Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - Doctrine & Covenants 51-57 Part 1 • Sister Emily Utt • May 26 - June 1 • Come Follow Me

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

What if building Zion isn't about sacrifice alone, but about offering your strengths to lift others? Sister Emily Utt examines how the Lord gathered Saints from all walks of life to Kirtland—uniting their education, talents, and willingness to consecrate—in order to help build a Zion community.SHOW NOTES/TRANSCRIPTSEnglish: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC222ENFrench: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC222FRGerman: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC222DEPortuguese: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC222PTSpanish: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC222ESYOUTUBEhttps://youtu.be/_Fwa4LqRBTUALL EPISODES/SHOW NOTESfollowHIM website: https://www.followHIMpodcast.comFREE PDF DOWNLOADS OF followHIM QUOTE BOOKSNew Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastNTBookOld Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastOTBookWEEKLY NEWSLETTERhttps://tinyurl.com/followHIMnewsletterSOCIAL MEDIAInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followHIMpodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastTIMECODE00:00 - Part 1 - Sister Emily Utt05:08 John Taylor’s statement about possessing lands again06:51 Emily Utt’s bio09:46 Come, Follow Me Manual14:34 The Knight family and Colesville16:33 A historian’s view of the upcoming building of Zion22:11 What happens in Kirtland, Ohio, USA24:23 What is humble and contrite?28:20 Zion includes those that build and edify others29:29 A  poem found in the walls of the St. George Temple32:39 Lehman Copley’s farm34:24 Brigham Young’s view of Zion38:14 D&C 51:9 - Seek for unity41:16 Missionaries being sent to Missouri44:15 Preach on the way48:41 Lesser known people54:24 Reynolds Cahoon56:08 What historical content is available59:06 What do clerks and printers have to do with Zion?1:02:40 Education’s importance in Zion1:05:39 The Lord values every talent and skill1:09:35 End of Part 1 - Sister Emily UttThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsAmelia Kabwika: Portuguese TranscriptsHeather Barlow: Communications DirectorIride Gonzalez: Social Media, Graphic Design"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

Coming up in this episode on Follow Him. For me as a college student, it was really meaningful because I saw everybody around me having these grand ideas. You know, the only way to be successful in life is if you're a doctor or a lawyer or I'm going to start a tech company and I'm going to change the world. Me, little history major, I'm like, I'm going to go take my Shakespeare comedy class now, I don't know. I felt such weight and pressure and guilt because I wasn't interested in that same track. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith. I am your host. I'm here with my faithful, just, and wise co-host. John, by the way, John, that's section 51 verse 19. Whoso is found a faithful, just, and wise steward, which also means co-host, shall enter into the joy of his Lord and shall

inherit eternal life. How do you feel? I feel oh out of three, but let's keep going. These are aspirations, right? Yeah. One day we're going to compile a list of all these adjectives for you. You can look at them every day. Here's your bar. John Emily Ut comes highly recommended by the other historians who work for the church. I've had many say, you haven't had Emily Ut on your podcast yet. What are you doing? Make sure you get Emily. We are in sections 51 through 57 today. John, when you think of the move to Kirtland and all that happens there, we're there for seven years, eight years almost. What do you think of when you think of Kirtland, Ohio?

I think of Carl Anderson. I think of America's sacred ground, this video that BYU TV made. I think of Steve Young's t-shirt and how a Super Bowl MVP can move a road, which is a fascinating story. Another list of difficulties for the saints is, okay, move to the Ohio, and as soon as they do, okay, but actually Zion's going to be over there. The back and forth of that, the difficulties in that. Emily, when you think of Kirtland, Ohio, I'm guessing you've been there a few times.

What comes to mind? Tell us about how you feel about Kirtland, Ohio. I also think of Carl Anderson. Carl was my institute teacher in no way. As an undergraduate. When I think of Ohio, I think of a place that sets us on the foundation of who we are as people and as saints. I think of this place where we are just figuring out what in the world we're doing. What does it mean to become the children of God? I think of Ohio and I think of a place that's going to set me on the path and that's going to give me the foundation to build something that will last for eternity. I think of covenant, I think of priesthood, I think of God's kingdom rolling forth on the earth. I also think of really good ice cream and pierogies,

all of the things you can get in Cleveland. Yeah, that's so wonderful and so much has changed in the last year for Kirtland, Ohio. Yeah, it's been a crazy year in Kirtland with the acquisition of the Kirtland Temple and other historic properties. Any place where God speaks to his people and where that people become better, become sacred. So you walk the streets of Kirtland, there's a holiness there. You're watching people trying and failing and trying again and failing again and having no idea what's going on, but they're going to keep trying. They're going to keep trying and failing and trying again and failing again and having no idea what's going on but they're gonna keep trying. They're gonna keep trying and they're so new. For anyone listening, who's Carl Anderson? In our world we call

him Mr. Kirtland. Mr. Kirtland. Yeah, he's lived in Kirtland and I think he knows every square foot of it. Right behind him is Joe Jackson. I think both of them would say, look, the church was organized in New York, but it was restored in Ohio. And of course, the jewel of Kirtland is that Kirtland Temple. And it's not perfect. That's the thing I love about it. It's not a perfect building. When you visit it, you go, wow, how is this thing still standing? I love how the Lord says, I accept it. It's not perfect, but I accept it. And I think of myself, Hank, you're not perfect, but I accept you. Yeah, I think about the enthusiasm they had when they built Kirtland. You have a bunch of people, some of them are a little bit older, they're a little more established,

they're storekeepers, they have some cash, but you also have a lot of young kids who have no idea what they're doing. They've never built a house, let alone a house of the Lord. I walk into any of our sites really in Kirtland, especially in the temple, and I can see how little they actually knew, and I can see the enthusiasm with which they went and did it anyway. It's literally in the floorboards. And it's so applicable. I want to read you both something that I haven't read on the show before. When the church acquired the Kirtland Temple, I immediately talked to my friend Alex Baa, who wasn't as surprised as I was. he said, well, I kind of knew what was coming. He sent me a quote from 1882.

This is John Taylor. He said, as a people or community, we can abide our time, but I will say to you, Latter-day Saints, that there is nothing of which you have been despoiled by oppressive acts or mobocratic rule, but that you will again possess or your children after you. Your rights in Ohio, your rights in Jackson, Clay, Caldwell, and Davies Counties in Missouri will yet be restored to you.

Your possessions of which you have been fraudulently despoiled in Missouri and Illinois, you will again possess. And that without force or fraud or violence. Then this, listen to this, the Lord has a way of his own in regulating such matters. There's almost like an Old Testament component to that, that God will always redeem his people. No matter how long we wander in the wilderness, no matter if our lands are taken, God's covenant is always going to win. It will win out. He will always redeem his people. I really thought it was April Fools when one of

my students came up and said, hey look at my phone, guess what just happened? No way. I almost fainted when I found out. I was lying flat on the floor going, no way, this can't happen. I love it. John, Emily has never joined us before, shockingly to the historians of the church, Emily has never joined us before. So let's introduce her to the Follow Him audience. Yeah, I know that we're both excited about having Emily on because she is a historic sites curator. We've seen some of those historic sites and we love seeing those historic sites and she's a curator there for the church history department.

And for 20 years, she has been involved in preserving and sharing sacred places of the global church, including temples, meeting houses and historic sites as we've just talked about. Recently her preservation work has taken place at the Manti Utah Temple, Logan Utah Tabernacles, those early tabernacles are just beautiful, the Kirtland Temple we just talked about, the Beehive House, she holds a bachelor's in history and religion from Case Western Reserve University and a master's in historic preservation from Goucher College. Did I say that right, Goucher?

You said that right. Yeah, go Gouchers, okay? I mean, what's the mascot? What are they? Gophers. The Gophers. Go Goucher Gophers. The mascot is fear the Gopher. Okay. We're going to feel the gopher influence today. This is great.

When she isn't in a hard hat and work boots at a construction site, I love this. You'll find her making fancy meals on backpacking trips. How do you do that? This is a whole other topic. Serving as a ward organist. And I love this part, trying to find room in her house for yet another bookcase. Yes, I totally get that. What a fun, interesting, unique background. We're so excited to talk to you about how the physical objects you've seen relate to the spiritual things that are happening.

Thank you, Emily, for joining us today. Any chance I have to talk about sacred place, I'm going to do it. This is great. Emily, without revealing too much that you can't reveal, tell us what you're working on now. What's the future for Sites here in the next few years? The future for Sites is to help people connect. We are coming up on some major anniversaries in

the next decade, all the way from the organization of the church to the dedication of the Kirtland Temple. We're working on projects that are going to help people connect in more powerful ways to those early events. So we're working on a project right now with the Hill Cumorah, getting ready for the events of the Book of Mormon in the next few years. We're talking about some work in Missouri with everything between Far West and Liberty and Independence. We're studying the Kirtland Temple. A year ago, this wasn't on our radar and now we're trying to figure out what the next 10 years of that building is going to look like. It's going to be great. Emily, we are in sections 51 through 57. I'm going to read from the Come

Follow Me manual and then John and I are just excited to learn from you. I'm sure our listeners are as well. Here's how the manual begins. For church members in the 1830s, gathering the saints and building the city of Zion were spiritual as well as temporal labors with many practical matters to address. Someone needed to buy land where the saints could settle. Someone needed to print books and other publications. And someone needed to run a store to provide goods for people in Zion. In the revelations recorded in sections 51-57, the Lord appointed and instructed people to handle these tasks. But while skills and such things are needed in Zion, these revelations also teach that the Lord desires His saints to become spiritually worthy to be a faithful, a just, and a wise steward or co-host.

Good job, John. Having a contrite spirit, standing fast in our appointed responsibilities. If we can do that, regardless of our temporal skills, the Lord can use us to build Zion. I've noticed this theme is becoming stronger and stronger in the Doctrine and Covenants, building Zion. So, Emily, how do you want to start this? Do we need to go back and get some background? Let's get some background.

I think about this brand new fledgling church. They come out of New York, there's a couple hundred members, and the first missionary effort takes them through Ohio. Those first missionaries are on their way to Missouri to try to preach to the Indians. Because these are religious seeking kind of people who have probably bounced around between churches, some of them stop in to see their old minister in the Kirtland area. Now they're just having a conversation with old friends. Some of them get baptized very very quickly. They hear the missionaries teach and the next day they're in the water. Some of them get baptized very, very quickly. They hear the missionaries teach and the next day they're in the water.

Others of them are going to take a minute. In that group you have people like Edward Partridge and Sidney Rigdon. Edward and Sidney actually travel to New York to meet Joseph. They want to know, is this guy for real? They meet him and at the same time Joseph then has revelations and says go to the Ohio. What's so interesting for me is that there's this a utopian movement going on in the United States. Lots of people are joining utopian groups. You have the Shakers that are headquartered in the Cleveland area. Even down to like Isaac Morley and the group in Kirtland that are trying to live communally. It's happening a lot.

It's happening a lot. Everybody is doing this. I imagine some of them show up thinking, well, it's another utopian community and if I like this one better, I'll stick with this one. Joseph is always thinking bigger. Utopian community is one thing. That's fine. We're going for the kingdom of God. In these first months in Kirtland, it's really how do we build the kingdom of God? And you have a bunch of random people. You have farmers and hat makers and blacksmiths. all of these guys. Okay, kingdom of God, let's do this. No idea what that means. Yeah, a bunch of new people saying, let's go, let's move forward. You get guys in their 20s, you get guys in their 50s, this range of people who have never done this before,

they don't know how God speaks, but they're going to go anyway. Yeah. And Joseph Smith himself is what, 25? We can't forget that. Like, imagine Sidney Rigdon meeting him going, he's 25. Okay. And he's uneducated. So Sidney Rigdon is this polished, professional, very intelligent preacher who has studied the Bible, who knows a lot, who has thought deeply about theology. He is somehow convinced by this 25-year-old kid who just shows up and says, God speaks to me and I'm going to redo the entire theology of Christianity. Let's go. Yeah. Sidney Rigdon, I think think is 10, 15 years older than him.

And you're right. If you would say who's going to be the prophet, if you've just met the two, you'd be like, oh, it's got to be Sidney. And yet it's this 25 year old farmer, like you said, not fully educated. He's not dumb. He's a smart person, but just not educated. So on paper, he is not the person to lead a communal organization. He digs wells for a living.

Right. Makes barrels. You have other families. There's a branch of the church from Colesville, New York that has joined. They're led by a man named Joseph Knight, who's also a little older, a little wiser, who puts his own reputation on the line to join this church. He and all of the brand new Lyridae saints agree to follow Joseph, and the revelation calls them to Ohio. I went to school in Cleveland, and I'm from Utah. Why would I do that? And I write in the Doctrine and Covenants to go to the Ohio, I'm from Utah, why would I do that? And I read in the Doctrine and Covenants to go to the Ohio,

so God will endow you with power from on high. Doctrine and Covenants says to do it, so like in the scriptures and go to the Ohio. Yeah, go to the Ohio. It's so amazing to me, we talk about Joseph, not formally educated. The followers, these early ones, they were not just gullible fools, they were smart people. Why would they do that unless there's really a spiritual confirmation of what they're doing? And I think too, a personal striving. They're looking for something that's going to change their lives. Building Zion, building the Kingdom of God is not an easy proposition.

It will ask everything of you. Everything you've got. Everything you have. And moving is the easy part. Which is so hard. You're asked to change your very heart. Learning how to live together in peace and learning how to overcome selfishness and your own interest and thinking that you know more than this kid, that's the real point of Zion. When God says, build my kingdom, he doesn't mean until it's hard. He means build my kingdom, give me everything you have and then give a little more and fight through and push through.

When you are truly ready, God will redeem you. Yeah, wow. Emily, since we have you here and you're a historian for the church, let's take advantage of that. So the sections we're looking at are June and July of 1831. Let's pass that for just a second. Tell us what's going to happen in the next few years and then we'll come back. We move to Ohio and then what? Within a few weeks of moving to Ohio, God says, I am going to build a literal Zion, a literal New Jerusalem. The place, the center place. Kirtland is your temporary

stopping point. It will be a stake of Zion, but it is not the center place of Zion. Congratulations, some of you that just got to Ohio are now moving to Missouri. That is the place where God will come and he will greet his people at the second coming. So we need to go and get Zion ready, the physical Zion ready for God to come. And how far away is that compared to our move from New York to Ohio? This move is very different. The move from New York to Ohio, they have roads. Ohio they have roads. They have a canal. They have a boat. So when the saints move from New York to Ohio they take the Erie Canal to Lake Erie and then take a boat and then just walk the last few miles. When God says go to Missouri, he means good luck. Figure it out. There's no canal. If you can make it to a river, maybe hopefully there's a riverboat that will get you there

or maybe you'll have to build a boat or maybe you need a horse or maybe you can walk. Kirtland, there are settlements here. There are stores, there's a town, there are people. So Edward Partridge is living in Painesville. That's a settlement, that's a community. There's a village there. When they go to Missouri, there's an intersection. There is nothing. So you can imagine many of these saints like Edward Partridge is very prosperous. They're living in a fine big house. Their lives are fairly easy. And when God tells him to go to Missouri, he gives everything up.

And then he shows up in that town and it is lawless and frontier in the middle of nowhere. So imagine, now build a house, now they have to figure out where in the world are we going to get anything. I'm going to have to go another hundred miles back upriver to find glass through the windows. It's just a totally different land. The other challenge you have in Missouri is that it is a part of the country that's pretty unsettled. It's on the edge of the frontier. If you go further west, you're out of the country. You're in full Indian territory.

The only people that live further west from that are Indians or fur trappers. There's nothing out there. It's mountain men. It's unknown. Lewis and Clark just wrapped up. This is a new, new place. What's interesting about that then is that as they're building Zion, they're literally building a community. They're laying out streets, they're building this town. And then trouble starts because you now have hundreds of people who think and believe and act the same way, churning up in an area where there are a multitude of opinions and we immediately have conflict. In the years where we're in Kirtland and things are kind

of calm and we can build a temple and we can practice Zion there, in Missouri they are constantly on the move. They live in like four different places, just trying to find a place that is peaceful enough to build a home. Wow. And they happen at the same time? Yeah. You'll hear a lot in the next sections of the Doctrine and Covenants, Joseph Smith and other church leaders are traveling back and forth.

They're in Kirtland, they get a letter from Missouri, then they have to go to Missouri and deal with the issue. While they're in Missouri, they hear about an issue back home in Kirtland, they're just going back and forth. These revelations are happening while they're on the move. You'll notice in these sections, there's a gap of some time because it takes Joseph like three weeks to travel from Ohio to Missouri, which is what, a eight or nine hour drive now? Yeah. We do this in a day. For Joseph, this is three weeks. What do you do when you have two communities going at once? Yeah, and they're pretty far apart. They

can't email each other. They don't even have telegraph. This is horseback. This is steamboat. If you want an answer from Joseph Smith, it's gonna be months. Mm-hmm. If you write a letter. Yeah. We are so used to shooting off a message. We need an answer today. I think about somebody was mean to me at church today. I can go talk to my bishop right after church and get it sorted out. You can't do that in Missouri in 1831. You have to work through it. They're figuring it out. Wow. If I was looking at this almost like a visual, we have one line, New York, and then we split into two because we have two church centers, Ohio and Missouri, but then we all end up in

Missouri. We all end up in Missouri for just a few months. Okay, so what happens in Kirtland? The Saints build the temple in 1836 and dedicate that. By 1837 the church is starting to get involved a little bit more in domestic tax kinds of things. Joseph Smith starts a bank and then the panic of 1837 happens. The United States goes into a recession. Now church members who are entering the bank because Joseph Smith is the prophet and told them it's a good idea, they've now lost their money. It's not a safe place in Kirtland. So suddenly in 1837 and 1838 there is an immense season of saints leaving and some of those saints get pretty antagonistic about the church. Writing letters, publishing things in the newspaper, trying to convince people that

those Joseph followers are up to no good. They took my money, they forced me to move, how dare they. To relieve the tension, Joseph moves to Missouri and the saints that are staying faithful move with him. But that doesn't last long because he ends up in 1838-39 in Liberty Jail, because all the conflicts that are happening in Missouri are going very badly too. Tensions with the neighbors are rising. By 1839, all of those saints who had moved to Missouri are now picking up again and moving back east a little bit to Illinois.

So by 1839, they're in what would become Nauvoo. Emily, thank you. You walked us through Ohio to Nauvoo and gave us some things to look forward to. So now let's go back to these sections. We've been in Ohio just a few months. We've identified Zion. Can we hone in on the section 51, 52? Should we go there now? Let's do it. Okay. What I found really interesting as I studied these sections this time is this idea of how

in the world do we learn to live together. That was the topic of family night just the other night. How do we do this? So there are bits of this that are things we need to do internally to be called God's people. And then there are things we need to do externally to be called God's people. And I see in these sections that combination of both. A phrase that really stuck out to me this time, I didn't even go back and count, I should have, how many times the Lord commanded them to have a contrite spirit? It came up over and over and over again in almost every single one of these sections.

The only way this is going to work is if you are humble, contrite, and you listen to me. if you are humble, contrite, and you listen to me." Can we define contrite for those of us who are going, am I contrite? I actually got back into the Hebrew. Okay. Contrite is the same word used in Isaiah 53 talking about Christ, for he was bruised for our iniquities, is the same word as contrite. A contrite heart is one that is bruised. It is humbled. It knows that the only strength and power I have is from God. A contrite heart to me is a constantly repentant heart. A heart that is always turning to God, always

changing, always looking at God, what else do you want from me? For me a contrite heart is a heart that's trying to become like Christ's heart, always seeking to do the will of God. I remember reading that the idea of contrition is like being crushed. That idea appears so often, the broken heart, the contrite spirit, that the sacrifice God requires is a broken heart and contrite spirit. I love what you said, Emily. This will work if you go in thinking, I'm ambitious, I'm going to build my property, I'm going to be more about me, it won't work. But I love what is in verse 9, let every man deal honestly, be alike among this people, receive alike that you may be one, even as I've commanded you. Otherwise, it won't work. I'm looking at these sections, you're right, I'm seeing it over and over. I'm just marking it with a little green highlighter.

If they are contrite before me, you shall have power to give the Holy Spirit. Woe unto you poor men whose hearts are not broken, whose spirits are not contrite, whose bellies are not satisfied. The next one, whose spirits are contrite, for they shall see the kingdom of God. He that prayeth, whose spirit is contrite, the same is accepted of me, he that speaketh, whose spirit is contrite, whose language is meek and edifyeth, the same as of God." It is, it's over and over. I love in section 52, 15 and 16, where for he that prayeth, whose spirit is contrite,

the same is accepted of me, if ye obey mine ordinances, he that speaketh, whose spirit is contrite, the same is accepted of me if ye obey mine ordinances. He that speaketh, whose spirit is contrite, whose language is meek and edifyeth, the same is of God if ye obey mine ordinances." There's this connection here that if we need a humble and a bruised and a broken heart and we need to speak well of others and we need to be obedient. That's the only way Zion's going to happen. That's the only way our wards are going to function today. That if we come into a Sunday school lesson or a sacrament meeting talk to show everyone how much smarter we are or we have all the answers or if we walk into church thinking we know better

than our bishop we're going to get into trouble but if we walk into church saying bishop I don't like what you did there but let's talk through it and find a way to God together or I really didn't love that thing you said in Sunday school let's talk and learn to understand each other. That Zion. I love that. Whose language is meek and edifies. How do you speak? Do you build?

And the way you speak of others and to others. It's so easy to tear down, especially these Kirtlander revelations. These people are being asked to do some very hard things and they're being asked to give up the things that had made them successful to seek something higher. That's hard and if you can find a way to speak well of somebody else you're going to be so much better. I like what you said earlier the moving's the easy part. Not that it's easy but it is the easier part of becoming Zion. Moving to Zion, pretty straightforward. Becoming Zion, that's going to take a while. It's going to take a lot of stretching. There's a story, I don't know who it is, I think Brigham Young is speaking

to someone who is trying to make a little money off of Zion. The quote is, whose kingdom are you trying to build? Your own or the Lord's? Almost as if you can't do both. A few years ago when we were working on the St. George temple, we found some of the carpenters had written poetry and stuck it in the walls of the temple, which is really cool. Wow. Wow. How cool.

Two of them wrote their family history down. One of them forgot to write down one of his daughters, which is awkward. I'm sure he loved her. Yeah. But my favorite was a poem by a relatively new convert of the church. He had joined the church in 1872 and in 1876 he's now in St. George working as a carpenter. He's a storekeeper. He has no business being at St. George. In the wall of the temple, let me just read you this poem. He said, whatever be my failings and desires to thee, O Lord, my heart be firm and true, thy law my law. Whatever God requires, this be my hope, his loving will to do. And whatsoever I love with act or breath, if I should love thee less than how I can remember me oh Lord in life or death as one that ever loves his fellow man." Wow.

That's by a man named Joseph Townsend who wrote other hymns that people know and love and seen every week in church. That encapsulates that idea of a contrite heart becoming Zion. The I am going to fail all the time, but remember God that I tried. I tried to love people more than I loved my own interest. Did you say you found that? We found that in the walls of the St. George temple. So he wasn't writing it, hey, I'll get famous here, publish a great poem. This one was to God.

That was his prayer in the wall of the temple. He wasn't thinking there's going to be a podcast in 2025 that they're going to read that. What a beautiful thing. I like to think if I got to leave something in the wall of the temple, what would I leave? What would be my testimony just to God? I'm jealous of your job, which I don't think is Zion, so I have to check myself there. I like, Emily, that you said that I tried, I'm trying. We have talked a lot, hey, haven't we, about the difference between being willing and able,

because we're not called able very often. God is able, we can be willing. That's it. We just keep trying. I love then in section 52 where he starts calling all these missionaries. Some of them accept the call, some of them don't, and some of them have new assignments made because some of them received a call and said, I don't want to go to Missouri or some of them got the call and said, does that really have to be my companion? Okay. Can't I go with that other guy? He's a little better. They're working through this. We're all doing that same thing. We get a calling

from God and we're like, but did you mean that? Isn't there a different way? I'm in. Now go to Missouri. Ooh. That's, yeah, I mean when I said I was in, I meant like in meaning I'm gonna stay here in Ohio and I have that same attitude. I think this happens this section because the Colesville Saints in section 51 are being asked to move to a man named Leman Copley's farm, right? He had been a shaker, he joins the church, he's all gun ho. Section 49 is the section to the shakers, and Leman Copley is with them and they go read that section to his congregation. Yikes.

It doesn't go well. It doesn't go well. And suddenly Leman is now like, no. I'm not in. I'm not in. I was so excited to have you live on my farm, but this is too hard. You're asking me to choose. And he kicks them off his farm. The aftermath of section 49, that section to the Shakers, is the Saints from Colesville who moved to Ohio with such faith now being commanded to move on because they don't have a place to live anymore. Hadn't they started improving the land and the Copley farm building fences and things they had already put some sweat equity in improving it and then had to

leave? It's beautiful out there. I noticed a phrase and four four years ago, John, we were studying this, this was pointed out in section 51 verse 17, I think is that to the saints on Copley's farm, he says, and the hour and the day is not given unto them, wherefore let them act upon this land as four years, almost like the Lord is saying, as if you're gonna be here for years. It's almost like he knew. Yeah. He knew that Copley was going to back out, but he didn't say so right here. He just said, yes, stay on this farm as if you're gonna be here a long time. Wait, what do you mean,

as if we're gonna be here for a long time? There's this great quote from Brigham Young where he talks about if you wait for Zion to happen before you start building it, you'll never be ready for Zion. Build the Zion you want to live in and then if you have to leave a week later, guess what? You're Zion and the principles you learn go with you. The physical part of Zion should be the easy part. Like build a farm, build something beautiful because it will teach you the skills to be ready for God's kingdom. The saints at the Lehman Copeland farm,

you might be there 10 years, you might be there a week, but live your life as if you're going to be here forever. Because if you're gonna be here 100 years, in 100 years, you'll have that tree planted that's beautiful. But if you're here a week, you'll still have learned what Zion looks like. Yeah. John, you've taught me a phrase,

God gets his work done through the people, and he gets his people done through the work. Yeah, that was a saying, and I don't know where he got it from. My beloved mission president Menlo F. Smith used to say, the Lord gets the work done through his people and his people done through the work. All these things they're going through are refining them. I think that's what you're saying, Emily, right? Is in building Zion, you become it. It doesn't matter where you live because Zion will go with you. It's you, it is that theme itself.

What I love even studying like historic tabernacles of the church or historic temples, like the Salt Lake temple. Imagine if they showed up in 1853 and 1854 and said, all right, I'm gonna give you one day in 10 for the next six months, and then my turn on the temple is finished, or my turn on the tabernacle is finished, and I'll let somebody else finish it. We would still be building the Salt Lake Temple if we had

lived with that attitude. For these saints, you build the building and then you find God in it. So they can sit in that tabernacle and look up in that building and go, I built this, I helped build it and now generations after me will know God because of me. That kind of connection that the things we do right now may not seem significant to us, but if we do them well, it will bless generations to come. Yeah, and I bet you feel that Emily as you walk through these buildings? Yeah. Do you feel them?

Well, I mean, I know their names, I know their pictures, I joke that I could probably tell which ones I'd be friends with, and which ones would be a little harder for me personally. To get along with. I mean, any of us that can visit a sacred place, that you can feel that kind of connection, that sense that they did this for us, even if they never lived to see it completed. The saints that helped build the Kirtland Temple were there for just a few months after and then left. The saints built the Nauvoo Temple and were endowed and then just walked away. But Zion was them.

Zion was them. The power of the sealing covenant went with them. So the power of the endowment went with them across the plains and gave them the strength they needed to keep going and keep moving and then build it again and build another temple and then build it again and build another temple and then build another temple. Forgive and move on and work hard and do it again and again and again. These revelations that feel so distant in time from us are very present because be a just and wise steward, have a broken heart. Serve me. Help. Build the kingdom. Move. Accept

that mission call. Do those things and Zion will go with you. I have a comment and a question. In section 51 verse 9, the Lord says, let every man deal honestly and be alike among this people and receive alike that ye may be one." That is a phrase from John 17, the great intercessory prayer. Here's the Lord heading to his atoning sacrifice in the garden and on the cross. He's praying for you and I, for the apostles, for everyone who believes on the apostles, and this is his prayer, that they may be one. If I'm the adversary and that's the Savior's one prayer, then I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to seek to divide. When we think

of Satan controlling the earth, it's division, war, people against people. The signs of the times that scare me the most are the ones that say people will be divided against each other. Because when we are united in purpose and united in love, you are unstoppable as a society. But when you are pointing fingers or saying, well, if that guy would have done a better job, we wouldn't be in this mess. That's when problems happen.

Yeah. John, what does the Lord frequently say to the saints about Joseph? Your eyes? It's coming up in 67. Your eyes have been upon Joseph, and his language you have known, his imperfections you have known, this also you've known. But read the Revelations. There's no imperfection in them. I just love the idea. You're looking at the wrong thing, guys. If you're trying to find imperfection in Joseph, you'll find it. In the Book of Mormon, it's stir their souls up in anger against that which is good. Fault finding. There's online tools for stirring today.

What are we upset about today? Let's check my feed, right? Isn't this awful? Yeah, it's awful. Let's all gang up on this person and attack them. 52 verse 4, Inasmuch as they are faithful unto me, it shall be made known unto them what they shall do. And inasmuch as they are not faithful, they shall be cut off unto them what they shall do. And in as much as they are not faithful, they shall be cut off, even as I will as seemeth me good." So if we are faithful, God will lead us. And if we are not, we will be cut off. It's the great pride that all of us deal with. In these sections, I see a lot of this, when we are

turning to God, He will deliver us. I love in section 56, the fatness of the earth will be ours. We will have everything. But if we are disobedient, if we are prideful, if we stir up contention, if we try to make God do our will, we will be cut off. It will fail. If we're trying to get God to conform to our will, we will be cut off. It will fail. If we're trying to get God to conform to our will, this whole thing is not going to happen. But if we go to His will, the fatness of the earth is happening. And can you trust that? Emily, with these missionaries, he's calling them in pairs here. What's he calling them to do? Is this the mission to Missouri, the one we haven't been there yet? This mission to Missouri is really to help set up this society and the kingdom that's coming.

The first missionaries have already been to Missouri, they've scouted out what's happening, but this group is really going to organize, to physically get Zion ready. And you need a whole lot of people with a whole variety of skills to show up to get the city ready so the rest of the Saints can follow along behind. Oh, okay. So already there, I think if I remember right, is Oliver Cowdery, Pard Party P Pratt, John Help Me Out. Zibur Peterson and was it Peter Whitmer Jr.? Okay, so they're already out there and the Lord is saying, okay, let's take more out there. Yeah, so the scouting party is gone and now the advance company is on its way.

Okay. We're gonna lay out the city, we're gonna to buy some land, we're going to set up a store, we're going to start getting something so when the rest of the saints arrive, they're not showing up to nothing. They have a place to go to. The Lord says, Thomas, you're with Ezra. Edward, you're with Martin. Sydney and Joseph, you're together. David, you're with Harvey.

Parley, you're with Orson. When I read this with my boys, it's not just a bunch of names. It's you two are going together and you're walking to Missouri. And preach the gospel along the way, by the way. So it's this idea that you have the priesthood, you have been called of God, so no matter where you are, open your mouth. Don't just go to Zion. Take Zion with you. Find converts. Find people. And along the way, preach the Word of God. Find those pure in heart, those people that are ready to join. Then Zion will not only be in you, but Zion will be in the traveling company

and on that entire journey west. John, when I've given church history tours, this is June. If the Lord's saying, I want you to walk in Missouri, I'm like, can't I wait till September? Yeah. It's a little bit nicer weather. When it's hot in Missouri, it's really warm. Yeah. I'm looking at my late father's scriptures and I'm seeing, by the way, highlighted in verse 8, 9, 10, 22, 23, 25, 26, and 27.

Preach by the way, preach by the way, preach by the way. So I know Smith shows up a lot in Restoration history. There's a few by the way. There's a few by the way along. Section 52 is yours, congratulations. It's got a lot of by the way's in here. I'm like, yeah, my dad marked them all. That's funny. I also love in this revelation, he tells them what to preach in verses 9 and then I think in 36. Let them journey from hence preaching the word, by the way, saying none other things than that which the prophets and apostles have written

and that which is taught them by the comforter through the prayer of faith. And he says that again in verse 36. You teach the apostles and the prophets. You don't teach your own doctrine. You don't teach the theme that you brought with you when you joined us from the Shakers or the Campbellites. You don't preach Sidney Rigdon's church. You preach the prophet. Interesting, good insight. And then in section 53, I think he goes into a little bit more detail,

in verse three, in the revelation to Sidney Gilbert, "'Take upon you my ordination, even that of an elder, "'to preach faith and repentance and remission of sins according to my word and the reception of the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands. First principles right there. You teach the basics because the basics is how Zion happens. You preach faith in God. You preach repentance. you preach that churning, you preach humility, preach that God will forgive you of all of the things that are keeping you from Him. That is the word of the prophet.

That's what's going to get you to Zion, and that's what's going to get you converted. I've joked with my students that when Jesus comes again and you're not quite sure if it's him, see what he talks about first. Right? If he starts with, I have a message about faith, repentance, and baptism, you can go, okay, it's him. That's what he speaks about. I'm not going to be ready for the deep doctrine because I'm still figuring out faith, repentance, and baptism. Right? Until I get that done. Yeah. Really understanding faith and repentance is the deepest thing we can know. Emily, how does this mission go? We can't go through all of these companionships, but do they just take off and go? They're like, okay, here we go.

Some of them do and some of them don't. There's actually some of the other sections in this group of scriptures this week. Some of them deny the call, say, I'm not going. So some of them actually get new assignments. God's like, okay, well, you said no, so now I'm going to give your calling to somebody else. This section is a verse that a friend taught me back when I was a student in Ohio that has stuck with me about how we do this in verse 33 of section 52. Ye verily I say, let all these that take their journey into one place in their several courses and one man shall not build upon another's foundation nor journey on another's track.

I love that verse because I remember as a young, timid missionary, I was going to be so like, don't make me talk to people. I'll just follow along and my companion and I will join another companionship. I'll let them do all the talking. Right. And imagine if that had happened in their journey to Missouri. Now you have 30 missionaries all traveling together and not actually talking to anybody. Yeah.

For me, that idea of do not travel in another's track, try it out, spread it out. For me as a college student, that was really meaningful because I saw everybody around me having these grand ideas, you know, the only way to be successful in life is if you're a doctor or a lawyer, or I'm going to start a tech company and I'm going to change the world and me little history major I'm like I'm going to go take my Shakespeare comedy

class now I don't know and I felt such weight and pressure and guilt because I wasn't interested in that same track. That reminder for me as a college student was it doesn't matter how you get there. The goal is Zion. Don't copy another guy because his path seems to be the right path. Take your own path. And they're all gonna end up in the same place, but take your path. Yeah, find your own way. Don't compare yourself that my path is not getting me somewhere because it's not Joseph's path or Sidney Rigdon's path. Find my own path. Those that accepted the call got to Missouri, they just spread out and they touched people's lives in different ways.

Emily, since we have you here, I'm going to read off some of these names and if you want to talk about some of them, we can't talk about all of them, but we've got Thomas B. Marsh, Ezra Thayer, Ezra Booth I know becomes an interesting character, Isaac Morley, we've talked about him, Edward Partridge, who's my restoration hero, Martin Harris, we definitely have talked about him, Harvey Whitlock, David Whitmer, I don't know Harvey Whitlock. Parley Pratt, Orson Pratt. We've at least talked about Parley quite a bit. Solomon Hancock, Simeon Carter, Edson Fuller, Jacob Scott, Levi Hancock. We've mentioned him.

I won't go all the way through. Is there anyone in here you wanna talk about? Emily is a historian. Anyone come to life? What I love about these, they are such a diverse group of people. Harvey Whitlock is younger than Joseph, which is saying something. If you can be younger, Edward Partridge is wildly successful, a decade older, even among

that other group. Lyman White, who would go on to become an apostle, is about the same age as Edward Partridge. John Murdoch, this is the man whose wife died giving birth to twins, just at the same time that Emma Smith lost twins at birth. Emma and Joseph adopt Joseph Murdoch's twins. That's that story that will become relevant in a few years. Thomas B. Marsh is about five years older than Joseph, goes on to be a significant leader in the church. Some of these men are faithful all the way to Utah. Some of them learn and find a way and stick with it.

Some of them, Edward Partridge gave up so much for the church, dies in Nauvoo. Newell Knight dies on the journey west to Utah. Some of these men don't survive the doctrinal tussle that happens when the Kirtland Bank fails and leaves the church in 1837. The more you study these men, the more you see these are people that are very much just like us. These are normal, common, average folks and some of them go on to names that are writ large in church history and some just kind of fade away. One of them, Simon's writer, we hear his name a little bit. He flames bright and then burns out very, very quickly. He's joining the church in June 1831 and by September he's out.

It's just too much. So you get this whole diversity of people. If Simon's Rider flames out, your Edward Partridge's burn slow and steady and calm. Then you have a Sidney Rigdon who goes through terrible things later on in Kirtland. And because of his early allegiance to Joseph, Joseph keeps him because he is such an influential, wonderful voice. He ends up in Liberty, has a, probably a traumatic brain injury from the tar and feathering at the Johnson farm. These are amazing people. But again, very much common normal farmers, bookkeepers, the standard folk.

And then to be paired up with someone. We do that in our church. Luckily, I get paired up with John, by the way, quite a bit. I don't know if it's lucky for him, but it's lucky for me. But I can see Solomon saying, Simeon snores. That's going to be a long trip. John, I really like you, but I like Sarah more. And if they said, you're going to be gone here for the next couple of months. I think, Oh, I'm gonna leave my family. Yeah. And maybe middle of the summer, I've got work. You want me to do what? With who? Yeah. Some mission companions you are just best friends with, and you love them your whole life. And others are tremendous learning opportunities. Chances for growth. You have all of that. And these are people with jobs. They're now being asked to leave their work.

Most of them are married. They have children. There's even a risk that because this is the frontier, maybe they don't come back. Maybe you get cholera on the way. Maybe your boat capsizes. Maybe something goes terribly wrong. So what we think of as a nice, easy, oh, I'm just driving a few hours. For these people, this may be life and death at all times. What am I willing to do? Yeah. So when we see those

who couldn't do it, let's be careful in the way we... Right. I would have done it. Would you? Would you have done it? Because they don't know how this is gonna work out. And then they're out there in the Missouri heat. Whenever I'm in Missouri in August and July, I'm like, is this really Zion? This feels painful. And tempers flare. You get out there, you're a long way from home, you're probably tired and hungry and your feet hurt. Yeah. Then you run into somebody who's yelling at you and I don't know if I could keep my calm and be Christ-like when my mission companion is snoring way too loud. Yeah, but you've gotten on my nerves after a while, and I say something, and anger.

Can you stop chewing your food? You're just annoying me. Oh, John, you're so good with that. I know I annoy you, and you just smile and nod. I don't know what you're talking about, but if I snore. I was looking at verse 30, I just thought that we should mention Reynolds Cahoon. I had a Cahoon roommate at BYU. A lot of these Cahoons settled up in Alberta.

Reynolds Cahoon is the one whose son was named what, Hank? Mahonrai Moriankumar. Yeah. We talked about this a lot last year. Yeah, this is just such a fun story. And then remember the other couple said, we're okay not getting a blessing. Maybe blessed by Joseph.

We're going to go out right after they hear that one, Mahonrai Moriankumar. Emily, thanks for bringing this to life because you might read these and just think these are just names. I can see my boys going through this and just saying do I have to read all these? It's just a bunch of names but when you stop you're like these are people. They're real people. With jobs and families and fears. Yeah, a lot of these names are on the Joseph Smith Papers website, so there's biographical sketches of a lot of people mention the Doctrine and Covenant. If listeners are interested in

learning more about them, they can go to the Joseph Smith Papers and get little snippets, and if you're lucky a photograph and actually get a sense of who they are, then you have a competition of who had the best beard and who really needed a haircut and all of that. Pete Slauson The resources that we have today are so incredible, aren't they? We recently attended

something at the church history library as they showed us some of the resources available to everybody, to anybody who has an internet connection to go on and read these little bios and make this all real. Emily, how much content is available for the historians of the church? I could spend the rest of my life reading every document of the church history library and still not get through it all. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing, you can go look it up and you can read it for yourself. The actual document, right? Yeah. You can hold the actual thing kind of and know these people and not only Joseph, but so many of these others. The Edward Partridge papers have been published and

the Wilfred Woodruff papers are being published and you can learn about Them from them Which is just remarkable. Yeah Emily I'm glad you're talking about this because I think we might get the impression that oh the little library app on my phone is The same almost every time you look at it something else has been added Yeah every time you look at it, something else has been added. There's something new or things have been reorganized a little bit and they are still in the process, as you just said, of doing more, even making it searchable. So people should go in there and spend some time. Look at what's there because they might not even be aware of what's there.

It'll change next month. I love so many of those resources. I know the people that write them. These are faithful Latter-day Saints and these are scholars. It's so wonderful to see them combining these two aspects of themselves and finding faithful ways to talk about really complex, complicated human stories that are accurate. They're trustworthy. That's another good thing about that. They're scholars and you can trust what they're going to say. They're being transparent. They're telling it like it is, like you said, complicated, difficult lives of people. There are ups and downs. Good thing we're not complicated at all and we don't have any ups and downs, huh? Yeah.

So black and white and straightforward I am. Right. 100% good at every second. Emily, this has been fantastic so far. I love it when these people come to life. Their names are in black and white, but you're helping us see this in color, which is really fun. you're helping us see this in color, which is really fun. John, Emily is very busy. She's not able to listen to a lot of podcasts, but her brother Kevin does listen to a few. Emily, I extended the invitation and you, did you send a text to Kevin? Is that what happened?

Emily I texted him right as I got the email from you. He called me about one minute later, like breathless with excitement. Jared Ranere And that pushed you over. You said, okay, I got to do it. Emily Cushman I mean, I have to earn some credit in the family to appear on a podcast. Jared Ranere Yep. So, Kevin, we know you work at BYU. We got to tell you we love you. Thank you for getting Emily on our show. It's been fantastic so far. Yes. So Emily

We still have some more sections to cover 54 through 57. What do you want to do? I like to ask this question about these sections. What in the world do store clerks and printers have to do with Zion? Okay, yeah Zion is this doctrine. Zion is the pure and heart. Why in the world are we now talking about agents purchasing land and getting licenses and getting a clerk? I like to think about how much of life Zion encompasses. Zion is the kingdom of God. What matters to God in his kingdom? I love in section 51, they talk about we're going to build storehouses. We're going to take care of the poor because that is Zion.

In section 55, WW Phelps and Oliver Cowdery are commanded to select books for children's education. What in the world does that have to do with Zion? This is decades before the creation of the church's youth programs. You don't get primary until the 1870s and you don't get young men and young women until 1870. In 1831 God is reminding his people

that the next generation of saints needs to start learning now. Don't wait until they're a grown-up to teach them how to live in Zion. Start them at a young age. I love in section 55 verse 4, and again, you shall be ordained to assist my servant Oliver Cowdery, who I might add is a school teacher, so has some experience in this, to do the work of printing and of selecting and writing books for schools in this church, that little children also may receive instruction before me as is pleasing unto thee."

So I love that in Zion, education is paramount. We have to learn and the younger you can start, the more Zion you're going to be. That's why education matters. I've heard it said that the father of adult education was Joseph Smith because of the School of the Prophets and things like that. The idea of continuing education, I love that because that's where I used to work at BYU, was to continue to educate and this is the beginning of that.

You know what it reminded me of, Hank? It reminded me of our friend Brad Wilcox, who's on the faculty in religious education at BYU, but he started as a professor in education specializing in children's books. Yeah, literacy. I bet Brad knows that verse really well. Yeah. It reminds me, the first Book of Mormon I read was the Illustrated Book of Mormon as a little kid. That was my entrance to the Word of God. And it was a children's version

that got me familiar enough with the story so that when I became an adult or could actually read, I could actually read the Book of Mormon, but it started with the most basic introduction to the Word of God. Or I think about those times I've taught nursery. Your lesson is basically Jesus made fish, so Jesus loves fish. And that's your lesson. That's it. And you pass out the fishy crackers. Yeah. Yeah. And then you color and you play games and it's great. You start very young to learn at the age of two that God made fish by extension. You learn so much else as you go, but it starts with those very basic foundations.

Just like you teach faith repentance, you start at a young age to learn it. Now look at the education program of the church today. We could go through this for an hour. Seminaries institutes, three quarters of a million students. I think BYU Pathway, if our listeners out there are going, I've heard of that. You need to go look that up. This last year, BYU Pathway served 74,839 students, 27,583 of them in Africa. What was the picture in general conference that we saw of, was it Elder Rasband with some adults who are enrolled in BYU Pathways in Africa. That was really cool. What starts here, Emily, you're right,

is the Lord saying, we need to be educating and instructing, and we have kept that going. Yeah. Education is part of Zion. Then in section 57, verse eight, he commands Sidney Gilbert to establish a store. Sidney Gilbert had been business partners

with Newell K. Whitney in Kirtland. Sydney is commanded to gather to go to Missouri and a verse 8 that says, Again verily I say unto you, Let my servant Sydney Gilbert plant himself in this place and establish a store, that he may sell goods without fraud, that he may obtain money to buy lands for the good of the saints,

and that he may obtain whatsoever things the disciples may need to plant them in their inheritance." What I love about this, it's not just go build a store, it's Sidney build a store because. Build a store, have a successful business for the good of the saints that they can plant themselves in their inheritance so that when these saints arrive in this town, they have a way to take care of those temporal things so they can focus on the things that matter more. It's hard to feel the spirit and connect to God when you're hungry or you don't know where your next meal is coming from, or you're cold at night, it's hard to become a better person

to grow if you don't have enough to eat or you don't have a place to sleep. So I think about we build a store, we build a business because it takes care of those basic things. If anybody goes on a church history tour and you go to Independence Square, look to the west and you'll see a Gilbert and Whitney store. I don't think it's the same one that survived but it's right there. Down the street from there is the area where the WW Phelps printing press was. It was funny to get

there and to look over. You're at this place where, what does it say? There's a marker that says this is where the Oregon Trail starts and everything else. There's a Gilbert and Whitney store right there. And it just always reminds me of this verse right here when you see that. Yeah. You've mentioned these names, Sidney Gilbert, you've mentioned Oliver Cowdery, WW Phelps, John, you just brought him up. There's this portion of the manual, and Emily, I'd love for you to comment on this. And this is a portion that helps you teach your children. It says, you may want to explain that WW Phelps, William W Phelps, was a newspaper publisher

who had learned about the gospel and joined the church. Read with your children, Doctrine and Covenants 55, 1-4, which we looked at verse 4, and help them discover what God wanted William to do. How did he plan to use William's talents? I like this discussion because you said Oliver Cowdery, oh, he's got some experience there. Oh, Sidney Gilbert, he's got some experience being a storekeeper. So it seems that part of Zion is the Lord has given you gifts and those gifts then you can use to build Zion. And that idea that God will take whoever you are and have a use for you. Every job is needed in Zion. For W. W. Phelps, he had learned, he had worked hard and he was a publisher. That's

a tough business. He had learned a lot about that business, so when he joins the church, God says, good, I can use that. Yeah, I can put together a team. As he is commanding people to go to Missouri, he's not just saying whoever wants to go, go. He's saying, I want Zion to be this in 150 years. I'm going to send very specific people that will get me where I want us to be. The same pattern holds true. You don't want everybody in your ward to have the exact same skill set. You know, if everyone is a ward organist,

your meetings are going to be beautiful, but who's going to teach Sunday school? You will have natural teachers that will be elevated, and you have natural musicians that will be elevated. Some people are great at teaching children, and some people are great at teaching adults. It's finding that mix. And that same thing held true even as they're coming to

Utah. As Brigham in is calling people out to settlements, he's not just calling 300 farmers, he's calling farmers, blacksmiths, musicians, gardeners, printers, and all of the people, because Zion should be functional, but Zion should also be beautiful. And Zion should have good music, good food, be literate, be hardworking, all of those things together. So it's the idea that God needs all of us. You may not know why you got the degree you did or the job path you did, but if you're willing to let God lead you, He will turn

you into something far more powerful than you ever planned. Coming up in part two of this episode. One of the things I'm excited about as we're restoring the Lion House is that we get to tell the story of those amazing women that lived there. You have Eliza R. Snow, who's General Relief Society President, and Zina Diantha Huntington-Yun, who's one of the most well-known early suffragists in the church. They love to be out in public. They are going to go out and they are going to change the world through speaking. And there's other women in that household who

are, don't ever make me talk in public. But I will support you when you come home.