Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - RE-RELEASE - Zach Galifianakis

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

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Always makes me laugh. Fun to just talk to him. We'll always try to watch him if I hear he's going on somewhere, stay in the room and watch. And so we happen to have him live at Largo. with a packed house yeah and Largo's right up his alley and what a fun dude I love that he did it we we always crack up um three of us together was really fun for me and Largo's a good spot for it so I just remembered that being like a really really nice time yeah it was a hot crowd you know it's a very hot theater you know someone the other day said I don't know if I like

your podcast I go if you heard the Zach Gallifinex episode and they got no they were they were like you had him on your show yep they go if you had anyone I've heard of and we're like who have we not and they're like what and I go I don't know and then they're like huh and then they're like then they're like but we have these things in our quiver these tasty gems from our past if you we don't expect everyone to remember to listen to every gauldang episode, so we're throwing you some of the hits. One of our faves in the business and one of the faves of our podcast guests. Zach Gallifanak.

Hey. Yeah, you go there. It started. It's already almost over. Okay. Oh, you see, great song. I thought it was good, you know. I did an impression

within the first 20 seconds. Damn, this chair, look at our chair differential. What the fuck? I'm like a Muppet. You're like 6-2 in that thing. I'm going to get up front, be like this. What's up, Zach? What?

Sorry. Is Zach here yet? I got up at 6. That's it. We're warning them. It's going to be bad. I'm punchy. I'm over-tired. I'm like a baby. I'm overtired. Let's bring him out. Yeah, that's the beginning. All right, Zach. Welcome, Zach Galvanakis.

Jack Galvanakis. Sure. It was a little louder for Zach if anyone's counting. All right. Okay, Zach Galaphanakis. Zach's, Zach Alfa, nauseous. you're just saying i'm just going to say it you're something else man yeah something else you're something else you look like wolverine right now with that hair oh really i'm sorry

cool actually have cool hair which plugs are coming in nice yeah a lot of pluck work a lot of plug work new crops coming in um so how you doing is that it i'm doing a half mile away from you i'm doing well david why is that chair that way this one i don't know it's uh for orthopedic issue Oh, okay. He likes to be... Seems erect. No, I don't know. This is good.

Okay. Anyway, we don't have to talk about it. No, it's all right. Zach, enough of this bullshit. So, Zach, can we butter you up a little bit? Yeah, let's butter him up. Okay. How the fuck did you come up with the two ferns thing?

Because that's too crazy. Some of you remember... Coming hot right out of the box. Because that thing is, I saw every episode today. Oh. Today? Well, they're very... Well, I've seen them before, but I'm almost 80.

I have to refresh my memory. This is an illusion. It's a lot of blood and gut and sweats and tape. So when did you come up with that? It was part of a pilot that they were doing, and this guy, Scott Ackerman, was producing it. And he asked me to do. Come on off, Scott.

But he just said, would you do something? And I just said, for some reason, I had this thought. I just said, can you get me two ferns and some kind of celebrity? And I had worked at a cable access show or station. I interned one in college. and so I kind of like that world that kind of low-end, desperate

tried a way to communicate. I actually had a tape to class at a cable access show about how to how to waltz and I got my two friends you know back when you could do this stuff you can't do it anymore. And we just put him in gowns.

And it was a very straight video and dance lessons on cable access on how to waltz with not trying to be funny. So that kind of weird world I knew, Scott Ackerman asked Michael Sarah to be in the first one. And we just kind of made it weird and creepy. And I always thought celebrity interviews are. what do you mean ridiculous no they are he's talking like

he's talking like access hollywoods oh okay I got it's a little yeah yeah it's I mean it's just such a bizarre but let me ask you the question about this so the guest comes in and I understand for my research

today that you didn't really prep it with them did they have cue cards or they don't even know what's coming and then you guys just go right at it or do they kind of know where you're going? No, nobody really knows what's going on.

I mean, even us. I mean, we have written things down and I think the idea is they don't need to be funny. They just need to kind of answer questions. And I think the awkwardness kind of fills in the rest of it And then often part of it is improvved. And we just kind of, or I'll give them a something to say back at me that's very mean.

So it's kind of a very give and take. It's not a prank. I don't want to prank people. Because I'm sure people, because, you know, the publicist in this world are very hawkish. And they don't want you to do anything where you're going to look stupid. So you take the Michael Sarah one maybe and they either see that because that probably goes up on funnier to I maybe back then pretty quickly. and then that catches on so they go

someone might even call you and say hey I'd like to be on this because it's my type of humor and the people you have on obviously are funny and they're huge stars and when they go along with it makes them look better it's all good it's sort of when you're on S&L and you go with it like they if you let them make fun of you

and goof around it seems to be funnier yeah I mean there's that that is all true I mean but there's been some times when I've go sideways a little bit that's what I can ask you that I don't really I don't know if I've even I don't know if I've even spoke about it

but there's been I don't I don't even know if I have but there's been a couple of instances and I don't mean to bring people up but the name of this show is name names the reason the reason I bring it up because I was just talking about it

to somebody day at lunch for some reason and so I interviewed they brought it up and at lunch today and they interviewed I mean I interviewed Jennifer Aniston Yeah You know

You know from smart water We all Jennifer if you're listening I only know her because of smart water Right What about her shampoo commercials She's got one from there We want you to be on Jennifer

I mean I don't I guess I mean So did you say something to her you thought it crossed the line No In the wings, I had a Brad Pitt look-alike. And so I wanted to tell her about it before, you know, we started filming, so I kind of ask her if I could have a word with her, you know, like a vice principal. Someone who looks like Brad Pitt might be expensive.

Well, no, I wasn't. How many people look like? Yeah, but that's how I meant, David. I'm scale minus 10. So you pull her aside and you say, is it okay? We try this or do you even get to it? And I said, I have a Brad Pitt lookalike here. And as soon as I said it, I read her face.

Yeah. And it was her, I felt so bad. And I don't even know anything about that thing. I mean, I know that was in the things, but in the papers. But so I don't know much about it. But so, of course, I called it off. So I went up to the Brad Pitt look alike. to tell him we don't need him.

He's wrapped. Yes. And as a joke, I kind of went, well, I said, listen, we don't need you. Thanks for coming. And as a joke, I said, do you happen to look like anyone else? And without pausing, he goes,

Colin Farrell. So, yeah, there's those little. Don't get rid of me yet. I'm a chameleon. Oh, it's a little. And Jennifer is very funny. she's a very funny girl I think that might be

you know they come on there to be fun he says he's reading the papers you're calling her a girl it's 2023 guys is she funny I mean is she a girl yeah she's great she'd be a woman I guess you go on my boy

I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry I see girl a lot but she is very fun person I think when they go on they kind of know what they're getting into and then it probably goes a hair farther

than they think and uh yeah I mean I think the idea is to try to rattle them as as much as you can read people and push it. There's been a couple of times that... Yeah, I was going to ask about that.

What? Well, has there been times where, like, would you do one with Mike Tyson? I... Uh, I, uh... Uh, I, uh... Well, I don't really do them anymore. Okay, all right.

Sean Penn's scary enough. But you're a fan of Don Rickles, right? Because you did that show. So Don Rickles, To me, as a kid growing up, was the funniest guy on television. The reason is because everyone loved him. He'd put you down and then he'd go, the show started, put it in the corner, give him a cookie. He doesn't know.

It was so dry and so bizarre. There were no jokes. Do you feel like that was an influence for the character, the Fern Guy character, to ride that line? Because it's funny because you're going right at some sort of truth about them. And if they have a sense of humor about it or a perception of them, they laugh really, hard. Right. I mean, part of it, I mean, if you're to really break it down, I guess, is that they are there are public figures that people kind of want to unfortunately jab at anyway. There's some of that to it. And I think in the end of the day, I think it's the media and all the thing.

People are human. We're all, you know, obviously. And I think people that are willing to make fun of themselves, I think that's a real nice attribute to someone. Even if it's staged a bit, I think being able to laugh at yourself in that kind of way is a nice thing. No, I've been asked to do them with other people, presidents of companies, and, you know, big Pepsi has asked to sponsor it and, you know, to get blown out of proportion. and I've always just wanted to keep it free online and keep it clear of those other things that get in the way sometimes. The monetization people would come in and go, we've monetized it a bit, but only just only in a way that we see fit.

I mean, we've been asked to, I got asked to do a Super Bowl commercial using it. And did you, it's coming out next week. I can't remember. They got a really good deal. I did a puppy bowl commercial earlier. I'm for sale. Church lady is locked and loaded for a super. Go deep.

By the way, first of all, I'm ready. I'm going to sell out in a second. I've done, Dana and I both obviously sellout kings here. We've done. Well, we all are. We do corporate gigs. And when you do them, they go, our CEO,

do say something about it. By the guy, I don't even know what the guy, works there he's like when you get up there say he's got three balls he beats his wife do something about that just throw it in there mix it up throw it in the middle and uh and then you go and then you do it and everyone goes what and you go this guy work with you i he just told me so they try to do that and that's kind of what they want to do to see you like roast them or something and you go it's not even funny it'll probably bomb drunk and i i was playing earthwind and fire were supposed i was opening for them the CEO got drunk i was the CEO got drunk it went on for like two hours

So I was going to pay it a lot of money They go, you can only do 15 minutes But I went over a little bit And I guess earth and wind came out But fire wouldn't That was a long way for that joke That's a good joke I don't mind it

Did you really open for them? I did open for them I open for a lot of people Tower Power, Todd Rungren You know Robert Palmer Really? I bombed every fucking time

Yeah Jesus Christ Your hero will be on in a second Before first, Dana Galarfo They must have ruined your name when you first started doing standout. Everybody, I mean... How would they say it? Well, they just tried to make it sound

somewhat ethnic. And they're like... Give it up for Baclavar Rodriguez. But in high school, I was Zach Gala Faggot-Nackus. Which is... That hurts. I was dating a car schools.

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And then it was Natalie Portman, who I love. And so I was, of course, in a jealous rage immediately. And then you were saying, some of you had great jokes in that I won't repeat. him because I'm not good at that but but you said so many jokes and it was so and for her to play along and I thought it was real for a while and then I go Jesus this is so weird and then it took me a while to figure it out too long and then so I started going oh this is great and then when you would do them you obviously didn't overdo it you didn't do too many they weren't super

long it was just a great great bit that lives out there on the internet which everyone should see I don't know where I'm going with this day and a jump in Would you like to say anything in your defense, Zach? Well, I mean, speaking of that one, we shot it. That one we shot in a garage. And I think we shot that one in a garage. Right around here, right in Hollywood somewhere. And the thing about that one is, there's a line in it, not to be vulgar, but it's something about, did you shave your,

Okay. You said... Can we hear it? She was in V for Vendetta. Yeah, and then there's a punchline. Did you shave your V for a vagina? Yes. That one caught me off guard.

To Natalie Portman, in a garage. Yes. In a garage. In a garage with loose tools about. By the way, I barely understand that joke. Like, I know. I think I saw that movie. I don't know.

There sounds funny. But the fact that... I think it's the fact that I'm asking it. Yes. So anyway, if I remember correctly she was quite good with the whole thing and then

we sent it to her just to you know show it to her and I had asked that joke to be left out of it I said can you edit that out we'll send it to her and her note was where's that vagina joke

oh I love her I don't know if that was the exact note Where is the vagina joke? Something like that. Yeah. By the way, there's a dog in that day. She just went up on the hip meter.

Yeah, she's unreal. But there's a dog that you keep cutting to, which is even funnier. Yeah, I think that was a real dog. The dog rolls over his back and then when something dies or it just sits there, then they cut over the dog. All right. It all works. And then I, uh, Sean Penn won. Sean looked very cool in that one.

Huh. Yeah, I'd be scared of that one. And then, uh, anyway. Sean Penn can, yeah, I had a fight with him. I was in a dress. at the time but you know he said hit me harder he said you can hit me harder

yeah there's no problem I hit him I would like to one day talk to him about the one we did because they bring it up because it was it was an interesting it was an interesting day well was was he truly upset or was he was very quiet

he was very quiet he's a good actor so he can or he's a good actor um um and uh I I think he

may have been ready to deck me in real life. I don't know. Maybe he was doing a method thing and I I don't, so he's tricky. He held it so serious that you weren't sure if he was serious. He might have been kidding. Yeah. And and I have worked with him

I mean, I'm not that I know him but you know, he has a good sense of humor. He really does. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yes. Huge laugher and it loves to go see stand up. But in that moment

it was I remember why that was odd was it something you was it a line that you gave you said something

wasn't you weren't you playing your brother or something in that I was playing this overly over the

well it's not really overtop there are people like this in the south um uh really

into him for the wrong reasons type person okay and how does that guy talk well it's based

on a character I used to do um in high school called the, I think his name was of the effeminate racist. And, uh, I remember that Skittles,

yeah, but so that's a great. So it's just a guy that talks like the, yes. And so friends of mine that were black in high school would bump me in the hallway, so I would, this character would be released. And I would say to them, My mom told me not to talk to black people. And they would go crazy.

Would die laughing because they understood at the time that I was mocking it all. You know, so that's where that came from. That was as simple as that. Well, there was something, Dana, where he goes, Sean, and he's doing this, and he's sort of prodding. He goes, did you get into, I'd get into Hollywood just so you could go to all the parties and all the wrong reasons that Sean wouldn't want. Sean is very funny unlike his persona out there and so I like these going along with it

but he was so serious then he goes I could walk over there and knock you the fuck out right now and even I was like God damn he gave that a good reading I think he knew it was funny and interesting I think he was playing I don't think he was offended I'd like to ask him we haven't spoken since

I his kids and my kids went to school together or at least played sports together They're up in Northern California, so I'll talk to Sean. Yeah, ask them. Ask them. Can you fix it? Hey, man.

I want to smoke. If you could smoke and not get diseases, I would definitely be smoking right now. There's nothing cooler, right? It's like, tell us some more, Zach. Anyway, can we go back to you as a young person then? Like, you strike me as like an introverted extrovert. Like, you're shy in a way. I think we are maybe.

I think I am, but yeah. Well, anyway, it doesn't matter. Anyway, but then you have this powerhouse thing that comes out, like in high school. Did you go theater group or are you just funny with friends or what were you like in grade school high school? Just walking around. Just walking around. Just walking around. I mean, you know, I think I was somewhat quiet, but I think, I mean, humor in my family was seen in very high regard.

uh so my cousins and my brother my my my family is funny you know i kind of watched them even as the quiet person i thought i was or i think i was so i was kind of this more kind of observant kid uh that thought maybe one day i could through my observations maybe make a a thing out of it and you were thinking that like at age eight 10 12 i mean But young, young, you got the idea of maybe you would do this for a little. This is going to sound weird, but it was at my parents' conception of me.

Doesn't sound weird at all. It doesn't sound weird, right? My brother, Brad, I got three older brothers. He swears he remembers being born, and he's serious. Really? Yeah, he has a photographic memory. He just remembers being born, yeah.

I'm not kidding, Brad. The guy I based Garthon. But being funny, younger really pays off. And I think that's for all of us, like at dinner or at school like I was at a school that was a little bit of a pipsqueak hard to believe and always bullied

and push around but if you could I would quietly say jokes to my friends or under my breath but that kind of if you get a little something that's all I had I wasn't super athletic I wasn't this so if you have some little hook like that you go ooh my dad thought it was funny you know people think it's funny and then you go

and then you try to maybe that's kind of like that for a lot of comedians well the tall guys didn't have to do anything to get the girl We, on a bio-evolutionary level, we had to be funny. Zach, you're not that short. I'm around 6-2. That's a gigantic chair. It's an optical illusion.

Same with me. I look like I'm a foot shorter than you. Look at this. Can you want to switch places? No. Okay. I like it up here. So, Zach, so you're, did you take theater?

Did you go into that kind of stuff? Or you're just like? No, I just was not, I never did, I did public speaking competitions. I did that once. How's that competition? Just say a lot. It sounds good. Well, my mom wrote the speech, and it was called You and I and Tomorrow. Seriously?

Yeah, that was the name of it. Really? Was it a public service? It was, I don't remember how, you and I? We should do a remake. Yeah, there was a speech contest in North Carolina locally, and then you could go to the state finals, and my brother and I were kind of into it.

But never really, no theater, none of that. My mom tried to get me to go to the School of the Arts in North Carolina. She did urge me to go there. She knew that I had, I mean, she knew that I was eager to figure it out. What was this? School of the Arts. School of the Arts is a really, a really good school. in Winston-Salem.

So she really, she was your champion. Place she bought into it. Oh, my mom was, my mom would be like, he's quiet, but I swear he's funny. Like I would hear her say that to my aunts and stuff. And did she want you to play piano? When did you learn to play piano? Oh, right.

So I learned piano. I don't know how to play piano. Whoa. That's that, I don't know how to read music. So I don't know why I was getting ready to tell you. Well, I learned piano. I don't know piano. You seem pretty good to me.

Well, I can fake it. But for some reason, only sad music comes out of me. And it goes well with the jokes. You know, didn't you do a VH1 show? And I think you, why do I think there's a piano at the beginning of that? I did. I had a talk show in VH1 years ago. And there was the piano was involved during the monologue.

And I think that's why I had the show because I was like a musical act at the time. a variety where you could because you're not you didn't want to just interview like johnny carson like normal straight interviews i'm sure right i was just trying to figure out the format had been beaten to death and and i just was trying to figure out like how can i do something different but interesting and sometimes funny uh funny was kind of last but we on that show we would have we would have it make it look like no one wanted to come to the show so we

would have one person in the studio audience but we would have a laugh track of a six year old so it was very bizarre it was really a weird show can we find this somewhere I know most of those episodes are in my attic

can we find a six year old it's I don't think they're online I don't know if they are I remember, what was it called? Do you remember? It was called 60 Minutes. Nope. It was called Late World.

Late World? Yeah. And how old are you when you do Late World? Uh, God, uh, 30, 30, 30. You don't think. So how long had you been? I don't know how old I was. I was 35, maybe.

I need numbers. How long did you do stand up in clubs before you got that show? Oh, I was still doing. and then that show failed and I went back to do it in open mics. So I had a talk show on VH1 and as soon as it ended, I was like, well, back to the old

so I just went back to the coffee houses. And you weren't really making a living then it stand up or just a little bit. There was a time where I could go on the road and, you know, do make a living. And I was making a living for a while on the road, yeah. And you had an hour? I had an hour of

sometimes the material was a little bit too bizarre sometimes and I there was some alienation I mean it was funny when you were telling me about I opened for this sugar hill gang once and I said a hip hop hippie

and I remember getting kicked off stage because I made fun of the Bible and I didn't realize I was performing at a Bible school and this is how they kicked me on the woman just came up to the stage she goes so yeah those I mean yeah all those shows all those terrible shows did you have a southern accent when you were and you got rid of it

or did you actually have a little bit of a no I mean I'm going home in a couple days and I don't just go back it just it turns back on it's just as a it's an easier way to it's North Carolinian I mean what is that well not Mississippi it's no it's like Appalachia North Carolina Appalachia and a lot of people speak through their nose there and it's like

Hey, how are you? But if you go east in North Carolina it's very breathy and it's really beautiful and it sounds nice but so there's all kinds of different accents

that I, you must pay attention what did you think of Daniel Craig's accent and knives out? Well, I thought it was kind of cool but I always find Hollywood always does

the gong with the wind I declare I have never seen such a You know. Well, I think we are, we have a occasion. Yeah. We got a moot.

I think we got a moot occasion. It's a little foghorn, yeah. But I thought, I thought it was great. I mean, he's pretty, he's a cool. It just has to be funny or sound weird. Yeah, yeah. It's entertaining. But you, you can go through all the southern accents.

I'm pretty, I'm pretty good with knowing where in the South someone might be from. I'm pretty good at it. Okay. I did a movie. I top like this. Where am I from? You don't seem to know where I'm from. You don't know.

He doesn't know. You don't know where I'm from, boy. I had a friend, I have a friend from Mississippi. He kind of talks like this. I'm from Columbia Falls, Mississippi. Sounds just like Gomer Powell. That's right. Grew up, and he was a real sincere feller.

These snaky fellas trying to get your money, Dana. These are direct quotes. He'll be thrilled he got laughs. But, Dana, I did a movie where I was playing. They go, you're going to play. play New Hampshire accent. So, first of all. Okay, that's a tough one.

I feel, I smell an Oscar immediately. So I say, I'll go, they go, go to a dialect coach. So I go to a dialect coach, I'm like doing it, and they go, that's a little more Boston. I took two lessons, right? For the whole movie. And I'm like, listen, guy. And they're like, that's more.

And I go, I pulled her aside. I go, here's a deal. My audience is four to eight year olds. I just have to sound funny all right they're not gonna go in there with a microscope they go oh he sounds

if I just don't sound like Joe dirt in one movie they'll be happy all right they'll go oh that one's different so it was a kid's movie and they're trying to get you to New Hampshire they're not supposed to be kids movies they turn into it

because that's because you're the star of it yeah because all my movies aren't TBS because it's the grownups channel and it's just a rotation of every movie I could have helped you do you remember those Petri

Farm commercials? Petridge Farm. Petridge Farm, flaky and delicious. That's the only way I could do, New Hampshire. Is that that New Hampshire? Isn't it or? Didn't recognize it. Petridge Farm coming different blueberry, strawberry

flavors. That's the expert over here. I don't know. Let's take a tour of the South again. Zach, I'm playing. Miami, what do they sound like? I'm playing Durham. Durham.

Is that a city? That's a city. That's where Duke University is. And I'm excited of playing that, but any trouble? Should I worry about? That's where my dad's from. That's where he's... I don't have any comps left, but...

Normally, it would be easy. I get him. No, I'm excited to go there. It's a good city. I never play down. I love the South. Yeah, I did you. I miss that.

I was going to ask Zach something else. Oh, you were in the... How far did you get in the Scouts? I heard you were in the Scouts. I was an Eagle Scout. Is that the complimentary molestation? Where's my notes? Where do my notes go?

Oh, here there. Hey there. I'm kidding, Zach. We're taking that out. No, no, that's fine. We're taking that out. Or we're putting on a loop for promotion. Zach's like, if that was actually written down, I'm walking out of here.

Oh, well, let's ask him about... What do you want to ask him? I want to... Well, we can talk about the hangover for a bit. You were in the hangover. This is like, this is like the theater show. Well, hangover was like a... You were in the hangover, and then everyone applauds.

That... calls... Applaud! God damn. They don't know. They don't know. Hangover of the last 20 years, the two that got me the hardest

as comedies, because I don't really... I see all the strings. Hangover, Tropic Thunder. Those are two that caught me flat-footed. And you were in... Which one?

I was in... Sorry. I was in the... Hang-out. So you go from... Comedians, comedian. People know you. You're going along.

You've done a special. live purple onion stand-up special and then Todd Phillips calls and you go on what happens next are you the first choice for that or do you know

do you remember it's a real question I mean listen I've been a fallout on every movie I've ever done oh my God I don't know that's not a mean question

that's just like sometimes the movies come together and they go we got this one would be a good accent obviously Zach's great it's a funny part to play and they let you do it seems like Todd

who seems like a really funny cool guy let you do what you do and well I think he I think he was doing I think he was going to stand-up clubs I think that's what he had told me and then that's where he knew me from because I don't know if I'd done much

otherwise to be seen on screen but so he asked me an audition I think I was living in Canada and I just I'm in terrible I just don't like to audition.

I'm, it's, I'm, I've always been bad at it. I, I usually make, I usually get, I mean, I was just, I have so many stories about, we all do, but, um. Could you tell us one of a really, well, people I want to hear, I mean, I don't want to, but there's just so many, you know, I just was so, you know, I just was so not into the process of it. I mean, the first time I ever got a laugh in a, an audition was when I first auditioned for a drama. And they were laughing at me. Sometimes the problem is if you're a comedian, you read things, and it feels sort of stiff because you're a bit quirky or charactery.

And so when you're reading super flat lines that are just written for a generic comedy, they'll tweak them later if it's him or somebody. but as is it's it's sometimes for your personality maybe it doesn't it's not hilarious when you do it because it's so basic but if you brought your stuff to it then it's funny so maybe he saw if you could bring your weirdness to it then it's great well i think also at that time i was a bit older and i think i was kind of uh not to be cavalier about it but i think my attitude was well this is probably going to end soon meaning this pursuit of whatever this is I don't really care as much because I'll just kind of try to exit without caring if that makes any sense

So you were that You get the hangover, you're thinking This is pretty much a mic drop I'm out of here No meaning I'm not going to get this I'm not going to get this job I will just

I think my mindset then was You know I tried doing show business You know at that time I mean you kind of beat yourself up sometimes And I didn't really know what I was doing and I mean who does but but anyway I flew down from Canada in audition and I think I remember leaving getting into my stretch Hummer so you were doing well and telling Sugar Ray to

scoot over oh god I laughed but I did a pilot with him 20 years ago um But then I got the job and, you know, then you do the, the, you show up for work and you start acting in it and you, I remember going to dinner with the other actors with Bradley and, uh, I forget the other names. Ed Helms? No, it's only Bradley. Who gives a shit about the other guys?

Bradley Cooper. Bradley and Ed and I think Ken and, and, um, we were all at dinner. And I said to them, this movie seems good I've never had this feeling before so I I felt there was a real kind of energy

on set there that was you know sometimes that happens and it's not it doesn't translate to the screen there's great energy on set and everybody's like what this is and but that one Todd is a very good editor and a really good director that knows how to steer that stuff

Sure. You sort of need all the components and you can lose it anywhere along the way. But if you do it and you're doing like maybe you're doing extra takes where you're just trying different jokes and screwing around, plus we all remember the hangover wasn't a huge movie and it was probably not a big budget and no one, you're not going into it going, oh, I just got the Avengers. It's like, oh, I just got a comedy. It could go away. It could be nothing. But it turns it blows up obviously into a huge thing. So it would be probably even scarier to audition for something if you know it's that big. People that are auditioning for the sequel are like,

holy shit, this is a huge movie. Yeah, I had to audition for the sequel. You did? That's not. I had to see Hollywood. That's shameful. You're going to read with Brad Cooper in this. You were so good in the first one.

That's great. I had this guy come up to me once and he goes, Hey, are you an actor? I go, yeah. He goes, are you the guy from Hangover 2? I don't even know how I answer I think I just walked away I didn't know what this

Where's the baby now You still stay in touch? They did like Todd He had a baby That sounds like Brody Brody Oh my God Brody Stevens is a great comedian

Zach's very good friends I was friends with He toured me for a while at the very end and passed away. And God, I was just thinking today because, you know, I knew you were close with Brody. And so I was clicking from your stuff because I don't, honestly, I don't

know who you are. And I was clicking from you and then I'm jumping over to Brody's shit trying to remember all his jokes. And I just saw a clip of him. Classic Brody, not bombing, but getting so mad at the crowd. And it's like, we didn't do anything. They're just not laughing that much. And he's

going, arms cross-negative. And he was doing all his jokes. I date, I'm dating a girl from Greece, the movie, she's 75. You know, you know how many, I was trying to think of all these jokes he has, Dana. I don't know if you knew them, and everyone, we'd stand in the back and laugh. That talk show at Vichueno was talking about earlier, he was the warm-up guy. And I would like peek behind the curtain to see what was going on. And Brody just would be going, Whopper or Big Mac, you make the call.

That's actually probably pretty good. good. I mean, for a warm-up guy, just energy, right? You know what? He did it on our lights-out show, and I'd peek my head at the same thing, and they go,

hey, something's going on up there, and he's guys, you're negative, you're negative, you don't deserve David Spade. He was in Police Academy 4. He's from Michigan, and he's not coming out

until I give the green light. And I'm going, what is why is he yelling at the crowd? The crowd is like nine people, you know. But he had so many, God damn fucking one of my favorite moments with him god as it's early on and we were hanging out we were my apartment in Santa Monica and Margaret Cho was on television and we're just watching in silence

I don't mean it like that but we're just watching it and after a couple minutes brodie just yells at the TV not trying to be funny she had a sitcom why come me don't have one Why come me? Why come me don't have one? He answered his own question. He goes, I'm doing pretty well in show business. I'm finally able to take my mom out to lunch and pay for half. Is that it?

I'm a professional mangler. One more. I had not a member of the Mile High Club, but I did masturbate on the Ferris wheel. the Pomona County Fair. So many jokes. He was so funny. But I'm saying him because he was in,

I think you put him in one or two things, because he goes, you know me, I'm the guy from Hangover, Hangover to Do Date, cut out of funny people. Yes. Yeah. He, yeah, I think, well, Todd,

Todd saw Brody, Todd Phillips saw Brody while I was doing shows at the old Largo. So that's why Brody's, in those movies. I didn't have anything to do with it. If I had something to do with it, he wouldn't have been in any of them. Todd's got a good eye, though.

Yeah. But I miss him so much. I was missing him so much. David, I may have told you this the other day, but there wasn't a podcast, so I'll say it again. But I was missing this guy we're talking about Brody,

and he was known for alienating audiences. That was one of the reason I think comics like to him. Proversely is we would all rush out to see him turn audiences away. We had a few of those in San Francisco.

And he's bombing in Montreal who used to have this baseball team and blah blah blah. And Brody just looks out at the audience while he's bombing and he yells out no wonder the expo's left. He was a pitcher at ASU, I think, and he goes, I threw 88 with movement.

He would say that in the middle of his act, too. A very funny guy. I don't, I want to read all his jokes. So Hangover worked out for you. Is that the end of that story? Yeah. Did you, when you, so this is the first time you're getting actual extra, extra money.

Did you buy a roperoyce or anything? I mean, what did you, did you do anything with, what was that like when you first had extra extra extra money? Yeah. I bought four elephants. smart no I mean I bought I bought a place

I bought a place in North Carolina a farm I'm not a farm but a place to try to be a farm nickel but I don't live there anymore but yeah I got that and then I

you went home and bought them all just to show off I don't remember I got a lot of fur coats for all my aunts Did you Everybody gets a frockoos Did you?

Did you You like to farm, right? Oh, I mean my fantasy is to be a farmer one day But I look, that's hard work It's for some entertainment guy to say that It's kind of But that's what I feel like

Not farm it's more gardening, to be honest. Okay. But I have a tractor. It sounds bigger, yeah. I have a tractor. Do you drive it around? No, Dana.

It's for my Insta. I like to work with my hands. I masturbate. Ladies and gentlemen, I, um... You got it. That's Brody again. Oh, yeah, he goes. I did, uh, I have,

I've been doing porn. I do a one-man scene on a yoga mat in Chatsworth. I don't know. Let's talk about baskets. Baskets was a great show. I don't have to tell this crowd. You don't have to tell this crowd, Jack. They know.

Baskets. Mm-hmm. That's it. You only do cool stuff, it seems to me. I've done a lot of shit. You do a lot of cool stuff. You do cool stuff. It seems like you do it on your own term.

they let you do your thing which isn't always the case with everyone and it's sort of the dream for any comedian like let me just do my own thing like curb is always an example of like that would be fun to do something like that where you could just do your own thing and it's very very hard to do those things i mean people look at it and go that's such a great show or baskets but to write it cast it well make it make sense it all that stuff is exhausting yeah i mean there's a lot of thought that goes into it and sometimes you get um lucky and most of the time you get unlucky and most of the time you get unlucky but sometimes you get lucky with

things kind of come to place I mean I think that show if I could bore you with it a bit is a we were just trying to be I had not seen regular people on television portrayed without

I just wanted to ground a comedy so it should be emotional with not this I wanted to be dusty and I wanted it to be more real than I have seen, especially the comedy world. And I asked John Kreissel, the director of, can you figure out this dusty world I'm trying to tell you about in this rodeo clown world? So, you know, we did our research a little bit and started casting and writing it. And yeah, it's a show I'm, it was so fun to work on.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun and a lot of work. I was just thinking about Louis Anderson when I was talking about it. And I just heard he died today. He would have fucking laughed. Every comedian laughs at any joke by that. Oh, my God. When did that strike you? When did you figure that out?

I'm going to have Louis play my mom. Louis C.K. and I were taught... All the Louies. Well, there were two Louies in this conversation. Louis C.K. and I were talking about the mother to cast the mother, and he was asking

me what I was thinking about, and I said, well, oh, I'd already called this British actress name Brenda Bledhen, who I really, really like. But for some reason, that didn't work out. or she didn't get the email

that's what I think there was just no she didn't get the email so I was telling Louis I was kind of imitating the voice this is a story I've told many times but

and I was doing the voice and he looked at me and he goes like Louis Anderson's voice and I said yeah and Louis goes

should we call him and I went yeah and that was it there was this weird Louis had and I didn't know this but he had been channeling his mom

on stage for a long time and that was kind of a luck that was the lucky part about it but I had always loved him I loved his vulnerability even in his stander if you can observe these kind of things it's fun to kind of try to figure out and I thought he can do it but not I don't want it drag right has to be real the first

day they put a lot of makeup on him and I we get some of that off he's he's the part so just you know we put it some wonderful costumes on him and the makeup was wonderful and Louis is you know I think when you come from such a background like he did um I think his tenderness came from pain on Q Jesus I told my manager like if I say something cool

someone ruin make sure you beep something if I get choked up talking about Louis beep it so it breaks up the ice this is a good audience but no I think Louis had this thing in him that was

really could throw it out heartbreaking pathos in his stand-up and a brilliant stand-up and storyteller but on set I would die laugh at work with him he was funny every second oh my God God he just made he just was

So great. You know, I don't know, you probably knew Louie. When I first got to town, I was 20, I was 20, this is at least eight years ago. I was, so I don't know where I, I saw Louis somewhere, and I didn't know him. I mean, I was in the hallway at the improv, but he was nice. And I was trying to audition at the improv or the comedy store. Those are the big ones to get in. And I was 20, and I had an okay act.

I had about, you know, eight minutes. And so he says, why don't you? audition for Mitzie and I go oh I don't even know how to do that and he said I'll bring you down so I went down there met him he went and told Mitzie on like their audition night and I went in the comedy store right here

did my sit did okay came out on the sidewalk on sunset and just stood there and he came out and he goes she didn't like you I go oh It's tough, man. I auditioned there once, and then you have to go see Mitzie.

Did you go over to her table? No, he was a middleman. You just ushered you out? He spared me watching her go, I'm sure she would have been rougher about it. He was like, yeah. I auditioned, and she said to me, Get some puppets.

It's not bad advice. Yeah, I auditioned for her and nothing. Nothing happened. You're in the main room next night. Yep. There's nothing else to ask. No's Fiona Apple, check. Do you want to do some...

Oh, wait, SNL! We had to ask about SNL, remember? This whole thing is about S-R-S-R-K. God damn, Danny, you forgot. I watched both of your monologues today. Yeah. I'd seen them before. Dana had a big day.

I'm telling you, I've been researching for 11 hours. No, I... Saturday Night Live 2010 2011 hosting both times and someone today

mentioned you and Keenan Thompson's what's what's up with that what's up with that and you came out this guy with this long flute in this weird jumpsuit

and it's a very potent Was that the double-sided flute? Yeah Does it guys remember that? The extreous flute? Yeah You just came It had no lines

You just came out played I didn't even know that was you, I saw it. Yeah. But it was something very indelible about that. Yeah, I remember that. It was, I still have the jump suit. It's in my closet. I usually don't keep any of that stuff, but that I have.

It's quite, it's comfortable. I wear it a lot in Canada, why I'm chopping wood. But, yeah, that was a flute. I remember they had like a double thing guitar. And I was like, oh, that's. seems like, is there, can you build a flute where the guy does this? And

yeah, they do it. That's the great thing about that show as you, like, is it like, can you maybe get a prop like this? Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. They can do anything within 24 hours, yeah. And you did, I read one, maybe you were brought in as a guest writer, some of the day,

and said there was a Britney Spears sketch that you pitched an idea with you and Will Farrell. Ten years before you were brought in as a guest writer or something like that? Well, I thought I was brought in as a cast member Hmm They never tell you what you're brought in at

No, I couldn't figure it out There was a weekend I was like oh I don't I guess I'm writing So I wrote Looking back I feel really bad about it But not that it was a

There were two sketches that I pitched to her And it was just she and I In this office alone And Brittany Spears The first sketch was Will Ferrell

we were going to shrink him down to be the bodyguard to her belly button you love it love it right that sounds funny so that was basically what I said to her

I remember a tumbleweed going through the cover section on my bad I mean it's not her fault and then I thought at the time because she was so kind of pop sugary

I said look I think it would be funny if you're doing a straight interview with something like entertainment tonight and you're just answering these banal questions and

you happen to be bleeding from the mouth I like that I like it too This sounds like a bunch of I just remember She looked at me And then

I remember looking at the ground And the ground And I remember looking back up But we made eye contact And she goes Yeah that's funny She was nice about it She was very sweet

She was very nice about it And that's a funny That's a great picture for her. Because the blood coming down and trying to... I don't know. I thought maybe it would be kind of a fun thing, but

you know, it didn't work. It didn't work for her. Zach, pop stars shouldn't really bleed on her. Rule number 540. So your monologue, I mean, the second one, where you stripped your clothes off,

you had a little red jumpsuit on, and then you had a board with letters on it. Like... Well, I... No, no, it's fine. It's something I had been doing in my stand-up. I mean, in my late 30s, I was going around the country.

With the board. With the board in a little orphan Annie dress and glitter. The dress, too? Oh, yeah. That was in your club act? Oh, well, I would, I would, at this time, I was kind of doing bigger. Your club act. Your club act, kid.

You got your club act in your regular. I was doing Uncle Tampons Comedy Cave in Tampa. Uncle Tampons comedy. No, I was doing, you know, shows, and so I had that one under a thing that I, it was something I liked doing, and I was trying to be absurdist and somewhat political at the same time back then, and sometimes, you know, the only way I felt like I could pull that off or at least to have a message or two was to do something very weird. and there were a couple of political jokes buried in that that and then I would change it from time to time and I actually got someone tried to sue me because of what was on those flip charts years ago.

Really? Yeah. So I would perform as little orphan Annie and close out shows and by the time I was ready to do Saturday Night Live I mean I think it was 39 dressed as little. orphan anna you know around the country you're like but this bit is polished

yes and dancing in a very like you know much too old to be doing the other thing yeah yeah

that was the um but they're like John Ham did this last week you're like what

I've been sitting on this I don't even know you yeah that's yeah I remember that bit yeah God Jesus it haunts me do you remember the first time you met

Lorne Michaels uh it doesn't have to have to, any thoughts about him? No, I don't remember the first time. I mean, no, I do remember in his office.

Yeah, in his office. You know, when you host, you go in, you go into that awkward meeting thing that is very... It's a very fun week. You're excited? You're coming off that hangover heat.

Everyone loves you. The minute you're hot, you feel you're getting yourself getting less hot. Lauren has a lot of... When you know you're hot, you're cold. Anyway, let's bring everyone in They bring everyone in

And they pitch all the ideas And Zach's just popcorn, right? Yeah He has popcorn All day long, unsalted. It's unsalted, isn't it? Butter? Butter.

I've always liked butter. He's an interesting person. Chiffy Pop Giffy Pop. What does he think of Orville Redmond? I don't know. He never talks about it?

I don't think he knows I'm doing one it's so bad but Dana's is He asked me once on an airplane. I've been doing it for years behind the scenes, but it was too embarrassed to do it in front of him. So he asked me, he said, like, when you do me, like, what do you do?

And I balked at that moment, you know. But years later, I was at a restaurant with Lorne and his two assistants, and Rob Lowe in Santa Monica. And he said, you know, do it for me. So I started to do it. And I said it was just him at the board on the Wednesday. night picking the show, and he would get mad, and he'd go, I still have no fucking first act. And then he'd go into the bathroom. And coincidentally, this is a true story. So he's doing that.

And then he tells me to tell the Paul McCartney story when I met him at Lauren Michael's house. So I'm doing Paul like this and going on and on like that. Lauren's looking up and going, it could be, yes, yes. And I did an impressionist tap out. And it's Paul. And I'm going, Oh, Paul was behind you and he knew he was coming in. I get tapped out. Once I had John Travolta, I was on stage in Denver and I'm, you know, these guys are going crazy like that. And then tap out, it's John Travolta. Yeah, it's an impressionist tap out.

But anyway, Lauren, I think at this point gets it. Everyone does it. I think he's kind of likes it. I believe, don't he think so? It's funny. It's silly. We all love him. I mean, he's brilliant, that Lorne, his isms, his life little things.

Marriage is a prison everyone's trying to escape into. That's a great one. Wow, that's good. I mean, who, and he's got tons of those. He talked about funny people. Were you going to live? Are you going to be around funny people? Because there's like only 900 of us on the planet in any given time.

And 900 was like the perfect number. Like, really? Is that about it? Like 20 in Poland and like 18. There's only 900 funny people on the planet. Feels a little heavy for Poland. But Lauren, he's a little heavy. Maybe, maybe low teens.

So you do the hangover. You're very successful. You do baskets. You do Saturday Live. This is a big summary. Big summary. I have some basic questions for you. Yeah, let's drill them.

Drill them hard. When you give to Cherry, is it for ego fulfillment or to help people? It's a good one. Yeah. I think if people don't know that you've given then you haven't given. Yeah.

Finally. Or at least that's the motto of this fucking town. When I do the wire, I call the press people the exact same time. I go, this wire. not going out without Yahoo News knowing. Let's put us all on one email. The best thing about being famous is...

Good table at soup plantation. My best feature is... Hangover. Hangover. feature film no no my best feature oh I thought it was like looks that's what I that's what I that's how I have okay yes I have okay I have good legs all right would you describe yourself as an empath or a narcissist there's no middle ground at all I don't know I just got these out of a book today empath is not really empath is somebody like you feel feelings oh I do

okay I'm that one yeah you are so totally that one can I tell you David said that I was driving here tonight and David a few years ago a bunch of people were in the green room and the wait

and we were all just talking about stand up and where we used to do it the old days and David just goes when I first started doing stand up as everybody leaves the room I saw people start to go

It makes me laugh all the time I think about it all the time Dude you were he was here two weeks ago And I talked to him for three minutes And I laugh so hard I go I can't even talk to you anymore Because I knew we were doing this And I go

God he makes me laugh so fucking hard And then I came over here Because you're one of my favorites And I start to watch his stand up And I go oh no And then I had to go after you And everyone's like ugh That's not true

That's weird Because that's a different interpretation Of how I felt after that show Oh, really? You handed me my hat like, that was a tough set. Well, I do that to get in your head. No, hi. No, his...

All right. He left his hat on stage, so I grabbed it. And he was leaving, and I went back, and some Davey Crocker. It was like some... And I gave it to him, and I was like, hey, fuck that crowd, man. That's a good one. Then they go, huh?

That's... that's the worst thing you can hear when you get off oh fuck that crowd that shows you they don't get you that's the worst oh my god god damn it okay well let's let him wrap up he's been good he put in his hours how how how what so this is a podcast

I don't know we will we'll edit it we'll this will be six minutes yeah I mean how like how what you sit through it and you edit it no we don't edit anything how long are the how long are they seven hours

No, they're usually about an hour-ish. Okay. So we just went over an hour-tenth. Okay. Yeah. Are you angling for more money? Yeah. Are you amazed how disorganized and amateurish we are?

Well, I thought they were... I know. I actually, the fact that you guys... And I saw you guys get these chairs out of your cars. We're on a budget. Flanny is tight. So I was impressed with that. Very impressed.

I like it I'm a little nervous talking to Zach It's fun It's great to see you I don't see you much Always fun to see you on stuff And it's great And no bullshit

We think you're We better our people up But we're sincere You know You're one of the Mount Rushmore All-time comedians So funny

Of our generation I really mean That's interesting dude Always interesting I am I put I draw a line Between you and Will Farrell

Carol, only in the sense of the commitment because Will said no one will ever out-commit me. But you commit, no one can out-commit you. Well, Will is one of those guys, Jesus, the way he goes in and even does like side bits when you're at work that he, I can't, he, that man is, I remember when we were working together at the time,

it was the terrible, yeah, and the news was the terrible Penn State. Yeah, and Will's a big sports fan, and he was following that stuff. And I, at that time, I was working on getting the statue of, who's Penn State's coach? Paterno. I wanted to put that in Will's yard. I'm a big molester fan. I was following that case, too.

It's going to be a very interesting podcast. You're revealing yourself. That's good. It's supposed to be authentic. I know. These are all just, I don't know. We're at Largo. It doesn't matter.

It's Largo. But no, but thanks. Thanks, Zach. Thanks, Dana. Thanks, David. Thanks, Zach, thank you very much. Thanks to the audience. Thank you.

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