Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Tim Meadows

Episode Date: April 6, 2022

Chicago Bulls parking lot dispute, improv at Second City, and SNL imposter syndrome with Tim Meadows. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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app today. Peloton app available through free tier, or paid description starting at 12.99 per month. Tim Meadows, everyone loves Tim Meadows. Tim Meadows is an old buddy. I just immediately interrupt you. Tim Meadows and everyone loves Tim Meadows. Tim Meadows is an old buddy. I just immediately interrupt you. Tim Meadows and old buddy of both of ours, he did. He really is. I interrupted back.

Tim Meadows. It's like tennis. Go ahead. I'm going to be quiet. I'm going to zip my trap. He's a great guy. Good looking. That matters in show business, unfortunately matters and showbiz is unfortunately.

He has done a ton. He's got to be rich because he's always working at all times on many things. I knew him. We had a great time during SNL. We talked about that. He and I bought a motorcycle that was Chris Farley's recently online. I didn't know who I'm bidding against, but I finally bought it. Then I got a text from Tim Sain, dude, you just outbid me. We're online bidding against the world. I just thought Farley's old Harley from Chicago. I remember this shoot. I'd like to have, I'd be cool to just have my living room or whatever.

I just, and then he goes, hey, I don't have anything of Chris's. And I said, oh, I was bidding against you. And he said, can I have it? And I said, I mean, I said, just pay me what I pay. You can have it because he doesn't have anything of Chris's and he's from Chicago. And they were really, really tight.

Also Dana, the Oscars, now we discuss the Oscars a little bit last week, but before Tim is on, we have to we discussed the Oscars a little bit last week but before Tim is on we have to say that we taped Tim a little bit before the Oscars so if he doesn't comment on it that's not his fault it's just that's the way to shook out. Right so don't be at home going shut up Brian I'm just going to comment on it just keep listening. Don't comment. Let me comment call. Call. Dana, what would you have done just be honest? Well, you know, I mean, Ed O'Neill, who will be on our podcast soon, said you just always take the big man off his feet. So I would have just aimed for beneath the knees and just got the person off the feet.

Yeah. You know, I think I think I'd be, if it's Will Smith, he's that big. I go the first one's a freebie. And then he walks back up the stairs and I go and he hits me again. I go the second one. I'm going to I'm willing to look the other way and then toward the end of the Oscar, he's still beating me up. I go on the fifth one. But I think what Chris should have done when he's coming up the stairs,

that's when you make your move because you've got the upper hand. Like I've ever seen fights at stadiums. The guy in the upper seats always wins because he've got the upper hand like you've ever seen fights at stadiums the guy in the upper seats Always wins because you got the weight coming down on the guy, so I think that's where you got to do I would have channeled the deer hunter that if he slapped me I would Mal Mal You I would said please may I have another I just want to say oh, oh

But I'm such a colossal pussy like I just tried to say, ow, ow, but I'm such a colossal pussy. Like, I just tried to picture that scenario, Dana. I was like, I'm picturing, let's say I'm at the Razzies one day and I'm posting. And then Corey Feldman walks up. And do I knock the Fedora off his head? I mean, what do I do? I'm just playing this a million times in my head. Maybe comedians should take a beating, You know, where life beats us down. Maybe just, see Martin's joke doesn't land, whack. Get him out. Yeah, choke him out.

Go put him in a sleeper. Put him in a sleeper. I don't know. Yeah. By the way, David, I will tell you. It's different. I will tell you. I will tell you.

I will tell you. I will tell you. I will tell you. I will tell you. I will tell you. I will tell you. I will tell you. I will tell you. I will tell you and I think when you have a an image that you have to guard when you're getting to the stratosphere of stardom the rock Brady Tom Brady Will Smith like everything isn't overly calculated

But everyone's telling you say the right thing here do the right thing. You know what I mean? They kind of have to play to the world now like I have to keep everyone happy and this big star. And when you deviate from that in such a huge way, it's because people I think in this day and age, especially the last couple years, really appreciate authenticity and sort of celebrities and behind the scenes. And are you like a real person? And when you come out like that and do something

so out of the blue, out of character, you almost question everything and you go, wait, what is going on here? I think that's, I think it's tough for Will Smith. I don't think he's a horrible guy. This thing happened. I'm not a cancler, I'm not that kind of guy. So I would just say it'll fix itself at some point

between him and rock, but that's all. I have no more opinions. Well, it's like Finn do. Is that a Finn? I don't know. In the Fast and the Furious, where they're going across the canyon with the car upside down and the passenger goes, was this the plan? He goes, this was always the plan. And you just wonder when when we was

getting out of the limo, the limo driver's pretty familiar. Hey, have a good night tonight, you know, don't punch anyone on the stage. I mean, somebody snapped. And you can always tell when somebody snapped. That means it's not the plan. Just like, whatever was buried underneath went, yeah. Yeah. And listen, Chris is one of our one of our best friends and you love him. And so we'll stay out of it. But Chris, I guess we're already in it. But I will tell you I went to an Oscar party just to lighten them. Yeah, lighten it up a little bit before we get to Timmy. And the funny thing, Dana, is there's a vanity fair party. And the interesting thing is you have, you get told, if you're going and then you get

told, if you have a plus one and when you get to go, that's always, you're always measured in Hollywood of how you're doing. It's so crazy. I didn't even notice it, because I had gone a few times and I was going with rock, probably, or someone that had an invite, so I didn't need to bring anyone, and then I was informed, oh, I don't have a plus one.

I go, that's such an odd thing to get an invite to go somewhere alone. And then the next year, I was invited at midnight, because you get slots every half hour. So I got midnight and no plus one. I must add a horrible year, because it's too thirsty to try to stay awake and set your alarm and then go midnight.

Hey everyone, you're like a Sam and everyone's pouring out to go to Gioseries party after and you're like, no, I'm here. So this year I got 9.30 and a plus one, which is pretty good, but there's some years I said oh, I maybe I'll try to go to the Vanity Fair and they go we tried and I'm like oh gross You have to ask and they're like yeah, it's just so crazy this year. I go oh, I can't even go. They go. Yeah

It's so bad dude. I know my invite said drop by next week You said you can drive by and be if you go really fast. No, when I went to the Oscars pre-pandemic with Mike Myers, they, we went to the Oscars, presented. We were at the Oscar party and they said, we're going to the Vanity Fair party. I didn't have an invite. So I was gonna go over there and go,

could I get in? Oh, you didn't even go. You could have gone. What do I have to do? Do Garth, I'll do Garth to get in. Could I get in? There like to get in there go uh there's no Dana Carvey and then you mess up your hair and slow the journey go is here a girl no it's like from the from

the movie I'd like to get by now and I'd have a little amateur stun gun for Wayne's world fans I'd like to excuse me I'd like to get by now and then I would just shock the guy yeah we went to and then we went to a party after us with Theo Vaughn, the comedian and I wrote that GoPro with me. And then we went to a guy who's serious, that's where rock was. So we saw him, we saw a bunch of people. He's just sitting on a patio with like Jennifer Lawrence, Woody Harrelson, who's super

cool. And so we just went out there and ball-shoot with him, but he's the ACMD. All right, I don't want to talk too much about that, but I think rock is going to be on fine land on his feet. And I would imagine he would want this just to blow over because you don't want people to think one thing. When you're doing stand-up, you just want to do your act and you don't want him to keep yelling out something, you know, or trying to get you.

Because there's really not that much funding to say about it. And it almost gets too serious. So it's better to just buzz through your jokes. What we've learned in recent times as a society is that stories go ballistic and then they fade away. All of a sudden it'll just be behind us. There's just wait for that time. You know?

I mean, I have to say I watched the Grammys last night and it was everything the Oscars. The Oscars had great hosts and Chris was great, but obviously it had that debacle. But the Grammys was amazing. Like all the music was brilliant. I mean, it really was an impressive... It was an unfunny thing, and this is not taking away from Trevor Noah because he's a cool dude. I saw him actually there the other night.

He's hosting, but what do you do? You're the next guy to host. So the jokes are kind of tepid only because you don't want to cause a national worldwide ruckus. So he's like, hey, Billy Eilish. Is Eilish really your last name? No, it probably. It's actually it's a really good name.

It fits you and you're a great singer and everything's going well. Anyway, let's look at this table. I'm like, are these jokes? I think he's just giving compliments because you can't do a joke anymore. You know what I mean? He's probably so scared that someone's going to get a fenn on Twitter with their fingers up going, you say the wrong thing, dude, and we're going to dig 19 years into your past.

I left my ass off. I was at home. He said, hey, folks, how you doing? I don't know what the way he said it or something. I was like, it's funny. What's up? Good stuff. Good stuff. All right. Let's get on to Tim. Great dude. This is longer than Tim's episode. So I think, yeah, tim... Esto es lo más grande que el tim, así que creo. Sí, estamos en la semana de Tim Meadows hoy. ¡Eso es el bombado de la zona de la vida! No, MailChimp analiza los datos de millones de correos electrónicos para ofrecer recomendaciones personalizadas para mejorar el contenido de tus correos electrónicos, segmentar tu público,

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but in the writing of it, it's what I call a hot oven politically, Biden. You don't want to ding him too much because I had this line of like, do you think there's a crisis at the border? There's no crisis at the border. How do you know? Because it says so on the piece of paper. Who gave that to you? The man. Who's the man, the guy comes in,

you know the drill, come on. Number one, the guy comes in, number two, the tooth part. Number three, come on people. I love how he gets mad at you because you don't understand what he's saying. But yeah, I did do that. And that was kind of flat because if you're doing an impression and you don't get to do your rhythm,

then you're just stuck in jokes and then it deflates the balloon. It has to be a marriage of the rhythm and the top of the bump. But, you know, with ladies, man, I'd like to jump ahead, no, sorry. I want to know about it. What we need to see this first, I think the thing that I love about it, though,

is that it now gives everyone a hook into doing, to doing Biden. Like a normal guy on the street now can do that rhythm and do Biden to his friends. And I think that's huge, you know. That's a trick and you're right, Timmy. Once you get a hook and I would do Lauren based on Dana's Lauren or whoever, I don't, I didn't.

I knew everyone in spread like locus. I don't think anybody doesn't do as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's been as long as it's when I got there in 86, no one was doing it. It seems remarkable. Smigel has a good ear. The hook that I finally told Lauren was him on Wednesday at the board kind of doing the sketches back and forth, picking the show, and he would say, I still have no fucking first act.

And that was hard. And then he would hold a card that Whitney Brown had. It was anyone the the the pig in the goat. Anyone. We didn't we didn't think it was very good. Lauren. I thought it was breathtaking. I was that's where that guy from that. I should have no fucking first act. And that's where it came from. And then I think smile was bouncing off me. I got him from that. I should have no fucking first act. And that's where it came from. And then I think smile was bouncing off me and then everybody did it. But you know, whatever, I don't have to be the originator.

I don't have to be God. I wonder if like the original cast had like a different version of Lauren and what you had, because you definitely had like the superior, you know, men or guy who was in charge of it all. And like I want to be was like that when he first started with those superior, you know, mid-elegant guy who was in charge of it all. And like, I wonder if he was like that when he first started with those guys, you know? Like if their impression is like a quicker,

like, wittier version of that. I do know that the first year Lauren was like this. Guys, we got a big show tonight. Let's try to get it going. And then by year five, lifetime limousine, you know, Paul and I, which sometimes we go and we just buy socks. Really? I mean, he had a car, he had Eugene, he had a driver.

I mean, he was an adult. Wanna come by 88 for dinner? Remember 88. Never underestimate the value of La Zonja. Whatever. I asked him where I should live and he goes, I go, my rent's kind of high, like $900. David, I think it's where you live is important.

He always does your name page, but I would pay. And I'm like, well, you're not paying me enough to, okay, I'll get it. I go, I have to pay it every month and he's like, oh, I didn't know. I don't know how that works. My rent was like 20, 22,000 a year. And I think I was probably netting about 35 for season.

And happy to be there. The exposure alone. But anyway. be there the exposure alone. But he anyway, and when I was going to say he had told me at one time it's better. He was like it's better to live in a place you can't afford because it makes you work harder to keep it. Oh, I didn't hear that one. Oh, that's funny. That's a good one. That's pretty. Well, do anything to keep these countertops. I will not let go of this Marvel I will do another show called Tina Marcy the book of Lauren page three. What do I say here? I don't know Lauren. I'm gonna fly now. You don't fly, Marcy Stop it. So you guys give me go on Tim is a great

You know audience Great when you go in the Lawrence office and I go on the board and I go, and I look for my update and I look over to where the cemetery on the left, where it's not in the show, it's everything they got cut. You wonder if it even got moved

if it was even a debate. It's just exactly in perfect line where it was and I go, I'm not in the show this week and then I look over and he goes Life saver Our popcorn search. I would look at either the same experience I would see church chat in the first act then a Wayne's world then Hans and Fraun's after It's it's an emotionally violent place for the best of us But I just want to because we're podcasting just very quickly explain it to people who don't understand

We go to every through in a little room was like 50 people we read sketches for hours Each sketch gets a three by five card with the name it would be church lady or girls whatever What would they say Leon felps or Leon felps? I don't know the ladies and and then they're say Leon Phelps, or Leon Phelps? I don't know, ladies and gentlemen. And then they're on a bull giant bullden board and then there's these, it's sectioned off first act, second act, third act.

And so then he starts putting them up and you'd see your sketch go up and then someone would say something, he'd be pulling away from the wall and they'd place it where the no sketch not getting on the show area. And sometimes people go, I like David's, and he'll go back over.

Anyway, I just want to set that scene for somebody. You want to fight for it? You want to drive in. Put your job on the line for receptionist. But the one thing I liked about Lauren in retrospect, he was like a coach I had in high school because I think he loves sports metaphors And so to get a true

compliment from Lauren was really special. He was not one to pass them out. Dana is this ever gonna work You know that be you know, yeah, it'd be really nice It would be like you know really really funny. That's would be a good thing I was like Rudy so you were like Rudy the entire time. Yeah just you were not you became the the bad boys of Sarah that was funny when you and Schneider and you were like the bad boys and the true bad boy of that cast was Tim. Tim.

I've hung out with Tim a little bit and heard his some of his stories. And there's a street side to Tim. It's not any ego, it's not break a dough show. It's just, he has a side of him. I don't have it's Detroit or something, but Tim can go, yeah, you will want them on your side in a fight.

Cause I guess Tim, were you in on going down to beat up the guy of the New Yorker or whatever? Only if someone fucked with him, Tim's not trying to pick a fight, but, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, yeah, I grew up in Detroit, so I kinda just don't, I have very low tolerance for like when I'm getting bullshed from people. I don't know what happened when I told you about it.

But yeah, I mean, something we're at a baseball game with your son. Maybe it was a professional game. Oh, no, basketball game. Basketball game. It was game. Yeah, yeah, we were we're pulling out of this draw. This parking lot and it was kind of crowded. That's other story

I don't know. I want it. This I want to hear you have to be fascinating. We have thrown half more hours. Just tell it. Yeah This is the last time. No, I really this is great stuff Tim. I wasn't know it It I was pulling out of it after a bull's game in this parking lot It and with my son and his friend that we just saw the game And it was crowded and we were all trying to move through the The parking lot and then this guy just like would not let me through and like I was like, oh, okay You know, whatever, you know, and then he pulled up next to me and he told my son to roll his window down And my son said he wants me to roll his window down. And my son said, he wants me to roll my window down.

And I was like, no, don't, don't worry, you're windowed. And then I was like, no, roll it down. And then I was like, no, roll it down. And the guy goes, hey, you think you're special, you just get to move in and out of here, like you want to, we're all trying to get out. Oh, not to, not the right thing to say. And I go, well, first of all, don't you tell my son

to roll the fucking window down. And yeah, I am special. You're gonna ask anybody in this fucking parking lot. Everybody knows me, motherfucker. And he was like, yeah, you're special, huh? I was like, yeah, you wanna get out of the car? We can get out of this car right now. We can go edit, motherfucker.

And my friend, my son, my friend. we're sitting there just looking at me like what the fuck is going on? You know, I was, I, I cannot believe this guy was talking to me like that in front of my kids. First of all. And the second like he was selling like he had the right to get out in front of me. Like we're all trying to get out of here. You know, I like that. I know. He, do you don't even fight the special part which he was hoping you would? You go, I don't think I'm special because yeah, he do you go, I do think I'm special.

He goes, oh. It took him away from him. He's like, the first day I met, the first day I met love it. I had almost the exact same verbatim exchange. I was Tim and just come on, motherfucker. Let's go right now. The reason I like that story is because I avoid conflict. Like we were talking to Chris Rock and he talked about how tiny he was as a in high school. So I want like when I was 14,

went to high school. I went I was out for D basketball, which is like, you know, there was D C, junior varsity varsity. So D, it's not a joke, but our center was 5'3". He controlled the paint, but my point is this, I'm not kidding. It was mid to basketball. So I was 5'1". I was 5'1". I was, can't say that, little people. I was 5'1", 92 pounds at age 14. And you were probably probably small. I had my girlfriend, if you call it a

girlfriend, probably in like, 11th grade. I think I got, I went from like, five, seven to five, 10, or whatever, like in my height. And then, but when I was a kid, I love sports, and I could play sports well in my neighborhood, like with my friends and shit.

Like I could play quarterback, I could like, I was good, you know? And then we played Little League Football, and everybody else, it was like grown men showed up in the Little League Football. Like these guys were like, six, one, fucking two, 20. It was like grown men show that little eat football. Like these guys were like six, one, fucking two, 20 bearded 14 year olds. And the coach at one point, I was a scrub

and I accepted the fact, I played like defensive back. And I was like, I was a scrub and I accepted the fact that I was a scrub. But one time the coach, they did, they ran out of tackling dummies and so they wanted real great around so you became the tackling Tommy me in the middle the other tackling dummies and they ran blocking

drills around me fuck that's how much of a scrub I was man now when you say scrub in this context what I think I know what you mean but just what is a scrub in that context? It means it means like not second string, not third string. Oh, oh, oh, even a squad. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, you look, you get to hang out like my best friend was a good running bag. So it was like, okay, well, he's friends with this dude. So we won't cut him because he plays hard. Also let us use him as a practice dummy. So, I love, I love flag football, man. I loved, I was a running back, flag football.

And I was really good, believe it or not, last time. And as soon as tackle football came in, it was forget this. So over, you know. I was pretty fast too Pretty much a fire man, but I'm trying also, but I'm also a colossal pussy. So you just never know I thought I I saw you're a Phoenix guy I thought I was born in Bloomfield Hills Oh, and then that's in Detroit, I guess for four years outside of Detroit then I said, let's move it out when I was four.

And my dad said he had a job and- The wagon train going. Arizona, it was, we were four, six and eight. And my dad was sort of, you know, here and there, like jumping around. And he goes, we, I got a job in Scottsdale. So we all moved to Phoenix. And then he goes, I don't have a job.

And then he left. And then he left my mom and we're like, I go later I said, can't you just divorce her in Michigan where she has friends? He's like too easy, too predictable. Jesus, he's kind of fast on his feet. I see where you got your wit. I mean, no remorse.

Well, we were well in my day. Well, first of all, I had three older brothers beat He's kind of fast on his feet. I see where you got your wit. I mean, and no remorse. Well, we were well in my day. Well, first of all, I had three older brothers beating the shit out of me plus my dad. So I was pounded night today, which made me have a lot of anger, but it would come out verbally. And in great school, I got the big kid, Steve Lee, to be my best friend. And he was my enforcer. And I actually had a club called the Great Club

in fifth grade. Jesus. Had a moniker. What a world. It was Dave Marquez, Steve Lee and me, and everyone wanted to be in the Great Club, we say, how do we get in the Great Club? I go, you gotta be great.

That was fifth grade. So Tim. Stupid. It's club. I've been asking, I want to, before we get into SNL and, and roundlings or second city, I've been curious about, because I want to paint we get into SNL and Roundlings or second city I've been curious about because I want to paint a picture of you in your formative years I call them like from age clear for to 12 and Influences the things I'm interested in are movies or theater or music

What was influencing your your eventual career choice and also just for fun uh... your if you got a bike that was really special to you or toy that you remember or you know so anyway you don't have to have to do it you can get you could punt on this one or just uh... like what did what was your first movie that you remembered seeing that affected you or tv show i think you, like when I was younger, Jerry Lewis, and was hysterical to me,

and my first movie was on TV. Yeah, because of any? Even some of the black and white, some of the black and white stuff that he did, we used to just laugh at, you know? Yeah. But I think like the one movie that like was like influential where it was like, whoa, I like this movie and what these people are doing was blazing saddles. Oh, yeah.

I saw it. Yeah. And then I went to visit my brother in college. I was like probably 16, and he was an Easter Michigan, and he was an usher in this movie theater to make money. And so just to give me something to do, he was like, just come hang out and watch this movie. You got to see it, it's really fun.

And uh... How is it a theater though? It was in the theater, yeah. And I sat there and watched it all day. I watched it every show. Really? Yeah. I went with them in the morning

and stayed until it was over with. I fucking loved it. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I still think that about it. It's like, wow. And Cleveland Little was the star. And then I did a sitcom with Mickey Rooney in New York in 19 and he would my first job.

And Cleveland Little came on as a guest star. And I was star struck, but Scatman Carruthers and you know, Mickey Rooney probably never saw Blazing Saddles. But I kept wanting to talk to Cleveland about that film. And you kissed his ass. I kissed his ass. I was trying to get stuff out of him so if I could get a jaw.

I tell me if you guys laughed at when I went and saw accidentally my brother took me to life of Brian and I thought it was so funny and I came out of nowhere. I was like, I didn't really get it, it was English, but it was still silly and funny and I started to get into it going, this one's pretty funny too. And I had no expectations.

So, you know, the other ones I like, animal house and all that shit, but when I saw that, I was like, oh, I'm such an exquisite palette. I understand all the European comedies too. And what about people on TV? Like, you know, for me, it was seen, you know, geez, laughing or laughing or flip Wilson or Carol Burnett or the Smothers Brothers yeah yeah and you guys in bleeding into the 70s you know

there was Steve Martin going on TV and you know just just this whole counterculture started to happen with Carlin becoming a hippie and prior and there was all that movement in 75 with the beginning of SNL. Full service. See, I did that. I thought this was talking about stuff. I bring it right back. But what are you, what were you?

Like into a commercial or something, you know, I don't even know if we have commercials. We're going to have so many apps. We have to have special things. We're Dave and I going to a chamber and just read for hours. No, it's all we do is. Dollar shave and manscape. Those are our only two sponsors.

When ever. Dollar shave and manscape. Timmy gets into a good story. We go into a split screen and we do a commercial while he's on mute. And then we go come back and Timmy goes and that's what telling that. Oh, don't give away what we're gonna do. But who were you were you like an animal house that kind of thing or your money Python or you started life or all of the above. All of the above. I totally I read like National Anthem magazines.

All right, right, right. I forgot about that. You know, yeah. And it was, when you were buying them back then, especially where I grew up, but I always felt like they had them by mistake in my store world. Because it was like they had nothing else like that.

But they would sell them new to Playboy magazine because they thought they were like, because they had nudity. And so we basically, you the cartoon nudity, right? And also like photos because they had these things called photo funny. Wow. And they would show, they would show Titty in it. Yeah, I caught a whack off funny.

Titty, you mean bosoms or breasts, but Titty, Titty has a playfulness to it. I don't know if it's offensive, but it's kind of like, Tiddy, here's me looking through the last one. Magic Tiddy. Photo funny. So what? I don't even look at the joke. Boobs.

Ooh. I'll worry about the comedic purposes later. I want to go back to his childhood. What was your favorite meal? Macaroni and cheese spaghetti pizza as a kid. Lane who's the Donald's. What was a special treat or a special dessert in your house? It's a special treat. I would have to say, well, I mean, of those choices, I would say macaroni and cheese. Always works. My earliest memory is like waking up after waking up from a nap and

smelling chicken being fried in the kitchen. Sounds like the beginning of a Sikhan song. Or some kind of Tennessee Williams. I love good times by the way. Did you live with a J.J. Walker? I thought good times are hilarious. You know what? I thought J.J. Walker was a hacker. We could cut anything you want. You guys could really hack. No, I thought he was funny. I like to

better on the show than when I saw him doing standup when I was younger. Yeah. I thought he was funny. You're on the show. I had a bone to pick with him. Wow. I finished your thought. I have a I had a problem with Jay. Wow. Not really, but I'm playing the Westwood comedy store. I'm coming down from San Francisco because George Schlotter saw me up there. I had a good set. I was so green, I was in college, I didn't know anything. I bought a quarterly suit with a quarterly vest.

And then I got invited to do a spot at the Westwood comedy store. I had a girlfriend at the time with me there. I went up and bombed like, you know, epic. I didn't know how to get out of bed. I did my Star Trek bit, everything. I'm drenched in sweat, dead silence. I go over, I'm in a booth. I sit next to the girlfriend of the time

and she's scooched away. Whoa. And then they said, get JJ Walker. He, I think he's gonna walk the audience. So JJ went up on stage, turned to me and said, watch how it's done, young man, which I don't really blame. I'm not really mad at him at all. But that was a, we said, JJ Walker, I got a little triggered. So I was going to take five minutes. Sort of I'm going to take a cool bath. This happens a lot in the podcast. And I'll be right back.

Everyone triggers day and everything. Everything triggers me me so that's probably that's probably only time someone said get me Jim JJ Walker That's the last time he's he's gonna walk the room he walked the room You know on cameo if he says dynamite it's five dollars more Right is it worth it? Well, it's worth5 more. Right. Is it worth it? Well, it's worth it. I feel. I don't know. I have a character, because I wanted to be like Larry the

cable guy. I think he has that great Gitter-Dun. I have a character. I'll just do one line. It's new, but it's intentionally bad. Red, red, necky, the red, neck comedian. OK. I'm red, red, necky, the red, neck comedian.

I'm in my sister, only because Mama the red neck comedian. I married my sister, only because Mama told me down, come and get some. It's the come and get some. Mama said, red, what do you want to do? I found it. You found it. Mama said, red, what do you want to do? What do you want to do with your life? I said I just want to live in a shack and drink beer all day. Mama said don't dream so big because you always end up disappointed. Come and get some. There it is. Come and get some.

I got catchphrases. I just don't have the platform. Where's the way through? Did you workshop the catchphrase? That's pretty good. Come and get some. Well, I have this other podcast called Fantastic. Did you workshop the catchphrase? That's pretty good. Come and get some. Well, I have this other podcast called Fantastic.

My son named it, but I kind of hatched it on that. We almost call it Come and Get Some. It's surprisingly, it's positive. It's like life. Come and get some. You know, even though what he's saying has no relationship to it. So, you know, out the creative process, whatever.

Here's another one, Tim, ready? This is, it's a little undercooked, but it's for, it would be for read through. I say like a joke like, I used to say bless you when people sneeze. Now I say, oh, fuck, we're all gonna die. Rackum. Rackum is a good one.

Because you know when you play pool and you hit the a-bon you go rock them. Yeah So we got rock and we get song Tim Timothy Timothy Meadows Yeah, now there's this section where you you've been influenced your dreaming You're like 18 19 when do you first kind of say to yourself? I'm gonna try this or was it a slow process? Yeah, when is across your mind to do comedy for real? For real. Yeah, I was in college at Lacey University. Mm-hmm.

And I checked out because of... I did a Wikipedia dive. Yes, I said, Wayne. Look me up. Yeah, we come prepared on this podcast. I know for sure Tim, is this? Yeah. So you're getting, you're in a radio and television program,

like I was in, you're not in theater at that point, right? Or both. You're doing both. Yeah. No, I was in you're not in theater at that point right or both you're doing both yeah now I was doing both and I was into radio and I tell you a little side story was I really was how it's turned was doing his radio show in New York when I was in college yeah and it was one of those things where it was like, can you do something funny like this guy is doing, you know? Yeah. And so it was like the one way I thought, okay, I could like sneak being funny into being a radio DJ. Yeah. And so, yeah, I tried to do that a little bit in college. But then I, and so that, I did too, by the way. Yeah.

Yeah, but that was what I kind of wanted. I was like, oh, I can maybe try to be funny, you know, because I was funny around my culture friends and stuff. I was like the funny dude. Everybody else was like cool or athletic or smart or whatever. Chicks like funny. And most people that are funny with their friends,

get that wake up call when they try it and then they realize they're not. You know, like most people that go and stand up amateur night and they're like, I'm the funny guy at the office. You know when Pat goes into the coffee room and everyone goes, and so then they go, I'll just keep it at the office

because you don't know my references, but that's where you're breaking through, you're doing it, and then you've got a little nugget of something that keeps you around, and they keep you around too. So what did you do? I mean, with this thought, where did it evolve to where you got on stage to get laughs?

Well, these improv classes, because I read a story about this teacher in Detroit who had studied under Dale Close. The Dale Close. And I knew Dale Close's name from being a fan of National Ampune radio and all that and that's an amp. Oh, that's shit.

So I was like, oh, so I was like, oh, this is like, I had a reference to something that, you know, not a lot of people had a reference to. Yeah. So I took classes with this guy Jonathan Brown. And then we, I did took his class. He was the first person to kind of go, you, you're doing something good or whatever.

And then he put me into his improv group, basically. And this is in Chicago. And Detroit. Detroit still. Okay. Yeah. Del Close. No, this was Jonathan Brown.

Okay. He took, he studied under Del Close. Okay. Del Close is a famous second-city teacher. Yeah, yeah, considered brilliant at his job. And where is he stationed in Chicago? He was. Jonathan Rowne was real guy. Yeah, yeah. Cause what happened was, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I mean, you can Google it and read, I don't know. This is your show.

How do I, I mean, I just want to just tell us how you're feeling. Like besides the logistics, what are you feeling? Are you, I mean, like you're excited. And I think someone, someone said you're good Someone said you're money. It's huge. Yes. Yes, and I was and and so I told I was telling my friends my real friends about it Like I took these classes and I get on stage and we make stuff up and I'm really funny You know and like they like it and stuff and then my friends even started to come and see the shows and stuff and they validated, they were like, you're good,

you know. So it's going up now. Yeah, it's like, whoa. Yeah, and so like there was points on stage working with the people that I was working with, because we were doing long-form improv and we were doing short things and games and singing and making them stuff, you know, and stage.

And it was nothing like that in Detroit. So people will come and see it because there was no other game in town. It was only us. It's a lot. So we have recurring audiences of people that will come and see our show. And that was where the spark came for me. It's like, you guys know, like being up on stage and feeling like you cannot do anything wrong.

You make the right, by the way. Words, you make the right improv. Like, you get questions, and things. And so, by the way, everyone understands kind of, I'm sorry to interrupt him, but that comedy is hard to do stand up, but improv is so fucking hard. And people, I think they get it, but that whose line is anyway,

doesn't convey how hard it is to think that fast and speed. I did it for fun with some comedians and I was like, what the fuck is going on? I'm pretty fast, but I go, it's a whole different muscle you have to learn. And if you're good at that, you have to be proud because it's hard as shit. You do get, it is like being an athlete right that you get acclimated your brain gets kind of fluid. You know Robin Williams is to come up. I'd be doing stand up in San Francisco in the late 70s he was like triple time, you know, I was like, but it does make you start to pick up a wake up

But so go ahead. How your experience? Yeah, you became known as with Chocolate Thunder in Chicago. Was that your nickname? No, that's a basketball player. Who is that was that the Dawkins or Dear Dawkins. Yeah, I was called the Alavaster Assassin. I was called Casper the Fruitcake. I thought only Lauren called you that. Could you get Casper the Fruitcake in here because they used to say, you're Lauren's boy. I'm like, he doesn't put me on. I wish he'd hate me. And then I'd be on every week I wish once you're in his office every week with a single tear coming down Lauren doesn't like complainers No, I made that up so Starting I yelled it I yelled a downy once what a mistake

Downing the famous head writer you yelled at him One of the smartest people I've ever met. Jimmy, in that interview, was there a thing you were known for or a hook? Did you start to develop like playing free tag and really good at this? Or was it just the entire structure of all the different things? In the beginning, I think I was really good at introducing comedic ideas. And then, and I was also really good at supporting other ideas and adding to it, you know, without taking away from the person doing it.

And so, I think people really got, that people trusted me on stage. Cause I wouldn't, I didn't abandon scenes even if they were failing. Right, you know, or undercut or all the different childish Shakespearean. Well, if you're a good, and that's good team player shit when you can see improv and when they come to SNL, I think they're pretty good at that

because they're just been doing it. And stand up, stay always said, had a little harder time sharing the spotlight, but you sort of figured out, like I don't talk at this part. Well, people, you're gonna come up with a name. I think this blob over here says something and then back to me.

Have you ever had people say to you, oh boy, you guys must go crazy on that Saturday Live, just like saying whatever comes up. They think it's all improv. I got it all in. No improvisation on Saturday Live. You do all the improvisation backstage in writers rooms and riffing, and then up there you're locked in, unless you're in one, which when we get to your ladies'

man character, you had a lot of time with a locked shot. So you could be a little playful, you could take something in the moment, but not when they're cutting around, you know? So when someone else involved, you don't wanna throw them. So let's just for, we're gonna take a 20 minute break and start, nobody, I just, so. And then I'm gonna press record.

So you're, yeah, we should start soon. Oh Whoops, no, that's good. It's going we got a recording there So this how many years between this and then you're getting on SNL You know how many years were you in the trenches and was that so now you're big when you go to Chicago? Are you Chicago yet? I? Just get to Chicago just get you Chicago yet? I just get to Chicago. Just get to Chicago. And get into the improv scene there because Del Close is actually there teaching. So I start taking his classes. And I start to get put on a team. Our team becomes the best team at the club.

We're like the second best hero team in the city, you know, which means nothing to you guys, but it was like a thing in the community. That's a big deal. Oh, I can. It was a group hug. We were called Grime and Punishment. And, uh, and then, um, I was thinking, crime and punishment, crime and punishment, crime and punishment, how it gets off. I was in crime and punishment crime and punishment I'm in punishment. Oh, I was in the coconut kids for a while. We didn't go very far

Go ahead. Hey, was that was favor. I didn't know favor. It didn't prop to be on Yeah, favor was there knowing that time too. Oh, okay, but yeah, so so I was doing that and I was taking classes in the second city There's teacher to the head named Jeff Macchowsky said I want you to audition for the touring company audition for the touring company got hired with a whole bunch of people that are now famous people Like Amy Sanderis Jane Lynch, like who else got hired? Like Steven Cole Bear got hired that year.

Steve Cole Bear, how did he end up doing? Let me text him, I was here. On speed up. So was, did Farley come around? Did, when did Farley appear? Farley's first year. My first year, my first, Farley's came after my first year touring. Farley's came after my first year touring. He was like the next year, he was auditioning.

And I met Farley doing improv over at Improv Olympic when I was in on the road touring. And so I got to improvise with him and his team. And then he was touring me and you literally tour? Yeah, you tour with the best of second city show. In a bus or a car? You go all over, you play theaters all over the country. You like, like,

Oh, really? Oh, okay. They were in a van, they drive you, you do a tour of like colleges and small theaters. I didn't know that. And you learn the old classic sketches and you learn a bunch of different ones. And then as you go along, you change your running order depending on where you are or whatever. And so you get this library of second city sketches that you learn.

And so I and I didn't do theater. So I had no, it was my only training of like, I gotta learn this and I'll say it on stage and then repeated the next night as if it's a fresh idea, you know. Yeah. So second city was really my theater training that I got.

I'd never did any play, I never did anything else. Me neither was just stand up. How much money were were you made how old are you at this point how much money can you make doing this were you just barely able to know no I like when I was trying I was touring I was you know it was pretty decent I think I was probably making I'd say for the whole year like And I think I was probably making, I'd say for the whole year, like 17,000 or something like that. So after tax would be maybe nine thousand. Okay. So you're making a modest but efficient living.

Yeah. But I was also doing commercials in Chicago. So it was another like lucrative thing. And I actually did, I was modeling and did some modeling work when I was in Chicago. I am not surprised. What? You had the looks, you got the looks, the ladies man is the ladies man. You're living your best life at this moment. You're young, you're touring, you're making money, you're modeling. I mean, you know, I mean, it's very exciting. There's only that one time of your life. Life is very simple

then. It's the world of Tim and you're just man about town. Everything was dependent on my looks that's that was the only problem. Lauren said it is extremely good looking it might get in the way. We have a new good looking cast member, so write him into those sketches. We put him in a loose suit. He's very, very built. We put him in a loose suit. He's built. We don't want to ever show his legs. He's always taking his shirt off.

When you get on a call to get on SNL, do they audition everyone at a second city? And then they pluck? Well, they came out and saw Mike Myers, like a couple of years before they saw me. And a new Mike back in back then when he was dating, or he was never with Robin. Robin. Yeah. And dating, he was living with Robin. Robin. Yeah. And then, oh, that's far back.

Yeah. And then, okay. They kept coming. And so after that, they started coming out to see Farley. And how are you? I was in the cast with Farley. We did three reviews together meet with that cast My own Kirk was there all

All the all the all the names we keep hearing Odin Kirk fuck so they they got you Odin Kirk and Farley out of there Yeah, yeah, wow for the show. So what year did you come on was it? 90 or with far 80 90 February one February of 91 and you and you ended up staying 10 years Courtney with the years which was a record at the time. Fuck an A. I would did you make good money at the end or not really in your head? Um, I think I made decent money at the time. I, you know, I, yeah, I thought I think I made decent money. I don't think I was like, but again, just like when I started,

I had other things going on when I was leaving SNL. So yeah, you know, I had money coming in from the short nonstop. I was also selling crack at the end of my career. Just to keep a lot of good customers at 30 Rock. You gave up a lot of good customers to do SNL. That's horrible. Well, so you gotta get back in. Tim, you walked into, which I call,

I think kind of one of the most intense times of SNL because you had the leftovers with Phil Hartman and myself and Mike Myers and so forth. And then you had Sandler and yourself and Rock and Spade and Schneider. So it was intense. So when I came in, it was like four regular cast members or something. So you came into like, it was like four regular cast members or something.

So you came into like a big, so it took you time. I'm assuming to get the necessary time in front of the audience for them to discover you and you to get that level of confidence, right? Here was the hurdle when I first started on the show. First of all, to both of you guys, you were, I mean, I was fans. You know, I was a fan, and I was a fan of both of you.

I've seen both of you guys on the show. I'd seen David do stand up. I had, I was huge fan, and a huge fan in the show. So coming into that cast, man, I swear to God, the first two or three shows, I was just like, it was like a dream. Yeah. I was like, how, what is happening?

And I swear to God, I thought they were gonna come into the meeting one night, one day and say, that dude over there is not supposed to be there. Yeah, he was a poster syndrome. He sold records in Chicago about three years ago. He's not supposed to be in here pitching ideas. You're almost happy just watching. You're like, I can't remember an 8-H, just this close to watching the show.

I guess I'm supposed to be on it. I have no idea how, but it's fun just to be here. I, I, I, I one time went nine shows though being on anything, but maybe one update. And what I thought it was unfair, and then my dad goes, who told you it was fair? I got the first time you had a casino. That's where I got, that's the first time he saw

I'm since the left you in Phoenix. He's like 20 years ago. He's like giving me a butt, lost kill. He was fair and then he got in his car and he drove away. Yeah, life's that fair. Wasn't I supposed to stick around? I go, yeah, and he goes, that didn't work out too well. Yeah, I guess what?

That's a big name, cupcake, fruit cake, whatever it is. Casper fruit cake. Get a new Monica kid. Broom! Oh, yeah. Hey, Lauren, good luck with that little puss. I bailed. for fruit came a new mother could get a new mother could you know and good luck with that little pus i failed

so so you get on and then you're you're around all these people in the show is really cooking and all we had just all kinds of stuff happening wands were what was happening you know to insist the cat and so how did you find your find your place what was your first little in-road of a character or a sketch that you did where you landed it, felt great, or do you remember the moment where you felt like, I couldn't do this,

I'm gonna be great on this. My third show was Alec Baldwin and... Great comedian. I forgot who the musical guest was that year, but I wrote a sketch called Cyrano with me and Alec and Jan and It was like it the my surprise it was the first time I Had something it was only my third show and shoemaker or whoever moved it up in

the run through for re-through. It was like the second or third piece and I was like, holy shit. Re-through is, the placement there is very important too. I didn't even know that for a long time. That's nice. The first 10 sketches get the most attention. Well everyone willts after two hours, you're wilting. So the first hour is very prime, that place.

And also you're like, you're basically following like, usually it'll be a smile sketch or, or like the first couple are like strong. Here's a monologue, here's this. And so you get a feel for like, oh, the show's gonna go like this. And so they put you up that high. And so my, Lauren started to read the stage directions,

and which was, you know, Tim is dressed as Cyrano, and he has a six inch wide nose. And then he fucking belly laughed at the stage direction. And then he looked down and downed. At the end of the table and down he was laughing too and they looked at each other and sort of like nodded. Oh nice. And he kept reading and then we did the whole sketch and the joke in the sketch was that

I was here and no. I spoke for Alan Baldwin. I gave him love advice. Wow, Jan was his, the woman he was trying to court, but I talked like very white and I hid behind a bush. How did he talk? What did he sound like? What would he say? I mean, he just talked basically like this. Hey, baby. Yeah, you got to bend over and let me see that love. You got, you know, whatever. I remember flying. I remember flying and so and then and then

olden curk gave me a good out which was because we were doing it like it was like we were doing it it it flowed it was funny and then olden curk said you should be sitting in a chair at the end while they're making love sort of bored and just reading a paper and talking to her very sexually you like and so it's been like kissing and you pan out and you just see me going Yeah, baby. Yeah, I love God the out is so important on this thing. It's a little oh Yeah, I'm still a Bob. Oh, hey, oh, don't get me that at the night, you know Tuesday that Tuesday night when we were I was writing because I wrote it by myself Oh, sorry, remember this is another fun experience like interesting experience was that when I when they is happened a couple of times

When I got something in past read through where it was like being considered for the show and they would bring you in and ask you questions Remember those moments? Oh, yeah. Oh, they go, they come back to him. Can you come in? And you go, oh, everyone goes, fuck. Lauren would like to see you in his office. It's always someone with a slight Peter Laurie.

Lauren would like to see you and talk to you in his office. No, they're meeting Wally and Joseph's. Oh, two. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. They're meeting Wally and Joseph's. Oh, cute. I'm not always there. I go in there and he says, he goes, he asked me who helped me write it. And it just had, it had my name and Odin Kirk.

And I said, you know, he goes, who else? Was there anybody else? And I go, no, I wrote it. I wrote it by myself and Bob gave me the out, you know. And he goes, okay, okay, good, thank you. And then he let me out. And then another time I got a sketch on, it was, I wrote it by myself and he brought me in.

And he goes, like, who helped you write the sketch? And like, Tim, who sent you this? I wrote it by myself. And he goes, do you, you know, he was like, do you mind if Tom Davis watches it and works with you on it? That's what he was getting at like someone watching. He likes to pair. I love the writer with the comedian, you know. Well, because the audience should know that you're on stage doing it. And if you wrote it, someone has to be in the booth kind of directing and saying, right, which is hard because it's

really your eyes and ears, what you would want. So they're just trying to, they need someone more experienced. Yeah. I think that's really what it was to was like, I think he just wanted to know like, you know, if anybody talked to anybody about the sketch that I might want to have them come in, help me with it, you know, not that he was going to sign somebody. Yeah. And I remember one time, Tom Davis was like, you know, he was like, who wants to help him? Or like, uh, who wants to help Jimmy with the sketch and Tom is like, I'll do it. I'll do it. That burnout. Um, what about one time Lauren brought me in and he goes, David, who helped you read the Q cards? And I go, I read them. That's all. I read him. That's all.

Day. The thing he goes, I guess he can read, Frank. Could you do something with Casper cupcake because I don't know if it's going to have Casper the on likeable cupcake cupcake. I know you're the alabaster assassin and it's a wonderful thing, but could you? Yeah, varsity. By the way, I have to give Timmy.

It's hard to write a sketch and maybe because you were in second city, you're better at it, but it took me, my I wrote a sketch for love, it's called the Pufferfish where he got, he was a scientist, but he got mad, he turned into a Pufferfish, he pop out, you know. And for John. And it was, and he goes, yeah, write it, you know, because I was like, it was like my first four,

it shows before we into summer. I got I got picked up for four and then it was over just to see if I had any game Which we found out I did not and so I go John he goes that's a great idea and I go it is It wasn't that good. He goes right. He gave me no help because I probably had seven sets. It was probably 28 pages and help because I probably had seven sets. It was probably 28 pages and Reads are there I think Schumer can want is this your business shit? I go ahead and he goes can we chop it down to about 20? I mean, I don't know I'm like and he goes I think there's too many sets I'm like well if anyone would tell me anything All I'm used to is writing stand-up So I don't know what I'm doing wrong. And they go, well, there's too much to fix here,

but much done luck with it. It's a hopeless cause, but we appreciate that you put pen to paper. Allp and Dennis goes, spot if it's spotly, if you and Schneider don't get anything on in these four shows, I think it's curtains. Okay, sex. I mean, they'll send you back on a greyhound out of here, okay?

You're not even gonna be flying south. Can you write me some update jokes? I mean, get off your ass. You got nothing in the show. Maybe slipmunter my door if you don't wanna talk to me. I'll write him on. One time I told Dennis I had turned down this commercial for a lot of money.

Christ, I can't be this business will eat you up and spit you out. Nobody cares, okay? And it's all about the curing rectangular green backs. He was right. And I regretted not doing that commercial. You'd get the new writers. Write me some update jokes before you get two in the mix here. I remember my first week on this show

to watching Dennis Miller in the rewrite room on a Thursday night. Come to the room. So funny. Fucking tear everybody fucking ass new fucking hole. Yeah. A hilarious room.

Yes. An insult to every fucking writer and actor that was in the room. He spared me too, because I think he even went down. You're new. I'm not going to fucking the, I'll give you a pass today to kid. There's a point. I know. One time.

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Meadows, you're not even angry. You're just a black guy. You're the nice one. Where's that gonna get you? Then he goes, Spade, nothing. He looks around. Schneider, cop machine. Now's that gonna get you then he goes spade nothing he looks around Schneider cop machine now It's over your family. They're not buying the dope a doobah guy whatever this guy takes tells some jokes

What are you doing up there? All right? Everybody got a family okay? We all bear is Taking down your embarrassing your entire neighborhood, okay We all get to take them all. You're embarrassing your entire neighborhood, okay? Ha ha ha. It didn't even walk out of the room, man. Yeah, because he didn't have to be at the meeting. And he'd have a mouthwash spray and he'd be like,

you know, a suit, you know, the cat and I are gonna go catch the king and I downtown at the orphan. And his hair was all squatted. We're all sweaty and greased up. We got staples in our head. We got stapes of midnight. Do the read through up. We're gonna hit or greased up. We got staples in our head. We got states of midnight. Do the read through up. We're gonna hit Orsso with Al Baldwin.

Yeah. Christ, thanks. The risotto, Carvey. The dying for. Oh wait, I had a question for fucking Timmy. Well, I want to get to a lot of things. Oh, okay, like if you on the new SNL, you were there longer than me, but obviously it's evolving,

but you played someone like Erica Baddo, it's in the olden days. Now, would you present day be able to play a female? Ooh, that's a good question, man. They definitely do women playing men. They do women playing men all the time now. Yeah. I don't think I would do, I think if it was,

I don't think I would do it if it's an impression. I think if it was a character, like me just being a woman, you know what I mean? Like the coffee talk, the lady. Yeah. I mean, the talk, yeah. I don't even know what it's like. No, you know what I mean?

Like what, what do people, I don't know know what it's like. No, you know what I mean? Like what? What do people? I don't know the rules. Yeah. Yeah, like I just started back doing standup like a few weeks ago, man, and I'm telling you, it's been fun, but it's just been like, what the fuck?

Like I'm the one who gets in myself before I say things. Yeah, it's scary. You say the wrong thing. It's over. Right. There's so. You said the wrong thing, it's over. Right. There's so many big words and little words for everybody. And figures of speech, you don't know if that's gonna be a problem. You know, I mean, even in 2015 when I look back what I was doing,

I'm doing Chinese accents, I'm doing all kind of, I've just distilled it. Now I can do Russian and I could do French, British, but that's about it. You know, I just had the table. You know, I was doing Indian accents. I was doing the cook by Cardiol. Oh, we know.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that stuff. And I'm just thinking, I'm killing, you know, I mean, there were no rules and then it just shifted. It didn't work, so I lost 70% of my act in 45 days. But if you've seen that movies, the only bad guys allowed now are Russians or Made up Russian country or aliens. That's why superhero movies do it. Oh, it's crazy planet of Asians Asian aliens

What what what do you want? I want what I want to do to you as I want to kill you see that is just a general No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, It's better if you're not they can't pin it anywhere. Yeah, right. I'm going to kill you someday I will kill you but not now because I want you to think about me putting bullied in your head It's some point in future you hear footsteps you look outside. Maybe you have snow cone You want to you blind? Come from other side lights out, but I love you. It's a real snow cone. So I want to get to Tim's, this is a... Dana, you kill me, man. Holy shit.

Well, you're making me funny or today, Tim, because you're such a great audience. He's a good audience. Sometimes these podcasts are pretty grim. We've done a few of them. They get pretty grim. I'll tell you that much. them they get pretty grim i'll tell you that much

so tibb throughout the year years on s&l he does coneheads its pat wins world to so that you're in the movies uh... you do bench warmers which is one of those fun and mean girls who are steric all as the principal and then i don't want to jump over anything but then of course you have this one of the few sketches that becomes a feature film and what I notice your evolution I left the show or I maybe it hosted I came back or I watched it and I saw you on ladies man I don't know which episode it was, but I just saw this like,

like the confidence in the audience loving you, it just went like that, just snapped. I mean, to another level, I was like, whoa! So how did that evolve? And when did you go, I'm onto a killer, a killer reoccurring character, which is so fun on SNL. And who brings up a movie?

reoccurring character which is so fun on SNL and who brings up a movie. I did. I mean, I think I got more comfortable naturally as the seasons went on. Me too, by the way. Season where David and I and Normie were still there, you know, that year. Yeah, I think that was the year. Cross over a year. Five, six, I think that, 95. Yeah. Why six? Yeah.

That was a year that I kind of felt like, okay, I already know how to show words. I know how to write. I just got to be more comfortable and have more fun on camera. I mean, I just started to relax, really and have more fun on camera. I just started to relax, really. And then ladies, man, just,

that was an easy character for me to do because I had been doing it for a long time, but I didn't tell people about it. Because I used to do it to make fake phone calls. I used to use it as a voice, you know. So I told a couple of writers about it, and they came up with the ladies' man idea, and they would ask me questions,

and I would just answer you doing that voice about relationship questions or problems or whatever. And then it just clicked, man. I was like, even when I do it now, if I feel like doing it, people talk to me or interviews, like it is, like you know, like with any of the things you do,

it's like you just know that person, you know how to care for talks, you know what it would say. It's musical. The way it's saying Kavacea, it's very hypnotic and musical. And so it was operating on a lot of different levels as far as just entertainment and funny. And so the minute we did it, we knew that people liked it.

I mean, it got laughs. And then just we got letters. It was like the only time I really got like, you know, like a lot of fan mail. Basically go by that mailbox. Yeah. Yeah. So that was Dana had a lot of people liked it. Um, and then the whole thing of the movie came up with Lauren. Lauren brought it brought up, as is me and, wrote it with Harper steel who is And Dennis McMickell is So

If they created the character and then yeah Lauren asked is if we'd be interested in writing a script first of all No, he was like dude. Do you think you can make this into a movie? And the three of us were like, not really. That's funny. We think that it would be fun, but we were like, we didn't think it was like a big enough hit that we would make a dish be a movie, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like just business-wise, we were like, well, and then he told us to think it over, and then the three of us talked about it. And we started just coming up with like, well, what if we did this? We haven't told a backstory. We haven't told what his life is like, or what his work life is like, or put them on an adventure or anything like that.

And then we said, yeah, okay, we'll try it. And then we wrote a script, we had a read through, they liked it, and then they were like, we'll give you the minimum amount of maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw-maw be Lauren's deal. Yeah. Lauren out of deal, apparently. So. Yeah. So I mean, that was how it was. And it was really a great experience. You know, I don't regret that movie at all. Like people still to this day, know the character, they know the movie, like when I'm traveling or whatever. And people like it. I mean, nobody ever is like, I think that character was disgusting or whatever, you know. And it just travels, you know, it just travels. Yeah, you know what the thing is, yeah, Dana,

like I was saying to you about the jurk of the fight and impression, is that it's something that people can do. Like you gave them a hook. Yeah, right. And it leaves me the same way. Like people know it and it gives them a hook into a way to talk or to do the character or whatever. That's like the funnest thing to get on SNL.

Have you get one of those? Ribbonic catchphrase. This made me laugh, Timmy. I don't know where this came from, but it was on the Wikipedia page about Leon Phelps, the ladies man, and it said, describing the character, he believed he was the living definition

of what women search for in a man. And that's the classic cocky idiot. Like he was so fucking confident that no one could ever resist him. And the confidence he had is always really fun to watch just a crazy confident character who is kind of clueless in a way. So the character, yeah, I can see that being kind of have a following as people see it

over time. You know, you know, that, and that, that attitude is a lot, I would like say I was like stowed from, you know, or like, I think of Bill Murray and doing a Caddy Shack, like that attitude of like, he's superior to everybody in the movie. Yes. He's the smartest guy in the movie, you know. And so when he's, you trust his riffing, you know, you know, it's gonna get you somewhere. And I feel like I kind of have that attitude when I'm doing Leon Felt. Like he's just trying to do it in the room,

can't make any mistakes. Doesn't know if he's offending you, doesn't care if he's offending you. That's why it's so much fun to play a character like that because it's hard to go through life actually like that. Yes, but one thing that I don't know this sort of dovetails, but I remember we were doing a benefit for Robert Smigel, for autism, and kind of sharing an dressing room. And we just got to start talking about stand-up as a baseline for a career. And I

always tell everyone I told love it, so anybody who's a second city and prop player who's funny, who wants to put together an act, they have all the tools to do it, because they already, if you can score an SNL, you can do it. So I don't know if you began, but then you develop yourself as a stand up comic

and you've been doing it pretty consistently here and there and there we did that crazy show in Laughland. Just imagine just as far as a circumsive there's so that's a that's a movie in itself. But it's David it's five in the afternoon or something in an empty stadium with high winds and bright sun in your face. Outside. Outside. Always and daytime is a killer. Yeah, it may have been dust, but it was just go straight up

in the air. Yeah, and when there's bright out, you don't even look anywhere about the stage. And I hate seeing the people because as many laughs as you get, you always connect eyes to someone going. Yeah. And you're like, you're even listening to what, and you think you're killing

and you always find someone that goes, oh no, you're not. For me, I all in my head, Tim is over in the, in the wings, and I'm up there, I'm going, I am so awkward, I'm so bad right now, I don't even care, this is the worst that I've ever done. And that'll go over and I see Tim. And it just kept thinking, what does he think? This is, I don't want a bomb in front of this S-L-K-I.

Does, knows how to do this. But it was just one of those nights, you just get the check and we walked away. Yeah, you gave me a ride back to the city too. Yeah, I love we had a great time Yeah, we don't get to spend that much time together where it's like we had a couple hours to just talk and stuff and chill You know, so that was that was the highlight of that for me. Oh, totally I was so thrilled that you took the ride with me because I I love comedians. love talking to them. And part of the reason we're doing this is because too many years go by because we're all just busy. Just doing shit. And you never hang out. Even if you went to a dinner at a restaurant, they're playing loud music, it's still, you know, you just want to, like I know a lot more about you right now than I did. And I knew a lot a lot man I knew a lot. I'm a

marsi. Marsi climb. We love to have her as a guest. So you've just gone on your resumes, huge, your work, you're doing stuff, I always hear, name popping up, you're doing this series, you're doing this, you're doing that. So how are you feeling now just in the just doing a lot coming back to stand up now. Yeah, I'm just coming back to doing it now. I've done a couple gigs. I'm with Lubbets. We got it in Catan and Mitchell. Yeah, we did a tour a few years ago with Spain and Rob and

Ressandler to go out, which was really fun. Yeah, I can imagine I like playing for that crowd. Highlights. Understatement. I also was and it was fun to see everybody. I mean, everybody is so good. And I was the least experienced of everybody on that tour. So it was really fun for me to like, I came out first,

like after tonight, I introduced the gig and seeing it. And so it was, you know, I'd come out and I had a lot of good will from the audience, you know, so I feel like I'm gonna pull this stuff. And then they were excited just to show the game. Yeah, man. It was just so much fun to like watch everybody and you know Rest in peace norm. I Enjoyed watching love norm. Just do his shit every night. Yeah, we did something different He was one of a kind and so brilliant, you know It does seem that it comes down to at least for me like it took me I'd say 80, 80 to 100 shows to get where you were talking about, relaxed having fun in a situation that you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

And live performance and stand up too, it's so much just internally enjoying it and being relaxed and not needy and also just clarity. You know, I've been doing some open mics with my kids and stuff, and most open micers, they just, the audience just misses it. Like, what are you trying to say? So just the clarity is set up, and then actually they can see you're enjoying yourself, but the main thing is, you know,

try not to try is very difficult, but once you get confident doing it, then it becomes electrifyingly fun when you're kind of like yourself. I got this folks. You know, I noticed the SNL thing, but let me ask you guys this and you cut it out of the lamp, but like, when you, how do you, how do you get into, like, I know writing new material, like, do you take ideas that you have and then just expand on them on stage,

or do you like completely think out the idea expand on them on stage, or do you like completely think out the idea before you get on stage and do it? David, I'll let you take that one. Um, I do, I think what I wanna say and I hope I have enough of a germ and maybe an out, but it's always undercooked and then I do it and then I trim out the fat.

Sometimes I'll tape it, we type it out and then I'll look at it and go, I don't need that, I don't need that. And then it gets a little tighter. And once it actually gets into my act on a consistent basis, I try to rip on it. But I sort of have to get it to memorize the way it works and then I can screw around with it.

But finding it is tough. And you almost have to tape because you say one thing you like and the rest of my act, I'm trying to remember that one line to remember. And I just, if I don't tape it or anything, and I hate listening to myself, so it's a real horrible. Yeah, the only thing I could add to that is what I tell the love it's is just don't be in a hurry

to get through a bit. Like say you have a bit now that works, whatever the topic, there's always more and just stay there. You know, I always try to remind myself sometimes, don't be in a hurry, just stay there. And the other thing I like to do is find a 20-seater. I don't know what the number is, but I'd say say 20 cedar.

And then just bring up your yellow pad with just ideas you've had and tell the audience you're doing that. I call it podcast stand-in. Here's an idea I had. I don't even know if this is funny. And then you're automatically there on your side. That seems to be a really good way to develop material. Once you're out there in front of a packed house and everything, it's way too late. Something will work.

A 20-seater where you just got the yellow pad, they know you're just fucking around. I think it aligns all the time. And then George Carlin always said, write everything down. Because writing happens when you're going to a movie or you're hanging out or you're having a... It's not when you're trying to write. And just write every single tiny thing down, that would be the method I use. I'm sure you use variations of what David and I just said. Yeah. I do that too. I like to write notes down and then I'd go back and look at it and think about what was the original thought that made me laugh that I wrote this down.

Yeah. that I wrote this down. And the thing I've been doing now, I'm in Chicago, so I'm gonna try to do some open mics tonight, I'm gonna do Zane's tomorrow. What I've been trying to do is, calling it as advice, which is couching the new shit between two bits that already know works. And then you were saying, Dana like give yourself time in that bit. Like, okay, here's the new thing I'm working on. It's probably gonna die. I don't know what it is, but even if it fails and I got this other thing, yeah, that'll get you back. You could look at a chappelle, even

chappelle five years ago or whatever. He was never in a hurry, you know, to get through things. And when you're young and kind of scared, you just want to roll right through it. As I've gotten older, more confident, I'm just going to sit with this idea now. And not when the, I call it the second voice that's giving you a real time report card, when that just shut that up and it's all tied into the same thing having fun and confidence. I'd say confidence in where it comes from, how it happens is somewhat mysterious, but when you have it, the idea is I'm Tid Meadows, get the fuck out of my way, it goes back to the Detroit guy. I'm coming on stage for you motherfuckers,

and guess what? I'm the shit. I'm fucking funny and I'm really smart I may be I may be kind of too handsome for a standup Don't let that get in your way you bitches, but that that's the thing tonight when you go just I'm Tim Meadows, man Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm Dana you're the best man. Thanks, David, thank you. Jimmy, it's great talking to you. I miss you. I will see you soon. And thanks for blabbing with us. Hey, what's up, flies?

What's up, Blaze? What's up, people that listen? We want to hear from you and your dumb questions. Questions, ask us anything. Anything you want. You can email us at flyinthewallatcadens13.com. This is Hello, David Adana. can email us at flyin'thewall at cadence13.com. This is Hello, David Adana. My name is Robin.

I'm from Belgium. Belgium. Nice. We are blowing up in Belgium, Dana. Love your waffles. Okay. Okay. I can't step foot in Bulgaria.

We're too big. Okay, big fan of the podcast. Question is both of you, what do you consider to be the others most under and overrated impression? That's from Robin Ritzon. I say you're most underrated is Michael J. Fox from Casualties of War. Oh yeah. That's your most underrated. Yeah. I'm not a big impression guy. And so this question's probably more for you, but Michael J. Foxx, I had a lot of pride in

and I think it helped me get on SNL. I tricked them into thinking I was like rich little because I had one impression. I also did Tom Petty, but on the show, you get a lot of, you get get assigned your Dave Perner from solo asylum. I did Kurt Cobain, did Brad Pitt. There's a bunch of those where you get assigned every week so they're not that great, but they're just more looks, you know. And then Dana would get really into them. So if I said Dana's, I would say I like

pretty much all his. I don't think any of them are really overrated. I do like when you do a Ross Pro or a George Bush where it's something, I don't even know if they really said, maybe they said it once and you run with it. Like, there's a Ross Pro where you go, let me tell you one time. What did you say? Something like that. Yeah, Kenneth, Kenneth finished one time. Yeah, that's like a James Brown. You've got a point. Yeah, that's right. Kenneth you one time. What did he say? Something like that. Yeah, can I finish one time? Yeah, that's like a James Brown.

You've got a good one. Yeah, that's right. Can I finish one time? So maybe, you know, when I was just doing a walk in impression for Dana a little bit ago, I said, I talk about a mouse and I go, he's smart, the smart, you know? So if you can find one little tiny thing that sounds like them, that's fun. But Danes are all underrated and they're all good and he finds these little one lines and little hooks.

So that's the hard part. Even if Trump or any of these guys didn't say that or not going to do it kind of got crazy with George Bush, it's such a great hook and it sounds like the person that the actual person almost needs to say those things now to sound like them because it's so famous. It's more famous than the actual person. Yeah. And there's two ways of looking at an impression, like abject, accuracy, like, oh my god, it's like a tape recorder.

That's perfect. And then there's something that's more of an abstraction and funny and takes liberties. And so maybe I just get bored, but I do like to extend them and make them into one sound. Like Trump. Well, that's good. That's what it works. But that's what it works, question SNL, because crowds are waiting for something.

And if you do just a perfect impression, it doesn't always pay off. I think it's always nice when a host comes in and they have something secret in their grab bag, and they can do an impression Z-Reddaho sketch around it when they get to theirs. It's always shocking, they can do one, and it gets a big applause.

It still is, it's almost like magic to me though, when someone like Frank Kelliando can sound exactly like Morgan Freeman, like eerily. So I love impressions of all stripes. Fly in the Wall has been a presentation of Cadence 13. Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes. Executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Chris Corqurin of Cadence 13 and Charlie Feinand of Brillstein Entertainment, production and engineering led by Greg Holtzman,

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