Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Teri Hatcher (IN STUDIO) Is “Real and Spectacular”

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

Dana and David welcome Teri Hatcher for a candid, funny cruise through it all: she tells the wild story of tagging along to a Love Boat audition—and booking the role over her best friend—shares what she splurged on when the money finally hit, and opens up about dating and how she’s finding her way into comedy. Teri explains how Lois & Clark made acting feel like a real career, drops stories from hosting SNL and leading Desperate Housewives, and—true to form—jokes about feeling like a “hick,” having an “average vagina,” and why her boobs are “real and spectacular” (even if Jerry Seinfeld isn’t convinced). To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Oh, I... Does that... Did Dennis ever ask you out? I don't recall him asking me out. I do recall there being some discussion about making like a clay imprint of my ass, like for an ashtray or a bowl or something. So he backs away and he looks at me and he goes, Terry, you have a totally average vagina.

So we have Terry Hatcher in studio. Very lovely. Yeah. Obviously, we know her from a lot of things, and she also happened to host Estenal when I was there. It was my last year. I think it was we did a little spade in America bit where we dressed as each other

and did a bit as each other. and it was pretty funny and she was very game for it she was a lot of fun she was doing i think uh lois and clark at the time i think it was or maybe desperate housewives anyway definitely had a crush on her she's so sweet she's so nice she's a very good person and uh she came in here and was a was a lot of fun yeah i i got to know her on the podcast she's uh extremely bright uh very self-effacing and her whole story around Desperate Housewives is interesting and how she has a new podcast with the woman who played her daughter on Desper Housewives

and her actual daughter. Yeah, that's right. It's kind of like office ladies, but for Despererer Housewives. Yeah, they watch. It's a rewatch show, and she's just a lot of fun, and I think you're going to have a good time with her. And it's in studio, which is always a good time. She's right in that room with this.

Magic app. Right there. Terry Hatcher. Terry had sure. Hi, guys. That's Terry. She's known for being very nice. Okay.

Well, thank you so much. Melodies? No, you know, I do this, like, slow resistance weightlifting. Smart. Where you, like, get to two minutes and then you burn out. Right. And it's supposed to be good for your bone density when you're old, like me. Me too.

So that's what I do. You're a child. Yeah, what's the latest with your bone density? It's hanging in there. It's coming in there. It's coming along. You had a test? I did have a test.

Did you really? No, I did have a, well, you should have a test at my age. I didn't know you could do that. I had a test. And it wasn't that it was bad, but it was like, it was preventative. No, it's great. This is the way I try to help myself now with this kind of stuff. Yes.

The old paradigm was to try to lift heavy weights and make it easy. The new paradigm is to lift lighter weights and make it hard, which usually means going very slow, staying in the work phase, you know. It's, I think the point that is what's good for, for your bones is that max out. That point at the minute 45 where you're shaking and then they make you like hold that for 15 seconds and that's the part. That's good.

Okay. I'll see your that and I'll raise you doing hill repeats up a very, very steep. I also do sprint sets on the treadmill. Jesus Louise. I just a note for it, just stop the recording. Terry's got me being the fitness part. but I'll listen to her podcast before I get it from my other.

Terry's podcast. It's not called Terry's podcast. It's not called Terry's podcast. This is a whin-it. This is how not to do a podcast. You can learn from us. Do you guys know this is my first real podcast? I did Brett Goldstein's, the films to be buried with.

I did that over COVID because we had met a few years ago and everyone was in their house during COVID, and he started that one. And so he texted me and said, would you be a guest? I want to go on that one. And that's the only one I've ever done. So I'm kind of honored and a little bit scared

and I love you guys and so thank you for having me. I think it's really fucking great. I'm just going to do Brett coach to no time. You're smiling too much. You're already smiling too much. It's always good when the host is not smiling. He was on our and we talked about that. I'd like to do that one.

I love movies. Do you like movies? I do love movies. You? Yeah, I do love movies. I think I mentioned with him, I feel like, I feel like Tutsi always comes up I feel like when I was figuring out almost by osmosis what comedic timing was about, I feel like Terry Gar just like her rhythm of everything in that movie.

I mean, I just, I can repeat it like, yeah, it's music. Oh, and just like the tragic, her whole story was so rough in that movie. Yeah, yeah. She kept getting ghosted and Chuck Dern, Chuck Dern. Charlie Dern? Charles Dern. as the gilded lover and the look at the end. Why'd you do it, you know, who had a crush on Twixie.

Oh, I know, I know. And Dustin Hoffman, he knows. It's so good. And it glows. I don't know. I just, I don't have a credible. The movie? You mean, or the...

It's just the cinematology. Oh, yeah. And also, Sidney Pollock is the agent. Oh, my God. It's so great. And who directed, and who did direct a lot of Robert Redford movies. Yes. Oh, there you go.

God rest of soul. Yeah. No, every line in there. I'm a tomato and a tomato can't sit down. That's why, you know, like, I just... And the commitment to that. Because I have to be a tomato. Because the director wouldn't let me not be a tomato.

Exactly. Sorry. No, it's it. It brings it out in me too. I understand. Anyway, that's a great. But Terry Gar, also young Frankenstein. Was she in a young Frankenstein?

That's another one. Yes, she was. My knockers. She was known as it. Oh, thank you, Doctor. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She's something else.

Shit. Good Lord. So, you have a podcast. And have you done it yet? Have you taped them yet? Yes. We have. Oh, you have.

We're taping on Mondays. We're actually. trying to do two every Monday. We're a little bit under a time gun because Andrew Bowen, one of my co-hosts who played my daughter and Desperate Housewives, is pregnant. So we're up against her maternity leave. And so we're trying to get... Maternity leave. Is that something people do? Yes, it is. Why? They always do that. Lady needs the time off. Yes, you do to pay attention. Listen, it's all Andrea's fault. She came to me, and so the podcast is called Desperately Devoted. Desperately devoted.

And your two co-stars are. Andrew Bowen, who was my television daughter and Emerson Tenney, who's my real-life daughter. And the thing that I thought was fun about that, because Andrea said, would you ever want to do this Desperate Housewives rewatch? And I was sort of like, you know, I don't know. But what I thought was interesting and what I like about podcasts, like you guys, for example, I just like friends talking, you know. And when I'm doing my dishes, I've got my headphones on. cleaning my house, whatever. It's enough with the news and enough with the self-help.

And, you know, I listen to those, too. Yeah. But I really like just the community and just the talking. It's almost like having dinner. It's almost like that's because Dane and I will obviously talk over you the whole time. But it's like dinner. So you just talk about whatever. We're not really good.

We tend to jump in. Sorry. I love it. It's ruin it, stop the momentum. Oh, okay. But it's hard. It's like that. When you're all together for dinner and you just bullshit around.

So nothing too important. But we do want to talk about. the podcast because it is sort of an exciting new thing for you and you have a good voice that's part of it you can talk thank you i can talk that's good i mean you like to talk not everybody can you like i listened to i think it was the pilot oh did you yeah thank you very much it's got a lot of chemistry thank you yeah i think we do so so the elements of of beyond the desperate housewives of it which there is a big fan base for it and it is kind of fun actually i haven't seen the show in 20 years and was genuinely surprised and pleased, almost like watching something that I wasn't in.

Like, wow, that's a great show. Yeah, a fun show. And so that's fun, but we're really using it as a springboard to kind of talk about life. And I felt like, you know, my daughter is 27. She's a screenwriter. She's gay. She has a wonderful girlfriend that she lives with. Andrea is 35.

She's newly married. She's about to have a baby. and I'm 60 and pathetically single, and it just felt like we covered everything. Well, I'm actually starting a podcast called Pathetically Single. Okay, you ripped off my, that was my next. I wasn't going to host it. We could co-ho.

Oh, I could, because I'm married. Oh, so you could be pathetically married. You could do a spinoffically single. Okay. I love it. I love it. You got to start somewhere. How could you be single?

Well, I never leave my house. By choice, you don't. Gloraphobic, check. I'm sure you get marriage proposal. I don't date. You know, I did maybe up, I, maybe up to like five years ago, I kind of did the whole app routine and whatever, not for very long. Tinder and all that type of stuff. You know, a little bit. Wordle? Huh?

Wordle. Oh, I still. You're made on a wordle. I still do. I do still do wordle. I do the spelling bee. I get so proud when I'm a genius. That's like when they tell you. Text me when you get a good one and I'll, I'll say. a good job. Oh, okay. Okay. You come from a high pedigree. Your dad was a, was any atomic physicists? Smart family. He was a physicist and electric engineer. He was vice president of

AMD when he retired. And my mom worked for Lockheed for like 25 years. They were both super smart people. And I was a math major in college until I dropped out because my parents wouldn't pay for me to study anything else. And I got this crazy opportunity to be on the love boat. I mean, it's a weird origin. I love a love boat from a mathematician to Gavin McLeod. Yeah. To Isaac? What happened with you and Isaac?

Nothing happened with me in Isaac. I heard some wishes. Oh, I think something happened. No, nothing happened. Isaac got around. Isaac was a ship's bartender. I did, I think it was 26 or 22. Shut up.

Oh, you're on that much? Yeah, well, it was the entire last year of the show. Were you the Julie McCoy? No, but Julie, the way I got an agent, like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm telling you guys his story. This is great. Please, I'm going to record. Okay, so I was in college.

I tried to make it so fast. No, I want to bore you to death. No, I'm just curious how, like, did someone's, did you, you were a nerd, a mathematician in college, and someone say, hey, Terry, take those glasses off. And like, not so bad. With a British accent. With a bad British accent, that's how they did it. You ought to be in television or movies.

You know, was that kind of, you were sort of a nerd and all of a sudden you're a beauty queen? Okay, so I was a nerd and I'm a nerd. I wear the nerd badge. I love puzzles. I mean, I'm still a nerd. I'm totally nerd, which is maybe why I don't date because I'm too shy. Anyway, we have some time. We're going to get there.

Okay, so I'm in college, and this, the love boat did this nationwide press thing, where they did this for dancers, dancers and singers. Okay. And they were called the Mermaids. And so in San Francisco, they did it in Chicago, in New York, in Dallas, and whatever. and I don't know 5,000 people showed up in San Francisco like a cattle call for

and this girlfriend wanted to do it but she didn't want to go by herself so she said Classic yes right So I ended up Do not bring your prettier girlfriend That's a mistake There's your lesson number one

So I won that and then what they did with all these individual winners You wanted to casually in front of your friends Just for a second Just for a second She brings you long Gee I'll tag along

you've got orthodonture work and stuff. So did you sing and dance, or what did you do? We didn't sing at that point. We just danced. So it was like a chorus line kind of a thing, you know, where you get eliminated. So you want to dance solo and won? Or how did you? Well, you, I do.

I grew up dancing. Okay. I was, I, I, we had to do a jazz combination and tap less. And you could just have a chain. And I could just do that. Because I grew up. No, no. No, no.

No, because I, yeah, I just grew up dancing. I was, I was. Like in your room and stuff. Like professional. No, no. Like, I mean, not like paid. but I went to dance class to a studio, my whole upbringing. And your friend brought you anyway.

Well, she did too, you know, so, and, yeah. So, and there was a lot of great people there, I mean, for sure. And it's that weird thing where you get a number and they teach you a combination and 30 of you do it and you leave and you leave and you stay and then you do it again. And at the end of the day, there's five of you left. Yeah. And then they pick a winner and that was me. And so they flew all of these different winners to Los Angeles.

where we had to do the whole thing again against like real people who already lived in L.A. and were already working on television and whatever. This was from the nationwide. Yes, but to me I think I might be wrong. Maybe I'd never been on a plane by myself.

I definitely had never been given a per diem or stayed in a nice hotel by myself. They put us up, this is in like 1985. They put us up at the Bonaventure Hotel downtown and we had a per diem. And I didn't, and And so I, of course, ordered like a banana split and like a hamburger and like all the – I never had room service. I didn't grow up like that at all. I mean, this is what I remember. I remember that I ordered a hot fudge Sunday, which seems insane that the next day I had to go perform and be sexy and that's what I was doing, but whatever.

Wait, how old again? I guess what was 85, so that would have made me 20. Okay. So that's old enough to fly alone. Okay, yeah. And – but I mean, I just didn't grow up in a family where that was at – thing. No, I didn't fly an airplane until I was 25. A lot of people don't fly. Yeah. I mean, maybe I went to New York once. You know, every year, David, I think we can unequivocally say this. We make resolutions that somehow never stick. But this year, I've found the one resolution that actually works. Grounds is the simple daily habit that succeeds where extreme resolutions fail, delivering real benefits with minimal effort. If you haven't heard me talk about grooms before, they're a convenient, comprehensive formula

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which were basically glorified extras on the love boat. We dealt the cards in the... in the casino, we passed out towels on the Lido deck, you know. All this shit for that. And we did a dance number every week, and we sang. So probably nine episodes in was Thanksgiving, and the girl who played Julie McCoy came back. And remember she had been ousted from like a Coke, yeah, from a Coke addiction or something. And so she had been fired, I guess, or lost her job.

And then so they had her back. and that episode they decided to give my character like a story arc like a love line It's a big episode Did your character have a name when you were a mermaid?

Well they, not until this episode And then they gave me a name Amy It's really I mean I talk in the highest voice And she was the biggest ditsy Like airhead Fun-loving So you did a real character

Yeah I did a character You were supposed to do that I did I mean they were saying Oh yes no they said That was what they wrote Are you doing like Victoria Jackson? Like falsetto almost?

It was pretty high. That's how Victoria really. It was pretty, you know, it was like, hi, I'm Amy. And I did this and I did this and I did this and I did this. And then, you know, it was like that. Gotcha. But it was definitely comedic for whatever that was on the love boat. And so an agent saw that and called the producers and was like, who's she?

I mean, and that was how I first got an agent. And then when that was, that's very strange. This would not happen to end. anyone anymore, I don't think. So our torturous eight years in the clubs was, what, I mean? I mean, you know, it's funny in these days. So I moved into a really, you know, below average apartment building in North Hollywood. And next to me on the third floor, like walk up, and next to me was an apartment of two

young guys who were comedians who had just moved from Nebraska. one of them was Joel Madison and one of them was Pat Hazel and they knew Jeff Cesario and Dennis Miller and like and so I like met some of these people

like back in the it was crazy times before they were famous they're Dennis for sure I mean yeah they were like on the edge I think Jeff and Dennis were kind of on the edge of almost being yeah that was yeah

crazy And I remember hanging out with them and they would play jokes on me and I remember one of them early on saying something like, you can hang out because you get the jokes. And I felt like that was a very big compliment. And I, because I have, I'm obsessed. Every time I go to New York, I go to the comedy seller, like I'm, I'm just obsessed with what you guys do, like with admiration and, you know, I'm just obsessed. Really? Did Dennis ever ask you out? I don't recall him asking me out. I do recall there being some discussion about making like a clay imprint of my ass, like for an ashtray or a bowl or something. And I don't know if this was a rat. You really didn't think this story was coming. No, I'm pretty sure. You did not think this story's coming. It's in your notes. Ceramic ass. I might have gone on a date with.

Jeff maybe um you know my my whole crazy slutty uh young life is a little bit of a blur to me I'm just thankful I came out of it without any uh major long lasting issues really we'll be the judge of that okay I don't your 20s are your 20s they're just a unique yeah you know so this so were you lonely at that point or were you sort of out of your elementary, just super excited. You're suddenly in North Hollywood. You're on love boat. You're on television. I don't think I was lonely, although I do kind of feel like it took me, you know, I was that kind of, I mean, I'm definitely an overachiever, like 150%, like bar is very high. I'm super hard on myself. And so I was the kind of person who I was on the love boat. I also got a

job on the short-lived soap opera capital at the time. And then I was also a waitress at an Italian restaurant on Ventura Boulevard. It might have been, I don't think it was Maria's Italian kitchen, but it might, it was something like Maria's. I don't think it was Maria's. But I remember at one point being in TV guide and having like the bartender or another waitress be like, you should probably quit this job, like the job as the waitress. Because they're seeing your picture. Yeah, yeah. And and but you know, so when you say I don't think I was lonely, but I definitely. It's a weird. There's a lot of growing pains, and I didn't, you know, I didn't know. I'm the least Hollywood family. I'm the least Hollywood person. I don't know anything. I'm sure that I did so much wrong. And you came out from where? From Northern California. From Sunnyvale. Okay. So it's... Sunnyvale, which is 15 minutes where I grew up, San Carlos. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're Northern California people. Used to play rooster tea feather. There you go. It's still there, right?

It was the country store, something like that before, but rooster tea feathers is still there. I was playing that in the early 80s. I was just talking to Ron Funches is a little bit of a friend of mine. And I was at a barbecue at his house not that long ago. And he had a girlfriend comedian, and I'm not going to remember her name, but she was like my age. And she was saying that she was just going there to play. So, yeah, I mean, it is funny how it's all sort of.

You didn't know I had a rooster tea feather story, but I do. Okay. I've got one, too. You go first. Mine's not that excited. What is it? But for the audience at home, for the audience at home, it was about 150 seat club. That's another thing I want to talk to you about.

You know, I've been to Kenny Bunkport and I was friends with him. Wow. Yeah. Come on down. On the speed boat. Press her down. Let's get some speed in that area. Yes.

Let's get those ass imprints going. Ceramic imprinted. I never got a copy. Left and right coming together in a beautiful ceramic dish. polka dots on top red on the bottom I kind of wish it existed I know that is the thing about age

This could be good merch Right and you see At the time it seems like oh we've gone We've gone a step too far But like 40 years later you're like God I wish I had my ass on a In a poll Well

Back to my tent poll story I want to hear the rooster tea feathers story It's a real I really do So I So I go there and this is my struggle. I was thinking about your days of like when I came from Arizona. I was in North Hollywood too.

I was in Kuangamore Park. Live with an actress. I lived in the back room and got to see sort of her life. But it's lonely. It's just weird not to be in Arizona anymore. And like everyone's like, if you had a picture on TV guide, A, it doesn't mean you're making any money or you have steady money. So I'd be like, what would I quit for?

This is actual money versus that. And they don't realize that. They're like, you're a star. and one of these gigs I go to Rooster T's, let's say I'm making 600 bucks for the week and after the first show

I just literally walk all the way like a mile to the club and I walk back to the condo or whatever hotel so I need some money for food so just for lunch so I walk all the way to the club when they're there and I go I need to take a draw and against my

I just need some money like 200 bucks for food this week and he goes well you did one show and you haven't quite made 200 so we can give you $83 and I said do you think I'm going to make a run for it like I'm here for the week especially in the 80s in 83 yeah so I ran to Sizzler but I didn't Sizzler oh my God Sizzler I spent my 30th birthday at Sizzler Sizzler you know I mean this is a thing those kinds of things like I didn't grow up really with money so like going to Farrell's

for your birthday Feralds, going to Feralds and getting like the zoo with the little plastic animals in it. Right, yeah. Or going to Sizzler and getting a steak and the shrimp, the, like, fried shrimp, or like the Velvet Turtle. Do you remember the Velvet Turtle? The Velvet Turtle was like... That was in Arizona. It was a topless club.

Oh, okay. No, it was like a place where you could get lamb, rack of lamb with like the little chef's hat on the bone. And that was like a once a year thing. Is that nice, though, the Velvet Turtle? It was. That was like a once a year thing. There was. In Arizona, there was a nice.

Yeah, that was a nice one there. Yeah. But again, if you have, I think if you have good memories, I have good memories of going to Chili's, all these places, sizzler. So if you even get a few beans in your jeans when you're older, you go, that doesn't mean I don't like going there. I always liked it. So it's like stuck in my head that I like it.

Yeah. So I don't like ever skip all that and go, I don't do that anymore. You still go? Yeah. To those kinds of places? Well, this is a trick question. I thought we were agreeing. that we like that.

No, no, the only reason I wouldn't go is because I think my health awareness of like what I'm actually trying to eat to not have like inflammation or whatever, like that kind of nonsense. I probably keeps me from going to those places. I think what's interesting. But not because they weren't fun or I, I mean, those chili fries. Yeah, it's hard to get good stuff. The chili fries with the little salty whatever. Everything's great. If I'm driving long distance and I'm tired, that's the only time.

Me too. What do you get? McDonald's hamburger, small fries, and a Coke. Because then all that sugar and salt just helps me drive. So I'm Diet Coke and Cheetos on a long distance drive. Cheetos. Yeah, Cheetos and a Diet Coke. Yeah, that's the same kind of thing.

We're all three Diet Coke. Yeah. Carbohydrates. Diet Coke for me is like Coke. I mean, I never did Coke, so I don't really know. But to me, that's, whenever I'm at a, like if I'm shooting something or I'm at some event, or I just feel like, oh, my God, I'm hitting the wall. Like, this is not.

People know this, they know, like, Diet Coke, stat, I need it. Wakes you up or what? Yeah, yeah, it just, I don't know if it's the bubbles or the caffeine or whatever it is. You and Trump just died. Oh, shit. He has a button. Okay, I'm going to stop. You're exactly Trump.

I didn't know that. That's enough to make me never have it again. He has a button on his desk that he hits, right? Diet Coke. Oh, really? Yeah, so it's a button bringing me a Diet Coke. Okay, I'm going to have to stop. I can drink it.

Oh, you've ruined it. The Diet Coke is you do it I do him gravely But I don't know where You've ruined it for me No no not at all But I only drink Coca-Cola I drink the real stuff

Before or I have it on stage When I do stand-up Because that's you don't want a cup of coffee But that's that energy thing Just a sip of coke Yeah And you know a lot of places don't have You might notice

Regular Coke If you travel There's full casinos, airlines They just go We're a Pepsi corporation And I know this about, I mean, I have listened to you talk enough to know that you have a real issue with Diet Pepsi. Yeah. I start a trouble.

I get it. I fight back. Yeah, maybe you should. But sometimes I bring them. Pepsi, the people who were running Coca-Cola, this is just a hit, we'll cut this part. They decided at one point, the greatest brand in the last hundred years, Coca-Cola, you know, GIs World War II, we're going to make new Coke. The reason is they did taste tests. and Pepsi was sweeter than Coke, which I didn't like.

So when people were just testing it, just taking sips, they go, we like this better, a full can, they wouldn't. So some idiot at Coca-Cola decided to make new Coke, tasted too sweet, then they bring out, they brought it back. But that's just a little history lesson. In the middle of our guest today is Terry. I love brands, so I'm excited to hear it. I'm excited too. I was going to ask you and David a question. Okay. The emotional

When you're in your 20s and you're doing stuff and you don't know if you're going to get a break but you're obviously in a game where people you know are getting on TV or films and doing stuff and you go through a period

where it's not really happening and you have I bombed I tried for S&L I followed Sam Kennisin at the comedy store bombed you know so how did you deal with that

David or Terry the emotional violence of going in this thing and just it may just never happened for me. Like I want it to. Yeah, we'd like to hear from Terry. Yeah, Terry. Okay. Well, I seem to recall there being a moment where I felt like I should pack up my

1980 Ford probe with the hand rolling windows and the no air conditioning and go back to Sunnyvale and go back to college. Like, I feel like, and that was after the Love Bo, probably after I had a little stint on McGuiver and I did like, maybe I did a pilot or something, But yeah, there's these big stints where you feel like... Was it too much chunks off? Yeah, too much chunks off and what are you doing with yourself? And I think when you're young, like I really always thought I would go back to college. I really thought I would be a math teacher in high school.

I had this grand idea that there were no women teachers for young girls and no role models in the sort of science lane. And I was going to go be that. And that was going to be noble to me. And I really thought that was what I was going to do. and then I got Lois and Clark. And it wasn't until Lois and Clark that I, and it was even my parents first time kind of on board, like, oh, this is your career. Like, oh, this is what you're going to be doing. This is what you're going to be doing. And so, yeah. And then, but there's always, I mean, I, you know, I'm not working a ton in the last few years and that's not really my choice. I mean, I've been developing some stuff with some pretty cool people, but I know you guys, know, that that's, it's hard to get things across the finish line. And I think, you know, I always had somebody, somebody told me a long time ago, like, you're only really out of this business when you quit. You know, like, I mean, you can see actors that, like, are now winning

Emmys that literally didn't have jobs for years, five years, you know, or, and, and so, and I tell my daughter this, although she's a writer, not a performer, and it is a little bit, I think there's a little more power behind you can just keep doing, you can keep writing, scripts. But I would tell young actors that the thing they don't teach you with all your accents and all your drama and all your comedy is they don't teach you what to do with yourself when you don't have a job. And that is where people get into trouble. It's a mental game. It's very tough. When it goes down and we were just talking to Dwight from the office, Rain, and he said it's like being a read-through and you're not in the episode.

And even just that week, you're like, hmm, so I'm watching everyone else. What do I do? I mean, it's kind of nice for a while, but maybe you had Un Desperate Housewives when you were light in a show or you were in kind of light for a couple episodes in a row, and you start to kind of freak out. Like, wait, am I not, where am I in the pecking order? I thought they kind of favored me. It makes you crazy. I think the main thing is because I met a lot of bitter people when I was first coming up, really bitter.

All kinds of bitter. Well, Mickey Rooney was the most bitter man. Okay. I was the number one star in the world. hear me bang the world so I thought okay this whole game of being in show business you know it doesn't care about you it's not personal it's not trying to punish you and really stay away from victimhood and bitterness because then you can't be successful so we always had stand-up as a baseline to go back you know so when you had those years I want to know the years

between how long was it after Love Boat and then you were kind of doing stuff but not landing to the Lois and Clark? So I'm, you know, I'm estimating, I mean, if that had been, let's say that was 85, 86, I didn't get Lois and Clark until 94. But before that, I did that, what turned out to be a very famous episode of Seinfeld. That was probably in 93. Okay. Right.

And I remember Jason Alexander saying to me, good things are going to happen to you. Good things. You know, people do this show and then they go get other things. I remember him saying that to me. What was your episode? Sweet. What was my episode? You really? I swear to God, I don't know.

Okay, well, good. I'm glad that I'm glad somebody doesn't know. Because it's probably going to be on my tombstone, so that's why I'm just a little bit surprised. No, I had this episode where the whole episode was Jerry was dating me, and he didn't know if my breasts were real or fake. Oh, wow. And so Julia's character falls on, they think they're fake. He thinks they're fake, so he breaks up with me. and then she is at the gym with me and she falls on me in the sauna

and realizes they're real. So then he tries to win me back, but he's already broken up with me because he thought they were fake. And so I find out that he's done all this. And so I have this exit line where I find out and I'm mad that he put me through this. And I'm like, I'm not going to date you anymore.

You're a horrible person. And so I leave and I slam the door and then I stick my head back in and I go, and by the way, they're real and they're spectacular. And that sort of became like, this thing. Yes.

That might look good on a tombstone. Yeah. That's pretty good. She was real and spectacular. Yeah. There you go. You know,

that moment is Chase Alexander saying that to you. But that's great. So that actually on a hit show doing that, go ahead. So that had happened. I had done the movie

The Big Picture with Christopher Guest and that whole. That was my first movie ever. I remember you in that too. Thank you. So you're getting jobs. Yeah, I had done Tango and Cash.

I had done Fuck, yeah. Tango and Catton. Ford Fairland. Stallone. And Kerr Russell, yeah. Yeah. I played Stallone's sister. I mean, I hardly remember it. You had some hair in that one, didn't you? Yeah. And do you know what's crazy? This is all of this hair. If you go back and you look at the love boat and you look at Tango and Cash and soap dish, I mean, freaking gigantic 80s, early 90s hair. It was all my hair because we just backcomed the crap out of it. It was before anybody was using all these clippins. Now you can't go anywhere without clippins. Like it's, it's just- You were killing it in the Hair Department.

It's very funny. Well, what about soapish? Another fucking monster hit. So these are not like nothing, but these are huge. No, I know. Ford Fairline, I love because I think when Dice hosted... Oh, I wasn't in Fort Fairline. I did a movie with him called Brain Smasher.

Oh. What I think Fort Fairland? Well, because he was... Okay. That's, he was doing that. And I did... Unless it was Dice. I was close.

Yeah, yeah, you were. That's fucking... What brain blaster? Brain smasher. I don't even remember. Honestly, I don't know. I just know he was in it and we shot it in Oregon and I don't... And it was like an all-night shoot of a movie.

You know, just for six weeks, you're completely going to work at night. They don't tell you that in class either. How bad night shoots are. That's true. No, so I had a lot of... And there were things that I had near misses on. Like I near missed on a movie that Sandra Bullock ended up doing. And I near missed on a movie on a thing that Helen Hunt did.

And I, like, it is, and I think what I also love about aging is that, you know, there's just no room to get caught up in regret. Like, life has offered you what it has offered you. And you did your best with the tools that you had at the time that you had them. Absolutely. And it doesn't mean you can't evolve and become a better person or make more of your life than you anticipated. It just means you can't go back. And so there's no reason to. keep harping on it and keep

dwelling in it. Sometimes I have regrets about choices. People do it, yeah, we all do. I do it. But I do think that, you know, it's good to just stay in the moment. And, you know, those near misses, that's a pretty common story before people get the one. But nothing beats around a weekly show. It's very true, and I wish I had one again. I just auditioned for one yesterday for like a smaller role in it, but it's still a series regular. And I, and the fantasy that I'm living with before they reject me, which will probably happen later today. But, but the, we're good luck

charms. Okay. Well, maybe it won't then. But the fantasy I have in my head is, is about getting to show up on a set regularly. And probably, maybe I'll have one line because it's not like the main character, but like it would just be. Less stress. I would just, it would just be fun. Structure. And then you're coming back to it with your eyes now, like, oh, wow. Yeah. We're putting on a little show. Let's not take it too seriously. It's all pretend and have more fun with it. You know, we did just shoot me. George Siegel had, everyone on that show had done some good things and then had some tough times. And so it was a good mix of people that were like, we're so lucky to have this show. So there was no prima donnas other than me. There was no assholes other than me.

So that was a sort of good lesson. But I had my own things. I had tough time on SNL. So getting on something where someone was writing for me and it was steady and about fame like you're saying you're in big picture great i remember that perfectly uh and the other movies i saw tango and cash of course so and soap dish so they're you're building building building and then when you get on a weekly thing that's where fame hits because when people see you over and over and over and then lois and clark was a pretty big deal so there's tv guide there's more from that then it's like almost overwhelming probably. Yeah, I mean, it's also, I'm also like a really hard worker.

And like those shows, you work like back in those days, 75 hours a week. I mean, you would start every Monday at 4 a.m. And every Friday you'd be working until 4 a.m. Like it was. And you're not allowed to complain because everyone's like, oh, you're on a hit fucking show. Yeah. And that was 10 months a year. And I mean, and so you're not really thinking, there's no room really for joy of

like, oh, I'm, I mean, you're just not, you're not going to spas or dinner with your friends or, or, you know, you are kind of. And so it really isn't until it's over that you get an opportunity to reflect back at what an amazing opportunity it was. It's more like when you're in it, it's hard to not get caught up in what feels hard about it. It's not that you're not grateful. I feel like I'm always grateful, but it is, I mean, it's not unlike being the mother of a young kid when you're just, you know, obviously you're so thrilled to have a child, but then also you're not sleeping and you're not, you know, whatever. It's hard to put both of those things together and have it all feel positive all the time. Exhaustion. It's like a baby.

Exhaustion leads to. Leads to frustration and tears or whatever you want to call. Like ER, this sherry string. Remember she quit E.R and people couldn't believe it. And I was like, I didn't remember that she did. I believe it. But that's because she's making a ton of money, but you're like, can't do it anymore. Ten months a year. Yeah. Memorizing and grinding. And everyone's like, poor, people work harder. And I go, it's just a mental, you're not coming up for air. She probably just needed three months off, like for, just to just see her friends, see her family, just get life back and then go, okay, I'm back in a hole because they do a never-ending movie. Movies are so hard and that's what you were doing.

And you also don't know what's got. It was interesting. I just saw Jane Fonda talking on a podcast yesterday, and she referenced that in the first season of the show that she did with Lily Tomlin recently, yeah, that it was horrible for her. These are her words. And she said she realized in hindsight because the subject matter was kind of like pushing very deep buttons for her about being abandoned.

And she had to go work on that and then was able to approach the second season. and then it was like all great after that. But it made me think you just don't know what's going on. And we're so quick to judge and label and I don't know. You just don't know. I think it's a very common human thing. Why is that person doing that? Why isn't Terry Hatcher going doing that?

I don't understand why they're doing that. You know, and you have to be humble about, well, you don't know their story. Also, sometimes you want to work and you go, I just want to go work again. And then something comes along that's not a thousand percent what you want to do, but you go, let me just do it. I totally want it. I feel like I'm out of the fucking mix. Yeah, I totally want to work, which is why I got this opportunity to do a little bit of stand-up that I wrote for Showtime about four years ago. It was called, they have this thing called funny women of a certain age.

So it sort of gives it an umbrella of like, okay, we know what these women are going to talk about. They're going to talk about being old, which made it easier for me to write. in a way and like Wendy Liebman was in it and Carol Montgomery and Marshall Warfield and um they're like pros yeah yeah totally yeah real pros no and we did it at the Irvine improv and I wrote like a 15 20 minute set Jesus that's a lot I know right and I wasn't horrible and it did sort of it was all anchored in this story that actually happened to me where I was told that I have an average vagina and and I actually I actually told I only told you that because okay all right we're going to take a short break short break we're going to reset

no it was just a pants you were wearing no we got to get time for the rest of the president of odyssey communication go ahead so you're no no I when I first met Brett Goldstein It was at a function for Ashling Bay, who's a mutual friend of ours. And there was like a cocktail thing after she performed. And I didn't know, Brett, but I had just come from the gynecologist's office. And I'm way big overshare talk to strangers. The older I get, the do not ask me how my day is because, like, you better be ready to stand there for a while. And so anyways, he said, nice to meet you.

How was your day? And so I proceeded to tell them this story I don't do the very quick version of it for you guys But it was it was like I was This was kind of the last time I started dating somebody Which is over six years ago And I hadn't had sex in a really long time Because I hadn't been dating

And at my age I was sort of thinking like I don't know does it work anymore Like how would I know Like nobody's been in there And you know this whole you can imagine So I go to the gynecologist David's uncomfortable It's nice to see squirn

So I go to the gynaecologist who happens to be named Dr. Johnson. Like, you can't make it up. No, I'm not kidding. I feel like that happens. My daughter has a dentist named Dr. Needle. I just don't. There's got to be something happening there. Anyways, so I go, and so he's giving me an exam, and I'm laying there, and I'm thinking, like, how do I say this?

Like, and I'm kind of like, doctor, what, you know, it's whatever. And then I finally go, does it look like a guy would have a good time in there? And that wasn't what was supposed to come up. And so he sort of backed away, and this is all real, okay? I mean, I wrote more stuff around it, but this actually happened. So he backed away and he looks at me and he goes, Terry, you have a totally average vagina. And then he, you know, he meant it like there's nothing. It's fine.

It's, yeah, there's no problem happening. The normal word is unremarkable. Okay, but and he used average, which is funny. Which is better than work. Which is better. And I told this to Brett. And then he was like, you need to write a one-woman show. And so he kind of got that into my head that that might even be a possibility.

And just going back to what you're saying about wanting to work. I'm obviously not even close to being, you know, a seasoned writer or comic or anything. But it did make me feel like if you can be good at it, if you have the discipline, it is an area where women in my age can continue to tell their stories. There's great. Because you have more stories. Yeah. And like, and, you know, maybe you don't make a ton of money, but the work of it, like to go

on stage in front of 30 people and tell a story that half of them think is funny, I don't know. That could feel rewarding. So I've sort of been munking around in that area. Also, when you do a podcast, I'm sure you finish some and you're prepping for it. And you go and you do it. And you walk away going, you feel like you did something. You go, that's interesting.

We did it. it kind of work today. All those things are kind of fun if you're in performer-based business. And we stand up, you're the writer, the director, the performer. It's just a one-man band. Yeah. But you're likeable and also you're saying a real story. I wish I was better at it.

I mean, you would be. You could do it at a very high level just based on hanging out with you for sure. Thank you. Because we, our first time's on stage, you know, it takes a while to get desensitized to people staring at you and stuff. It takes a while. You seem comfortable just going up already. You know, and you're very honest, and that's a big, big area for comedy.

To just be. Saying things that people don't say. Regularly say, yeah. I just make funny voices and he complains and talks about dating or. I don't know if that's my whole career, but yeah. Well, you know, you have a most. It pretty much is. I'm kidding.

Smoor squirming. Let's get to when I was on as SNL when she came. Yes. And it was my last year. Okay. You don't think you knew that. I didn't. But I only did one bit a week, Lauren, when I left, because Adam and Chris left.

They were fired, though. I didn't, I didn't even know that. Sort of. Did you meet Farley? I did not. You didn't? I don't think so. You never dragged them around?

No. Because that's why I was there without those guys. But Lauren goes, why don't you stay and do like a weekend update, just your own segment? But do whatever you want. I was like, oh, great. So when Terry hosted, you came on there, and we did a bit, right? It was super fun. Was it like Spade in America?

Yeah, that was it called. And then Don Particle goes, now Spade in America. So she played me and I played you. Which was really clever. You wrote that, right? Yeah, and it was pretty funny. And you go, I'm meta. It was super meta.

You go, I'm Terry Snatcher. Yes. Yeah, you played me. She dressed like me. So, of course, that's something I would say, idea. Right. And we made fun of each other, and I was just like a girl. And you host it, and did you have a good time on that show?

I did. I mean, I look back on it as just one of the highlights of opportunity and, like, with so much gratitude that I got to have that opportunity. I remember coming off of Lewis and Clark, it must have been the end. It was like late spring. I think I was the second to last or the third to last episode. I feel like Jim Carrey was like going to be

after me, maybe for the finale. And I remember feeling kind of beat up on Lois and Clark and, you know, like maybe not you're getting to have the most creative input, you know, help, Superman help, like it was a lot of that. Every show of the script. Help, Superman help. I got it.

I got it. I don't need the cue cards. And I remember showing up and just being, you know, in that Wednesday meeting and just sort of being like, I'll do anything. Whatever anybody wants to write for me, I will do anything. You know, I, and that was my attitude, whether people, you know, appreciate it or not. I feel like I did, I got to do a cheerleader sketch with Will and Cherry. And I got to do a Molly, a Catherine Gallagher. Shut the fuck up.

Yeah, no, they were all in. In fact, that one I feel like made it into like the 25, when it was the 25th anniversary. Oh, yeah. We were doing the, like, I Feel Pretty from West Side Story. It was that, and she kept knocking me out of the way. And I did a thing with Chris Catan. We did sort of a...

You mango or one of those? Yeah. Really? One of his... And I feel like there was a whoop-ass. That was the whoop-ass time with... What's a whop-ass? Keenan, I believe, or no.

Or Tracy Morgan? Oh, when he sings or something? I don't know. I get a can of whoop-at. Anyways, and then I did my opening monologue with Will Farrell, and I think Norm wrote that. Oh, how great. Yeah, and it wasn't written until Saturday morning. I kept saying, am I going to get to look at the monologue before?

Oh, I remember rehearsing the monologue, and I had a, on Saturday, I had a full-on migraine. Like, you know how they start in the back? And so I'm standing at the mic, like rehearsing, and I had an ice pack that I was holding on the back of my head, and people would walk by and go, how are you doing it? And I'm like, oh, I'm good. I'm really good. I'm totally good. Like, like, there, and, and the, the monologue was a play on the Clark Kent glasses thing. So, so Will would come out and go, like, with his glasses on. He'd be, he'd say, you know, oh, welcome to the show and we're so glad to have you here or whatever. And then I would kind of give him, I would look away for a second, give him a chance to take the glasses off. And then

I would look back and I would be like, oh my God, where's Will? What happened at Will? Like, Will, he's just here, now he's not here, and then he would put him back on, and it kind of went back and forth like that. It was funny. It's hard to think of monologues for everybody. I mean, that's a good one for you, so it's good. But you were known as a lovely host and nice to everyone. Oh, really? Oh, that's nice. Of course. It's nice. It's in the book. It's because it's crazy. I mean, it's almost too much of a good thing. The behind the scenes of the people changing your wardrobe and your wigs and you're ripping your clothes off and putting new clothes on and shoving you out. And, oh, I know what I did with, um, oh my god why is his name tim tim tim yes oh who i love we did a pre-tape thing where he swore like you cannot believe like like and i was this it was supposed to be our sitcom like homeboy and the something and and and so we pre-taped this thing where he would buy like you know suck my whatever you know whatever and then they would bleep that up you like fuck you and whatever and but they would bleep everything out. And I would just, and my character would just be like, Mom, I can't believe he's talking

to me like that or whatever. That he would say, you know, a bitch, you know, whatever. And I remember, I think at the end I had to say a nasty board to him. And I really had a hard time. Somehow we connected on Instagram not that long ago. And he was reminding me that I had a hard time saying the nastie words. I'm going to see Tim next week. Oh, you are.

Yeah. Yeah, you're going to bring it. Yeah, how funny. But that was a pre-tape, which is another fun one to be in. Yeah. They beat you up there, too. It's worse now. It's like Monday before you're meeting, you do a pre-tape all day.

And then you go to the meeting. Okay. You don't even read it ahead. You're like, you already said yes to this. Just go. Just go. But it is, people that come in, like everyone knows, it's, you're excited to do something different. Then it's like, oh, this is so much.

Yeah. But I remember it. Taking it all in, doing all the things. You were a good sport. You did everything. that's a deathbed thing like I often will look at life from the point of view like I'll look at something that's happening and I'll think like okay on my deathbed am I going to be like I'm glad I did this or you know that wasn't that important and it's definitely I mean it is definitely a thing that on my death bed I get to go I had that experience where I hosted Saturday Night Live once oh my God there you go I was famous and I got on Saturday it's like it just proves that you're doing well and you're like nice to be asked. Careers as long as, you know, it's like three decades at least, it just feels like a different person. It feels like, like I also originated the national tour off of Broadway of Cabaret playing Sally Bowles after Natasha Richardson.

Oh, I think I remember that. And I did seven months, L.A., Chicago, Boston, and D.C., and that was a huge show and, you know, hugely successful and a lot of energy. and that was in 1999, 2000. And I look at that and I go, I don't even know who that was. It's so different now. It's so weird. You look back, yeah. You should just talk about this thing called Desperate Housewives as far as your career.

We're almost done, but we do. It's a rocket ship. Yes. Like that is still, you know, and also just the name of it is so. Yeah. Great name. Well, you know, I looked into this when we started doing the podcast, I was like, what is the history of the word Housewives?

because obviously after our show became the real housewives and then like even the hunting wives and I mean they just like you know Mark Cherry should have a percentage of all of that but he doesn't but he should you know because back in the 70s so in the 50s

housewife was like a real you know the prim proper the dinner on the table the whole thing and then in the 70s with the braburning and all that it kind of people didn't use that term anymore and it really was Mark that brought it back with this and it was huge, that word. It's just catchy. Yeah, it's catchy.

They're desperate and their housewise. Was the show a hit from The Go? It really was. I mean, not because we knew it would be or anything. I always feel like that thing is just a monster of its own. You know, I always give a lot of credit to that it aired on Sunday nights at 9 o'clock, which I always felt like was the exact hour when women had gotten. their kids to bed, but they didn't have to go to bed themselves. And it was before Monday,

where everything was going to start again. It was this like one hour in the week where they could be like, this is mine, give me my glass of wine, I'm watching the show. And I feel like if they'd put it on Thursday or Tuesday, I don't know, maybe it wouldn't have happened. Was Dallas on that? When was Dallas? I think Dallas was before. Before. No, but Sunday night. Oh, I don't know. But I do think a lot of live streaming shows, you know, their new episodes come out on Sunday, for the same reason. Should we talk about your podcast for a second? Okay.

Based on what we're just talking about. Okay. Well, I didn't know, has anyone done it where they're actually watching the episodes with, like, the episode is being watched and you're talking over it? Well, no, we're not doing that because we don't have the rights to the show. That's why we don't show sketchy. I would have shown me and you. Oh, okay.

Yeah, that's why you can't do it. But what we are doing, and what's fun is that the three of us, individually in our own lives, we find time in the week to watch it. We make our, we're all very studious, so we all come in with our pages of notes. Do you go episode by episode? We do. We go episode by episode. So one podcast is one full episode. I see. Okay. And then we don't share with each other our thoughts until we get to the room.

And so we try to like take you through the episode from the beginning to the end. But then like I said, we also use it as a jumping off point. to talk about, you know, one time in your life when somebody rejected you or when this happened or when somebody broke up with you or whatever, whatever comes up. The office ladies, obviously, it was one that did it or still doing it. Oh, oh, for the office, yeah. Yeah, yeah, kind of episodically going over and over. So how many episodes are there after Desert House?

Well, there's eight seasons. Oh, geez. So, I mean, if the podcast works, we can, that's like probably a hundred plus. Are there obviously some, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I'm. We promise we would. Do you, some you really remember and some you don't really remember? I would say mostly I don't remember anything until I'm, I mean, really. Being in L.A.

I don't remember anything. Until I watch it. And then, of course, I go, oh, yeah, okay, well, now I remember that now. And then sometimes I have more vivid memories about the actual filming of it or not. But it is also interesting, and I said this at the time when it came out, because it had this four to five lead characters, a lot of the show, I'm not in. You know, all of the scenes that happen between those different marital families, I didn't see B filmed, and I wasn't there. So I'm kind of enjoying it. And you're not watching every week.

Yeah. And so now I'm enjoying it like a few. The whole thing. You don't know more than half of the show. You have it. Yeah. And so I find myself a lot going, oh, my God, can you believe how great she was in that scene? Like, literally the best comic timing ever, you know, whatever.

I find myself doing that a lot. Who were you closest with? Or are you still close with anyone there? Not really. I mean, I was, honestly, I was more of like a crew person. I mean, a lot of the camera crew and we would go camping together, like all of our family. like we would go up to Big Sur and go camping together. I mean, and I would have people to my house and stuff.

I'm, I was also the only single mom at the time. Oh, okay. And I was also divorced, so I was sharing custody. So there were pretty strict custodial hours to when I had my daughter. And then I was working a lot. And so I kind of wasn't particularly social because it was like, if I had the night off, I was going to be with my kid. And that never got talked about. And I think people don't, you don't hear a lot of people talk about what is hard about being a parent with 50% custody and the kind of stress that is or pressure or whatever.

And so that was also going on for me at the time. But Vanessa Williams, I guess, is a good friend of mine. And we still keep in touch. And the lead gaffer, apparently. I mean, there's definitely people that I keep in touch with, just not everyone. And do you live in the Valley? I think you used to live in the Valley. I still live in the same house.

It's not the same house. Is there a van in the front yard? There is a van. I still have my van. I put solar panels on my 178 VW bus camper, which I still love to drive around. Did you buy that new? I was the second owner. So I've owned it for 25 years, and I was the second owner.

Okay. Does it run? Yeah, I get it tuned up. all the time. I also have a 1974 Ford Explorer truck. Like I'm a I'm a hick. I'm a nerd and a hick. These are things people don't know about me. A hick when I see you. What would be the fanciest thing you own? I mean like a watcher. Do you have anything? David has 29 watches. Okay. I have two watches. This is made of solid gold. It's no big deal. It costs a million dollars. Okay. Does it make you feel good

about yourself? He gets kidnapped a lot. But I always pay the ransom. It's a swatch, Terry. I have a few. Okay. I'm really not that fancy. I have a diamond panther Cartier ring that I guess is pretty fancy that I bought for myself for my 40th birthday

Okay my daughter actually which I have used once it sits in my closet my daughter bought me probably for my 50th birthday

she got together with grandma and she bought me an Aramez Birkenbag which I which I don't even use Because I'm not that person. But it was that she, my daughter writes great birthday cards. And she wrote a card about, she basically was just saying that, you know, from her perception, I've never put myself first.

Like, I would never take that money and spend it on myself. Right, right. I would spend it on you guys before I would spend it on myself. Like, I just don't do that. I spend a lot of money on other people. And, I mean, and so anyways, she just felt like it was time that I had one. And I mean, I, the thing that touched me the most about it was her gesture to go do that as a surprise. Right. But like, I've used it once. I feel weird using it.

True. But it's nice to have someone go out of the way to get your big, expensive gift. Like, you deserve this. It's nice. Yeah, that's what, whether you used it or not. Yeah. Yeah. It does feel weird. But I like to take trips, you know. I like to spend my money on, I took all of my girlfriends. I got really great seats to see Pink at the Dodger Stadium last year. and I mean that costs a lot and we got a bus and we all went together and that's a deathbed thing I will not be sorry

I spent that money but that's worth it those things are worth it go to a concert sit up front yeah pay the money if you have some money yeah I agree

I'm with you I do that a lot yeah all right so the podcast is wait nope that's it not one more question no go ahead

do you have any statements yeah anything you'd like to no I think did I think did I think I did about the vagina three different women that we were all, that that's what I find the most fun, like the way you guys are, the most fun about our podcast, is that yes, we are rewatching Desperate Housewives, but we're using it as the springboard to be like a community of women talking about life. And hopefully, I think, I hope people will like our chemistry and want to hang out with us. That's really what this whole thing is about. And when I was listening to three, we were just chatting about all kinds of stuff before you got into the episode. Yeah. So that just comes through. I think that's important.

Because they want it, like you settle in. Yes. And you talk, you haven't seen each other overnight. You go, hey, what have. Everything fun happens. Dana and I do that sometimes at the beginning. Yeah. And we just talk about a stupid weekend.

But it, it's kind of makes you relatable. And then you get into it. It is sort of just them listening along and like they're sitting in the room with you. So I expect good things from that. I hope so. Yeah. Thank you guys for helping me promote it. We're going to look at the charts and we, if you go ahead of us, we will.

I seriously doubt that. I seriously doubt that. Oh, we'll be so mad. but I hope you help us pick up a few viewers. Everyone. I hope I get brave enough to do some stand-up that maybe. Oh, I hope you do too. Maybe you can come just tell me I'm bad.

That's, I don't even have to be, I just want to be. I don't look at it as magic. You know, I mean, maybe there's levels of people that are so high. But as far as just being a really good stand-up, you can learn. You already have all the knack, and you've got the whole vibe that's funny. So it's only that we're doing it. And you don't seem like you're scared up there. And that's where people get so scared.

Right. And it takes years. You're past that. So now it's just picking stories. And then you tape it, see what kind of work. You listen back, which is excruciating. And then you go, okay, well, that word. I don't even need this part.

Okay, tighten that up. And then you try it again. Yeah. And then that's like a fun puzzle in itself. Yeah. Is you trying to figure out, crack the code of what? And women of a certain age is a great area. I can't remember the name.

Her last name is Morgan, I think. But she's great. Yeah. And she's so amazing. She's so inspiring. Yes. She's super sweet. So there you go.

There's a huge audience. I'll definitely come see you. Do you stand up? All right. So you tell me. Thank you, guys. So good to see you. Oh, we didn't even get to talk about George Bush.

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