Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - Exodus 24, 31-34 -- Part 1 : Dr. John Hilton III

Episode Date: April 23, 2022

How is the blood and sacrifice on the altars in the Old Testament related to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ? Dr. John Hilton III explores the importance of service, sacrifice, and the Sabbath day.Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.co/old-testament/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FollowHimOfficialChannelThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Executive Producers/SponsorsDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: MarketingLisa Spice: Client Relations, Show Notes/TranscriptsJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignWill Stoughton: Rough Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Transcripts/Language Team/French TranscriptsAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsIgor Willians: Portuguese Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com/products/let-zion-in-her-beauty-rise-pianoPlease rate and review the podcast.

Welcome to Follow Him, a weekly podcast dedicated to helping individuals and families with their Come Follow Me study. I'm Hank Smith and I'm John by the way. We love to learn, we love to laugh, we want to learn and laugh with you. As together, we follow him. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith, I'm your host. I'm here with my golden co-host, John, by the way.

Welcome, John, by the way. I would call you the golden calf co-host, but that's... I had golden grams for breakfast this morning. Those golden grams, so... Well, we can see it. I can see it, that's why I called you golden. Sometimes we get guests on where I'm really nervous to be around them.

And then sometimes we get guests on where I'm probably too comfortable because we're such good friends that I just, I'm a little too relaxed. And today is probably one of those days. Can you tell our listeners our good friend who's with us? John Hilton is here today and I I used to feel comfortable about him and then I read his bio and things that he does that are like, Hey, I think I'll learn Chinese and so he does it. And I think, Wow, this guy is incredible. So I'll read the the bio, but you and I Hank

both know that he's an extraordinary person. John Hilton III was born in San Francisco, grew up in Seattle, served a mission in Denver. He received a bachelor's degree from Brighamian University. While he was there, he met his wife, Lonnie, they have six children. They've lived in Boise, Boston, Miami, Mexico, Jerusalem, and China. John has a master's degree from Harvard. It's just fun to say that. I have, wait, don't you pronounce that different.

He has a master's degree from Harvard. And a PhD from BYU, both in education. He's a professor of religious education at BYU. And as our listeners probably know, he's published several books with Desiree book, including, considering the cross, which we talked about before on our podcast, how Calvary connects us with Christ. And he's the author of the video course and podcast, Seeking Jesus. And he loves teaching, reading, and spending time with his family. We're thrilled to have

our friends John Hilton back with us again. Thank you, so good to be here. I'm excited to look that up, seeking Jesus. John will have to use our Google and thumb up and look up John Hilton seeking Jesus. Just started a couple of months ago. You can find it on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. And the idea is whatever book of scripture, I think it's especially true with the Old Testament. Sometimes it's easy to lose focus on Jesus Christ.

There's all sorts of interesting stories and stuff that's going on. So the purpose of this video class I'm doing is just to really center us on Jesus Christ and find ways to focus on him specifically rather than sort of the church generally or scripture generally, but really focus on Jesus. I'm glad you said that John. In my own ward, it's really been fun to try to focus on I'm glad you said that, John. In my own ward, it's really been fun to try to focus on finding the savior in these old Testament stories. There's great characters and families and stories

in the Old Testament, but find types, shadows, and prophecies of Christ in these chapters. I know you're gonna help us do that today. For those of you listening, who would think, man, when you read his bio, when you see his picture, when you see his amazing family, you just think this guy is above us all. But he is not. He often comes down to my level and speaks with me

and picks me up. John, last year, you know that my brother passed away, my father passed away, and John Hilton came to my house both times. But do you remember that? You showed up in my garage. There I am sitting there in my spandex because I just went bike riding. He just came and sat with me. He's just really, really good. He lives what he believes. And I'm just really excited. We get to study Exodus today, right? Yeah. In fact, this is one of the really interesting

examples of what you were just talking about, John, where there's so many cool stories we could explore. Like, we're going to see golden calves and people throwing blood on each other. And it's really easy just to be like, wow, this is wild. But it's a great chance to center ourselves on Jesus. In fact, if you don't mind, just before we start, I want to share a quote from Chad Webb. Chad Webb, for those of you who don't know, he's the administrator of the Seminary and Institute Program and he's one of my heroes. He gave a really influential talk.

We can put it in the show notes about the Savior and focusing on him when teaching. So let me just read this quote from him. He said, the single most important way in which we can help increase faith in the rising generation is to more fully place Jesus Christ at the center of our teaching and learning by helping our students come to know him, to learn from him, and to consciously strive to become like him. Every day we must talk of Christ, rejoice in Christ and preach of Christ.

There is nothing we can do that will bless our students, and I would add our children, our grandchildren, more than to help them come to know Jesus Christ. We must help them to love him, follow him, and intentionally strive to become like him. And that's one of my hopes today, and we'll see it right off the bat as we dive in to Exodus 24

is we can focus on Jesus Christ and see him there. Wonderful, let's get started. I'm sure everyone's excited. In the previous chapters we've been, Moses has received the Ten Commandments. He's been learning some of the specific laws. And he comes and he's going to read them in the hearing of the people.

In verse three, the people say all the words that the Lord has spoken, we will do. And then Moses writes down the words, and he builds an altar. And that's like just a very simple thing that we might just quickly glide by, oh great, he built an altar, lots of people do. In fact, already we've seen Noah building an altar, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob building an altar. And we remember that after Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden, they built an altar. And an angel specifically told them that this was a similitude of the sacrifice of the only begotten Son of God. So already in building an altar, we're starting to see some similarities with Jesus Christ. Now, this next part is if you're listening with kids, you might need

to turn down the volume because we're going to share a story that is not told in primary. So they kill some oxen to sacrifice them. And then I'm not making this up. Verse 6, Moses took half the blood and put it in basins. And half the blood he puts on the altar. And then he's going to take the blood that he's put in the bowl. And he throws it on the people. This is a pretty graphic scene. You don't see very many pictures of this in the Gospel art kit. So Moses is throwing blood on the people and then he says, in verse 8, behold the blood of the covenant. So notice that this, the animal has been sacrificed in some multitude of Christ. Half the blood has been put on the altar and now half the blood is put on the people. The altar representing God, saying,

now this is a real covenant that you are making with God, saying, we will follow. And keep in mind that phrase, the blood of the covenant, because we're gonna come back to that in just a minute. I have four boys, so it does sound a little bit like my house, the idea of blood going everywhere, right, on people. But I don't think it was this as spiritual maybe, as this was. Hopefully the kids aren't throwing blood on each other.

Did I tell you the other day, one of my twins brought down an extension cord top, right down on top of the other. We were at the emergency room. Cause the two prongs went, you see right? Yeah, right. New is school. Yeah. One boy comes up covered in blood.

The other one comes up. I think I killed him. Anyways, okay. Sorry. Where are we going now? One thing I'll just say about the altar real quick. We don't really think about altars maybe as much today because in our chapels, we don't have altars,

but remember, front and center in an endowment room is an altar and in a ceiling room in the center is an altar. So that representation of Jesus Christ is really central in temple ordinances. So I think as we're going through the Old Testament, it's great to focus on these different altars that are built into, think about Jesus Christ there. I've always thought of the sacrament table as kind of a dual thing.

It's a table of communion like the Last Supper, but what are we remembering? The body and the blood of Christ, and I've always thought of a priest next to an altar there, like a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, aronic priesthood priest next to an altar, is that appropriate? Cause I think of the sacrioteville like an altar too, is where remember the sacrifice. I think that's a great way to kind of consider it as well. John, for some of our listeners who are maybe going through the Old Testament for the first time,

they better get used to blood and altars, right? At least for a while. And maybe we can talk a little bit about why blood and alters. So to us, this is so graphic and we're thinking, oh, this is a terrible thing. But let's highlight some later connections that will really help us see Jesus strongly here.

So if we were to, let's just kind of put this to our imposter, so Moses has thrown the blood on the people and has said, behold, the blood of the covenant. Well, if we jump forward several hundred years and go to the book of Jeremiah, Jeremiah is a prophet who's contemporary with Lehigh, they're both preaching around 600 BC. And in Jeremiah chapter 31 verse 31, the Lord says, behold, the days come that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel.

Not according to the covenant I made with their fathers, in the day I took them out of the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, which covenant they break. So there's an old covenant that he's kind of referring to, which is what we're talking about here in Exodus 24. And then Jeremiah says, there's going to be a new covenant in the future. So now let's jump forward another 600 years and turn to Matthew chapter 26. Now it's the last supper. And Jesus says, as they were eating, he took bread and blessed it and break and gave it to the disciples

and said, take eat. This is my body. And he took the cup and gave things and gave it to them saying, drink ye all of it. For this is my blood of the new testament. And remember that that word testament can also be translated as covenant. So this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many. And that's really powerful. There's an old covenant made with blood. Here in Exodus 24, Jeremiah says, well, they broke that one, but a new one is coming. And then Jesus says, this is the new covenant, the new covenant is my blood, which will be shed for you. So what we're reading here in Exodus 24 has a direct connection to the sacrament, John, that you were just talking about and to Jesus Christ.

And while, like for us thinking about blood as a little bit gruesome, the apostle Peter wrote, you were not redeemed with corruptible things as silver and gold, but with the precious blood of Jesus Christ. And I think that's really powerful to see a connection between the blood of the covenant, the old covenant, and now the blood of the new covenant that Jesus is creating. So as we're going through Exodus and running into altars and blood, be thinking of Jesus. Focus, come back around to the blood of Christ. I love that. It appears that Moses is writing down some of the things that have been said back in Exodus 19 and 20, but he doesn't, this is not the two tablets.

The two tablets are coming up in a upcoming chapter, but apparently Moses wrote some other things down that he's referring to as the book of the covenant. Okay. The Ten Commandments, right? That we just received. I like this. And by the way, it's not so different from our day. You've got a spiritual leader up there,

reading commandments and everybody agreeing to keep those commandments, right? You see this in the Book of Mormon and you see this in almost a general conference type solemn assembly. If you want to add in the temple, you have this similar idea of reading commandments, making covenants, there's an altar presence.

So you're right, maybe there are more similarities than we think. We don't sacrifice animals, but there are some still correspondences. So John, what are we going to do next? So before we leave this, I want to just take another new testament passage that ties everything together really explicitly what we've been talking about. So in Hebrews chapter 9, it's going to make a direct connection back to Exodus 24. It says, when every command that had been told to all the people by Moses in accordance with the law, he took the blood of the calves and

sprinkled all the people, saying, this is the blood of the covenant. And then says, Christ has appeared once for all at the end of the age to remove sin by the sacrifice of himself. And Christ having been offered once to bear the sins of many will appear a second time to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. And I love this idea. Those who are eagerly waiting for him, the sacrifice is going to take effect the blood of the new covenant that Christ has shed. That's Hebrews.

What was that John? That was Hebrews chapter nine. We looked at verses 19 and 20. That's the one that ties us back to Exodus 24 and verses 26 through 28. You quoted Peter. What was that reference? Yeah, that was first Peter chapter one, verses 18 and 19.

And for some of our listeners who are following along, I'm kind of flipping back and forth between the King James version, and I also use the new revised standard version. You probably remembered, I don't know, a few months ago, the church changed their policy that specifically said for personal and academic use using other versions of the Bible can be helpful.

So sometimes I use the new revised standard version. So if anyone's following along thinking like, I'm not quite there. I just have a different version. Yeah. And you can get most of that free online. Yeah. There's all of the places you can get these. Can I throw something in that I always liked,

Genesis 45, 24, Joseph sends the brothers back to go get Jacob and says, see the E fall not out by the way. And I liked it because it says it sounds like he's telling me not to fall out and see the E fall not out by the way. But in the NIV, it says, don't quarrel on your way home. And it made me think, can you imagine the conversation on the way home? Who's gonna tell dad we lied?

Who's gonna tell dad that we killed Joseph and all these years he's been mourning? Can you imagine the quarrel? No wonder Joseph said try to stay united on your way. To me that was a whoa And who did tell dad and it just goes right into it that Jacob's like, oh good. Oh, man What a conversation that must have been that That's a good example of how sometimes just having a different translation can spark a different thought in your mind that maybe you've never come across before. One other thing before we kind of wrap up,

Exodus 24, recently I've been curious about this idea of the shedding of blood, because that's a phrase that appears often throughout the scriptures. We just read it in Matthew 26, Jesus uses it at the last supper, and the sacrament prayers also talk about us remembering the blood which was shed for us.

So I surveyed a couple hundred of my students and I said, you know, when you think of the shedding of blood, what event do you think of? And a pretty big majority said, guess, eminy. And I'm definitely not minimizing the importance of guess, eminy, but in fact, when the scriptures talk about the shedding of blood, it's a reference to death. Here in Exodus 24, they didn't make some oxen bleed to get blood. They killed the oxen. And for me, there's some spiritual

power in remembering that the shedding of blood is death because it's an all-in sacrifice. When Jesus shed his blood for us, it was his death. That's what the scriptures are referring to. And so when he says, in Dr. Nekumna's 27, when you take the sacrament, remember the shedding of my blood. He's saying, think about my death when you take the sacrament.

And at least for many of my students, it'd be a way. That was sort of a mind-expander because they said, you know, I pretty much exclusively think about gussemony during the sacrament. And I'm not saying you shouldn't think about gussemony during the sacrament, but for many, it's been a powerful experience to consider both gussemony and calvary during the sacrament and remembering specifically the blood that was shed for us and the saviors all in sacrifice. Is it Hebrews 9 also that says without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins?

And I think how significant, as you said, John, in the prayer on the wine or the water, this very important, which was shed for them, that he died for us, which was shed for them. I love that that little part, it's significant because it's included in the prayer. And if you explore through the scriptures, you find that every time where there's an explicit definition of the shedding of blood, that phrase always refers to death. That's how Joseph Smith always referred to it. It's not bleeding, it's death. So at the end of Exodus 24, Moses goes up to Sinai to receive a series of revelations from the Lord. And we get those revelations in Exodus 25 through 30. And some of our listeners might have noticed that we skip those chapters in this week's

come follow me. And I think the reason for that is what we're going to read in Exodus 25 through 30 is very similar to Exodus 35 through 40. And that's going to be part of our readings for next week. So for now, let's just defer our discussion of Exodus 25 through 40. And that's going to be part of our readings for next week. So for now, let's just defer our discussion of Exodus 25 through 30. So we pick up in Exodus chapter 31. Moses is still on Sinai, who's still talking with the Lord. And there is a really cool principle right up front because the Lord is going to talk about two people that you have probably never heard of. So if we take a look here, this is verse 31, the Lord spoke to Moses,

I have called by name Betzelel. I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom and in understanding and in knowledge and in all manner of workmanship to device cunning works to work in gold, silver, and brass in the cutting of stones. So this guy Betzelel is going to be a key player in building the tabernacle. But he's not the only one. If we keep going, behold, I have given with him a Holy Ab. And in the hearts of all the wise hearted, I have put wisdom that they may make all that I have commanded thee. These chapters in 25 through 30 are given instructions for building the Tabernacle and various other

things that go along with it. And now the Lord names Betzel L, a holy ab, and many other people who are going to assist in this work. And in the following chapters, they're going to appear frequently. And there's so much we can learn from these lesser known characters. For one, they're types of Christ. Jesus Christ, one of his titles, is The Creator. And Betsello and a holy ab are now going to be doing these creations. If we were to jump over to Exodus chapter 36 verse 2, it says Moses called Betzalal and a Holy Ab and every wise-hearted person, in whose heart the Lord had put wisdom, even everyone whose heart stirred them up to come to the work to do it.

And I love that it's not just the people that God specifically called by named Betzel on the Holy. But anyone, if the Lord was putting it into your heart to come and help on the tabernacle, you were called to the work reminds me of the doctrine of evidence. If you have desires to serve, you're called to the work. One of the things that we'll learn is that Betzel on the Holy. And those who are working with them make clothing for those who will be officiating in the tabernacle. And that clothing is, in many respects, similar to the temple clothing that we have, a holy ab is going to make a little signet that says holiness to the Lord, which we see something similar on temples today. And so I think it's really cool that if you went to the temple recently, you probably were connected with Betzelel and a holy ab as you put on your temple clothes or worshiped in, saw a phrase, holiness to the Lord.

But you never thought about Betzele and a Holy app. They're kind of along the lines of those people like Sam or Shiblon, where they're a little less on your own character. They don't get a lot of screen time, but they're a big part of the Lord's work. And I think that's a really hopeful message for all of us who might feel like, oh, does anyone know what we're doing? Well, probably not. And we don't know what that's all on the holy ab did, but it made a big difference. It's like the line no less serviceable in the Book of Mormon.

Heal him in his brother and we're no less serviceable. Yeah. Chief Captain Roni, he's pretty awesome. He's, you know, winning battles, but... Yeah, Tienkhen was not one wit behind, yeah. Verse three is a great place to talk about the influence of the Holy Ghost. I've filled him with the spirit of God, wisdom, understanding, knowledge, and I like this in all manner of workmanship. So my dad used to say he was a golf professional

and he'd say, I play better golf when I read my scriptures. And I always thought that was really odd, right? Because nowhere in the scriptures does it talk about the sand trap on, you know, on 11. But he believed this idea that the spirit is not just about religious things. We think of the spirit of God. We think, oh, he's he can pray really well or he's a good missionary or, but this idea of all manner of workmanship. The Spirit can fill your job as an engineer or as a teacher or as a plumber. The Holy Ghost can be part of your work. Hank, that reminds me to of something

that's important to the new children and youth program is the Luke 252 verse that speaks of Jesus increasing in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and in favor with man and All of those areas are affected when we have the spirit. That's a good point And I also want to highlight too that sometimes you might not have a certain talent Maybe you feel like well the spirit hasn't Filled me with a talent of art. So I guess I'm not going to be able to contribute I love how the verse actually says everyone's whose heart stirred him up to come unto the work to do it was called. So you don't have to have mad skills. Sometimes the Holy Ghost will just bless you when you stand up and start working. Your

talents will be magnified. And I'll be honest, I flunked art in sixth grade. So probably Betsello and a holy I probably didn't want me on their team. You had to be really bad for a sixth-grade teacher to say, you're done. Isn't that sad? That is a true story, though. So you might feel like, oh, I don't have the natural capabilities, but the Lord can magnify whatever you have when you're called to the work. And sometimes it's a self-call where you feel inspired to just go and contribute.

I don't think, like, I mean, just think about this podcast. You guys created this podcast and between brother and sister Sorenson and your talents and others, you were called to the work. But this wasn't something that you woke up one morning and said, we're gonna make this happen as you had desires to serve. It came to be.

How do we help those, if they're calling isn't up front because sometimes it's like well Moses gets all the screen time and here you you highlighted some people who are doing incredible work Reminds me of the latter-day Saints who built the Salt Lake Temple who worked on door knobs that were probably never gonna be Seen all the detail was there if I'm in one of those callings How do I help me see that it's not about being in front, it's about being close to the Lord and being filled with the Spirit? When you say that, Hank, what I think of is the sermon on the mount, how often Jesus repeated, the Lord which seeeth in secret shall reward thee openly. And there's something wonderful about

doing things that aren't out in front and knowing that the Lord thought that maybe nobody else did. And another thing I thought of when you were asking the question was Elder Jeffrey Arhol and gave a talk. I think it was called always remember him and it kind of made a list of things we can remember about the Savior during the sacrament. And he made this just wonderful statement about if you ever feel, and I'm paraphrasing, unknown or unseen in what you're doing, so did one of the best men who ever lived, and he talked about Joseph, the stepfather of Jesus. And I thought, wow, what a great way to think,

because we know relatively little about Joseph, but Elder Holland called him one of the best men who ever lived. And sometimes maybe the things we're talking about are easier to say than to actually do or feel, but the more we can really focus on Jesus. It's not about Moses getting the Ten Commandments, it's about Jesus connecting with the people. It's not about who built the best door knob at the temple. It's about being in the temple connecting with Jesus Christ. And so I remember in one of my

callings I used to serve as the state clerk and I was, would kind of be in the office processing checks and honestly it felt a little tedious at times and one time I was processing a check for girls camp to, for the bus to take the young women to girls camp and I was like, you know, I would rather be speaking at girls camp. I got some unique talents. I'd rather be doing something like this. Why am I here just like writing out a little check and I'll send this impression came to me from the Holy Ghost. John, if you don't write this check, they don't go to

Girl's Camp. If they don't go to Girl's Camp, some people might not gain a testimony that's going to take them to the temple. You are not in an office writing a check. You are helping people go to the temple and make sacred covenants. And for me, that was just such a great reframe that whatever my church calling is, if I can remember, no, I'm not feeding Cheerios to a child in nursery. I'm helping prepare this child to connect with Jesus Christ through covenants. Then whatever calling or wherever I'm serving is going to have a totally different feel. I'm going to grab a quote way back from the 1900s. Some of our listeners remember the 1900s.

This is present Gordon B. Hinckley. I can hear his voice when I read his words. But he said this, quote, now my brother and in sisters, in conclusion, I wish to leave with you one thought which I hope you will never forget. The church does not belong to its president. Its head is the Lord Jesus Christ,

whose name each of us has taken upon ourselves. We are all in this great endeavor together. We are here to assist our Father in his work in glory to bring to pass the immortality eternal life of man. Your obligation is as serious in your sphere of responsibility as is my obligation in my sphere. No calling in this church is of small or little consequence. All of us, in the pursuit of our duty, touch the lives of others. To each of us in our respective

responsibilities, the Lord has said, be faithful. Stand in the office which I have appointed you, sucker the weak, lift up the hands that hang down and strengthen the feeble knees. A later on, this is April of 95. He says, you have as great an opportunity for satisfaction in the performance of your duty as I do in mind, the progress of this work will be determined by our joint efforts. I just remember him saying that your responsibility

is as important in your sphere as in mine. I remember sitting there going, really? Because you seem to have a lot of responsibility and obligation. But I remember it. He told us to never forget and that came back to my mind. I remember that too. I just remember going, wow, President

Hinkley views his calling. Like, this is my calling. What's your calling? and yours is just as important you know and I remember that Hank I'm glad you brought that up. John this is just really good that you were gonna highlight I can't even say say their names again for me. Well and you never know with some of these old testimonies that's a la la na holy ab is how I'm saying them today. That's a la la na holy ab these are important names. That is one of the things and I'll just throw this out

as something to look for for the rest of the Old Testament is try to find these lesser known characters. Pretty soon in Come Follow Me, we're gonna start skipping a lot of chapters just because the Old Testament is so long. But in your personal time, if you get the chance to read an extra chapter or two, there are some great lesser known characters

and sort of pause and say, what can I learn from Betselel and Holy Ab? And I hope that the next time you go to the temple that you'll think a little bit about them. And maybe before we leave them, if I could share one other quote, this one's from President Ucdorf about creation. Because I think Betselel and Holy Ab

are heroes for all of us, even if you don't have great artistic talents. He said the desire to create is one of the deepest yearnings of the human soul. No matter our talents, education, background, or abilities, we each have an inherent wish to create something that did not exist before. Everyone can create.

You don't need money, position, or influence in order to create something of substance or beauty. Creation brings deep satisfaction and fulfillment. We develop ourselves and others when we take unorganized matter into our hands and mold it into something of beauty. You may think you don't have talents, but that is a false assumption

for we all have talents and gifts every one of us. The bounds of creativity extend far beyond the limits of a canvas or a sheet of paper and do not require a brush, a pen, or the keys of a piano. Creation means bringing into existence something that did not exist before. Colorful gardens, harmonious homes, family memories, flowing laughter. And then President Ucorp just basically gave an invitation saying, create something, whether

it's creating beauty in your home or learning a skill, but all of us can create. And that's, I think, a special lesson, not just from Betzalel and a whole, yeah, but remember, there were many other anonymous people whose hearts were just inspired to go and do like Stephen Shannon Sorenson, right? You just, your heart was filled with some inspiration to create. And if you've got that desire, you're called to the work. And we were grateful they did. And we get to talk to some amazing people every week. It would be easy to skip chapter 31, 1 through 11 and go, okay, looks like some guys are there

and they're going to, they're going to help do a little work on the, on the tabernacle. But I think stopping here and saying, no, look, this is, this, this is important. Can help people say, oh, maybe I wouldn't have noticed that. It's nice to say, as I'm going through the scriptures, go slow. There's some things that you can learn as you start to just kind of ponder, why is this in here? Why are we being told about Betzelil and a Holy Ab? I'm grateful we stopped and took a look. There's definitely a fun family-hobiting activity in there with Betzelel and a Holy Ab. I'm grateful we stopped and took a look. There's definitely a fun family home meeting activity in there with Batsulele and Holy ab. Yeah. Maybe if we jump down to verse 12, now we start to see a theme that has come up multiple times

already and it's going to continue throughout scripture, which is honoring the Sabbath day. So just starting verse 12, the Lord said to Moses, you yourself are to speak to the Israelites, you shall keep my Sabbath for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, given in order that you may know that I the Lord sanctify you. And I think this is one of those principles where it's just, I doubt any of our listeners say, like, whoa, keep the Sabbath, they holy, like my mind has been blown, right? What are some of the practical things that you've done to try to put into practice this idea? First 15, six days shall the work be done, but the seventh is a day of solemn rest, holy to the Lord.

How do we really do that in our lives? Take it away, Hank. You ready, by the way? I'm marking all the places where he talks about the Sabbath. And obviously, this is important to the Lord. This is the next thing he talks about the Sabbath. And obviously this is important to the Lord. This is the next thing he talks about. Here we've got, we're gonna make this tabernacle and we have the place.

Now we're gonna have the day, right? I think this has been quoted before, John. If you look at Exodus 31 and 17, he talks, the Lord says, this is a sign between me and you. This is a signal between me and you. This is a signal between me and you. One thing I've learned as I studied the life of Christ as a New Testament teacher is I noticed him doing a lot of healing on the Sabbath day.

And I've asked myself that question before. Am I healing? Either myself, family members, relationships, ward members, neighbors? Am I helping to heal? That's been a question that's come to mind over and over as I studied the life of Christ. Probably the one thing I've learned as a parent and maybe I'm being too open here, but I get into trouble when I force my children. It's no longer a sign between them and God, it's coercion between them and their father, right, when I force them to keep the Sabbath day. And there's always a balance there, and parenting

is difficult for everyone, but the why behind it is the sign between me and the Lord, which I think is crucial to remember. And a few years ago, when President Nelson gave a talk on the Sabbath day, it was really interesting that that was the idea he focused on from Ezekiel 2020, but it's the same principle that the Sabbath is assigned. And so he didn't give a list of here's the 10 things to do on Sunday, here's the list of 10 things not to do on Sunday, but just like the general principle. How I treat the Sabbath is a sign of how I feel about the Lord.

And I love that healing principle is what I'm doing, bringing healing. It's almost makes me nervous to talk about it because I don't want to sound like and everybody else should do what we do too. And I guess that's the thing for us to make the day, the Lord's day. And I think about, you know, if it's my wife's birthday, this is her day. I want to do something different for her and a sign to her that I care about her. Well, in the same way, what John just read about verse 13 and you read Hank, verse 17, it's signed between me and the, what can I do on that day to make sure the Lord knows I'm aware this is your, this is your day. And it's going to be different for every individual. As we've

been reading an Exodus for Come Follow Me, I realized my kids have never seen the movie The Ten Commandment. Yeah. I mean, I think it's like a four hour movie. This could be a whole month. Of some day movie watching. You mentioned this watching the Savior and what He does on the Sabbath. And there's a little Joseph Smith translation passage from Mark chapter two. And in context, the disciples have been plucking grain on the Sabbath and they're criticized. And Jesus is asked, why do your disciples do that?

Which they shouldn't be doing on the Sabbath day. Jesus responds, wherefore the Sabbath was given unto man for a day of rest. And also that man should glorify God, and not that man should not eat. For the Son of Man made the Sabbath day, therefore the Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath. And I love that principle of the Sabbath is a day to glorify God, kind of like with healing. That's sort of a principle I can ask myself, is what I'm doing, glorifying God, what that actually looks like in practice

for each of us will be different. But this might be a great thing to sit down and have a family counsel about and say what could we do as a family to show a sign and doesn't have to be a radical, huge thing? But maybe there's something small that our family could do. It would really show a sign to the Lord, today is the day of healing,

today is the day to glorify you. Thanks for bringing up Jesus and healing because when you read it, it's almost unbelievable. He heals a man at the Pula Bethesda, 38 years with that infirmity and what those around him focus on is, hey, it's the Sabbath, not wow, this is great. For 38 years, he has dealt with that. What a wonderful thing.

And Jesus seems to be getting our focus back on people and healing instead of a rule. The Sabbath can be a delight, right? This is sometimes we feel like this is a burden or a weight. When it could be more thought, we could think of it as a blessing. The Sabbath could be not a weight, but wings to take you places you usually don't go. And it was not a day of rest, particularly when I served as a bishop. It was not the way we normally think of rest, but what did I, what did I rest from? I tried to rest from worldly things and worldly cares. There's your labor. Right. And I could not my labors, the Lord says.

I could focus on the things that we've just been talking about instead. And maybe just to wrap this up, I love that, you know, at least when I was younger, sometimes the Sabbath seemed like a day of don'ts. You know, don't do this. Don't do that. A day of don'ts. That's good. The Sabbath is a day of do's. There's so many good things that we can do. And lots of fun things. My wife wrote it in Inside Article, maybe we can link to it in the show notes about gospel

games you can play on the Sabbath. There's so much good that we can do. And again, we don't need to be fair, say a couple of times, you can only do these 10 things. Just if we have in our hearts the principles of healing, glorifying God, what kind of sign am I sending? The spirit will guide us. One thing I've learned from reading the life of Jesus

is there's probably one thing he doesn't want us to do on the Sabbath, and that is judging how other people live on the Sabbath. He's probably like, there's one don't. This is an inward looking principle. This is where you look at yourself and focus on yourself. I like the verse in Exodus 31, 17. It talks about the Lord, made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rest and was refreshed. That's a beautiful idea, kind of the spiritual refreshments. That takes us to Exodus chapter 32, and there's a lot that we're going to want to dig into in Exodus 32, and I'll start just with verse 1, and we'll come to different parts of it

throughout. But in verse 1, we read, when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mountain. He's been there for 40 days and 40 nights. The people gathered on Aaron and said to him, come, make gods for us. Who shall go before us for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land at Egypt, we do not know what has become of him. We'll explore like more in just a detail, but let's pause for a minute on the delay. And I think a great question for us to ask ourselves is, are you and I, are we faithful in the delay?

Well, this has been gone a long time. And the three times that people have specifically covenanted everything that God says we'll do. We saw that next to this 19. We see it at an Exodus 24. So they have just recently said we're going to do everything God says. But now with the delay, they're losing hope. And I don't want to be too critical of them.

I see this in myself. In fact, the prophet Mormon says, this is a common human tendency. In Alma of 46, eight, he says, thus we see how quick the children of men do forget the Lord their God, how quick to do iniquity and to be led away by the evil one. And so I think it's worth just kind of pausing for a moment and thinking about what do I do in the middle when there's that delay. When we did our Easter podcast last year, we talked about the Saturday. So that Christ was crucified on Friday. That's the tragedy. He's going to be resurrected on Sunday. That's the triumph. But in between the disciples could have fled, but instead they stayed near Jesus.

And I think that's kind of what we're missing in Exodus 32, verse one. They're in the middle period, it's the delay, but instead of doubling their focus and hope on Christ, there's, well, we better turn to another God now. I think that there was a delay for Joseph that we've just studied. He keeps the law of chastity and his reward, if you look at it cynically, is to be thrown

into prison. And so what is he going to do during that delay? That's a good way to look at it. Or Joe, which we'll talk about next. President Ezra Taft Benson said once that one of the trials of life is that we do not usually receive immediately the full blessing for righteousness or the full cursing for wickedness. That it will come at a certain, but oftentimes there is a waiting period that occurs as was

the case with Job and with Joseph. What a great point. It's a trial that there's a delay. So what are you going to do during the delay? Look at the Beatitudes. Blessed are the right now for they what? She'll be someday there's a delay. I like that idea of being faithful during the delay.

I like that too. I think of Egypt sometimes as maybe an addiction or a sinful life and they were led out of it. There's always this pull to go back, right? Go back to Egypt and so in the delay, you can almost sense that pole. Make us gods, right? That's an Egyptian thing. That's what they would have done back in Egypt.

Make us gods, which I'll go before us. So don't go back to Egypt. If you're a new member of the church and you join the church and now you're here and there's a little bit of a lull, right? A delay. Don't go back. Don't head back to Egypt, even in your mind. It's almost like they don't want to go back physically, but in their minds, they're going back to Egypt or the delays of tragedy. I'm doing all that I've been asked to do and things are not going well. Or I'm not seeing the blessings. Maybe I assumed would be coming.

I'm gonna go find other blessings. Hank and John, I don't wanna put you guys on the spot, but do either of you have a personal story that you wanna tell about delay in your life, where there was a delay, and maybe that was discouraging, but you were able to stay strong even in the middle of that delay.

Well, I got married at 33 years old. I was gonna say, John's 20s could have been. I think that's actually really good. I mean, I think that's how you want to talk about that, John. Well, I have, I've joked about this with some people that I know that have some sort of a clause in there, patriarchal blessing about in the time of the Lord or in due time. blessing about in the time of the Lord or in due time. That's kind of the delay. And mine had the old in due time clause about marriage. I was trying to be where I should be doing what I should do. It's just not an exact science for everybody that whole thing. And so that was a long delay for me

that caused myself and others to pull me aside and wonder what my deal was to put it nicely. Some were not that nice about it, but I kept going back to my blessing. It says it right there. I just got to do what I'm supposed to do, be where I'm supposed to be and be faithful in the delay, I guess. That delay was hard, but when I met my wife and things just kind of unfolded right in front of me, and it was so wonderful. And that delay, I forgot about that because things worked out so well. And as I say that, I'm aware that a very large group of wonderful saints in our church are single adults, and that that delay is still going on perhaps for them. And even some in the next life. And so it's a topic that touches all of our

hearts and touched many hearts to be faithful during that delay. And I just hope we all can just simply connect to Christ during those times. Beware, we're supposed to be doing what we're supposed to be doing. 111, 111 of the doctrine and covenant just blessed me so much when the Lord said, because why is this serpent yet without sin? I will order all things for your good, as fast as ye are able to receive them. That was like my motto during that delay was, I'm ordering things for you and I am judging when you are able. And that was a, okay, I'm handing this to you. That scripture blessed my life a lot and hopefully can bless others during the delay.

The end of 32 verse 1, the people say, this man, Moses, we want not or we know not what has become of him. It reminds me a little bit of Joseph in Liberty Jail, oh God, where art thou? And I think we're all going to have moments where we wonder where God went. We've had these incredible experiences before and now the heavens seem silent. What's happened?

And there's this moment in John 9, where the Savior heals the blind man and then he faces all sorts of persecution from people who want him to change his story. You know, Jesus is a sinner, give glory to God, and he just won't do it. In the delay, he will not back down from his testimony. And once that concludes, the Savior comes back to him and says, do you believe? There's this idea of I will wait for further light and knowledge. I will wait. I will be faithful no matter how long it takes. I, in the delays of life, we learn patience.

We learn patience with the Lord and with the plan. Hank, you just mentioned John chapter 9. If we went to chapters further to John chapter 11, there's another example of delay. Jesus hears the message Lazarus is sick and he delays a couple of days to he waits. And again, like, there's a message God has all power. He can heal us, but sometimes for his wisdom, he will delay. And I just want to say probably some people who are listening right now, you are in the delay right now.

And I would testify that Jesus Christ lives, do not lose hope, keep going strong. As you work through the delay, that healing will come. Someday and it might be today and might be tomorrow, and it might not be till the next life. The healing will come, stay close to Jesus because he is real and he is the source of that healing. Stay true to the promises you made.

Didn't you tell us, John, these people had made promises three times to do this and that delay hits. That phrase, waiting upon the Lord is, comes to mind too. And here they're waiting upon Moses. Sometimes we have to wait, and I just think of that line from Princess Bright, I hate waiting. He-he-he-he. He-he-he.

None of us love waiting. It's a test. What will we do during the late? This is great. And maybe for those who are interested in digging more into this, there's a great talk from Elder Jeffrey Arhaul and we can put in the show notes, cast not away your confidence.

What to do when you've kind of felt the spirit, but then you're left to yourself for a while. And the message of cast not away your confidence is really powerful. So we'll come back in just a minute to the Golden Calf episode, but I want to jump first to verse 11. And there's a really, I think, great thing that we can do with our scripture study. And that is to study how prophets pray. Not just what they say about prayer, but how they talk to God, how they communicate in prayer. And we have the chance to see this a few times today with Moses and what he's

saying. So the people are doing all this naughty stuff. And the Lord tells Moses that this is going on. And he says, look, I'm going to have to destroy all these people. Moses, we're going to have to start, forget about Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We're just going to start over with you. But then in verse 11, Moses implored the Lord and said, Oh, Lord, why does your wrath burn hot against your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? Why should the Egyptians say it was with evil intent he brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to consume them from the face of the

earth? Turn from your fierce wrath, change your mind, don't bring disaster on your people, remember Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, you can kind of see Moses is like kind of logically trying to persuade the Lord, oh, maybe do a different path. And I was one time in a setting where a church leader gave us the invitation to carefully study the Book of Mormon and look for every time a prophet prayed. And so I made a little spreadsheet. We can put that on the show notes too. As I was reading this, I thought, I need to go do the same thing for the Bible. Find every time in the Bible a person prays. And if we really want to do something powerful, we could find every time

Jesus prays, like in John 17 or 30, 519, what can we learn from these prophetic prayers? And one thing that I learned from Moses here is put your heart into it. Don't just not to say like, bless the food, to strengthen our body. He's really thinking carefully and trying to tell the Lord, like, pour out his heart to him about the situation he's in. And I think that's a great model for me in my prayers. And then if we want to just flip over to verse 31, this is later in the chapter and we'll come back to the narrative in a second, but while we're talking about prayer, so Moses returned to the Lord and said, Alas, this people has sinned a great sin. They have made for themselves gods of gold. But now if you will only forgive their sin,

but if not, blot me out of the book, which you have written. And I think that's a powerful phrase of prayer for Moses to say, if you can't forgive them, Lord, please, you know, take, take me instead. And there I think we see Moses as a type of Christ. In fact, just in the verse before that, or two verses before that, in verse 30, Moses says, I will go to the Lord, perhaps I can make an atonement for your sins. As we read about Moses saying, if not, take me, it reminds me of one of the things that Jesus Christ says. This is doctrine and covenant section 45. Jesus says, listen to him who is the advocate with the Father who is pleading your cause before him, saying

Father behold the sufferings and death of him who did no sin, in whom that was well pleased, behold, the blood of thy son, which was shed. The blood of him whom thou gaveest that thyself might be glorified. Wherefore, Father, spare these my brethren that believe on my name, that they may come unto me and have everlasting life. You see Moses as a type of Christ here pleading specifically for the people that he's serving. And again, that's just a reminder to me, like am I pouring my heart out in prayer for those people that I'm serving? You know, John, there may be a tendency here in Exodus 32 to say,

Oh, man, the Lord is really angry and upset. But rather, perhaps he's allowing Moses the opportunity to express his faith in the people, where the Lord says, I'm very upset with them. Moses, what do you think about that? I just think there's a cool idea here, instead of saying, well, the Lord is really upset. I just think he's giving Moses an opportunity

to defend these people and saying, hey, I believe in them despite their... In spite of everything they're doing, I believe in them despite their in spite of everything they're doing I believe in them that they they will repent Also the Joseph Smith translation for verse 32 chapter 32 verse 14 The Lord said it was is if they will repent I will spare them and we see them mercy and real quick Just while we're on these two verses that have talked about repentance This is again kind of like the Sabbath a principle that comes up over and over again.

And I think sometimes repentance can have a harsh connotation in our society. Elder Jeffrey Arholland called it, one of the most hopeful words in the Christian vocabulary. As we're gonna see, the Lord is gonna turn away his wrath. And so in our lives, if there's things that we're struggling with, we can repent, just like the children of Israel are repenting here.

Yeah. You know, during the height of the pandemic, when I was doing my classes over Zoom, I just had the word repent on a slide. And I said, put the word that comes to your mind when I show that. Just put it in the chat window and let's read them and let's see what everybody thinks. And you know, there's, there's justice and condemnation and you need to change and all this sort of a thing. But you're right. Elder Holland, the most hopeful and encouraging word in the whole Christian vocabulary. What I love also is in the Bible dictionary. It

says that repentance means a fresh view about God, about oneself and about the world, which is such a nice way to put it, a fresh view about God, about oneself and about the world, which is such a nice way to put it, a fresh view about God, about oneself, and about the world. The way Elder Holland and the Bible dictionary put it, makes it just change your mind about God and yourself and the world. So I'm glad you mentioned that.

And in that same talk, Elder Holland, I'm paraphrasing here, but he says something like, it's a satanic sucker punch to think it takes eons and eons of eternity to repent. It takes exactly as long to repent as to say, all repent and mean it. That's also an important idea to remember that we can, we can do this. It's possible.

Please join us for part two of this podcast. Thank you.