Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade - Wayne Gretzky

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

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What is it? Oh yeah, we have a secret, but we're going to tell you what happened because a lot of people, a lot of people, we get a lot of people in letters, a lot of people are saying, Dana and David, there was a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people, a lot of people are saying, Dana and David, there was, I don't know which podcast it was, but you guys talk over. Sorry, Chuck. He took it.

And they said, Dana. You know what? Okay, I was trying to illustrate it. I mean, I think they get it. Okay, we talk over each other a lot. There was a technical issue with our buddy Wayne Gritzki so that we could not talk over or laugh or make a sound when he was talking torture.

It was fucking amazing. I loved it. Where is it? This is the test to you. What do you like better? Do you like going? Shut the fuck up and act professional and respect the guys.

Or when we're in the ball. We're giggling and we're laughing. If you want us quiet, this is your podcast. But just so you will listen to the podcast, when Gretzky happened to be a great guest with this technical issue, he had great stories and I'd kind of signal to him. But for me personally, I had to wait and looking at his face

on the Zoom and going, I think he stopped talking. Yeah. We should start talking now. It was very hard. We had a long pause and I go, because we would laugh during, like right at the beginning, and we were in trouble because he goes,

when I started to hockey and I go, I'm playing hockey! And he's like, and you know, because we like jump over him. Because we'd cut him out. David, we look to him. This is us. I'm seeing him on the zoom.

He's seeing me. So we couldn't, you saying stuff was making us laugh, but we literally, if we laughed at all, his sound would drop. So most of the time, I'm seeing David do this. Yeah, because we couldn't you saying stuff was making us laugh, but we literally if we laughed at all his sound would drop So most of the time I'm seeing David do this. Yeah, because we can't we can't even like make one noise Yeah, because his sound cuts out. He's the greatest Hockey player of all time. He's super naturally humble about his stats

He's always saying no and there's plenty of great hockey players out there. That's the best I could do That's good. Yeah. But he hosted SNL when I was there and it turned out it to be a really charming great episode. So we talk about that. And that was a big moment in his life. These professional athletes who host SNL, it's kind of a badge of honor. If your episode was good. And so he travels with that. And so that was a fun part. We try to get him to say he's good. He never would give himself a compliment. What about the stats?

Like no one has ever scored more than a hundred points this season. He scored over 206 times. What about that? Well, I don't know. They're just stats. They don't mean much. I'm just like,

one of the puppets in the balcony. Wayne. Oh, I don't know. Well, it's the best I can do in a pinch, hey. He was great. But my boy is, it's very different because there's pauses, so fucking deal with that. And we don't even giggle when they're funny.

You can't hear us, but we're just off mic. And he says funny things and we can't, we're not allowed to do anything. Okay, that's all. You'll figure it out. Wayne Gretzky. Write us your comments. Where I don't know. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING

AND OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING I heard that David actually is a speed golfer like he doesn't he walks up the ball and hits it and according to John Loveitz is a pretty darn good player. Yeah, but anybody look good playing to say John Loveitz. Oh, right off the bat. Why do you say that? That's for me. I didn't mean just David. I mean, all of us.

Yeah. No, no one can golf, basically. I'm always surprised a guy was shooting like 120 swearing and swinging the club and angry. I'm going to do it. You're going to shoot 120. Why are you angry? Just have fun. You know, Wayne is, I've seen him out at Sherwood and the infuriating thing about him among other things is he's he's pretty good hockey and he's very good at golf.

And he. Yeah. Well, you're better than Wayne. Wayne. Are you good at golf? Just a question. I'm very average at best Well, Danny. He smoked me so Well, if I if you with legal rules no Mulligan's on a on a PGA course could you if I said the word 90 as a score would that sound familiar higher low? If I could play the senior T's 60 years old and over Do they move those up? I didn't know that Yeah, you know, I can't play back where my son will out plays. I shoot 120 So you your son-in-law is one of the best golfers in the world

So that must be weird going out and playing with Dustin Johnson. I assume. I don't know. You know what's funny about it? Everybody always says to me, the first question is always, how many shots does he give you? You think I'm stupid? He's always my partner. Oh yeah. That's a very smart move. I think I saw a scorecard at Shadow Creek of, maybe it was you and Dustin, maybe you guys are all playing, but it was a very low scorecard. Yeah, you said, when you play with a pro and it's just for fun, are they almost extra great in a way?

Cause they're so relaxed, Do they take more chances? Or they're just kind of laissez faire? They're all different, but I will tell you this. I play a lot obviously more with dust than any of them. He's so cordial to everybody on the course. He loves to help people. If you guys played with him, you would walk off the course and say, what a wonderful guy, how

nice he was. And I don't care who you are. You get nervous playing with them. I still get a little bit nervous, even though we play, I think you don't want to embarrass yourself, right? Yeah. No, I've heard that from other people too, what a gentleman he is and that must be great to have a son-in-law that is so cool. Oh, yeah. Dwayne, I got to play with Tiger

to get a lesson for one of his shows or something. And I saw the show. Oh, you did. Okay, so you know it was a knee-clacker. It didn't talk about nerves. And even though he couldn't be cooler and, you know, obviously bored of tears with me. But he was super cool, super cordial, helpful, gave me, you know, in so much pain, he wasn't so much pain then. Wayne, this was, you know, the day before the accident. So he, it was his last, not round,

but I did five holes with them, but I told everyone it was 18. But we did five. And then, you know, he'd tell me I had to go the bunker. He'd get down to give me reads. And I remember asking him, then, do you think you'll ever play again? Just be, I don't know why I asked him that because he was so sore from a back operation. And then he crashed the next day and I thought, oh, I don't think he can, he'll play again.

And then he was better next day and I thought oh, I don't think he can He'll play again and then he was better than me within minutes again well Few athletes come around the world as good as he is and was I Can tell you this the respect that he has not only from people like you and myself that see him play and For watch him I can remember four and five years ago asking Dustin, what do you guys think? Do you think he can win another major?

And there wasn't one guy that said, no, he won't win another one. They all to a man said, you know what? He's so unique and so good, he's gonna win another major. Little did I know, that would be the master is that Dustin came second in. I said, Dustin, of all the majors he's got to win.

He's got to beat you by one. Oh, man, one of the most chilling moments in sports was him winning that. I'm sorry about your son-in-law, but I was just such an incredible comeback. And, you know, you're in that pantheon. I mean, you are people talk about Tiger Woods and, you know, it's a really small, small group up on Mount Rushmore in athletics. And you're up there with Tiger and that's why we're happy to have you on the show. I'm thrilled to be on the show because obviously, you know, both you guys,

but I'm big fans of both you guys and more importantly, you're both good people. And it's my pleasure to be here today. Well, that's nice. Wayne, do you remember the day you went from the pretty good one to the great one? Walk us through that day. He was too. I want to hear this because I was 10 and it was so sick. I was 10 years old, I scored 400 goals. I'm not team. And so that's when I was five and I got one goal. I remember I cried on the way home at the end of the year and my dad said,

don't worry, you're going to be okay. And I was like, I only got one goal. But I got 400 goals. And this guy, a little writer, he wrote every good athlete has a nickname. And he'd nickname me at the age of 10, the great one. And I was so mad. None of my teammates ever called me that. None of my friends ever called me that none of my friends ever called me that but it kind of stuck with me for life and I've had it since I was 10 What was your nickname David when you were 10? Mine was nothing mine was knucklehead mine was shrimp cocktail and

Didn't love it actually I read that you're Your dad had helped you with all that. And I remember when I was four, my dad gave me a Nerf football and then he drove off and that was it. So we have a similar situation. Well, at least you had a parting gift. I didn't know the parting gift. He goes, Hey, play the dad home game. Here's a football and get fucked. It's a it's a it's a part of you. But obviously you talk a lot about your relationship with your dad and I was just curious about your whole family playing hockey outside at night and just this

whole culture of hockey. What your dad was just a crazy fan right of the of the sport of the game. You know what he really wasn't that's the that's the it was You know what? He really wasn't. That's the... It was more of me than my dad. When I was like three and four, he would take me to outdoor parks and ponds because we couldn't afford to skate indoors. And I would skate all day.

And he decided one day he said, you know what, I can't take this anymore. I'm going to build a rink in the backyard so I can sit in the kitchen and drink hot tea and watch him in the backyard. So it wasn't, he never pushed me. I get parents that ask me all the time, they'll say, well, you tell my son how many hours a day he used to practice.

And I would say, you know, I never practiced. It was just, that's what I'd love to do. From night in the morning to six at night, have dinner. Sometimes I'd skate eight o'clock to 10 o'clock at night in the backyard by myself. And people would say, don't you think you're missing something?

You know, hang out with your friends, go into movies. I never thought I'd missed anything. And they would ask you in my love, but my dad and mom both supported me, but they never pushed me one time ever. It was never even an issue in my house. So, you know, our house is really unique because my five kids are older now.

I have a daughter, the place tennis at SMU. Addisono is a golfer, but now is kind of he's at NYU taking business At a son that got drafted by the Cubs and I have an older son who loves hockey and does hockey clinics around the world with him and I And we have you know what there's never any pressure from me. I never pushed them Listen sports is our life. I've got to travel the world. I got to meet some and sports is our life. I've got to travel the world. I got to meet some wonderful people, some great opportunities. And it's all because I had a love and a passion for a sport, and nobody ever pushed me. Well, for all you pushy parents out there, know the day, you know. But I will tell you, it's the greatest thing in the world, whether you're six years old or a professional athlete, but look in the stands and see your mom and dad and your spouse there.

The support is so important every athlete will tell you the exact same thing. Did you ever do fantasy sports because when I was a kid, you know, it'd be like shooting and it's good. Did you ever lie out there by yourself, go and great, she's coming in and great, she passes off. Just back to Kristi. But she scores. Did you have fantasies in your head as a little kid by yourself on the ice

at 10 o'clock at night? Every day. But I didn't, I was pretty how, I always idolized Gordy how, at five years old I got a Gordy how Hockey, Jersey for Christmas. My parents could have re-wrapped it every year and I would have been happy. We didn't have a lot of money,

been fined by me. So Gordy was my guy. Everything was Gordy Howe scores, game seven, overtime, hat trick for Gordy Howe. Yeah, we all did it. Every one of us. And if you're saying you didn't do it,

you're lying, because we all did it. What did you, what if you're saying you didn't do it, you're lying because we all did it. What did you think when you first met Gordy Howell? That must have been intense. Oh my gosh, I'll tell you my Gordy Howell story. So I met him when I was 10. And when you meet your idol sometimes in sports that you go, well, it was okay.

Your parents say, how was it meeting Gordy? And I remember I told my dad, I said, you know, he's bigger and better and nicer than I even had in my mind. And then at 16 years old, I played with his youngest son, Murray, who went on to become a doctor. He's a doctor and Detroit. We played together and we'd get on the team bus.

And Murray was a real diligent student and he would have all these books. And every time I get on the bus bus, and Murray was a real diligent student and he would have all these books. And every time I get on the bus, I'd sit with Murray, and Murray would say, Wayne, where are your books? And I go, well, okay, next game, books. But there's one game I came walking on the bus, and I had six books, and I went to sit down,

and we say Murray, and he goes, I'm glad to see you're taking this seriously. He says, what do you got? Geometry, math, English, and I goes, I'm glad to see you're taking this seriously. He says, what do you got? Geometry, math, English. And I said, well, I got Gordia Howe, how to be a great hockey player. Gordia, hockey tips. Gordia Howe lessons.

I said, you want to be a doctor? I want to be Gordia Howe. I like that. Did he ever write a book? How to be Gordia Howe? Well, I know one thing when I was a kid, you'll laugh at this because I was like six years old and I sat down on the barber's seat. My mom took me to get a haircut and they said, Mrs. Gritsky, what do you want to do to his hair?

And I turned to the barber and I said, and I get a Gordy How haircut. That's how much I like Gordy How. Wow. Well, David, you had similar thoughts about me, right? Because I'm a little older. When I saw Dana, actually, I ran into my dad when I was 20 and he goes, I guess you didn't make the NFL. I go, what? He goes, I gave you that football. What a goldbricker. He said it was two colors. You were spoiled. No, I was a skateboarder Wayne. And, you know, I think it's nice, it'd be nice to be in your position. I think Dana and I have it in a smaller way.

But when you do something and you see these guys like a fire end in the Dan Accord, you know, I was the same way with comedy. I think Dana was too. So you run into a guy that Steve Martin, someone you grew up listening to albums, or the exact same scenario. And if they turn out to be cool, it's very nice.

And then if anyone says hi to me, just because they saw something, and if it's even close to that scenario, and they're probably gonna only see me once, and they run into me at the Cheesecake Factor. If you can be nice for one second, that's gonna probably it for them. You know, they're not gonna run into you again,

what are the chances? So I try, I know, Dane is very cool to people. I know Wayne. I saw you out of the golf course and always cool everyone. Even kid rock. You were nice to everyone. By the way, Kid Rock is a great singer, Dana Dana and if you don't believe me ask him and then is Robert the news lately? It's what? Is Robert been in the news lately? Oh yeah, you know, that's why I always crop him out of my photos on Instagram. I can't take the comments.

Well, for our listeners, just to reiterate, you still have 61 records. Right, or is that just Wikipedia stuff? NHL records. Honestly, I don't keep track of it, but whenever I go somewhere, that's what they say. So, you would know as much as I do, honestly. I tried to put you in context for other people. I don't even know how to do it because you were the, weren't you the best player in the world by time you're 17?

No, no, but let me say this, people ask me this all the time, cause it's all subjective, right? It's what you believe. And so for me, I always say that Ali Jordan and Tiger were the three greatest athletes that I ever saw and I happened to get to know them and they were all really nice to me so listen that's a great thing about sports right we sit around and we debate

who is the best team who is the greatest athlete who is the best hockey player who is the best baseball player it's all debatable there's so many great athletes it's like your business there's so who is the greatest athlete, who is the best hockey player, who is the best baseball player. It's all debatable. There's so many great athletes. It's like your business. There's so many good people in your business. Can't just sit there and say, well, this guy is the greatest ever.

There's so many good people. It's all personal choice. Yeah, I mean, there are a few stats that are, at least eye popping, but there's others, you know, 10 MVP's or I mean, you scored over 200 points, no one else. David, let me explain. I've got the stats.

He has, he won the heart trophy, which is really good. The nicest, the heart trophy is for the nicest person, I think. I don't really know how it works, but he has a big heart and you can tell. And he has, reading his Wikipedia, you know that we don't know. And we're not laughing during while you're talking Wayne because it cuts out. So this is killing, Dan and I.

We can't laugh over you and we can't talk over you. And it's killing us. We're smiling. Because if you think we're not doing it it's because you cut out. So we have to be, we're training ourselves. So I do love all this shit about him but he doesn't like to talk on himself. I can tell.

But I have an interesting question. Maybe. Well, I found it fascinating that as a, as a young man, you had to move out of your hometown because you were so famous and you're like 14, you move it with a family. And what I found interesting because I, you know, I have kind of a fear of flying. I'm not terrible, but I'm kind of, and that you were flying around in a DC-3 that could only go to 9,000 feet,

going around as a 14 year old in a hockey league. What was that like? It was horrible. I actually got over it because of it. All I could think of was it was a tricky balance it died in a DC3 We are always right in the middle of the worst weather you can ever imagine and I think Edmonton and Calgary is cold. Sue the same rig. It's more snow and it's colder than Edmonton. Trust me

So it was a tough year, but you know what? I got through it and everything worked out okay. Dana, you know all about Masterclass, don't you? I do. One of the favorite ones that when I first hooked into Masterclass was instructor Steve Martin. Ooh. How to do stand up.

And it's very interesting, really well done, Steve. Yeah, these classes, I mean, I'm shocked pretty much of the big names they get that are just the best of the best in the industry. They have a new one with Samuel Jackson. He teaches acting. Mm-hmm. Don't go in the house.

That's not aligned for one of his movies. That could be though. But Samuel Jackson should teach how to be Don't go in the house. That's not aligned for one of his movies. That could be though. But Samuel Jackson should teach how to be in every commercial and every movie. Judd Apertau teaches comedy. Yeah, that sounds interesting. I mean, he's done great movies. He, a lot of the big ones.

This is 40. He's got a 40-year-old virgin, funny people. He talks about writing, performing stand-up, pulling in life experiences to create hilarious storylines, creating characters, all the stuff you need to know. If you're going to write a movie, you're going to direct a movie, you're going to do stand-up. I'm sure he covers all those bases. It's great. Masterclass, you can learn from the best to become your best anytime, anywhere at your own pace. Annual membership started $10 a month and you get unlimited access to every instructor, thousands of online lessons, exclusive content, insights, and much more.

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on annual membership masterclass.com slash fly. And then you tried to help me to have tailing to your great SNL appearance because we talked about it and you'd said, I'll tell you at the end of the week, doing the week of SNL, how to get over your fear of flying. And you wouldn't tell me all week. And then when the show ended, you said,

one word, helicopters. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha So it was stay out of an airplane if you don't like it. There's no I've done everything I've been to hit my therapist. I've been in simulators. I've flown with the best pilots in the world It's just a listen. I'm never at a speeding ticket in my life and I don't like heights That's a bad combination Although a little bit older. I'm better. Janet and I traveled to Caribbean two or three times this winter. I'm doing things that I used to not do because I said, you know what? I don't need to get an airplane. But

either you're comfortable flying or you're not. There's no in between and it's as simple as that. Wow. Well, I, I, I'm a kindred spirit. I feel for you. If it, if it's good weather and it's going good and it just, everything feels good, I can start to relax and joy it. Mostly it's weather driven or something happening. I'm the same as you. I check the weather. I know when we're flying to. I hate flying into places like Aspen and places there or Phoenix at two in the afternoon and June. I tried a helicopter once like you guys are talking about. I'm sort of in the middle of flying. Don't love it. It makes no sense to me. So it's hard. And the bumps of course. But at that first helicopter, the guy goes before we get on, how much do you weigh?

And I'm like, I don't know, I'm like, 145, he goes, more like 146 or 144, I go, this can't matter, why does it matter? He goes, well, you're gonna have to sit on the left, we gotta even it out. I don't like that it's that close, and then when we hear these noises, he goes, you know what, these things have a way

of figuring themselves out in the air. Let's go, I'm like, wait, what, what? So when you're doing that, and it's like an in-precise science of, I'm on some jolopy, and I don't know any history of it. Dana's smart enough, he looks up every flight, he's on, looks up the pilots, smart. You can help a little.

I was on a private jet once where, it was for a corporate gig, and the two pilots, we were full full board just me with two young guys. And then they aborted the takeoff and then they start really fighting like yelling each other. Fuck you man. It was my fault. They're screaming.

I'm going, should I get off this plane? Then they kind of calm down. So we're going to try it again, but they were mad at each other. The whole flight, just stuff like that. It's just weird. Of course. try it again but they're mad at each other the whole flight so stuff like that is just weird of course. Try it again. What the fuck? Wayne, can we dovetail into your SNL parents? Yeah, let's do.

Okay, I will walk you through it. So I'm flying in the airplane and Lawrence's office had called me and asked me to do Saturday Night Live. And I said, you are your mind. I spent the year Larry and D.D. Gordon and Jerry DeBrookheimer to the best people in the industry. And I'm like, I don't want anything to do with having to act. Or I said, you know what, thank you.

I appreciate the offer. I was on an airplane. I was flying to the East Coast. I was going to the Kentucky Derby. And I was reading the newspaper. And in the newspaper, it said, Wayne Gretzky to host Saturday Night Live. And I didn't even pull the paper down.

I looked at my wife and I said, OK, I know you called Lorne. She goes, you're going to thank me at the end of the week. And that's all I've been. Let me tell you, I was so nervous the whole entire time from Tuesday, even taking a picture is on Tuesday, I was nervous. But I want to tell you, between Dana and Mike and Dennis Miller, John Loveitts and our hometown boy Phil Hartman, they took me under their wing every single day, every half hour they'd say, don't memorize the word, don't worry about anything, we got you covered, just go with the flow, if you make a mistake, we'll cover you up.

So I said, okay, I feel good, I can get through this. And then I got really nervous when I'm standing behind the door at 1133. Someone says, don't go out there on the first name of Wengeretski. When they say, Wengeretski, the second time I'm going to open the door, you go out. And I said, okay, I got that. So they say, Wengeretski, I don't move any TV. The old guy and he said, don't be nervous. There's probably 25 million people watching live.

That's what I got nervous. I would say that. Oh my God. The guy that went, you got to be kidding me. So we went up and I was so fortunate. We had the fine young cannibals were the music group that year. It was kind of an interesting time because I really was excited to do it. I was thrilled. There was so much Canadian content on the show that they helped carry me through it. But I ended up having a riot. I had a ball. I'm glad my wife said you're doing the show. Dana and Mike, and as I said Phil and John especially Kundabin nicer and Lauren was really special to me and somebody said did you make any mistakes

and I said I don't think I really made any mistakes and they said would you ever do it again? I said no because I can make mistakes next time I've done. So it was one of those things. I'm so thrilled that I did it. I'm proud of it. And gosh, it was a lot of fun. Dana, Dana and Mike made it a lot of fun. Well, Mike, as you know, being a Canadian and I know he has a Canadian order. You guys all get like awards. I don't know what your order of something is, but Mike was so excited you were there. And we all knew the idea, but professional athlete has never done sketch comedy, and now he's gonna do live sketch comedy.

So we all understand how insane it is. And liked you, go ahead. Like putting you on the ice. Well, to dovetail to that, so we did a pre- pre tape, which is just a funny memory of my time on SNL involving Wayne here. I, I, you know, we didn't really play hockey out in California at that time. So I was playing Garth and we're doing a pre tape and we're Wayne. Our Mike Myers Wayne is going to beat the real Wayne and your wife is looking. Whatever the sketch was, it was very funny.

But I was trying to get my skates on and lace them up. So, Wayne, this Wayne gets on one knee and helps me lace up my skates. I go, that's kind of cool. And then I got up and I held the hockey puck, but I wasn't doing it right. So Wayne goes, excuse me, hold it like this. So I just thought, is this like Babe Ruth teaching you how to like stand in the swing of bats? So anyway, that was quite a thrill. And you, you, you're, you're incredibly nice as people know listening to this.

I don't know. There's a phrase Canadian nice. I think it's cultural, but you were so sweet. And before we get into the minutia of the show, what happened was the show just caught fire on air. And you caught fire on air. And that really stood out to me. The show really landed live. And that doesn't always happen. So You guys were the best. I, I, I, I couldn't ever do it again because you guys were so good. But by the way, I saw the clip of him in Victoria Jackson and you got that spade feather hair.

My hair was exactly that look back then. It was like, wait, I don't know if that was a wig or was your hair because sometimes in the show they put you in a wig that looks like your hair. No, no, let me tell you something. So we do all these skits, right? And as you guys know, they do, I guess, four or you one thing. It shows okay. But if you want to be different, you've got to do the singing scene, the Elvis role, quote, the Elvis role. You've got to sing. I go, Lauren, I have no rhythm. I have nothing. You guys know it all. It'll be good. We'll tape it into my computer, whatever you call it. So I said, okay. So I remember Polina would be about six months old

and I was changing her diaper and I was singing the song, rehearsing, I'm fighting a day before the show because I didn't want to mess up all the work. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it, it's, it's, I guess, water skis, but you know what? I'm glad I did it and it was wonderful. Those, as you know, you guys are all agreed on that show. Well, we had a lot of practice, you know, but in that sketch, Waikiki Haki, I think it was called, I think I faked Skid in, you were a Victoria, and then I skid in, and then I think you did a fake punch and knocked me out of the frame.

But all week I knew we're gonna be side by side where their shirts off. So I was like, you know, we're just kind of kidding like we'll see who's got what what, you know, you know, I was doing push ups all week, you know, and then I realized when I saw your build, I mean, your built, but you weren't, you said it's all really in the legs. You don't even, you're not a bruiser, you're a technician and an artist. So you kept the upper body lighter, right? And you know, it's ironic about that scene and people might not know this.

They wanted me to hit like this piece of steak off a table. I stand in there with a sort of a can of some kind and I'm to hit it into the can and I couldn't believe I knocked it in. But Conan O'Brien was holding the can. He was one of the writers on the show. So every time I see him he goes, you know, I caught that steak. He was the steak catcher. How fun. But what a great time. You know, Dana, we were, I don't think I had many athletes and I was there. I think we had Michael Jordan, which is a good one to have.

And he was the same way, like, out of the element, perfectly normal to be freaking out. Listen, Dana and I are supposed to be good at it. We're in sketches that bomb all the time. It's just, that's just the luck of the draw and you can't always nail it. It's not always under your control, but when you see athletes come on, it's just really fun and if they try stuff,

like if you're singing or everyone knows this isn't what you do. It's kind of just fun to watch this train wreck in a way. Well, YKQI, like the show was going on live and I'm not exactly sure where it was, but I remember like Roards coming from over that side of the studio and then looking at a monitor or something and seeing you become Elvis, you know, and I thought there was a charisma to your commitment and Elvis was shy, but then he also had this great confidence and that's what I think creates charisma.

So when you did that in that moment, I don't know if your wife said it to you, you were a rock star. Look at the tape. Yeah. Well, I'm not saying your show was a train wreck. I'm saying sometimes if things go sideways, it's never really the athletes fault

because they're just put in a ridiculous situation. But it is fun to watch because sometimes some sketches go really well. And everyone's like, hey, pleasantly surprised. But yeah, going back twice is probably tough. You get a feel for it. You get the nerves out by the end of the show. You're like, I did it. It's a bucket list done.

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competidoras en número globales de clientes en 2021-2022. So let's go, let's break him down a little bit for fun for real SNL fans. So you got to work with the great Phil Hartman, got Ressa Great. One of the best people ever and greatest cast members. And he did a character called the anal retinot man. And this one, he was a anal retentive fisherman and you were fishing with him. And you got to see him up close to his character and hang out with Phil. What are your memories of that sketch? So it was really, it was amazing because when I first met Phil and you can ask anybody that I know or you know, one thing I know about is every celebrity that ever went to Hollywood

if they're Canadian or not, I knew every guy and probably because of my friendship with Alan Thick over the years I just learned all the way back to Lauren Green who was Canadian right when I got to SNL I didn't realize Phil Hartman was Canadian and the first thing he said to me is you know I'm Canadian and I went oh my gosh I really didn't know that and he goes well I'm from your hometown I'm from Bramford Ontario and I was so embarrassed I looked at him and I said oh my gosh I didn't know that. And he goes, well, I'm from your hometown, I'm from Bramford, Ontario. And I was so embarrassed, I looked at him and I said, oh my gosh, I didn't know that. And so, here when I we chatted the whole week,

he went to the same high school as my mom went to, back in whenever. It was amazing because he said, I wanna do this anal retina fisherman skit. And, oh, it's more like a talk show, which is comfortable for me. And I'm like, yeah, okay, that's fine. And so we're sitting in the boat and dressed rehearsal one day and I said to him, I said,

you know, Phil, I'm sorry, I didn't really realize you're from Bramford. And secondly, I said, one thing I hated doing with my dad as a kid was fishing. So I went out of a good chocolate. He used to tell me stories of where he grew up and what area. I was so impressed by him and he was so nice to me and I'm so happy that I got to do that sketch with him. Because he just carried the whole thing as you guys know how talented he was. He said, wait, just play off of me. And if you mess it up, I'll just cover it up.

And I said, okay, and that's really kind of how you guys carried every sketch. You guys are so professional. I saw, I watched that sketch and you just handle it great and you get eaten by a giant fish at the end. Yeah, we don't give it away, Dana. You know, I think fishing, we don't give it away, Dana. You know, he, I think, I think fishing, he doesn't like fishing because it's, it's really melted ice and that drives him crazy.

Yeah, I like it frozen. So there was another sketch that I love the rehearsal because this, it made me laugh because we were all these celebrities trying to give you advice on the locker room. So Phil, once again, was playing Jack Nicholson. I was doing to vault and we're just giving you like really a name of ice. But anyway, every time Phil would talk to you in the rehearsal, you would say, great one, just like Jack Nicholson saying that. And every time I saw your head go down and you were just laughing your ass off over and over

I speak to that I know Pull them aside on the Saturday, you know Saturdays you guys know it's a long day and I said so Don't say great one too many times in a person But you know what listen it was uh, I remember Dennis Miller was playing the owner of the team also. And Dennis was standing there, he had a suit and tie on and he was trying to be serious. And every time I looked at him, I kind of started to giggle. But I think at the time he was doing weekend update.

And I'm like, okay. And I would kind of giggle and chuckle, but you know, it was all good. Dennis is so funny. I don't know what his attitude was there. It must have been, all right, come on now, let's listen to these actors. Okay, they're going to show you how to play hockey. All right. Hey, Johnny T, what do you got? And I was Travolta, and my only advice to you was, you know, maybe everybody could just rushes to net like really, really fast. Like everybody goes right at the net, super fast. I don't know if I wane you golf with Dennis, but when I was younger, you know, Dennis is probably my favorite comic.

And we got to hang out right when I got SNL right before I was opening for him. I used to open for Dana too and they were always nice. But Dennis and I were playing in Palm Springs. He drives all the way at the Palm Springs. The first crazy thing is he goes, all right, Sputley, we're going to play wherever out there. And I go out and he goes, all right, so you got your car. Follow me. I'm like, follow you three hours to Palm Springs. We can't ride together. And then when we get out there, Eddie, on the first tall, for one thing I do is I go, hey, it was a part five, I go, where's the flag? Is spudley, you don't have to worry about the green

for another fucking 12 shots, just hit it. I go, okay, and then he does two shots, he goes, let's get the fuck outta here, I'm going home, I go, back to LA, I go, dude, don't have a this much of a temper, God damn. That's Dennis. Wayne doesn't know this, but I was sort to LA, I go, dude, don't have this much of a temper, God damn. That's Dennis. Wayne doesn't know this, but I was sort of the,

Dave Somenko of SNL. Oh, I like that you got that name. Just ran it off the computer. I'm sorry, I'm being helpful. What a great, what a great name. I was sort of the enforcer and regulator,

like when I was around Farley and people would bump him, they would go to start a fight and they'd look at me behind him and they'd go, okay, all good, all good. Cause they knew I'd jump in. Well, who was that guy Wayne? What is your remembrance of Dave Soming? Well, first of all, he was amazing because probably the toughest, maybe toughest athlete, toughest

hockey player I ever saw, and the nicest man he would never try to hurt anyone. We were playing a game one time and I knew the kid and the other team. He was kind of bumping him and I said, hey, stay away from, want to fight you, stay away from him. And the kid just kept going back at him. So finally he dropped his gloves. He threw one punch and two guys carried him by our bench and his nose was sideways.

And I was sitting on the bench and I said to him, I told you to stay away from him. But he was sold by not only teammates, but he was kind of a hero in Canada and in Edmonton, blue collar guy, hard worker. I can't say enough good things about him. He meant so much to my career. And I don't know of people who don't aren't as familiar with hockey, is that you would have players or teammates that part of their job was to protect you, right?

Or you, how come you didn't get hurt so much? I, or, cause weren't they trying to hurt you or jam me up against football? I would have. Yeah, I would have tried to hurt me. Yeah. I just, I just, I guess, and part of it was luck. Quickness, you know, just to get out of the way. You know, when I turned pro in 1978, I was 148 pounds. I remember the first day in the locker room, players were looking at me going, there's no way this kid is going to survive playing against men. And you know, I just, I guess I started

at six and when I played against 11-year-olds, I just learned how to protect myself because I was always the smallest guy. And even when I turned pro at 17, I was playing against them with men. And that's just the way I did it. I promised my dad I would finish high school and I did. I played with man who treated me like a teammate and yet respected me as a person and I was very lucky. Did you pay attention to nutrition? I mean, what was your pre-game meal back in those days in the 70s? It was awful. You know, every game day though, I would eat steak and potato at 12.30. I never changed from the age of 16 to the day I retired. But in those days, you know, in between periods I'd have a piece of pizza, chocolate bar sandwich. I just, you know,

knowledge is everything, right? From concussions, we know more about it. Nutrition, fitness, training, these athletes today are so much better just the knowledge they have. So yeah, it was a different time, a different era. I bet there's a lot of professional athletes today have never even seen a cheeseburger or a hot dog That's just they're still Dedicated now and they they have such an understanding that we didn't know right we didn't understand

And also I don't know if this is real but a number that LeBron which throw out or maybe Seth Curry is about a million dollars a year Spent on their body. I guess between the full-time bodywork person and crowd of gamers, and I don't know what, but it seems extraordinary now what professional athletes do. Hey, listen, you know, Dustin's in an individual sport. He has his own personal trainer these half for 10 years. He has a personal chef that goes to tournaments and they eat properly, they rest properly, they have an assues, you know, they're doing it properly, right? They understand

this is their livelihood whereas back in our day, when you got to be 40 years old, you're relatively older, right? It's a difference. Yeah, if you look at all in the family, remember that show, Dana Archie Bunker. He was 21 when they shot that. No, let's all. Stifle yourself, Edith. No, but it's true. I mean, I think golfers are, first it was basketball players where they were all lanky in the old days and now they're all ripped.

And then I think golfers are all getting stronger and hitting it farther. And I think it's just part of it. Everything's just getting better stronger people living longer people playing longer. Well, listen, every sport has changed baseball athletes today are better. Football players are bigger and stronger golfers are tiger changed all that when he became he became an athlete training and lifting weights and running and it has a trickle down effect. Tom Brady what he did in football. It's just it's a different world. Look at Doke of it in Federer. Federer is 41 playing well. Borg retired at 26. It's just a different.

Yeah, and also, you know, the one thing, I don't know if I was trying to figure out anything equivalent in other sports. It seems like that your special gift was, I don't know what the exact quote was, but don't go to where the puck is, go to where it's gonna be. So if Brady's a quarterback and he's seen

all this stuff happening on the field, opportunities squashed, maybe an opera, all in split seconds, is that equivalent? Is that related at all to what makes a great hockey player, being able to see the whole vision of the ice and anticipate. Right. Yeah, I think that there's a couple of things. One, you're right about that, the vision, the sixth sense of understanding what is out there in front of them. And there's a lot of great athletes that have that. And then there's the special athletes like Jordan, Tiger, Brady, Petr or D'Ocavich, Medell, that you can't teach being able to play under pressure. And either you welcome the challenge and you want to be there in that minute, in that moment, or you can't handle it. And there's two different kinds of athletes.

Some guys relish it. Right now you look at a kid like Patrick Mahomes, he relishes being in that spotlight and taking on that pressure. LeBron always takes on that pressure. Brady did. You know, in our game, guys like Mark Messy and Merrily Mew, they welcomed that challenge of being in game seven and being on the spotlight. And that's

when they became their best. That's when they became better athletes. So you can teach a guy, everything you want to teach him, if he can't handle to teach him if he can't handle the circumstances if they can't handle the pressure it's all for not and There's some athletes it handle it better than others and some guys just They have a tough time under that microscope, but the great athletes and I go back to Watching George bread hit and Mac and role play tennis and Larry bird Bird and Magic Johnson. The bigger the game, the better they play. It was like, what you talked about when your first questions to me, did you dream about this as a kid?

Game seven, scoring the winning goal or winning basket? That's what those guys did. And you can see the smile on their faces, the bigger the game, the happier they were. And that's why they became who they became. Yeah. Do you see that in present generation? There's Austin, Matthews, who's from my town of Scottsdale.

There's a Sid Crosby. And do you know these guys? Do you see them? Do you talk to them? Yeah, I know them all pretty well. We're at a crossroads here. We're from the late 90s, still not about now. Crosby and Ovetzkin carried the mantle and they were amazing.

It was going to go down as one of the great players of all time and Alex is too. More importantly, what they've done for the game and for the cities that they live in, Washington and Pittsburgh, they're both champions. And we sort of passed the mantle now to guys like Matthews and McDavid and Nathan McKinnon and MacArthur. These kids are amazing. They're good kids, they work hard. They understand this position they're in, the spotlight they're in. The game is probably in a better position now than it's ever been and they should feel proud about that because they work hard and you know what, it's tough grind, but they all live up to it, but what Crosby and Obedchkin did, they carried the man's off for good 20 years and they deserve

a lot of credit. You know, someone once said you miss 100% of the shots that you don't take. Do you like that? It's on the office and it's like super famous. I've got to be honest, I'm tired of seeing it. I see it everywhere. It's funny, they put Wayne Gratsky then underneath that. It's a great quote. That's funny as shit that he steals it and still gives it to you. Also, your lovely daughter was in grownups too

which Spade at a pardon Met her on that she was perfectly sweet and polite and nice and a Hope she had fun on that she seems to be doing well. I see her out more out in the world I don't see her personally, but I see she's doing great. Yeah, we're she's doing unreal, two beautiful grand boys that, you know, people say to me all the time, isn't it great being a grandparent? I'm like, we're not normal grandparents. They travel two weeks a month and I'm like a father again. I said, I gotta get up 630. Janet makes some breakfast. We take them to school. And it's all fun.

But we're not like those regular grandparents that hand them back at the end of the day. Wow. My son and his wife and daughter live here and my other son and his fiance live here. So we're all here except for the two kids in college. We're in Florida and it's really nice. Wow. Yeah, you just seemed really, really, really blessed with this family. What I wanna talk about for a second is the revolution in marketing. Like, I bet Gordon Howard didn't make that much money

during his career, but now athletes create global brands and all kinds of things. and you're the most successful hockey player as a post-career entrepreneur. I believe or what oh, I just wanted to call that out. Greatness wins because I watched a documentary on Misty Copeland last night or she was on a gardener. Anyway, she's a partner with you and Derek Jeter doing that's still going on. Do you have a beer company or sort of,

or any kind of... So I have a winery in Canada, which some people know about, some people don't. We're in Nagar on the lake. Before the pandemic, we're probably one of the most visited wineries in the world that about half a million people a year. Partly because four million people a year go to another balls for their honeymoon. We're 10 minutes away from that, but we put out a really nice red wine, white wine, ice wine, vodka, whiskey, beer. I have a great partner

who has been in the business with his family since 1955. We have an outdoor hockey rink and the wintertime, the kids can skate and play hockey and have games. So, you know what, listen, I said this earlier, everything I have in life is because of hockey. Tours have opened and people I've met. As you said, being with Misty and Derek, uh, with, uh, uh, greatness wins. I originally started with untucket as an investor and that company did well and he decided to branch out Chris and, you know what? Listen, I can't thank enough my family and friends and people I've met. It's just been a lot of fun for all of us.

It seems like it may be satisfies. I don't know about Michael Jordan or Magic Johnson. It satisfies a little bit of post-athletics competitiveness in a way, so you want to win it investing and have your product be the best product So it feels like it's a natural fit just for something it's exciting It's exciting and I love it and I'm enjoying it and actually two weeks ago Derek and I had dinner together and Derek's a little bit more involved day-to-day than I am but the truth be told for me, the competitive period of winning hockey games is everything. And winning championships to replace that, I don't think I'll ever have that same high. That's just me being honest. But I'm loving what I'm doing, being a grandparent.

But I love him when I'm doing being a grandparent. My family is everything and I'm lucky that my kids are healthy and my wife deserves a lot of credit. My greatest compliment you can get as a parent is when people say, you know what your kids are so polite. And that's because of my wife and how she raised them. She was around way more than I was when I was working. But I feel very fortunate. I've had lived a wonderful life and met some wonderful people and there's some great cities. I wouldn't trade it for anything.

It's been very enjoyable. I just had a quick question on another frequency. As hockey movies go, yeah, slap shot with Paul Newman, mighty ducks with Amino S. or Miracle on ice with Kurt Russell. I don't know if you've seen them, but those are three. I've seen them all. Okay. What let's rank them. You ever seen the Gabby do good movie? I think President Ronald Reagan played a New York Ranger in 1947. You have to get a tape of that one day.

It was actually pretty good. He would get penalties on purpose. So we get in the penalty box and talk to this pretty lady. They ended up marrying. And I think the most important thing about Gabby, though it was one of the fucking movies I ever saw. But I'll rate them like this. One of the handsome brothers I played professionally with Steve Carlson one year in Edmonton. I enjoyed Mighty

Ducks because Michael Eisner used to come to a lot of the hockey games with Janet and he said I'm going to do a hockey movie called The Mighty Ducks, and then I'm gonna have an NHL team called The Mighty Ducks. And I remember saying to him, a dinner one night, you're crazy. Hucking have an NHL team named The Mighty Ducks. What do I know? And then the third one was Caddy Shack, right? Miracle on Ice, that was about the Olympics. We went to the premiere of The Miracle on Ice, and unfortunately Mr. Brooks had just passed away.

It was very emotional. It was a wonderful movie. You know, it's hard for me to pick one because they're so different, but I would tell you this. Rob Blow did a movie of Patrick Swasey called Youngblood, which 80s. And he called me one day and he said, can I come out and skate with you guys? I'm doing this movie in Toronto. But it came out and skated in a

morning skate with the, I was playing on Emmetson then, the morning shoot around him and David Foster and they came out and skated. And he was actually a really good athlete. He was good. So a lot of the younger people love that movie, young blood. But all in all, the enjoyment of winning the gold medal, Miracle on Ice, is pretty special. Yeah, that's a big one. Yeah. Kurt Russell's great. Kurt Russell as a character, that coach again, again, again.

They're training them all night long. I mean, he was just torturing them in a good way. Yeah, it's great. Before I go, before Wayne goes and then Dana goes third. But I wanted to say, Wayne, first of all, thanks for talking to us. And I don't see you a lot, but when I do, and the golf course, you're very polite, very cool to me. Your wife, very sweet, pleased me for maybe $300, $400, it's fine. Okay. Dana is wife plays and she's, of course, great. And then, of course, I got roped into whatever.

And anyway, I lost money, long story short. But I think it's a business right off, I think. And that's it. And Dana, anything else you want to tell this young man before we go? I just want to say thanks for coming on and you're our first athlete host. I believe. So Peyton Manning also did a great job hosting. Michael Jordan, they're always welcome. But you're our first and my first superstar athlete on that show was your show. And it always crossed my mind as a special show

and just been a pleasure talking to you. I give you, I call you the great one of life. Put a hockey aside. Yeah, it's got to like going on. Well, by the way, one last thing, just the NHL Turner Sports show that you do for Turner Sports National Hockey League that you just started doing, right? Last year is kind of like Charles Barkley.

It's sort of like Kenny Smith. Yeah. Are you enjoying that? I love it. I couldn't be with a better company and the people are so nice and Charles obviously we see them a lot there because our studios are side by each. It's just been a wonderful fit and I get to be around hockey periodically and I couldn't be happier. I want to thank you two guys for taking the time to talk to me and you guys are always great to me and I wish you all the

best of luck with your podcast. I hope it goes great. Thank you. We're doing we're doing great. Shout out to Paul Bison at Ants and Carter and Liam McHugh. I think I got those Dave's right. Your partners. If you need me to help you with any of the other athletes to do your show call me. Thank you, buddy. Thank you. Appreciate it. This has been a podcast presentation of Cadence 13. Please listen, then rate, review, and follow all episodes.

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