Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - Genesis 42-50 -- Part 1 : Dr. S. Michael Wilcox

Episode Date: March 12, 2022

How does generational conflict affect the decision to sell Joseph into slavery? Dr. Michael Wilcox returns to discuss reconciliation, familial conflict, forgiveness, and God’s redemption.Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.co/episodesFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FollowHimOfficialChannelThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Executive Producers/SponsorsDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: MarketingLisa Spice: Client Relations, Show Notes/TranscriptsJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignWill Stoughton: Rough Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Transcripts/Language Team/French TranscriptsAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsIgor Willians: Portuguese Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com/products/let-zion-in-her-beauty-rise-pianoPlease rate and review the podcast.

Welcome to Follow Him, a weekly podcast dedicated to helping individuals and families with their Come Follow Me study. I'm Hank Smith and I'm John by the way. We love to learn, we love to laugh. We want to learn and laugh with you. As together, we follow him. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith.

I'm your host. I'm here with my dreamy co-host, John, by the way. You saw me sleeping. He's sometimes not. It's after our. No, I'm just I'm agreeing. Yeah. Yeah. They agree. Yeah. John, we're talking someone very dreamy in the old testament. But before before we get started, I want to do a little shout-out.

I met Mark and Ashley Lyons. They live out in North Carolina, ran into them when I was out east, and they listen every week to the podcast. So, Mark and Ashley just want to say thank you for listening. It was really good to meet you. John, we are talking about Joseph of Egypt this week, our continuing our discussion from last week of Joseph of Egypt. And we have a familiar face here. Who's with us? Oh, we're so glad to have Dr. S. Michael Wilcox back with us. And this is the third time, Hank. But I loved listening to Brother Wilcox.

And I've been so grateful for his teachings over the years. That book don't leap with the sheep. Just gave me a new way to try to teach what the scriptures teach. Really grateful for that. So he has a new book out called Holding On, Really Timely Book. And in the back of here, this is probably our most recent bio.

S. Michael Wilcox received his PhD from the University of Colorado and taught for many years at the Institute of Religion adjacent to the University of Utah. He's spoken to Pact Crows at BYU Education Week, hosted tours to the Holy Land to China. In fact, my brother and sister-in-law went with Mike to China and just loved it. To church history sites and beyond, he's also served in a variety of callings, including Bishop and Counselor and Estate Presidency. Written many articles and books. He and his late wife, Larry, are the parents of five children. And we're just really glad to have you back. I'm so looking forward to this.

Thank you. 14 grandchildren now. Maybe maybe one more. Congratulations. That's great. Yeah. Grandpa, is it grandpa Wilcox? Is that what they call you? Grandpa Mike? Well, they are some of them call me grandpa tall because the other guy isn't as tall as I am. It's like how am I the younger grandpa the taller? That's it. That's right. Yeah. We're very excited to have you. I'm sure everyone listening is as well. So let's take a look at Genesis and come into this the way you want to.

Okay. You know, there's just maybe two preliminary things. I hate to start with somebody that maybe nobody might be familiar with, but there's an English Christian apologetics. I kind of call him the CS Lewis of the previous generation in a lot of ways, GK Chesterton. He wrote a lot of beautiful things and he maybe hit the nail on the head about the problem with modern society. As interesting as 1905. So what he's going to say in 1905 is probably even more critical in 2022. And he gives a description that I can't think of anybody who

nails Joseph and many other characters in the Old Testament down quite so beautifully Testament down quite so beautifully and why it's worth the effort and time to study the Old Testament or any scripture. So this is what he says. There is a great gap in modern ethics. The absence of of vivid pictures of purity and spiritual triumph. And I'm gonna finish this quote or just second, but if I had to say what does the story of Joseph teach us or Ruth or Jonathan or Gideon or dozens of other is that you and I get vivid pictures of purity and spiritual triumph. The story of Joseph is a story of spiritual triumph. Now he goes on, he says, this absence of an enduring and positive ideal, This absence of a permanent key to virtue, I venture to

point out with increased firmness does leave us face to face with the problem of a human consciousness filled with very definitive images of evil, and with no or very little definitive image of good. So if you, the people are pretty much aware of what is evil, but I'm not sure we discuss what is the good life, the true life, the right way to live the best. I'm not sure people ask that question anymore. I'm not sure they think it as an answer. So you have in the Old Testament these wonderful stories that fills in that absence.

I understand what spiritual triumph is. I have a definitive view in a life of individuals of what goodness is, what true goodness is. I don't have to have long discussions about it or ethical rules. I just say, see Joseph, this is it. So that's one thing that I would commence with, that I always think about with Joseph, spiritual triumph, and Genesis ends with maybe the greatest spiritual triumph in the book of Genesis. The second thing I think we need to understand about Joseph and Genesis is the very first book of Scripture that God gives. The first book that anybody was going to read. The book that's been around the longest. Therefore, we could assume has some of the most critical lessons for the human experience.

Is essentially a book about family. It's really the story of family relationships. As if God is saying, this is what I want you to get right. And so this is what we're going to start with. We're going to start with family. And I'm going to show you all the relationships and you'll see successes at it. And you'll see failures at it. And you'll see how people interact interact and so you pick the stories. I have husband and wife relationships right after the creation. That's the first thing we're introduced to. I have Adam and Eve. I have Abraham and Sarah, Abraham and Heygar.

I have Rebecca and Isaac, Jacob Rachel and Leah, all these husband and wife. And I watch how they operate. I have parent-child. You know, one of the great themes of Genesis is a covenant wife is worth any effort to obtain. That's kind of the first theme. But I also have parent-child relationships. And nowhere do you sense the importance of that

as greatly as Rachel's cry to Jake, you give me children or else I die. The value, the blessing of children. And I watch Abraham and Isaac, I watch Jacob and Joseph, Jacob and his other children. I watch the parent child interactions. of Jacob and his other children, I watched the parent child interactions. Rebecca and Jacob and then the last one is siblings. I have all the sibling relationships. Jacob and E.S.E.E. is again, Ishmaelcane and Abel and the greatest of all the sibling stories, Joseph and his brothers. And most of those sibling stories are stories of reconciliation.

And they're beautiful because of that. And we'll talk about, I think, one of the two greatest messages of Joseph's life, it has to do with that, certainly, with that theme of family. And almost whatever situation you might find yourself in, you'll probably find a family situation in Genesis. My mother raised me, you know, alone. She was a single mother raising children. Well what story in Genesis is a single mother raising children, hoping God will help her. And for me, Hey, Gar and Ishmael is a profoundly beautiful story.

If we're all single mothers out there, there's that wonderful story of a desperate mother. Water spent in the bottle puts Ishmael under the bush. But Ishmael's name means God hears. But Ishmael's name means God hears. And God hears them, and he takes care of them. And as a child, that story, and growing up, just the sentence, and God was with the lad, was a powerful story, hope for my mother. So as you go through, and you probably talked about some of these things already with people,

but I just like to highlight the importance of So as you go through and you probably talked about some of these things already with people, but I just like to highlight the importance of all those relationships that the book of Genesis is trying to help us understand. I remember you once talking about your dad even, the long time it took for you to understand your dad, years ago that you told that story, but it was. I may reference that today because there is a there is a principle in Joseph's life that I learned in my relationship with my father. That maybe will be helpful for people.

So there's a kind of the two, the family theme and spiritual triumph. The are need to see. You know, I kind of break Joseph down when I teach it into, seven or eight truths, principles, life applications, whatever you wanna call them. The scriptures need to be relevant so that I try and capture just in a phrase or a sentence.

So maybe I just go through those, some of those, and we'll look at it. Most people know the story very well, so I don't know that we need to go through it quite chronologically, but when making decisions, think of their long-term impact on others, even those not yet born. When does Joseph's problems start? When does this family become in a modern term somewhat dysfunctional? Jacob's family is a somewhat dysfunctional family.

Who starts the problem with Joseph and his brothers? It is not started when he gets the coat of many color. It's started by Laban. Grandpa starts the problems. And how does grandpa start the problems? Grandpa sneaks Leah into the wedding bed when Jacob is expecting Rachel. And that sets up wedding bed when Jacob is expecting Rachel. And that sets up a conflict that Joseph and his brothers will grow up in this family tension. Names in Genesis are really critical. So you always look at the name. Often the name of the child carries the message of the story We'll look at that with E from a manassah. So as Rachel She's married to Jacob a week later. You know, he works 14 years But he doesn't wait another seven years Rachel is in child bearing years and no father and the culture of the time is gonna

Say well, let's wait another seven years when you could be having children. So, Rachel's probably a young, young girl when Jacob meets her, maybe 10-11. They marry and then we start what I call the baby Derby. This competition, again, it's family. A competition between Rachel and Leah, who can produce the sons and the children for Jacob and Leah, you know, the score at the end of chapter 29 is for it, nothing. Leah. But what is the critical part about that is the meaning of the names. So Ruben means, look a son. Who is she saying that to? She's saying that to Jacob and an ascents a little bit of in your face to Rachel. And then this poignant phrase, now therefore my husband will love me. Boy, you can't help but feel that. Simeon means to hear, I got heard, I was hated.

Levi means to join, and Leah says, now will my husband be joined unto me? Judah means praise. I will praise the Lord. Now those boys grew up with those names. What impact do you think that had? Especially in a society where the meaning of the name was critical, critical. And this is when Rachel says, give me children, or else I die. And she gives Bill Ha and Dan comes, which means to judge. God is judged and also heard my voice.

Nathalie is in Eastern one. Nathalie means to wrestle. And Rachel says, with great wrestling, have I wrestled with my sister? Now you're a little boy growing up in this conflict, this tension that Jacob didn't ask for. Rachel didn't ask for. Grandpa started it. You know, I guess Leah could have whispered in the, you know, on the night, hey, Jacob,

it's me, Leah, and stopped it. She could have stopped the consummation. She doesn't. Leah counters in the baby derby with Zilpa giving her maid to Jacob. And now you have the first son and what does Leah say? She calls his name Gadd, which means a troop. Oh, this is an in your face name because she says, a troop coming. Okay, the scores four to two, Rachel. I have a troop coming. I'm going to have a whole football team when I'm done with this thing.

Okay. Anyway, you get the picture It continues that that way and then asher asher, which is happy asher got a good name 62. Yeah, 62. Okay Then Leah you have the little mandrake story and I was again, this isn't the what we're talking about So what's pass it by. But Leah has another son called Isacar, which she kind of hired by giving her a mandrake to Rachel. And Isacar means there's a recompense.

Zebulon means to dwell. And Leah says, now will my husband dwell with me. And finally Rachel has Joseph and then Benjamin. And she dies. Now in the legal understanding of the day, who is the first wife of Jacob? Legally, who's the first wife? Leah. She's married one week before Rachel. Therefore, legally, culturally, the accepted norms of their society, who's the first born son that carries the birthright, the double portion, and the leadership when Jacob dies. Who would that be? Ruben. That'd be Ruben.

That'd be Ruben, Leo's first born son. Joseph is number what? He's down the line. He's 11. Even Dina is older than Joseph, the daughter. But Jacob feels that is not fair to Rachel. So in Jacob's mind, who is the first wife? Rachel. Rachel is. Therefore in Jacob's mind, who is the first born son that carries the birthright?

Joseph is. But that doesn't go down good with the family. But that doesn't go down good with the family. So, Laban causes the problem. That's where the conflict starts. And so I say the first great message of Joseph's life is given before he's ever born. It's a lesson for all of us who kind of think I'm only hurting myself. It's my life. I can do what I want with it. Who think in the more immediate nows instead of the long term. And so I say to all of us to myself when making decisions, think of the long term impact

on others, those decisions are going to have, especially even those not yet born. So that's the first great takeaway. Elder Holland gave a talk called a prayer for the children in which he said sometimes we write checks that come out of our grandchildren's pockets in far greater ways than we ever intended. Yeah. Wasn't it you might have talked about the cattle

that would push against the fence? Right, yeah, don't look grass. The cows that weaken the fence when I was a boy at the ranch, made holes in the fence, broke the post. The cows never strayed through the fence, but the calves did. The cows went through the holes that the cows made. That's a critical thing to understand.

There's an Old Testament phrase that explains it really well. The parents have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge. So when you eat something kind of sour, it makes your teeth kind of tingle. And saying the parents ate the grapes, but the kids pay the consequences. So I don't blame totally Joseph. Joseph is a little tackless, maybe he's the kid. We go further into the story. I think he's probably

hoping that his dreams maybe would be helpful in cement in his position. Jacob doesn't give him the coat of many color because I love him better. He gives him the coat as an outward physical symbol that I consider Joseph the first born son of the first wife. And we're told that his brothers hated him, couldn't speak peaceably to him. This is a, like I say, a dysfunctional family in many ways. It's a very real family. I can't imagine any families today having problems like this. Right. And you have the simile relationships. Again, Genesis is to teach us about families and how

to handle things. Sarah and Hagar have a little spat. Hagar is a little insensitive to Sarah's longing for a child. She gets a little uppity. And Sarah deals, doesn't react too well to that. She deals hardly with her. I can remember saying a phrase to Laurie that we had in our relationship that could defuse situations because there was a little humor to it. And I would say, Laurie, I was insensitive and you overreacted. Laurie, I was insensitive and you overreacted. And that's a very good description of a lot of relationships in families. We could say, Hey, Gar was insensitive and Sarah overreacted. So they have to come to reconciliation and Hey, Gar does.

She goes back and the Lord asks her a question, how did you get here? You know, how did you get here? You know, how did you get here? You think of what caused the crisis and you'll recognize it as part of your fault. I was insensitive and you overreacted. That's right. I was insensitive and that's a standard. You see it in a lot of stories,

but you certainly see it in Sarah and Hagar. All these relationships in Genesis, somebody asked me, could you recommend a good book on how to have good family relationships? I'd say, oh, sure, read Genesis with that question in mind. And look at all the relationships, husband, wife, parent, child, siblings, Abraham, a lot. You even have a kind of an uncle nephew. You've got all the relationships and you just look at him. This is God's first message. You really want us to understand how to operate in these families. And he doesn't show us perfect families. These are, these families

have challenges. That's part of the beauty of it. But arising out of it, you get these spiritual triumphs. Eson, Jacob, and Bracene. That's as good as the prodigal son. And nothing is better than the prodigal son. Yeah, I would say when I've read Joseph first as a kid, I thought the things he says, he's not making any friends. I'd say, yeah, he's... Can you keep your dreams to yourself?

Yeah. But he's young. You know, he's maybe when he, we don't know. He's 17 when he's sold. And we don't know what was he 14 when he got a job. How many 14-year-olds have a lot of discretion? Right. 15-year-olds.

Yeah. Maybe he wanted to help the matter. I don't know. We'll talk about how those dreams are fulfilled, certainly much different than I think any of them realized it was not a negative fulfillment, but a very positive fulfillment. So second, the second truth, we won't spend much time on it because it really happens before chapter 42, which we'll get into. And that is, if you find yourself living the unexpected life, make the best of it. And don't get mad at God. Joseph really teaches that he never expected it to end up sold into slavery.

And then accused by Potterford, you had covered all that last week. This is an unexpected life that doesn't turn out the way he dreamed it if we can say it that way. And sometimes when the unexpected life hits us, we can get mad. And Joseph never gets mad at God. And God brings him through. He makes the best of that life. And eventually, after 13 years of not so good, he's aged 30 when he stands before Pharaoh, we're told

that. So, so I mean, that's 13 years. And then things change. But he's so easy to get mad at God to what I call jump off the pinnacle. That's that second temptation of Jesus that used to be wilderness. How in the world was that? Attemptation. I'm going to jump off a cliff or a high building. No way. What do you think? I'm stupid. But the temptation was prove God cares for you and will protect you and shield you from Stubbing your toe and Jesus's answer is I don't need to prove that I Won't tempt God And that story you get that store where that comes from in Exodus a little bit later

So I think Joseph never jumps off the tower. He's living an unexpected life, but he makes the best of it and He doesn't get mad at God. Both of my sisters became single mothers, and that was never the expectation, that was never the hope, that was not the dream. They have done incredible things with their situation. Yeah, and they have Hagar in Ishmael as a beautiful example to say, God will be with your children. You know, God was with the lad. God was with me growing up.

I tell my sisters, they remind me of Joseph. They were handed a bad situation. Joseph to me is the epitome of keep at it. Right. Yeah. Keep at it. Do what you can with what you've been given and Right, yeah. Keep at it. Do what you can with what you've been given and one day your day will come. And the reason that we can believe that and you know, is the third principle and the one that is one of the two major,

major truths that Joseph's life teaches. And it's such an important one that it's taught in all scriptures multiple times. And I would state it this way, God can turn all negatives into positives, drawing on the meaning of Joseph's two sons' names. God can turn all negatives into positives, and make us fruitful even in the land of our afflictions. So just before we get into 42, and everything's reversed for Joseph, he interprets Pharaoh's dreams, he marries a sceneth, and he has two sons. In Genesis 41, 51 and 52, he names the sons.

And remember names in Genesis are real important. They carry the message. Isaac means to laugh or rejoice. And the message of that story is at the end of a long, painful, waiting for God to fulfill his promises to you. You get Isaac. You get laughed, you get rejoicing. Abraham had two tests, not one yet a lot. I think the most difficult test of Abraham was waiting decades for God to fulfill his promises. If a sacrifice of Isaac was an intensity of tests, the other tests was an enduring test.

For decades they waited for that promise to be fulfilled. But God finally does. So here's Joseph in 51. He called the name of the first born Manasseh. Now what is the meaning of Manasseh? Manasseh means to forget. For God said, he have made me forget all my toil and all my father's house.

As many as forgot them, but he's forgot the pain that happened there. And the name of the second called he Ephraim, for God have caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction. Ephraim means fruitful or double fruit. So the names of those boys, I can't say it better. We're going to look at how it's repeated in the chapters

that we're going into. Now, I can't think of a better way of saying it, then God will make you fruitful in the land of your afflictions. That's the message of Joseph's life. If life sends you an egg at it, which life does, God will make you fruitful in the land of your afflictions. That's the message of Joseph's life. If life sends you an egg at it, which life does, God brings the vertical line down and gives you the positive to make the negative positive.

And that is why life is fair. That is why we don't complain because ultimately it's going to all be positive. Eliha says that to his son Jacob, you know the greatness of God. He will consecrate all my in afflictions for that gain. God's greatness is in his ability to turn negative into positives. Joseph and Liberty Jail is the ultimate one. There are all these things we'll give the experience of being for that good.

Paul and Romans, we know that all things work together for good to those that love God. And in the Old Testament, it is Joseph, is his story above all, and it's stated in the name of his children. Now we can go, I'm going to just skip over to chapter 45, which is one of the high points in Genesis, when Joseph tells his brothers who he is. And I'll come back to that. But we go to chapter 45, notice, because he understands that principle. Joseph, through his life, has been taught the principle, God makes negatives positive.

He can forgive his brothers and have reconciliation because he knows that. I've been fruitful in the land of my afflictions. I forget the bad. In verse 5 he says, now therefore, be not grieve nor angry with yourselves. That she sold me hither, for God did send me before you to preserve life. That's very gracious of Joseph. Verse 7, God sent me before you to preserve you a posterity in the earth and to save your

lives by a great deliverance. Verse 8, So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God. Now that's not quite true. Okay. They're like, I was there. I remember. Yeah, because you know, we also learn that Joseph begged his brothers not to do that. He hears them speaking about that. Let me give you one more place where that principle is taught. Jacob says, you want a life that faced a lot of adversity. You look at Jacob,

alienator from his family, cheated by Laban, married to a woman that he never wanted to be married to. His beloved Rachel dies young. He thinks Joseph is dead. The behavior of some of his other sons in Genesis isn't the most sterling. Levi and Simion slaughter a town overdine his rape. Ruben defiles Bilha.

There's an interest in this little off the subject, but again about family and Laban's influence. In the book of Joshua, which is another, tells the Genesis stories, we're given the reason why Ruben defiles Bilha. In Genesis, Rachel dies, and the very next verse after her burial is Ruben goes into Bilha and defiles her. And you say, what? Well, what is this all about? But in

book of jasher, Jacob removes his abode into Bilhaha's tent as the main place of his residence. And remember how bad Leah wanted Jacob to dwell with her and deliver there and to love her. wanted Jacob to dwell with her and deliver there and to love her. And these sons can see this. Jacob moves in at a billhust, 10, which is in a frontalia. And so Rubin defiles her to force his father into his mother's tent. Boy, that's a point. If that is true, and there's a certain true, and there's a certain legitimacy to that element of the story that fits. Then, that's tragic for Rubin, and that's tragic for Lee, and that's tragic for Jacob, and for everybody involved. When Rubin gets his patriarchal blessing at the end of Genesis, that episode is referred to by Jacob.

So, you come back to that, be careful that your decisions don't impact really, really badly. Your children, not that they don't have agency and that they could handle things better, but a lot of pressures have been placed on this family. Can you tell our audience about the book of jasher and what that is? Well, there's a lot of apocryphal, we might call them. They're called pseudopigrifle, right? A pseudo-pretended pygrif signature. So you have both old and new testament,

other books never made the canon. There's some books in the Catholic Bible that made the canon that didn't make it in the Protestant Bible that we used. So you read those books with the same spirit that Joseph Smith was told by God in section 9 and one of the doctrine coverdance to read the apocrypha. When he asked, should I retranslate this? And the Lord says, no, you don't need to. Let people read it with the spirit and they'll benefit from it. So there's all kinds of other gospels and other writings, and there's other Old Testament books

that in order to give them authority, sometimes you gave them a name that made them sound more. I made the author. Yeah, not really the author, so to pretend it, yes, so to. So the book of Joshua has a lot of those stories. You know, there are stories about one of the sons of Jacob picking up a one ton rock and throwing that as an amazing and you're saying, ah, yeah, this is kind of a little

bit of heroic exaggeration. You're going to get a little of that heroic exaggeration in stories like David and Goliath, okay? It's the way you tell stories in an ancient time. That'd be a good title of my autobiography, I think. Heroic exaggeration. Heroic exaggeration. Yeah. But there's also stories in those that do you read them and you say, there is some truth in this.

I don't have to say, thus it was, but when I read that about Ruben, I say, boy, that really rings true. There's something about that. So anyway, we go to chapter 48 to Jacob is going to bless Joseph's children now. This is when he switches the hands, you know, because he's going to give E from the blessing. But notice what Jacob says to continue to emphasize this theme that God turns negative as depositives and can make us forget our toil and make us fruitful in the land of our afflictions. Verse 15, he blessed Joseph and said, God before whom my father's Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day.

And he's not feeling sorry for the tough life he's lived. The angel which redeemed me from all evil. And that's the theme. There's the theme again. You see the theme in the naming of the sons. You see it in Joseph's words to his brothers. God sent me here, not you. And you see it in Jacob coming to the end of his life, looking back on his life and realizing God redeemed me from all the evil that came into my life. I have no complaints. Life has been fair and good to me in spite of the challenges that I lived. So that's a powerful truth of Genesis. It's one of the major principles of

truth that Joseph life is teaching us. Reminds of first-efe, one-one. He starts right out with, I've seen many afflictions, but I feel highly favored of the Lord, right? I'm even grateful for my sins. And when I say that, people say, you know, I always like to say, well, I didn't do a lot of really big ones.

Okay. But none of us are going to get through life without making some mistakes and some things that cause often some real heart-wrenching memory that we could have handled things better. William Faulkner once said, for those to whom sin is just a word, forgiveness is just a word also. Wow. So even the mistakes I made in my life that caused me grief, God says, we'll bring good out of that. You'll learn humility and empathy and compassion and mercy and understanding.

You'll be less likely to judge and condemn and criticize other people. And that's a good thing to come out of it. I like that phrase in Moses six, they taste the bitter that they might know to price the good. Oh, I don't go there again. That was horrible. You know, and in that way, you've got a taste of opposition and all things and you know, I don't want to go there again. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. He fed me all my life that Jacob says he shepherded me. Yeah, he did. Right. That's that's a beautiful one. And it's at the end of his life. Yeah, he's looking back and you've got to look at that statement in light of all this happened to Jacob because Jacob

did not have an easy life He had a child. I could say well some of them maybe came from himself Well, that's true of all of us, you know So now that we're on Jacob. Let's let's go back to chapter 42 There's a kind of a corollary. This is my next truth from the life of Joseph and this last part of the Genesis. And I say it this way, things that appear to be against you may in reality be blessings. They may be for you, just the opposite of what you perceive. 42, there's famine in the land. Now, it's 20 years later since they sold him

because he's 17 when they sell him. He's 30 when he stands before Pharaoh. There are seven years of harvest. We're in the famine years now. And so Jacob says, it's a nice many, many point. Why do you stand here looking at each other? You know, do something. Okay. Sometimes when problems come, we just stand around looking at each other. Okay. So that's 42 one. That's why do you look one upon another? In other

words, everybody's waiting for somebody else to solve the problem. And that's, you know, my mind reels with sarcastic comments about political institutions, et cetera, and so forth. Don't just stand there. You know, where everybody just stands around stairs and nobody does anything. So we don't want to stand around. So there is a solution, go down in Egypt and buy corn or grain. So they go down and they don't want to stand around. So there is a solution, go down into Egypt and buy corn or grain. So they go down and they don't recognize Joseph, but he recognizes them. They bow down before him, which is a fulfillment of his dream,

but it's not the important fulfillment. The important fulfillment is not a groveling bowing. The important fulfillment is a gratitude bowing, which is the fulfillment of that. Verse 21, What is Joseph wondering? Who's not there? Benjamin's not there. Well, you're Joseph. The last you saw your brothers, they were exchanging you for silver. Why? Because of this conflict in the family started all the way back with Laban. So Rachel has one last child. What is a natural assumption for Joseph to make when he here comes the 10 brothers and that and Benjamin's out there? What's his natural assumption? Did you sell Benjamin to? Where is he? Yeah. Where's Benjamin? So he wants to find that out.

Now they tell him he's alive, he's still up there with his father. And then you begin to see the spiritual triumph of Joseph. And verse 21, he can hear them. You know, Joseph says, you go carry the corn back to famine, save your families, but bring your younger brother next time you come because he knows this is going to last for seven years, six more years. And they'll be back. Okay.

They'll be back. He knows that. He listens to them because he can understand their language. They said in verse 21, they said one to another, we are verily guilty concerning our brother in that we saw the anguish of his soul when he besought us and we would not hear. Therefore is this distress come upon us. This is 2021, 22 years. They are still guilty. You want to see the power of guilt in a person's life. You see it in what the brothers say. And now Joseph learned something about his brothers, about Rubin. Rubin, answer them. Spake, I not unto you saying, do not sin against the child

and you would not hear. Therefore, behold, also his blood is required. They knew not that Joseph understood them. What does Joseph now know about his oldest brother? He wasn't part of it. And that is why which brother does he remain as a slave or in captivity in Egypt? The second oldest brother, Simeon, okay? He sends Ruben back. You get a lot of, this is human nature. He sends Ruben back with the others and keeps Simeon. But his attitude is already forgiveness. Verse 24, does Joseph say, I'm getting a little am I?

I'm glad you guys are writh riding in guilt all these 20 years. No, it's one of the many weepings of Joseph. Count the weepings of Joseph when you go through there, turn himself about for them and wept. It's not, I get a little of my own back. He feels for them, He feels for them and he can feel for them we're going to get to that principle about forgiveness, but I want to do this other one with Jacob. Sometimes we think, oh, so and so got away with murder. They got away with it, but 22 years of having that memory of your brother, what in his anguish of his soul begging you not to do this, and just remembering that. It's not gonna end here. They're gonna carry it right to Genesis 50.

Right to the very end, they're gonna carry that guilt and that agony. They're gonna have, we'll talk about that when we get there too. Anyway, he takes a semi in and sends them back and he puts the money back. He doesn't want lack of money to stop him from coming back. So they go back and now we get this principle, things that appear to be against you,

may in reality be blessing. So look at 42, 36. They come back to Jacob and they tell him what happened, that we don't get to go back down without Benjamin. And Jacob, their father, said unto them, Me have ye bereaved of my children. Joseph is not. Now pause. Is that true? Is Joseph not?

He's still around. He's still alive in a good position. But Jacob doesn't know that. And Simeon is not. Is that true? No. Simeon is still alive. Simeon is going to be fine.

And he will take Benjamin away. Is that true? Why did you mention this. Is that true? No, he's made three statements that appear to be true in his life situation, but none of them are. And then he says, as he thinks of being bereaved of his children, all these things are against me. Now, is that true?

No, all of these things are working for him. He just doesn't understand they're working for him. And that's one of the reasons that the Andy can say, God redeem me from all the evil of my life. He's going to give him with the cup in Benjamin Sack, you know, the Benjamin Colipso from Joseph the technical dream cup. He's going to give the brothers a gift. And it's a gift of knowing I would not repeat the mistake of my youth. Given the opportunity to repeat the mistake, I would not do it again. And that's a great gift you give some. So they take Benjamin and they go back. And now we're too,

I think, the second of the two big truths of Joseph's life. One God will make all negative, positive. The other is deals with family and this is such a hard one for people sometimes. And I stay at this way, when someone sins against you, or when someone hurts you, you. Forgive them, especially if they are members of your family. And that is a great theme through Genesis. If somebody hurts you or sins against you, forgive them, especially if they're members of your family. There's a corollary. That is so hard, Mike. Oh my gosh, that's hard. I can see why you say every time you bring it up people probably think, oh Well, every time I bring it up, you know, I

When I do Israel and Egypt, I teach Joseph on the Nile. We're floating down the Nile in Joseph's world and I teach it I have yet to do a trip where somebody on out of those 85 for so people that are with me, after I've talked about that, comes up and they talk about family difficulties. Now, there's always coral areas and exceptions and I'm going to kind of deal with that in what I call the coming near principle. That doesn't always mean that you allow toxic relationships and harmful and hurtful relationships to continue in forgiveness. Okay. It is the beautiful element in this story. Families will need to forgive each other. And rarely do I hear a story from a family that I think is out of the range of the Joseph story where I would say,

yeah, I don't know that you should continue that relation. A lot of them are about money and inheritances and business divisions. And people put their grievances ahead of the relationship. And Joseph won't do that. Well, they come again in 43 and we get our second weeping, Joseph. When he sees Benjamin, 43, 36, Joseph made haste for his bowels did urine upon his brother. And he sought where to weep, and he entered into his chamber and wept there. And washed his face and went out and refrained himself and said, set on bread, and then he lines them all up in order of their birth, which makes them a little bit nervous. And now we get to 44, and they're going to send them back with the food and he puts the silver cup in Benjamin's bag.

Now again, what's the purpose of this? He wants to know if they really are true men. That's what they said. They said were true men. He's going to give them a great opportunity to redeem themselves in their own eyes and in his and in Jacobs, or a great opportunity to get rid of the last of Rachel's sons, the last obstacle. Have you changed or you still the same? That's what he's going to give him the chance to do and Judah Gives that beautiful speech starting in verse 16 You know, don't take the time to go through it. It's a beautiful speech

Where Judah acknowledges Painful maybe if I don't I gave assurances to my father, I'd bring Benjamin back because the life of my father is tied up in this youngest child. Take me instead. That's kind of maybe a hard thing to say. If I don't go back, my father will be grieved. He was grieved with the simian, didn't, but I won't kill him. But if Benjamin doesn't go, you'll bring the gray hairs of my father down to the grave,

and he'll never recover from it. So it's such a beautiful pleying and Joseph can't help but respond to Judah. Judah's different. They've changed. They're different people. And so 45, Joseph could not refrain himself before all of them. That stood by him and he cried, cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man while Joseph made himself none unto his brother and he wept aloud. Probably for the first time, he doesn't have to go hide somewhere. He weeps in front of them.

And you can imagine what they're thinking. Here's the screen. Our lyser in his hand and he is weeping. And he sent all the Egyptians away. Send everybody away. How are you going to talk to us? Yeah, the translators. It's always nice to put yourself in the position

of everybody in a scriptural story. And verse three, Joseph said into his brethren, I am Joseph, Doth my father yet live. He still isn't sure they've really been talking true to him. And his brethren could not answer him for they were troubled at his presence.

I should think they would be yeah What just happened I always call that shut the front tent flap. Yeah, well that did They weren't ex they weren't expecting that and Joseph said into his brethren. I think for the most beautiful words in Genesis Come near Come near to me. I pray you and they came near. And he said, I am Joseph, your brother whom he sold into Egypt. And then those gracious words we looked at earlier earlier don't be grieved or angry with yourselves.

I know you are because I overheard you talking about it. But I don't want you. I want you to see God's made it all good and there's a purpose in it. And I'm okay. I'm fine. My granddaughter, my whole granddaughter is adopted and she's 22 married now and she wanted to see her birth mother. Her birth mother, you know, a young woman who, you know, got pregnant and could have aborted my granddaughter didn't and she's born and I have this beautiful, beautiful,

lovely young woman in my family. And she wanted to tell her birth mother, thank you, for giving me birth. And to say to her, I'm okay. Everything turned out all right. I'm okay. I'm a strong member of the church. I'm going, I've been married in the temple. I have a wonderful husband. I'm okay. You know, don't. Everything turned out all right. And that's what Josie was doing with his brothers. The theme that the church has chosen for the youth this year is the Proverbs 3.5 Trust in the Lord with all nine heart and the reason that I just love how this parallels that what you have been saying is that With with time all these things

I mean Joseph It resists Potiphar's wife, and what does he get for that? More time in prison, and here's another thing. What was the way? Things that appear to be against you may be blessings. And those verses in 45, 5, 6, and 7, God did this, God, and as you said, he turned a bad thing, actually they did it. Those brothers did it, but he turned that bad thing into something good, and Joseph continued to trust the Lord. Yeah, there is actually brought it.

You can see how beat up my great divorce is by CS Lewis. People maybe don't know who Chesterton was, but they certainly know who C.S. Lewis was. And in the Great Divorce, he has, C.S. Lewis's mentor was a congregational minister named George McDonald, and he escorts Lewis on this trip in the Great Divorce. And he says, son, you cannot in your present state understand eternity. But you can get some likeness of it if you say that both good and evil when they are full-grown are retrospective. All this earthly past will have been heaven to those who are saved. All their life on earth, too, will be seen by the dam to have been hell.

That is what mortals misunderstand. They say of some temporal suffering, no future bliss can make up for it. Not knowing that heaven once attained will work backwards, and turn even that agony into a glory. Or they say, have some sinful pleasure. Let me have but this and I will take the consequences. The good, both processes, excuse me, a little dreaming, how damnation will spread back and back into their past and contaminate the pleasure of them. Both processes begin even before death. The good man's past begins to change, so that is forgiven sins and remembered sorrows take on the quality of heaven. And the bad man's past already conforms to his badness and is filled only with drurness,

and that is why at the end of all things when the sun rises here in heaven, and the twilight turns to blackness down there, the blessed will say, we have never lived anywhere except in heaven. And the lost, we were always in hell, and both will speak truth. And the saved, what happens to them is best described as the opposite of a mirage. What seemed when they entered it to be the veil of misery turns out when they look back to have been a well, and where present experience saw only salt deserts, memory, truthfully records that the pools were full of water. That's Joseph's. He understands it. And because he understands

it, he can forgive. He can forgive fully, and he can initiate what I call the coming near. And so as another principle, if we want, I say it this way, if possible, invite or initiate the coming near. It's a reconciliation. It's not just forgiveness, but it's a restructuring of the relationship that has been damaged or wounded. And that's why I like verse 4, Joseph's Center's brother, come near to me. I pray you. And they came near. We go to verse 10 of Genesis 45. He's telling, thou shalt dwell in the land of Goshen. Thou shalt be near unto me,

thou end thy children, end thy children's children. You see that same thing. If you know, we go back to Jacob and Esau, the other really beautiful forgiveness story when he comes back. Look at the wording in Genesis 33 as Jacob terrified that Esau is going to kill him and his family. He's still angry. But, you know, Esau, bless his heart and what a good example. He's not, he's not coming to kill his race, coming to greet him and welcome him because Esau is over it. Jacob doesn't know that. He thinks things are going to turn out bad. So Genesis 33, he passed over before them, Jacob, and bowed himself to the ground seven times

until he came near to his brother. And then he brings the family of verse 6, then the handmaids came near, they and their children, they bowed themselves. And Leah also with her children came near and bowed themselves and after came Joseph near and Rachel and they bowed themselves. Joseph is seen in his younger life and all the brothers, a beautiful example of family reconciliation, sibling forgiveness, and a coming year. What's the most beautiful forgiveness story in all scripture? I think it's the pinnacle of all stories of all, a story. And it's a fictional story. It's told by Jesus.

The prodigal son. The prodigal son. What's the verse that initiates Luke chapter 15? Who is he telling that prodigal too? We get a little distracted in thinking Jesus is telling the prodigal son for the hearing of the Pharisees. He's telling the prodigal son for the hearing of the prodigals. He's telling the prodigal son for the hearing of the publicans in the centers. So Luke 15 verse 1 begins then drew near all the publicans and centers for to hear. There is just something beautiful in the coming near if I can do it. You know, you mentioned my father, my father left the family. I can give an example of it.

When I was a child, when I was a baby, there are problems in his life and challenges. My mother never really spoke negatively of my father, but he had nothing to do with my raising, nothing. Now, when I was a little bit older and as a student of BYU, I began to initiate a little bit of interaction with my father. My father was not a bad man. He was a weak man in some ways.

He had challenges in his life that he just couldn't overcome which led to his abandoning in the family. So, you know, I've talked about forgiveness. You're 14 and you want to forgive your father for this. You want to be a peace concerning it and you pray for it. Nothing comes. And there's a principle in life. God sometimes life has to create a holding place in your heart for God to put the answer. So I'm not getting answers.

God's not helping me reconcile with my father because I don't have a holding place to put the answer that I need. Life will have to create it. And so I've told the story a lot for people. I, you know, 18, 19 year praying. Let me be at peace concerning my, my relationship with my father and what happened in the past. And no answer nothing. You know, I got, I go on a mission, I got married, I had two daughters. Finally, I had two boys. My first little, my two oldest sons. And one was six and one was at two,

and I was preparing a talk on families. And I was gonna talk about my mother. My mother was my mother was my haigar. It's only worried about me. We were a haigar-ishmal family. And I was gonna talk about my mother. But the Spirit said, talk about your father. I'm thinking, what am I going to say about my father?

My father was not a part of my life. But it caused me to think about my father. Just then my two sons came into the room. And my mind was just filled by the spirit of all the happy things I shared with those two boys. Simple things, piggyback rides and walks by the pond and blowing out birthday candles and carving Halloween pumpkins, trick-or-treating Christmas morning, their first talk, listening to their prayers, all those, I just, and I love those boys. I looked at those two boys and I just, I just thought, what a wonderful thing it is to be a father

and to have boys. I'm not trying to be sexist. I loved my daughters. They had wonderful memories of my daughters, but for the answer to fit enough for forgiveness to come, I had to have sons and have memories with those sons. And now I have a place for God to put the answer. I had to have sons and have memories with those sons. And now I have a place for God to put the answer.

Now I get to forget all my toil and realize that I can be fruitful. And the Lord said, now that you are a father, now that you know a father's love and a father's joy, would you be the son who lost his father or the father who lost his son? And I wept, just like Joseph, I wept and wept and wept. Not for me, I wept for my father. I knew the tragedy of my father's life. I knew what he missed. And the easiest thing in the world

for me to forgive was my father. And I think when Joseph listens to his brothers and he understands, it is not hard for him to forgive them. But there's more. You know, then the spirit begins to say, now you need to initiate the coming near. My father could not be a father and have those joys, but he could be a grandfather and know a grandfather's joys. And so, my wife and I, we involved my father in everything we could. He blew our birthday candles with his grandchildren and went to Christmas mornings with his grandchildren and trick-or-treating with his grandchildren and listen to him pray and listen to their

talk. We tried to say, come near to me. And one of the best things I ever did in life was not just to forgive my father. That would have been enough. But God knew there was better and wonderful things coming. The best thing, one of the best things I did in life was to say to my father, come near unto me, come near unto me, be near unto me. And you're right, Mike, it's not a reconciliation how things were.

It's a restructure. It is. Yeah, after a wound. And I love Joseph for that. Now, it's not always possible to initiate the coming year. I think the coming year, I think God wants the forgiveness. And the forgiveness comes when we realize that he can make up for him. And notice that when he names Manasseh, the word isn't just forgiveness, the word is forget. There's a power in God. We see in his forgiveness, Jeremiah 31 speaks

of it, the doctrine and covenant speaks of it, but we get it in Jeremiah 31 when the Lord says, I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more. I think we need to take God at His word. We worship a forgiving God. We also also worship a forgetting God. There is forgetting in the forgiveness. Now, I know God's omniscient. I don't want to question his omniscience, but I can hear God say to me, my omniscience, Mike, has no desire to remember every folly and every mistake and every sin that you ever made. I don't want to remember those. Would you take me at my word when I say I forget them? I forget them. I remember them no more. And that's a high, high level of forgiveness. I don't know if Joseph gets there in life, but I like that

Manasseh is God has caused me to forget all my toil. There comes a point when we need to forget. And God does. I truly believe his omniscience has no desire to remember the sins of men. And I need to get to where I can do that with others and myself. Is that what Jesus meant maybe with? Remember Lot's wife, she just turned around, right? She's looking backwards. Don't look backwards. Look forwards. Forget. Yeah, if we, if we can. Now, if I had thought my father would have been dangerous to my

children, if there had been a toxic relationship or had been harmful, I could not have initiated or invited the coming near. But my father was not going to harm me or some people may be in abuse of situations where you can't invite the coming near. But in as much as you can invite the coming near, I think that is a mature level of forgiveness that Joseph teaches us. I think Jesus exuded, radiated the invitation for publicans and sinners to come near. That's why they came near to Him. And He told the most beautiful story in all literature to publicans and sinners because they drew near. And they knew they could draw near and that there was no condemnation in him and he would forget their sins. Not just forgive their sins, but he would forget their sins. Heyven uses that Jacob Esau language, right? He fell on his neck and kissed him.

Probably the sins. He does. And I get it here. We go back to Genesis 45. That's a good take-in. You go get my father now, he says, and bring him down. And then 14, he fell upon his brother Benjamin's neck and wept. Joseph, you know, he needed for Christmas a handkerchief because he's done a lot of weeping here. And Benjamin wept upon his neck. Moreover, he kissed, he hydrated, he kissed all his brethren and wept upon them. And after that, his brethren talked with him. That's a beautiful 45-15. You know, sometimes I think if God said, I'll let you go back in time and you can witness some scriptural moments. I'll give you four or five of them, you know, whatever. I mean, I'd want a hundred of them, but if only God a few, this would certainly be one that would do good for all of us to witness.

One would do good for all of us to witness. Some of the most beautiful scenes in all of Shakespeare's plays are reconciliation scenes. He really believed in it. And he penned some for the theater and theater designed for people to see. It's more emotive. Beautiful reconciliation scenes, beautiful, beautiful scenes in the tempest in King Lear, in Winters' Tale, in Paracles. It was very, very important to him, and I think it's important in the scriptures. I visualize that kissed all his brethren and leapt upon them. And then they tell Jacob, it's always one of my favorite parts in the scripture. Joseph is alive,

and not only that, he runs. Yeah. Yeah. Wait for this part. Jacob's heart fainted. Yeah. And then he goes and Jacob, now you go to chapter 46, verse 29, I get another weeping, see? When Jacob comes, and Joseph made ready his chariot and went up to me, Israel, his father, to Goshen, and presented himself to them, and he fell on his neck and wept on his neck. I like the last three

words. Words a good while. He wept on his father's neck. How many how many years are we talking about that they've been separate? Well, there's probably 22. I think he says I probably can't pinpoint that verse. I think he says, it's the second, they're into the second year by now. So that would be 22 years. 22 years. If he was sold at 17, then he's approximately 39. Yeah, roughly. Yeah, at this time.

So then they come down, then you get the little thing, that's another principle you probably talked about it earlier with Pharaoh's dreams. But chapter 47 is everybody coming and Joseph buying, getting all their money and their land on their cattle. And one of the other great principles of the Joseph story is in times of feasting, prepare for times of famine because the

famine is always going to come. Ferrasa came in 2008, 2009, it came with COVID, you know, so the feast famine, feast famine. So when things are good, you prepare for time time when things are bad. Please join us for part two of this podcast.