Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - 1 Nephi 16-22 Part 1 • Dr. Tyler J. Griffin • Jan 29 - Feb 4 • Come Follow Me

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

Why does the Lord lead us into unfamiliar wildernesses? Tyler Griffin examines God's nourishing and strengthening power and how revelation and strength come gradually.Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.co/book-of-mormon-episodes-1-13/Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/follow-him-a-come-follow-me-podcast/id1545433056YouTube: https://youtu.be/QWuOGc05OWQInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/15G9TTz8yLp0dQyEcBQ8BY00:00 Part 1–Dr. Tyler Griffin00:18 Review of last week’s episode00:43 Preview of 1 Nephi 18-2202:16 Bio of Dr. Tyler Griffin03:20 The Lord is with us07:03 Marriages occur and blessings follow08:08 Marriage provides strength10:26 The group continues to travel11:30 The Liahona14:55 Trusting the Lord17:15 Miracles and challenges20:48 Reminders of discipleship22:11 Nephi takes ownership of the broken bow25:42 Trusting God and taking steps28:21 God works with wooden bows and a single arrow32:33 Finding God amidst affliction36:13 God requires action39:17 Transactional relationships vs covenantal relationships41:42 Two reactions to one set of trials44:31 Staying positive in trials47:50 Shouldering heavy burdens49:32 President Emily Freeman and building a relationship with Christ51:33 Moroni began to look forward53:53 Nahum and Joseph Smith58:50 Shipbuilding and the Lord has more in store1:00:25 Taking steps without knowing the entire path1:06:05 The Lord reveals in steps1:09:57 End of Part 1–Dr. Tyler GriffinThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignAnnabelle Sorensen: Creative Project ManagerWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

Hello, my friends. Welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name's Hank Smith. I'm your host. I'm here with my curious co-host, John, by the way. John, welcome back. We're still in First Nephi. Follow him. Absolutely. I'm still curious. Yeah, you are very curious. At least I didn't call you round, right? So, John, as we wrap up First Nephi, what are you thinking? What are you looking forward to today? Well, I kind of love that here the journey resumes because we have some storyline

and we kind of stop and take a break for some doctrine. And there's doctrine in the storyline, too, but it's fun to see, OK, where are they? And now they're going to resume the journey and what's going to happen. So I'm looking forward to that. Me, too. Me, too. John, we are joined by one of my favorite people on planet Earth. His name is Dr. Tyler Griffin. Tyler, what are we looking forward to today? We're in First Nephi 16 through the end, right, of First Nephi 22? Yeah, the thing I'm looking forward to is finding the Savior on every single page and finding us as He's offering to help us on our journey as we allow Lehi and Ishmael's family's journey to kind of become three-dimensional,

come off the page, and as we journey with them, we may not be in a desert exactly like they are, but we're in a desert. We may not have a Leohona that looks like Leohys, but we've got a Leohona. We may not have the struggles of a broken bow and all these other issues that they're going to face and having to build a ship. We're not down there in that same location, but boy, oh, boy, we're building all kinds of ships that we've never built before and we need help from the Savior and He's going to help us. And then, get excited, we get our first introduction to those two chapters of Isaiah that Nephi introduces to us. It's just beautiful. I'm excited today as you look at the ups and downs of this family's experience. You yourself experience ups and downs. And you learn a lot about how to take on those issues.

John, Tyler's new to our podcast, but he is not new to the church. He has done so much good. Introduce him for those who maybe don't know it. I think you're right Hank. I think a lot of the church has seen Tyler before and loved hearing him teach. Let me give you a little bit more information. Tyler was born and raised in Providence, Utah. He served his mission in Brazil. Let me see if I say this right. Curitiba. Curitiba. He returned from his mission and married an angel named Kiplan Crook. Tyler and Kiplan have 10 children, five boys and five girls. They love spending time in the mountains, playing board games, doing house projects, being together. Tyler was part of piloting and managing the online seminary program,

and he's been teaching at BYU since 2010. Tyler has a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering, and his master's and doctorate degrees are both in instructional technology. He wrote a book called When Heaven Feels Distant. He's co-authored Come Unto Me, Illuminating the Savior's Life Mission, Parables and Miracles, and co-edited Millions Shall Know, Brother Joseph Again. Tyler, I think a lot of people have probably seen you on Scripture Central videos as well. Tyler, we are so glad that you are here. Thank you. Yeah, let's have some fun.

I'm going to read a little bit from the Come Follow Me manual and then we'll have a conversation here today. As Lehi's family journeyed toward the promised land, the Lord made them this promise, I will prepare the way before you, if it so be that you shall keep my commandments. Clearly, that promise did not mean the journey would be easy. Family members disagreed, bows broke, people struggled and died, and they still had to build a ship from raw materials. However, when the family faced adversity or tasks that seemed impossible, Nephi recognized that the Lord was never far away. He knew that God doth nourish the faithful and strengthen them and provide means whereby they can accomplish the thing which he has commanded them. If

you ever wonder why bad things happen to good people like Nephi and his family, you may find insights in these chapters. But perhaps more important, you will see what good people do when bad things happen. What a great intro there. I love that closing thought that you shared there, Hank, from the manual. That idea of sometimes we look at these struggles and these challenges and think, man, I've been trying so hard to be good. Why is God letting these bad things happen to me? And yet, in hindsight, keeping in mind that Nephi's writing this record 30 to 40 years after they left Jerusalem, so he's giving us three plus decades of hindsight on these stories. I don't think he would call all of these struggles low points or terrible experiences because I think from his perspective,

looking back in time, he's seeing how much he and his family grew and how much they were able to develop their trust in God, their understanding of God's plan for them. It's just beautiful to walk through these stories with them. We know the end, so we're not concerned. But they didn't always know the end. It becomes a little more easy to apply to our life today. I love the fact that he opens up this, as John mentioned earlier. It's the journey resumes, because we've been camped there at the Gulf of Akhaba on the Red Sea for a long time as they've made multiple journeys back to Jerusalem for different reasons, and now we're ready to progress towards the Promised Land. As we look at our own lives, sometimes the world puts all the focus on the end target, the end product. In this case, it would be the promised land,

getting to the promised land. When in reality, I think some of the most beautiful aspects of the Gospel of Jesus Christ are not what God promises to us in the end, although they're astronomically big and we can't understand them. But I think some of his powerful tender mercies are to be experienced along the journey in the wilderness. Because quite frankly, he's God. He could have just instantaneously transported them over to the New World and they show up on a beach like, where are we? I don't know, let's pitch our tents and start a new civilization. Getting to the location was important, but I think having opportunities to become more like the Savior and to deepen relationships

with loved ones is a beautiful aspect that we shouldn't overlook here. Yeah. I've noticed in the scriptures oftentimes there is an end place the Lord wants someone to get to, but he needs them to be the right person for that place. So the journey often prepares them for the place and also to appreciate the place or to love the place that they get to when they're there. So you're right, he could just move them there, but that wouldn't make them the person they need to be when they get there. Absolutely. I also love the fact that you have this little verse 7 where he says it came to pass that Ain-n-Fai took one of the daughters of Ishmael to wife, and then he talks about his other family members getting married, and then the very next verse, his next part of this narrative flow is, and also Ain-n-Fai had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly. I love that

connection to marriage and family, which isn't always celebrated in our world and in our culture today. But entering into this covenant of marriage is a way to access these exceedingly beautiful blessings that the Lord offers us. That's fantastic. Tyler, I'm glad you bring that up because so often, especially as the world continues to decay, wonderful, beautiful marriages are hard to come by sometimes. And sometimes they're not modeled for our young people. They don't see them in their lives. So this would be a good chance for a teacher to just stop and testify the blessing of a

faithful, wonderful spouse if that's part of their experience, their situation. I think, Tyler, you know that I was married a little, little later than most and I struggled to find somebody, you know, I could pop the question to who would agree and I thought, what did Nephi do? And I found this verse, I knew if I took one of the Drozd's bishmilt's wife and I thought, oh well, Mr. Gohend Do just went and did and it's easy for you, you're large in stature. I mean, it didn't work out that way for me. The whole marriage and courtship of Nephi, we get in that verse, but there is another footnote. Footnote 7a takes you to first Nephi 7, it's verse 19, where one of the daughters of Ishmael defended him when they wanted to go back. And I'm thinking,

oh, I had a feeling about you too. So maybe we'll find out one day, maybe that was her. I'm glad you bring that up because we all know what's coming when Nephi loses his father and how difficult that is for him. But I'm so glad he had this strength of a wife and that he would say that I have been blessed of the Lord exceedingly. I think the historical setting of when he's writing this, because we know the command come 30 years after they've left Jerusalem to rewrite the story. So he's telling us this, not from his honeymoon, that, oh, life is so good. This is after three plus decades of being married and going through all kinds of struggles with her at his side. It adds this covenant connection that's forever kind of a feeling. I love it. It's also important for us to remember that over half of the adult population

of the church today is single, for one reason or another, it's important that we don't teach these principles in a way that creates this feeling of exclusion, that you don't have access to certain blessings because you may not be married. The reality is, is the God of the universe, he's infinitely powerful and infinitely loving, and he has compensatory blessings, ways to help make up for his children who are on the covenant path doing everything they can to put him and his kingdom first. But they may not have the same opportunities and privileges as others. They're going to be compensatory blessings offered to them. And that's beautiful. And nothing will be withheld from them in the eternities. Beautiful. Thanks, Tyler.

So we begin our journey. Let's break the camp, take down the tents, and head south by southeast. How long have they camped, Tyler? Do we know? Well, it's about 250 miles. If you do the Google Earth mapping from Jerusalem down to the tip of Akhaba and then go three more days' journey into the wilderness, assuming with camels and other abilities that they're traveling 20, 25 miles a day. You add all that up. It's about 250 miles up to Jerusalem and then back. These are not quick journeys when they go back to get the plates and then back to get Ishmael and his family. So yeah, it's probably been a couple of months, multiple weeks, but maybe even

multiple months that they've been camped here by that river. The command comes by night to Lehi to take the family and everybody's going to leave and begin on the journey. You can picture Lehi waking up thinking, okay, here we go into the unknown. I have no idea what we're going to do or where we're going to go, really. And verse 10 is so amazing because as he comes out of his tent, there at the tent door to his great astonishment, he'd be held upon the ground, a round ball of curious workmanship, and it had two spindles. It's fascinating. We don't ever get the name Leahona here anywhere in Nephi's fascinating. We don't ever get the name Lea Hona here anywhere in Nephi's account. We don't get the name until Alma 37. He calls it a compass,

or a ball, or a director, and you've got those two pointers. And then he makes it clear that the writing changes from time to time. Verse 16 tells you that it leads them in the more fertile parts of the wilderness. I love this because as a kid, I used to read this and think, man, I would give anything to have a Leohona. And it doesn't take too long to mature spiritually to realize, wait a minute, God's given us all kinds of Leohonas that have writings that change from time to time that point us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness. That's a beautiful reminder to all of us as we embark on another year of study in this Book of Mormon, to start seeing the Book of Mormon as one of the many personal Leohonahs that God has

provided for us to be able to guide us. It's significant that Lehi isn't getting direction for how to build a boat on the Leihona or for what to do leading into Nehom or any of these other parts down the road. It's the next step of the journey. I don't know about you guys, but sometimes I get frustrated with myself or with progress. I've got this end goal in mind. I'm not getting there fast enough. This part of the story reminds me, this is literally line upon line, one step in front of another. Just keep walking on the covenant path. Don't try to run faster than you have strength. From time to time. That reminds me of general conference. You could expect the Leohona to change every six months. Here comes some new writing.

The fact that there were two spindles has always been curious to me, speaking of curious workmanship, because it says there were two and then it says one pointed the way we should go and then it's called a compass. And I thought, well, maybe one of them pointed north because that's what compasses do. And maybe the other one said, okay, that's north, so you're oriented. Go east or go where this arrow says, which is east. I've heard others, another school of thought is two spindles, maybe as the law of witnesses type of thing. There's two spindles pointing the way we should go because later on, I think in Almond, it talks about the two pointing the way they should go. I wondered if you guys had any thoughts on that.

It's fascinating. I've always defaulted to the first option that you shared because it just makes sense that they call it a compass. And he's given you very specific directions. Here he's going to say, traveled in a nearly southeast direction. Seems like he's tuned into the latitude, longitude kinds of things that a compass would do. And then the other one. But if there are other options, that's awesome. I feel like up to this point, they're traveling unknown roads. And that's another way that the Lea Hona sometimes there's a path that's kind of predictable or we kind of know what we're supposed to do. And then sometimes it says, okay, I want you to go that way and you're going that.

I've never gone that way. I don't know how to do that. And I think that's kind of a cool thing about the Lea Hona because now you're off the beaten path. I want you to go through what they call the empty corridor. It's called empty for a reason. I mean, I imagine if I go on, are you sure? I'm going to go that way, which is another kind of metaphor for life. We may be asked to go places we've never gone and there's a real trust element here with this.

The other thing that's amazing about this part of the story is if you look at it with Google Earth and you look at just the sheer distance that they're trying to cover in that desert, it turns out that it's pretty close to exactly double the distance from Nauvoo to Salt Lake. So it'd be like going from Nauvoo to Salt Lake and then back to Nauvoo, so that everybody has in their mind of a framework. So those early pioneers, they could make the trek three months, four months. And yet these people, so if you were to double that, we're talking six, seven, eight months is what would be reasonable. But this is the empty quarter. This is rugged area. But later on, Alma, teaching his son, Helman, gives that insight that it took them longer to make this journey. They had to travel in a circuitous route. They

didn't take a direct route because they didn't give appropriate faith, diligence, and heed to the direction that God had given them through the Leohona. They didn't trust appropriate faith, diligence, and heed to the direction that God had given him through the Leohonah. They didn't trust the way they could have it as a group, and I think he was speaking collectively rather than individually there. Which to me is so interesting because some of the struggles that they face here, it makes me scratch my head and ask the question, I wonder, I wonder if they would have experienced all the degree and the depth of the difficulty if they had perhaps given a little more diligent heed to what the Lord was telling them to do. And I don't know that anybody's going to be able to answer that question. But it's not a finger pointing

at them exercise as much as it is a looking in the mirror exercise, learning from their story and then reflecting it on us and saying, life is hard. There are challenges. And how often do I bring some of those challenges upon myself, because I haven't followed the promptings that the Lord told me what to do or what not to do. And I just, for whatever reason, didn't do it. Well, I think he often probably looks at me and says, Hank, I could give you problems, but you do a pretty impressive job of making your own. I'll just go ahead and be hands-off here as you let you deal with all the problems you yourself create. The other cool part here is you say, all right, we've got the Leohona, we've got the

direction, I'm in this covenant connection with God. I'm on his errand, so life's going to be easy. It could be like somebody joining the church today or re-engaging with the church and their discipleship today thinking, okay, now my life's going to get easy. I don't know of a scripture character that engaged with the covenant path, and then all of a sudden it became this smooth paved road with a guardrail on both sides and no struggles. It's high adventure. Jared Sautner Tyler, as you're saying that, I think to Nephi, Lehi, Saraiya, Sam, the daughters of Ishmael, some of them, this is an incredible miracle. I mean, this is an obvious sign from God that what they're doing, they're on the right journey. This is what God wanted them to do.

And maybe you were going to bring this up later. But for Layman and Lemuel, they explain this miracle away. If you go to 1638, they talk about how Nephi lies to them. He tells us these things. And he worketh many things by his cunning arts that he may deceive our eyes, thinking perhaps that he can lead us away into some strange land. An obvious miracle is explained away. Explained away. Oh, Nephi made it.

He made it because he just wants to kill us. He wants to take us far away and rule over us. I thought to myself, how sad that is that a miracle is sitting right in front of me, and I explained it away. Sometimes with the Book of Mormon, I've seen that happen. People have the miracle of the Book of Mormon in their hands, and they explain it away. Oh, Joseph Smith made this up. Which, by the way, if that premise is true, if laymen and lamellum are right, then if I really is just conniving, trying to take the leadership of the people. Just a simple question, would you really take the

people down into that empty quarter? Is that where you would go if you wanted that rather than somewhere else, beachfront property to take over the leader? It just makes no sense. And yet they're convinced that it's not a miracle. So sadly, miracles don't convert and they sometimes don't even convince of even that they're a miraculous thing. When I study the Book of Mormon, to me, it's an obvious miracle. Plain is can be right in front of a snobby miracle. And many people, as you both know, explain it away. It's not miraculous. It can be easily explained, which it can't. Which I think is beautiful that the Book of Mormon allows us this window into the inner

workings of this family that isn't perfect. They've got their struggles. And the book doesn't just talk about the good stuff, the pleasant stuff. It talks about all of it. It's all in here. And you see these ups and these downs and these these wrestles and these relationship issues going on. It teaches us this reality that we can either choose to be reactionary in our relationships and treat our loved ones in transactional kinds of relationship ways where it's, look, I expect you to give me this if I do this in the relationship versus those deep-rooted covenantal connecting kinds of relationships where I'm going to love you not because I'm trying to get something back from you

or something out of you. I'm going to love you because you're in my family or because you're a child of God and I don't expect any repayment. So instead of you're seeing layman and lem, you'll take these ups and these downs and reacting to the environment or to the situation. And if they're well fed and everybody's alive and everything's good, we're happy. It's good. But if it's not perfect, then we're going to lash out and place some blame on somebody else and play a trump card of we're victims in this situation. So it gives us these good and not so good examples to try to say, what kind of a brother do I want to be? What kind of a father do I want to be? What kind of a disciple do I want to be? Good reminder force. And to watch out for that victim mentality,

they can be so corrosive to relationships. I'm just looking at verse 37, hey, let's slay our father and also our brother Nephi. And sometimes I say to my classes, isn't it wonderful the Book of Mormon begins with a family with problems? In fact, can we say a dysfunctional family and they, let's slay our brother and let's, let's kill dad too? Yeah, I think there were some real problems in that tent. And then what Hank just said about verse 38, he'll work things by his cunning arts that he may deceive our eyes. And I think some people just, well, if I could see it, well, they did, they saw an angel. But well, I don't know how you did that, but you deceived up. Even if you show them, they'll, I don't believe it. I don't believe my own eyes.

I've made my own footnote here because after Samuel the Lamanite prophesied of a sign that's really hard to fake, that it's going to be light for a day and a night and a day. This isn't like making a Leohona in the back room. Really hard to fake that sign. Well, Satan's spin machine starts and I'm looking at Helaman 16. And it says, they will by the cunning and mysterious arts of the evil one. Okay, same phrase, cunning arts. Work some great mystery which we cannot understand.

Which I think if you really want to find a way out of it, I guess you can just say, well, you deceived our eyes. It must be your cunning arts or something like that. So the interesting thing about that, John, is the fact that those verses you're referring to, 37 and 38, those are coming at the very end of the chapter after we've covered a lot of ground and been through a couple of cycles of this up and then down and then up and then down, Nephi broke his bow in verse 18. It's always been fascinating to me that Nephi, the youngest of those four brothers, broke his exceedingly fine-steal bow and the reaction is, my brethren were angry with me because the loss of my bow for you to take no food. Implication being, the whole family, including these brothers,

have been relying on Nephi to provide all the food for how long, how many days, how many weeks, how many months, I don't know. The other thing to notice here is if we're talking about being proactive, as Elder Bednar would say, be an agent willing to act rather than sitting back as an object waiting to be acted upon, I love the fact that you see those kinds of elements, even in the wording in verse 18, the way Nephi reports it. I did break my bow. I don't know about you two, but if I'm writing this, I want to do what I can to not make myself look bad. I mean, that's just human nature, right? So I would have written, my bow did break. I would have put it in that passive voice. Yeah, it was an unfortunate thing. My bow got broken, darn it. But Nephi takes ownership. I did break my bow. He's not blaming anybody else. That's on me. I broke it. I think that's beautiful. I'm going to show that to my students.

Yeah, I quote elder Lynn Robbins gave this talk called Be a 100% responsible. I quote at the beginning of each semester. I've never noticed that Tyler so cool, the passive voice there. I broke my bow. I miss the deadline instead of the deadline past somehow. And I didn't know. I really liked that. And maybe he fell, but he, I love that. I broke it.

Yeah, I broke it. He didn't tell us how, if he pulled it too hard or if he slammed it against his tree stump because he was so frustrated with what his brothers had just said. And uh-oh, it just broke or if we don't know. But he's taking ownership. That's the reality. It doesn't matter how it happened. The fascinating thing is then everybody's complaining and murmuring, I've heard people make fun of Nephi. It hurts my heart a little bit to hear people say, well,

of course, Nephi's writing this, so he's going to be the good guy. And everybody in the whole group is now murmuring against the Lord, including Lehi, the patriarch. They're all murmuring against the Lord, but not Nephi, Mr. Goody Two Shoes. I've heard those statements before and the reason it bothers me is because it's okay for Nephi not to murmur. Why? Because Nephi's seen some things in vision. He knows some things. Back in 1st Nephi chapters 11, 12, 13, and 14, he has that incredible vision on that mountain peak with the Spirit of the Lord and then the angels showing him some things. He has seen his posterity in the New World. He's seen Laman and Lemuel's posterity in the New World. He's seen Jesus come among them. He's seen some things.

He knows they're going to get there. How? Exactly they're going to get there. He's seen some things. He knows they're going to get there. How exactly they're going to get there? He's not exactly sure, but he knows they are not going to die of hunger because he broke his bow. And I love that idea of if we can trust our prophets, seers, and revelators, that they see things. They may not know every step along the way. That's okay. But they know some things that we don't. And if we can just trust that God has given enough vision that we can put our faith in Jesus Christ and follow the prophets that He has chosen and He has spoken to us through, there may be periods of intense difficulty where we feel like we're all going to die, but we're not all going to die. God didn't send us down to this earth to condemn us and mock us as we struggle out in

a wilderness. There is deep ability for people to connect with God, especially when that wilderness gets extra wild, because I can no longer rely on myself. I love something that President Hollands wife Patricia Hollands said, if you can rely on anything other than God, then it's not complete faith. Your faith is really tested when everything else is taken away and all you have left is, dear God on high, help me. I don't know what to do." And I love that model here of Nephi then saying, well, murmuring isn't gonna feed us.

So the only thing I know is I'll go find some more stones for my sling and I'll make a new bow and a new arrow and then go ask dad where I should go hunt. I love the simplicity of that process. Tyler, here's a quote from C.S. Lewis that fits exactly what you said. He wrote, You never know how much you really believe anything until it's truth or falsehood becomes a matter of life and death to you. Then he talks about a rope, and he says, You can believe a rope to be strong and sound if you're using it for a daily household chore.

And here's the rest of the quote. Suppose you had to hang by that rope over a cliff. Wouldn't you then first discover how much you really trusted it? You're right. As soon as it becomes a moment where this is the only thing I have, then we find out some things about ourselves and our faith. Dr. Justin Marchegiani I love that. It's the idea of people, they face these crises at times, and they come in a variety of formats and modalities. But instead of turning heavenward in frustration, what a beautiful model here on the page to exercise that faith as you're describing

from this quote from C.S. Lewis and then the story from Nephi to be able to turn heavenward and say, Lewis and in the story from Nephi to be able to turn heavenward and say, I don't have a clue what to do next. Lord, please guide me, and I'm going to try some things here, and the efforts are going to be really lame. I mean, can you picture the wooden bow and the wooden arrow that he brings back to camp compared to his fine steel bow that he had broken? It probably looks really silly, really insignificant, but it's amazing the way God works with people who are willing to just move forward. Just do the best you can with what you've got right now and trust that the Lord will help you. And this is the same Nephi who had to get the plates of brass from the laban. It wasn't easy. It was like, I know I'm supposed to do this.

How come these things keep happening to make it hard? With that experience in the background, I broke my bow. I'll make another one. We all know the phrase, take the initiative. I love these footnotes here in verse 23. It came to pass that I, Nephi, did make footnote 23a, topical guide initiative. I'm gonna initiate some action.

Let's see, well, I'll make another one. And then also, and I said unto my father, isn't his father murmuring right now? That what is Nephi do? Look at footnote 23b honoring father and mother. I have a friend who's been in his two teacher for years who told a story about asking his father for a blessing. His dad says, I can't do that right now. He said, I know, but I'm asking. And it was months later as Scott related that he got a phone call from his father and he said, son, I've just come out of the temple. I'm ready to give you that blessing now. And he with tears in his eyes said, Nephi taught me how to honor my father. And I thought, wow, what a great lesson to draw from that, that he went to his

father, even in the middle of his murmuring. Because Nephi could have said, Okay, well, you people complain, I'm going to go get dinner. Right. But he still went to his father first. I noticed, Tyler, that in verse 16, he tells us there's so much done back here. I mean, every verse has something that we can learn. Verse 16, he says, the Leohona didn't just lead us to difficulty, it also led us to the more fertile parts of the wilderness. I love the duality of this. Following the Lord led me to some of the best experiences of my life and some of the most difficult experiences of my life. Both are wonderful. I have a tendency to choose the more fertile parts of the wilderness over the difficulties of the wilderness. If I had it my way, it would

all be the more fertile parts of the wilderness. But I like that he started with that. Listen, I know I'm going to describe some difficult things that happened, but the guidance of the Lord led me to really great, really great things. And I think we can do that same thing. Here's some struggles I've had, but they've been on the background of a very blessed life from the commandments. John, I've heard you say before, keeping the commandments is easier than sinning because of the long term. The consequences of sin are not a fertile wilderness. It's an easier way to live because you don't have to deal with the consequences of not living it. But when you said that, Hank, you know what I thought of was Jesus's statement that I've come that they might have life and that

they might have it more abundantly. The fertile parts of the wilderness is the way to an abundant life. I'm going to mark that, Hank. Thank you. It reminds me of the very, very first verse of the Book of Mormon, how Nephi opens up the entire record, that middle phrase when he says, after doing the famous Aenephi having been born of goodly parents, therefore having been taught somewhat in all the learning of my fathers, then he says, and having seen many afflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless having been highly favored of the Lord. I think this is one of the many experiences there where I'm not sure Nephi would have felt as highly favored of the Lord or the last phrase of verse 1, having a great knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of God, therefore I proceed to make a record of the proceedings in my days. I don't know that Nephi would have known the extent of God's goodness if it hadn't been for

some of these broken bow and Ishmael's death and attempts on his life and struggles crossing the sea. I think it's in those deepest, darkest experiences where we can really come to know more than anywhere else of God's goodness that he hasn't forsaken us, that we are part of a covenant connection with him. We became acquainted with God in our extremities. But what I like about that is it's another journey. There's the Exodus journey, of course, that they're going to refer to here. And then there's kind of our own Exodus and the restoration of crossing the plains.

And all of these scriptural journeys may have been in their minds as they were on their own. It was Francis Webster, part of the Martin Handcart Company. The price we paid to become acquainted with God was a privilege to pay, and I am thankful that I was privileged to be in the Martin Handcart Company. Beautiful. Here we go on this journey. We've got food. We've got hope again. So what's our response? Bottom of verse 32, it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord and did give thanks unto him. And that's wonderful, but it's kind of this reactionary way to live life. When all is good, then I'll give thanks to God and wait because it's just two verses later when all of a sudden Ishmael dies,

Nahom, and their mourning exceedingly as they bury him, it's just fascinating as you watch them complaining and murmuring against their father in verse 36 and against Nephi, and almost as if they're blaming him for Ishmael's death, and their mourning and their complaining about their poor wives having lost their father, with no acknowledgement that Nephi lost his father-in-law that day too. His wife is in warning as well. And John, you mentioned earlier this verse where they're saying, well, let's kill our father and our brother. I have to just pause here because I've heard a lot of people teach, even in church settings, that they judge Nephi harshly for writing this story this way. And they say, well, reality is, we can relate a lot better to layman and Lemuel. And I

just have to say, tap the brakes, push pause. When's the last time that when there was a death in the family, you said, we feel so bad about losing our father-in-law that the way we're going to console ourselves is let's kill our own dad and our brother, then we'll somehow feel better. It will feel better. Honestly, I don't know that we can say, oh, I could relate to Layman and Lemuel better than Nephi. They're hardcore. This isn't just garden variety struggle and wrestle. They're really having a hard time. They are getting more evil as this journey goes on. Couldn't Nephi at some point have said, you guys are right, I'll take care of dad. He's a visionary man. Why don't you guys just go back?

Especially after he sees in vision as you alluded to that layman alumnus posterity will one day kill his. Wouldn't you at that point say, you guys are right, go back. I'll take care of mom and dad. And here's this interesting thing that we sometimes have talked about. Maybe Nephi was trying so hard to keep the family together.

Amen to that. Family matters. Tyler, I've noticed throughout this whole story, they've hit these incredible difficulties. I like that you talked about initiative. I'm going to act. I broke my bow. I'm gonna make a new one I like that he said I'm gonna make an arrow. That's quite a bit of confidence, right? Like I'm not gonna make arrows

I only need one I'll be fine. Yeah, David had five stones, but Nephaz like I just yeah Okay with one and then you have the daughters of Ishmael on the other side which look at verse 35 Then you have the daughters of Ishmael on the other side, which look at verse 35. They did mourn exceedingly because of the loss of their father. That is okay. There's nothing wrong. I mean, there is a time to mourn and we should mourn. The Lord says mourn for them that die. But they don't put any boundaries on that mourning and pretty soon they add to it. Let's talk about our afflictions in the wilderness. And now let's get mad at Lehi. And then they start predicting the future.

Our father is dead. We have wandered much in the wilderness. We have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst and fatigue. And after all these things, we must perish in the wilderness with hunger. Not only are they struggling with their present trials, they are bringing up every other trial they've ever had, and now they're predicting the future. It seems they're, I don't want to say a

victim to their circumstances, but their initiative could be, it's okay to mourn for this, but I'm not going to let that cloud every other good thing that's ever happened and or may happen. Does that make sense? That's powerful because it's so applicable to us because how easy is it to get in a group of people where you start commiserating about what's wrong? with a family or a ward or an elder's quorum or a Mission companionship whatever it may be whatever setting how easy it is to point out and then start piling on all the bad. And like you said, Hank, it then starts going well beyond the scope of what is appropriate mourning for a situation involving loss or struggle. And it literally swallows up this feeling of empowerment or agency to be a part of a solution because we're so focused on pointing out the struggles and the problems And then we start predicting the future now terrible. It's going to be that doesn't ever happen

They don't perish in the wilderness with hunger. So now they're suffering for trials that they're never gonna experience What does that person say that he who worries about calamities suffers them twice over? he who worries about calamities suffers them twice over. And then if it happens, they've suffered it twice. But I think what you're saying leads perfectly to these contrasting reactions to the same circumstances coming up in 1st Nephi 17. The same families, the same father, same mother, same situation, but they are experiencing it totally differently. And it makes us think, no, no, this is bad. This is a bad situation. Well, maybe it's not as bad as you think because someone else experienced that

exact same thing and it wasn't as bad to them. Yet the circumstances are exactly the same. How do we as Latter-day Saints see that it might be us? We might be part of the problem in the way the lens we have on. That is such a beautiful concept. We already kind of touched on it earlier. It's that concept that Ari Berman, the president of Yeshiva University, shared at BYU in a forum, that the difference between a covenantal relationship versus a transactional relationship, if we approach our connection with God in a transactional way, like those on the side that

you're describing, who they go through the same experiences and they walk out bitter, angry, frustrated, murmuring, it's because they're seeing God in a transactional way, as if we say, look, God, I'll pay my tithing, I'll go to church, I'll read my scriptures, I'll say my prayers, but you better in exchange give me X, Y, and Z, and I want it on this day in this proportion and this is the how. And when it doesn't happen, then we get bitter and say, well, fine, then I'm not going to pay my tithing anymore, I'm not going to go to church anymore. That kind of a relationship, that transactional view of God, is what you see happening here, versus the contrast that you also described, where you say, I trust that thou art the most powerful, all-knowing being in all of the universe. I trust that you love me. You have my best interest

in mind. You know my future way better than I could ever hope to know it, and you know what I need now more than I could ever hope to know what I need. I'm just going to trust, and I'm going to move forward in faith, that regardless of what's happening, if I keep my focus, as President Nielsen has said, if I keep my focus fixed on Jesus Christ and I trust Him completely, I give my life to Him, then it really doesn't matter what happens, what external calamities or struggles occur. They all become wilderness journeys to come to know God better, to know myself better, to know my loved ones better, and to grow through them rather than just murmur through them and grumble through them or just go through them.

Because they will pass. It came to pass. Everything in the Book of Mormon comes to pass, including trials. But are we left better people because we passed through them? This is the real question. So good. I don't like that you're telling me that the responsibility is on me. I want it to be on someone else. I want it to be on the Lord. I want it to be on my peers, my circumstances. That's more comfortable. But when it's on me, then that's actually very empowering. I have the power to change my circumstances or to seal my trials as blessings. I found it fun to just put these two sets of verses side by side, 17, 2, and 3. So Nephi describes the wilderness. So great were the blessings

of the Lord upon us. We did live upon raw meat in the wilderness. Our women gave plenty of suck for their children. They were strong. Go down to verse 3. If it so be the children of men, keep the commandments of God. He nourishes them. He strengthens them and he provides means for them just like he did for us. Describing the exact same experience, go over to verses 20 and 21. And you've got laymen. Now, you guys, you're going to have to put up with me here because I have four boys at home. So when I read scriptures, I have to do a

lot of voices, keep everybody interested. So this is laymen. He says, Thou art like unto our Father. My kids laugh at that. And I always say, well, he's a smoker. Thou art like unto our Father led away by the foolish imaginations of his heart. He's led us out of Jerusalem. We have wandered in the wilderness these many years. Our women have toiled, being big with child. They have suffered in the wilderness. And then he says something not so romantic about his wife. It would have been better that they had died. Before they came out of Jerusalem, then to have suffered these afflictions. Verse 21, we have wandered and suffered in the wilderness. We could have enjoyed our possessions.

We could have been happy. As a teacher, you might just put those two sets of verses side by side and say, what do we learn? It's a very obvious striking difference that two people can have the exact same experience, yet see them totally differently. That is beautiful. I've never seen that beautiful juxtaposition between the two. I'm going to quote you on that one. Here's Nephi in verse 1 saying, We are hip-deep in affliction. We did wade through affliction in the wilderness, but the very next verse, and so great were the blessings of the Lord upon us, that while we did live upon our raw meat, and that's gross, in the wilderness, and to see the way he's looking at that same thing is,

it's empowering to think it's how you're going to look at this. There's a way to look at this and to see blessings in it. So, I've heard somebody say, we have to learn to see the message in our misfortune, which I thought is a nice, alliterative way to say it. Pete Slauson Tyler, how do you do that? How do you try to see the positive in what can be a painful thing? Tyler Buehler I wish I had a really good answer for you. I don't. They're a little line upon line, and I have a hard time learning that lesson, and so the Lord allows me to keep retaking that course over and over and

over again. Eventually, I hope to be able to pass it so I can move on in the curriculum, because I still wrestle with that. There's still times when I find myself murmuring, and then I can hear President Holland's voice, something along the lines of, there's no problem that can't be made worse by murmuring about it. Tyler, I'm so glad you brought that quote. I brought it as well for this lesson. It's from the Tongue of Angels, April 2007, Elder Holland.

And I remember where I was when I laughed at the full paragraph here, Tyler. He says, I have often thought that Nephites being bound with cords and beaten by rods must have been more tolerable to him than listening to Laman and Lemuel's constant murmuring. Surely he must have said at least once, hit me one more time. I can still hear you. Yes, life has its problems. And yes, there are negative things to face, but please accept one of Elder Holland's maxims for living. No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse. Sometimes, I think it's maybe true to say that some on this journey were having a bad attitude. But scripturally speaking, they knew not the

dealings of that God who had created them. It was more than just a bad attitude. It was a testimony issue. It was 1st Nephi 2-12. They knew not the dealings of God who had created them. And that makes it more of an, oh, I need to learn the dealings of that God who has created me. I need to know what he's like. I need to know the end game here that like 2nd Nephi

26, he'd do with anything save it be for the benefit of the world. When I know that God, I can see great blessings while we're living on our raw meat. Raw love it Love it. My wife is like a man. It's awesome. They became even likened to the men It's in chapter 17 verse 2. Maybe you're right. Maybe this is his testimony his Experiences with God have made it where he's not actually choosing to see bad things as good. He sees good things He genuinely doesn't say, oh, this is bad, but I'm going to make it seem good. He says, no, this is actually good. Inside of him, something has happened where he sees wisdom in God in trials. This is easier said than done. Which is what you see reflected all the time in our prophets and in the leaders of our church. At a

general level, you see this not an optimist to an extreme situation, but a realist who, when they talk, they acknowledge their struggles, their wrestles, but God is at the helm. It's going to turn out we know who wins. Stay the course. It's going to be okay. That steadiness, that quiet steadiness. It's going to be okay. That steadiness, that quiet steadiness. When Elder Dalene Chokes was first the president of BYU, he gave a talk and my jaw just dropped. When I heard him talk about his childhood and he said, my father passed away before he was ever able to repay his medical school dad, I think it was. And he said, I went through a period when I was the dumbest boy in the room. And I remember having other students throw rocks at me and call me stupid because I couldn't do math. I was like,

what? Elder Oaks? All of us go through hard things. I love to share that with my students because it's not something you would have seen. You would have expected. But if you know the dealings of that God who has created you, boy, that's power for getting through these wildernesses that we've got. Tyler, before we move on to the boat, can I just ask you a question? There's people listening who are struggling and they think, guys, I would love to do that. I would love to have the attitude you're talking about. Is there something wrong with me that I'm not optimistic about this painful, terrible thing that I'm going through? I'm sure both of you would agree when you really get to know someone, you realize most people are facing really difficult, personal, intimate problems that they really don't share.

personal intimate problems that they really don't share. Before we go on, let's speak to those people who are maybe listening on their commute saying, why can't I do this? Why can't I have the Nephi attitude? Great question. I think at the core, the answer is stop trying to be your own savior. Stop trying to fix it. I mean, you have to work. There are certain things you just have to do. But at the core, it's a mindset thing to literally plead with heaven to help us figure out how to better drop our burdens at the feet of the Savior and say, walk with me, please. You've invited me to walk with Theon In Scripture. I want that. I want thee to be my God. I want to be thy son or thy daughter, but I'm not very good at it. Please be patient with me as I try to figure out how to rely more on thee as I work harder,

but I'm going to stop trying to be my savior. I'm going to stop trying to fix all of my problems and make my life perfect and recognize that this messy, muddy mortality is filled with opportunities to build those relationships and those connections with the Savior. It's like President Freeman in general conference. I loved her concept when she talked about the covenant path isn't just about steps, it's not just about things you have to do, it's about building a relationship with Christ. So my best response to your question, Hank, is stop focusing on the problems and put more time, energy, and effort and focus on that covenant connection with Christ. Really try to build a stronger relationship with God, with Jesus Christ,

and think about what you do with relationships in a human context. What do you do to build that relationship? What do you put into that? Maybe we could do more of that in our connection with Christ. And I think that's where we're going to find the peace. That's where we're going to find the solutions and the hope and the magnification of my meager efforts, whether it's 16 smooth transparent stones that aren't shining at all, or I've never built a ship, or you want me to go in and tell those people to repent, they've already kicked me out, meaning the Book of Mormon is just dripping with examples of people who had to do little efforts and Rely on God to make those efforts shine. Yeah, I'm reminded of our episode on Job. Do you remember this John?

Where Job says though he slay me God I Will trust him amen and I was thinking about that as Tyler was talking because it was an issue of loyalty He was loyal to Christ and his covenants. It wasn't transactional It was a relationship where there's a loyalty. I'm looking right now at 17 verse 14 there were the Lord said you shall know that I the Lord am God and that I the Lord did deliver you and Wants us to get to that point where I can't do this myself. Newsflash, he never intended for you to do it yourself. That's not part of the plan. This journey, we said this earlier, Hank, on another recording, but you got to go through the wilderness before you get to the Promised Land. I hope the people that you mentioned,

Hank, will be patient with themselves in their wilderness because for some of us it takes us a while to get to that point. I think about Moroni. You know what? I'm gonna make an end of speaking concerning this people. I am Moroni. I am a son of Mormon.

I'm gonna finish this record. And he gets to this point where I'm done talking about the past and I'm going to look forward, but maybe it took him a while. And it did. I have no or my father's been killed in battle. I don't know. And it took him a minute to get to that point where, okay, I'm done talking about the past. Oh, I hope people can be patient if they're still in that, trying to figure it out mode with themselves. And you both might remember that the church made what was called mountains to

climb. If I remember, great thing you could show your family this week or show your class. President Irene, that talk says the particle of faith that you have, just that little bit of faith, most precious in which you should protect and use to whatever extent you can is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. He talks about a woman he visited with who received the miracle of sufficient strength to endure unimaginable losses with just the simple capacity to repeat endlessly the words, I know that my Redeemer lives.

He goes on later in the talk to say, It is never too late to strengthen the foundation of faith. There is always time. With faith in the Savior, you can repent and plead for forgiveness. There is someone you can forgive. There is someone you can thank. There is someone you can serve and lift. You can do it wherever you are, and however alone and deserted you may feel.

I cannot promise an end to your adversity in this life. I cannot assure you that your trials will seem to you to be only for a moment. And then this great thought that I've repeated in my mind a few times throughout my life, if we have faith in Jesus Christ, the hardest, as well as the easiest times in life, can be a blessing. Again, mountains to climb, April 2012. Love that talk. Yeah, before we leave the story of Ishmael, there's just a little verse that's kind of subtle, but at 1st Nephi 1634, came to pass that Ishmael died and was buried in the place Which was called Nehum and it doesn't say a place that like we named

Shazer or we called this river layman This is a place which was called Nehum and I think it was you Nibley that said look in the old world for Evidences is there a place called Nehum? Is it where it ought to be and Is it where it ought to be? And is it when it ought to be? And what's the answer to that, guys? The answer is remarkably yes on all of those counts. John, our friend, Dan Peterson, he said this about Nahom.

He says, the finding of Nahom strikes me as a tremendously significant discovery. To find it in the right location for the right time is a bullseye from the book. He says the idea that Joseph Smith was really well versed on pre-Islamic Arabian geography seems to me to be so ludicrous as to be beyond belief. Doesn't that sound like Dan? That's Dan Peterson. Love it. And one of the things that's coming up, how is there a land of bountiful where there's fresh water and hardwood trees and dates, fruit on the Arabian Peninsula?

And you mentioned Google Earth. It's kind of fun to go nearly eastward from Nahom and go, oh, look at all that green right there. Where did that come from? Right place, right time. Yeah, right there on the ocean from property. I'm reminded of what John Hilton told us. These little, wow, Joseph Smithcher got lucky there. Those little moments, those are fun. However, that's not where the power of the Book of

Mormon is. So I wouldn't over-emphasize those as a teacher in my seminary class or in my Gospel Doctrine class. I wouldn't overemphasize this. Look, I can prove this to you. They're fun. They're interesting to talk about. But, Tyler, what would you say? That's not where we spend our time. I totally, totally agree with you. I mean, if Laman and Lemuel can see an angel and they heard the voice of the Lord, they're at the end of chapter 16, verse 39, they've seen miracle after miracle after miracle, physical manifestations, proofs, if you will, and they're still struggling to believe. Our job isn't to convince people that the book is true. Our job is to help them dive in and discover their connection with Christ and be

converted to the Lord through a study of the truthfulness of the gospel, which can only be brought to their soul, to their mind and their heart by the power of the Holy Ghost, not by the convincing arguments and archaeological evidences that we can show. That's not going to get anyone through the temptations that are coming this week. I'm 100% on board, Tyler. Thank you for that. We've made it through the wilderness. We're debountiful. And you would think we made it, we could stay here forever. Yet there's a lot more to come.

This is a beautiful reminder to us that if we're not careful, we will mistake these byways or these incredible locations like bountiful. It's oceanfront property. It's got all the fruits we could want. Why not just set up our civilization here? Why keep going? It reminds me of the concept that C.S. Lewis also shared of, if we're not careful, we'll start treating this earth as the end-albiol. Those aren't his words. I'm paraphrasing here. From an earthly perspective, you could say, hey, it's bountiful. This is the perfect place. But the reality is, God has so much more in store to give this group. They don't even know the extent of the lands and the fruit and the flowers and all of the amazing things that they're going to get to experience in the Promised Land after having given up all of their gold, silver, precious things in their house and their land of inheritance in Jerusalem.

It's like what they sacrificed is nothing compared to what he has in store for them, and what he has in store for them is not bountiful. It's just a staging area for that next phase, which involves crossing the ocean. So I love the fact that he commands Nephi to get up into the mountain, which incidentally is kind of fascinating because it's the first time in the story where a command that is for the whole group has not come to Father Lehi. It comes to Nephi. I've wondered if the Lord is still stretching and working with Lehi in this moment. What a conversation that would have been that afternoon or evening whenever Nephi comes down off the mountain and says, hey dad, can we talk? I was up on the mountain and the Lord

commanded me to build a ship. I don't know, I could be totally wrong, but I wonder if Lehi has this moment of I need to keep working on repenting or maybe not. Maybe there was a totally different reason. That's possible as well. But the cool part here is the next command that comes to the whole group is going to come to Father Lehi again to get the whole group to go on the ship. So it's not like we've disowned Lehi and his prophetic ship is now sailed. That's not the case. It just feels like this temporary moment of, okay, Nephi, this one's for you for whatever reason. I don't know, we're guessing at what some of those reasons might be. But he goes up in that command to build the ship. Again, it would have been very easy from a mortal perspective to say, what are you talking

about? I am not Nephi the shipbuilder. I wasn't raised near the seacoast. I don't know this industry. I don't know how to do this. And it would be so easy to complain about why are you asking me to do this impossible task? And yet, what do we see from Nephi? His first question is, well, where do I go to find ore to make some tools? I know I'm going to need tools, and again, I think Nephi's relying on that vision. He knows they're going to get to the Promised Land, and now the Lord commands him to build a ship. He's like, okay, well, this is the way it's going to happen. You can imagine his frustration there when he goes back and says to the group of brothers,

all right, we need to build a ship to cross these waters and then to hear their response. That had to be, for most of us, that would be very deflating. But Nephi goes with it, and he spends the rest of chapter 17 trying to shore up their assurance level of faith that God is well able to help us build a ship. I know we've never done it before, but we're going to do it because we're not alone. And I love that this is one of my favorite parts of First Nephi because you think of the English word ship, how many of our words in our language end with ship, and how often God asks us to build either a relationship or scholarship or friendship or companions, or fill in the blank. You can Google this, there are hundreds of English words that end in ship. And often, we've never had a ton of experience in building those particular kinds of ships. We watch as Nephi, what he does here through 17,

to shore up his brother's confidence and faith, and then 18, where they actually build the ship in verse 1, 2, and 3, and what Nephi does to accomplish that. It's this beautiful template, this beautiful blueprint for us building our discipleship, or our worship, or whatever ship we're working on. I love this section of the story A championship I Want to throw something out just in the beginning here that my brother-in-law taught me his name is Derek booth He's a bishop out in Castle Rock, Colorado

He was called into a well who we call it Brick Ship? He had never been Bishop before. We talked about this a little bit. Notice he said that Nephi doesn't know how to build a ship, but he doesn't know how to work with metal. That's where he goes first. I don't know how to do this. I'll start with what I know. It was a great example to me when he was called as Bishop. He said, I don't know how to be bishop, but I'll start with what I know.

He had taught the early morning seminary for the steak for four or five years. He said, well, I'll start with that. So he showed up at seminary the Monday morning after being called his bishop and met with all the youth and just said hi and chatted with them for a few minutes. I just loved that. I don't know how to do this whole thing, but I do know some things. I'll start with what I know,

and I'm sure I can figure the rest out. I've never forgotten that when I start out a calling. Well, I don't know how to do this whole calling, but I'll start with what I know. Of all their ships, you could call it a bishop. You could just spell it wrong. Hank, that reminds me of, we can't feed these 5,000 people, and what does Jesus say? We'll bring what you have. I'll magnify what you have. Ether, the stones.

Yeah, exactly. I think the point with every single one of these stories is if the struggle comes when we put the focus on self, when we put the focus on me, what I'm doing, because then we see ourselves as the one who's actually doing it, as opposed to being an instrument in the hands of the true healer, or artist, or chef, or the one who's really doing the work through us. It's liberating to not feel so responsible for saving everybody and just saying, look, I'm going to begin with what I know, and I'll do that, magnify those efforts, and teach me along the way. And I don't think that Nephi walked down from the mountain that first day with a big stack of blueprints from building the hole all the way up to putting the finishing touches on the sails. I think he

just walked down knowing where to go to find Orr to start building some tools. And then he had to go up to the Mount Offed in chapter 18 frequently to get the next set of instructions. Do you know what I love what you said there, Tyler, was about leaving your bountifuls. I've never thought of that before, but we all understand what the Lord means when he says leave Babylon. But leaving your bountiful, ooh, that's tough. And it was S. Michael Wilcox who talks about the Lord sometimes calls us when the nets are full. Ooh, that's when it's tough. People in my own ward, they just bought a house

and got called on a mission and asking you to leave when the nets are full. Maybe they got kind of comfortable here in bountiful and nope, you gotta leave your bountifuls too. That's an interesting thought. Tyler, Lest John and I keep practicing one-upmanship. We're going to let you take ownership here of this story. Of this podcast ship. Yes. You're making waves. Yeah. So let's enhance our kinship and move forward. You're leaving me in your wake at this point.

So Tyler, continue on. What happens next? I think there's some really powerful principles here in the actual process of building the ship in chapter 18, verse 1, 2, and 3, because 17 was all about getting his brothers engaged in helping him build it. Because quite frankly, I think Nephi realizes, I can't do this alone. One man cannot build this ship, even with the Lord's directions here. He gets the help in place, and then chapter 18 opens with him saying, so notice how he starts, it came to pass that they did worship, There you go again, the Lord, and did go forth with me. And we did work timbers of curious workmanship. Remember the Lea Honah was described as a curious ball of

workmanship. Here it's curious workmanship again. For fun, you could look up Webster's 1828 Dictionary and look up the word curious and see what it meant in 1828. And then notice this next part. It's beautiful. The Lord did show me from time to time. He didn't just tell me, he showed me from time to time. So it didn't come in a blast. It wasn't a big binder with all the blueprints. After what manner I should work the timbers of the ship? Now, I mean, if I did not work the timbers after the manner which was learned by men, neither did I build the ship after the manner of men, but I did build it after the manner which the Lord had shown unto me, wherefore it was not after the manner of men. He uses that phrase after the manner so many times

in that verse, and the verse right before it, that he's making a very clear point in driving at home with whatever ship you're building, those relationships, that discipleship. The world will have plenty to tell you about how to do that. You can Google any of those ships, and the world will have all kinds of experts out there telling you what to do and how to do it and when to do it and where to do it. I love this, that Nephi is ascending into the Mount often, verse 3, and I did pray often unto the Lord, wherefore the Lord showed unto me great things. That pattern is so applicable and so doable for us today, if we'll just trust the process of covenant discipleship. We keep going to church every week. We keep reading our scriptures

every day. We keep saying our prayers. We keep fasting every month. We keep worshiping at the temple. We ascend the mountain often, and as President Nielsen has said, we expect miracles. We're not just jumping through hoops in a transactional relationship saying, well, I did this, now you're going to give this to me. We do this because we love God and we want to be on his errand and we want to know what his errand is. We know that he's going to show us from time to time what those next steps are, and sometimes he won't give us the next step, and we'll have to kind of probe our way forward in absolute faith in the dark, but the promise is sure. The light will move. We'll see. It'll come. I just love that these three verses as a blueprint for discipleship

and how to build that converting relationship with God. He says, I'm not going to do this the way others might do this. I'm going to do this the Lord's way. It's going to look different than something you might see typically or usually. It's a more excellent way. Before we leave chapter 17, it's always fun to look at 1 Nephi chapter 1 verse 1, which we all know by heart, where Nephi says, having been highly favored the Lord, and I always ask my students, what? God has favorites, because there's something unsettling about that. But in 1st Nephi 1735, we kind of have this, oh, okay, verse. The Lord has steameth all flesh in one.

He that is righteous is favored of God. In the Book of Mormon, we're going to have Lamanites and Lemulites and Nephites and Jacobites, but we can choose to be favorites. If you want to be a favorite, that is a choice that you make. That's not an arbitrary thing. I like that. Is that workers at Falts Doctrine? That's beautiful. I think you're right on there.

Tyler, have we completed the ship? We're ready to get... I don't know if I'd trust a boat I built myself. Oh man, I know. Never having built a boat before? Yeah. But again, Nephi's seen in vision. He knows they're not gonna go down. He knows they're gonna get there.

And there's that quiet, steady confidence that comes with prophetic vision. Coming up in part two of this episode. This is one of those beautiful moments in Isaiah as this Hebrew poet where he doesn't just speak in Greek literal terms. He speaks in this Hebrew symbolism. He's painting a picture and you can almost picture him

with stylus in hand, stroking his chin saying, okay, what is the most dependent relationship I could think of?