Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Taran Killam

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

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Thank you. They pulled me from hair and makeup. They pulled me. I love authentic spade is my favorite spade. Yeah, look at me. Yeah, it's awesome. It's a little dark. Sharp, good.

No, there's texture. There's contrast. Taryn looks the best. Dana looks like a best because it's awesome. It's a little chart. Yeah. Sharp. Good. No, there's texture. There's, there's contrast. Taryn looks the best. Dana looks like a best cause it's bright. And do you have the blur background? Uh, no, I it's a good camera, but I do have the touch-up filter on.

Yeah. You know, pours 26. So I don't know. Yeah. We were, if we could videotape this, I mean, your new nickname is high school senior. Yeah. Shave the beard and go out, just go out.

Yeah, the beard is fake so I can get booze. He was a family man that went back to high school. He had a beard when he was 13. Invest in Apple. Trust me. Yeah. Damn. That's too close to home. I was told to do that in 2003. And I told the guy to fuck off. I said, no, take your Apple stock ideas. It will never work.

Dana, you're the anti forest gum. You go back and get bad advice. What is that obvious now? You know, what's what's the we can't tell right now because everything's just like, whoa. It's going to be exactly it's going to be a tech that that I don't even understand. I got all my money in female space missions. OK, you're doing very well.

I have one for one. I've. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Well, we can talk about that if you want, but we'll come back. I just went straight into the divine feminine, just all divine feminine. That's the future. No, I'd go to space. I'd go to space. Wouldn't you go to space?

Sure. It's seemingly like the uproar is like how they talked about going to space. Like they weren't acknowledging of the jet fuel enough, but I'd go to space. Like they weren't acknowledging of the jet fuel enough, but I'd go to space. Well, the tension is that any rocket could blow up any second in the takeoff phase. I guess that would make me nervous. And that's the, you know, oh, sorry, it was a fuse.

We didn't trade it out. If we lost Gale that way, I'd never forgive us. Never. Can you imagine if Oprah just went full Oprah, if that thing exploded and she started beating the shit out of Bezos. Oh my God. That's her like John Wick movie.

She becomes a one Oprah army. They try to pull her off. Anybody who drives a cyber truck suddenly ends up dead. You want some of this, Oprah? But anyway, I like the Jeff Bezos. Everything in his whole ecosystem looks like a dick, like the spaceship does the swoop on Amazon does his head, his actual head, his own head. Sorry. I don't. His leader surprisingly doesn't.

It is. No, it's it's more square square. It's more chode like they're rich and famous. It's fun to shit on them. They're fine. They're fine, man. But seriously, would you go on the rocket? Yes. Because we could do an SNL alumni rocket. Oh yeah.

That's what we should do. All right, troops. Get ready. Fred Armisen, you'll be in the blue chair. Who's your dream cast? Like no, who's your dream SNL astronaut, no, who's your dream SNL astronaut? Yeah, who's your dream rocket cast? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Actually, I would cast you as an astronaut. I'll take it. Because you could, you could act and you could play it and you could play that kind of, whatever you call that astronaut vibe. I'll take it. Dana, I didn't know this was gonna be an hour of my heroes complimenting me,

but I would have signed up faster. Well, it kind of is. It is. Well, we didn't know this is going to be an hour of my heroes complimenting me, but I would have signed up faster. Well, yeah, you can run, but you cannot hide. Sorry, Ten, Killiam. We're about to put a bookmark. You could use your bland bachelor sort of character to go up in space to be the everyman. Exactly. I just watched bland bachelor. What was it called? The Selena Gomez. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I remember that. How often does it happen where people bring up sketches that you have no memory of? It's never not happened. Yeah. It's funny because I said, I will remember everything I did on SNL. And I wasn't like super sketch guys. So I was in like one or two a show and I still cannot remember half of them.

Yeah. I remember my first week very well. And Seth being at the table talking about seeing an episode on BH one or whatever. And he's like, it turned it on and Amy Puller was in it. And I was like, oh, I must've been changing backstage. I don't remember this sketch. And he walked onto the screen. He was in the sketch.

And I remember thinking to myself, that'll never happen to me. There's no way I will remember every second of this. Well, 127 shows is the main metric that I read. So probably because you were ubiquitous on the show, 400 sketches. Yeah, probably. Maybe 500. Half of those high school astronauts. The high school astronaut. That's a- Addendum.

I have some film ideas for this dude before we get done, but let's go through his- Yeah, basically. Let's go through it. Listen to my addendum, Dan. We can transition into a pitch meeting. I was at the good nights. I saw a clip the other day

and it was when Nirvana was on either, I don't know which time, but I guess Kerklebane had purple hair and he turned around and started making out with Chris Nolliseck or Dave Grohl. And it was a big story. And you pull back and I'm standing right there, you know, in the back waiting to hug someone

or get it over with. Not really watching them kiss. And I'm like, I do not remember being on the good nights and I do not remember seeing them kiss. And I'm like, I do not remember being on the good nights and I do not remember seeing them kiss. And that was scary because that was actually something that happened instead of just being in the background of a sketch or something. So I realized it does happen. It's very real. We're talking about it is getting deep, heavy and real, but I keep heavy and real

Dana's new special heavy and real. No, I know someone says that, you know, when you hug people on the good nights, it's kind of interesting. There's a traditional amount of hugging and hugging pressure. And then there's more pressure and longer. And like, geez, I didn't know you felt this way about me. It's like Heidi Gardner. It's fascinating to like,

she feels that way about everybody. She's a lover. She's a lover. She is. She is. Adorable. It's a lover. She is. She is. Adorable. It's fascinating how people project onto the good nights. The only thing I would do is that when the beat would drop in the drums, I would jump

into the air and people caught onto that. But that was a fun tradition. Oh, that's cool. But otherwise, it's... Yeah, it was nice. And not always on camera, so sometimes you just see a shoulder hopping in the frame or whatever. But it's so funny how people read into it like, oh, look, they're they didn't hug. They're angry. Yeah, they skip.

This is the host walks right by you to hug someone next to you. Oh, on camera. Burn, burn. Shame. So you would go to the back and then snake your way toward the lens or would you say, I, it depends. I wish I would, like a regret is I wish I'd stayed in costume more. Cause those are my favorite good nights to see. Oh yeah.

Especially when the 10 to one got cut and you're just like, Oh yeah. Why, why is there some like robot clown on, on? Holding a hot dog. And it doesn't make sense. What was that? You're dressed like a llama. The best part is when you're still in your costume,

you're like, barely made it to good nights. Yeah, exactly. It's the show, it's live, folks. Yeah, I do, I love it. Yeah, but in terms of like any who hugged me who didn't, like so much of, just speaking for myself, like I'm in my own head about my week. Like I literally don't care about anybody else.

Who did you hug the most though? Was it the host or was it- That's a good question. Was Kristen Wiig there? Probably Vanessa Bayer. Oh, Vanessa Bayer. Kristen and I overlap. Kristen and I knew each other before the show too,

so she was always very kind to me. Ooh, at the good, good, good, good groundlings? Yeah, Big G. Ooh, Big G's in the house. You're the coolest. The groundlings are the coolest because they just come in loaded. They've already done sketch comedy.

We're standups. We're playing Greasy Spoons and shit boxes. It's literally cheating when you go to read through the first day and I go, this guy will suck. And then they got a fucking perfectly buffed out Groundlings sketch. Like a perfect sketch. You can take it from Groundlings and put it on 8H and old Jed's a millionaire.

It is the best training in terms of like the structure. Like there is no other comedy platform. You know, Second City is pretty close and similar, but Groundlings, especially the Sunday company is like new show every Sunday, pitching ideas. But I love what Chris Rock says about it in that like standup people come in and they know how to write jokes.

That is the difference. That's the difference is that like the joke, that was something I struggled with. Groundlings are character based, so it's behavioral comedy, right? Like to pare it down. And the standups, I was always so envious and covetous of just knowing.

I'm bad at jokes too, Tarrant. How to get laughs, how to get laughs. That's helpful. I don't know how to write jokes. Spade's a great joke writer, monologue writer, but he's telling a story and then he has all these laugh points, you call them. But you.

Yeah, little tiny tent poles trying to. You. But sketches are tougher, go ahead. Well, the way, what Tarrant, what you lean in on is what I still find my favorite, where it's like, I did see one, I went through, because that's the cool thing. You too, best of Tarrant, you know? So I will go into a lot of them, but the one with Justin Bieber,

where he says, Gleis, and you're totally carrying this sketch with attitude of the asshole brother who's really fucking with the data of his sister. Aggressively insecure. Who's super aggressive and played all the beats and committed so hard that it was just so much fun to watch. Oh, thanks, man. Yeah, that was a groundling sketch for sure.

Oh, it was? Yeah. And tell me about it, because I didn't see it, but it was just the beats. Yeah, just explain it, do a I didn't see it, but it was with the beach. Yeah, just explain it and do a little bit of the attitude, but no. Yes. So, the premise is that Naseem brings home a boyfriend from college, Justin Bieber, and

he has to meet her older, like way past his prime, still living at home brother, who tries to act intimidating, but it's pretty pathetic and Justin's first line is like, it's Glyce to me. Sorry. It's nice to meet you. I meant to say I'm glad to meet you and it's nice. But I said Glyce and then my guy's like, Glyce, what the hell is Glyce? You sound so stupid.

And then throughout the sketch, all these details about my life. It always comes back to Gleiss. And then he can't let go of it. He can't let go of the one thing he has against this beautiful, charming young man who's come home. Of a jerk and the rhythm in there, it's like a joke in a way that you're going,

Gleiss, all that, and then you kind of break it down again. Oh, no, I'll give me a wrong man. You're a cool brother. Yeah, there's like a big laugh in it that was just me saying, remember? Like. Like I say, Gleiss, and I say, remember? And it had happened 30 seconds ago. Yeah.

He seems pretty cool though. Was he fun that way? He was, yeah, he was young. He was young and he was, he's entering a phase, but I had, I had good experiences with him. Whatever that means. That's a good cloak. Yeah, he's, it was, it was it was like I feel like

it was pre roast post post Belieber documentary. Right. But yeah. But but but you know it's so interesting like the currency in SNL where I'm so desperate for last speaking of laughs. But in many ways it's better to get like a whoop like a to get like the girls screaming, you know, that was like a big big part of like Timberlake's currency and stuff is like they're not necessarily howling or side splitting, but they're just like when they would scream for justice, did you wave also like yeah exactly. Some of it's for me. Some of it's for me. It's kind of a split crowd. I won't point to which ones because I'm humble, but part of this is for me for sure. Yeah. All right. Well, did you and Bieber... Bye guys.

No, no. I just don't... Oh, sorry. I got all these lists. We've been on a commercial for the last 12 minutes. We're going to record. We're going to start recording. This is called our warm-up. Now, you should have talked to Bieber about what it's like you understand the quick fame. Yeah, let me lay some things out for you. I'm like, man, I've been there, dude. I just wanna give you some advice. Yeah, I mean, I started on the show a little bit older.

Like I was 28 when I started, which is, I know that Pete and he, Pete Davidson and Bieber connected and we're like, we were friendly for a while. But I was already a dad when I started on the show. So I wasn't very good at like the post hours hang. Yeah. Discover the magic of Bet MGM Casino, where the excitement is always on deck.

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I was there for, I was there for two seasons with Wig and Samberg and then they left after my second season and then Bill, Jason and Fred stayed one more season. And then, and then I did. That long ago, Kristen Wiig was at 212, you're saying? 2012? Yeah. That was when she left? Yeah.

Yeah. Shit. Hey, time flies, man. I mean, my God, I left in 1888, so I guess it's all relative. Yeah. I can see the musket on your wall. Right after the constitution came out, we had one bit of a thing about that. And then I split. So I'm live from New York. It's Saturday night.

Reload. I like when people quit the show for like they got a commercial and they're like, I'm out. I hit the big time. That's it. Now they do commercials of sketches while you're watching the show. And I'm only envious. Oh yeah, the Californians. They have the Californian sketch.

I go, we had to, Kevin Neal and I were forced to turn down a Nike campaign, Just Do It, in 1988. Oh no, it was Halletons and cons? It was gonna be Jazz Do It. So now they're like doing, I mean, I'm so, I'm jealous, but I'm happy for them. Can you ask them again? Can you hit up Phil Knight and be like, Hey, man, we're still pissed. We're still funny. Yeah. Let me tell you something. We still have the sweatsuits and pillows.

They still fit. Hey, man, those guys are evergreen. I wanted to go on the 50th before I got the flu as Hansen Franz. And I just. It would have been awesome. You were so missed. You were so, so missed. I think you guys were fully loaded, but thank you, Taron. I thought you. No, dude. I mean, you are, you are a legend.

I don't know about that. So that it was felt. It was felt. It certainly was. Did I host the show when you were there and you did a Harrison Ford at read through, which kind of impressed me. Yeah. The attempt is I go, who is this? Who is this kid? show when you were there and you did a Harrison Ford at read through, which kind of impressed me. Yeah. I go, who is this? Who is this kid? We got it on. We got it on. You did host and I got to be in a church lady, which was a highlight for me and as Ted Cruz, less of a highlight for me. But then I got Harrison Ford on and I'm such I'm a really big Star Wars nerd. JJ Abrams reached out and he was editing the first new Star Wars like the one that they brought back and he said, Hey, will you do me a favor? I need a line of dialogue off camera by from Harrison.

Oh my God. I can't get him for two months. So we just want it for the real so that doesn't take you out of it. It's like a special effects thing. Will you do it? So I got my plate. You take care of truly you get to the fountain. And like, I got it. That's great. And he used he said he used it up to literally the final mix.

Oh, wow. And Harrison, who the fuck is this? Who the fuck is my house? I get out of my house. He's the coolest man. He's the frickin he is the movie star. He goes, get off my plane. And he goes, get out of my ship.

And he goes, leave my coffee shop. Give me back my stop sharing my parachute. Don't even share my password. Stop being a working girl. That was a good one. You are a whore and milk money. Yeah. Why stop being such a witness?

Can I get a witness? Of course, the iconic, Chewie, get me out of here. Chewie, Chewie, take care of Chewie. Yeah. Chewie, your fleas are getting on me. But you were great, Joey, take care of Joey. Yeah. Joey, your fleas are getting on me. But you were great, Danny. You were a great host. And Spade, you've always been so, so kind to me.

Thank you. The first time we met was like the day that the sand man, and I haven't earned saying that, but I like to say it because that's what everybody calls it. I love that. On grownups two, we came out for a day. Oh, with the car wash? The car wash scene.

Oh, it was one of the best scenes. That was such a fun day and you were so nice to all of us and Schneider was sitting that one out. You were sort of filling us in on why. Oh, he was sitting Grown Ups 2 out. He sat that one out. Oh, yeah. I know.

And then, I don't know if you remember this, David, but at the 40th, you were in the end of the Californian schedule. Oh, that's right. And it was Saturday rehearsal and you and I got to talking and you and I walked up to like the rainbow room to the party together. And you were telling me like beat for beat the Eddie Murphy exchange. Oh yeah. And you're telling me that and you're like, yeah, and I, you know, it was stressful. And, and, and we're sitting at top of the rock. I don't know if you remember this, but I,

I couldn't believe it. It was like, we live in a scenario. We live in a, like we live in, in, in like a matrix, like made up. Yeah. You're telling me the story. You're telling me basically the end of the story, like Eddie came and then he walks in with Brett Ratner.

He walks in over your shoulder and made a beeline for you and shook your hand and you were so gracious to each other and it was such a cool moment that like clearly you made peace and it was all good, but I couldn't believe it. I was like, I'm watching like the made for TV movie. I love it. Simulation, that's what I mean. I saw him at this one too and he was all good, but I couldn't believe it. I was like, I'm watching like the made for TV movie. I love it. Simulation, that's what I mean.

We're living in a simulation. I saw him at this one too, and he was nice again. So I'm sure he's annoyed by that story. It's so dumb, but it's kind of a good little juicy one, even though it's too far back. Is it done now? Is it really done? Or is it still?

It's still 100% done. It still came up like a few months ago. Don't be surprised if you see the two of us in a spaceship going somewhere. Yeah, flying in the rocket together. It was so cool in that moment, like at the 40th, like you were the first person he walked up to and shook your hand, he was so cool.

And it felt good. And it was like, oh, Brett Ratner's here too. You got excited about Brett Ratner. Not quite as excited, but you know. Tell me everything about Rush Hour. Oh yeah, Rush Hour. God, he had to made Rush Hour. Rush Hour.

He's got back end. Chris Tucker to stand up. I just saw Chris Tucker was gonna be like Yamava or something in Palm Springs. I'm like, I would love to watch Chris Tucker do stand up. I don't even know what his stand up is like. Let's have him on this podcast. Cause he's interesting. I would love that.

He did three Jackie Chan movies, 20 million each for the last two. And then he's been a little mysterious in his own lane. But then he came out recently and is doing some. Kind of an interesting move to turn down 20 million for something, for literally anything. And then my only fans fans when it hit 20, I thought I'd stop, but I'm a dig.

Now you just do it for the passion. No, I just do it. Oh, you know who's on Amanda Bynes? You know Amanda Bynes? I was on the Amanda show back. I know that was a trick question. Molly Fetum. I'm only telling you this because she announced it yesterday, but she said, which is smart

upfront, it's not going to be sleazy stuff. Sure. It'll be my day and stuff like that, which is still interesting because she's very interesting, but it's 50. So I did, I did a little stutter step. Yeah. Is that a lot or I don't know only fan. I would say that seems high.

Now you wonder why they're all making 20 million dollars. I don't know how it must be a volume thing. But, uh, oh yeah, Amanda, who you worked with Wayne. How old were you guys then? Yeah, it was my first job literally the last week of high school. I got I got cast on her show. And so we worked together for like three weeks then. And then I went away to college and like, I didn't have an agent anymore.

I was focused on school and they called me back to do more. And they helped me get an agent. Like being on the Amanda show kind of like started my grown up acting career. And we were friends and then we did a movie together Big Fat Liar and she was the best she was it was a very important relationship to me in my life and and yeah she's I was she like how would we when you start what's the Amanda show is she like 11 or like really young she's she's 14 15 when she wouldn't choose and then she got movies

and that was one of the movies she did where like, She's the Man was one of course I remember. Is that what it's called? She's the Man? The soccer one? Yes. Yeah, exactly. Channing Tatum. And hilarious. And I always thought she's so great. So she's one of the most talented people. I think she's one of those people everyone pulls for. Like Britney. Like, yeah, it's a very tough world out here and showbiz

at whatever level and they are at, they were at a high level and yeah, she seems like that age too, like to be a full like Lucille ball, Carol Burnett dynamic and, and, and had the good, you know, how she's truly one of the best, right? And she's good at it. Good at it. Funny, very cute. Yeah. And it's just such a weird world out here that we're, and when they're young, you're right. You just don't know. Ariana Grande, Timberlake. Oh yeah, Ariana Grande.

Just talent. Well, I was going to ask you because you think, okay, high school senior, and then you go do that. Like in the, in the sort of neurosis, fear, paranoia, whatever, how are you mentally navigating show business? Like were you super scared getting on SNL? Or you done so much that you maybe were more confident? I'm just curious.

Yeah, like I started auditioning very young. Like I think I was five years old when I did my first commercial audition and fortunately was not successful at all. I'm Taryn Sag-Aftra. I love milkshakes. Yeah. Yeah. Your mom took you here. Four, six Sag-Aftra.

Sleightly. Buckwald and Associates. That was Buckwald. Is that really what it was? Oh, funny. Son Barth and Benary. But but so like was always adjacent and enough exposure, but without any of the trappings of success, thank goodness.

All the hassle. Don't worry about fame. All that, all that, all that, 20 million. And then in high school, I went to the performing arts high school here in LA, LOXA. And so started doing theater and really loved musical theater in particular and was going to college for musical theater. And then in that sort of like reconnection with the Amanda show and getting representation,

I started auditioning again and on a fluke got mad TV when I was 19. Oh, that's right. Yeah, like just like doing lots of impressions of WB stars and stuff like that. And then my characters were just impressions of my teachers that I didn't like. Who's on with you that we would know right around then? I was there for Sasso's last year and and and Alex Borstein.

And then I was with Mo Collins and Michael McDonald and Stephanie Weir. Artie Lang. Andrew Daly already Artie had come and gone already. I was like the seventh season. So I was like kind of deeper, deeper in. And was just in way over my head and like, what is this? And SketchCon, I'm a theater actor and then loved it so much. And so many of the people, particularly on the writing side that I loved, like Michael Hitchcock and Jennifer Joyce were Groundlings people. So I left MADtv and started taking classes at Groundlings and kind of then had my eye on the prize for SNL.

And SNL became the goal. And did that help you knowing a little bit about, was it similar? Yes. SNL and MADtv, in that they're like, yeah, just in that they're sketch comedy shows. But I think, you know, where MADtv probably had a lot more chefs at the top level, SNL has Lauren, you know, and I think that that's probably the biggest difference of all.

Yes, chef. Ooh, he's got an aura. I just have to back up for a second. So you go in high school, you tell your parents, well, yeah, I'm going to go to high school. And you were living in Big Bear, right? That's right. Okay. Great. Where do you want to go? I want to go to a performing arts high school and I want to pursue musical theater. And you knew this at 17, 18. And they went, yeah, I mean,

And they were in support of it. No, if anything, my mom was encouraging of it. She, she kind of, if anything, my mom was encouraging of it. Her great uncle was Robert Stack and her cousin David Bow was an actor. So she knew. We just. On February 27th, Yamavar Studios, Chris Tucker turns down 20 million. No one knows why. Yamavar Studios. But I love anyone who does an impression, No one knows why. Yamaphos too. But I love anyone who does an impression not well and just says the name, I'm Robert Steck, you know?

And you kind of hypnotize people. I guess that's good. Why are we saying it like that? That's the first thing I think of is, I'm Robert Steck. He did that in his audition. He said one of his audition moments for SNL was, hello, I'm Martin Sheen. And if I don't sound like myself, it's because I have a cold. But if you do think I sound like him, great. And that was the whole bit.

Well, that's for day has his own lane and at SNL, he's the potato chips. He was surprised how big a fan I was of that sketch where him and Sudeikis go shithouse over a bowl of potato chips and just full tilt commitment to drama and crying because he thought he took one of his potato chips. It's just bill for it. The best perk of the job is going on the server and seeing like cut for time sketches and he had a sketch called finders keepers. It was a season finale and Alec Baldwin was the host

and Baldwin is coming back from the beach and he's like, where's my car? I just parked my car here. And Forte has a metal detector at the beach and he's sitting on the hood of his car that's covered in sand. And he's like, sorry buddy, Finders Keepers. And Alec goes, what are you talking about?

That's my car, get off the hood. And I think there's three lines of dialogue in the full exchange. And then Forte launches into a full song called Finders Keepers, losers weepers, it's the law of the beach. And the whole sketch is just this song explaining the rules of Finders Keepers at the beach.

And it brings me so much joy. And it was- It played to silence? It was pretty quiet, I think. Thank goodness. The nice thing about a musical sketch is the music's playing. So at least it seems loud, like things are happening. There's some decibels being achieved. Some decibels happening. Yeah. How sickening when it doesn't work. Yeah. The worst is when you go in there like that's for a shortcut, but you still walk in the room like this. Huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A 1% old fool. Okay, it's on the right.

Do they think it was so funny that no one laughs? They should do a short film of people coming in, because now they're back into Lauren's office and they glance over and you can tell by their attitude that their sketch is to the right and not on us. They should have a camera in the wall, Dana. When we walked in and my first time they opened, Lauren's, I don't know how they do it now,

but we wait outside, it's so thirsty and gross. And I had my Yakov Smirnov Alphadon, my first update. And Dennis was in there, for some reason Dennis was in there and they opened the door and I see like down and them all pouring out and Dennis puts his hand in me and goes, you can take off the beard spot. And I was like, what? And I walk in there. It's moved over. Is that helpful? Is that a nice thing? No, I would have found out in three more seconds. You can lose the facial hair at this point. Just no one connecting eyes tells you something.

hair at this point. Just no one connecting eyes tells you something. I never housed more handfuls of popcorn than with a cut sketch. And small talk. So who's the host next week? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, act like you're not hurt and kind of clap your hands. Great. Yeah, part of the process. Wayne's World cold open stayed in. Oh, good, good, good. No, I wanted to see it again. Good, good, good, good, good, good, good. Yeah, I got caught. If my stuff was cut, I'd just walk slowly over to Lorne, get right up in his schnoz and go, seriously, dude, I don't think so.

Come on, man. Let's move it back over. Worst mistake. You know, that reminds me, when I tried to get a manager, reminds me of that scenario, and I got Gervance. But back then, Dana, we have the same manager. My goodness.

And back then, it was between him and someone else. And he goes, and do the right thing, just call him. It's always do the right thing. By the way, I never want to do the right thing again, because the right thing never is like the fun thing. And he goes, I wish I could have texted him But now he goes just call him. He's a big boy, you know, and just hey went another way cuz you never know You know, I said hey man, I you know, we didn't work out

I want to try this other guy who knows he might suck and you know Whatever the guy goes you just made the worst fucking mistake of your life And I was like god dang And that scarred me forever. I was not ready for it. And I was new in showbiz going, I don't want to make any enemies. He goes, he's a big boy. He was not a big boy. He's a small boy.

I still feel guilty about that reaction. I have with you. That manager was Dana Carmi. It was. It was. Those breakups are hard. I had one of those two and I got what I got was like, well, yeah, hey, you know, like, like I'm like, I had to break up with someone I'd been with and he's like, you know, listen,

people get jobs and they like to move on and shake it up and some people stay loyal. And that's okay that you didn't want to go through that. And then they throw in, we just had a kid. I have children. Am I going to be here? Have you seen a picture of my baby? That's my responsibility. And my house. Here's my child. Yeah.

Yeah. And here's my chart from my doctor. I'm going to put them on. Oh, your kid? It's militant. Yeah. Tell him. You tell him.

I can't break his heart. Hello, Mr. Spade. I love you. Oh, thank you. Listen, I'm out. Never miss an episode of Lights Out. I would just say. Oh, Mr. Spade, I love you. Thank you. Listen, I'm out. Never miss an episode of Lights Out. I would just say. Oh, you like Lights Out?

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And so my sister would call me to be in the TV guide or wherever. You got critics choice again, man. Congratulations. Critics choice for stars. Yeah, me and my siblings know know the the Ross Perot scat like that can't a finish can't a finish can't a finish can't a finish like we can't a tuna fish can I get a tuna fish no what you want time if you want to make it, I distilled it to Ross Perot's James Brown.

Can I come in on the one? Can I come in on the one? Can I come in on the one? Yeah, it is just a song. But you know, to that, one of my favorite impressions all time is your Matthew McConaughey. And I felt the first time you saw it,

then the second, I saw it a second time and then you were so in the, well because. Bless your soul. Did you audition with it? Praise from Caesar. Sorry, Dan. No, it's better than even a great impression. It's like a character.

It's an extrapolation into a character and you had so many hooks and I wish we could just play it right now because. Oh, thanks. Don't you get reaction to that? I don't, I haven't seen anyone. People like that. Yeah. People like that one a lot. That, that came out of, cause everybody has a McConaughey. Like it's pretty over done. Not like yours. You, you kind of, you own it. I, thanks. It was watching True Detective. I was obsessed with that first season of True Detective and it was so indulgent out there in the stars,

celestial, bing bang, shootin' ground. What do we do when we're cosmic light? You know, it's just like him just like riffing on. That's a good different one. Yeah, it's all these hippie references and all these little sound effects and stuff. Yes, and when he won the Oscar maybe for Dallas Byers Yeah, he's all these hippie references and all these little sound effects. Yes. And when he won the Oscar maybe for Dallas Byers or whatever, he's like, talking out

there to my wolf pack, hunting groups of us, primal, getting the meat, roasting on the spit on the fire, but there's plenty of spots for people to come around. Everyone's like, what's going on? What are you saying? What are you saying? What are you saying? But like he's always so positive too. I always liked doing like positive energy ones because like I would struggle if it was a criticism, you know, or if you were like, no, it's if it was a takedown, it's a little

bit harder. And that was so fun because he was just being full uncut, authentic McConaughey. And I remember writing that one. That's one that like, you know, you sat down for 30 minutes and improvised 50 different wild lines and like people responded to it and then spent six hours and didn't go home and slept on the floor for my rape stomping sketch or whatever. And of course that tanks at the table.

Ah. Yeah, I heard about that bombing. It was a bad one. It was infamous. It got out here. All right, all right. I was I heard about that. People are bombing. It was a bad one. It was, it was infamous. It got out here. All right. I was terrible at pitching too. I, I, I was really bad at the pitch and I actually did, um, because I have like a small role in 12 years of slave, which doesn't make sense to the career trajectory of a sketch performer. I remember that. It was like, Hi, I'm Taron. Heyo. Hey, did you add it? All right.

What are we doing here? We're stealing liberty. We're entrapping people, regressing, making America great again. No, but I, so I did a bit for almost an entire season where I would start to pitch the host on an idea. I was like, well, you know, I know you're in a movie with a plane, so that's great. And I thought we could play pilots because you know, when I was in 12 years of slave, what I found about the process that was most rewarding and then I go really indulgent

and it got some chuckles at first and then it was terrible. And then Brian Tucker had to tell me, he's like, don't do that anymore. Don't do that. Lauren has said something. Don't do that anymore. Why is he doing that? I don't understand all that. That has said something, don't do that anymore. Why is he doing it? That's funny, I mean, she's like, yeah, I don't understand all that. That place can be a little. It made Chrissy Teigen uncomfortable. By the way, when you did Ted Cruz, I don't think I was hosting that time.

I think I was doing Fallon, and then Lauren said, and you'll do Church Lady. He tells you, it's a Thursday. I thought I was flying tomorrow. You'll be in the outfit. You'll wear the Church Lady wig. You wear the dress. You'll wear it on the flight. You'll do clever put downs and Lauren. I know what to do. But the interesting thing about that was that Darryl came on and did the Trump that we all knew before the new Trump. Yeah, which was great. I love. And Darryl was Trump, looked like Trump, incredible Trump,

but then Trump in 2016 just came in with all these different hooks, and all the stuff we see today. And so that's why he didn't, he sort of felt bad that he didn't get to do Trump. Well, it was old, it was Trump from the 90s. It was just very, it was none of the, we're gonna do this and all these different hooks

and we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it. The bragging was all kind of new. My favorite Darrell one was the Domino's pizza commercial. He would do those commercial ones. Like, here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna tell you the thing. And they say, oh, Mr. Trump, can you focus the camera? I think I'm gonna focus to camera. I think I'm going to focus to camera.

I think that was a good idea that I had. Like it was all that bluster. And James, which I just, I just like, I think James Austin Johnson is just a full genius. Like it's amazing. I would watch his videos before he was hired. When he was talking about Scooby Doo and stuff. I would say for people who might get the reference,

he's the Miles Davis of that impression. It's better than an impression. It's got so many, it's like jazz. That you're missing all the hooks. But Darrell's- We did a charity event together where he did karaoke as Trump and is just freestyling in between verse and it's amazing.

He's good at improv as Trump. He's so good. Very hard to do. Yeah. You can give him any TV show from the seven. When he was on our podcast live in Texas, they just, any, any, the Brady Bunch, and then he's right on Trump. He knows that so well.

Peter Brady, Peter Brady likes to criticize himself. He's doing it to get friends. I don't need to do that. No one wants to criticize Trump. Yeah, yeah. But Darrell's feelings were hurt because they went with Alec Baldwin. But I said, that's just a totally different idea and choice. So it wouldn't be a competitive thing. It's just like that was just, you know, I think- But what a weird thing, start off with a cast

member or start off with a big star. I think that's when Lauren finally was like, a cold opening with a big star. I think that's when Lauren finally was like, a cold opening with a big star guaranteed that's not the host is, helps. Yeah. Is it fair? We don't know, but it helps. Well, did that start? Cause I just went and did Biden and before I did it,

I made sure it was Steve Hook. And this, I swear to God, I would have backed out. I said, does anyone want to do Biden on the cast? And be honest with me, cause Mikey Day was doing whatever. And he said, no, no one wants to do it, trust me. So then I did it. But this thing of like, you know,

older cast members and movie stars coming in, did you have some of that? When did that start? It's gone below. It's gone beyond a launching platform. It's now an institution and you have to maintain an institution. And there's equality to that. Right.

I can have Bob Lilfie do the state attorney general or I can have like Matt Damon. Listen, I mean, there's there's so much to speak to to the brilliance of Lorne, you know, having just celebrated the 50th, which was like such a joyful weekend other than your absence. That was probably the biggest blemish. Hey, man, I'll just say it. I'll just going to say it 60th.

That's all I'm going to say. You already booked hotel tickets. We'll use filters. You'll get your neck whoopie taped back. You have to use real glass. That's the trick. But yeah, I maintain, just to start the conversation, that no one else could have done what Lauren's done.

And there were so many episodes of Saturday Night Live, Intrigue, or whatever, where the masters in charge basically would say, you got to do an hour, you got to pre-tape it, you got to change the thing. So, Lauren stayed with the brand, but also was very flexible with the brand. You know, as it changed, the culture changed. So, go ahead. What were you going to say? No, I completely agree with that. I think that's right. And I think that one of the many aspects of his insightfulness as a producer is, you know, you've got to get people talking about you.

And if they're not talking about it, then it's wasted air a little bit, you know what I mean? So I think like a Baldwin hire gets people talking about it gets eyeballs. Now you get it. Yeah, too late. Way too late. We were in the analog stage, early analog, that it was just a small bulletin board with a few letters on it. And now it's blasted on YouTube. So yeah, the paradigm shifted will revolve with the moment. Yeah. Well, I mean, something I love about your podcast and any sort of like SNL focused podcast is it's this free therapy. You know what I mean? To be like, was I a weirdo? Was I? Okay, no, there's at least five more people that had a similar feeling or experience.

And then also inversely like, oh no, I was probably a weirdo about that aspect of the show. But I'm really enjoying the Lonely Island Seth Meyers podcast too, because I, for the same reason, but I also feel that those guys, the Lonely Island, will never get as much credit as they really deserve for adapting the format for a new generation. Right, yeah. Like that's probably the biggest change, speaking to what you were talking about, Dana,

of like, you know, maintaining quality, maintaining its brand identity, and yet now there are four guaranteed pre-tapes per episode. There's a full studio. And they'll get the hosts, they'll do pre-tapes on all day Friday, get them up at 6 a.m. and do a whole pre-tape all day. It is hard. For one sketch. But so that do a whole pre-tape all day. It is hard.

But so that is, yeah, and Andy and his... Lazy Sunday was the beginning of going, wait, what is this? And then, and you realize right away, oh my God, this is what, plus he's a good looking dude. Everything, it was like cool, good looking, video. Then people start watching it, and you're like, they're watching it where?

Like that was beginning of YouTube. I think. Yeah. No, I think you're exactly right. In terms of like an injection of relevancy, no one has had a more direct effect on the show in the last 30 years. It tilted the show.

And I got to get to know Andy better just doing the- It was like a Pete, you know, you need a good looking dude in there that younger people kind of go, oh, why would I watch SNL? Oh, okay. Yeah. They need a reason.

It's just really smart. I do love musical, I would love to be in one. I just do love when Andy's, even the stuff he did recently, not even, the stuff he did recently was fantastic. And it is something fun. Were you in one of those pre-taped? The anxiety video is so smart and he did it for the 40th. It was great too.

The breaking video about people who break. They're incredibly smart, but they're enjoyable. I love those guys. I respect them so much. And I got to, I think like my first week, it was like, I'm going to be in a digital short. I have made it, I have arrived. And I had like one off-camera line

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Is it direct from Lorne? Is it, is it an agent calls an agent or business affairs? How does it work? Yeah, my manager at the time called me, but they were, they were doing the Marty and Maya show during the summer. And I was directing a film that summer. So I was in Canada. And I was wisely or unwisely like, ready to move back to LA ready to be with my family ready to kind of be done with the schedule of the show. And I think probably have made it known not always in the most gracious of ways. And they asked for like an extension that summer. They said, Hey, we need more time. We're producing Marty and Mike before we make our decisions. And I pushed back. I said like, no, tell me now, or let's be done. And through people, it was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they're, it's, they're doing it for everybody. They're doing it.

And, and so we said, okay, with some caveats of other jobs and like clearing my post schedule for editing the film and blah, blah, blah. And they, so we said, okay, two week extension, and then three weeks goes by and you don't hear anything. And then, and then like in the fourth week, my manager calls and goes like, I think I've got good news. And they've decided not to pick up my manager calls and goes like, I think I've got good news. And they've decided not to pick up the contract. That's how it was phrased to me.

I mean, at least you're ready to go and you're not totally blindsided, like moving back to like, I would move home every summer back to LA, lose the apartment, everything, because they just would not tell you. And they wouldn't say, of course, but it's a technicality. They're like, we have no idea. And they wouldn't, you know, encourage you to say, you're coming back. Just let us, you know, so go home. But that is a weird process because Dana, I mean, I don't think Dana had this exactly, but they Dana still has rose petals stuck to the bottom of his skin.

Hey, my God. Hey, once the bitch came out, you know, it anchors the show, I mean, you know, but anyway, I just wanted to say that we've talked to people recently who just auditioned two or three times, and these are great comedians to get on SNL, and really feeling such regret

that either they pushed at their audition, and so then when you look at you with a baby and a movie, and you're already in the hall of fame, in my money, six seasons, you know? So it was just odd, because you probably would have maybe done one more or not, but it sounds like you were on the fence. Six is a good run, yeah.

Six was enough for me. I mean, everything you just said, Dana, means a lot to me, and I'm very grateful to you for saying it. It's true. I've done the work, I've made peace, and I've also really been able to take more responsibility for my participation in that I got what I asked for,

quite honestly, and it's not fair of me to go like, you know, yeah, but I didn't want it in that I got what I asked for, quite honestly. And it's not fair of me to go like, yeah, but I didn't want it in that way. No, because the truth is, if it's between like two cast members and they're like, this would kill the one guy and you have one foot out the door. They're like, I think he'd be fine with it. And we just move on, it makes it easier in a way.

I do think, I think so. There is sort of, well, it's such a bizarre psychosocial dynamic, just for every reason. And Lawrence said that part of his aloofness was to protect himself, you know, because everyone would wanna go in and what about this and that and so forth and so on. So, but I just see it run as a total success, obviously.

I mean, it's like, I don't even think, I mean, how many people really got on there, really landed and had reoccurring characters and it's hard. Do you take, you know, I would imagine kind of happen with me where you're so burned out, but after a month or two when the show's back on, you get your legs back and you're like, it would be fun to go in. But you also, you realize don't think like that because it's a day-to-day new host.

What are you writing? What do you got? If you could pick and choose when you came on, that's different. Sure. But man, every week is just such a stressful. Well, I would put this in the ether because you were just there. I think you should come on and do Matthew McConaughey for a reason that he, you know, whatever, lit off a firecracker or something. You know, I think that. Yeah. I mean, I, I being back for the 50th was, was truly like healing and joyful. Like it was,

it was really positive. And I, I have to assume almost everyone like me went in with your defenses up, like your Dukes up a little bit. And from word one, it was just like appreciation and reflection and gratitude and, you know, swapping stories. And then Mulaney put me in his musical piece for one line, which I was not expecting. And that felt lovely and great.

What was the costume? Yeah, yeah, there's pizza rat. Were you pizza rat? That's great. I was pizza rat, man. We were there. That's history now, man. I think, you know. I went as Halloween as pizza rat one year. Spade had, and I've heard multiple people say this now,

and it was true from the first blocking rehearsal. Spade had the laugh of the entire show. Oh, I love you saying that. I love it. We've heard this from other people. It's factual. It is factual because I love you saying that. I love it. We've heard this from other people. It's factual. It is factual because I was in that sketch.

So I watched it when we're like rehearsing downstairs, not even for cameras. And I got a feel for it. Everybody laughs. We do it in front of camera. I've got it. Every crew member laughs. And that's always the best indicator

if something's gonna work. Of America, yeah. Because they've just seen it all. And that's always the best indicator if something's gonna work. Of America, yeah. Because they've just seen it all. And they're so, yeah. And every, there was not a time you delivered that line that it did not get a full voice laugh from everybody in the room. It was awesome.

And I watched it. I watched the show live and I remember how funny that was. And then I didn't know if Mulaney could quite hear it, but there was this other secondary laugh that's on the soundtrack. The arms is, because it's so dry and weird and quirky and so unexpected because the musical is so effusive and there's one guy that's just in the stands. And it goes on forever. We got it. So many setups, every part of the stage. So you're not the only one who said that. And writers,

Higgins told us all the writers, that was their favorite line of the whole 50s. So you're not the only one who said that and writers, Higgins told us all the writers that was their favorite line of the whole 50s. So there you go. David, listen to see, to even get a line, like you said, to even be in that sketch cause you're in nothing when you land. And I said, Higgins, don't worry about me. I'm coming. I'm not.

And then Malaney goes, Hey, Malaney might want to throw you in something. I'm like, done. Whatever it is, same thing. So to get one that actually like that was super fun and to be weird enough to go in the audience and. Yeah, but, but also so tailor-made, like there isn't a cast member. Past present future.

It was perfect. That could have landed it as good as you. Like it was tailored to the point where people asked me after the fact, like I'm telling you in my own life, they're like, so what happened? Did he actually leave like during rehearsal? That was by design Specialty that you know not push. It's very lucky to have something like that where yeah, it would fit me because yeah You know also the pressure of going one line, they go, and while I go,

do you need a cue card for this? And he's like rolling his eyes. I go, I guess I don't. He's like, you don't. And I'm like, all right, I don't like, and to over-dissect it, like it's, I know it's true to your voice. No, I like it. This is what we do professionally, but it's true to your voice. It also, it also breaks the fourth wall. So it speaks to it being live. It also speaks to the generate. We It also speaks to the generation, we're celebrating the generations and like, this is your thing, this is different from my time. Like it just was like perfectly constructed and layered.

I appreciate it. And always got the biggest laugh. I love it. There you go. That's a pretty nice feather in your cap. It's only the 50th. Let's end with that because that's the best. Yeah.

Yeah, it is in the end of the day, you know, it just, when we look back at our time there, you know, we never ever wanna do a military analogy. It's like being in the Marines, forget that. But it is some kind of screed decor because you can get humiliated on that show, you can crush, you can get any kind of emotion you can imagine, and it's hard to get on,

and everyone wants to be on it in the comedy world. And so I think, I'm sure that was the vibe of the 50s, like anyone who did it and did it well, it's just respect, you know? I think the 50th for us, the camaraderie is more akin to, like we were in the blue origin together. The space thing that just went up. We've been in space for 12 minutes.

Yeah. That's how tight we were, the bond. Yep. Yep. Yeah. So it's not the army. We were all Katy Perry that night. Yeah. We were all Katy Perry. The stress, the ups, the downs.

You have to buckle. Yeah. You have to unbuckle. We had the training. Well, thank you, buddy. Thank you unbuckle. We had the training. Well, thank you, buddy. Thank you. Nice chatting. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for having me.

Hey, are they gonna pick up that animated pilot we did together or what? Oh yeah, Tara and I did, what was it called? We were in a booth somewhere doing this animated thing. And I guess it just didn't go, but it was fun. Not the Tina Fey one, is it? No, no, it goes back before that. You were like an evil billionaire.

I was an evil billionaire. Yeah. Yeah. It was pressure. There's so much. I was hoping that's what this was about, was you telling me you got picked up. The pickup? Yeah.

But this has been great too. Yeah, just one last thing. You're gonna be in a show on ABC for the second season. I mean, there's so much show business, obviously understatement of the year, but yeah, everybody works. Everyone's doing an animated thing or whatever thing, and no one knows what anyone's doing

unless it's some massive gigantic whatever, you know? Totally, totally. Yeah, no, high potential ABC comeback. Oh, high potential, okay. And you got to do spam a lot. Fucker. Yeah, dude. Dude, that was that was Monty Python. The best. Well, and Eric was there. Eric was there.

And like when you first started rehearsing, they're like, well, he may not be around much and stuff. And then we do like a first dress rehearsal in his backstage. He's like, I think we can beat that joke. I'm like, OK. OK, Python. Yeah. Just to be anything, Yeah, anything. And you are perfect for that. That is your lane. You can do that whenever you feel like it. Musical Broadway. Yeah, it was a beautiful marriage. I think the first movie I ever quoted was Holy Grail.

Yeah, it's only a flesh wound. Yeah, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah flesh wound. Yes. It's only a flesh wound. Oh yeah. Was that life of Brian? Come back here and bite your legs off. That's holy grail. Yeah. Oh great. And then, yeah, having started wanting to pursue musical theater, it was really like

this perfect marriage. And then there you go. Wow. All right. Well. In New York. You're still incredibly young, so you're going to have to do this for a long, long time. But.

Great. Great. David, do you have a final joke? No, I appreciate talking to him and I had a good time today. Yeah. I, I admire you both. I respect you so much. I've been a fan my whole life. So thank you. Rubbed elbows is a great honor to Dana. We should be playing the good night's music right now. Yeah, let's hug. While we say this. Zoom hug. Do-doom. Do-do-doom. Special thank you to Dave Spade, Dan, Dana Carvey. Do-doom.

Tony McCartney. All right, see you, bud. Peace out. This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please follow, subscribe. Leave a like, a review. All this stuff, smash that button, whatever it is, wherever you get your podcasts.

Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss Berman of Odyssey, and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.