Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - SNL Bloopers and Therapy with Tony Hale

Episode Date: August 13, 2026

Tony Hale joins David and Dana this week to talk about SNL bloopers, Toy Story 5 and his new movie with Kristen Stewart and fellow Arrested Development alum Alia Shawkat, The Wrong Girls. Also, moving to Alabama, cater-waitering, and being called “like David Schwimmer but not as good looking” in his commercial acting days.

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And my type, they gave me a type, was not all there. I was told once, it was like, yeah, he's kind of like David Schwimmer, but not as good looking. And I was like, okay. Heather got on. You know my favorite, you know one of my favorite things about listening to your guys' podcasts is the noises that come out.

So when one of you is talking, the other one's going, oh. All hail Tony Hale, Dana. Oh, I was just going to say that. He's never heard that. Tony Hale. Tony Hale, very familiar face,

very comedic, very funny, really spices, up everything he's in with some good solid laughs. Arrest of development. Yeah. Veep. Yeah. Veep are the two big ones that he's done.

Always up for awards, constantly getting laughs. Toy Story 5. Oh, Toy Story 5, too. Yeah. This guy's got the rest. He wins Emmys. Yeah, he kind of does it all. He's just a producer, writer, director, voice artist, and really funny actor.

Tony Hale. And we get into some interesting stuff here, just about the psychology and your brain versus show business. Oh, that's right. It's interesting. It takes a deep turn for a second. Yeah. Yeah, we talk about real stuff.

David, I was squeamish. I was uncomfortable, yeah. You got, yeah. I saw the sweat. I'm more of a showbiz phony, so I kind of sat that one out. I like going deep, heavy, and real. I know. I hate it.

All right, here's Tony Hill. Tony Hale. Coming up. Coming in hot. There you go. Wow. I can't believe it's working. David, we're all in, you're in a bunker.

He's in a bunker. I'm in an undisclosed. I like his better, though. Mine's like literally, if you said, let's make a set, but looks fake, but it's your garage, but it's too fake looking. It looks like you're about to do a drug deal or something. Are you moving? You know, you think?

I did move, and everyone's riveted by this. The whole country's kind of with me on this journey. Address, please. And now I'm in New Jersey, and we started a movie. And so I'm just doing it. We got in late, four and a half hours late last night, so we didn't have time to, I don't know what's going on, to be honest. What's the name of the movie you're working on?

Grownups Three. Never too late to promote. One second, my dog's trying to get out. Let me just let him out. Hold on. Tony, we were sort of deciding if you were not as excited as we want about grown-ups three. Oh. Oh, so excited. When waiting for it.

Here's Tony. I go, grown-ups three, he goes like this. That's my dog. Hey, how did Toy Story 5 do? Oh, Toy Story 5. How did it do? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't pay attention to the trades. It's no Odyssey. Exactly. It's bigger than the old. the audits. Have you guys seen Odyssey? I haven't seen it yet. I heard it fantastic. I've seen it. Just give us the first couple hours of it. Well, I, look, there's a lot of different lanes. I'll just go to this lane first.

Everything you see is real. So there's a cyclops who's 60 feet tall in a cave and they made a giant animated animatronic puppet to be the cyclops. So I guess it kind of, informs your subconscious over time that you're not seeing AI or if there's a thousand people attacking, there's a thousand people attacking. I mean, Charlton Heston, who I talked to at once, and he said they could never make another Ben Hur. And then they did it with AI kind of, and it just didn't quite work. You know, it's a bummer is even though he is using real stuff, the filter over everybody's eyes right now is the question, is it AI? Yep. Yep.

You know, that's a real bummer. Well, they still think it's AI, like a conspiracy. If you didn't tell me that, Dana, I would think that. Interesting. When I see 60 feet high people, I question it. Well, it's a puppet, and then it's a big puppet, I guess. I don't know. Anyway, it's a thing.

It's a thing. What is your telling me, just that we're all getting to know each other. You as a movie fan. Yeah. A movie fan, a guy in movies and television animation. I mean, your thing is really vast. Your Wikipedia page. What movies do you, what movies do you?

I don't ever say favorite movie, but a movie that pops in your head, like, that's a great movie. I loved, did you ever see Lars and the Real Girl? Oh. Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling. He has like, he has this relationship. with a blowup doll. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. And, you know, on paper, you're like, huh? But it is so, such a powerful for a movie. That always, and then obviously, like, Punch Drunk Love. I love that movie with Adam Sandler. And I don't know, I just. PTA.

PTA. Those movies kind of, and also inside out, like the first inside out was the way they navigated emotions was like. Yes. And then you're an inside out too, because Bill Hader was too busy to do it or something. I don't know, but like, he's amazing. I don't know. I don't know.

He's all right. Well, Tony, like, first, okay, go back to Lars and the Real Girl, which I did see, which I remembered vaguely, but I remember, like, it was caught me off guard. Like, I thought it sounded stupid. I thought even there was a big star in it and there's a good director. I'm like, what are they doing? I wonder what they're doing with this. Yeah, and it was a good job.

They did a great job. The message, did you say you have seen Dana or you haven't seen it? Oh, Dana, have you seen it? I was aware of it. I don't think I saw it, but I must have seen the trailer or something because it really stood out as a premise. The story is,

it's directed by Craig Galipsine, the story is kind of like how this community embraces this guy who's clearly got a little bit of a screw loose because he has this relationship with this blow-up doll. But just the love that's surrounding him and how in the end he has to, well, spoiler,

he has to kind of put the doll to death and ruin the relationship. and they all just surround them. And it's a great picture of community. I mean, it's really well done. That's where you think, like, it's not, like, yeah, I think it's like a real doll day. And so it's a little more real looking, but it's still fake.

But I was taken back by that, Tony. Like, it was more about that stuff. And they made it. Yeah, because traditionally when there's a blow-up doll, it's comedic completely. But, you know, as Ryan Gosling, as he goes forward, he's still in his 40s or something. Is he getting kind of like,

they saw him in Hail Mary and you're trying to think like, who, who out there can balance this? Funny, charming, emotional. I mean, he's just kind of, I don't know, and I see him on SNL,

and he's kind of breaking. Really funny. The entire show, but it works. Yeah. He's literally, yeah. I'm reading Project Mary right now.

So I'm going to watch it after I finish the book. Okay. I won't tell you anything. about it, but I thought they did a good job with that too. He really does a bang-up job on SNL. Super funny. The Beavis and Butthead thing was kind of when Heidi Gardner breaking was sort of one of the moments of all time on that show.

Do you know one of my YouTube spirals is going to S&L bloopers? Because I will, because there's all these compilation videos on YouTube and I just love them. I love them so much. I love the one where in the Jeffrey store with Will Ferrell and Sean Hayes and Jimmy Fallon and they're like in a fancy fashion store and he carries the little phone. He's just making them break. I mean, I could watch that stuff. And then like, I don't know.

I just love it. I love it. It's kind of bittersweet for my generation because we truly were frightened to break and told not to break. Like it was a big thing. It's fucking Carol Brunette, you know. But which was the best, which everybody wants to watch those. I know. Lauren says that.

You're like, well, that's when I laughed. Well, Tim Conway as the dentist, it's like Chaplin meets Bozo the Clown or something. It's so brilliant. But I love people breaking when it's completely real. If you ever feel like it's sketch is kind of flat, well, I don't know, I break. But when it's real, there's nothing kind of funnier than that. that. And Ryan Gosselin is amazing because he's totally legitimately can't hold it back. Yeah. Tony.

When they're in space with Kate. Oh, right. When they're of the UFO thing. Yes, yes, yes. And she's like frisking him and he's just like losing it. That's just watching somebody, because even when we were on VEP, you're here's such close proximity. I was so close to Julia. And there's times you're like, this is scientifically impossible to keep it together when you're that close and your body is shaking so bad. And your character was, and you and she were just such a funny pairing. And I could see you

very close to breaking her at all times. Oh, I'd just look in my bag or I'd look back. You have to find ways. You know, it's funny because I'm sure there's a veep reel of, because I just stumble into these like maybe you do where there are there. There's, you know, Seinfeld and Julia starts laugh. It's so contagious on any of these shows that you like to watch. And you get stuck on it going, oh, shit. But you had VEP, you had arrest of development. There's surrounded by funny people.

And, I mean, we all get to be pretty much a lot of the time. But it is very hard to keep it together. And then there's times when it's tense. And you go, and someone breaks and it's not quite as funny because it's the 15th hour. Yeah. And the crew is getting pissed. Yeah. The crew's not laughing either.

together. Yeah, let's go, guys. But I have on my Dropbox, I've saved all the gag reels of every season of Veep, because that's what I watch the most. I haven't seen any episodes over. And then as a rap gift, I put it all on a flash drive, and that was my gift because that's what I want to watch, because that's what I remember. Is there a current show on that, I mean, maybe it's online. They used to call it bloopers and whatever. It feels like you should, because you're a producer, you should. put all this together and make a show. Isn't it fun when people go,

you ought to do that, Tony? You got to do the work. I'm suggesting it. I feel like it's on YouTube, though. It's already all. It probably is everywhere. It's called YouTube. By the way,

have you ever watched the ones where it's old-timey actors like Carrie Grant breaking? Yes. That is very magically real because you see them as almost religious figures because of the 40s and 50s.

But you also see their, you know, that kind of rhythm of their dialect that changes. So it's like, you know, when they're talking in the movies like, well,

I don't want to say that and bye-bye. And then they're like, oh, shit. Why would I, like, oh, they go into normal? See in the normal.

Yeah. There's one where Jimmy Stewart's going, well, you know, I love you. I really love you. I mean, I, oh, fuck.

And that one, they bleeped. So I just made that up. Yeah. I can't believe it. I've fucked up again. Fuck me. I'm getting a drink.

They all had bars, by the way. They all had cocktails. Jimmy Stewart had, had two high balls before every close-up. Are you serious? Are you serious? Are you lying? No. No, I was told that by somebody in the know. Maybe I had one, but it was not uncommon.

Jimmy was not a big drinker, but maybe he just had one thing, but it was like just common, I have a couple pops, you know. Who told you that, the waiter at the copper penny? Finius Stewart did great. Isn't that at Warner Brothers across the scene? I just want a polymarket bet that you, would say copper penny got a new copper penny within 12 minutes all right i'm rama gonna claim that ticket so right as you sit we are now we'll get to the wrong girls which i love the trailer

looks really badass i forgot i forgot well we figured that's what you're here for kind of no he's a nice guy well he's got a big i'm a huge fan of you too i have to get that out of the way like i I watched, man, I watched you guys a lot. So this is very exciting. Too much self-loathing, but thank you. Thank you. Yeah. We all hate ourselves.

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Everywhere. Hottest day of the year, eating pizza for brunch, which I didn't know was the main. I'm like, Ted, is it a little tight over there? I mean, is there a room I don't know about?

I know. It was fun. You kind of wanted to, I wanted to just kind of sit and watch. Yeah. I almost wanted a viewing platform just to kind of watch everything going on, but then you look like a freak.

So you just kind of are darting around. What is the social, dynamic. Is it like a, you know, there's the chimney corners guys and women in high school, you know, the cool group. And did it sort of naturally separate into whatever level you are anyway, or was it just totally loose, whatever? I don't know. I mean, I kind of, I, I get pretty excited about the free food and free drinks. So it's like I kind of, you always gravitate to that. And then they, I would, you kind of run into people that you've worked with before, but we were definitely waiting for the cool kids to get the picture.

Because it was like there was this big group picture that was supposed to happen. And I had to leave because I had to run to the airport. So I couldn't make it. But they were waiting for like the, you know, the big, the big. You're right. Put spade in the back way off to the side. And I have no idea why in those group photos, David. They don't put you up front and center.

Did you find the lens that day? Well, I, well, there's a couple reasons. One is I was leaving and they said, wait, we're going to do a big picture soon. I go, oh, oh, that's, okay, that made sense, but I didn't really think it. Because there's such an assortment of people there that you can bump into Chappelle and Rock over there. Then you can bump into Leanne Morgan and then you can. So pretty much everywhere you turn, you're basically just telling people your fans.

And sometimes I have nothing to say other than I just think they're good. And it's just fun to watch. Like you said, I just like to see everyone interacting. And then when he'd find the picture, I had to go somewhere after. And I said, there was a valet. And I go, oh, it's going to be picture everyone to the valley. So I go, let me get in the back on the side. And then I'll take it and go.

Okay. Oh, you weren't there, Tony. They were throwing stuff out. It's made you catch it like this. Was it balloons? Was it balloons they were throwing at you? What was it? It was snowsages.

I don't know what it was. I remember. and they were like juggling balls. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, I go, just tell us to do this instead of like, actually throwing or catching like,

oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Overall, because you can help even there with all comics, the photographer's like, let's add some funny. Hat on a hat. Let's go, guys.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everyone's like, just take it. It's also so, I mean, so nice for like Ted to open his home like that. I mean, that's, oh, yeah. It's just like it was like a nice garden party and you think, God, this is his home.

He's just kind of opening it up to a bunch of comics. Ted worked at one of them. Best buyer. I mean, Ted is still, at least the guy I know, is still very in touch with his roots. You know, I met him up in Los Gatos just for Netflix as I was going to make a little commercial for them. And I was like, this was just when they were going to announce you could watch a movie on your laptop.

And Ted, just one of those people that never went, I'm Ted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a vibe he's got. This part of his success and charm is this. Charm, yeah. He's just kind of a regular. He's also a huge comedy fan. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Big comedy nerd. Crazy. And that's always nice. He invites us or invites everybody over. And then he's like, hey, I get to see a lot of my favorite people and a lot of people that I gave specials to. Yeah. Yeah.

They don't really know, but they're here. And some I pay a lot and some I pay less. but that's the hard part is like hey ted remember because people are arguing about not getting enough when i heard chris and uh chappelle got 20 million i will tell you what my first thought was i'd say what it wasn't why aren't i getting that that's what some people are saying and i'm like well first of all are we all at the level of chris rach and chappelle starting with me i say no so it's hard in the business to again just in general to say where am i and how much should i get paid and oh really I heard that guy made that but obviously you're getting paid a lot more

than you'd ever get paid when you were a kid to think so I try to say well I'm getting paid more than a lot of people but less than some trying to look back going I'm doing fine but you can't help but go 20 and then some people came out in public and said why aren't I getting that and I was like oh my but isn't it good isn't it the poison of always and like that person that person is making a dollar more and it's like, why are they making a dollar more? I mean, that's just, that's just the sickness. I was going to ask you that, Tony, how do you manage personally the emotional violence of a career in show business, whether it be 10 year old envy or that did make it or I hated what they did to me in this thing? Just it's sort of, it's so glamorous to regular people. And we all

came from being regular people. I totally get it. But it does come with a price. Yeah. So much therapy. Oh, okay. But I do, I mean, I do simple things. Like I took, I mean, I still have an account, but I don't have the Instagram app on my phone. Oh, wow. You know, things like things like that. Like, my wife can look at Instagram and it's kind of like a scrapbook. Like she's like, oh, this is cool.

This is cool. I just don't feel good when I leave it. I don't leave Instagram feeling good. So something like that is small, but it just doesn't help my overall well-being, you know? So, but like, oh, it's also like the. trying, I mean, this gets into kind of like a meta thought, but we like this. I was, when I, long ago, when I booked a rest of development, and it scared me because it wasn't, it didn't satisfy me the way I thought I was going to satisfy me. And it scared me because

I realized I wasn't very present. And so it's that whole lesson. If you're not practicing content where you are, you're not going to be content when you get what you want. And so I just realized I had never been practiced being present. And so much of my therapy, just, honestly, just waking myself up. I got to wake up because I'm in some other narrative. I'm in a narrative of like being jealous of that person or a narrative in the what if or a narrative and regret. You know, it's like, I got to like wake myself up. And the agents and managers are, you know, we have other people and stuff. They'll be kind of. It's real though. It's really true. And while you're saying it, it's heavy to me. I'm like, shit. I want a deep dive into this for a

second because it's also driven by the industry. I remember the first time I made a million dollars and stuff and they're in the room and like, all right, all right. It's now what's next? And I go, can we just take a second? Someone paid me a fucking million. So it's like it's never good enough. It's always the next thing.

Best work you've ever done like, hey, what's up? You know, so. Oh, they always have bigger clients too. They're not excited about you enough. And you're like, what does it take? Or you go to the Emmys, you're lucky enough to even be at the Emmys. And they go, oh, your picture's back there where you sit. And you're like, oh, it's behind that.

Why am I way over? And they go, oh, it's just random. I go, is it? He has himself a close up. But it's also unique to our, you're right. It's unique to our business because you don't go up to a dentist and say, what are you working on next? Oh, mostly teeth. Any good one?

Patients. Yeah. What people are, and I get it, they're curious. Like, what's next? What's next? But you get so trained to thinking of the next thing that you just. We had Luke Wilson on recently. He says, Luke Wilson, it seems to work constantly.

He said, a guy leaned into him recently and she said, time for a comeback, dude. You know? I love. Yeah. Yeah, and even a guy came up to Will Farrell and said, are you making any more movies, pal? You know, so it's designed. And you name three movies. I didn't see those.

But anything else? Yeah. Like each of those took two years. Yeah. So the therapy of that, I mean, it's a very deep thing to say. I mean, I think the most disgusting human emotion that you can have. And when you have it, you just, you know, Dennis Miller and I would just joke about it, that you actually have, your lighter stepping when one of your peers doesn't do well.

Shot and fried. Yeah. And it's such a weird, what is wrong? with me. And Dennis and I talked all about it. And it's just another one of those funny emotions. Yeah. That's what I, but I love that you said that because I remember listening to Chelsea Handler talking about this. And she said, you know, if like a friend of hers got something and she had jealous feelings, she's like, this doesn't make me a jealous person. I just had a feeling. You know, these feelings come and go. So if like, you know, you and Dennis had that feeling,

it doesn't make you. There's just a random feeling. But it's like, and I know you're, I know you're saying that, I, so many years, I beat myself like, how could I think that? How could I, does this make me who? It's like, no, these are just random thoughts and feelings that come up. I look at it exactly, like the rubber hammer on your knee at the doctor's office. It's just a reflex. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we all have versions of that. You know, I don't know if there's anyone at the top of the pyramid, but going back to Jimmy Stewart for a second. I remember being at this AFI tribute. I'd only bought an SNL three months. And I'm at this table. And people's go, he's 83 and he's Jimmy Stewart and they're going, ah, it's not working much anymore, man. Not getting much work.

So I thought to myself at that moment, you can't win this game. Yeah, fuck. Yeah. On that, mentally, you can't. Clint Eastwood's looking rough. Yeah. Well, he's 99. Yeah.

And he actually doesn't. He looks fucking cool, like he always has. I agree. Jack Benny, he's not even alive. but what's he doing? But it's all reruns with him. Yeah. When you go to S&L and then you're hearing all these whispers of like someone's getting on more.

There is, I would actively admit I was jealous. I'd tell Adam, I go, fuck, that was funny. I'm so jealous. Because that's sort of like at least acknowledging something was good or makes you better to go, okay, I, S&L was more about upping my own game. Like, I know my level when I came in here as a middle act comic and going, I got to get like this. And what's good is when you work with Julia or all these people and arrested that you go, okay, we've got really some big hitters here.

And if I'm even in the mix where they can come to me with some improv and they know they're safe with you and you're going to go back and forth and you're going to be at that level, that's just an accomplishment right there, which you don't really think too much, but you got to go. that's what other people think. They're like, fuck, those guys know what they're doing. Yeah, and it takes time. I mean, because, like, it takes time building that kind of trust and those relationships. And when you get to that kind of writing that comic wave together, I mean, there's nothing better because there's that, yeah, it's throwing the ball. And then you're trusting they're going to throw it back.

And that's just flat out fun. I'm just wondering from what you just said in your revelation about arrested development. And then you get another big show, Veep. And it does seem, I was looking at some of the clips today, you're, You're just sort of, I don't know, it seemed incredibly in the moment doing that character. And just emasculated and anxious. That tends to be the game. Well, it's just very funny, though.

I mean, you know, because comedy's like that. You want to be subconscious. You want to just feel funny. Yeah. So I'm just curious about your therapy and where, well, how has it been going since then? I mean, how are you feeling right now? Do you know what I actually recently did? I mean, is, okay, so I've been.

therapy probably maybe 15, 20 years. And over Zoom, and I'll do it over Zoom or I initially did it over the phone. And during that time, I'll write notes, just what they say. And then recently, probably in the last four months, on Claude, I put all my notes in Claude. And then I'll have a question about something going on today. And it'll take from the resource of my notes. And it's really, I mean, I still go to therapy, but it's a really great, that's a great tool. Yeah. You know, because, honestly. Does a therapist know that and are they envious?

They have to go to Claude to help them? But it's not like, it's, because that's pretty much what AI is doing, is just taking all this other information. But it's like, studies you. Yeah. And so even if I find like a really great quote or if I've read something, I'll take a picture of it. And it'll just pull from these. It adds to the whole picture. Yeah.

This is you. Yeah. From every angle. But the stuff they, I mean, the way they can kind of outline and be like, oh, well, this is kind of similar to what's on with this. And it's like, oh, yeah, just to have that kind of reminder, you know. Or it just says, you're being weird. Yeah, exactly. That's all you've got.

No, I would say, when I'm first therapist, I went to Tony, they go, nice woman. And she says, she kept saying like, I'd blab. It was more fun as to blab. And then she goes, and what did you think about that? And I go, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then she goes, and how did you feel? I go, hey, after about six times, I go, when do you come into the equation? Like, I don't think I know the answers.

Why don't you tell me? I really thought after once or twice, you'd be like, here's what's wrong. Yeah. And here's how to fix it. And I'd be like, thank you. Like, it was this leaky faucet. I got it now. Or even a tool, like some kind of tool.

Yeah. putting your toolbox for when it happens again. It was no tools. I went for five years. Yeah. How was any tools? Where's your toolbox? Yeah.

I mean, she told, I mean, I was, I had a hard time buying a guitar. I had a lot of really obvious things. It's codependent with people. I was really somebody, if someone had a problem, I would want to solve, you know. And then I got extra money and mixed that stew, you know. I was like vanilla ice, but, and then after I did the therapy and then years later, I would, you know, once you recognize these patterns, that's when I started to change. It wasn't during the therapy, but it was. You stopped helping people. But it's more cognitive behavioral therapy. I could do this or I could do this. I love TBT, cognitive behavioral therapy. Well, then it's actionable. Like, okay, I'm not going to do that and I'm just going to do this. So that was helpful. Because you become a little more of an observer of your feelings than a victim. to your feelings. Yeah.

And there was, speaking of, because I'm in the codependent club myself, and somebody gave me the example the other day, because I was on a job and I was like, you know, you feel like you want to just kind of win people over? And it's like, oh, have them like you. Have them like me and all that kind of stuff. And they gave the example of a tug-a-war

where it's just like, God, just got to get them on your side, get them on your side. And they're like, Tony, you just got to let go of the rope. Just let go with the rope. And just having that image of like, yeah, why am I just trying so hard? I'm just destroying myself to get them on my side. You know, just let go. Yeah, let go the rope is a great figure of speech.

You know, with David and I first started this podcast, I just, after about three episodes, I said, just let go to the rope. Just like, wait, and I haven't, I was like this. Har, ha, ha. Outside of this podcast, have you guys ever toured together? Have we met? No. Is this first?

You never tour, but we do dates together. Yeah. We did it some out. We do stand-up dates because we're buddies, and we used to, it was actually me being friends with Dana, but a fan of his. And then when he moved near me in L.A., I ran in once or twice, and I said, I would ask him go to dinner. And then we'd BS at dinner, and he's very funny just to hang out with these very introspective and very smart guy. and we'd always wind up talking about S&Ls. Anyway, when we were trying to think of podcast stuff,

and then I thought, well, or I mean, we just kind of jelled together, like in that way. We were already getting along at dinner. Podcasts are sort of like just talking about things with people, but we sort of jump in also, and it just turned into that. But I didn't know, I knew him a little before SNL. I didn't know if you were asking that part, but I knew him a little bit because he's a big comic that we all.

liked. But we met before I got SNO. Yeah, before. David was really Yeah, and that was fun to see someone you know, or you like, and then you get to meet him, and he hung out out with, rolled around with those ruffians like Kevin Nealan and a tough guy. And a lot of tough guys

from Frisco. You know, Tony, I had a question for you, and then I'll get back to Dana. Thanks. When I did SNL, I remember, a couple people remember, thank you. please Hollywood Minute

I don't remember when we Gap girls yeah see that's what I would love I don't know if you can but like a show where you talk and have fun

and you talk and have fun and stuff but then you can also do character work and stuff like that I know well we do dating it's a lot of requests but mostly we don't do that stuff because it's not that funny

yeah but we're not that funny we have two a week one with a guest yeah one we don't have a guest and we just fuck off I've got like 300 cardboard puppets,

little cutouts in this closet. Everybody, and he holds one up and just doesn't. Answers questions. By yourself? No, to David. No, to me. I'll have Pierce Morgan interviewed David Spade about the movie Bus Voice.

You think it's funny, a man touching another man to gentles. You think that's what people want to see? That's why it's funny. I was going to ask you, because your voice is like, Dr. Psychos and stuff. Like, you really are a voice artist as well.

I mean, you kind of do everything. I hope you know that, right? It comes from so much pain. Were you as a little kid? Were you in your room jumping them down and pretending to be other people? Let me think. I don't remember. I don't, I mean, I was definitely, I was a theater kid.

And I, like, I moved to Tallahassee, Florida in the seventh grade. My dad retired from the Army where we were moving around a lot. and I wasn't into sports and in the South, if you're not into sports, there's not much of a place for you. And so thankfully, they found this theater called you. Hey. Hey.

And I just, I just was like that kid. I just loved like being on stage and getting as much attention as possible. Oh, we get that here a lot. We get child or just in theater at a very young age, so all of our guests. And it was fun. Just that kind of got that bug of like making people laugh

and all that kind of stuff. stuff. It's funny. When you get that laugh thing, it's because everyone, my theory is everyone loves comedy as a kid. People like, I used to love TV shows, but mine was, I guess, sort of an escape of craziness of like, I'd just sit and watch happy days or I'd watch whatever comics were on, you know, Johnny Carson. Yeah. Never really thought I could do it. I just thought that was so fun. Yeah. And then getting into work in that world was was a miracle. And also it becomes a safe space. Yeah, I guess that's what it is. to save space where you feel seen and just laughing.

And it's happy. And it's happy. And you get an audience and all that kind of stuff. But I wanted to tell you guys, I don't know if you know this. My wife was a makeup artist on SNL. Oh, what years? She was there. I know that's a big transition.

1860. No, I saw it on your bio. We were there. She was there. Okay. Well, she came in with you. There might have been some crossover, but she came in with the Molly and,

and on a gas star and and uh will okay so 95-ish 95 to like 2003 or something like that but you know what probably saw when we hosted yeah yeah yeah yeah and she but like loved it and she and i i kind of got like a little i would able to come to rehearsals oh for sure gawk at all of you guys and stuff and it was really was she doing ray a prosthetic and stuff and all that all that on agastar was her girl. And so, because I mean, you all have teams. Yeah, they're sort of assigned in a way. Yeah. Yeah. And so she was there with like, you know, Anna's doing Martha Stewart's character. Yeah, yeah. About Marty, all that stuff and kind of helping create that. And she just had a blast. Did you ever have designs? Did you have designs to be a cast member at a given point? Because you

seem to have the skills. You'd be perfect as a castman. Oh, I, I never auditioned. I never auditioned. But I, I, again, YouTube spiral. I've, like, done, I've seen all these audition videos of, like, each person's audition video on S&L. And it just sounds, ooh, that anxiety. By the way, it's crickets in there. The ones I see are dead. Man, so what was your guys? I'm sure you guys have talked about this, but was it the same as what they went through, what they go through now?

Danis was kind of. I think it was simpler then. Like, when I came in, we just still had a really small cast. Yeah. But I was, I'd audition for S&L in cattle calls. It's just interesting. One of them, you know, I was just a young stand-up, scared, no real confidence, you know. And I was at the comedy store and they had like 20 comics going on in the original room,

doing five minutes each with no MC. Just said, now, welcome. And so I followed Sam Kennison at about 1130. Wow. And S&L people were there, not Lauren, but I played dude. dead silence. I really was bummed. I was really depressed.

But you didn't get it that time. Did I get it this time. It comes around again and I go, Lauren Michaels people had seen me at a real comedy club, the comedy magic club, said you should see him. And my manager at the time. So I went to a little club.

A change of heart. I went to a club called Igby's. Rosie O'Donnell was headlining. And I just met her. She seemed very, mature and confident. You know, I go, I could get Lauren Michaels in here. You don't mind if I can do some time.

So I was about to go on. And Lauren Michaels walked in and then the head of the network walked in. And then Cher walked in. Are you serious? Yeah, share. Oh, that's funny. Would you like a chair? But I had 40, would you share a chair with me share?

And maybe some sharing. The thing about share is she's like really generous. It's ironic that that's her name, but it's not meant to be taken. She's a half-breed, did she tell you? Tony Hale would have been a good cast member. The timing was off. We already had one. We had a time.

We had Phil. So I got the show that way, and it was kind of a fluke, and it was terrifying. And then I auditioned a couple other times at a studio just by myself with Lauren and six people. and Jim Carrey was auditioning. I'm like, well, I can't get this. He put his foot behind his head singing. I'm like, what the fuck? Who is this guy?

He did fine. But so as far as your trajectory, when did you ever, when did you feel when I guess this is my job? Like this is what I'm doing for the rest of my. Was it really young? Like, because Brian Cranston just said he decided, he decided him just going to do this. He had no real work.

work, no real night goes, I'm just going to do this no matter what. When did that become a reality for you? I would, well, in 95, I moved to New York and to try it. I didn't know a soul. And do you remember backstage magazine? Half, yes. Yeah. And so I would get, did you say half fuck? Yes. I started to and then I go, I was just like, it's auditions, right? What is it? I'm going to give a half-fuck to that. You know what? Oh, fuck, yeah.

I, and I would get the magazine, I would circle all the auditions, and then I would obviously do every job under the sun, like cater-waitering and all this stuff. Yeah. Cater waiter. I didn't even heard that. Oh, yeah.

Quater. Which actually I liked better than waiting tables because it was all the same food. You didn't have to really do with the people. They gave you like a set hour. Oh, they had you with a catering job. I have those. Great I heard about.

Yeah. Yeah. And then I, so I started, I did that. And then I started to get into commercials. And I was, my type, they gave me a type was not all there. Ah, ha ha. Weirdo. Not all there.

Is that like a weirdo? Pretty much. Okay. And then I was told once, it was like, yeah, he's kind of like David Schwimmer, but not as good looking. And I was like, okay. Heather got on. I'm trying to think.

She disagrees. She thinks you're good looking. Oh, that's very kind. Thank you, Heather. There we go. Is it Heather? Heather, yes. Listen, you guys know how much I love multitasking. That's what everyone's always stopping me and asking me about. Lately, my secret weapon's been Amazon Music. I used to jump in between three different apps to get through my day, because I'm weird.

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You don't have to say it, but is there a dollar? amount, because you don't have to say a dollar amount, but is there a certain point where you go, I think I can do this full time? Or was it just more you could tell there was some momentum, like I'm doing enough. I always looked at it when people go, should I quit? I said, well, if you come out, forget giving yourself a year. I said, if you come out and if everything's just going up, like even 1%, I had two meetings with agents this year. And then the next year you go, I had, I got an agent, I had one callback. Well, it's going this way.

You're starting something. But if it stays the same where it keeps going down, maybe it's not for you. But there's some little wins. Like people go, overnight success. No, each one of those is as big as anything until you get the next thing bigger. Yeah. If you got an agent, it's like, yeah. And it took me like six or seven years to get an agent to send me out for TV and

because they really separated, they saw it me as like a commercial act. and not a film and TV actor. But I look, you're absolutely right, because it was like, I think it was like every maybe 30, 20, 30 auditions you get a booking. And there's obviously so much rejection. But man,

the thing that saved my ass was, I just had a great group of friends. And it was like, because there's so much just beaten down that if you don't have those people around you, it's like, hey, man, keep going, we'd go to see each other shows. We'd hang out.

We'd laugh. That was the, like, lifeline for it. Yeah. Talk about living in the present. It's so hard. And all you're doing is trying to think, what if I got this? What if I got that?

And you look back and you go, the more fun was hanging with everybody. Absolutely. And then you don't see anybody. You scatter when you're successful. Yeah. Yeah. In stand-up,

you have a lot of peers and friends. You know, there'd be three comics on the bill and stuff like that. Yeah. For me, it was when I could kind of started to make six, five to 600 a month. I stopped waiting tables.

because I could rent a place for like $2.15 and stuff. So it depends. You were in New York and you were making enough to live there? Yeah, I think my, my, I remember one statement had me making $9,000 a year or something like that. And because I was sleeping on so many friends' couches. Yeah. And like the first, I think it was like the first six months, I would just kind of go from couch to couch. And then I, and I guess because I came to New York not knowing many people, but I,

I guess I made friends pretty quick because I was like all of a sudden sleeping on their couch. You just fall asleep during conversation. Pretty much. Don't wait. But then you're right. I think it was kind of like when I could, I didn't need all those odd jobs the same just to kind of keep the rat offload. And I was like, well, I guess this is my career now. But also, I don't know if you guys relate to this.

There was a lot of, to say I'm an actor, to say, like I'm an artist, felt very like, ugh. Because when I grew up, no one said that profession. You know, it was like, no, you're an engineer, you're a lawyer. You're like, no one says that. So there was a real kind of, I don't know, I couldn't own it yet, you know. It just makes me anxious when I hear it. I go, I'm trying to ask. To someone with a dream.

I'm an actor. Instead of I am this, you're like, no, I'm working at it. I'm seeing what I. Because you never feel like, you always feel like even if it's going okay, they can pull the rug out and just, You're back to zero. So, yeah, still. And did you have, what was your first? You got a, was it arrested development?

Was there kind of then a period where things weren't coming in and then you got VEP? Did you have them, you know, because it is also top C turbo. Yeah. Well, it was actually this casting director who direct, who cast me in commercials, Marcia de Bonas. And she saw this description of Buster, who was not all there. And was like, I'm going to bring Tony in. and she brought me in for it. And obviously,

and I remember they sent me out to L.A. for the callback. And I was like, what? This is, because back then, you know, you sent tapes.

They would do it on the DHS. And then they'd send the tape. And I would, you know, I flew out and I was just, the whole time like, now this isn't going to happen. This is a full out for like a callback

or a final callback kind of thing. It was a callback. And then they ended up shooting the pilot while I was out there. And I have a distinct, I remember running out of clothes and specifically underwear. And I had to go to old Navy to get underwear because I didn't back right.

And how did you manage the nerves? How did you manage the nerves? I mean, that's your very first break and you're on the set and Jason Bateman's there. Well, I will say this. Like, thankfully, I'm playing, I was playing a very nervous, panic, stricken character. Your favorite thing. So, like, I think if I was auditioning for Job, who is Will Arnette's character, who was like super arrogant and confident, I couldn't have done it. I was just so overwhelmed. And Buster was like so. overwhelmed. So I just, I don't know, I just use that, I guess. I was going to ask you guys that, though, like how you as stand-ups or just how you navigate nerves? Because everybody has different ways of doing it and it's, they catch up to you sometimes. Yeah, for sure. Well, the more you do it, the less nervous you are. And, you know, I go through phase where I don't do it very much. And then you're, it's very nerve-wracking. You're your notes and you're in your hotel, room repeating your bits and yeah and uh because more prep helps yeah i mean dana and i both the more

i'm scared about doing a set i'm like okay what is wrong i haven't done it in a while now i got to visualize what kind of group is this and then what will i start with if things go wrong what do i say what do i go into because all that stuff then my nerves get less they're not gone but if i have a handle on it it's like it's like an audition or the next day of shooting you're like fuck i have seven pages tomorrow I think, well, my only chance is to keep going over it. And the more I know it, the nerves start to go down because now I'm getting there. But I keep talking about it. I'm going to stay scared.

I got to bite the bullet. And it's fake confidence, you know, going out on Letterman, you know, I try to tell myself, like, this doesn't matter at all. This can be completely forgotten. And I would try to say to myself, I'm going to be not cocky, but I'm going to be the most confident guest in the history of talk shows. I try to go the opposite as opposed to me funny. I don't know. You just play all these mind games basically. You do and it's the challenge is for me is to not kind of live in the wreckage of the future where I kind of find myself. Right. You know,

going to, I can easily go into catastrophic thinking of like, what if this happens? What if this happens? And it's like, nope, I just got to like you said, do the work and just keep walking and stay present. you know. It's sort of a lie. When they say just have fun. People love you. People love you now. I mean,

you have this resume and they're like, you might, you know, airports or places. Oh man. You're fucking great, you know. And so you are getting that feedback.

How do you process that? Do you own it or you're like, I could get better. Thanks very much. I've gotten better about receiving it. And also I actually enjoy it if they want to talk about the show because I don't remember the show.

So it's like when they say, oh, Buster, you did this or Gary, I'm like, oh, okay, can you repeat that? Because I don't remember that joke, you know, so it's fun, you know. It's very common. Yeah. We interviewed Ringo, name drop. Sure. And I was talking about this different weird song, you know, she's so heavy on the,

and Abby Rowe. And he goes, you know, the Beatles better than I do, a piece of love, you know. He can't remember everything. What did he say about fame? Just because that level of fame is, it looks terrifying. There's something kind of seemingly terrifying. Did he talk about that at all? I've heard him talk about that.

I mean, and Paul McCartney, I think there's some other level that they're at that's at a level that they just give into it, you know. But how do you stay, my thing is how you stay present in that kind of fishful, you know. You know, it's funny that Paul said, I heard Howard Stern. And you know, 10, 15 years ago, Howard Stern was obviously hugest DJ and huge star. He said he was going to one of these private shows that Paul was going to be at and he was backstage. And he goes, I was nervous, but Paul was standing next to me. So I said, can I get you to sign? He goes, I've heard Paul doesn't do autographs.

But I was backstage. So I said, hey, Paul, can you sign my ticket? He goes, no, I don't do that. And it's like, even to a huge star. you go, nah, shake. And I think the balls, Paul is so famous for so long, he has no qualms. I've been like, here's my, here's my rules. You seem like a great guy.

He had said that as a kid in his liver puddly in neighborhood, there was a monkey grinder. With a chimp, you know, and people line up for the monkey and have the picture taken. So I don't really like getting me picture taken. I feel like a bit of a monkey. but my theory about them is this is that these are working class the stones were more middle not wealthy but the Beatles were thrown in vans and did 20 hours a day they were rough and tumble liverpool people and i don't think they've ever lost touch of it i mean obviously they're in this surreal kind of fame but paul you know we would lads you know we sat for a plonk you know all that

stuff i mean yeah but but there's never been people like that I mean, maybe Muhammad O'Lean or I don't know, who's that famous? Taylor Swift seems to be up there. Yeah. Yeah, and she's new to it. It's like, will she, like, for yourself, I would seem talking to that you have, you're very much in touch with the pre-show business, you, like utterly, right? Yeah.

But what you said about, I think having, it sounds like he has really healthy boundaries, you know, because like if you struggle with people pleasing, you're screwed. you know, because you just can't. Yeah, they always get mad at some point if you're not signing this stuff. Yeah. Well, there's a book out, I can't remember the name of the woman, let them. And that's a little bit about that. Let them be angry at you.

Let them shit on you. Her name starts with an M. M, and she's a big, huge podcaster. But that little phrase is kind of, you know. Mel Robbins, yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Mel Robbins. She listens.

a lot. Be jealous. Photographic memory. Don't be jealous. Last thing I'll ask you. Do you have a photographic memory, David? Who has a photographic memory? I was teasing that maybe David's very next level as far as calling

up things. I do have somewhat of a photographic memory. Really? So you can look at a script and it just kind of absorb it pretty easily? You'd think. That's where it sort of falls apart. But yeah, he's not I can remember what a big Mac looks like. More about, didn't you referencing somebody from the 70s?

I think Taylor, I think Paris Hilton once said she had a photogenic memory. So maybe I have that. She's like, I have a real photogenic memory. So I know when I see it. And I'm like, I don't know if that's what you're looking for. I have a photo horrific memory. So I only remember terrible things that happened. Anything else for this lovely young man, Dana, he's been such a.

dream with his psychedelic ceiling. No, you're, um, I love, okay, these just, which I just love and I found out that you made a kids' animation show.

Oh, yeah. The next thing is here. Like just making a kid's animation show while you do everything else. That's cool. That's where that, that came from that arrested experience. Because it came from a book I did where there's a little chicken that gets a card in

the mail that says your big thing is here. And he's like, where? And he goes on all these adventures, but every time he's on an adventure, he's like, I got to get to my next big thing. And then the bee comes along

And it's like, you gotta just be, man. You gotta just be here. Yeah. And then he realizes the card is right that your big thing is here. So then the show, Archibald is here right now. Yeah, Archibald's the most present chicken there was.

So he's a very present chicken. That's very great lesson for little kids too. Be here now, by the way. When I was coming through in the hippie 70s was the big phrase. Oh, really? Be here now. Yeah.

Oh, that's cool. Be here now, man. I think that's really cool. And I guess I don't know if this is public knowledge, but maybe you moved Alabama recently. Oh, yeah, I did. Why? I'm not kidding.

I like Alabama. I moved here a year and a half ago. We were in L.A. for like 21 years, and we needed to be closer to our parents and families and stuff like that. So we made the move. And we can work. We can travel and stuff like that. No one knows where anyone is.

You can do all this. The heartland. Yeah, you don't have to be in L.A. Not everyone's hanging out at Sardi's. having a cocktail. What I was curious was, as far as the house in L.A., the cost, and then a house in Alabama, is it lower down there? I would assume. You would not, in Burmine, because I live in Birmingham, which is a really fantastic city. Yeah. And I think during COVID, like Nashville, Birmingham, Austin, these cities, they blew up. They blew up. Yeah.

But we love it. I mean, it's, it's just nice, honestly, to be able to find a parking space when you want a parking space. Yeah. I relate to that. Just reduces the anxiety. Okay, the reason you're here, we don't, for the publicist who's listening, maybe, the wrong girls, an R-rated romp and you're in it.

It's out August 14th. And who are the two co-stars? Kristen Stewart and Alia Shuckott, who was on Arrested Development with me. So they do some kind of some, some concussion, and then they can see the future or something. Yeah. Yeah. What is your part? I play a real douchebag real estate guy.

And it's really, you know, fun to play a douchebag. Yeah. Is it an attitude? Do you do kind of like a character? You talk like you? Do I do a character? He's just, he's got a fake tan and it's just a obnoxious. Just really, obnoxious, cocky.

Yeah, it says things I would never say. And that's what's fun to be able to do it. You know, my favorite, you know, one of my favorite things about listening to your guys' podcast is the noises that come out. So when one of you is talking, the other one's going, oh. Whenever we talk about Al Frank and someone's going, and it is so entertaining. It's like, it's so good.

And it's just a way you guys communicate and respond to each other through noises. It's just so. That's Larry Bowles Browns. And then either they are or aren't. But we get into those things of cracking up, like, it's good to have you on because we can just go off on some stupid tangent and just start laughing. That's more. I love it. You guys are the best, the best.

Thanks for doing it and goofing around. It's been really fun, Tony. I'm so glad to meet you. And I think you're just so talented. You just keep going. And I think back to, I loved all that. Just be here now and try just as much as possible. Don't put your trip.

Sure. And I say it so much because it's something I'm not good at. You know, it's something I'm working on. You have to kind of practice it. Just go remind yourself because you slip right back. Always. Always. Anyway, pleasure, Tony. So nice meeting you. All right, listen, if you're enjoying the fly on the wall, of course, hopefully you are. Click follow. We don't want to be desperate, but obviously smash that goddamn button on your favorite podcast app.

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