Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - RE-RELEASE - Sheryl Crow

Episode Date: August 20, 2025

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friends with Courtney Cox and those girls. Super fun, super talented, and I think she's on tour now with Willie. I just saw her on some flyer. This just sounds very cool, something I would definitely go to. But I've seen her play at Irvine. We dig a little bit with her because we like to have musicians on sometimes. I love music and Dana loves music and you can play music. And so it's more fun probably for you to dig into somewhere.

who knows what they're talking about. And she called us in from Nashville. Yeah. So that was kind of cool. And there are some fun parts when you talk to a musician and a songwriter and a singer who can really do that and who she thinks are the best people in history to have done that, you know. And so that's always fun to hear their take. And we interviewed her on Zoom and she was like in a garage with maybe 100 guitars. I know.

Remember that? Yeah, yeah. It was stunning looking. Enjoy this lovely lady, Cheryl Crow. It's been 3,000 years since I've seen either one of you. Hi, Cheryl. Weren't you at the 40th? You were at the 40th, weren't you?

Yes, I was. I was. So that's when we last saw each other. When was that? 2016, I think. That was 40 years into S&L. Yeah, I know. It feels like, yeah.

Cheryl. Cheryl Crow is with us. I just like to say this, 32 Grammy nominations, nine wins, and 50 million albums there. Just to re-remind everyone what the fuck is going on right now. What, Cheryl? Let me put on my glasses so I can see you. Okay, yes.

You both are looking very well. I'm sorry that your listeners can't see us visiting with each other through our camera screens. I know. Even though this is all audio, I spent about 45 minutes on my chair and lighting and stuff. I don't know why. Oh, I spackled my face.

You got your guitars back there. The hair's looking great. Oh, Dana. I always love to you. Dana looks like he's in solitary confinement. People can't see it. This room is empty of void, but all my son's models and little army men are in a plastic container and the laptops on top of it. So it's very nostalgic when I do this.

He's 28 now, but now I'm seeing it. Dana, what is that room that you're in that has no art on the wall? Nothing. are you is it everything must go personal i have um sleep paralysis so i have to sleep in an empty house because they'll come for me i have it yeah okay i have sleep paralysis how often um i have not had it in a while but now for a long time i would have it uh almost every night and i would have it periodically through the night and what's weirder and i don't know if you have this i'm sure this is so interesting to your listeners do you ever have sleep paralysis on a

an airplane? No, I can't sleep on an airplane because I'm too terrified no matter what. Even I just watch the computer and check the pilots. So you go to sleep on air. I sleep like a damn baby on an airplane. Well, if you had any other sleep paralysis is basically you feel like something's attacking you invisibly in the night or there's a weight on your chest. It's like a waking nightmare kind of. You can't wake yourself up and yet you think that you're awake. Like you see people in the room moving and you're trying desperately to get them to wake you up. You're paralyzed. Yes, you can't move. And the thing that got me, I was, it's the first time, San Jacidro Ranch in Montecito, whatever, you know, lifestyle is rich and

famous. Yeah. And just woke up or I was, had that pressure on my chest, like something was crawling on top of me. And then I kind of went, okay, that was a dream. Use the restroom. Went back to bed felt I was as wake as I am right now and then came back again. Yeah. But now I talk to it. It's never harmed me. I don't know if it's a spirit thing or something. Dana, then what did you do? I beat the shit out of it. No, you left, didn't you? Well, my wife was sound asleep. So I turned to her and said, we have to go now. It's three in the morning. We have to leave immediately. And she's a terrified. She's a keeper because she didn't even blink. She's like, okay. Okay. honey. It's okay, honey. See, I thought it was just mostly in women. The women in my family

have it. My mom has managed through the years to figure out how to get my dad to wake her up and she does it by singing. Oh, interesting. Well, you're in Nashville. Isn't that full of ghosts out there? That's kind of, isn't it full of ghosts like old country singers and stuff? I mean, walking around in the night. Lots of civil war, ghosts in Franklin. Oh, it's never a dull moment down here. And we live in the rainforest, except for one of it. Cheryl was in Guitar Center. It does look like Guitar Center here. She has 30 guitars behind her.

Cheryl, I've been to Smashville, and next time I go that, I'm going to make you come down to the Ryman and watch me bomb. I'm so mad that you've been here and not called me. I take it very personally. You know, the last time I saw your, but you lived somewhere in the Canyon. Yeah. If you had some beautiful house. It was like a couple of houses.

Right next to Runyon Canyon. Okay. And I won't give you the address because somebody else that's kind of high profile lives there now. However, that being said, I used to have wild parties at my house. And I don't know if you remember this. And I've only been thinking about it lately because of Salman Rusty being in the news. Not to mention we just played Chautauqua. So I'm sure you know what happened to Salon Rusty.

So many driver and I decided this is years ago. I'm trying to think of what year it would have been. Salman's usually my plus one at parties. He is. He is fascinating. Anyway, we said, let's have a New Year's Eve party together. And you can invite 40 people and I'll invite 40 people. And that was going to be it.

And by about 11 at night, there must have been 800 people in my house. And one of them was Salman Rushdie. And it was right after his book had come out and there was a bounty on his head. Oh, my God. And I'm just like, really? Is somebody get killed here tonight? What's happening? Oh, Miss Hollywood.

Your house was like a bunch, was it a bunch of little houses or am I like crazy? Yeah, there was a big old Spanish house and then across the driveway, which is the house I bought, and then right across the driveway on the same property were two other houses that were really old. One was built in the early 1900s and the other one was built in 1887. And the guy who lived in those, who had those two properties and the 11 acres wound up selling it to me for, he just needed to get out and kept lowering the price and lowering the price. And so I wound up with all three houses. And it was just.

Compound. Magical. But once I adopted my boys, I just didn't want to live in L.A. anymore. Dana, I understand. Dana, I knew Cheryl Suzanne Crow a little bit. You know everybody. His Rolodex is metaphorical Rolet. We used to run around.

on the same crew. No, we did, I know. Yes. Oh, who was that peer group? Was it kind of like the little club? Courtney Courtney, which, Courtney Cox? Courtney Cox and Kid Rock was around. I was around with Kid Rock because of, it was during the Joe Dirt times

when I saw Cheryl the most and we call him Bobby, which I don't know, it's kind of gross, but I was like Bobby Bob. But Kid Rock is a buffoon, it's hilarious and we would all go out. And then I would run in Cheryl and with all those other people and she was always nice and she was always friendly and obviously being a superstar but had a lot of fun she has a great voice and she has a great singing voice but she's a great voice too i've heard it and uh it was fun i just watched your whole

documentary and uh so it's just weird to have you pop on right after because i finished it this morning oh you did oh yeah it's great it's kind of a tear jerker for some reason there's i have it on in the background right now. I just glance at it. I do. It's, it's never a dull moment. It's brilliant. I mean. I put it up there with Top Gunn. I put up there with Top Gunn Maverick. By the way, can we sing Top Guns praises for 10 seconds? Did you see it? I did like Top Gun. I don't know if I, what? What? Cheryl is a new Top Gun out. Like my wife both flipped for it. It's like it's the new one. The new one. It was so good. Here's how I'm going to connect it and see if you guys connect to this i connect it to roman holiday with gregory peck and audrey hepburn interesting the reason is it's done a lot

but they did it better than anyone else you invest in the characters invest in the story and then there's seven minutes of han hans zimmerman soundtrack with kind of people hugging each other and giving thumbs up and that's the part that get you anyway wow okay i'm gonna go back and watch it i dragged my boys to see it because they had no attachment to Top Gun and I was kind of skeptical but I'd heard how great it was and we loved it. I mean it was such a good

old fashioned plot driven movie anyway. How old are the kids? My kids are 15 and 12. Oh right in the pocket oh okay that's perfect yeah and they seriously don't think I'm cool at all it would be weird if they did oh my God is Cheryl Crows cooking me a pant kicked yeah tell them to watch the documentary they'll say how cool you are do you think i should

let them watch it i don't know you're um i don't look at it from their eyes but it's so it shows how tough you are how hard you bust your ass how good you are first of all everyone that loves is crazy about you all these huge huge stars that rally around you and you're singing with every single one of them i knew you more like a skim job because when you watch the you know when i'd see you out but we you know i don't get into all that stuff and it's so uh i i have so many more levels to uh your whole life and career i had no idea about no well you know i think most people and i'm sure you guys too you guys have stories that nobody knows anything about like you're so interesting you're like a fully realized person that's not you know that's not covered in the tabloids and all

that stuff i find that everybody has a story every and way more than you think i i wouldn't release mine because no one would believe it. They would just laugh me out of the room. I don't know. There's a tease. I'd like to know the story of Dana Carvey. Yeah. When I come to Nashville and we go around all the main street and we go in the bars, we see all the incredible bands. I'll tell you everything you want to know. Okay. So my new best friend is Cheryl Crowe. I just want to make that announcement. Yeah, make it clear. So the thing I got from the documentary, which I recommend everybody is such a human story is how hard you worked and how driven you were and then how you like most people well there's certain celebrities i know that are much easier with fame but how

you had a love hate with that and we talk about that part of the your drive and yet why do i want this and stuff like that yeah i mean i i still think fame is a weird it's a mind it's a real mind trip and and i didn't really adjust to it very well it for me instead of it being fun and something I could kind of navigate and manipulate and use to sort of build my brand, which was not the, you know, people didn't talk about brand back then. I know. Instead, for me, it was pressure. You know, it was pressure and it was a source of my, I mean, I've always looked at my life

as, okay, how am I going to fuck this up? Or, you know, that's just how I've always, I've always been sort of uber critical of myself. I don't know why. But. And so fame was just one more avenue for me to to fall short or embarrass myself. Or, you know, it becomes this thing like, suddenly you're invited to the party and you're like with all the cool kids. And then you get this weird panic that when is this going to stop and, oh, I wasn't at that event or I should have been at that or I wasn't included. It's just like it's another level of panic for it was for me at least. Cheryl, you get re-reminded all the time.

You were saying it in the documentary and you're saying it now. I would like in tiny ways you get re-remind like you go to the Golden Gloves and you're sitting eight rows back where you were the year before and you're like, is that weird? That part is kind of funny. There's so many little things you keep getting checked like where you are in the food chain and Vanity Fair party. They invite you at 9 or 1 a.m. you're like, wait a second.

Yes. Does that matter? And they're like, well, you can't go and you can't bring a plus one this time. Or you can. And all that stuff is someone's in a room deciding your fame level. And they're all, all the pictures of people on the red carpet. And you've like gone out of your way to look hot and you're not in the pictures. Or they'll say a press announcement of like who came and you're not in those 10 they mentioned.

You're like, oh, okay. Well, I was going to say. And one other thing, I find that I still see my name. in the press and it'll be misspelled. Oh. And I'll just go, okay. Do they misspell Crow or Cheryl? They do a C?

Cheryl. They can't get any of it right? Or sometimes it'll be like an E on the end of Crow. Yeah. Anyway, it's all, that's the part, that's the part that was so, once I moved, and especially once my boys came. And really, truth be told, after I got diagnosed with cancer, all that stuff just kind of went out the window and seemed ridiculous, you know.

That same thing happened to me. I'm happening to me twice. Once with a health issue I had botched bypass, but it feels good now. And once when I was picking up my son and he went in for the play date, he's like nine, he comes out, he has a severely fractured wrist. Oh my gosh. It's just like going at a right angle. So he had to drive him to the hospital. And in that moment, everything got real clear, you know. Yeah. I read this thing recently based on what we're talking about. And I can't believe I would read something recently that would be helpful in terms of

getting dinged in show business, the people who criticize you are doing less than you. Ooh, I like that. Isn't it good? Because, like, we would never judge you. We know the work that goes in. You know, I don't ever think of anybody who's hot or not. I just know they have a story and they're talented and whatever. But do you go on social media at all and look around and David's good.

I'm so, I mean, my sister's sitting over here. I'm totally embarrassed, but first of all, I'll say that my kids say I was born in the 1870s. I am so not tech, but also I, I have nothing to do with social media. That's not true. That's not true. I'm involved in my social media, but I don't know how to go on it. I don't know how to post. I hand stuff to Liz and I'll say, can we post about this? This matters or, but I don't, I just don't do it. My kids don't have social media. I already know how my personality is and there's so much mean stuff on there. I would be distraught, so. How do you get your kids to not, do they want to be on and you, you don't let them?

Well, my 15-year-old, initially, about when he turned 12, started begging me for Snapchat. Of course, for sure. About 12 and a half. And all of his friends had Snapchat. They didn't have Instagram. They didn't have whatever else that you have. What else is there? Didn't have TikTok.

I know. I'm sorry. But didn't have TikTok. And then... Is that weird? I am weird. I love Upworthy. Like, I love that I can get with.

But anyway, so he asked me for his 14th birthday if he could have Snapchat. And I said, oh, my gosh, buddy, you don't have to ask for it for your birthday. So he got that. I mean, that's the weird one because you can't check what they're doing. But there's a thousand ways. Yeah, it is sneak chat. There's so many ways, though, to see all the TikTok stuff on YouTube. And we have all the parameters.

house and you know yeah you can't hard to control my daughter is uh actually grew up i don't know where you were in um missouri she is in springfield right now oh and not far yeah so she that's where she's growing up and so i think it's nice it's nice there right it is nice there it is my brother went to college there and i've tried to keep her there as long as i can in a bubble before she uh comes to stay in l-a sometimes because just i can tell it's just it's getting scarier and scarier and scarier of how terrifying it is for them to open to that world. Yeah, but it's kind of that way everywhere. I mean, we just have a, we have a rule that you can't be on your phone.

You know, can't come and lay down on the couch and be on your phone for, you know, I'm sort of at a 30 minute. You can do 30 minutes. Pick your screen. And I look at my screen time. It says I'm on 22 hours a day. I'm like, we can pump those numbers up. I know.

They admonish you. your phone says you're down you're down this week you're usually just down it's like fuck you why aren't you on it for what's wrong with you what can we do to get you sucked back in yeah come on you you know anger really sells man and outrage but i don't look at it i get too way too uh sensitive if i see one negative thing or were you ever funny or whatever they say i'm kind of bummed out and it makes me mad that i even am affected but i don't listen or watch anything i do essentially I don't like to see, hear, or feel anything. Me neither.

Plus, I'll tell you the one thing about making a documentary when you're 60, right? Sexy 60. You see all that old, I'm 60. I turned 60 in February. You see all that old footage of yourself and you still think you're that person. And then it comes back over to an interview with you. And there you are in the chair and you're 60. And you know, I don't want to see it.

I don't want to, like, I like, I like to think that. like in my 30s. Hey, I'm up the ladder looking down at your age going, not bad. But you're right. How do we compete? You know, we're all so cute. Everyone is essentially all human. All humans are cute. We get cuter with age. In their 20s. Adorable. Everybody's really cute in their 20s and 30s, but it's hard to, you know, compete with you. What about Cheryl Woodstock, Dane? I watch your shoes in the Woodstock one. I watch it because they said you were on it. And so I watched it. The 1999, that one. Yeah. Well, wherever you had a full-blown mullet. I did. I was wearing it was, let me just tell you.

Please. This is a total aside. So I have these wonderful hair pieces I can clip in my hair, right? Nice. Not wearing them now, but if I go on stage or whatever. And I have clipped them on both my boys so that they'll look like Tommy boy. I mean, Joe Dirt. Sorry, Joe Dirt. Oh my gosh. There's so many. That's all right. Joe Dirt, yes. Joe Dirt is a big. Halloween costume. Yeah, it is a look. That's cool. Oh my gosh.

I love it so much. But yeah, that documentary 1990, the Woodstock is I watched part of it on the airplane a couple of days ago. And I had to turn it off. It was so disturbing. And I remember it. I remember how awful it was. Was it scary for you because it got scary?

Like by the time Jewel got on and stuff, it was getting closer and closer to that whole. I remember hearing about it. But when you watch how everyone went bananas, it must have been. And I can't believe who would stay. You know what I mean? It was so bad. Yeah, I don't know.

It is interesting that people did stay. It almost felt like they couldn't leave. But it was it was debauched from the beginning because we were on the first day. And we, you could look out and you'd see all these girls who were topless on guy's shoulders, you know, trying to get the MTV camera to sweep around in front of them and get on TV. And they were already throwing shit from the, um, outhouses that were not set up right that were leaking and at what point some landed on my hand while I was playing bass during my favorite mistake that's when we stopped we played about four songs and I I remember saying not not gonna do it not gonna do it wouldn't be prudy set me up I don't

normally do characters on the podcast but not gonna do it feces on the bass bad Anyway, well, that's a good gig story. Yeah. Yeah, I've got a few of those. That was a highlight, though. We went on after Andy Dick. And then that tells you what the vibe was. Yeah, that's, he went on after insane clown posse.

So we were going after them. We were like, is this our crowd? What'd you open with? What was you come out with a rocker? How'd you try to follow Andy Dick? I think we came out with a bit. makes you happy. I mean, that was our weapon. That is a weapon. Wow. Is that your, is that your one to go to? You have a lot of anthems. You have a lot, a lot of anthems. God, look through her shit.

I was like going, look at that song. Oh, my God, because I love leaving Las Vegas and it came up my iTunes the other day, knowing. And it was without my phone knowing, I was, you know, we were going to talk this week. Or did it? Yeah, did it. Yeah, that's really the question. And that was, that's a monster at that beginning base and a great song is a huge story about it in your documentary and then also and then you keep going and going your first letterman uh backup from michael jackson just getting that you kind of skimmed over that in audition for michael jackson how in god's green earth did you sneak in and audition where they didn't go your name's not on this list you were just cute you ran in and said i'm next it's weird um i did a few sessions out there

with, I started to get a little bit of work singing jingles, you know, the songs that are in commercials for those that don't know. And I think because I was the new kid in town, I started to get some work and started getting hired and was on a couple of sessions with the same guys. One of them was Daryl Fennessey, who's fantastic singer. And actually, it was for John, one of them was for Johnny Mathis. And I overheard him talking to another singer. about the Jackson tour. So I asked about it and you had to be recommended by Bruce Swedeen or Quincy Jones or Rod Temperton. And of course, I didn't know any of those people.

I think I'd been in town maybe six months when I first started getting work. And I found out where it was. And I drove out. It was at a rehearsal space. I want to say SIR, but I don't think they have that in L.A. Can't remember what it was called. Drove there and thought, well, what's the worst thing that can happen? And so I went and I knocked on the door and they let me in that they asked me what my name was.

I said, I'm Cheryl Crowe. I am not recommended, but I overheard Daryl Fennessey. I mean, I told him straight up. It's good. You threw in some good names. And they said, well, come on in. And they put me on video first. And I said, hey, Michael, my name is Cheryl Crow.

I just moved here. I was an elementary school teacher. I'm out here doing sessions and would love a chance to go on the road and sing backup for you or whatever. And then I got a call from Daryl and he put me with a couple of other singers and we went in and sang together and they hired us. Now was this supposed to be backup or we supposed to sing? Backup. The whole idea. Okay. But you eventually were doing stuff singing with him. Well, he had two or three songs that featured females. Like one of them was Man in the Mirror, which was Saida Garrett on the record. Yeah. Oh, and I can't stop loving you.

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Hello, it's Lena Dunham. I host a podcast called The Sea Word with my dearest friend and historian of bad behavior, Alyssa Bennett. What is up? It's a chat show about women whose society is called Crazy. We're going to be rediscovering the stories of women's society dismissed by calling them mad, sad, or just plain bad.

Listen to and follow the C-word with Lena Dunham and Alyssa Bennett, available now wherever you get your podcasts. It's interesting when you see you, like, you're at home now and you're Cheryl and sweet, personal. But when I watch it with Jagger and Michael Jackson, okay, so like these Titans, and you're just like going for it. I mean, it is kind of a, it's a personality you put on it. It's fierce. and rock starry. I mean, that transition? I mean, who was tougher?

Jagger or Michael to like keep in their face? Because they're both really aggressive dancing with you and you're right, right up on top of them. It's very cool to see. Mick Jagger was, I mean, he was far more terrifying, for sure. I mean, I'd grown up with that guy, right? I had grown up with the sticky fingers record and I'm zipping the zipper.

I mean, they were like dangerous, like, like edgy and they had all this folklore around them you know and um and and by the time i got to sing with them um i mean i i'd seen them live a handful of times i mean that was like that was the bomb i was so afraid and i threw up all day i was a nervous wreck um and i think i even talked about the documentary about bobby keys handing me a bottle of tequila right before I went on. A bottle? Have a shot of courage and the next thing I know, I'm out there with them.

And yeah, I mean, it's a funny thing. And I know you guys know this too. It's like you have this side that has to, has to show up and be fearless. But then you also, I don't know if you guys are like this. As soon as you walk off stage, you go, oh, my God, I suck or I sucked or that was, you know, I want to do it again. I wish I got, you know. and it's that sort of balance between stepping into it and then coming away from it

and being able to just put it away without rehashing it with all the voices that are in your head that tell you you suck do you I sometimes do it later on I mean when you came off from Jagger really in that moment did you think I just sucked or did you feel kind of cool obviously the first faces are crew guys or whatever and they have a range of compliments hey And sometimes they'll change it mid-ward. Or nothing. Hey, that was really... Or nothing.

That was really good. You know, they go from great... You get these little messages. And then if you get someone really highbril, you crushed it, you crushed it, you crushed it, you know. Yeah. And then later, hours later, I would think, ah, fuck, I missed that. I rushed that.

So that... It's a funny, you know, it's a funny thing. That was such an out-of-body experience that it was hard to even relate to it. And then compound that with, I mean, literally, we were, we didn't even have a hit yet. I mean, all I want to do had come out and it was starting to happen. But it, I couldn't even process it. But, you know, my nature has always been to not think I'm good enough. You know, and I guess that's part of what propels you to work so hard is that you feel like whatever you're doing is never as great as the Rolling Stone.

or never as great as Stevie Nix or not even as great as you think you should or could be. And it's taken me years really to grapple with that. And, you know, there's also, you know, you talk about the mental challenges that go along with being an artist or somebody who puts themselves out there that shows up. You know, I spent a little time with Robin Williams. the years. And you look at somebody like that who can open himself up and be so beautifully funny and so just present. Seemingly happy. Yeah, but then in their real life, you know, they're struggling and that's the story of a lot of us. I got to know Robin quite a bit. I've know I knew him since the 70s. Yeah. And they got to know him when we were both up here

in Marin County for the last five years. And part of what I feel about him is like his shyness and his vulnerability, he would call me boss, but he was my idol. And then his powerhouse on stage, and really he created this idea of a Shakespearean actor just showing up. And it was just a brilliant concept of like, oh, hey, who, and you never knew

where he was going to go, you know. One thing I wanted to ask you, Cheryl, but David's going to ask a question first. Go ahead. No, I have a question about what to say to people when they get off stage. So I did the, God, why do I think you were here? Andrew Agassi

Charity in Vegas Maybe you weren't there So it's just like All these stars go on Right It's comedy Yeah I was at the table

With Ray Romano I thought you were my tape Why don't even think this Anyway I was there Okay so you were there Okay Yes

That's the night I met Lance Armstrong Okay Okay Okay interesting My next question That's part two Part two of the interview

Okay I'll whiz through this story first because this one sucks. So they go, Ray's there and you're there. We're all at this tape, whatever. They go, okay, you're going to go up, then Cheryl, then remember, remember. So I have to go up before Ray. And I go after, do you remember there was like an 11-year-old phenom singer from like American Idol or something?

Yes, I do. Anyway. So they go, she's only doing one song or something. So I'm waiting in the wings. And she goes up and she does like, I will always love you or something. and she gets a standing ovation and she walks off and I go hey get him next time

and then she goes what because I had to get in her fucking head Cheryl because you know what she blew me off the stage and I hate I couldn't follow her so I'm like hey tough crowd huh and she's like what? I love your honesty

I love that you're pulling it. I love it 11 years old I got to get in there and let her know what's going on man and so then I went on and she's like didn't I get a standing ovation she never sang again

Isn't that good? I'm like, I mean. So then I got up. First of all, that was embarrassing. And then I get up and then I bomb. And then I come down and I say to Ray Romano, just like comedian to comedian. I go, hey, listen, you're next. Listen, the tables are really far apart.

They can't hear you in the front. There's kids in the back. There's a bar over here. It's just, it's the worst case narrow. He gets up and kills for 20 minutes straight. And I was like, uh-huh. After I just explained why. he's going to bomb and there's absolutely

no way to do well here. He doesn't go down for anybody. Have you ever Cheryl, when I've seen you sing on this documentary, it seems like you if you have nerves, they never affect your voice. Like if you're terrified with Jagger, you don't hit a bad note, do you? In the whole

thing? I mean, that's just more mathematical, right? You don't hit a bad note. That's nice. I've bombed. I have bombed before, I promise. In fact, I can remember doing a tribute. I think it might have been, I feel like Neil Young was on it. I don't know. It was a music cares thing.

And I thought I knew the song, but I didn't know it very well. And I got up and literally could not think of a single word and sang practically the whole song, making up crap. And I remember coming off stage and John Sykes, who was the head of, the head of VH1, the head of VH1, saying something about, wow, I don't know if I've ever heard that written before. Yes. I have definitely had moments of bombing. Oh, yeah.

I've had deftifying bombs, you know. Yeah. I've done corporate work occasionally. I worked at gun show. And all these guys were eating steaks with their backs to me, and they would just take a bite and kind of look up. But, you know, they pay you so much you have to do those. Comedians are easy.

They throw you anywhere. But I'm jealous of musicians because corporate gigs can be tough. And then, but with musicians, You can sort of, even if you bomb in quotes, you just say your, you just do your song. The in between is kind of awkward because there's crickets. Yeah. But we're doing every line we're getting feedback that it's not working. It's not, yeah.

Oh, I cannot, I just can't imagine being a comedian. And I love, I love the art form. I love comedians. And Dave, I've never seen you bomb. You've always made me laugh. Oh, that's nice. But you're a sweet person. and uh no no that's the truth but i just can't imagine we did a corporate gig no no no we did a

virtual gig uh during the pandemic and i've never done one of those where you do a concert in front of like nothing yeah there's no like in between songs it's like okay you hit that big last chord and then it's just crickets it's like playing in japan you look over and there's some guy on the side just texting he's like works he's like go on do your next song i call it comedy waterboarding. I did one with Tony Robbins and he was interviewing me on the Zoom and he was so enthusiastic and he had a global audience and all these screens and I would do Tony Fauci or something and go, give it up from Dana Carvey.

And then there'd be two minutes of music and I would just be dancing in my room. No laughs. Woo! Yeah! You know, I love Tony. But I was going to ask you, so you, the one thing about. being hard on yourself and you're still around doing great stuff is that we have data now and there is something about lasting, you know, and putting out cool stuff. And it seems to me that

when you really got into the super celebrity thing, it was when you're already exploding as a superstar and then you're dating another superstar. And that's when the tabloids went 10.0, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. And, you know, I think, interestingly, enough. I had dated people before that were well-known, but there was something about that combo that was just ripe for fodder. Yeah, it was, yeah, I mean, it's like, I mean, I wouldn't put myself with J-Lo and A-Rod, like, way up there. But, you know, a combo like that is, is, it's titillating, I guess. Yeah. Well, because there was, oh, and hey, how's it going? Oh, I love Owen.

Owen's the coolest dude. I still communicate with Owen. I absolutely love him. Just, you know, and I mean, I've been really fortunate. And I don't really have anything bad to say about Lance at all. I have been really fortunate to be with the people that I've been with and I wouldn't change it, you know. Yeah, I think. But I will say one thing.

I did dream last night that I married Brad Pitt. You must know Brad pretty well. That's a good plan. I do know him pretty well. You know, I went to college with him. Oh, you did? Really? Was did the girls all love him then?

Or what was he like in college? Well, you know, it's really funny. He's a year younger than me. And I was the song or the, yeah, the song leader at his fraternity, Sigma Chi. Yes. So I went over and I would work with them with their, their, we had, I can't remember what was called Greek week or whatever. So I was like their coach or whatever. But I knew him from King.

campus running around. I knew the girl he was dating and you're always friendly. He's from Springfield where your daughter is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always friendly. And I've seen him through the years. He's a good dude. I swear he sort of takes an odd beating out there over this divorce thing that never ends. But he's, I've never seen him not be cool to people, not be nice to people. He seems like the most down to earth. He is a nice person. Big of a star as he is. He gives everybody time. I don't know how he does it and then but he keeps getting roughed up i mean that that's a divorce for you i guess i don't know the the energy around someone like brad pitt and i think part of his shyness or reclusiveness he's not really readily available and it almost like cluny was with

matt damon and brad pitt and there at some film festival in europe and cluny just said like he and damon just disappeared as soon as brad pitt showed up so this is other level of uh being a true sex symbol and a really brilliant actor is just this 10.0. Well, David, you know how that is. Beat of sex symbols. There you know. Cheryl, I'm glad you brought that up. David and the ladies have a nice arrangement.

Is a struggle. But you know, the truth is also when you're dating, like you were saying, if you date someone in the business, like you almost have to date someone like an own because like that song even says, are you strong enough? Like, first

all, the tablids don't care when you date a normal person. So it's not as big of a deal. And people think you're not even dating. They don't know what's going on. And then they only jump on it if it's someone they know and they, and like together it equals like five stars. It's like two celebrities equal five. So it's like you see these people on like reality shows. Together they make one actual star. So that's why they always date each other. Someone from The Bachelor date someone from this one. Well, the cynic kind of thinks is it isn't an arrangement, It's sort of like, hey, let's date for three months. Our profile will explode.

You two should get together for six weeks. That's why I'm going to marry Brad Pitt because I feel like that'll put me actually at at least a five. Oh, you'd be huge. No, you two guys. People couldn't deal with it. That'd be crazy. Too much talent.

I don't want to get married. I love my life. Don't want to get married. That's crazy. No, I just want to sleep around. Yeah. All right. Let's unpack the last part of our podcast.

I'm going to make sure my kids listen to this podcast. Yeah, good. Hey, you know, women should own their sexuality. They should be able to do that too. They should, but I got to be honest with you. 9 o'clock at night. Yeah. I'm like, that's like, yeah, that's R.E.m. sleep for me at 9.30.

I'm out. If the guy's ready to rally from 8.50 to 9, if it's not in that window, beat it. Yeah, I don't. I'm with you, sure. During the pandemic, I just went to bed early, got up early. it's hard for a nightclub performer when you get up at 5.30 and the show's at 10 that night

you have to wait 18 hours but yeah I like doing this. In Vegas, me and Dana did this show and I do it usually and then he covered for me once and he's like this thing's at fucking 10 dude I know I know and then we do a Q&A at the end so it's at like you get

off by midnight I go that's too late right and he's like yeah and I go what am I doing? I like 7 o'clock shows I really at this age I just like, I don't want to party. You also, I'm going to say, oh, yeah. No, I won't ask you about this, but. Ask me anything.

No, it's not that exciting. No, I'm not. I'm not. I, first of all, like that when, in the special, when you said, driven, is sort of a negative to women, but I think that it's nice in this day and age when no one really seems to want to work or work hard, that that seems like a trophy. say I was you know what I mean you wear it like a metal like I'm driven meaning I actually want to bust my ass and try really hard to get in a business where it seems like every year that goes by that that's not how it works anymore people want to be given things or people want to jump ahead a lot

easier and they don't want to work or they don't have to work and so I love watching that when people put in the hours because it is a hard job to get right and if you take it seriously whether it's stand-up or that or any sort of writing you write and do it all and you perform, that that's like something we're so proud of and it's weird when people give it to you like it's a negative. That's a hard thing to take. Yeah, I think for women, you know, the idea of an ambitious woman is such a turnoff. Like, you know, well, it's like a woman gets called like a bitch or, you know, I can remember when, uh, I mean, this goes way back, but what was the woman, oh, my gosh, who ran for president years ago?

Sarah Palin or vice president? No, no, no, this is way, way. I want to say Kaffaro, but it's not that. But anyway, there was always a discussion about her, how ambitious she was and how unlikable, you know, that kind of thing. And I don't know. I still find that is problematic when you have ambitious men and it's such an admirable trait but for a woman to be ambitious. And let's face it, you know, if you are the head of a company or if you're a politician or

a successful woman in general, you have some ambition. And that ambition is fed by hopefully the desire to be really good at something and the love of doing that something. And that, you know, that's positive. That question you were just asking, David, about people not wanting to work hard. I mean, even raising my boys, I keep having to say to them, look, if you're going to do this, you want to dedicate your energy and your time and you're blessed to have resources to be good at this thing that you love because it's not all about the end product. And it's, I don't know where we're off.

Like where, when I was growing up, everybody was middle class. There was no, you know, people weren't rich. And so I grew up idolizing all these amazing musicians and bands. And I felt like I didn't, it wasn't about being famous. It was about being great. You know what I mean? So I don't know where we're off. I guess it's really easy to be famous and it's really easy to get rich.

Yeah. So nobody really wants to, they don't equate work with becoming famous. or work with becoming rich. It just changed and it's not anyone's fault. But when you were really, when you're on television as Frank Sinatra or whoever or Stevie Nix, they were just really great. And now because of social media

and instant hits and stuff and it's very demoralizing for young people when they see, and I do a joke of a guy who opens pickles jars and is making seven figures. All right, my name's Steve. Today we're going to open some nice dills, you know? and he's making seven figures

on YouTube and monetization Yeah, he's good. Interesting enough, this comes back to you. So the corporations of the big music publishing companies are now buying artists catalogs. They obviously got Springsteen, they got this. They're not so much buying the more modern product because these anthems, these big songs, these big songs

really monetized well going generationally. You know, like your hits, you know, are just right here right now, strong enough. I mean, they're just, it makes you happy, all those. So have you been approached or have you sold your catalog? Well, I sold my catalog, not my songwriters, but I sold my catalog about three albums ago because everything was going to streaming.

And we were approached with the idea that they would start getting placement so that the songs would be heard more, but I wouldn't lose my songwriters. So I didn't get the giant chunk that like a Springsteen or a bubble, you know, Bob Dylan or whatever. What does a songwriter mean, though? What do you mean? So you get paid for the, you get paid publishing and you get paid your songwriter. So I split my songwriter with whoever I write my song with, and if I don't write it with somebody, then I take 100% of the songwriter's fee or whatever, the money that comes in. So when it goes through ASCAP or BMI or wherever it is, some of it goes to the publishing company, some of it goes to the songwriter. But it's interesting now because everything is streaming. you know, we make a penny or maybe two pennies every time a song is streamed.

So how much of a penny do you get paid for the songwriters? It's nothing. I mean, 100% of a penny is still going to be a penny, you know. So it's all, it's just ridiculous. And I don't know. I mean, I love that Bruce and Neil and all these people are making hundreds of millions of dollars, but I go, I don't know. I mean, it's sort of like Bitcoin to me.

Do you mean, like, how does the people that buy it make it back? Because it's so, is it overpaying for them? Well, I guess what they do is they sell the right to use that song in a commercial. They're out there to try to sell it to make money. And movies and stuff like that. Right. And that's why maybe the album is kind of over for now in a way. I mean, you're going to release more like just batches of songs or you release?

I'm going to release batches of songs. But I mean, that's not for everybody. For me, like I said, I'm 60. Is the new term batches of day? pancakes. You're going to do batches of songs. Like batch one. Yeah. The Promise Land. I liked in the Dana in the documentary member, I think it was toward the end where she

where she said, you came out to somewhere. Maybe it was Bonneroo. Where is Bonneroo in Tennessee or something? Yeah. Yeah. And the people weren't there yet, but by the time you went on, first of all, when you said four o'clock, I was like, I was at one of those festivals and it was like, Norm MacDonald went on at noon. I went on at set. I luckily went on before Tom Petty, which is great. But it was kind of nighttime, but there were very weird times people went on. It was like all day. But you went on, the place was packed. And then you said this whole new generation when you went to, I think if it makes you happy, which is one of your big Mongo hits, that they all knew it. And that's cool. That's the coolest thing is that it keeps going.

It's for me like someone seeing a movie or something that they, a new generation knows it. And you can't believe how would you even see it because that's something people like people don't listen to radio you go oh here's a new Cheryl Crowsong or here's an old one someone had to tell them or something and they all know all the words it's very cool I mean it's it's funny because about maybe five years ago my manager started talking about and now you're a legacy artist and I'm like oh that's like okay I've got my ARP card I'm a legacy artist that's what I'm a legacy artist I'm trying to be. But it's kind of cool.

Yeah, I mean, people's kids have grown up. I mean, like I know Bert Baccarac and I know. Yeah. Of course, obviously, I know the Rolling Stones. But I mean, I grew up with parents that played music and all this generation is growing up with parents who grew up with my music. And it is. It's a rarefied place to be. It's, you know, it's awesome.

Some high school kid today, boy or girl, is going to listen to my favorite mistake today for the first time and become I'm possessed by it, you know. I mean, I notice in your songwriting, which is kind of cool in, you know, Brandy Carlisle talked about it. You're kind of, you're doing these major chords or just this setup. And then it goes in unexpected places. I'm not a musicologist, but it seems to go minor or weird that the second parts of your songs are so explosively different.

And the setup is kind of, I don't know. I mean, how do you write a melody like that's that part for my favorite mistake? Because that's such a cool melody. weird yeah i don't know but i will say i i i'm so proud of my references like i love the beetles so much what i know guilty yeah yeah love the beetles and that documentary just uh i mean i binge watched it and then i rewatched the last episode and um it you know i i think a lot of a lot of stuff that I wind up writing is osmosis. I mean, you know, I don't know what it's like to write jokes because it seems like,

I mean, I'm sure you guys grew up with George Carlin and Richard Pryor, all the greats. And I'm sure. Same thing. Yeah. So you get a like a cadence or, you know, you do what they do for a while. And then you go, okay, now you start hopefully transitioning to who you. you are and that becomes your thing but you're still standing on the shoulders of all the the dudes that wrote the book right you're like a research paper of your favorite people then you

start turning into your own yeah this is a horrible question to ask but what people's songs kind of speak to you like off off the top of your head that you really liked okay I'll just start here there and everywhere I hear there and everywhere I mean that song is amazing and then you hear emmy Lou Harris do it and you go that song is amazing again yes I mean that's why there's songs are so great. Yesterday is one of my favorite songs. Long and Wining Road is one of my favorite songs. Love by John Lennon is one of my favorite songs. Oh, I got married to that. There's just such good stuff in there. I mean, get back. Come together. I mean, just, you know, but definitely Blackbird and yesterday to me are the two of the greatest songs ever written. When we did talk to, we got lucky

he talked to Paul. But he said, was it yesterday where he says when he goes, when he brings it in, do you bring it in and go, I got a winner? And he goes, no, you can't. You have to walk in and go, hey, I did a new one if you guys want to hear it. And then he said, Ringo said, I can't put any drums on that. And then John said, I can't put any more guitar on it. And they said, what if we put strings? And he said, no, we're rock and roll. We don't want strings on it. And I go, oh, we get a little bit of the process. Yeah, it was interesting, Cheryl. And we can cut this out of it overlaps, but we did get to talk to Paul, and we were both very nervous. I was on the road in Wyoming with my family in Montana, but anyway, he, once we started talking about

get back, he really lit up. And I asked him, did John ever thank you for your baselines? And that was like a big thing for him. And what did he say? Well, we found our way to come together and he talked about how John just had one line, here come old flat talk. which was a Chuck Berry song. He had to pay for it later. And then he kind of teased it out of him that he wrote that opener. He said to Joan,

we've got to have an opener. We can't just go right in. So that became, so, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. So I go, Paul, that's one of the best

openings of a song ever. And then later on he had said, we wrote it face to face because he comes in, even though it's so leninie, Paul comes in with Juan, a cracker, he got jujuwap also.

Paul, his comprehensive of musicality, I think, just influenced the band. His fingerprints were ever, like, because he could do the percussion. He had a four octave range, seeing all the harmonies. He could play all the keyboards and all the guitars. So anyway, interesting interview and I couldn't sleep for a week after that because I kept thinking of what I should have asked. I see. I would have just left to have been in the room. Fly on the wall. Listening to you guys interview him, because that was one of the about the documentary that may not to be like all woo-woo and stuff, but watching them in the room and the musicality of all four of those guys, like Ringo never played anything

that didn't feel exactly perfect and right. For the song, yep. For the song. Paul, I mean, everything he played was not just tasteful, but it was like, like unique and memorable. I mean, there was so much happening. His interplay, even the tension between he and George, all of, and then the combination of him and John, I know I'm going on.

I'm going somewhere. We love to talk about the Beatles. I mean, I am so, I so believe that there is an energetic component to the universe that brings that together. I mean, because there are too many. where you just go, where in the world did that come from? Or even when you write a song and you go, okay, like my favorite mistake, I felt that way after that song, I felt like, okay, I don't know where that came from.

And also, I feel like it's already been written because it feels so complete. There are moments where you go, okay, you can't define what creativity is. Yeah, you can't really define what inspiration is, but it is a real thing. And that to me is like, okay, that's just God. I mean, however you want to define that energy that is unique to you. And I watched that in that documentary, that energy that no matter what was happening between them, it all was part of the outcome. I don't know. I guess the older I get, the more I get into the idea that these things aren't accidents, you're tapping into something.

Well, Dennis Miller, who's a big beetle fan, he said it this way to me, goes carving. I can understand, you know, Led Zeppelin, okay? I get Pink Floyd or, you know, you too and all of that. But for the life of me, I can't understand the Beatles. How does that happen? And it's lightning in a bottle. What was sweet about it, Cheryl, and it'll be on the podcast, is that he still has this love of John,

and there was an, he loved that you could see them joking around with each other. even though John was taking the piss out of him a little bit. There was a bit of a competition going on because Paul had long and windy road. He was on this upswing. It had a ton of songs. And John had to bring across the universe to the album, which is insane. Mind-blowing. It's like a left.

It's a right. It's too much. I mean, the amount of hits. You could retire off that one alone. I know. If he just wrote here, there, and everywhere, he'd be a famous person. But I can see your influence in a good way, but you have your influence. but you have your own Cheryl Crow brand,

but I think you do write songs. I'm sure if you've met Paul, and I'm sure he's a fan of your music. That's pretty trippy, right? I don't know. I don't know if he is or not, but it's kind of funny. I did meet him when I was doing Fallon in the NBC building.

And it's funny because I have so many memories. I mean, certainly from doing Saturday Night Live. Oh, that's right. Being in that building and getting to meet people, you know. Three times on S&L, Cheryl Crowe. Three times on S&L. That's a hard one to do. They have so the choice of anyone at all times and to get asked back three different times.

I had to sleep with Lauren like 11 times. Oh, I've been there. What did Lauren say to you? I'm still sleeping with them. I don't know why. I don't even know. Just I'm in a habit. So you'll be doing if it makes you happy and that'll be your first song.

Maybe something we've heard of. Um, maybe. Second song you pick, dealers choice. Here's what Paul said to me. about you, Cheryl. Well, you know, I go, Paul, who do you like contemporary? Well, you know, I like Cheryl Crow, you know. She's got, she's got a good thumpur.

She's got a good, you know, bassy and goes good souls and harmonies. She's a big vocal, a big voicer. Sorry. That's fine. You didn't say that. Don't. She's freaking out. Don't say that.

I'm freaking out just going, oh, my gosh. I'm sure he loves you. I wish I would have recorded that and then posted it like he actually did say that. You know, if it makes you happy. Why are you so sad? You know, it's one of those turns John and I would do. It's like a big old course, you know, makes you happy. You think, oh, it makes you happy.

Then while you're so sad, it takes the carpet out, you know. And that one keeps it going, you know. Get you all wily, jilly. I don't know. Okay, I'll do it all day. That's incredible. That sounds, that's incredible. I do it just to be with Paul McCartney.

When you call my voicemail and just leave that on there for me so I can use it. This is full. Pull. It's not here right now. I can't do it. But, Dana. I got to tell Cheryl before we let her leave and go back to that show. She doesn't want to leave. She doesn't want to leave.

I don't. I have to tell her that when I'm looking over these songs, first of all, I like that, I'm trying to look at my favorite ones just for absolutely no reason. But if it makes you happy, I like that you work in mosquito in that one because it's hard to get into songs. Thorly and used pop word. Yeah, it's very underused. And I have to say, and this is a dumb story, but when I was with Kid Rock one of his albums came out and this we were hanging out more

and he goes I think he was up against pink when it came out I don't know why I remember this this is probably a lie but I and so he's driving you can attest to this

if you're in a car with him he's playing his album if you're in his house he's playing his album or if you're in it's anywhere he's playing a video of himself so he goes you gotta hear the new album

and I go oh and then he played the whole thing So I don't know as much about music as you or Dana. I don't know anything. Dana knows a lot. I'm just a fan. So he plays the songs and he goes, this one's the one that comes out first and then this one and this one and then this one.

And then fucking picture comes on. And I know nothing, Cheryl, and I go, that's fucking great. And I go play that one again. And he goes, it's with Cheryl. And I go, God damn, that's catchy. That is so good and she's so good in it. And he goes, well, that's going to come later. And if I'm not mistaken, the first two songs did okay and then picture blew the fuck up.

Is that possible? It exploded. It's so good. And you know what he said, which was funny, he said after you recorded it, he said, that's going to go to number one. I was like, really? Oh, that's so cool. And he's like, that's going to go to number one.

I'm telling you, it pops up my iPod all time. And it's so fucking good. And you're so great in it. And I just go, God. And I know he takes a beating out there. But he can sing, man. gets these he gets it right and that one he got right and he's got a lot of great shit out there yeah and um how did that happen he knew he had it and came to you or you had it came to him or what

happened oh no he had it in fact i didn't write nearly as much on that as he did i mean and he's he's super uh like when he's in the studio he is fearless man i mean he has listened to so much great music and can play a lot of things and um you know he he's really masterful getting his ideas down and um he knows it back and forth he knows yes he yeah he does and he's but he's also you know very savvy when it comes to what he thinks will hit and yeah you know it's funny i used to bust his balls because he goes hey i got this this guy wants me to come play his birthday party give me 50 grand to come sing i go does he give you another 50 to get off because he'd play we do karaoke at my birthday party and he goes maybe i'll get up with these guys

I'm like, maybe it's going to, within seconds. So he would sing karaoke and then that was for the next three hours. I don't know if you ever came down to, in New York. I think it was in the late 90s, maybe. We would show up once a week at Shine, which was a club downtown. And we do all covers in any given night. Oh, my God, how fun. Mike Mills, Stevie Nick sat in with us.

Keith Richards sat in with us. Anyway, Kid Rock came down. And it was the same night that Keith sat in. And he kept yelling Keith's name. Keith Richards. And Keith got really mad, like, irritating. He's like, quit saying my fucking name. And at one point, I'm just like, okay, I'm not sure how to manage.

You know, we're doing all these bad 90s covers. But, yeah, he's a lot of fun. And I will say that picture is one of the most covered. song than karaoke in the world. Oh, for sure. That is, you know, one of my claims of fame. Wow. I'm telling you it's on top of everything else you've done, and then I was looking at this

and I go, oh, that's right picture on top of all the stuff. So just had to high-five you for that one. That's so good. Got a high-five Bobby for that one. Yeah, yeah. He does, I bust his balls all the time, but he is good. Okay, you know, traveling

woolberries, wallberries. Yes. So, past and present, if you were going to make a female supergroup, who would be in there? I mean, obviously, you would put in Stevie. Stevie Nix. Obviously, I would put in Stevie Nix, most definitely. Supergroup. 10 out of 10.

Yeah. And I would ask Brandy, you know. She loves you and she's cool. Brandy is amazing and she's a great songwriter and she's just a kick-ass chick. Yeah, she's cool. God, who else? It's only three. It's like Nirvana so far.

Bonnie Raid, Emmy Lou Harris. Bonnie would be amazing. Emmy would be amazing. Linda Ronstad would be amazing. Linda Ronstad. I was going to say. Yes. I mean, young wise.

I mean, you know, the traveling wheelbaries, each one of them had a huge full body of material. Yeah. So, I mean, because there's a lot of young people out there that will be. Yeah. Who's young that you like? Oh, man. I mean, I love Mary. She's great songwriter, great performer, great singer.

I love Courtney Barnett. She's amazing. I love the high-im girls. They're great. Who else? What goes on and on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I love Florence in the machine.

She's really interesting. There's a young girl named Cassie, I want to say. Anyway, there's a lot of good young female music out there. Yeah, it's hard to break through, though. I mean, there's just so much of everything. with everything is everything now yeah it's true what's in your hand what's going on down who me yeah oh guitar picks are you going to write as soon as this podcast is over you're going to pick up one of those guitars and just go fucking crazy and write a masterpiece are you write a song

about me and dame yeah just like podcasting with the lady and joe dirt the what is it oh Did you forget on a play? What is that? I can't even hear it. On podcasting with David and paying it up. Oh, that sounded a little Patty Smith, isn't it? I liked it. That had a little punk to it.

We'll get it on TikTok right away. That's cool. Please do. Please get me on TikTok. I know. Is that something they want you to do is like try to snippet your song on TikTok? Okay, so the documentary was coming out and Showtime was really hoping that I would open a TikTok account and do TikTok.

God, is that so real? 12-year-old was like, mom, please don't. It's like, that is so cringy. I'm on TikTok and it's so gross. I'm going to join it. You know that word cringy, though? Like when you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing because you're not cool, it's crazy.

Yeah, for sure. That's right. I'm thinking of joining it, though. I don't know. You are? I don't look at any social media, but I've heard of it. No, Dana doesn't look, and he gets comments, and I have to answer for him.

because they go, hey, what is Dana think? And I go, well, Dana would probably... I don't see, look at anything, but I do, from what I understand, the New York... You should do TikTok. You would be huge. Well, thank you. Okay, I'm saying that, and I don't...

Thank you, Cheryl. You don't know anything. I don't know anything. Thank you, Cheryl, bro. Well, I was reading that... That's based on nothing. New York Times had a 20-page article on what is TikTok. So, essentially, I got the idea that rhythmic musicality is shared.

Like, you make something, like if I did jump-buck-buck-a-lead, then other people take... it and go with it. So I don't know. If it is about audio musicality catchphrasing. Chopping broccoli could work. She chopped.

Cheryl knows what it is. Chop. I do. I do. Chopin broccoli. Yeah, I've said that in my kitchen to my boys. And they look at me like, what?

We got to get your boys up to speed, man. My kids don't like me. I know. I try to turn them on to all the good stuff. They don't think I'm funny. They just show me Drake. You got to make them watch Joe Dirt and Benchwormers. Oh, they're going to watch Joe Dirt for sure.

And they need to know who the church lady is, for sure. And Wayne's World, they usually are okay with that. And Wayne's World, they need to know, yes, they will, they will. Get them up to speed. And then next time we go to down there, we'll make Cheryl come out to the show. Hey, would y'all please let me know if you ever come to Nashville? I'm your buddy. I know, but I didn't really know for sure.

I love Nashville. We think about moving there all the time. It's cool. Just don't come here and buy a house. Oh, California. Come on out to take over. Californians making the prices go up, that kind of thing, interlopers. Oh, my gosh.

You have no idea. Montana. I'm from Montana. It's all going on up there. All the billionaires are coming in. I'll take five of those. There's a great comedian, Theo Vaughn, one of my good buddies, lives out there. So when I go see him, I'll play the Ryman, and then I'll make you come down.

How many seats is the Ryman? I want to go in there and rock that place. How much is a $20,300? I think I play it once. Yeah, it's 20 somewhere around in there. I did play it once. It used to be grand, was it the grand old opera or am I being stupid? It was the grand old opera.

And before that, it was a church way, way early. Before that, it was a Waterburger? Well, I played it. I played it and I came off stage and Cheryl happened to be there. And she goes, that was good. I'm kidding. That was so, you really went out there, didn't you? She goes, oh, they're a little tight.

Why do we have all this self-loathing? What the fuck is going on? I wanted to say, Dana, when you get up, when Cheryl gets off, I'm going to go, fuck that crowd. I'm going to get in the fetal position. And you go, wait, I thought I did good. I thought they liked me. No, they were tough.

No, that was a hard crowd, man. No, we'll get them. We'll get them. I'm going to get in the fetal position and cry myself to sleep with questions I should have done better. Oh, no, you are. Hey, this was the best podcast I've ever done, ever. Thank you. All were the best.

We love you. You know, she's really good on the podcast. She's going to be straightforward You don't have to play any games I do Paul now I actually write songs as Paul Okay wait When you interview Paul

Did you do Paul Oh yeah did you do it Did I did it a little bit I was a little I couldn't You know I was trying I didn't want to piss him off But I probably did a little bit Paralysis

Yeah I was like I'm Dana's Yoko I mean there's just so many things You're scared to say to him Because he seems very light on his feet but he's too respected you can't risk it yeah he's a sir right yeah he's too it's too big a deal

we didn't go there with a sir at first I read a lot of liver puddling phrases so I said did you have your brecky you're brecky but he was just waking up he had a cup of coffee I don't think he knew what I was taught because that's breakfast in liver puddleian language a scousa

you know we had a good time this is him now you know we did some things we tried He got into it. He got into it toward the end. We loved it, but yeah, we were getting stuff for me, Cheryl. It was just electrifying. And he wanted to talk about the Beatles the whole time.

Oh, my God. But I didn't know that in the beginning. You hear it. From the guy. All right. So anyway. All right. Let her go back to.

Cheryl, everybody loves you. You're a great artist. I don't like, you know, legacy. What's that? And, you know, you're in Nashville. You're like a teenager. Yeah. You know, look at, really?

National teenager is 60. Country music does not have an age. That's what's brilliant about it. No, it's true. It does not. You do pop rock, jazz. You do every style, but you also can do country. I have to say, I feel like I'm in my 20s.

You look like you're in your 20s. Because as far as your listening audience knows, I look like I'm in my 20s. There, I said it. You look great. Your voice is still raspy and sexy. and then your singing is still perfect. Because I'm still smoking like a feigned. You're, you stayed really fit.

Even when you were touring, I was going to ask how you stayed so fit throughout your career. Because using a tour a lot, I mean, I have to, I have to admit, it is genetic. What? Yes, it's genetic.

I'm from a long line of, you're kind of wiry and fit. Small, petite, wiry people. So you don't gain weight. You just kind of, And you work out on stage when you're out there. I work out on stage, and I'm very, I mean, I get up in the morning and I do not sit down. I mean, I'm always doing.

Her backstage rider is five triscuits and a slim gym. And that's all I get all day. That's it. And one five-hour energy. Actually, that's mine. All right, Cheryl, let's let her go, Dana. She's been too nice. We love this.

Thank you. Bye, Cheryl. It's good to see y'all. We'll see you soon, I'm sure, in Nashville. I hope so. Call me when you come to Nashville. Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app. Give us a review, five-star rating, and maybe you can share an episode that you've loved with a friend.

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