Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - SUPERFLY #65 - Rob Lowe Talks Hollywood

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

The guys shoot the crap before being joined by Rob Lowe to talk running form, the Brat Pack, and the financial issues facing Hollywood. Rob’s FOX hit game show THE FLOOR can be streamed now on HULU. Rob’s podcast is Literally! with Rob Lowe. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I could probably do it. It's something that people can do when they travel, they have extra space or you're at a place, not full time. You come in the winter, you leave in the summer. So that's something you should think about. It's a way to get some extra money and it's a cool experience. Your home might be worth more than you'd think. Yep. Find out how much at airbnb.com slash host.

Hey everybody. Welcome to Superfly. There's Dana here and his Stark Pad here, Spade and his pea soup green backdrop. He keeps threatening to change, but he hasn't yet. I'm a minimalist. I figured that out. I'm a minimalist. I think as you go along and you get to buy things you like and you do things, you start to get that way and that's what I'm starting to get.

You don't need a ton of things. I need elbow room. You like your freedom. You like different things. But once you have a car, you got some clothes. It's good for the economy. That's all I can say. If the whole country was me, we'd be in a deep depression.

Oh yeah. I'm out there. I do throw some back into the econ, but I try not to get too pushy about it. This is literally not the word I'm looking for. You were pretty close and it was kind of clear. You don't want to say, hey, I got some beans in my jeans, even though I'm showing off a teal pullover today.

Do you want to mention the maker of the said sweater so that you may get a free one in the mail or? I don't think I know. I know it's Teal and I know it's for real. And I know I saw a basketball by Shaquille O'Neal. Even after a big meal, I'm not made of steel, but this is for real with Teal. Dude, we just lost a thousand viewers.

It's a big deal. They haven't even gotten focused yet. We're on in the background. They're flipping a smash. Dude It's a big deal. They haven't even gotten focus yet. We're on in the background. They're flipping a smash. Dude, don't squeal. So dumb. I'm gonna adjust my camera.

Yeah. So here we are. We made it to another Superfly. Everyone's stoked. We do have a guest later. And, but right now I want to hear about anything that happened in the last week of note and it better be of note. Should we test? Should we tease?

Tease the guests? Sure. Now go ahead. Ladies and gentlemen, can you do a drum roll? Some, some, ladies and gentlemen, and a little bit, we're going to have our good buddy, the one and only really the hardest working man in show business, been with us, America, been a star for a long time, still looks like he's a high school senior, Rob Lowe. Rob Lowe, Brat Pack. Rob Lowe, Brat Pack.

But first, day in it. I had an observation. Oh, good, Dana. I, I had an observation. Oh, good. Okay. So what do you do? Like there's this really nice guy at this place I go to for breakfast and stuff. And he's one of those people that really likes to laugh. So he'll say something, but it's just perfunctory information, but he'll laugh

like, as if it's a joke. And am I supposed to laugh like, like I walk in and he goes, hey pal, normally you come earlier. Ha ha ha ha ha. That's awesome. That's awesome. I'm like, and then we're leaving.

He goes, you know, you should adopt me. What the fuck? Ha ha ha ha. I mean, he's the greatest guy. I love that. You know, you should adopt me. He's the greatest guy. I love that. Incredible sense of humor, but it's just informational. I want to give him a joke or something. I know. I think the problem is we're comedians and the same pilot that said, when I got on, he saw me and then he goes, Hey, we got our 737 on the Las Vegas.

Hope our door doesn't fly off. You can't do jokes like that just for me because everyone goes, what the fuck? You know, it's not funny to some people. And then when I'm also ordering, and if you're a comedian, anything you say, you go, do you guys have eggs here? Before 10, they go, yeah.

Yeah. What? Just, you mean, yeah? Before 10, they go, yeah. What? You mean yeah? Just yes is fine. He just likes to laugh, I think. It's very sweet, but I... Yeah, I like that he's laughing and everything. That's like you that write LOL after what they say. Yeah. I mean, it's sweet, but I feel like I want to give my...

My joke with him is like, hey, where's Bob? Because you can't be him because you must be his younger brother. You know, you look so much younger than when I saw you last time. It wasn't my best joke, but at least it was somewhat humorous. Yeah, at least some reason to laugh, like a queue line. Yeah, I know. It's awkward sometimes, but it's still, it's fun. Sometimes like people text and they go, hey, like I get an offender bent over the guy and he's like, hey, I guess I should get your insurance,

LOL. And I'm like, yeah. And he goes, you weren't hurt at all, were you, LOL? I'm like, I don't know where we're gonna stop joking and it's serious. I don't know what's going on. You can't put LOL on everything. Well, laugh out loud used to be a big bar.

Laugh out loud funny before these little memes came in. So most things are slightly humorous. We gotta come up with something, I guess, SH, slightly humorous, that doesn't help. Yeah. MH, minimally humorous. Minimally humorous or K.F. be good, kind of funny. Not a put down but not a compliment.

But laugh out loud. A.N. almost nothing. I mean almost no reaction. By the way, no one's making reactions. They're just saying they bother putting R-O-M-L-O-L, roll on the floor, laughing my fucking ass. I go, you don't have to go through all those histronics to tell me you're not even laughing at all. Well, I don't know, where were you? Do you remember the first time you realized you could

add these little hearts or little pictures or little dog or the first moment you said, Hey, wait a minute, I can take this just an English language print with all this stuff. I used to put like 50 in there. For my age, I spent way too much of a part of my day looking for emojis. Maybe two to three hours. That's what they're called emojis. Emojis. You know, I put ROL, I put roll on floor, falling on ground, lit on fire

with a bear trap on my nuts. That's how hard I loved. Did you just make that up? Yeah. That's pretty good. It's not bad, right? Usually I think your ad libs are kind of pre-planned. You don't even have to pull a card up.

Heather's holding a note. She scribbles a joke and holds it up. Yeah, she's got little cue cards. I just read it. Yeah, but that was actually pretty good. Yeah, I'm always looking for where's the parachute? Where's the fucking big rock? Where's the ball of yarn?

Is this the shit I send people? Are they this? You put all your work into this stupid fucking time. It's always funny to say, what's up, fuckface? You know, it's just always good. You know, like that or that's good. My pronouns are, what's up motherfucker?

Those are your pronouns? Yeah, that's my pronouns. I put my pronouns are and I put yarn and then the fucking alien guy. Let's be honest, your pronoun is teal sweater. Dude, everyone's buzzing about this. Call back. Yeah.

It's pretty sweet, but I don't wanna overdo it. I don't wanna hear it in the comments. I'll block you by the way. I'll block the shit out of you. I don't take. Have you ever read the comments and then realize the next morning, damn, I cried myself to sleep last night.

Yeah. I think we overall, I figure that people watch them and do comments as it's going. Cause it's, as the show goes on, it's now as new subjects. They're just sitting there. Yeah. They're just like, kind of funny. Don't care for that one. And then they're like, Teal actually isn't a color of the rainbow.

I'm just glad they're engaging. That's the thing. You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, boy. I'm just glad they're engaging. That's the thing, you know. I guess it's good, yeah. It is fun to hear the thoughts because I'll read the thoughts, but if they get too out of control and too rough, then you gotta, because people go, why would you block me?

I go, well, I'm here to have fun. I don't need someone saying something horribly, crazily negative and threatening or something. You go, obviously I'll block you. I assume't need someone saying something horribly, crazily negative and threatening or something. You go, obviously I'll block you. I assume as two high school kids, let's get the Tommy boy and the Wings world guy, man. He goes, shut up, Ryan. I'm typing. Just shut up. Tell him he's the fuck. Anyone I DM that I get pissed off if I really can't take it, they're like, oh my God, I'm the biggest fan in the world. Are you though?

And that's what you chose to write. That's what you picked and you thought that would fly. Anyway. Have you ever posted something critical online? No, no, because I'm sane. An article, YouTube, yeah. No, I could imagine saying I disagree or I don't know what you're doing, but I wouldn't say anything where it would be so rough.

This guy in Michigan was writing me saying, I'm going to bust every bone nearby to the baseball. He was like literally threatening to kill me over and over. And I just wanted to, I should have posted it just to say, because he's in a band and I wanted to say, hey, I'm just posting this to show your friends, this is what you do in between band breaks. You've got a psycho behind you on the drums because he's writing all this shit.

And he's like, then you see his pictures. He's at practice. I'm like, could act like you're a nice guy, Fish. It's usually like a wedding or something. The girls that send me the dirtiest ones, you just go to their page and say them at their wedding a week ago. I just the anonymity. Look at that word. Do whatever you want.

I mean, I feel less alone. I get inspired by the comments if I'm watching a Beatle thing, because, you know, I'm kind of a fanatic and it's like John Lennon's in my life or whatever it is. And then the comments are just like, I thought I was the only one. They're just like, oh, these this band is a miracle. Oh, yeah, like that. You know, by the way, I swear to God, and it sounds like I'm lying. I was going to dinner. We talked about the Beatles so much.

I thought I've never asked Dana, because you like so many Beatles songs, if you had to love in my life. In my life. Oh yeah. Do do do do do. But we never mentioned it, but it's a great one. Is it London?

All the places I remember in my life. I love you. It was in an old Jodie Foster movie, I think, and I remember hearing it going on. The silliness is that John Lennon is like 25. And it's about his life. He's just a kid. Yeah. And obviously it's the melody and the lyric. Now that is the one Beatles song, or there might be just a couple,

where Paul and John remembered it differently. So Paul remembers, you know, there's the middle eight, lovers and friends. I went before. I love you more. So Paul feels like he was a big contributor or an important contributor. It's very Lenin. You know that that first part is so Lenin. You know, there are places I remember, you know, just, but that's one we're going to have Paul back on.

Oh yeah. We're going to ask Paul to come back on. I want to get Ringo on too. Because when they came out of the gate after the Beatles, I don't think it was John or Paul that had the first hit, was it? I thought Ringo sort of came out big and no one expected it. And so did George Harrison. Is that true? No. Okay. But they were...

Thank God it wasn't Paul. I was saying this bullshit too. I just remember that Ringo, I think would have been the one they wouldn't have expected to have done from. And then he had Photograph, which is a fucking killer. Oh, that was in the 70s. Ringo had Ringo, a true star, I think it was called. And only 16. He had big hit albums for sure.

But back at the beginning, you know, they had Pete Best and they had to let him go. And they, Ringo always was a fan of theirs. Like in Hamburg, Ringo is with Rory and the Hurricanes and he would hang out at the club. Bronson was in the fan club. He just liked them. And Paul and John would bring the songs to Ringo

and George Harrison in the early days. It goes like this, goes like this. And then Ringo's genius was picking the perfect drum thing to that song. Dum dum. They were like my brothers. They were like my brothers. You know, my brothers. Who had the first hit after the.

You got balloons. Who had the first hit when the Beatles broke up? Go. Obviously I don't know. The first mega hit was, I think- Band on the run? No, George Harrison's All Things Must Pass. His double album is still the number one selling post-Beatle album.

And he had a hit with My Sweet Lord. Oh, that was a fucking killer. Yeah. McCartney did, had massive hits. Enringo and John. I mean, if you look at dream number nine and Imagine and Watching the Wheels, you know, Lennon had his, you know, I love that song.

I'm just sitting there watching the wheels go down and round. Now, what Gervitz took me to see Beatles, not Beatles, but a McCartney and Wings, killer. What year was that? Hey, I'm sorry, am I rich? We're sitting up close, I'm sorry. Are these good seats? Must have been the Wings.

Wings broke up in the 80s, I think, as a band, but the latest incarnation of Paul McCartney's. Really, I couldn't have seen Wings at the beginning? I thought, this is worth people in the comments. I thought Paul McCartan Wings was in, it was, it's banned as a name of a band, but you know. Well, I would have been, I can't even say these numbers, it's too embarrassing. But okay, let's do a few stories and then I'll leave. Should I do any stories? Yeah. Oh no, we got to do, should we just

bring out our guests and end it there? Yeah. And just so that, just so people know and more of a tease, don't, don't do the laundry right now. Oh, I don't do laundry right now. We're just going to discuss a little bit the recession that's happening for all the different people who work in Hollywood, not the movie stars. And so Rob's very, he has some insight into that. He does his hit game show in Ireland for a reason. It's much, you know, listen to the podcast.

That's- Yeah, and I'm gonna ask him a real question. Is Bulgaria a real place? Cause I always hear that country and I got into my head, I couldn't find it on a map. Dana, I'm a little bit of a spendy Susie. I am a boozy Susie and a spendy Susie. Yeah, I'm more of a boozy Susie. But yeah, you are you are a spendy spender.

Yeah. And a lot of our listeners are nice enough to write in and say, you look like you drank a lot and slept on your face. But that's just constructive criticism. Well, it's very concise and you don't really drink very much. I'll tell the fans.

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I mean, let's, you know, Rob Lowe literally. Rob Lowe literally, which is in season 11. Oh yeah, we also say manager, we always talk about Gerbitz. Gotta get the money, Rob Lowe likes money. You don't like money. I was just on the phone with him. I said, I gotta go, you know, go help team Gerbets with the two star clients.

He didn't call me like that. You are the star client, cause you're a hard worker. We like to take naps and take months off at a time. You actually work. What is it? He goes, Rob Lowe, he always made money for his partners. Likes money.

Yeah, Rob Lowe. He always tells me I could tell Rob Lowe and he'd say yes right now. You don't like to do anything. He, you hate money. Yeah, I guess you just don't like money. Rob, I just did a thing. I ran into Shaquille O'Neal and he goes, I don't know if I like that sweater you got on. I go, this is teal, man.

It's for real. And teal's a very expensive color. I tried to trick him and he goes, man, you walk around trying to look like Rob Lowe. Why would you? No way. Why would you? For real.

Oh, that's so. Isn't that funny? The last thing I saw Robbie was running on the beach with his shirt off. Cause of course I go on Daily Mail because I'm addicted to the madness. And it's not, you don't look average. You don't look normal. No. You look, you're looking good.

He goes to that Tom Cruise, like whatever that is. Tom Cruise. I love Tom Cruise. The guy's brilliant, but he doesn't take his shirt off anymore, does he in movies? No, a little. Well, because he's smart. I took a lot of shit. I was like, you did?

Really? God damn it. I would, you know, it's like, I said frame it correctly. Like there's a certain level with which the framing reveals, you know, that I'm in my third trimester. Yeah, I'm, you know, of life or your pregnancy. But my my donut belly. You were coming right at the camera.

The side angles are the worst. You can look in the mirror, look at yourself and go, damn, then go side angle. Whoops. That's where all the sins are. You know, Tom Cruise runs with his hands straight up and down like this for less wind resistance. In case he has to cry and drop somebody. And he usually runs for about roughly 15 to 20 minutes through every movie in a full sprint every take.

Yep. I'm like, okay. Well, I want to ask Rob. He knows his way around the movie business. And I have a question for you because I would say if I ran into Tom, I'd say the most impressive thing if it's real is not hanging off the airplane. It's sprinting with that kind of authority at 60 something because the hip flexors, so do you think they do slightly speed it up a little bit?

And... No, I was, Tom and I, I think both, I think I could be wrong, but I think we both initially learned to run from Emilio Estevez's running coach. There's a guy named- I like how you're the only one that calls him Estevez. Because it's for the outsider? What movie was this? This was, it would have been post outsiders and it was a guy named Milan in Milan, Tiff, and he won the triple jump. Okay.

He was in the 1968, famous 1968 American Olympic team. You know, the next- Oh, right. Next-to-go city where he went 29-2. Bob Beeman. Set the record. I guess the triple jump may also have been a world record or close. Yeah, I'm not sure if he won there, but he was on that team.

And then, in any way, we were all training with Milan and he was a big, the hand thing was the big thing. And then he also make it a flap, by the way. There's this, and then you make it, like you make it a little flap. You flap down? Yeah, like dolphin move. Yeah.

Hey, what about this breakfast club reunion? Why don't you guys have an outsiders reunion? Um, well, we're doing, you know, we're doing St. Elmo's Fire part two. We are going to do that. What a breakfast club reunion. Why don't you guys have an outsiders reunion? Well, we're doing St. Elmer's Fire part two. We are gonna do that. What? What? Uh-oh, we just trended. Thank you.

Thank you, Rob. Thank you, thank you. No, you are St. Elmer's Fudd. St. Elmer's Fudd. And everyone's coming back for this? Everybody's coming back. I mean, we gotta get the script right. I mean, we've all get the script right. I mean, you know,

we've all been there for that one. Have you got a draft that you read and said, No, no draft yet. It's due any day. You were never really a Brett Pack guy per se, right? Because you had too many other things going on. I don't consider you part of it, but you crossed over with it or were you? I mean, I think I, I mean, I know this, that I'm on the cover of that New York magazine article that coined the Brat Pack. Oh, okay, so then you were part of the Brat Pack. Oh yeah.

I mean, as much as I would like to deny it, but you know what, I think it's cool. I think having a- Totally. A name like- It's cool. Having a name. It's great. Those are great movies. John Hughes movies. Great movies. Great hooky name for your club. Mayor Winningham, Allie Shiede. She's a great actress. Allie Shiede.

I know it all. You know, she was in the St. Elmer's Bud. Yeah. Now that's good. But did you all. You know, she was in the St. Elmer's Bud. Yeah. Now that's good, but did you see this breakfast club? That was kind of cool. It was great. It was so cool to see them on stage. I haven't been able to see or find

the entirety of the interview. I've only seen the clips, but it was super, super sweet to see everybody together and hear them talk about the movie. It's a clips world. Which one of those, if any, have blocked you? Go ahead. All of them.

Anthony Michael Hall has blocked you. That I find hard. He is a nice dude. I say that the 50th. He is a very nice dude. Did you have him on literally? We had him on Fly. I did, he was great.

He was great. And... Charming, smart. Yep. Yeah. great actor, always was a great actor. He's amazing in that movie. Breakfast Club for me is the best of that moment in time. That movie holds up. Very cool idea. Captured that high-ghast of the 80s perfectly.

That was the one. Teacher Paul Gleason was great. Mm-hmm. Oh, major. Fucking grab some wood, bub. Why they don't make movies like that anymore. I don't even like it. It's all dog shit.

How about they don't? How do you like that? I'll sign you up for a movie like that. You want to do a movie? Sorry, go back into Gerbets. All right. Now, Rob, we were going to talk to you a little bit about the state of the state because nothing too heavy because we're all a bunch of idiots.

We literally don't know. Well, it started with his comment about the floor. It's hard to interject, but that was interesting. Yeah. Right. The floor is shot on Mars with the space origin. It's easier for us to shoot on the outer rings of Mars. No shit.

Than it is. It turns out that that's less cost prohibitive than shooting it in Los Angeles. You know, I will tell you this, Rob, just to for sure interrupt you. Yes. Well, I did a game show, which those game shows are kind of interesting

because they can always come back. Like a Snake Out, Snake Eyes. Snowy Coil. No, don't do that. Uh, Snake Oil and uh. You know, David, the thing is you need to be careful when you wear a hat on a, on the one sheet. Is that, is that a Lorne thing?

It should be, because it's true. I saw you in the straw hat boater and I thought- Oh, that's right. I had a straw hat going, a snake or- Riverboat gambler, maybe, not sure. You know, it's the hat and cane thing. It's very stubby K. It's very early Minnie Mouse.

It's fine if you're Hugh Jackman and you're the music man. But if you're- This is your best, Lauren. I haven't heard you do it in a while. It's actually- He's admonishing me for my poster. Yeah. But to get out Hugh Jackman was, that's where,

cause it fits Lauren's rhythm to Hugh Jackman. Unless you're tap dancing. It's rhythm. So you're Jackman, you know, it's just. Unless you're tap dancing. It's fine if you're Clu Jackman. But I think what you'll find is you're not. And you don't want to be Clu Gallagher before 1960. So only Rob knows who Clu Gallagher is. I do not know who that is. I like the idea though.

How does Tarantino do it? He gets these guys from nowhere. He puts Clue Gallagher in what, I don't know if it was Once Upon a Time, but whatever. But anyway. It is Once Upon a Time. My story was so rudely, rudely made fun of. David, it's your turn. It's not really any story.

It's kind of like Rob's. The funny thing about that was we met one night to talk about doing the game show. First of all, these guys are all great, except Fox. And then they said, you know, we talked about what it would be and it's sort of kind of an interesting idea. And they go, we do it in LA, which is not that hard. And I was like, great. So the next day we go to make the deal and Garvitz goes, okay, here's the deal points and you shoot it in Ireland. I go, wait, this wasn't even 24 hours later, Mark. It's been already been moved to Ireland. I go, wait, this wasn't even 24 hours later, it's been already moved to Ireland. So the joke was, you're hoping Tarzana, like what Rob said is that they just said,

well, it's cheaper. And the bigger picture here is I get a lot of complaints and a lot of concerns. Of course, we've got a lot of talented makeup people here. We've got a lot of union guys. Why aren't we doing more here? And it's really a big problem that everyone kind of skim jobs over, but it's a problem. And people are leaving town. This is what I'm here for. I've been able to, a number of times say,

if I'm doing it, I'm going to do it only in LA. I did that with 911 Lone Star. That was going to move to, it was going to be in where it took place in Texas. It was going to be in Austin. And I was able to keep that production. That's unreal. Five seasons, right?

Five seasons. I was, I turned down an amazing series that was gonna shoot in New York. I asked them to move that to LA and they couldn't do it. So they just didn't make it at all. And because we know those people that make the movie business work, the technicians, the grips, the electrics,

the drivers, the caterers. Make up care. They all moved here for one reason. Everyone's here because it's Hollywood, it's Tinseltown, and we're losing that. And we can't just have high taxes and crime. You gotta have something to offset it. And it's like, oh, it's Hollywood. We make movies, we gotta be here.

And it's hard to keep arguing that when they keep going. We gotta make it, incentivize it. Right. And listen, it's not like California is gun shy about throwing money at people. No shit. I mean, I like, my favorite is the way they draw the line here. Exactly. We'll throw money at every class of person that's ever been invented. But when it comes to the people that make Hollywood go, that's the most famous thing about the country, I think they're going to have to prove their power.

Right. Here's 20 billion for homeless. Actually, we lost, but it's somewhere. And then they go, Hollywood, you're going to get 750 million. Are you excited? I'm like, for the whole fuck, we can't have a B in front of it. Nothing? That's like four shows.

You do one avatar, that's 400 million. Well, and also you don't know if you're going to get it. That's the other thing. That's really the other thing because you can't even... What are you going to do? Go into casting, pre-production, all of that stuff, hoping you literally actually win the lottery? And it is.

Is that what it is? Yes. It's bananas. It's like, me and look, don't get me started on the state of the state. This is the idea to get started. There is one metric that is a little, a sidestep I read about,

that the cost of living in LA, for all the people we're talking about, a basic home is about a million bucks in Los Angeles County. I believe that. And so that's another driver of people kind of going, I don't know if actually all these people who make movies, the grips, the crews,

whether they're moving out of state, cause while there's more production in Atlanta, so I'll just, I'll step outside that thing. But it has to be a cause to live, but it'd have to be someone taking it on and funding it. We have to at least match the incentives, which there is a bill at the state assembly. Yeah, even if it's a push.

Yeah, there's a bill now that apparently is going to be really, really helpful. My understanding of it, and I haven't read the bill itself, but my understanding of it is that it would make California at least on par with New York. Yeah. New York has more than us, right? Right now. Oh, God, yeah. Because I never hear any, I hear Boston a lot.

I hear New Orleans. I hear Austin. There's a lot where they're making it very easy. And then- There's also things like this is where, you know, there's there's enough blame to go around equally. And look, I'm I'm a believe the IAPC crew are the greatest. Artisans and technicians in the world.

But the unions, I think, also have to come to play ball. I just saw a study of a movie that was granted. I don't know how long the shooting schedule would have been for because that would affect the number but their number for their gripped grip department, which for those of you who don't know the grips are the people that build the sets, move the walls, do all the construction, the budget was $59,000 for run of the movie in Hungary. In LA, it's $59,000 for the key grip. And how many grips average? I mean, 10, 12.

You can see why, you know, if your goal is to get your movie made, your goal is to get your movie made. Right. Yeah. We did a small movie, Busboys, that Theo and I wrote, and we, I asked, can we do it in LA? And Theo was nice enough to say, because he's out in Nashville, spends a lot of time in Austin. And we were talking about Austin, and I said, is there any way we can do it here? I know it's just a drop in the bucket, it's a small movie, but just the idea we're doing it here. And selfishly, I like it here, but it's also like, I gotta practice what I preach, I gotta try. Some movies are set other places, and it's hard to cheat.

But it's hard to cheat Hawaii if you're in L.A., you know, whatever. But we did it here, and every single person in that crew is coming up going, I love that you guys are doing it here. I love it, because we have nothing. Everyone's scraping by and I think we're not here to really complain and bitch about anything. We're just trying to say, people should just know

about this and I don't even know the easy fix. There's no easy fix, but fuck, it's Hollywood. The other thing I would add is we're going to be fine. We have the ability to go to different places and do things like that. And we fight to keep it in LA. And sometimes we have the weight to do it. Other times we don't. And these subsidies don't go to the stars.

They're not subsidizing you or me or what they are subsidizing. They're the working men and women that make this industry work. And I think that there can be a misconception. It's like, oh, these, you know, very famous actors are getting subsidized. It's not us that's getting subsidized. It's the people that need it, the people who are getting crushed. I think 18,000 jobs have been lost in the last few years. We had the pandemic and then we had sort of a recession and we had the strikes and I don't have enough information to know the input of that, whether some of the studios said, okay, we get that. We'll

just go to London. We'll go to Ireland. So it is very complex, but those are the people talking about who laid down roots in LA have worked here for maybe multiple generations and the work is really dried up. It's a severe recession in the interior of that business. I mean studios have never been this actual physical studios are just sitting there. So we you know we want to keep it and we want to do it in the smart way but I if Rob wants to run for May or next time the cycles up I'm you know Karen Bass is you know she's doing fine but I think that I way, but if Rob wants to run for mayor next time, the cycle's up. You know, Karen Bass, she's doing fine, but I think that I would support. He hasn't read this bill, so it'll fit right in.

Great. I'm already half in. I haven't read what's in it, but I like it. I love it. Yeah, I'm with you guys. Like, the three of us don't get affected as much. Even Busboys, we funded ourselves. So it was a little more, but at that level, it wasn't that much more. But when you get these budgets that are, you know, 50 million, obviously these movies are getting bigger and bigger and 50, 100 million.

The sort of competitive threshold is 30%. You can get 30% of your back. It's that high, wow. Yes, that's sort of the stamp. That's basically Atlanta, England, Hungary, Canada. And look, it fluctuates a little bit. Sometimes it's a little bit less, sometimes a little bit more.

My favorite is now is, hey, you're gonna go shoot in Toronto. And then you get to Toronto and they go, well, actually you're shooting it in Hamilton. Is that outside of Toronto? That's the new Toronto. There's no, Hamilton is the new Toronto because there's even more money to be picked up, even more nickels, more nickels lying under the maples up there in

Hamilton because you're 60 miles outside of Toronto. So even Toronto is not good enough now. I mean, the bean counters finally have their way with us. We literally will be shooting in space. You know, Dan, I always say raccom after I say like a 10 out of 10 joke. That reminds me of Rakuten. If you're shopping while working, eating, or even listening to this podcast, then you know and love the thrill of the hunt.

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with that tax credit, say you're gonna make a movie and your budget is 10 million and you go to one of these countries with this tax break, all of a sudden you have maybe 30, you have 15 million in a sense to spend. Okay, so that's- Right, on actors, on housing. I mean, I think, I forgot.

Well, the other thing- Also what it does, oh, Rob, this is what I was gonna say, sorry, is that the benefits are, let's say you're doing it in Boston, we did grownups out there. The benefits are, there's a tax break for the city, which they have to cover, but everybody comes to stay in their hotels,

they make money, everyone goes to eat every night, they make money. You're going around the city, you're buying groceries, everything is being helped in that city and that's the idea to get you there. And then you see the city, maybe you wanna move there one day. So all that is a plus,

so that's kind of how they rationalize it. But here we have so many facilities and so many ways to make a movie, make it really, really easy. And then it just starts to dry out. And I'm not gonna say it's fully gone, but it is a red alert. And distress. I mean, it is our tax base.

It creates a lot of revenue and it is global fame. It's a global attraction. Although I mean, the Hollywood side is still there. But the ecosystem of it, the car wash that goes out of business, the smaller restaurants, the catering companies that go out of it. Catering for sure. Yeah. It trickles down the way that people don't't really understand they think Hollywood and to think stars. And it really isn't about that. It truly isn't because like I said, we'll always

get the phone call to go somewhere. But you know, my, my guy that does all the wardrobe for my show or who does, you know, does all the lighting. That phone is not ringing. And they got kids in school and it's brutal. It's brutal. Yeah. So something will be done because it has to be done. And who could be listening to this podcast? Governor Newsom.

Who can do something? What are your analytics like on this podcast? Who's listening? Who's in that like, could they give you that sample a year? Single women under 25. No, it's, we have a mature audience, people who vote and pay taxes and you know, I'd say.

No, we have a pretty older crowd. It's probably split down the middle, men and women. And we have a good crowd. In all seriousness, since we're doing it, if you're listening to this in California, and you're so inclined, pick up the phone and call your congressman. Or more importantly, your state your state representative, because right now it's a state issue. So call your your state

representative really, it's just email them, drop them a line. That really moves the needle. People always think, Oh, I'm just one person. But you know, they, you know, I was on, I was on a show called the West Wing, and I learned a little bit about politics, and they have a metric, it's probably changed in the 25 years. But if one person phone calls, they look at it mathematically. That that means that is the way that at least 10 other people are feeling

who didn't fall. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Well, what about the governor? Is that another, is that a place to start too? Yeah, it seems like, it seems like he's on board with this now, but he's going to need the votes. That's my understanding. So I think we, we, I think the governor is on board, but we're going to need the votes. I've seen, like I said, I think there are people that don't want to help Hollywood, even in California.

I mean, Hollywood does a great job sometimes of stepping in it and making us all look like buffoons. And sometimes it comes back on us. And then I think that there are people that don't want to throw a lifeline to what they consider Hollywood. Frivolous. Yeah, it has a bad image, doesn't it? Yeah.

Listen, you watch enough award shows and I can understand. These pampered, self-righteous, clueless morons. Ricky Gervais said it all at his famous speech. Oh my God. One of the great and funniest moments you could ever see on a YouTube clip. I could never not love it. Thank you God and fuck off.

You know nothing. You've been nowhere. You know nothing. You've seen nothing. People tell you what to say. They tell you where to go. They tell you what to wear. Don't tell us anything about anything. So get your little award. Thank you, God, and fuck off. Well, maybe we'll let Rob go because it's very nice to jump on and talk to us. Rob, we miss you. Just quickly. Anything else? I mean, you always have so much going on.

Don't you do another podcast? No? Whatever. You can literally do seven things. No, no, no. Literally is going strong. I'm loving doing it. Whatever you get your podcast. I started

really paying attention to filming it like you guys do. Which is a bummer because now I have to make sure my toupee is... Oh, I'm sorry. I meant my hair. I'll give you my guy. You're the one who said the best hair in Hollywood in history. Who has it? Well, I think I thought it was Richard Gere, but you said it was someone else, something O'Brien, I think. I don't know. Maybe I'm transposing different.

Conan's hair is pretty fucking good. Conan's hair on the Oscars was amazing. That's my hair. That's my hair girl. Oh, she did a great job on it. I like on one specific thing. He was great on the Oscars sometimes on his podcast. It's not his best day, but he's always great.

But he was great on the Oscars. Yeah, I love him. He's gonna do it. You always have. Look at mine's not too bad today. They get mad when I say I look at my hair, but Dane and I were arguing that when you're in here, my face looks all bright from the goddamn light in my eyes.

And then the hair, but the hair's got a little flip to it. Yeah. Rob has such good hair, he covers it up. He doesn't give a shit. And I'm like, fuck, if I had that hair, I would never put a hat on again. I know that's a great irony is I've got good hair, but I do like my, well, when the Dodgers win the world series,

I got a sport. Yeah, they got a good chance. They're pretty good. Oh, didn't you have the hat that said NFL on it or something? I got a sport. Now they got a good, they got a good chance. They're, they're pretty good. Didn't you have the, uh, the hat that said NFL on it or something? Just go teams. It's actually funny. Go teams.

Go teams. I want everybody to win. We did, uh, we did one movie up in Toronto, but we were pretty much in Toronto. I did two in Toronto. It was a Tommy boy story. Tommy boy was in Toronto. And I'll tell you another thing, all of the Brat Pack movies you talk about,

all of those, all John Hughes movies were in Chicago. That was cool, yeah. They were in Chicago, yes, there were tax breaks. There's always been tax breaks. This is not a new thing. No. Which has gotten way, way, way, way, way out of control. Yeah. Global thing now.

But there was a thing where every, but everything shot in Chicago for, in out of control. Yeah. Global thing. But there was a thing where every, but everything shot in Chicago for in the eighties. Um, but it wasn't it for every one movie that shot in Chicago, there were still five or 10 shooting. Yeah. And this is a Chicago backdrop too, to some of those blues brothers out there. Yeah. John uses there. He was there. Yeah. I have one question before we let you go. Do you literally no pun intended or whatever? Does the show the floor take a hundred Americans and put them up in Dublin or where?

So you import this and obviously they don't have Irish accents when they win or they come up and that's still cheaper to bring a hundred people and put them up. Yes. And and listen, Gordon Ramsay did all the all his master chef stuff was in Ireland for years. Some of it still is. But you would be I think I think beat Shazam. I mean, it's, beat Shazam. I mean, it's, right now, they do it,

first of all, they do it very, very well. They know what they're doing, they're top of their class. The experience is great and I love it. But at the end of the day, I, you know, I would like to, you know, keep our industry alive if we could, but at the end, listen, these companies have a fiduciary responsibility. They're not in the charity business. They never will be, they never were. And I get why they flee California. By the way, all

businesses, California makes it impossible. California makes it impossible to do all those things. If you're a successful business, you're kind of sort of on the enemies list. They don't like that. Yes, 100%. How do we squash it? I'll tell you what you do. Nobody changes until they're in enough pain.

Whether you're, whatever your thing is in your life, change is hard. A lot of times it requires tough choices. Facing truths you don't want to face, whatever your thing is in your life, change is hard. A lot of times it makes, requires tough choices. Facing truths you don't want to face, whatever it is. And it takes being in enough pain to do it. Maybe our industry and California in particular is in enough pain to finally make some changes to what is unsustainable, absolutely unsustainable.

Absolutely, and just compete in the free market. You know, we've got places to compete. finally make some changes to what is unsustainable, absolutely unsustainable. Absolutely. And just compete in the free market. You know, we've got places to compete. Let's keep stacking the things we've done. Whatever they're doing, we should do. Like, let's make it an even playing field. When Chuck Chaplin, when Chuckie Chaplin came to LA and in the Hollywood Renaissance there and Buster Keaton, they like the weather they like, you know. I mean, those are romantic times, but we just have to compete and I know we can. And I want to thank you both for being on Dana today. This is a sub podcast we have. Now let's start the super fly. Thanks for being on David

and Kelly. Thanks, Rob. Great to see you,. If you ever need any hats. No straw hats. I got the message. This is all about telling me no straw hats. No, the cane was really the bridge too far. I mean, they say hold it for one picture out of a thousand. They only need one. I literally was like, I'll hold this for two seconds.

They're like, we'll never use it. We'll never use it. If you were going to driving down the Fox lot and you see that huge. Is that Jiminy Cricket? You're like, hey, is that Jiminy Cricket? Was that also a chicken in the background? Nice try, Rob.

Let's not make it worse than it was. There was no chicken. I think there was a farm animal. I said no to the chicken, I think. I'm just saying, if you're listening to this podcast, please Google Baby Spade, Snake Oil, and that campaign. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Lauren had a whole dinner. I'll give you that one. I'll give you that. Oh, it's a career killer. All right, Rob. You know, David, the other thing is Barbershop quartet is a line that doesn't scream comedy. It sings it.

Uh, okay. That's enough out of Rob. I'm now eating that. Okay. Thanks, bud. Bye, crazy men. This has been a presentation of Odyssey Superfly as executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss Berman of Odyssey, Heather Sant executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade,

Jenna Weiss-Berman of Odyssey, Heather Santoro and Greg Holtzman. Hope you liked it!