meatball and you'd say, you tell people how good it is and all of a sudden, you know, you're, you're just as famous. I know. That's so demoralizing for the young people. because I talked to some talent managers a while back, and I asked them, does talent matter? And they said, no, no, no. They think in a long career it does, but no, no, no, no. There's a kid who's handsome, he opens up jars of pickles.

He does seven figures. So what do you do with that? The impressing if your kid goes, oh my God, the guy that drinks pickles juice follows you. That's like the biggest victory of your life. You're like, oh. Everyone was good when I grew up. Don Rickles was good. Carson was good.

Frank Sinatra. I mean, all great. But yeah, that's so distortive. So I don't want to go to my discuss. Go ahead. One second. Since you've been around entertainment for quite some time, have you guys ever run across a Sinatra?

Do you have like a Sinatra story? Did he ever come in? I have a weird one. It's a little dark. So it's a, this is a cigar. Metaphor. Sit back. No, you're not going to see what's coming.

So it's 1998. getting a stent in my artery at Cedar Sinai, which you know it happens. I'm fine. Don't worry. So I'm there. I'm just in the, you know, I'm on the ward in my room, reading the magazine, and there's this hubbub, bub, and hey, what's going on out there? He goes, Sinatra just checked in, you know, and they put him in the room next to me. And so I was just listening. I heard under my breath, no, he didn't win. But anyway, he passed away that night. It was May 8th or 10th, 1998. Not in my arms, but yeah.

Hitting my arms. Did you go in there and cuddle him? I wanted to, man. I became an Army issue hyperfan at age 40 before that I didn't get it. And then when I got it, I really got it, you know. But I did ask the cardiologist there, world class. I go, what was Frank Sinatra like as a patient? And they were Indian. They're still friends of mine.

They go, oh, he was, it was very tough, you know, because you'd give them the thing to blow in and see what your lungs are. Hey, get back, Doc. I'm going to blow this further than anybody's ever blowing these bubbles in the fucking life, you know? So I don't know. Do you have a snobstory, David? Or are you, Sebastian? I do not.

No. No, I never ran across them. Was your dad a super fan? Yeah. Italian is not. No, I mean, we listened to him, but it wasn't like, you know, you know, we didn't have a picture of them on the wall at the house. It was, he was, you know, played on Saturday mornings while I was doing vacuuming. I remember I had to do chores on Saturday.

My mother would play him around the house. But, yeah, I don't know, I just find him fascinating. Like, I just, I don't know, like the old school type of guy. It's fun. Well, the rap pack at the Sands, the live album is magical, you know. And John Lovitz told me, John Lovitz, plays it in, before. before he goes on every night when he does clubs. He plays that to get that vibe of Sinatra and Dean Martin and that the coolness of that.

But can I ask you a question because I'm just sort of curious just to put a picture on your childhood, you know, working class. How many siblings did you have? I got a sister younger about five years. And so what were, I like asking people these questions. TV show or movie that floated your boat as, you know, in the formative years, 8, 10, 11, 12, toy or bicycle you had that you'll never forget or musical act that you blew your mind coming up. You have five seconds. It was, uh, three's company was my,

his company. Do do do do. My, John Ritter is magic. Did you ever meet John Ritter? Ever met John Ritter, but, uh, heavily influenced, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, by my physical comedy with John Ritter, uh, a bike or, do you say, uh, uh, A toy? Toy. He-Men. I grew up in the He-Men era. Not Stretch Armstrong.

He-Man was a big, a big He-Man doll. He-Man. I used to play football, like, with my He-Men dolls. So it was like, you know, like, we might have gone too far. He-man for five yards. And then an entertainer would be Michael Jackson growing up. was my vibe. Can I tell you my Michael Jackson story?

God dang. Is it the holiday inn? Yeah, I worked at the holiday inn, and I was a bus boy waiter, and the Jackson 5 came in, and I would go and wait on them. You know, there was Tito and Marlin, and I went in Michael's room before the show, he ordered raw carrots, and Janet, I believe, as a little girl, was jumping up and down on the bed. And he would sit and look at the mirror in the room. I'd give him the raw carrots. And I felt bad later on because I know, I said, you're a good looking kid, but you can maybe do a little

something. And I just backed off and left. But Dana, that set off a whole thing with him. I know. But I did wait on, because we were near the Circle Star Theater up in the Bay Area. It was at 3,000 in the round. So I waited on Richard Pryor, George Carlin, Rich Little. I did room service to little Richard. He answers this door completely naked. Anyway, that's that part. That's another podcast. Can I ask you a little bit about your process?

Yeah. Because once in a while I'd sit down on Netflix and I'd watch specials, okay? And I usually last 15 minutes. With David, like I said, I last about 15 minutes. David, I'd go longer. So I'm going through. I didn't know a thing about you, never saw you.

And it was the one with the Subway sandwich in the Cinnobon. And I watched it all the way through. And I said, holy shit, this is new. This is familiar, but completely brand new. I mean, you know, so I've gotten this from people over the years, right? When they first, because the physicality and the musicality together was so potent to me. And the physicality is, it's not just. all this. It's also just a bun and get your head. And then the rhythms, you know, the way you say

people, people, paper, like you're so exasperated. The guy's over by the pool clip in his toenails. I mean, it's so hypnotic and I love it. And I recommended that special and others to our business manager loves you. And two things. One, So then I went, I said, I showed you to my kids. I said, oh, this guy, you know, Sebastian. Then I said, let's find out where he was. So I watched you on Craig Ferguson doing stand-up. And it was all there, but it wasn't 2.0.

It wasn't extrapolated, but everything was there. So the confidence leap was huge. So you have people tell you this, right? I mean, it's so potent. No one else is doing that even to this day, your style. I just I just really appreciate it and do you pull muscles do you get hurt on stage because Jim Brewer does okay that's all I got to say no I was very very sweet of you I appreciate the I like the way you put it describing kind of what happens up there physicality and

musicality yeah I never really heard it put that way but yeah for me as far as I did comedy so much just to just to get good at it and familiar and you know talk about the confidence you know i i noticed when i started moving a lot people like enjoyed that and it was a bit of a surprise because maybe you wouldn't suspect it coming from a guy like i was just kind of up there i was kind of dressed nice and then i would do a whatever and then i'm like oh wow i'm getting some response here with the movement and then i guess what happens in stand-up comedy you just become, you try to get as comfortable as you are just talking like with your family. So that's kind of how I equated it to because they would look at me on stage and go, you're much funny when

you talk to us, you know, and I was like, well, you know, I got to get used to this. It's something that it's very new to me. And, and yeah, for me, it's just basically storytelling and the act outs are kind of just, they're not practiced. It's just like, I'm going to go to the kind of. It's just like, I'm going to go to the comic store tonight, and I'm going to tell a story that happened to me and how I tell the story happens to come with a head bobber. Yeah, I love that. Just being shocked.

The one I don't know which special it was, but people just randomly ringing the doorbell, the act out on that was just huge. I mean, you're going in different rooms lying down. It was like a whole military operation. So I call it funny with the sound off. And there's nothing more potent than if you look at I Love Lucy Peter Sellers, where there's, first of all, there's not one joke in your act verbally,

but also that the act outs allow the audience to laugh crazy hard because they're not, they don't have to listen right at that moment. So then they're free. And so I just, it's a style that I just love. I think it's kind of a style that when I saw it at the store, I think I first saw it, Sebastian, just leaving, you know, you do a set and you're leaving. And I go, he was next. So I just sat in the back. Or I just walked in one night and, before I went on, just who's on, I don't know everybody here. And same thing, Dan, I just thought it was very different. And I think it's kind of like, maybe you're saying his stand-up in the old days was sort

of, in a weird way, a cappella, and now you're adding strings and different things to it because movements and different things are taking, like, a bit that's funny and it's getting funnier. There's little layers to it now, so you're not, so you have a bit that's already funny, and Now you're putting different stuff to it. Now it's elevating, and now that's your whole style. There's more going on in each bit than a regular stand-up, I would say. That's what I'd drawn to the same stuff.

It was already funny. And then he surprises with some moves. I think it was the Uber bit, and there was one about, about, that was just funny to me. And then when I see, you know, it got into this other thing that we can get into where I just did a special, and this is more what this podcast is about, I did a special. And so what's the name of it? When does it come home? We don't know yet.

But the thing about it is, and Sebastian's done a lot of these and the idea of do you start from scratch and do a whole new hour or do you do a mixed bag? So for me, I just shot my special last week and I'm still on tour. So that will come out after I'm done with the tour. So I'd like to give the crowd a new experience if I'm going to go on tour again. I mean, I think there's some material that people enjoy that they want to hear. Right. And I might throw a few of the older ones in.

But I like to, you know, I don't know. It's hard with comedians. I mean, I'm sure you guys run into it the impressions that you do. People want to see the impressions or people want to see the particular. Totally. Yeah. And then you're like, all right, you know, I'll give you that, but... Like the hits.

Here's what do you got? Where's the brides, groomsmen or whatever, that one where they come down and rehearse. That one, I always thought was funny. Because when I see you, sometimes I go, oh, I don't know what's coming out, you know? And if I told my buddy, oh, there's an Uber bit, there's this bit. So those kind of things happen with me, too. They go, oh, I came to see you and you didn't do. And I'm like, I know I actually like to mix in some of my favorites and then, of course,

do new stuff and then there's that feeling of that was in the special do i do it when i go out again i don't know it's it's it's back and well here you guys a little bit older than me you you you didn't have like you when you did when you did something on tv or you did that just lived on tv it's not like you went and go and like pulled that clip back up again of uh the s&L sketch that you guys did it's Like, if you missed it, you missed it. Yeah. And now it's all out there for everybody to see. So you do a special.

And it's like I didn't even have cable going up. So I didn't even see the damn HBO specials. And it was like catching a unicorn. But now it's like you do you do a special. They cut it up. It's all on clips on internet. And then people come out and go, all right. Well, yeah, we saw that.

What are we paying, you know, 55 hours a ticket for? That's the big thing, yeah. When I saw that already on YouTube. So it's a challenge, I think, for comedians to kind of come up with equal to or greater than material that they have done previously. That's the challenge. You know, the holidays are here, and that means it's the most wonderful time of year to save with Racketon.

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It's a little bit like with me chopping broccoli. People still, I don't know if you've heard of it, but it's this goofy song. And there was no joke in it. And so your bits have no joke. So it's like Monty Python or something. The rhythms and the physicality, you, you, you. probably would enjoy some of your stuff more the second time. So I can see why you go, okay, I'm going to do this bit, maybe do an encore, you know,

Regan, Brian Regan had to do that because he had some bits that were just so, the people just wanted to hear him. Even before Twitter and TikTok, he had people know. It's not jokes with surprise punchlines. Those kind of burn out. Those guys who do that style, that's hard. But anyway, you go ahead. Yeah, I think you're right.

Sometimes it's just the way people do it, like the chop. and broccoli everybody could watch that over and over again i i did have a question on the chopin broccoli when you went chop a you did a you did a chopin brock is that was that all in the moment there or was that like planned i done it in the clubs i think the first time i did it was at the improv on melrose and that piano at midnight started it there so i was doing in the clubs for probably a couple years so that was just a good representation, but there's no way I'm knowing when I'm going to go, you know, but I knew that I was going to escalate it. But I didn't know it would happen right at that moment. You know, it's probably the way you work, you know, you and me, you know, but it's a,

yeah, you, you, you kind of have an outline, but you're not totally sure. I know it's cold as ice paradise and the feeling was so nice. He's a lady. I know if I didn't know her, she'd be the lady I didn't know. And then we get in, my lady went downtown. She bought some broccoli. And then There, there I'm off. Once I get to chop broccoli, then anything could happen. And the clubs, I'll do it for 10 minutes with a guitar. Yeah. Or when you did an SNL, I've seen it, but I don't remember.

I watched it for the first time a week ago. Did it kill or was it one of those ones that like cone heads that doesn't do that well? And then they do it again, then it kills because they're on to it. You know what I mean? They're like, oh, it takes a, because sometimes those are just like weird bits and then they stick with everybody. And everyone's like, oh, shit, that's great. And you go, you know, it never killed because it's so new, they don't even get it right away. It did build.

I mean, the character, I had to call it a character. I used to do it just as myself. I'd set it up as rock stars losing inspiration. But Derek Stevens, and then it sort of built after time, but it did well. It was at the end of my first show. But then I wrote a sketch later where Derek Stevens goes to his record company. And they tell him that he has to die because they look at the. record sales of Hendricks and Jim Morrison.

That kind of killed the character, you know, but anyway, but back to our guests. Did you guys on us to know, I mean, do you look at other casts after you guys have left and say, oh, you know, like, do you compare like, oh, when we were there, it was the hey day, or how do you guys, like, judge the show after you've been on it? It's something that you did. David? I start with thinking they're all bad, and then I go from there. No, I don't, no, it's, we've talked about this because we've talked to different generations,

Garrett Morris and Lorraine Newman, and then we go newer cast, and it's always about the same situation where some of them are, some sketches are good, and some don't work as well. And then there's some cast members that kind of pop out and some flatline. And that's just the way it's always been. I think I was lucky to have good people around me. But that wasn't for sure known at the time. It was five years later, 10 years later that everyone kind of held up. I always think, you know what I mean?

I could have some memories of the seven years I had in there that was really went well and everything. But when I see other people like later on, like Sherry O' Terry or if I see Will Ferrell and stuff, like, okay, they're better than I was. That's how I go. I go Bill Hader, Fred Armors. Okay, I'm not as good as Kristen Wigg. I couldn't do that. I couldn't do that. Again, and so I always look at the cast beyond my time lovingly and with a lot of admiration, you know, because like, I didn't do that.

You know, because it's kind of unlimited. You do what you do and then you leave the show. But, you know, it keeps being reinvented. I mean, how do you, I'm just going to ask you, because you didn't have cable and you're in the clubs. Like, who were you, who were you looking at? and you didn't have telephone you didn't have a landliner you know but who are you like george carlin george car who are you looking at to it was anybody on johnny carson so we would stay up and watch johnny carson and i would be fascinated when the comedian would come on back then

i think he got like seven or eight minutes uh and i was like just like oh wow this is this is unbelievable plus back then we would listen to records of yeah arlin or uh i would i would see cable my on Saturday morning, I went over to my uncle's house to visit. He would tape all the comedians to me to watch. So I, I, that's kind of how I was introduced to standup was I think first through through the Tonight Show. So how old were you when you went to your uncle's house to look at the stand-ups to watch the Playboy Channel? This is eight. I was like seven, eight years old. So you got the bug early. You kind of, yeah. I was I was really, really fascinated with stand-up comedy from a young age. I just always thought it was.

I used to go to comedy clubs when I was 15 not to perform just to watch. I had a fake ID me and my girlfriend would go and there's a little comedy club in Rosemont at the time. I even forget the name of it. And we used to sit in the back and I used to sit there and marvel at the comedian going, gee, how does he remember all this?

Exactly. I had the same thing. Yeah. And I'm like, are they just making this up like right now? They seem so confident. They're so scared. Yeah. Did you see Seinfeld on there? I remember seeing Seinfeld. I saw Lano on Carson. I saw Jeff Altman. There's just some that stuck out. George Miller, remember that was, is that on Letterman? Letterman's friend, George Miller. But that's funny because you see him, and that's really it. And then you wait and see someone else on there.

Rickles was always, as a kid, was the one who just made me laugh the hardest. Again, no jokes. Ed, the show started a half hour ago. Put him in the corner and give him a cookie. Hey, Ed, get him the program. I mean, and he had his tricks, but still, he had his tricks, but still, he made it feel so spontaneous. Yeah, I really enjoyed him in the Johnny Carson banter. And the back also I liked when the talk shows had people on the couch. Yeah. You would come out and they would goof around with the girl next to you.

Next to you, everybody would be like having fun. And now it's like you go out there and it says you and the host, it would be nice to have the first guest sitting next to you. It's promotion and corporate. greed and you know that was just like i mean there's one online there's so many online what rickles is just next to sonatra you know vini babongo called you know he just doing all these fake italian names and uh sonatra was dying but yeah that bygone error can i ask you this uh were you interverted extroverted in the middle going through grade school or do you have

years where you're kind of the king of the hill other years you were dormant shy just shy kid never class clown just quiet polite just observed the the class clown i never liked the class clown i always thought funny sorry dana no i was introverted as well but when i was in fourth grade i had a good year i got kind of cocky but fifth grade i went i went dormant no fourth grade so i'm about i was a shoplifter i smoked cigarettes and i fought a lot of kids i fought And then what happened? Your stock went down to the next year? I don't know.

You know, that's the thing. What I was going to say about confidence, you know, is there's 99% and then that last 1% is as big as the previous 99. And I think that's where you got to at a given point. And so the audience, when they sense that kind of confidence, like Dave Chappelle, when he's up there, you know, it's just like, that's at that high, high. And you're there, too. It takes 22 minutes to light his cigarette. Everyone's like. I know.

It's best right. You're actually... It's funny. Yeah, you're waiting. You're actually, when you watch him, you hope that he likes you as an audience member. That's how powerful he looks at me. How powerful he is.

But when you get to that level of confidence, that next, next wound down level, the audience is so comfortable. They're so relaxed that you have command up there. And you got there. I don't know what Europe was, but you got there and it's fun to watch. I've seen recent specials.

I won't give names. big comics. And I was one of them a few years back, but their eyes are kind of big and they're dancing for their dollars. They're a little sweaty and it's not their best set. And you know, you want to feel like the guy's not shooting a special, you know. You know, Sebastian's good. Because the eyes get big and beat of sweat and it ain't funny all of a sudden. Go ahead, David. He's not afraid to keep, keep it silent for a second. You know, like, I think, I think I'm right when you, there's silence in mind. I'm scared. They're going to yell. I'm scared. It's hard to sit there and be quiet and think of the next thing. I think Nate Bergotsi has good crowds

where they wait. You know what I mean? They're well behaved. And to get a crowd, it's so much more fun to do throwaway jokes or to take a pause and then they go, but if you, I get rowdy sometimes. And so I can't leave that much. And I think I like when someone like Sebastian just stops for a second. Then he goes on the next thing and you're like, I'm in this. So if you're good, if you get a good crowd, you can do it. Yeah, that's the biggest fear. I love the It's just you don't know what people are going to say or do or, you know, someone could yell out something because the audience feels sometimes maybe uncomfortable going, are we supposed to talk now?

Or you do forget something? Yeah. They want you to keep fucking going. They get uncomfortable. They're like, maybe this is the time he wants me to yell something stupid. And they're right on cue. You know, you're in shape as a stand-up. if you're up there and you have a bit and it's killing and you just in the back of your head

you go, oh my God, if this is killing, I got three stacked right behind this, you know, I can really relax now. Oh, yeah. You know, that's a good place to be in. A good crowd is great. Yeah. Yeah, you got to be, I mean, even sometimes you feel like, I don't know if you guys feel like you're doing a bit. Maybe it's one of your favorite bits to do, but it doesn't come, it comes in the middle. You put it in the middle, right? And then you feel like after that, you're like, the stuff that I got after this is not going to be as good as what they just saw, right? No. But you get, at least for me, I get so excited to do that. I got to move it up in the act. It keeps me kind of engaged. And then after that, for me, I feel like, oh, man, it's a little

bit of a letdown just to tell them these jokes because I know they're not as good as what I just did. Or you know, you get a weird crowd, not to interrupt you, I had this the other night. They weren't, they're either really biting on everything or you go, oh, they're not biting on this. This is dirty. And they're not biting. And I'm like, uh-oh. I'm looking at my list going, we got some dirty ones coming up toward the end. How do I get around these because why it's so hard on your feet to go, I got to move that up.

I got to lose that. But I still got to do enough time because they are, if they're not biting on this one, they're not going to like the next. You can just tell. I know. Get off it. Get off it. It's such a psychological beating up there. You're like, don't you find it fascinating that you're saying they're not biting on this,

meaning as an audience. As a whole group. Yeah, like they all got together and go, listen. Dirty, we're not laughing at the dirty stuff tonight. But it's fascinating for me is like, how is it like everybody in the audience is not on board with this one particular show? Yep. Or they don't like this.

the super dry stuff. Like, you can just come and have little musings that work. Like, I think the other night I go on and I go, hey, don't tell me what happened in the election. I taped it. Don't tell me who won. I taped it. And then I got a big laugh.

Next night I do it, they're just staring at me. I'm like, what happened? What happened between last night and tonight? At certain point, it's too late to do that. But for their two, three days there. And then I go, and then I go, there's some throwaways in my act. They weren't. And they're like,

throwaway crowd give us the give us the fastballs i'm like fuck and that's what you realize early on and i go i got an hour of this i got my problem is if i too early get too jumpy and i just go out and i go not gonna do it i'm fucked because that's it they did they some people leave after that they or if i go party on some half the crowd goes we got it we got it we got it we heard it if i don't do anything else and then you do something else i go why are you doing something else Why are you talking about anything but the church lady right now? I don't understand. Why?

You're ruining it. It's a good problem to have, but it's basically a greatest hits review. I might as well be at, you know, the Tropicana and Loughlin, you know. Little Dennis Miller slipped in. By the way, I'll be at the Tropicana and Loflin on November 18. You got the Sebastian cat on the pod today, huh? That's a toddling cat, you know, out there with the physicality. works it works it so another question besides but we're going to get to uh your all your credits movies

tv shows and he's like please get to my credits PR person's going nuts when is he gonna mention the book when is he gonna do it when is he gonna mention the bookie we got a two-hour pot i can't do you have to stretch before you go out i mean do you kind of i do uh early on no but now I pop my calf a couple of times on stage. Of all things. Which bit was it or what? I can't do the stealing home bit. It was just a pivot move.

We were squatting. I went to go sprint from one side to the other. As I went off my right leg, I'm like, wow, did I just break my leg? It doesn't take much. You have to be at least 30. So after that, it doesn't take a lot. You're like, what happened was I turned to grab the computer mouse. And everyone's like, and I go, that was it.

I'm old enough that my toes will spasm during a set. Like they just start going out and getting all rigid. I go, what the fuck? That's painful. I can't put any weight on it. So I just go, nah, got it down. Not going to step over here. I'm trying to stir up ticket sales on this.

I want to see you collapse. I'm going to your show. So did you have to ice it, rest it, massage it, massage it? it was okay yeah i had to mention it to the crowd because that definitely hampered my movement i had sciatica for two years uh and it really really screwed with my that's wicked wicked shit i don't know if you guys have dealt with that go down your back your leg or something yeah it goes the side of your leg into your calf some people get it into their ankle and foot but uh fuck that i couldn't i couldn't move i you know it's hard to be funny when you're in like a lot of

pain. So I had to really work through that. It's gone now. I did Pilates to correct. I tried everything. No. The double shots. I was getting, I was doing cupping, massage, whatever that was out there I was doing. And then I fell upon this LaGri Pilates and all of a sudden two months in. Wow. Yeah. My wife had it. Same thing. Pilates, all that kind of stuff. Could I ask you, what's special when you were in massive pain, did you record? What was the name of that special when you're in pain? Oh, that was the last one. Is it me in the Puxedo?

Really? I'm kidding. He probably decided not to record. What is your last one called? Is it me? Yeah. Or I thought it ain't right. No?

It ain't right is the tour. The tour, yeah, yeah. And then is it me? Yeah. Is it me? And how would you full, Sebastian? What time is it? What time is it?

I'm running out a special name. Sebastian, you have one called Give it a Rest. Give it a rest. Mine's called beep-pop, boop. I mean, they go, is this a real one? I'm like, I don't know. He had a special that even pencil it in. He had a special.

He named it. The name was so nondescript that for two years in this podcast, neither of us could remember the name of his current special. What was the name of it? They're always like either two words or just something kind of cutesy, but. Question. Aren't you embarrassed? what's wrong with people.

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You're like, no, it's just all goofy, dumb jokes, and it makes no sense. So I'm going to have it a special name. Like, when I heard Rock named his tambourine, and I didn't get it at all, but I just liked that it was different. And spelled different than. And then he said, when you're married, sometimes you're the lead, sometimes you play the tambourine and let them shine. And I was like, oh, okay, so it has some thought to it, you know.

So I like that. But I liked it anyway, because it was just weird. And it's always fun to think of a name and then no one really cares. I had one good one and one terrible one. The good one was the 90s. I called it Critics Choice with four stars. And I never talked about it on cable TV. It would come up on Comedy Central.

Dana Carvey, Critics Choice, four stars. My sister would call me and says, you got Critics Choice again. Then in 2016, I had an Irish nephew from Dublin at Stella Adler and Hollywood. it was right when wokeness was coming in and they said this and this and this but straight white males need not apply for some class so he goes man you should name it that you know so i need him a straight white male 60 i don't know why because some people said that's kind of catch you i would click on that you know and then i'm on the great late norm macdonald's podcast and goes so i sound special i mean what was that title about and he is it kind of has nothing to do is straight white male right

and I go, know it, nothing. There's no bit in there about it. It's completely just slapped on. Like that you confuse Norm with that one. I did, I know. What other than me? What isn't it mean? Where's a bit about that, you know?

I didn't understand it. So we love Norm, of course. So I just threw that in case people don't understand that. So we make fun of Norm all the time. We love Norm. I mean, I love to do them because I'm visiting with him. But so the bookie is what your PRP, is that where you're on right now? besides besides he's on because he likes he's a big fan no it's uh i watched one of the the first

episode today it was it's very cool i mean you had ray romano on it on it you know and you were in that movie with him somewhere in queens yeah yeah so yeah i mean the whole acting thing for me has been a struggle to kind of wrap my head around coming off you know stand-up comedy and getting that immediate you know gratification on stage and then all of a sudden you're acting and now it's uh we're going to do that again we're going to move the cameras and this and that just for me it's like i get like i get impatient it's like okay come on let's uh it's not really fun is it unless it's documentary style but if it's like we're coming around you know we're going to do it we're moving we're moving in oh really do you hate yourself when

you start um repeating the way you did a joke over and over on different takes it makes me sick, to be honest. Because I keep doing it and they go, do it again. I'm like, it's just, it's not funny. And they go, now do it again. This is the one we're probably going to use. I'm like, now it's 48 takes in. I mean, giving it my all.

Hi, yeah, hey. And then I got to do it again. And the people across me are like, oh, so all that, that was all planned, that little throwaway ad lib. I'm like, yes, you get it now. Sorry. But in your act, you do it once and you keep moving. And everyone's like, oh, hey.

They do the master shot at eight. AM, right? David, they do the best shot, then a second or third master shot. But the time you get to the money shot on you, it's like eight, nine hours later. You've actually said the words over 200 times. It doesn't even sound like English at that point. Then the reviews, the comedian, the impression is struggles with his acting skills. No, fucking get put do Larry David with me. Just shoot everything every second. One time to just bring it back to us. That type brother. Sebastian. We were on a, when we did Tommy, Boy, Brian Denny he came in to play Farley's dad.

We all love him from fucking true, first blood or whatever. And so we were all excited. So we didn't realize because it was our first big movie or any movie and that we were, Pete, the director, who's a great guy, we love him. But to make sure, because we were new, I think Paramount told him, just make sure you get it. So we're doing 15 masters, you know, forget about the over the shoulder and then a two shot and then a over the wide shot and then a loose two. Close up. So we're doing, that's what we're taking all day. And then Brian Dennyhy, after three takes of the master's, they go, all right,

going again, he goes, what the fuck? What are we doing? What are we doing here? We got it. Go, move on, move on. I love a tough guy. We just did three. How many?

We're going to be on this at a second at the beginning and a second at the end of the thing. What are we doing? And I was like, are you allowed to say this? What's going on? And then, because, you know, Farley gives it a thousand, ten percent. I give it about 64. And so at the, he's just so burned out. drinking coffee and we're like, we haven't even pushed in for the stuff we're going to use.

So he was sort of trying to protect us a little bit in a very loud voice. I had Robert Locha. That's great. Do that one, a movie one. Oh, that's another exact type. He goes up to director gets in his face, you're wearing out the actors. You're wearing them the fuck out. And the director's like shriveling down.

I did Roadhouse. Yeah. I played a piano with Tom Hanks, you fucked face. We shot Roadhouse in a day and a half. That's Patrick Swayze. Was Brian, was Robert Loshua and Roadhouse? I think he was a bad guy. Was he? I lived across the lake.

Anyway, back to Sebastian. All right. Well, Sebastian, thank you, bud. What else can we ask? Thank you. I appreciate it. He's a good guy. I will see you at the store. He's a brilliant stand-up. I think you're an excellent actor, by the way. I like watching you act. And you wrote a book. I don't know what you haven't done. But, you know, just keep on, keeping on. if we run into each other somewhere what would you want me to say

to you have a backstage the comedy store what would you like me to say hey Sebastian we'll just pick it up right before we left off right here we just go into the next question start about the bookie and then just go from that are you going to run and tell your wife and kids

they said I was really physical and musical yeah that's going to be at the dinner table tonight do you know what they said about daddy you know what they said and you're picking them up I'm holding them. Anyway, it was so much fun to have you on here. And thanks for letting us blab.

But yeah, keep on doing. And just have fun, I guess. Enjoy yourself. I mean, it's... I am enjoying myself. And it was a pleasure talking to both of you, two guys that I kind of grew up watching on TV. And, you know, sometimes it's like, you know,

you got to wrap your head around these things. It's like, yeah, watching you as a kid. Now we're doing a podcast together. Sometimes it's, you know, plays with your head a little bit going. I told, I had it with Martin Short and Steve Martin, you know. Like, really, you consider me a peer? What? Is this where we're at now?

Are you crazy? You know, but yeah, I totally get that. Don't ever lose that, you know, and you're making a lot of people happy. I know that sounds really corny, but from where I'm at, people fucking need to laugh in life. And so it's a good thing to, it's a good stock and trade to do. Hey guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app. Give us a review, five-star rating, and maybe you can share an episode that you've loved with a friend. If you're watching this episode on YouTube, please subscribe.

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