Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Sam Morril on Mockumentaries, Recording Specials, and Brian Cox

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

Sam Morril joins the podcast to talk what it’s like to work alongside Mark Normand, making independent films, and his new Netflix special Incorrect. Also, Frankie Valli, putting together a project w...ith Brian Cox, and Sam’s love for Dana’s movie Opportunity Knocks.

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Starting point is 00:00:43 I'm like, this is the last thing I'm going to hear as he flips this car off the highway. You look like you're in the Middle East right now in a hostage video with that lighting. That's only for the next 13 weeks. Oh, it's like the Luigi. Yeah, he killed the guy with, you know, mad about health insurance. Amazon was doing discount checkups and I was just like, oh, that's how you know we're when Amazon is like helping. I think we're like four months away from, hey, what's your health insurance?
Starting point is 00:01:08 I'm with a Draft King, Silver Leaf Premiere, you know? Samarrel, Dana, I love having comics. I'm not going to say club comic, but I do know that he is a very, very good club comic from New York. Deep voice, cool guy, very funny, very edgy. Cool voice. Works with Mark Norman a lot. and they do a podcast.
Starting point is 00:01:32 He just did a movie about stand-up, a documentary that's coming out. And I know he wrote a movie with Mark, because my old director was maybe going to do it. So this is a great one where it's just jokes, breaking down stand-up, breaking down the clubs, and all the stuff, if you like comedy, it's fun to hear. Yeah. It's a very interesting story.
Starting point is 00:01:56 It's nice to get to know him on, because I wasn't that, familiar with him, but yeah, he's a very sweet guy, thoughtful about his stand-up and love stand-up, which is great, maybe a pure stand-up. And he likes the movies. This is the place we like to kind of introduce everyone to comics that, but they may or may not have seen. Our crowd is very comedic. Right.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Generally speaking, people who come on our podcast that are playing clubs are soon playing stadiums. I don't know why that is, but it's a pretty common refrain. We help. Here he is Samarrell. Yeah. What's up? Oh, he's here. He's here?
Starting point is 00:02:42 Hey, buddy. What's up, dude? Sorry, we're just Dana's a daughtering, you know, older gentleman. He's over there. He doesn't know what's going on. Oh, nice. He's wandering around. He's wandering around like Gladys Knight.
Starting point is 00:02:56 You got five-hour energy, holy shit. You can't even see it. You won't even able to see it. That's a lot. Hey, Dana. Dana, get your earphones on. Our fucking guest is here. Dana, that's sound.
Starting point is 00:03:14 We don't know. I know. We didn't know if we're supposed to put our sponsors thing in the background. I guess we did. Dana puts it in the back. I put it like, but, but,
Starting point is 00:03:22 but, but, And, yes. No, I didn't do that. Sam, so nice to see you, meet you. I guess we've run into each other. No, we've never met. I've always wanted to meet you, man.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Thank you. I always wanted to meet you, too. Look at the research. We don't phone it in here. Oh, shit. We don't fucking phone shit. Is this what you guys do on yours? No.
Starting point is 00:03:45 No, no. We phone it in. I don't do it. It's called the phone in pod. That's a great name for a podcast. And by the way, ignoring this, remember Craig Ferguson? he'd have the notes and then he'd go just rip it up i don't know if you guys remember that you know
Starting point is 00:03:59 sure because who cares i you know i've seen enough of you that to know that you will not be like so i uh what do you guys want to talk about yeah uh yeah dude we we had opportunity knox was a was a staple in the household growing up truly we i'd probably watch it i text my brother i was like how many times did we watch that growing up and he was like probably 15 at least i don't know if you had war have you had any war stories you must have war stories with whatever. And that was that was very awkward. But I fought for it. Yeah. It was unreleasable by the first thing. And then I said, well, let's have him crawl through the audience, you know, to Born to be Wild. And then we brought in a choreographer and then it was
Starting point is 00:04:46 enough to get released. But you were probably at the right age. You were like three and a half. And you're in diapers like me like funny. voices. I like fart guy. Anyway, you're, yeah, wait, listen,
Starting point is 00:05:01 Dana, I was telling him that he, that you were doddering around the room without your headset on, like Gladys Night on stage. Did you see that? The other night,
Starting point is 00:05:08 it's so rude. They bring these performers out. And like Frankie Valley, you've seen that video. Oh, yeah. Where they're like, you're just too good to be true.
Starting point is 00:05:18 And he's like, and I go, is he moving his mouth? They're just playing me. But they're so old that they try to get them on stage and, Everyone else gets paid. They want a tour. And he's just like, and you go, this guy has no idea where he is.
Starting point is 00:05:30 So they got fucking Gladys Knight now. And she's, the backup singers are doing all the good notes, you know what I mean? And she walks and she's just facing them like this. And they're going toward the audience. And she's like, oh, where's my? She's looking for the refrigerator. They're like, you're not at home. And you go, just please, let's relax on the touring.
Starting point is 00:05:50 It's too. Now it's not too late for Dana. That wasn't what I was saying. I was just saying. Oh, no. I'm near. near that. And it is a week away. I saw the Frankie Valley thing because I was playing AC the same night as him.
Starting point is 00:06:02 And I was like, dude, Frankie Valley, I got to go see Frankie Valley. And then I saw a YouTube clip of him lip syncing. I was like, I think I'm good. Yeah, I feel bad that I'm going to make him go on stage. He's like, there's someone here. I got to go on. What was the name of that Broadway show? I saw it in London.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Jersey Boys. Oh, yeah. It was so brilliant. And seen it in London. and the English fans were like that was their Beatles. I mean, they just were standing up going crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you had to right now, Sam, sing three or four words as Frankie Valley.
Starting point is 00:06:35 Could you do it? You don't have to do it. No, listen to this voice. I'd have to be a new one. You do have kind of a Sam L.A. thing going on. No. Yeah. You can just do Sherry.
Starting point is 00:06:48 That's it. That's good. Yeah, that's just that false setup. Sam's tall and the voice. There was a guy used to pick us up at this comedy club, side splitters, uh, in his convertible.
Starting point is 00:06:59 He'd be hammered, just bombed and he would pick you up singing, uh, big girls, don't cry. I'm like, this is the last thing I'm going to hear as he flips this car off the highway. What are going to do?
Starting point is 00:07:12 Side splitters is one of the funny ones like we laughed out of that one. Yeah. I played rib ticklers. That's the, and Minneapolis. There's gut busters. They're all real. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:07:23 We should say which one's the fake one. But I have to say it's all around the general stomach laughing area. I think that's part of it. Oh, yeah. That's where they come up. The general laughing stomach area. Yeah, like they go, there's your ribs. They're tickled.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Your stomach is a cutoffusting comedy. So, and people are unsafe in these places. Ribsnappers, fucking throat crunchers. He gets away from the comedy. This is an attack on a lot of the, to be rooms right now. It really is. By the way, Sam, I'm in New York City, Hoboken.
Starting point is 00:08:00 But basically adjacent. Close enough. You look like you're in the Middle East right now in a hostage video without lighting. That's only for the next 13 weeks. Now, I'm doing a major motion picture. Now, I'm working out here and I don't really know where I am, but I'm out across the tunnel and I'm like, cool, what tunnel? I don't even know.
Starting point is 00:08:22 I lived in New York for off and on. six years. I didn't have any geographical knowledge of where I was and Jersey was whatever. And I didn't know how to get there or go there and not someone took me. So now I'm like Norm McDonald's like, what? Norm's another one on stage. We're like, uh, uh. He was still lost. Yeah, he was always like, what? Everything was what? Um, Norm, you're going on now? What? Quit acting so perplexed by the most normal question that you already know the answer. Well, here are you. Kevin Neeland. Sorry, go ahead. Kevin Dehler very quickly toured with Norman.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Norm was always like, how do we kind of get back to our rooms now? Where do we go? Norm is obviously just playing a character as if he was kind of completely lost and confused. Like, what are we going? What are we? But anyway, back to our guests, Sam. No. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Do you have romance around those B rooms? Do you have any kind of romance about your early days? Oh, yeah, I like. Well, I just want to hear some juicy stories with horrors and horrible promoters and waitresses. There's more of those than horrors for sure. I just threw that out. I don't normally swear on the podcast. That's pretty.
Starting point is 00:09:36 I'm breaking out the horror stories for you too, man. Yeah. I got Magoobies. That's a rough name. I'm going back there. You got a McGubes? It's a big room. It's like 400.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Where's McGubies? It's a little outside Baltimore. Isn't that a detective from the seven? It was on after Colombo. Yeah. And Magubi. Mr. Mugoo's nephew.
Starting point is 00:10:00 Yeah. It was Magubi. Good night. Yeah. Dude, I love those rooms. Yeah, because you kind of bomb in the shadows.
Starting point is 00:10:06 That was kind of my whole thing. I don't want people to see me bad. And you're turning over those hours. You got to fail somewhere. Those special hours. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:16 I know you have a secret special. We're not going to talk about it, but I know. No, you can talk about it because this is now for a month. You can mention it. I thought it said confidential. We've never seen that on front.
Starting point is 00:10:26 It's like, do not mention you can dance around it. You can hint at it. Do not mention. I'm like, I thought it was kind of cool. Like Beyonce dropping something at midnight. Yeah, you dropping it at midnight. Like all of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:10:40 you've got a Netflix special call. I got a good publicity team. They're like, don't mention the special coming out. Thanks, guys. But do a lot of podcasts. Do a ton of podcasts. for no reason.
Starting point is 00:10:52 It really came and went. I couldn't talk about it on any show I went on. Yeah, no, it's on Netflix, September 29. It's called Incorrect. Filmed it in Florida at Tampa Theater. Fun special. I hope you guys like it. You know, it's like two years of work every time.
Starting point is 00:11:08 And then you're just like, gone. Such a beating. Now, okay, we'll do the same stuff we ask people because I'm always stressed about this. You do this special. You taped it when? Six months ago, three months ago? Yeah, six months ago.
Starting point is 00:11:20 Are Charlie Kirk joke still funny? I don't know. We'll see. Was he open? Yeah. I mean, I almost opened on one and then I was just like, let me earn this and put it at minute nine. You know,
Starting point is 00:11:32 let me build to this. Let me get the feelers out first. 65 seconds in. No, yeah. You're just like, are Luigi jokes still working? I know. We'll see.
Starting point is 00:11:43 But, but yeah, I filmed it in February. And it's, I love when they push the release because I'm just like, oh, cool, to write new shit.
Starting point is 00:11:52 But yeah, it's, it is so hard to keep coming up with jokes, especially my, most of my jokes are pretty short. So it's just like, oh, my God, every time. I want stories. I want one 90-minute story. I want to have fucking American pie. I want one long one. That's the best.
Starting point is 00:12:10 But you don't, because those specials are going to put you to sleep. That's the one-story thing. You need to inject. Well, they have to have ten. polls. So you have to have laughs throughout or you're fucked. You can't wait till the end. But when you do it, so now you're starting to do. But I would say
Starting point is 00:12:28 like the seller, like I see you on clips. Cellar is a tough place. When I go there, I almost throw out anything new because I'm rarely there and I don't want comics in the back one. This fucking guy's got zilch, man. What the fuck? Well, how did he get anywhere? So I have to go,
Starting point is 00:12:46 but where do you go? That's safe. Anywhere in New York, I went to Gotham. I go around. I go, there's somewhere, everywhere everyone's like where do you practice yeah it's uh i just kind of do with the seller and i just kind of take a beating in some of those rooms you follow you follow some young guys where you're just like oh this is his first hour he's fucking killing is so good some of these young comics are who are so funny and and you just follow them with like uh let me break out the notepad you know let me see if they're cool with this but yeah you take a you take a beating something i leave some nights being like, wow, I wish so much my self-worth wasn't attached to that, for sure, but it is.
Starting point is 00:13:23 A hundred percent of mine is, unfortunately. God, I would do that. What do you, what have you, like, is your fifth one special? Maybe, I think six or seven. God, damn. Yeah, I put out too many, probably. Well, the first one was like a half hour with an audio hour. You just keep putting them out.
Starting point is 00:13:38 You're like, I don't know what else to do. Oh, my God. I remember that show. MTV half hour. Did you do that? I don't, I didn't know, MTV had comedy. That's how young. You know, and MTV is it's over.
Starting point is 00:13:50 It's done. And you have no corporate loyalty. You did Comedy Central. None. And 2018, then you switched to Netflix, 2020. Then you go to Amazon, 2024. Why, the YouTube in between all that, you know, that was going to know. So you just.
Starting point is 00:14:05 Jesus. I don't, but I just wanted if you feel, because I did three and they sucked. It's kind of like uptown. It doesn't matter. Your specials, your special did not suck, dude. Chopin broccoli is a classic. It's all. And opportunity knocks is not suck.
Starting point is 00:14:20 I will hear no trash. I, okay, I'll accept it. I'll take it. I know. Take a compliment. Because the people that like it,
Starting point is 00:14:27 love it. When people talk to me about you, I don't mind it. I love this. And I like that. I don't mind it, but I was just wondering for you is how do you like each special and you're like, okay,
Starting point is 00:14:39 you're trying to get better and better or looser and looser or more present or more. So it seems like for this one, was it, Do you have any kind of the knowledge from the past six? Like you're bringing it. Like I want this theater. I want this time for the show. Not, you know, that kind of stuff.
Starting point is 00:14:59 Oh, God, no. No, I'm so unorganized. I remember I was with this comic Mateo Lane in Chicago, and he was playing the Chicago Theater Friday, and I was playing a Saturday. And I was just there. And I was like, oh, well, just do spots on each other's show. This is fun.
Starting point is 00:15:11 And he shows up at like 3.30. He's doing sound check. I walk in at like 715. I'm just like, I don't know, I don't think of any of that shit. I just am like I, the mic's going to work, I figure. So even when you're shooting a special, you just kind of, I kind of feel the same way. I want to work on the jokes. I don't give a shit about the venue, you know, I, I, or the time.
Starting point is 00:15:33 I just want to, yeah, so I'm, yeah, I'm worried about the material. Am I going to have like maybe a topical joke for the city or, you know, or something about the city? I just, yeah, I don't care about any of the other stuff to be honest. Honestly, when I did mine, I had probably 75 emails about what color curtain you want. I go, I don't give a fat fuck. No one's going to talk about the curtain after. Yeah, I'm not an interior decorating. I'm telling jokes.
Starting point is 00:15:57 What the hell? What are the sconces? Show me some options. I know. 20 minutes on the stool placement. What do you want a stool? Would you like a Coke near it or on top? I know, but every time they, then you're like, yeah, I don't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:16:11 And then you get up there and you're like, where's a stool? I need a stool. You put on the roof. I can't do this without a stool. yeah. Where am I going to put my water or my notes? I like when they go, we got everything you need. And I'm on the side. I'm about to be introduced. I go, where's the stool? In the mic stand, they go, do you want one? I go, I mean, what do I have? Just holding, I mean, I got notes in my hand. And I still use a set list. And that was a big problem.
Starting point is 00:16:34 They're like, do not have a set list up there. I go, I do it all the time. I don't even, I just want to do it like I normally do it. So there's no big changes, you know. I've been making an effort lately to choose products my home that are built. to last. So I'm excited to share today's sponsor, avocado green mattress. That's right. You wouldn't have thought it was a mattress. I know,
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Starting point is 00:18:22 But if I'm doing new, like right now, I'm probably doing like half new, half old because I'm trying to build back up. And, uh, yeah, I feel like it's, uh, I got to look a little bit just with the new stuff. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:34 Carlin had a cheat sheet there and he had water around it. So he'd go for the water. Yeah, I do that fucking scam too. You know, there's no blue food. Okay, here's a question for you. I'm just randomly curious. Cordless for the special.
Starting point is 00:18:51 or cord? Is this going that badly? Think about it. No, I'm fascinated. I'm fascinated by this. I like a cord. All right. We can move.
Starting point is 00:19:01 My Tony Robbins? What do? Cordless. What are we doing? Speaking of cord. I want a cord always. I kind of like it too. You kind of whip it around.
Starting point is 00:19:12 And, you know, back in the 80s, people would take the cord and refer to a TV Western from the 60s. They'd wave it and go, move. Move them, move them. Keep them doggies moving. You know, yeah, those hack things. Anyway, go on. On your new, what are your, I don't want to weigh in on the chord debate. I'm having problems already.
Starting point is 00:19:33 She's trying to clip this microphone. It was over there a little more. Is the mic, is it animated? I mean, was it attached to some. It's like a python. My question. Sam, all kidding aside. And cord gate aside.
Starting point is 00:19:51 We've never asked that question. It's going to blow up. The only joke that worked in my last special was when I fucking trashed Amazon for giving me a special with a cord. I said, you guys can't fucking, you got a cord off Amazon for an Amazon special? It's 37 feet long.
Starting point is 00:20:07 It weighs 22 pounds. I'm like, was your last special on Amazon too? I'm doing like you, no allegiance. Yeah, hired gun. Fuck it. I trash Amazon, I think out of the gate in this special. I think I had a joke about like, It was something, I forget the word of me, it was something like the,
Starting point is 00:20:24 the, fuck, it was something like, uh, Luigi. Oh, it was like the Luigi. Yeah, he killed the guy with, you know, mad about health insurance. I saw Amazon was doing discount checkups and I was just like, oh, that's how you know we're fucked when Amazon is like helping. I think we're like four months away from, hey, what's your health insurance? I'm with a draft king, Silver Leaf Premiere, you know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:48 That's a joke that won't work anywhere but America. you try that one in Canada. They're like, what's draft kings? No shit. My whole act doesn't work anywhere. Now, when you were writing like stuff on the new special, how long, because I'm to write something that was just, it was good right after my special came out, a new one. And now I got to wait.
Starting point is 00:21:07 And by the time it gets on, it's a little fucking dusty, you know. Are there any stories you can talk about that are topical or is there just subject matter? You know what I mean? How long can it hang in there? You do a little, I think you do a little topical stuff. just to have it to show that you're current but yeah i don't want to hold on this stuff for too long i feel like like what do you're going to be like lorraine abit guys what do you think i know yeah i go you remember this person that's how i start every joke do you remember the s and l crisis savings alone
Starting point is 00:21:38 remember remember john edwards that senator they're like what remember remember you remember you remember you know last there's a joke no i yeah i i just person Personal is better because it's just not going to, no one's going to step on it and no one's going to, and it's going to last longer. And then you can build in chunks. But I always find like I have jokes. I get real annoyed where a joke will kill out of the gate and then be like, I got it. And then two sets later, it never works again. Yeah, that's sickening.
Starting point is 00:22:08 It's painful. It happens all the time. It's so great when you get, when you stumble on a new one and you go, oh shit. And the real horniness is when you've got a joke that's doing so well, you go, I might move it up. to my clothes, sir. And all the other jokes are like, what the fuck? You're cutting in line. And then if it works as a closer, you're like, oh, now my closer gets moved up.
Starting point is 00:22:31 And it's a little tent pole now. And then you do a special throw them on the fucking garbage. And you're like, start over. It's amazing. Yeah. And then you start every new hour with the shit that didn't work in the last hour. You're like, let me pull into this city with the first 10 minutes of just garbage. That's on the cutting room floor.
Starting point is 00:22:49 Yeah. This is how I'm opening my shit. shows. Yeah, but you know, you're sneaking enough old. It's, it ends up being, I was in Bray last week and end up being good shows because you sneak in enough old and you, and you, that work. You cushion the new and then, yeah. But, and then you build enough confidence. But it's, yeah, it's enough. Every time, it's like, I, every time I see David Tell, he's like, this is my last hour. And I'm like, no, you're not, you're going to do another. And he's like, no, I'm at the
Starting point is 00:23:15 point now I'm like, no, I get that. I get that. Yeah, sure. We know that don't want to burn. We just don't want to burn. We, we we talked to him on this podcast, and it was about 35. Yeah, it was 18. And then he filled it with crowd work or something, but, you know, and I love watching it. I love that it was just like, well, of course, he's brilliant. Like every take was like, but it's like 35 and it's over. I don't know if we have to always do an hour.
Starting point is 00:23:39 I mean, what's wrong with a 35, 40? I mean, please God. I'm with you, man. I love it. I love shorter is great. I don't think I'll ever put out an hour special. I'm always at like 47 or something, 48. I understand it with movies.
Starting point is 00:23:51 It's like you see a movie runtime. It's like three hours 15. You're just like, fuck you. Dude, the honesty. I'm like, did you have to? I know.
Starting point is 00:23:59 The odd. Yeah, it's like an 1100 page book. I'm like, you could fit it to 90 minutes. I see some trunes. Well, I love the actual anger at the people
Starting point is 00:24:07 that made the long movie. Fuck you guys and you're 1905 minutes. I'm out of here. If it's worthy of it, but don't you feel a little intimidated? When I see a 95 minute movie, I'm like, oh,
Starting point is 00:24:19 Thank you. I'll like it no matter what. Yeah. When I see a movie and I go to the theater, it goes, it goes, 220 minutes. What the fuck is that? I'm like, that's nine hour. Wait, next second. I got to get out of here.
Starting point is 00:24:31 I can't figure that. 60 goes into one. Okay. I saw a 90 minute movie last night. Which one? I loved it. Midnight in Paris. Woody Allen.
Starting point is 00:24:43 That's a good movie. It is. It's just a feel good movie. It's in Paris. And Owen Wilson is by far. the best surrogate Woody. He's actually almost at the perfect tone. No, we could just stay here, you know?
Starting point is 00:24:57 I think, you know, that kind of thing. Because Woody's like, you know, because, you know, I'm dead thinking. And then Owen was so perfect in that movie. And, you know, why don't we just stay here in Paris? You know, we could see Ernest Hemingway was here. It's just amazing. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:25:13 What's your favorite movie? You're a movie. You're a mobile file. I watched, I watched Bullets Over Broadway last night. actually speaking of Rudy. Yeah. Speaking of Surrogate Woody's because you got
Starting point is 00:25:22 John Cusack in there. But yeah, I don't, dude, I watch so many movies. Yeah, that's like, I bring DVDs on the road
Starting point is 00:25:29 sometimes. Do you like comedies? Or do you like other way? It calms your brain down, right? I love comedies. Yeah, dude.
Starting point is 00:25:37 All the time. But I like, I like film noir, like old-timey, you know, detective stuff. Yeah, yeah,
Starting point is 00:25:43 I mean, Jesus Christ, I got like out of the past right there. I got out of the past. Bob Mitch. Wow. What we got there? That's third man, Orson Wells, Laura right next to him.
Starting point is 00:25:55 Yeah, I love old movies of that era for sure. I love the dialogue and that it's tight. I mean, out of the past. Double indemnity. I have that one over there too. That's one of my favorites. Notorious, Treasure, Sir, Marguerite, Maltese Falcon. Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:12 A lot of that Hitchcock stuff. I love that. I love all that stuff. Yeah, but I love like any, I mean, comedies. I grew up on you guys and Sandler and the Fairley brothers and stuff for sure. So I loved all that. I wasn't really only going to ask you about comedies because it couldn't be a dumber question than the microphone question. But I was going to say, obviously you probably like comedies, but is there any other kind? And you just told me, you just said, that's interesting. You like all those kinds.
Starting point is 00:26:40 Because a lot of people don't go back that far. A lot of people, you know, just breeze by whatever movies are out and they don't dig. But if you dig back, I mean, maybe. maybe we're all crazy, but they're so fucking cool to watch old, old movies that are just interesting and slower. And you just go, fuck, they don't do this anymore. But man, it was a little hate it. The original invasion of the body snatchers is stunning, I think. I got to watch that. I've never seen that.
Starting point is 00:27:06 I know that. I know what it is. But how it feels and what the other one was kind of cool, too in the late 70s. But the original one just has this atmosphere. And it's so emotional and just, I don't. I would check that out. You look at kids movies now. You see these trailers and all the characters like,
Starting point is 00:27:24 like, it's like nonstop. And like, then you watch a kids movie from like the 90s or 80s and you're like, oh, it's chilled. It's like, it's mirroring the anxiety of these kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, used to watch a movie and it would breathe a little. Now it's just like I like tight, but I also like, you know. We were saying we like walking two shots where they're not cutting 100 times for people.
Starting point is 00:27:49 Totally. Just give us some air here. We can just kind of relax, watch, long. And cuts started coming later and later where it was like, not more recently, but it just slowly got more cuts, more cuts, more coverage, more coverage. Once Digital came in, which is great for improvisation because they're not running out of film, but it's so easy to cut. I was back in the 90s, they'd get the spool of the film.
Starting point is 00:28:12 And to make a cut was like three hours of something. And then maybe, but now you get bored and you cut. But when did when did the word slop become really big? Like AI slop or slop that this year, I think, or maybe not last year. Is it a type of porn? That's why I think there's so much content that a lot of it is just like, how did this get made? How is this movie existing or TV show existing? It's such.
Starting point is 00:28:39 Well, as you look at your phone now and you like just swipe up this like for you page and it's just like turned into late night infomercials all day on your phone. You're just like, oh, this is like the bad. This is what you watch like 2 a.m. when you were a piece of shit. And this is just my whole life now. Yeah, basically. I don't like this. There's so much AI in the phone where, you know, there's ones that the joke of like your, when your mom asks you is this AI. And it's like a cat and a car driving away from the police.
Starting point is 00:29:05 And she's like, is this AI? And you go, well, and then there's really tricky AI where they're showing like, I saw one the other day where a cat was friends with like a walrus and they were paling around. It's always a cat. It was believable enough to where they had a whole sight of it. And I go, oh, this is all fucking fake. This is all. And they're making it's like, and that's, that's what you're wasting AI on. Like, I think you can identify it still for the most part, but obviously pretty soon.
Starting point is 00:29:33 I know. There'll be a new John Wayne movie. It'll be just like John. He's going to be woke. He's not going to call them Comanche's. He's going to be like, uh, settlers, of course. You seem like, well, these are Native Americans. Pappy.
Starting point is 00:29:47 He starts the movie saying this. This is stolen land. I'm excited for, I'm excited for woke John Wayne. Yeah, no, you can't. I mean,
Starting point is 00:29:58 it's like, you're right. It's always used on like cats in a car. But soon, you know, more and more is me used for like as like a thing for war where you're like, did we nuke or was that fake? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:09 Or a gorilla holding a baby or something. So there's a lot of stuff that looks really scary. That could just be a parent in Florida. letting a gorilla hold their baby though that could be anything except has to be in Florida Florida of course takes another kick in the nuts
Starting point is 00:30:24 yeah let me see here because Sam I like that you work for the Colbert report was that a long ago that was like a college thing now I was in college and I was just doing them the summers and stuff and yeah it was that was fun that was a great show the Colbert report
Starting point is 00:30:40 that was a fun job and uh great show yeah he was uh he was a cool boss he was I did the show and he pretended to remember me but I was like you don't fucking review you don't have to you know first summer yeah yeah but yeah it was very nice yeah did you well
Starting point is 00:30:55 you were in roommates too I just saw this roommates was Netflix I'm watching roommates this week oh yeah I haven't seen it yet but yeah it's doing great fun is it yeah yeah look it looks fun I gotta watch I feel weird thing about watching stuff that I'm in I don't want to see oh I can't see anything way too ever it's really really hard except if you're editing a
Starting point is 00:31:16 special, I think is the most painful thing. It's painful to sit there with your special and it's over and over again. And you're like, well, maybe we should. But you don't sit in on an editing session. I made a movie that's going to be on Netflix next year that I just self-financed. It's like a mockumentary about my tour and editing. It's been a nightmare. I hate watching myself.
Starting point is 00:31:37 I hate being a part of this. But it's- You already got it out there, though? You already got someone to get it? Netflix, you said, oh, that's great. But it's going to be early next. year but yeah that's hard to do good job it was yeah it's uh it's fun it's a fun movie but uh i also can't tell if i made a piece of shit or if it's funny to me but uh you know it's well i tell
Starting point is 00:31:57 young i tell the young filmmakers you know a mock documentary so inexpensive on the fly not lighting no takes just capturing capturing capturing so uh it already think it's a success personally when i hear about it i already think it's fun to watch you know movies now like obsession you got to respect that they do it on a budget and just like i i think that's i think it's so cool man yeah so we just i just put up my own money for it and we just were like because i've had all these things i think david and i were talking about this on our pot but you feel weird talking about anything because you're like is it going to see the lighted day right but i i spent like three years on a show with brian cox and i i think it's going to see the light of day
Starting point is 00:32:38 someday but like you get brian cox you figure like you're good to go you know that guy's a stud yeah He's just so good. Was he kind of scary? Yes, he's fucking scary. Seems like he cuts you to ribbons. Is he the guy that makes fun of other actors? He goes, this guy's the method. Do your fucking lines.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Horrible. It's cool to be actory, but also kind of a badass at the same time. We don't see that a lot. But yeah, he's intimidating as hell. You're like, this is. But yeah, we just. Well, wait a minute. You filmed it for three years and it never got released.
Starting point is 00:33:14 No, no, no. We're pitching it for developing, pitching, developing for three years. It was a TV show, so it was just forever. And then we wrote it for Brian, and he agreed. And we're like, this is crazy to get Brian Cox that he's like, he's attached, but still, you haven't done any of it. Yeah, but running out of time. No, I know.
Starting point is 00:33:33 I mean, we're on it. But he, we got independent money now, so I think we can do it. But it's like, you know, it takes like you're like 37 in the script. And you're just looking at you're like, I'm about 340. All right, cool. I'm aging out of myself. This is fun. I think you'll be okay.
Starting point is 00:33:48 37 to 40s. Not a big move, but. No, no, but you feel weird looking at that. You're like, well, this has been a while. What about that thing with Mark Norman, who does your podcast called? Well, we, Mark and I made a, we made a movie. Yeah, and we were supposed to film it in October, but that might be moved a little because we, yeah, we got the money to film that.
Starting point is 00:34:07 We got all these independent financiers to give us some money to make this movie we wrote. and then the director dropped out like a week before we were supposed to he was like I want more money and we were like all right well we don't have more money so he we tried to keep him but it's all good and uh you know we're on good terms and everything you know you gotta do you got to do but so we met with like five other directors and we're kind of we're figuring that out but uh yeah it'll it'll happen it's complex i mean Dana knows I know and we just did that little one and it's just like so many things that you don't see I'm on one now I'm on one now that I'm just hired on, and it's so much better to just roll in and that, oh, there's your trailer. They have lunch. And then instead of people going, should we feed everyone lunch? What do we do? Do you want a trailer? Are we going to get people trailer?
Starting point is 00:34:56 Why am I decided? I don't know, I guess. Yeah, but when you have to decide every fucking thing and everything costs something or it's coming out of your pocket or you have to clear it, that's when it to physically make a movie permits, all that stuff. And like you're saying, it could the drop Fahad. There was something that happened with Theo. We had to push it three months. And then something happened with director. And then I got something and we're like, this is just getting kicked down the road where you go, fuck, we need just a chunk of time.
Starting point is 00:35:25 Everyone's got to clear. And it's not number one priority usually for everyone. Because it's, you know, it's just like you're doing it for fun, passion project. Well, the mockumentary, I didn't even get permits. I mean, that was a thing where like I was just shooting in New York City. I had a friend of mine play a doorman and a doorman outfit and I was like yeah let's just go in that building right there and the actual
Starting point is 00:35:44 and the actual doormand came out like do you have a permit and I was like no but you already got it sorry Can you have like two cameras following you? Yeah it was like with a little sound person just super yeah yeah you know I like that idea because it's just a little different
Starting point is 00:36:01 it's a little more inexpensive and you have a lot of control you can shoot whenever you want and if you have like a little idea and people can follow it, then those, those are cool. I mean, you're a funny guy. It's almost like, just get a camera on me. I'll be funny and whatever. We wrote a script.
Starting point is 00:36:17 We wrote a script. Oh, you did? Okay. It was like a 60 page treatment and then we kind of turned into like, we just write sides every day. So we'd riff, but we, yeah, we, I wanted, I wanted a story too. You knew where you were going like ATAB. You had to go here.
Starting point is 00:36:30 You had to go here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, as long as you're a co-director, even if it's not credited, because the sensibility in the moment, you got to go with the comedians. If you have a director that feels like they're an artiste and they want to, I've had that
Starting point is 00:36:45 situation. So as long as you guys are in charge. Yeah, whenever you have a director say, on my set and you're like, relax, dude, we're making fart jokes here. You're not Orson Wells. No, on my set. I know. You find out the guy didn't even want to do it.
Starting point is 00:37:02 They're like, I'll do this shitty comedy. Then I'll get to do something I want. Newsflash. Bosch, you're no Christy, Chrissy, you know, you know you're way
Starting point is 00:37:11 around a camera, but you couldn't find a joke if you were at a garage sale in Temecula, all right? Temecula, holy shit. Oh, and you do dentists,
Starting point is 00:37:22 you always do asymmetrical words. That's good. That's good. Jesus Christ, this guy's got some chops here, you know, I didn't know that Sammy Morrow was such a hot cat
Starting point is 00:37:33 out in the industry, right? Sam, you're coming out on the special. And then what do you do? Do you, is the next plan to hit the road again and do his tour? Back in clubs and just try to build back up. And I, dude, I love the process of it. I think it's fun.
Starting point is 00:37:51 And it's, I still, I took enough time off to really kind of, you know, look forward to the road again. I took a lot of the summer off because I just hit too many cities last year, just on a bus. You could knock out like 16 in a row, you know? So I'm pumped. I'm loving going back to clubs and I'm loving just the pace. I'm lucky I have an audience that's really patient with me. So if I'm like, hey, can I try some new ones? They're like, please.
Starting point is 00:38:22 It's great. Do you have a club where you kind of, you know, you're like, I'm just better here. I mean, like a favorite, like because of the feng shui of the room or the audience or there was clubs I played in early days. where I would just kill because it was the intimacy of the room or something. Yes. Others were tractor poles.
Starting point is 00:38:41 I mean, I think the Braia improv is pretty hot. That's pretty nice. I love that one. I love that one. Kind of on top of you, everything. All the energy is floating around. So good. Yeah, but the problem with those rooms are you like, I don't trust them.
Starting point is 00:38:53 If I'm killing too hard, I'm like, then I take it back to New York. I'm like, oh, this joke sucks. They were laughing too hard. Yeah. But, you know, like, for some reason, the old Omaha funny bone, like, it's just a kill box. Oh, deep. Madison. Killbox.
Starting point is 00:39:06 I mean, because it's just so tight. I like to. I like it. But no one would shoot a special in a killbox. They got to go to the giant. I would. Part of me is like wants to do a comedy club again. I'm kind of annoyed.
Starting point is 00:39:17 Yeah. Because you hear these theaters. And then you're like, I was doing way better than that. What the hell is with that audio? Oh, there's nothing like a small theater, the compression of the sound. And I think for me, since I like to kind of be playful with a character, I don't really have any jokes. It's just oxygen for me, you know? to have that intimate reaction.
Starting point is 00:39:36 God, Ontario Improv is like an hour outside of L.A., but they have a low roof, and it just always seems to be good sets. And you're like, fuck, am I wrong? And then you go, someone fucking eat it a week later. Or you get too cocky, I go, you know, you're not as hungry. You're like, these are working. And then you do them. And you're like, oh, that didn't work.
Starting point is 00:39:56 Oh, which one do I jump to? I started scrambling my set. And everyone's like, uh-oh, we smell blood. This guy thinks he's bombing. Oh, dude, I get, coming back from like comedy on State of Madison, I'm like, I got 10 new minutes. And then it's, you start doing it in like the cellar. You're like, I got a minute and a half times. Yeah, yeah, maybe 45 seconds.
Starting point is 00:40:16 Yeah, you start to feel like you start to feel like a bum immediately. Yeah, they're too hot some of these rooms. Yeah. I always find that way like, yeah, a lot of those, like, if I'm in D.C., they're so high. You're popping in the D.C. Improv. They're so hot. They're just so good. Killbox.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Yeah, all of Boston, I feel like it's always hot. you know but doesn't it tighten up the timing with you because they're so hot and it's immediate everything changes right i mean i don't know why i want you to shoot your next one in one of those killboxes i kind of want it i maybe i'll call a killbox i think call it killbox and say i'm not this good you know that'd be and then just destroy it's only the room it never seems to matter like i think was attel did even actually at the seller no atel was at the uh in san francisco at a comedy club. But a
Starting point is 00:41:06 oh, maybe a Z. This one, skanks for the memories, was, that was Denver Comedy Works, which is like notorious, just amazing.
Starting point is 00:41:15 Killbox. A one outside of town is really juicy. I like that one. There's two comedy works. And I always do the one is not in town. It's fucking KB.
Starting point is 00:41:27 That's what I call, that's what I call Eileen Warnos, a killbox. But, uh, you know, Wernos. but skanks for the memory i'm gonna i didn't it's so silly and it just makes me laugh no maybe aziz i won't let this go did it ziz do the seller yeah and so did ray romano a few of them have done the cellar
Starting point is 00:41:46 oh and he walked around ray's hook was he did all three rooms right cellars seller's good but it's not like a kill room because it's it's it's the main room is a great room but the other i i i bomb so hard in the village underground their satellite room it's like a little more space Is that bigger? That's bigger, right? What? It's a little bigger, but the acoustics aren't quite right. It's funny because I did my most viewed specials in that room.
Starting point is 00:42:11 But when it's your people, I guess it's different. But when it's tourists, I open on a joke. I probably shouldn't open on the other night. Can we hear that? Yeah, I said, I saw a woman on a dating site and her profile said, I'm not fragile like a flower. I'm fragile like a bomb. And I was like, oh, okay, that's worse.
Starting point is 00:42:27 I wrote her a message. I'm not a good catch like a fish. I'm a good catch like a lump under your armpit. And so I opened on that and I heard a woman just go, oh. And I was like, maybe I should have waited for five minutes in to be that one or something. Yeah, that's at 506. 5.06. But it was like eight minutes to get them back.
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Starting point is 00:47:40 What is the seller hold, that skinny room? I think it's the main one where it's like eight feet deep and then it's kind of wide. Maybe like 150. It's pretty small, which is great. It's a great number.
Starting point is 00:47:51 And yeah, it's a little bigger than the other. Oh, dude, the McDougal room is just the greatest. And that's my favorite room, maybe in comedy. And then, but yeah there's some theaters that just shock you like i remember i was talking to jim norton and he said i'm
Starting point is 00:48:06 doing this he's like oh i'm going to knoxville and i was like the bijou theater and he goes yeah that's like the best room for some reason noxville tennessee really and and he texts me like he's all cynical going and he goes holy shit that was like one of the best sets of had and i was like yeah it's like a magical room for whatever reason normand always says uh blue city red state great combo You just kind of get everybody. How big is that theater? It's not that big. It's probably 700, but it's just, they're just hot.
Starting point is 00:48:35 And certain rooms you just, they're just magical. I don't know why. Do you ever get pissed because I do these, like I do a random theater. I haven't played. I didn't run up by where Dana's from and San Fran area. And I hadn't been there. And I'm like, this should have been my special. In the middle of it, I'm like, this is exactly what I won't want for a special.
Starting point is 00:48:53 And then I go do my special. and the cameras are blocking and people are pissed. And they're like, yeah, people are looking around and the lights are on them. I do that, but then I just tape my next special where I felt that. Like,
Starting point is 00:49:05 that's literally why I did the Tampa Theater for this new one because I had a really good set there. And the vibe was thought. And Tampa is like, there's something about Tampa people where you just can't offend them. They're inoffendable. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:49:16 I like it. No one in Tampa's ever grown to the joke in the history of their life. So it just, the theater felt right, the vibe felt right. And then, but then there's one in Seattle.
Starting point is 00:49:25 I love, called The Moore. There's a few that you're just like, oh, I should tape one here at some point. But at this point, people know you when they come, obviously. They, they're ready for your style of comedy and what you do and your edge mostly. But that's a bad thing to fall to, like, that's why I want to go. I'm not known. Yeah, it's forgiving. But, you know, I mean, how people that just keep, they get too comfortable with their crowd. And before you know it, it's like, they're just speaking like this one to this one type of person. And, And they become, it's just kind of, it ruins their comedy, I think.
Starting point is 00:49:58 It's like, it's like when you see comics who kind of pander. And you're like, I think gay marriage should be legal. And you're like, oh, cool, it's Manhattan. I think most people think that. Oh, it becomes kind of a de facto rally. Yeah, like, yeah, edgy bit. Yeah. So these people just, just pandering to their people.
Starting point is 00:50:17 And you're just like, I'm so bored watching this guy. Or, yeah, they're doing just, it's claptor. You're playing to your base and they applaud the setup. and you're like, I want the opposite. I want to put them off in the setup. Like, I love when Chris Rock will do bits where, like, he is offending people in the setup. Yeah. And then he sticks the landing.
Starting point is 00:50:34 To me, that's like so much cooler, you know. He gets them back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like when he used to do that bit, a man is as faithful as his options. And women are furious in the crowd. And then he still sticks the landing. Like, that, to me, is so much more exciting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:49 There's a lot of wisdom in that phrase. I, you know, I have to go. up and I want to go up with the with the pads Sarah Soverman used to do that a lot but I always thought it's kind of a cheat because they like to be a part of the process so you go and also how many these comics are doing that with like four year old bits so like let me try this one like I think that was your closer in your last special closer yeah what do you think of this sorry go ahead oh no it's it's it's fine to do on like a new joke show but it's definitely like it's not a great look, they would just be reading off a pad, right?
Starting point is 00:51:25 They paid for a ticket. Well, sometimes, I've been doing it for years. Two things. They pay, they prefer tickets, you owe them something. That's why sometimes when I'm working on the new hour, you go back to some of the old ones because the people that never saw the special, you know, you hear from Netflix. Well, the average watching is nine minutes. I'm like, what the fuck? I know.
Starting point is 00:51:42 So you go, is that what I want you watch? I'm glad I put all my good stuff at the end. Yeah. Thanks for telling me that. Yeah. Start open with your clothes. That's a rock told me once. You go, see what happens.
Starting point is 00:51:52 I go, it didn't. work. Yeah, see what happens. I couldn't follow my clothes. I couldn't follow my best joke. I bombed for the way. Yeah, there's a reason you don't open on free bird. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. Everyone just leaves. So trying it sometimes gives you a false confidence of they're laughing at the whole fun of it all. And then you put it in your act in like a and then like an unstable position in your act and they're like, fuck that one. You're like, no, they liked it last week. I read it to them. But I guess you're supposed to shoot a special as if you're in a room and people are starting to leave.
Starting point is 00:52:31 As time goes by or a few jokes don't work, they're leaving. So, yeah, I start every joke with up, up, up, up, wait, wait. When you watch a friend special or a special, do you watch a special all the way through? I never make it all the way through. But a few times I have the first time I saw it. First time I saw Sebastian, I didn't know anything about him. You know, they're old, but they send the ball. You know, so it was so new.
Starting point is 00:53:00 Tone nails. Tone nails clip and toenails on the pool die. I'll watch this guy. I know. You go, what? Yeah, no, it's hard. It's hard to make it through, right? I mean, it's the ones like a tell that I always make it through because they're short
Starting point is 00:53:17 and you always want more. And it's tough to make it through a full special. But, yeah, I mean, it's comedy just better live. That's the problem. It's like if you're in the room, it's hard to leave if someone's killing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you just throw it on, it's, it's got to be great. It's got to be great for me to go away.
Starting point is 00:53:35 We've talked to people who are self-financing. And he was doing the celebrity theater and Finney. So he kept adding the shows and using the door to add the show. So I always had one show, you know, just one taping, one show. but these guys are doing five somebody did 10 i read recently oh my god when you do a special how many do you do yeah is it more than one hopefully when i did my first netflix when i did seven like an idiot and i just would get drunk after every show like we got it and then i just be hung over like fuck i got to do i got to do more of these all right and be stressed again i should have immediately smashed
Starting point is 00:54:12 every tapie we did it we did and then um and then the last one i did one i did the last one i did three. I think, I think three is fine. Three is hard. You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna. Oh, you wanna do more you mean? No, I'm saying if you, the, I think the norm is you, you signed it as special. Two shows one night. I mean, that's one is crazy, Dana. I don't know how you do. Because I, I will inevitably flub something and, uh, oh, I'll deliver. I'm like, I get off like, fuck I should have delivered it like in this way. I immediately know I fucked up something. Well, there were technical issues with the first taping. So that was not going to
Starting point is 00:54:50 work. And then, but see, with me, and it's not a problem, it's just sort of a unique thing is that the people come see me just if I start to do an S&L character, like George Bush Sr. Hans and Franz or Church Lady, that's what they really want to see, you know. They don't want me to. So it's kind of like, give them what they want. And Danny goes, hey, dogs are funny? And they're like, are they?
Starting point is 00:55:13 Boo! Do Hans or Franz or both. And I get fuck. And fuck. Yeah. But it's a good problem to have. I always say the only worst thing in having hit characters is not having hit characters. But do people yell out some of your more, do you have these bits that people yell out from your specials?
Starting point is 00:55:38 And they really, I, if I like a bit, I don't mind hearing it again. I love it. I don't know. I honestly, the worst part is I don't remember how to tell a lot of them. Like they're just, there are many specials ago. Sure. I don't remember the wording. You just kind of have to lose it to make room for the new stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:54 But yeah, I have a bit of cold of a white night about this Cleveland vigilante who saved me from getting my ass kicked. Some crazy guy saved me from another crazy guy over a girl, which most of my stories end up with me drunk. And I'm just like, oh, I made a stupid decision. And something bad almost happened, but it usually doesn't. But yeah, people want those bits. But I just kind of tell them.
Starting point is 00:56:19 I don't know it. I'll do a new thing. Do you think you have any, and I'll let you go in a second, but do you think you have any, does the podcast clips help bring people in, or can you not tell? I think podcasts help. I think it does help.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Like, I see you on those. They hurt you with your act. Oh, thanks, man. Yeah, I mean, Mark is so easy to be funny with because Mark, yeah, you guys are very good together. I can't top what Mark's doing. So sometimes they just have to be like, I'm going to be this straight man in this clip
Starting point is 00:56:47 because Mark just farted on a guest, and I can't go further than that. So let me just sit back and let this happen. Didn't someone get mad at you about farting? Was there some? I don't think Nate Bargazzi loved when Mark farted on him. I mean, it's always like, it's always like you'll see what happens. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:04 And there's a clip of Nate just like he wasn't even mad. He was like more disappointed. It's a sad state of affairs. But because Mark will ask like a personal question and someone gives a vulnerable response. and then Marchers farts midway through. And I'm like, all right. So, yeah, I mean, I, yeah, I love, you know, hanging out with Mark. It's fun, though, right?
Starting point is 00:57:27 It's fun. It's a great podcast. It's very fun. Look at this. We get to hang out with you. You got to come on, Dan. You got to come on, Dana's got to go on. You would like it, Dan.
Starting point is 00:57:34 I did it with these two morons. It was great. I was watching it this morning is great. It's just a fun, funny podcast. Yeah, they're nice and both funny guys. You know, we, yeah, I love it. But I think the podcasts are like, Mark and I talk about this all the time.
Starting point is 00:57:49 You know, when we were young comics, all we did was write jokes all day. And then you get to a point where it's like, podcast. Oh, we want a script now. Oh, this. And you feel like, oh, man, it's so much extra work to make sure your act is, like, a lot of us got into this because we were kind of fuckups in a way. And then, and now they're like, you got to have the, you know, you got to have the discipline of someone in medical school to stay on top. The tenacity. And you're like, those were words I used to be described.
Starting point is 00:58:14 Yeah. Yeah. We were the idiots in class. that would make jokes. And now they're just like, yeah, you got to have a social media team. And we're like, what? We don't know what the fuck you're talking about. So staying on top of stuff has gotten, it's gotten much more difficult than we ever thought.
Starting point is 00:58:30 And we got lucky that people championed us early on and helped this. Like Amy Schumer produced both of our first specials. David Tell took me on the road. Yeah. All these people helped us out. But, and we were just like in love with the stand-up part of it. And that's kind of what we always are going to hope to just be. People pick stand up because they don't want a real job sometimes, you know.
Starting point is 00:58:53 And then it turns into a very hard job. These other worlds, you have real bosses. You're like there's like a chain of command with shows. There's other stuff. Stand up, you just show up and you're like. Yeah. But it turns into you're doing jobs. You're working for Netflix.
Starting point is 00:59:07 You've got people. You're on email chain. You're like, have Zoom meetings. You're like, this is different than when I started. Very, very, very different. I think Jay Leno and Joyce Steinfebner. never got past. It's like a bank highs to them.
Starting point is 00:59:20 Yeah, you go to the club and you tell you a joke. They give me a check. You know what I mean? And Jay is just like this savant about the emotionality of stand-up. Hey, someone stole my joke. What do I do? Write more jokes. I love that.
Starting point is 00:59:34 I heard a tell say that to someone, someone was complaining. And Dave just goes, get funnier. It's like, oh my God. It's so Zen. He didn't mean it to be a dick either.
Starting point is 00:59:44 He meant it just like, What else are going to do? Well, this was Jay's thing. You probably have heard this. You write joke, tell joke, get check. That's all it is. Right joke, tell joke, get check. So he never got past it.
Starting point is 01:00:00 He was a fully blown stand-up why he hosted the Tonight Show. I'm a stand-up comedian, and I do the Tonight Show. I think he made his monologue just a longer, it was longer with jokes. It wasn't Johnny's length. It was like, let's go longer. the funniest part. Oh, no. Jay, I don't want to interview people. It's no fun. Jay's a scientist. You know, I do 13
Starting point is 01:00:21 jokes up front. You know, Dave does six, but that's fine. I got 16. LPMs. You know, I get the numbers. He gets the money, but it's all right. Jay was a scientist about, you know, the guy you want to talk to about stand-up,
Starting point is 01:00:37 because it's always positive, you know, always. Well, you know, it's interesting because that time was so different. Those monologues didn't feel like the country was as divided. It felt like Yeah, true,
Starting point is 01:00:47 true, and I feel the only one who kind of kept it that way now was Conan, where Conan's
Starting point is 01:00:52 monologue was still just silly and funny. Not too political. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really. No.
Starting point is 01:00:57 But if you talk about current events, but it wasn't so like you're either with me or you're against. Yeah, it wasn't applause baiting. You're not preaching
Starting point is 01:01:04 to whatever choir it is. Woo, or they're not really laughing, but they're like, yeah. Yeah. They're like, it's just a rally.
Starting point is 01:01:11 After a while, you go. Just a rally. Is there anything else happening in current events other than this stuff like yeah i agree i agree it was it was it got a lot yeah but i love how jerry dissects stand up in his obsession with it yeah if i disagree with some of the stuff i'm just like i like hearing jerry talk about jokes and i i've always liked it and uh he is he's funny the advice he always gives yeah the guys like me he's like you don't move around enough
Starting point is 01:01:38 you don't move around enough on stage and uh i was like i try to move it doesn't feel natural to me I don't know. You got to mock your territory. That's why he says you got at one point mark your territory. So you have to cover the whole stage. Yeah. It's such alpha shit. I'm like I'm a coward.
Starting point is 01:01:56 I'll just stand here. I do like that Jerry is so good. Everyone will take his advice. Oh, no, Jay and Jerry, the two Js. Yeah, I listen to those two guys. They hate complaining. They think you've got the golden horse. of life if you can do stand-up, make money this way.
Starting point is 01:02:16 They treat you better if they like you as a stand-up. Yeah. They have no time for the rest of the world almost. It's funny. I've only met Leno once and it was on the phone. He called me after one of my specials. And I was like, oh, that's kind of nice. Yeah, he was very, very nice dude.
Starting point is 01:02:30 Yeah, it's really good jokes. You got a laugh every seven seconds. Yeah, it's just a good special. Yeah, I just wanted to do. You know, I really appreciate the effort. You know, it's just, a lot of people don't write good jokes. You just have some great jokes. he's uh yeah he was cool guy yeah and uh and Seinfeld is uh there's something about like
Starting point is 01:02:48 he's he's so meticulous with those jokes i love the just the obsession with words and everything it's great that joke is two words too long and you're like it is i heard he has a tuxedo bit idea that he's been working on for 10 years that's he still hasn't got it right combo bones that's a combo bun i believe it though it's He is a massive scientist. He came to my show at Carnegie Hall and I was in my head. I was like, I should probably wear a suit. It's Carnegie Hall.
Starting point is 01:03:19 And then first thing he felt me is like, love the suit. Oh, you did wear a suit. For a big show, sometimes I was all throwing a suit. Interesting. It feels like old school. But yeah. They think we should wear suits. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Yeah. All right. Well, let's see. Let's wrap it up with this young man. We might be drunk. The podcast I really like. It's with Mark Norman. And Samarrel, Incor.
Starting point is 01:03:41 right on September 29th on Netflix Sam Burrell Lots of laughs Always funny, edgy And great to talk to you finally Yeah that was fun
Starting point is 01:03:53 I enjoyed this It was cool That was fun man Thank you guys All right And it's one of these days I'll come on your show Please do
Starting point is 01:03:59 We would love that Now that I know you both And I know your hooks I know your attitudes And come in and dominate Yeah take over All right listen If you're enjoying
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