Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - The Phil Hartman Tribute Episode (Live from the Groundlings Theatre)

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

The great Phil Hartman would have just turned 75. Join Dana and David, along with some special guests and a live audience as we celebrate the comedy, life, and legacy of Phil Hartman. Guest include Kevin Nealon, Julia Sweeney, and Jim Downey. Listen to Part 2 with more special guests next! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates, comparison rates not available in all states or situations, price is very based on how you buy. Okay, you guys, we have a special episode today. This is Phil Hartman, sort of a looking back or remembrance, finally at the late great. The tribute to Phil. Yeah, sort of a looking back or remembrance, fondly at the late great tribute to Phil. Yeah, there you go. Because on our podcast, we kept hearing all kinds of people

mentioning Phil Will Farrell, Bill Hader, at admiring Phil, even trying to be like Phil. So we just thought, let's do a show about Phil's greatness on Saturday Night Live. And for that reason, we know there was a tragic tragedy that happened, and we steered away from it for the most part, because we wanted it to be fun, and we let people ramble around, but it was, I'll just say from my side of the fence, is I had had dinner with Phil's daughter and her husband about a year and a half ago and she

expressed kind of wanting to talk about her mom and dad and we went, you know, we told her, do whatever you want, but she did decide to come to the live show at the growlings, we sure about to hear. So that was really nice for her to see all that love pouring out for her dad. And it was, it was emotional, but it also was just a blast to revisit Phil's greatness. And he just made me laugh so much. Yeah. And you're going to hear a lot of laughs because it's old writers and cast members, you know. And we went to the groundlings and went and we were Phil's from, got on stage and had

a great crowd that loved him and we just saw him. Or he is a Hall of Famer, or maybe the goat of the ground lane seems there for 11 years. So we went to the home base of where it all happened. And Julia Sweeney was with us on this particular show and she got her break on that stage. So a lot of great fun to be had on this episode.

It's very interesting and lots of laughs. Yep, we got Kevin Neillen, we got Jim Downey, Dana Myself and Julia. So, hope you like it. Part one. You don't scare me, I got chunks of guys like you in my stool. Hey everybody, a little great montage. Oh shit. You have a cold side. That one's awesome. Thank you very much.

You've been a great audience. David. Hey guys, I'll fix this. Give me a cold side. That looks awesome. Thank you very much. You've been a great audience. David. Hey, guys. I'll fix this. Give me a 25 minute. No, but what happened? I'm going to witness protection program here with the microphone. Try six.

Remember when that submarine went down? I missed that crazy little sub. How long are you going to work on that microphone? I got a touch. Man, mine's okay. I got it. I went to Dubai. I'm under a...

I'm under a vent. And I probably will be for the next. Are you under a vent? Are you feeling it? Yeah, we have. I call it a cool breeze to keep us comfortable. You call it a vent. Brutal.

Who's negative now? So you guys, thanks for coming down. We're gonna get things going because we have all our friends here. A couple of great friends. How long has it been here? It is so quick. They said it's small. I was here once, but man, it's intimate. Yeah. It's really intimate, isn't it? I thought this was like the whole. I want to see Neil Young here. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Don't laugh, but that's not bad for you. You know, just acoustic. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Introduce our panel. OK, we're doing this show and we're going to bring out our guests. In no particular order, I'll just say number one.

It's a, it's a dating game. Yeah. Please welcome from Sarah I Live and everything else. My good friend and David's good friend. Mr. Kevin Neeland. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Woo. Kevin. Nice to see you brother. Nice to see you. I knew Kevin right when I saw it backstage I go I know that that's Kevin Yeah, I don't like to sit any closer to you guys Yeah, this has been pretty distant don't say you like to sit next to you? Because that's who I'll introduce next. Sit next to me. Yeah.

Robbie Margo. Mario, Marco, Robbie. And your twin sister, Robbie Margo. Robbie Margo is a very good actor. I saw that Blake Stair. I thought maybe that's not her name. Well, I saw movie with Pit Brad. You ever seen Pit Brad?

Oh, yeah. That guy is a hell of an actor. Oh, Pitty. Pitty, they call him. Yeah. A town without Pitty. Let's get out to Julia Swainy. Oh, Julia Swainy!

Oh, Julia Swainy! Oh, Julia Swainy! Oh, Julia Swainy! Yeah! Look at that. Woo! They're a packed in you. Lovely, Julia.

One of your own. one of your own. Ground lane, I like when you meet people. Were you a ground lane? How many were ground lanes? How many not ground lanes? Never been a ground. Is that a flaws light? Is that a flaws light? Oh my, that green light went on. Oh, it's all over. What's going on? And of course, our son and steam writer from SoundLife will talk all about that.

The one and only, the infamous writer of SoundLife and other things. Mr. Jim Downey. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Right there, Jimmy.

Yeah, buddy. Thanks, Jimmy. Jim Downey our boss Jim Downey with the re-choose I just I just wanted to sing all right let's see him down he had the re-jewel oh easy Hulk can I get a minute? I'm problem. But we have this worked out before. That can be okay for the next four and a half minutes. I'm not going to work. You would like an adjustment?

Why would we go back? Stay out. Can I get a minute? You really wanted it. No. While they're turning this blow fan off. I just want to be able to see. I was a stand up for yours. And we know how to adjust mics, right?

Yes. I do. Yeah. Mine's perfect. Is that good, too? Thank you. Perfect. All right, let's wrap this up.

Yeah. And David Spay. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. And David Spay! Yeah! Yeah! Alright, welcome to Flying the Wall Live from the infamous groundlings in Hollywood, California. I'm down to Flarpho, this is David Spudler. And we decided to do a tribute to Phil Harman because we have this podcast

that's dedicated to SNL primarily. And everyone kept mentioning Phil's work and his sketches, Will Ferrell and to Phil Harman because we have this podcast that's dedicated to SNL primarily, and everyone kept mentioning Phil's work and his sketches, Will Ferrell and Bill Hayter and others. So we thought, let's do an episode devoted to Phil Harman's greatness, and I guess I'll say genius as a sketch player on Saturday Night Live. So we're going to talk about all that in Sarah Leibhaw. We don't have a script, right? David, we're just flying free.

I'm going to be very obvious. But we do know we all new feel pretty well, some better than others. We could maybe just start with Kevin and we'll just sort of meander and go all over the place, but we will definitely discuss Phil. But Kevin just come, what comes to mind? Phil Hartman. And I knew I was sitting in the wrong chair. I should have ticked the first one. Phil Hartman, I remember when we first got on Saturday live and we were all kind of

getting to know each other. Although I knew a few people. And then somebody was talking about the old guy. There was an old guy that's in the cast, too. He wasn't around yet. but he was really good. His name's Phil Hartman, and he was 37 years old. Gross. And we were all like, wow, he's like an adult.

I got a 18-year-old. He's so old. And so yeah, he was a lot of fun. So we got to, we were shooting the titles, and I remember it was late at night, and we're sitting around waiting for the camera setup, and it's Phil, Jan Hooks, and me. And I don't know if this was a sketch he used to do or what,

but Jan would like feed him lines, say, I forget what his character's name was, like Mr. Pupi was calling him or something, and he was a foreign guy. And he said, Mr. Pupi, can you say, I'm having a good time in Los Angeles. I love I mean in New York I love it here Los Angeles is a good time and the way he did it was really funny I can't even do a fake foreign guy, you know, but

That's one of the things I remember him right off the bat. We'll get back to some other stories a little later. The Y95. Yes. Well, Kevin and I came in together with Phil and we our first show was with Phil. That's where I know you from. Yeah. Remember, we shared an office and remember what I did? We shared an office, a 10 tenth of the size of this stage.

Remember when it started snowing? I looked at the window. We were there for so many hours, you're exhausted. I didn't know about winter, really. Like a winter coat. Well, yeah. Well, I think it was the second year. There's a big tall window in the office on the 17th floor.

Can you hear me waiting the back? And you know, you work so late at night, till like three or whatever in the morning, and after a while you just run out of ideas. I think it was the second year. We're looking out the window, and 30 Rock is lit up from below, and you can see the snow falling down through the window. And we're both standing in front of the window.

It was like a New Yorker cartoon, and we just both said, we had our chance, we had our chance. To get a winner code, that was the first snow. I had my chance, I didn't get it, I don't have it, and now I'm fucked. Yeah. Julian Break, we'll be right back.

Julian, any reflection do you want to share? Well, I do feel before he was on SNL. Wow. It's actually my intermediate teacher. Yeah. Lingo. Lingo. And he was truly one of the best teachers.

I think, I mean, really at least once a week, I think of something that he said. There's not that many people who are really funny and know why they're really funny. They can explain it to you. It seems like don't you think in comedy? Some people are just instinctively funny and they don't know why.

And some people can't explain what they do, but Phil could. And so he was just such an incredible teacher. But I'd taken basic and then I was asked to repeat it. Whoa. Oh. No, that was a great thing. That was a great thing. And then, so I had taken basic twice, and then I got

Phil for intermediate. And I still think, because they were teaching the classes up at that church on Highland and Franklin. Yeah, Scientology. And that's where I took the classes, Phil. And I just loved him immediately. And I knew him from the P.W. Herman show. And of course, I knew him from coming to the ground link.

So I was a huge fan of his. And he changed my life really. Like, he could explain. I remember he had exercises. He talked about taking, like, we had to do, like, a Warner Brothers cartoon character and mash it with a family member we know intimately and come up with a character that's just half of each thing.

Like how just how to do it? Like he just told you how to do it and he had a great laugh and he was so supportive of everyone and then after that we became friends and we hung out a lot and we became really just friends on our own and then I was very exciting to know him After that, we became friends and we hung out a lot and we became really just friends on our own and then it was very exciting to know him and then when he got on SNL, it was such a big deal.

It was so exciting. And then when I got on SNL, I really felt like I had a big brother at the show. Like it was just so great to have him there and he would bring me in his office and kind of explain the things that were happening at SNL. I felt like I had somebody had my back. It was great.

Wow. What wonder. Well, it was it was Lorraine Newman as far as the ground link going to SNL and then it was John Love. John Love. It's and then it was Phil. Yeah. And maybe you were the fourth. Hello. Was I the fourth? I guess maybe not. I'm not sure. I think also Phil was great at teaching the host how to read the Q card. Oh, yes He would not let me look like you're looking at the Q card the gold standard. Yeah, he really knew how to cheat well You know and and also because I forgot to tell you this I don't know if it'll ever come back to me so Take enough time in the world. So Phil's office was next to ours. Close anyway, and I would go in there. I'm the same floor.

This is like a night. I can't remember. Back in the 1900s. So I would go over to Phil, every time I went over to Phil's office, it seemed like he had a different hobby he was doing. He'd either be painting one week, he had the easel in there and books on how to paint and different, you know, paints. And then the next week I go in there, he's

learning how to play the blues guitar. Paints were gone, the paints were gone. And then the next week he's sailing and then next week he's flying an airplane. But he did all those things well. He was really an artist. I know. I know. He did album covers. He did America's album cover. You know, of course, what's that? He was the only, I think I have this right, and I'm sure you guys will correct me if I don't. He was the only cast member who got a writing credit, right? And it was because he had actually come to the show as a guest writer the season before you guys joined.

I didn't know that. Paul Rubens hosted the show. And he came with Paul. And John and Phil were friends from the growling, and was pushing him. But he suddenly, I remember, it was kind of amusing to us that sometimes the cast would kind of notice the fact that they were doing an awful lot of writing.

In some cases, more than Phil, but he was getting a writing credit and none of them were. And Phil did have a really full life with all these hobbies and interests. He loved to... He was a big surfer and a starlier. Yeah. And like, kind of like, you know, sports you wouldn't necessarily size him up and read him for like an adventure guy, you know, but he, um, Conan, Conan used to tell me that Phil would call him up like on a Tuesday go, hey Conan, let's go, you want to go skiing

up and straddle? It's like, uh, feel we have a show this week is like, well, I'll have you back by read through. But we have to write the show that, I mean, that's what read through is. It's the reading of the pieces that the writer's right. You should know this, you're a writer, you know? And it's, oh, come on. You're right, it's what we. And you guys, like, I'm sorry, it's, why is it funny to be? But, you guys wrote an awful lot of stuff,

didn't get it right in time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Phil, I was one of the people who complained, by the way. So, what? And I think they said just Phil gets that. Well, I did get a writer's credit, Jim. My first year there. Because you can't do a writer's feature.

You can't, that's fine. But when you once you were promoted to the next... So then I was giving you opportunity. Promoted. Well, it was like, well, welcome to your smaller place. Let's back up a little bit. I'm going to tell you a very brief story for the next 45 minutes. No, the second season, Lauren said,

we could even make you a cast member, or you could say, feature and keep your writing credit. I said, well, I guess you know what I got to do. So I took the cast member, and I, yeah, and we all kept writing and none of us got credit because Lauren said about getting paid, the writers got paid more, right Jim? Yeah.

Yes, the writers. For kids, we could go, we could go make money outside the show. Yeah, right. Yeah, and by the way, I mean, it is to the advantage of performers to write for themselves. It is. I mean, it is to the advantage of performers to write for themselves. It is. I mean, yeah.

And the writers. But Jim. Well, let me do that. Let me do that. But Jim. That's what I love about this. Just devolved into us arguing about that. Yes, that's what I meant.

Joe, you wrote on the show. You know what I said. I'm only hearing this now. You wrote all your stuff. Yeah. I'm mad. But Lauren said the writers aren't gonna go on and make a lot of money like we are.

So cut to Conor O'Brien, great Daniels, Dave Mendel, Oh, you can't know. Yeah. By the way, Phil would have loved this discussion. Yeah. He would have been over it. You're one of my partners.

But yeah, it was true that the feeling was, I mean, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know be they were going to make money and move these and so on that in a ways that writers can. Well, Jim's, Jim's the, he was the, he was the, he was the, he was the head writer when I was there. And he was making 325,000 a week. I, I, I, I'm out of that wrong.

I know. Now, I think what happens Julia is when you and Kevin and Dana, we would lose the writing credit, me cast, and then you thought you'd get this cavalcade of sketch just written for you. And then you go, wait. Right. So I still, I guess I self-derike because no one is writing for me. And that's what always is.

So anyway, get back to say it. Anyway, the other half of that. No, it's not. Yeah. The other half of that though is, it's not just that Phil was the only one who got a writing credit and had to salary and like an amy or something. And at his own office. Yes.

But it wasn't even close in terms of which cast member did the writers write for? Phil. Yeah, yeah. It was Phil by Leanne. He was writing for him. Yeah. who which cast member did the writers write for fill yeah yeah this is this is an unexpected turn will be back will that will be reset to stay shoulder

our back up guess will be out in a moment it Our backup guests will be out in a moment. Can we just on the writing thing? I'm trying to accuse them. I got something, my god. I just want to say this. When Kevin and I did Hanson Franz, or stuff that you put out there, there was a time.

Yeah, stuff those guys. Yeah. Do you remember that? Do you guys remember that? Jim was in a pretty example of the cast writing, and then Jim became a fan of the sketch, along with Robert Spigel, and was a big contributor. But we designed the template.

And if you'll play the funniest role in those characters, helmet. Well, Hans and Franz were like these idiotic bullies and Ego maniacs paranoid schizophrenics. I remember. And they still came on as the Browbitten Helmut, this very sad sack with a droopy prosthetic to make him look really pathetic. And that was the brilliant thing about Phil. He could come on and almost be like a silent clown

in this very contained and result out of melancholy around him. Hello, I'm Helmut. I am Helmut. I am Helmut. And Helmut, turn around so you can see your buttocks. You're lucky we don't have a campfire here. Your buttocks are like marshmallows. If you took your belt off, you caused a flabber ledge.

I could flick you with my little finger and you would fly across the room and land in your own baby pool. This is the sophistication of the writing. That was Jim Downey's line, I gotta say. Jim's like, how did you not get money for writing that stuff? It was also his, was the body but a pump of two. Did you remember that? I just know. I mean, it's a lot of water over the dam, but yeah.

That was a funny shit, man. That was a kind of thing where you guys walked in with that, and Smigel and I both really responded to that. So we would occasionally have a throw you a line or something. That's the best. That's when the show really is working with that writers. But that is, I mean, the writers, it's really a performer show. I mean, you wouldn't necessarily know it

from the credit system, but it is. The performers are the leading edge of that show. And a performer, you know, can lift a mediocre script. You know, a great script can't necessarily work if the performer doesn't have something, you know? But the, and any move we're on strike now, so we're not doing it. Is it illegal what we're doing right now?

I'm in. No, that did cross my mind, by the way. My, is this, and if, was friend, dresser, was he a ground link or Where she's in the audience and a mask so anyway fill I have a question down. He didn't have the answer any help friend dresser a very funny friend If you have to know al frank Franken, but it was a dinner. Dana, it's Al.

Al had wanted to be very badly to take over update. This was at the time when, in fact, Norm McDonald took over. And so, and Al was like really making his cases, Al would do, relentlessly over a long period of time and talking to lots of people. So finally, Lauren said, well, if it's not going to be Al, we need to tell him. And so, we, it was one of these posh Italian restaurants.

And so, and it was me, Lauren, and Al, and we got to dinner, and we finally get around to the... I was like, so what? What's it going to be? And it's like, um, Al, we, um... Jim was thinking. It's not, you know, they're going to think. And so we had just gotten done telling Alice, the feeling is that it would

be with you, it would be good. And certainly it would have an attitude, it would have a political edge. But maybe we wanted to be not partisan just sillier and Alan Wound, and he was very upset. And he just started to vent and friend-dressher, who did it the next day, was like, hi! And it was just, it's a long, I don't do the friend-dressher voice, obviously. But it was just, I mean, I think she's great and funny

I think it was just the worst timing It's a step-threaten now Plaintance thing I'm sorry. I just sparks it at when you told me two things earlier a little birdie told me two things about Phil and Sarah night live one was one one was I'm certain this is true of that. Phil was probably in more pieces than any cast member in history, especially now that the cast are so huge. I mean, when you guys were there, there was more like eight, nine, ten.

What kind of money is the cast making now? So, okay. A lot of money. We want to go there again. It's in everything. No, Phil would be in so many pieces that our running order would be determined by his waging requirements. So that after you guys, after we had that,

the way that show works is on the last rehearsal, the studio breaks at 11 o'clock on Friday night. And I would be up there in Lawrence office with Lauren and mainly the heads of the departments like the set and costume departments and and making sure, you know, hammering out a running order for a dress, deciding which sketches would go where in the order. And based the way it worked was we would have our ideal order based on the comedy and the flow.

And let's, you know, this is a big full casting open with that. And then we, you know, this is a smaller piece that will be a nice segue and we film here to transition something and The way it works is You know, it's like a Swiss army knife where we have to if we're producing like 13 pieces in this fairly tiny space were producing like 13 pieces in this fairly tiny space. The sets, the same space has the service as the base for like three sketches in the course of nine. So the sets have to be assemble, taken down, a new set brought in,

and something has to be entertained in the audience while this is going on. So you have film and other, you can't do it during a sketch. Anyway, no one ever envisaged a problem where it would be a performer. Like amazingly, they found a way to build like a Roman Colosseum piece during a little two minute film

and then remove it and turn it into like a modern restaurant. But the problem is like, can you get from like Roman Coliseum to, you know, Warsaw or something? Yeah, we can, but wordrobe has the problem and it was Phil's hair because Phil was in every piece. and it was Phil's hair because Phil was in every piece. And so if it was like a bald paint, you know, they'd toast take time to get on if he's gonna be bald. And so we finally got to the point where just put him in a fucking bald paint

and put wigs on him over. Every night, yeah. So a lot of times he would. But what we used to, he literally, we could, like, we'd have a running order, they're perfect, and then Tom Broker, who was one of the costum people would go, um, now I've got a film problem.

I'm sorry for that, to that. And it was only because he was in every fucking piece. And he was so organized. I remember him bringing in, but he had this binder, he had things for every sketch. Like, and the actors weren't that organized. Well, you weren't, if you weren't in as many sketches as he was in, but he would be like an eight sketches in a show, like routinely.

I'm trying to remember if you ever had a white show. And cast members, That was a thing that we kept from you people to the extent we could, but sometimes Lauren would go, you know, Kevin's really light in the show. Does anyone have, and often, No, I'm saying for a shaper. It could have been Dana. That was my choice by the way. It wasn't Dana, it better happen. But, you know, and it was just the luck of the draw.

Except in the case of Phil, he never seemed to have it. I don't remember, although an interesting fun fact about Phil is that he never appeared even one time on the update. He was the only cast member who never did. He managed to get through however many seasons he did. They couldn't get the wig on him in time. They couldn't do it. And he finally did when he came back to host the show after he left. He came back and he did Frankenstein on update.

This might be a good time to look at something for fun. We have a little clip of Phil as Frankenstein. Was Frankenstein. Jim wrote that. Didn't he? He was tarzan. Kevin played tarzan with Jack handy and I would write Jack and Tonto was John Loveitz. Yeah, it for the idea

was it wasn't the idea was it started with we were gonna do a piece about caveman Christmas caroling and and it was the idea of cavemen dropping out the, I guess it's the indefinite article. So the and and and stuff. So, oh, way in manger, no crib, for a bed. You know, that was the way they would sing. And then it became like, the thing with Tarzan was Tarzan, you know, Tarzan would speak like that

with that contradiction, but then suddenly throw like some highfalutin word that you're like Tarzan, see, white hunter come on a scarpment. You know? And it's like what? And so we had, you know, Tarzan was the same kind of idea

and then Tonto, you know. So anyway, it was just that people who talked. Anyway, we have, I got 45 second clips. No, let's go. We do have a short clip. I'm mad. OK, but what about the INF tree? Excuse me, Ms. Palmer.

Frankenstein, I understand the question. Oh, I'm sorry. The INF Treaty, it outlawed medium-brained nuclear, excuse me, nuclear missiles. At least that in the European theater. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that.

I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that.

I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. I'm not going to say that. broke hard. Jim did you see his audition? Phil, you probably watched all of our auditions, right? Yeah. Yeah. He was our great. You're all great. You still look at him. I don't regret any of the choices we want. Thanks, Dad. And Phil, you, so what happened is you guys usually, you and Lauren, they hear about someone to get as far as an audition. It takes a lot, right? So they're already probably pretty good just to get as far as an audition. It takes a lot, right? So they're already probably pretty good just to get in front of you guys.

So by the time you see Phil, you've heard a lot. He was, was he hired before, I'll, Kevin and Dana? No, we'll talk to him at the same time. Oh, you're all on the same show. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I drifted off in the middle. He might have technically been in the discussion just because of the poll. He had been at the show. He was just working. All right, right, right.

And John Lovitz was. But John had to talk him into it. He didn't want to. I didn't know that. He didn't want to. What? Be a cast member. I mean, when I met him, he was supposedly a writer.

And John came on. He's the funniest. He's the greatest. You've got to hire him. And John's really new. He'd seen him here. They worked together. They did.

They did peace. Yeah. So Julie, did Phil recommend you, was that any, or did you just, I don't think so. Did you audition right here? Yeah, I auditioned here. We're like, we're a physical.

I like the time machine. I'm like, I'm out this whole area. Right mean, did you audition right here? Yeah, I auditioned here. We're like, we're a physical. I like the time machine. I know I'm like, I'm out this whole area. Right there. Wow. Was I here? Was I right here? You're right there, turn me on. I remember it was between me and Lisa Kudrow,

and when I got it, I thought I really hoped that Lisa had a career. Because she deserves something. She's so good. Scraps. It just shows you. You never know. You so good. Scraps. It just shows you. You never know. You never know.

No one shows this. You never know. But you came on. Did you bring, when you're bag of tricks, it's Pat. Did you have that? Yes. I had done it here, but I had this character that I'd done many times here called me a culpa.

And I thought that was going to be my big, you know, character. Well, okay. And then Pat, I'd only done one sketch here as Pat. What was Miyakopa like? It was just a character who she apologized for. Well, I'm thinking 10 seconds. No, she's an apologist. I can't talk like this, and she just said,

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Anyway, anyway, anyway. Oh yeah. Anyway, that's Miyako. And I just fun to play. I had one best play of the LA Weekly. Like I thought, okay, I have my character, and I could not get this character on.

In fact, Al Franken said he thinks I did more sketches trying to get that character on them. Any other person need ever seen. I think I tried to get on 15 sketches as me a goal, but, and then I thought, you know what? They don't like this character Yeah How did you get the dress or you just did it at re-through did it ever get to dress or no?

No, okay, just re-through But then I'll put it in his movie and I'm Stewart say to his family. He had me play that character So you were good and strong enough to do it all right But no, I don't they don't I had done bad heroes that down left. How did you come up with any meocopa? What does it mean? I just had a comment that's like, I mean, I vote.

Jim, Julia, Kevin, no. And now, I'm saying, I was going to to it. I was gonna say, I remember, what we don't talk about a lot is the commercial parodies. And some of my favorite ones were colon blow. Colum blow. And that was pure, that was the star of that one. He did my first thing I ever wrote was chia head. I don't know, Kevin, were you in that?

I think you were in that. Yeah. And, uh, Chris Rock. Were you in that? Julia? I think chia head? I don't think so. Hey, she had, I think Chris Rock was. And I am filled with that. And then I think he did a salon. There's a couple more. So I remember. Change bank. Oh, it made, he did change bank. You changed. Well, Jim was the announcer for change bank.

That's like when you tell Rige Jackson, he had three home runs. Jim was like, oh, yeah, I remember change. That's like when you tell Reggie Jackson, he had three home runs, Jim was like this. Oh yeah, I remember changing. Oh yeah. Yeah. That was you. How would you describe change back? Yeah.

It was a very quiet aggression of a bank. A commercial for things. It was just a guy. Everyone's a guy and not very mediogenic guy. Way too excited about something that he was the most excited person about. And it was explaining something at great length that everyone gets instantly about the explanation. And it's just something that always made me laugh as a writer just like, you don't understand, it'll be great because I remember wrote a piece

one time about the female owner, Joan Crock, who was like, she owned the, who'd she own the Padres? Oh, Ray Crock's widow? Somebody, anyway, Benny, she was giving it, she was giving it, Benny was giving it a shot. Yes, he talked to the team,

your baseball team, and saying, and you hitters tonight, hit a home run, hit a home run, and I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why. Because when you hit a home run, you get to run around all of the bases. True, true. And so, and, you know, I don You know, and so, and you know,

I don't know, I was just, but Change Bank is like, that, and you're a- You didn't change bank for it. Yeah, yeah. No. Change, change, change, bank, change, bank. Change, bank, change,

well, they don't know the idea is people bring change in. The bank would make you change. A bank, a bank. No, the only thing this bank did was to actually make change. And so it's just explaining it. And art and I, it's like, well, I wrote it for Kevin. I wrote the part with Kevin playing it. And I remember, and maybe you forgot

I was like in the show. And the show. Whoa, okay. I was like, we'll be right back. The plan, what are you saying? But Kevin, I remember I was getting very noty with the performance thing and you were the one who suggested that I do it instead.

And wow. And I became much lighter in the show. So that's making you feel like, well, but no, but I mean it was, I remember your some gymnasium feelings, you've seen you have very specific ideas about this. And I mean, you could do it. Why don't you do it? And I was sort of thinking, why don't you just do it? It wasn't that, it wasn't that tone at all, but, but, um, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, So 12 plus it's 35 years ago. That's a long ass time ago. Easy, easy. But maybe you don't have to hear it.

Yeah. All right. No, no, no. I'm afraid to do it. Do your cold open. Jim, let me hear it. I'm this close to doing it, if you don't do it. It's just like it.

You want change for a dollar. We can just be 10 dollars. And then I was in the graphic like, at first at first citywide change bank, we do one thing. We make change. And it's like, you can bring it in a $10 bill, a $5 bill. We will give you change.

You can bring it a $5 bill, but we'll give you five singles, 25 quarters, 50 dimes. And I'm explaining, many people don't realize that the sheer variety of change accommodations. It's a real deal. Yeah. It was that one shit. It was just an excitable guy. Sorry, man.

Yeah. All right, we have a clip of Change Bank non-carrier. I thought we did. Oh, they're disappointed. We had to go into the car you can fuck. Was that one? The car you can fuck? Is that one? The car you can fuck? Is that one? That sounds like something we did, but I don't.

I thought that was... I thought that was... I know we did. Bonnie and Terry Turner wrote a really funny piece. It was about a car... It was called the chameleon. Yeah. And it was a luxury car that no one would steal.

Because it was like inside, it's like, you know, plush leather and just the finest, you know, mahogany glove box and all this stuff. Super, super, but the exterior was rust and bondo. And, and, and it was just designed to look like a piece of crap that wouldn't get stolen. Yeah, I'm, all right. Well, there's some fill. that wouldn't get stolen. Yeah, I remember that one. Alright, well, there's some film.

And Phil was in that? Yeah. He was in everything. Yeah. Phil was loaded and he was always great. Okay. We have a lot of clips. So, David, you can decide.

Can you read those? I don't want it to be a sketch we did with me. Oh. Well, oh yeah, why don't you do it? Well, do show the rest of that Frank Sinatra we showed earlier. That was a big one. Oh, that's an after group. All right, let's talk about that for a sec.

We done McLaughlin group on the show and then the idea was to have I'm Bonnie and Terry are done in Frank Sinatra sketch with Phil who did a great Frank Sinatra and then the inspiration I don't know I don't know where it came from. Robert Smigel probably. Yeah, so it's if you haven't seen it it's Frank Sinatra has a kind of a news talk show and he's very critical everybody that's all you really have to do. He hates it. It's filling all his glory in this particular

Skatchel is played by sting I think it was Jen hoax was a shenanot corner and we had Mike Myers and Big TV as Steven EV and Chris rock was Luther Campbell. I was not in that sketch I was not in that sketch. I'm going to do it. Uh, uh, let's look at it. Let's go to a clap. We'll see you now.

We're the hang worth of Ava Gardner. Who would you rather nail? I just want to find myself because I don't want to. I'll think I'm bloody stupid old fox. You're all fucked, man. You want to be somebody I'm bloody stupid old fart. You're all part one, are you a piece of me? I'm right here. Don't provoke me, old man. You don't scare me, I got chunks of guys like you and my stool. That's funny.

Oh, okay, that was a same clip from before. I think there's a radio raising there, so sharp. Well, let's see if we can get lucky with the next one. Phil, Kevin, do you want to look at the hair? Just hold it up. Just hold it up over there. Oh. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Kevin, we don't have a clip, but you did Cisco and Ebert. I saw that on Anna. What happened to you? What was that funny? What was that one? What happened to Johnny Carson? Oh. And McMahon. Johnny Carson and McMahon. that's a loser. That's feels like a good. Okay. You're right. A cool. Well, we should take him when we can.

Johnny Carson me doing that with Phil Hartman was one of my favorite. Yeah, I'm a Reagan. Reagan master Reagan master mastermind. Yeah, that was that was written by virtually the entire writing stuff. This was Phil Harbman playing Ronald Reagan, the daughtering fool, and then the guests would leave, and then he would switch the whole war room out, and you'd speak 10 languages, and you became incredibly sharp. It was just for the force for Phil. Always faking being dumb, and then when the doors closed, you'd be spotted.

I remember, I think I saw that before I came on the show Should we look at it? Mr. President sir, yes, the chair level 30 photo opera 28, the little girl who stole the most gross cop copies Okay, let's hear it over with everybody out. Oh Well, he says That's good ass sales lady Maybe I could use you up on Capitol Hill I'm on the scene. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. 10 minutes. 10 minutes.

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He was asking some impertinent questions about a writer's credit. And we decided to make an example of it. I don't know. Dennis. Wait, Kevin was telling us about Cisco and Ebert. We don't have a clip, but what was that one? It was not my favorite.

I'll tell you that. I know that you brought that up. I even forgot I was in. I thought you said you liked it. No, I never liked that. Oh, really? Maybe I did. What was it about?

It's been 35 years. You do a Cisco and Ebert sketch, do we? Is this the this the these are people we're talking about yeah, no And there's a little known fact low-shed. Yeah, that a sister in the board sketch. We do must have been though later I would have been there, but I don't remember you would have been there during that right? Okay, start stop Love it sketches. Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that. Let's do the ones who are. Love it sees the ground link, too. Oh, yeah. John's favorite.

What is love? It's why isn't he here? John would be too emotional. He said, yeah, he was too much to him today from an hour. Yeah. We talked to him yesterday on in person at my house and about all this. And then he said he was too scared to come to me. He would break down. Oh, yeah. He said too emotional, but he and Phil were,

when I first got on the show, I didn't really know him that well. We're just hanging out at Lawrence House and they always talked his gangsters to each other. What's up? Hey, I love it. The dynamite, the producer said, is that all they do?

Have you seen him do anything else? He goes all day long. He went to Sam and Shib off right away, you know. So then they wrote this sketch where I kind of wish we showed these whole sketches. So they do it here. Where John is the movie studio head and Phil is to wash up after.

And here's a short from the 40s or something, right? Yeah, we are. They're in that whole mode. We're going to make too many of these war movies. Say good to take a rest, that's all right. I'm glad you brought that up, Johnny. I think you should take a rest too. I'm coming at one.

What do you mean? I'm not near go. You mean? Yes, your contact didn't do a little. But now I finish, Johnny. Don't get towards. I think it's Steve. It's time for me to turn happy with my work.

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But that was the one Saturday Night Live. I was more confused than spade getting on there. I mean, I had nothing. I had not one character. It's true. Nothing going on for myself. Well, what about you? I didn't realize it was the height. So, Blymmelman, would you... Yeah, that I had to get in the car. You killed on the first few bars. So, Bly, little man, could you do a little bit of that? That was on the first show, but it killed. You did it on update. Oh, you did the first show?

Yeah, it was me, and Victoria Jackson, and John Loveitz. And it was a advertising company. And I remember this is my first sketch I've ever done. And it's a little difficult because you have like two conversations going on, and you really couldn't go off the cue cards because it's kind of rapid Dialogue and I'm standing there waiting to go on first time ever and Lauren comes up alongside of me And he puts his hand on my shoulder like 10 seconds away. He goes Are you sure this is what you want

Very very Lauren. He loved the scares, but it was a spherical, in retrospect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd be really like, really nice if this was like funny. You know, right? Okay. I mean, that was Lauren's.

Yeah, that was so him. But that character was basically, you know, he'd be talking about, you know, boy, I'd, oh, you know, I'd love to have dinner with you tonight, he'd be talking about, you know, boy, I'd, oh, you know, I love to have dinner with you tonight, your treat. You know, if you want to, you know, hang out afterwards your place, and that'd be a lot of fun, you know? So it was always kind of, yeah. What was the one where the audience could fill in the blanks? That I never did on that show.

I was in the audience at the tonight show that when we were living together, and I was one of the people that was a merveg And you were Jim was our third teacher. Yeah, that was not SNL. That was a bitch me. That was Carson Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was just like I'd become a story true story and I wouldn't ask the audience to fill in the word. I would just say, you know, it was crazy. I was driving home last night. Right on here and...

Melrose? Melrose. Yeah. And, you know, I was a little tired. I had like one drink and I get late at night till I'm like, I was probably like midnight. Midnight. Midnight. You know, midnight.

And I'm telling you, you know, I've been in this town for a long time, and I usually carry a little cash. Cash. You know, in my car. But I'm telling you, this was a little, this was from the change bank, actually. You know? Anyway, you went on and on like that.

No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know. Gavin, when these two guys were like, my favorite stand-up, when I was at the improv, I'd always go watch them. And then I always knew Kevin's jokes. But let's remember, this is not about me. This isn't about you?

I thought it switched halfway through. I got a text. The topic is movie tar. Julie, do you have a... Oh, Jim has a hand. No, do you have a, oh, Jim has an answer? No, I was just singing of something that actually involves, very much involves Kevin and Phil. I mean, you guys, now you guys remember

that I was pretty contained at the read through table. Partly, it's my nature, partly. I, you know, it's a matter of like, I didn't want to, you know, you know, I had to have been like a judge. You did laugh very hard. You did laugh very hard. I did laugh very hard. Yeah. There was one time, I absolutely, a couple times,

a Damon Wands audition. I completely lost my shit. And then, at, um, when it was a piece of Kevin wrote, which I hope is well known to the audience, I hope it's online, but the first one was called The Hostage. And it was Phil plays like this, this hopped up thug in like a wife-beater t-shirt and his hair greased backater t-shirt and his hair grease back and you know, tatted up and everything and Kevin is a, like a straight lace business man who's tied up in,

in this, this, this, um, rat hole apartment and, and feels like, um, waving this huge fucking gattness face going like, if you're real smart, you're gonna play, you're gonna play ball, these people are gonna come up with this rattle, right? Cause I'm a bean mean motherfucker. I'm a bad, that bad apple, I'm rotten at the core. I'm just gonna put a bullet in your head and it's okay, and so, and so, and so he's like, you know, super intimidating and then Kevin, and Kevin says,

I know, they're gonna get that ransom honestly. Hey, what's that over there? Did he try to escape? Phil instantly stops it. And he goes, what the hell was that about? What is he trying to do? He's just got to tell you a bad, bad brother. And he had your actual right, sir.

I had no business doing that. That was the great thing. Is that the wrong? He did it right, you were the wrong. He did it right. It's a gun, bang bang. I'm going to go see your, and he goes, it's Kevin pledges, and then immediately tries

to escape again. The whole thing was, the whole sketch is Kevin repeatedly tried to escape after Phil threatened him. And then Phil, forgiving him, and like giving him another chance. But the top was at the end where his name was Mace by the way and there. Mace, he says, I gotta go to the bathroom. Are you better not leave while I'm still going to the bathroom? I gotta hit the head.

He would shut the door. And he had a sit down. And he would, everyone's, he would, he would push the door open just a little bit. And see if I was doing it. You're about to know me. Oh, God, that's a perfect film. But he was great with that.

That Mace was great. And then we did another one with Peeping Tom. We're also Peeping Tom. You better get one away from the window. I'm not going to tell you again. It's in Jan Hook's plate with a prostitute and Phil was just gotten out. And he's just gotten out of like a three-year stretch. with a prostitute and Phil was just got now.

He's just got now like a three year stretcher. So he's like, oh yeah, little lady. Mace, mace is gonna take real good care of you. And she's like, before the fire and ask, yeah, whatever, just get it done. And like, all the base is gonna get it done. Oh, no. Let's get the get it done.

Reenem, hey, hey you. Oh, bass is gonna get it done. Oh, girl. I'm just gonna get it done. Hey, hey you. And Kevin, Bill Kevin's head in the window. What the hell are you doing? You're free. You're sick free. It's a kid in the same dynamic. But the thing that I was getting it was Kevin,

I was astonished later to, I just assumed like, well Phil, so is this a character Phil had done at the groundlings or something and Kevin decided, I have an idea for your Mace character for this piece, and Phil just said, oh no, I just, no, Kevin just wrote the script and I was just interning. I thought he did a character name Mace here, no? Didn't he? Did he say something in after a few times? But then he is talented. But you know. But that was a perfect, that was a perfect,

filled character. I mean, that is so perfect. I used to sit. You know, Phil would sit right next to me. I would sit. Yeah, I mean, me and Lauren said they had the table and Phil would, I don't know why, but maybe the writing credit is not a thing.

He sat right, right, right at the right hand up at the table. And so he's doing that character right next to me. And there was something about it was like, you know, like kind of like a accordion kind of that energy that comes, I mean, it was, you couldn't sit, just sit, and you know, quietly poker face that thing. It was, but I strongly urge people to try to find an online.

It should be, I have a copy at home if anybody wants to see it. You know, Kevin, you did a sketch. I thought it was very funny once and please fill me in. Well, Phil, Phil was in it. Yeah. Maybe it's Julia or Victoria, but it was, waiters without a pad. And for him to be, for him to be, but it was Waders Without A Pad. And for him to be...

I love that one. For him to be... But I love that one. Kevin was the funny one in it, but Phil, underplaying his part, is always sells the other side of the sketch. And it's very hard to do. And then you're getting twice the laughs,

because you get a laugh and then he gets his reaction. He was so good at that. He totally understood what you were going for in the sketch and what was needed from him and how he could elevate the sketch. We were just talking about that piece earlier. I know, but you remember this moment in the piece where it's Phil is Kevin is shown up

he's super smooth and it's an elegant restaurant. He's taking these complicated orders. And at one point, so he says, aren't you going to write any of this down? Oh no, that won't be necessary. And so, so, so, Kevin leaves and and and and and feels like, you see, one of the guests is, wow, that's really impressive that he can memorize almost complicated orders. So it's like, listen, he's he's a professional at his job, but I'll tell you something else. But he makes a damn good living out of it.

I just, do you remember that? The reading guy that makes a damn good living. Let me go, don't kid yourself. That guy, he's sharp. And he never lets it down. He gets it wrong every single time. But the joke, the joke, like a typical joke in the piece is like, would you like to start off with a drink? And it's

like, so people are giving very specific, very memorable drinks like, yes, I like a vaudecoma tree, which is a little bit of vermouth. Got it. Want some angus? Very nice. And then, very nice. And then like do it. Absolutely. But that's absolutely. And then like, I'd like just a white wine, simple white wine, class wine. Oh, good.

Shardin, that would be excellent. And then Kevin comes back. So they talk about how brilliant Kevin must be in any effect. I mean, we do drinks. The cream dicker season. Red food. Red coke. from the gentleman, the diet you who for the lady

and for the gentleman, a cremdicassies. It's like, that's not what I ordered. It's like, really? You know, anyway, that was, so it's Kevin's refusal to write anything down. My schedule seemed to escalate with the same premise. There's more and more, you know, until it got so absurd. I remember the last order I took. Well, I don't remember it, but the last bit was I would go off with their order.

No, I swear to God, I'll get it right this time. I know exactly what you want. Okay, I got it, I got it. Yeah, don't worry about it all. And I leave and then Phil's phone rings. And he picks it up. And then you cut to me by the kitchen. I'm sorry. Once again, that was the tuna tartar and the meatloaf. No, what did you just write it down? I got it. I got it. I got it. Oh, wait a minute. I'm sorry. One of the nicest things you were talking about feels contribution.

It's at one point feels like, I think I'm happy to give you the order again. But this time, I think you might want to write it down. And it's like, no sir, that won't be necessary. Friend. Friend, yeah. Friend is the one here. That's right. That's it, friend. That's it, friend. He's that's right that's it friend

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and remembering things and talking to wardrobe or whatever. It's okay. The tickets should be down there. Did you check with the usher? Yeah, the guy ever said, no, I got nothing to do. Yeah, I'm fine. Yeah, go ahead. So that was the thought for the boxer.

I was doing a gig, doing stand-up just two weeks ago. And I'm at a restaurant, and sometimes you see the people at the restaurant when they're coming to the sold-out theater, whatever it is. So, I don't know, I don't know. It doesn't matter. It doesn't take it master. So, this table full of like seven is sitting there,

and a guy goes, spit it out, I'll come with you, show tonight. I go, all right. And then, and then he goes, I guess if you're here, the show hasn't started, so yeah, okay. So, we go through those. And then, and then I get up to go, and I go, all right, here we go.

And he goes, hey, we're gonna be the wall. Can you tell him to keep seven open? I go, see. I know. tone to keep seven open. I go. So I got to go there like lay across seven seats until you come over. Yeah. That's my job. Do you remember when we would do the sketch pitch ideas on Monday afternoon at Worms office? It was so small. There was like, I don't know, how many of us with Jim and everybody, and Al Franken. We barely fit in there, but Lauren insisted

that we do in his office. And his desk took up like half of the office. And we just all sit around cramped in there and each, we go around the room and Lauren would point and go, David, what do you have? You tell your idea. Dana, and then it would go around and feel would always be so quiet in those things.

And I don't know if, I don't think he pitched an idea much. Yeah, I don't know. And then Lauren, I guess he had talked to Lauren privately about his idea or whatever, but he didn't have to pitch because he was always done everything. Yeah. But then you guys do fake pitches because like if you did a really good pitch on Monday, then it was all Wednesday. Jim had to decide which ones were supposed to when you go.

You know, I had to say caveman afraid of caves. That's me. She'd play the caveman. I do the same pitch. I remember pitching to Christopher Walken and maybe Harvey Kaitel too, different shows. I said my idea is this, Lauren. It's a runaway truck stop, you know, gravel, and a steep hill, and there's a bar at the end of it.

And I'm the bartender, and the walking comes in. Everybody comes in rattled, you know? And then, you know, it just writes itself after that. But you know, right?, it just writes itself after that. But you know what? I think writing is a challenge. I would pick that like, you know, all year and every time I go. Yeah. I should explain it to the audience that the show, we gather,

you have to have some kind of opening gun to signify, okay, we're, you know, we have to start doing the show. That would be like Monday evening at like, they became later and later over the years, but they were supposed to be around like five or six o'clock. And like as Kevin said, everyone crammed in the lawns, capacious, but not for like 30 people in size office. And so people would be like, sitting each other's laughs, people like 12 people on a single couch.

And then I had a chair, and the, because I was the head writer producer, and then the host had a chair, and we were sort of, you know, the head of the candidate. And the cast, the other big cast, sat on the floor. And then they would go around in Larmico,

you know, Al, and the Alfringer did the same joke for like, which we all, which would like, um, he'd go like, um, you know, you know, ladies, ladies gentlemen, this week, you know, Buck Henry, ha, next week, Steve Martin. Just to remember that. Yeah. But, um, the, um the the most famous thing he from I remember from any host meeting was he would go through and then he'd finally ask the host like Steve did you have anything you want to do and and it was Chris walkin was the first time he hosted and we didn't really know you know exactly what he's gonna be like.

He just sat and stared out the window. He didn't even look at us. He was staring back. But, he had lying. He said, Chris, did you, anything you wanted to suggest? Apesuits of funny. No, he said, he said, bad. Apesuits of funny. Bills as well. That's, he said he said bad suits of funny bears as well Well, I don't know the way I remember he said a best suits of funny and bears as well

So for an hour he processed that thought That suits of funny and bears as well No, I think it was more like this. Bass suits are funny. And what do you know what? No, here's what happened with that, I think. If I remember correctly, the Russian circus was playing at Radio City Music Hall across the street. And I remember that.

And I said, maybe be funny if we did something with that, because they have bears over there and stuff. And maybe some bear says, BAPSOOTS ARE FUNNY! But I could be wrong about that. But he... Did he host? I. Right?

Yeah, he said, BAPSOOTS ARE FUNNY. And maybe a wind's world. LAUGHTER Actually, that week that he was on, I got a cat from him. We started, he... Yes. Catsuits are funny, too. No, I went to his apartment up on the upper west side.

We started talking about cats, and he had a cat that had some kittens. And I was living with a couple in Brooklyn, and they wanted another cat. And also, we're big fans of Christopher Walkin. And then he said, well, you know, I can't do it, but it was like, come over and I will give you the cat. I was like, okay, I went up there and his wife is the casting director, right? George General Walkin. Anyway, she let me in. And then I sat in the living room, waiting, it was like this townhouse. And then he came in and said,

you've come to get the cat. And I said, yeah. And he goes, I wanted to, I can't, I wish I could do this. But he just let him. Yeah. It's, I'm terrible at that. But anyway, he said,

this cat is the most, the father of this cat cat is the most the father of this cat is he died from fucking exactly that he said he got cat aids because he was such he loved a fuck he loved to fuck this cat. And I said, oh, and there's a cat. That was from the cat. And he said, do you want to see a picture of the father? The cat. And I said, yes.

And then he laughed. And he came back with like an eight by 10 of a cat. And he was like, you need to follow the cat. You're getting this cat. Couldn't stop fucking. He thought, and thought, and the cat, you're getting his, he was sired by this cat. Love it.

Yeah. Thank you. I like that impression. I wrote a sketch with me walking in it and you know, at the end of the show, I was usual. And it was, it had two things going on at the same time. And Lauren came up to me and he goes, you know, you got two different kind of things coming out. I think you need to lose one and have, you know, lose a, lose walk-ins thing.

And you could tell them tomorrow. And that. You were my brother. Jim, when I were thinking. Jim, you were thinking. And so I told them, and I said, and he said, I don't know what, you know, why that would would happen and, you know, what is the best way? We'll talk about it tomorrow, you know, and I don't see him for like three days.

And then he comes up to me, it's like, like we never stopped talking. It goes right into the middle of the conversation again because, you know, I'm not sure if it's the right thing to do. It's like if he went back to his kindergarten, kindergarten reunion. No, I just thought that you were grading on a curve. I didn't know that you were... And he smelled like garlic all the time.

Mm. Which is good. It's healthy. You know what, Phil's sketch, I like? Not to bring it back to Phil, but... Phil was there. The one where he was dancing with Jan Hooks. Oh, the bass, the bass! Oh, touch up. He's a dream.

Oh, love is a dream. Come here, love is a dream. Who wrote that down, he? Tom Schiller. Oh, Schiller Vision? Yeah, it's a Schiller, yeah. Oh, yeah. It was a Schiller Vision one more time.

Schiller, one more time. They, one of those little Schiller visions, this is, I was a little yeah, it was a short. Shiller vision one more cool around they did they one of those little Shiller visions. This is I have a bad neck, you know, and one of the reasons I figured out is because in one of the things it wasn't Julia. I don't think we were at Central Park and we were paying off a joke where they dropped the bomb somewhere and then two older people are walking. We're an old makeup and then they drop a bomb and hits me on the head. So it's like way later, years later.

And so he's above me with a ladder, and he goes, this is a fake bomb. It's okay, like I think it's a real bomb. I didn't think it was a real bomb. I just thought it was something heavy. And I go, and you're dropping it really on my head and he goes, yeah, it'll be fine. And I'm new, so I don't want to say anything.

Drops this thing on me, cracks my neck. Oh my, oh my god, concussion protocol another take another take another take it hurts so bad It was jamming me like a turtle down and then I go is this man out of balls? So what he's like no like steel iron and Kettlebell's glued together. It was so heavy And there was no thought about it and I I walked out there going, I wonder if I'll have neck problems for the rest of my life. And have you? When Jan died and they played that at the end of the show, I was such a mess too much. Yeah.

Wait, to bring the show down, Julia. Now because two of you, really the greatest funniest, most wonderful people together. They were so fabulous together. It was the fact that that, that Schiller just decided to cast those two. I mean, it is an amazing thing to look at. It kind of knocked me for a look too. I just feel so sad that we didn't get to know what Phil's career would have been. Like I would have really enjoyed. Would have been busy. Yeah.

He was, you know, that one where he gives Farley a hug at the end. I think it's when Chris left. Was it at the very end of the show, doing it with that gym? Oh, yeah. It was when Phil's last show. Was it his last show or Chris? Yeah, I guess it was Chris's, I think.

Chris's last show. Yeah. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Because everyone was talking about Chris leaving or Chris? Yeah, I guess it's Chris's, I think. Chris's last show. Yeah. Yeah, you're right, you're right. Because everyone was talking about Chris leaving and I was going, I'm also leaving. I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, oh, that's going to close up and I'm like, you get in there. It's like, I'm also leaving.

Yeah. Julie's like, no tears, everyone. Everyone's like, we can do this. Yeah, I always wonder about the career of Phil would have had too if he went on. I mean, certainly Tom Cruise wouldn't be where he is right now. That's for sure. Well, you know, it sounds funny,

but Phil would have been someone that parachute out of an airplane and hang off things, you know, because of all his hobbies. Yeah. He could have had a good Walter White from Breaking Bad. Oh yeah, I think he could have, I think he had a dinner to really do some. You think I could have run away?

No, I'm not kidding, Rally. Yeah, I think so. If you're smart, you'll be smart. Jami, you were saying something before you. No, I was just saying it probably. I never know what strikes me as like some piece of news with everyone in the audience, like, oh, idiot, yeah, we've known that. I mean, I was always told and by people who claimed it, no, that Phil used to do looping

for Jack Nicholson. Oh, yeah, he did. Yeah, when, because Nicholson apparently got so lazy, he didn't even want to go in and rerecord like a simple voiceover, but the Phil would come in and do it. Yeah, that's one of the first things he showed me is this. Oh, okay, so yeah.

Now he really did it. For the movie The Border, I believe, can I tell a short story that is this? So I'm at a par three. We do have the clip coming up, so. Oh, do we have it? I'm at a part three in studio city with John Love It's in Phil Hartman. So we're we wait and then we wave on

that next call for and it's Nicholson and he hits it out of bounds and hits a car. Anyway, so then he's coming up to us and Phil was very just a gentleman who goes, you know, Mr. Nicholson, I just want to say that I actually dubbed your voice for the movie The Border and Jag Nicholson said, no wonder it was my only stinker. Oh! Whoa!

Well, it was fun. You mean as a joke? To be funny. It was a joke and then we couldn't find John because he just got attached to Jack Nicholson. We're at John, we can't see John because he just got attached to Jack Nicholson. We're at John. We can't see John. He wouldn't possess people.

And how do you do it? Is it the method or what are you saying? I'm going to follow you home. No, it's one of my best friends. We talked today. He knows that way, too. Any final thoughts? I remember one time.

I didn't movie with Sandler called anger management. Couple of things to remember. Nicholson. Anyway, I played a lawyer and Nicholson was in the scene. It was a courtroom. And I'm doing, you know, the scene is a lawyer. I just throw on a tennis ball and somebody or something. And then Sandler told me telling me that Nicklison

came up to him like a year later and he goes, how's that lawyer friend of yours doing? It's like, he's a real lawyer. It's called acting, acting. That's how good. Yeah. So you're wrapping up the whole film thing. To sum up.

Yeah. Yeah. We've done a lot of, we're zooms, we're just going to be a two part, two parter. And part episode. We've just shine a light on Phil's greatness and, Jim, anything else you'll look at there? We love him and we miss him. Well, I always think of his first. I was still reading that tiny piece of paper.

Well, it's a remind, it's reminded me of things. I mean, I was, his, the best use of Jesus ever on the show. Receptionist. Receptionist. Like, and this is about. Yeah, and this is regarding. Yeah. And Phil, Phil, and by the way, Phil was, apart from love of

other things, he was very devout Catholic and in a surprise, to a surprising degree. I remember, and I'm not yelling this isn't a criticism, but he was. I never knew that. He was. Oh, he got very upset at one, Shenator Connor. He got upset ripped up the, he was. He was. He was.

He was. Especially when he was written. He was. The pope when we were written. We had the pope. The pope didn't care, I know him, so go ahead. He was fine with it. But I remember Phil kind of shocking us. It was Alan, I had written something for a debate piece. We were just playing David Brinkley and it wasn't an important thing and the scheme

of things, but it was just sort of surprising that, and he had never had objected to anything before. But it was about, I don't know for those older than true, remember David Brinkley, he used to do editorials as part of the news, and his thing was, he was kind of a sour, kind of seen it all, kind of, right? David Brinkley, yeah, he did some weird... But he was supposed to, what was entertaining about him was he was so cynical.

But so it was just him commenting, it's like Peter Jennings played by Tom Hanks, turning to David Brinkley for commentary. And it ended up in this thing about life is just this awful veil of misery and ends with food for worms. And Phil practically refused to do it, not because it wasn't funny,

it wasn't particularly funny, actually, as it happens, but it was. It's just that he just found it really upsetting the way it dealt with the view of life or something, and it was religious, his objection to it was religious. And I never, I mean, you know, it's like when he told me, and maybe you guys know this, when I was in college,

I was a big fan of a group called Poco, which was formed out of Buffalo Springfield, one of an offshoot, and filled design their album covers. In an earlier career, he was a graphic designer. And I actually totally remembered the cover of the album he described. And he goes, it's a thing with a cabinet where you're seeing a collection of kira. And I go, yeah, I know it. There's like a seashell and a thing.

Yeah, that's the one. My wife went to see America a couple of weeks ago. And I didn't go and I was I was shooting on I was doing something you're riding a horse with no name. Sorry So I said I said you know Phil Harman designed the cover for America that famous album with the three of them in the front She didn't know that well she's 30 years younger than me so she didn't know No, she um, but it was cool. No, she does things with you that she doesn't

want to do particularly. And it seems to me once in a while. It is true. No, that is true. And I just had surgery, so I couldn't walk, actually. I forgot that part. I just want to say Phil had such an incredible design sense. walk actually. I forgot that part. I just want to say Phil had such an incredible design sense.

His, the way his house looked, like how things were designed or what, the colors were on the wall. Like, he really... He was great with that. Yeah. Like, he had so many sides to him that... His office was the most tightiest office ever. I know.

I mean, you walk in there and Dennis Miller too. Maybe the thing he've done is. That's not a good thing. That's not a good thing. That's not a good thing. Sorry. I remember going to Phil's Hartman's house the first time here. And he just had one chair in front of the living room.

Only had one chair in it. And in TV, I was like, so you never have anyone over. Like, it was just one chair anyway. It was, but it was over? Like, it was just one chair. Anyway, it was some, but it was beautiful. Like, it was so specifically designed just for his... Are there any clips of Phil we haven't seen? Did they have? No, I mean, not besides that one.

I mean, 27, I don't think we should have won. Those are all the sketches he did. Well, I'm... Unfrozen K-Matt is probably the most famous one. Yeah. So Jack Handy. For my money, the best writer, writer, writer, ever in the show. He had a special connection with Phil.

And he just, he's the one who created on the show. And Kay Menloyer. And he too. He just, he's the one who created on Frozen K. Menloyer and, and he, he's the road. Tunes is, yeah. Tunes is, but he also wrote the, um, the chef, he wrote the Charlton Heston, Soilant Green. Oh, yeah. Remember the, yeah, yeah.

The, he had a great Charlton Heston. Yeah, that was one of the fun. What was the chef he did? The, over 10. That was a behind Terry Turner. That was the second I wrote that was so good. Those are funny as hell. And the Peter Graves thing. Phil wrote that. That was a piece.

No, he actually wrote. Yeah. I wrote the acting teacher. That goes, you're here, you're not here. This is something. Yeah, this is something. This is something. This is nothing.

I, you know, I was told it was based on an actual acting teacher. It's nothing. This is something. This is nothing. I, is a, you know, I only was based on an actual acting teacher. It's when he hosted. Yeah. Oh, I'm one of you hosted. I have to admit. During Chris Catan, we'll fare all.

This is, yeah. So funny. I just wanted to go again. I just saw it the other day. It's not. So this was nothing or something. This side. This one something. That's something. side this one something that's something this is not that's okay I get it I get it I get it yeah it makes sense to me you

have to see but um well we're gonna take a short break and we won't be back I remember this one last funny bit. Whenever I would come into 30 rock and I see Phil getting off the elevator, we would talk like we were two advertising executives every time. We have just like our way of greeting each other. Ted, how you doing? I'm doing well, dude. Hey, it's a truth. He's up in R&D.

Why don't you go on up there and tell her we need some AR down for this cold gate. I'll do that. I'll do that. Otherwise, we'll see you down tomorrow at the squasit meeting. It's just stupid stuff like that. And I'm no real ending to this, but it's... That's a good one. Strong start memory. I remember when down to get mad if you go, and me that Johnson file, like if you made it too corny in a sketch you had to make it more specific. I like to have a way we finish big.

I like that. We're finishing big. We're finishing big. Where is this called a fizzle ending? We have any incapability? This will be the unknown I'll ever see this part. One last question. Jesus. We have any incapability. That's the one I see this far. One last question.

Jesus. You recognize me. It's dying of wine, right? There's a second chance. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Um, what? And I don't want to embarrass myself because maybe he's done this a lot, but how many films did Phil do? House guests, I remember. I don't take it easy. House guests.

He did a lot. House guests. So he'd do a lot of films, right? Mm-hmm. Huh? She'd go all the way? She'd go all the way. He would have worked and worked and worked and worked.

He would have been non-stop. Oh yeah, and when live streaming can't came, I mean, he couldn't, I mean, he could have done like 10 shows at once with his range. And why not stay? Something and nothing. No, nothing. Nothing, nothing.

That's not, okay. No. They should be rolling the credits at this point. Okay, well, then we're going to read a couple ads for Instacart right now. Yeah. Yeah, we'll use some live ads. Man-scape is...

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