Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - Hosea, Joel Part 1 • Dr. Aaron Schade • Nov. 7 - 13

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

How is Hosea a love story between God and His people? Dr. Aaron Schade examines the symbolism of the Bride and Bridegroom and the deep and everlasting love between God and covenant Israel.Please rate and review the podcast!Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.co/old-testament/Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/follow-him-a-come-follow-me-podcast/id1545433056Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/15G9TTz8yLp0dQyEcBQ8BYThanks to the follow HIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Executive Producers, SponsorsDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsIgor Willians: Portuguese Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

Welcome to Follow Him, a weekly podcast dedicated to helping individuals and families with their Come Follow Me study. I'm Hank Smith and I'm John by the way, we love to learn, we love to laugh, we want to learn and laugh with you. As together we follow him. Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith, I am your host and I am here with my co-host who is gracious and merciful and slow to anger and of great kindness.

John, when I read Joel chapter two, I thought of you that you are gracious and merciful and slow to anger. I don't think I've ever seen you angry. Have you ever really? I think people would want to know that. I don't think I I ever seen you angry. I've known you for a long time. When is the last time you got angry?

Was it like 2006 or something? I can be irritable almost daily, but I try not to be angry. Oh, okay. I can be irritable. I can be irritated. John, the other one I thought of as I read Joel too, but I just didn't want to do this because it just says, you're old men, Shell Dream Dreams. I'm just going to ask you how your dreams have been lately, but I thought that would be mean. So I went with Joel to 13. I would dream dreams if I slept that well.

Yeah. That's probably the beauty of old men shall dream dreams are like, wow, the old men get to sleep. I think as you get older, you fall asleep when you're not supposed to, and you can't sleep when you're trying to. Well, a message from the church of Jesus Christ, ladies. All right. Hey, John, we are in the books of Hosea and Joel today. Probably not ones that our listeners are very familiar with. And so we wanted to bring someone who knew these books backwards and forwards. So who's here? Who's joining us? Hank, we mentioned this book when we had Dr. Bellnap on. And there's a lot of contributing authors here, but Aaron Shade is one of the main, would you say, compilers of this thing? Yeah, he's the editor. Dan Bellnap and Aaron Shade were the editors. Aaron is a professor of ancient scripture at BYU

teaches courses on religion and ancient near Eastern languages, history and archeology. Now here's where Aaron's gonna help me pronounce. Aaron is the co-director of the Kerbat, a Tura's excavation. How did he do, Aaron? How did he do there? Atterruz Jordan.

Fantastic job. Did he close it up? He completed his graduate studies and how did he do there? Atterruz Jordan. Fantastic job. Close enough. He completed his graduate studies at the University of Toronto in near and middle eastern civilizations. It's a faculty member at the B.Y. Jerusalem Center for Near Eastern Studies. His research interests and publications include Ancient Northwest Semitic Inscriptions, Archaeology the Old Testament. He is married to the former Carla Bertram They are the parents of Adam, Elizabeth and David Hank. I love every time we introduce somebody to see how broadly

These people have been educated so University of Toronto in near and Middle Eastern civilizations This is great. We're excited for this. Thank you for joining us, Dr. Shade today. Thank you. My pleasure. Happy to be here. I got to tell you, John. I've known Aaron for a few years here, and he is brilliant and kind both Top of the scale both brilliant and kind. He's as good as gold. I Could call you Dr. Shade, but today I'm gonna call you Aaron. Perfect. We become less formal during the podcast. Aaron, for our listeners who don't know these books very well, how should we approach them? Like, what do we need to know before we start?

How do you usually approach these books? Jose, for example, is one of those books that just doesn't get a lot of attention. And part of it is it's just because by verse two through four, you're just scratching your head and you're wondering what in the world is going on. And we start putting like God on trial, we start examining him. Like what are you doing? Why are you asking Hosea to do something like this? Where really the gist of the book is trying to get us to examine ourselves. Hosea is a book about love. It's about a relationship with God. Hosea is a book about love, it's about a relationship with God, it's about one that's trying to get us to examine ourselves and our relationship with him. And so if we can just sort of muscle past the first couple of verses and see them for what they're saying,

we start to see that this is a deep love story between us, ancient Israel and by extension, our relationship to God. And I think that that's a good starting point for Hosea And we can talk a little bit about the imagery behind all of this and what's going on in this marriage that Hosea is asked to engage in from the very start Aaron give us kind of a quick historical backdrop. I think our listeners are now acquainted with the phrases the Assyrian captivity and the Babylonian captivity They know about Isaiah and Jeremiah where does Jose have fit with that backdrop. So this is mid-Aid century. The book tells us in verse one that this is the word the Lord that came in the days of Biair, of Hoshia, the son of Biair, in the days of Uzziah, Jatham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jerobo and the sons of Joash, King of Israel, which is

very unusual because most of the kings listed there are from the kingdom of Judah and in the days of Jerobo and the sons of Joach king of Israel, which is very unusual because most of the kings listed there are from the kingdom of Judah. And so there's something about this where the focus of the book is predominantly on Israel, and this is taking us straight into the mid-Athcentury where you have the Assyrians that are looming, take leth police are, it will shortly start wreaking havoc on the region. And yes, we have the Isaiah, the Amuses that are warning us that there is some trouble that's brewing and it's time to do something about that and to turn back to God. So these books are trying to get us to think about returning to God. And it's in a time where we're meant to sort of read and reread and rethink what this is all about because we'll see in chapter one that this isn't just about the kingdom of Israel because he's listing all of these kings from Judah, those take us a century later. And so part of what these children in this marriage are

supposed to represent is I think a series of prophecies that aren't going to happen quickly, but that are going to happen through time. And this is taking place during the times of Jeroboam. And if either of you have been to tell Dan, I think you have, you notice that, that massive temple complex that's there. I mean, that's the footprint of Jeroboam the second. That's the king we're talking about. So this is during a period of just unheard of prosperity in the kingdom of Israel. And they've outcast back in the Elijah, Elijah's stories, the nemesis is the kingdom of Israel, and they've outcast back in the Elijah, Elijah's stories, the nemesis,

is the kingdom of Aram, so the Arahman's, and the stories of Naaman, and at this point, now, the Arahman's have been expelled, and essentially, the Israelite kingdom is expanding, and the prosperity economically is just off the charts. And so we're going in now to where they're going to start feeling a little confident, and a little loose, and their relationship with God and Jose is going to have to address that. Okay, so this is the time where we still have a northern and southern kingdom. Yes. Northern kingdom has not been taken yet, but like you said, a Syria is looming. Yeah, and you used, I've always wondered how to pronounce the king of a Syria. Will you say that again, Tigleth, Pilsar?

How did you say it? Tigleth, police are. Yep. He's just gonna wreak havoc in this region. I really love the way a scholar's name is echoed Benzvi. He described the book of Hosea as precisely the element of hope against a background of apparent hopelessness that has led to the books wide use in You Send Jewish Litergy? And so even today, during services like Tishaba Av, Hosea 14 and the Sephardic and Yemenite traditions are read. And during Shabbat Shabbat, which is the Sabbath between

Roch Hashanah and Yom Kippur, the reading passages from Hosea to again remind people of hope in a future. Wow. That's awesome. What a great description. Because how many of our listeners can identify with I need hope against a background of hopelessness? I'm sure there are people listening right now

who are like, that's what I need. Yeah. I remember hearing Victor Ludlow years ago, was kind of characterizing these different kingdoms around this period of time. And he called Babylon the commercial cultural financial center but he called the Syria the superpower, the cruel military superpower and I still remember Tegalath Belazar is the guy that's leading this military superpower that reeks havoc and that Isaiah

prophesies about that the Northern Kingdom is going to be taken captive by eventually. Did I get that right? Yeah, that's correct. I did want to ask because to me, sometimes Old Testament names are kind of indicate a mission. What does the name Hosea mean? And I've heard people say Hosea too. Basically, it's rooted in the concept of saving.

And so ultimately, the book is trying to put forth a redemption template, one that brings encouragement amongst a situation that is admittedly bleak. And it's heading in that direction where after Jerobo and the second, the Assyrian intervention will take place. And part of what these children are going to represent. And chapter one is a description that's going to lead from a time where there won't be mercy from a time where God will sow them to a period where all of those things that are negated are going to be reversed in the next chapter that describe now a condition

where we are now once again reunited with God, and that that hope is now moving forward in a very productive way against the backdrop of the Exodus tradition, which is described in chapter 2, and being described now as a way for us to look forward to a future based on the trust that we put in our past. Aaron, you are blowing me away. Yeah, this is great. I love this idea of hope in a backdrop. That's perfect. A way to just frame the whole thing. Yeah, I think everybody listening just all of a sudden goes, yeah, that's me. That's what I need.

Let's jump in then. Aaron, you keep talking about a marriage and children. What do you mean? So, when we get to Hosea chapter 1 verses 2 through 4, we begin to see this is the word of the Lord by Hosea, and he's told now to go and take the wife of Hordoms and children of Hordoms for the land-eth committed great Hordom departing from the Lord. And so immediately now we're all scratching our head and saying, what did God command Jose to do? I'm not sure that this is meant to be a biographical sketch of Jose You know, I can only imagine him coming home and say hey honey

Guess what I said about you and the kids today when I was out teaching the people It's like it's the couch for you and thanks dad Whatever his familial circumstances are and again, Isaiah is often used as a parallel to this because he names his children different things that prophesy of the future. And so I'm not sure that Hosea is trying to get us to beat our head against the wall trying to figure out what God is doing, but more to use these now to teach a message to say what are we as individuals and as people doing in our relationship to God. Because with this, he's starting to talk about, name one of these children, Israel, which is a geographical place and region that factors in greatly to the Israelite kingdom during

the 8th century, but it also has to do with God will so. So we're starting now to see, and Sparryry called this what he thought was a metaphoric description of prophecies and of Hosea's ministry amongst ancient Israel, okay, and so that's how he describes whatever Hosea's family life was like it's clear that there are some some metaphors going on here and just to highlight this Henry B. Iring and a talk that he gave back in conference of 1996, he said, the book of Hosea, like the writings of Isaiah, uses what seemed to me almost poetic images. The symbols in Hosea are a husband, his bride, her betrayal, and a test of

marriage, covenant, almost beyond comprehension. And so what seems to be going on here is that the Lord is using sort of these images now, again, whatever Hosea's personal life was like, it's clear that these images in Hosea chapter one are trying to get us to think now about the unthinkable. And that is, what is it like for a spouse to betray another spouse. And as you start thinking, you know, this is horrific. The toll that that takes on the spouse is the toll that it takes on the children, the toll that it takes on anybody that loves them. And we just sit back horrified at the image, realizing that really the comparison in the book is now think

about how you treat God. Think about how you approach God. Because we're talking now about a spouse who will have undying love and fidelity to you, covenantally, do you have that same love and fidelity to him? And so the book, it just takes us into these depths of just self-examination of what is it that I see in my covenants with God.

Do I understand how much she actually loves and cares about me? Because these children now that, again, this concept of Yisra'el, it has to do with sewing. You just get this very deliberate type of attempt of God. Destruction is coming at the hand of the Assyrians within a few decades. We just get now a prophecy that says that God is going to sow. So this concept of the scattering of visual is going to become something that's very real, but also something very deliberate. Because of course, when you plant a seed, you hope that eventually something grows from

it. And so, again, the image of all of the horrific events that are on the horizon, the long game for God is what can grow and be accomplished through all of this. And ultimately, we now see this series of children that are going to be born low-ruhama is going to be the next one. It means like not being pitied, not being extended mercy. And that doesn't mean infinitely. It just means essentially that justice has caught up. And we're gonna see that in chapter two where for hundreds of years since the Exodus,

God has been patiently working with Israel, trying to help them, loving them, giving them opportunities, and we're just getting to a point now where they're denying him. That's the name of the third child, Lo Amin, which means, and I'm not my people. And some people see this as a divorce declaration, but it's really quite different than the actual formula used in the Hebrew Bible. So this isn't so much as a divorce,

as much as a separation, and it's a separation that's initiated by the people, not God. So it's clear that God wants the people back, that he cares for them, and ultimately that this chapter is now trying to set us up for what will follow in the last couple of verses in leaders in the chapter 2, which is about a restoration, a redemptive paradigm that brings all of these negative things into a positive sphere of blessing God's children. So, if I'm teaching this at home, or if I'm teaching this at church, don't get caught up on the marriage itself or what happening there. I hear you saying that's not the point.

Jose, it doesn't want us to all of a sudden, okay, focus in. Why would God give this calling? This is just an introduction to a much broader message of this is Israel married to Jehovah and Israel keeps breaking the covenant. And how would Jehovah feel? And it's not that those details are unimportant. And it's not like we're trying to skirt the issue. It's just that it's frustratingly shallow and providing a biographical sketch. The same thing with chapter three,

is you just look at it and just an example of when it says go and take you a wife at the beginning of the first couple of verses here, that deviates from the normal marriage pattern in the Hebrew Bible. So there's just, there's some indications that this isn't trying to get us a focal point on the literal marriage between Hosea and his wife. And he probably was married. He may have been married. What this all represents, Gammar, Gammar is from a verb that means finished. So just even when we go into this, go take yourself away from a people that are almost finished.

Oh wow, it is trying to tell us that time is running out. What I love about Hosea is that it takes the onus off of God and throughout the book, there are several things that are saying that the people have made decisions against the will of God that are bringing the Assyrians onto their doorstep. So we'll see that. Israel has hired her lovers, and they have gone to Assyria, and they could not heal her. And we just sort of get this impression now that they're looking for answers in places

where they'll never find them when they have this loving God, God without stretch arms who's always there trying to welcome them back and who's pleading with them to come back. I mean, that's out chapter 2, which is actually, Hosea chapter 1 ends in the Hebrew Bible at verse 9, but verses 10, 11, and then chapter 2 are all about pleading with your mother, which is again a conception of what Israel is. And even within the book, there's some passages in here that talk about Israel as a people, as a land, are the ones who are hauring after other gods. And ultimately, that's what I really love about the book is it's trying to say, instead of pointing the finger at

God as being this mean, angrily, menacing, punishing God of the Old Testament, we've never seen him through a more loving and kind light than in the book of Hosea. That's awesome. I love what you said there. You're looking for answers in places you will never find them. That's so applicable to today. When we're on a background of hopelessness, we often ourselves go look for answers in places. We won't find them. You won't find your answers. What does I think Jacob says something like that.

You spend money on that which has no worth. You labor for that which cannot satisfy. John, did you want to jump in before we keep going? Sure. I just love the metaphor of the marriage. I think it continues. In Book of Mormon class, we were talking about this super strong words for talking about

this great and abominable church, the horror of all the earth. And whoa, that's, my parents wouldn't let us use that word when we're little. And then all through to the New Testament, here comes the bridegroom. The bridegroom comes. Are you ready? I mean, Isaiah talks about the daughters of Zion and how they're wearing all of these ornaments and round tires like the moon and mufflers and crispy pins and all this. And it really helped me to see that this was a marriage and they were betrothed and they

were trying to attract other lovers. And as you said, Aaron, what could be more hurtful than the betrayal of a spouse? And so we're supposed to see, yeah, and God, Jehovah is the bridegroom and how are we behaving as the bride? So I love the metaphor and that he would use strong words like that because it's imagining the most hurtful thing possible, I think. It really is trying to get us to understand that God has never given up. And chapter 2 addresses that quite a bit.

We mentioned in Hosea 1 verse four, it talks about Jahu will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel. And of course we know that he was anointed to do so by a prophet and he goes and in the midst of purging the Omraid dynasty for whatever reason unknown to any of us, he turns and starts thrashing part of the house of Judah,

Ahaziahs in the region at the time for whatever reason. And he turns on the house of Judah and then goes after them in their household, which essentially puts Atholaya, who is the daughter of Ahab and Jezebel on the throne in Judah. And it just wreaks havoc in both kingdoms now. on the throne in Judah, and it just wreaks havoc in both kingdoms now. J.Hoo is in this famous inscription from Shamanese of the Third. It depicts him bowing down and tribute to the Assyrians. And I think we see quite a bit of that in the book of Hosea, again, with this concept of you sold yourselves off to Assyria. And kind of what you were talking about earlier,

I think it's Isaiah 50 that talks about, where is the bill of mother's divorcement to whom have I sold you and the response is, I haven't sold you to anybody. You've sold yourselves off to this. You sold yourselves. You left me. Yeah, and that's really, I think, what's happening.

Now, and particularly, there is a direct mechanism that's involved in this, and that is the J. who's taken them into a first stage of Vasilage to a Syria. So when you start strike and deals with a Syria, it may temporarily work out, but it's not a long-term solution in most cases. All of these things are so applicable. I can see we go to other places for hope, we go to other places for answers, and they may be short-term, they may be self-medicating, but they're not long-term. They won't last. I'm trying to do placements for answers and they may be short term, they may be self-medicating, but they're not long term. They won't last. I'm trying to do the application here and you're making it so easy. I can just see it as you talk. I was thinking of that song from my teenage years, probably not yours, Hank or Aaron, but looking for love in all the wrong places. We're looking in

the wrong places for peace and for hope. Like Jacob said. And you know, it's interesting because we see in here in chapter 1 verse 7, I'll have mercy upon the house of Judah. So again, this concept of mercy where we've had low Ruhama to the kingdom of Israel, which not being pitied. But Judah will have mercy. It says, I'll save them by the Lord their God and will not save them by the bone or by the sword or by battle or by horses. This seems to be referencing forward to a time where you remember when the Assyrians are camped out on Jerusalem's doorstep under Hezekiah. And ultimately, they do not win that battle with swords, with conflicts.

There's like a plague of death or something goes through their camp. And so this seems to be foreshadowing something of that nature that says, you know what, God really does have mercy, but you've got to come back to him. You've got to choose him. So Israel is going to be destroyed while Judah will last a little bit longer. Tell the Babylonians, yep. And Jerusalem will be protected in that battle you're talking about, which is always interesting because when Lehigh is saying, now Jerusalem's going to be destroyed, they could go to their own past and say, no, it was protected last time. And they did appeal to that in the Book of Mormon.

There is a sense of overconfidence in both the Book of Jeremiah and in the Book of Mormon that God will protect us. This is his city. This is our place of refuge. And ultimately, we're turned back to again, this conception that when you get is our place of refuge, and ultimately we're turned back to, again, this conception that when you get to the book of Jeremiah, you're going to see that there's these pro-Babalonian pro-Egyptian factions and people are trying to appeal to both for answers when Jeremiah is giving them the directive.

The question is, who's going to listen, who's going to respond? Yeah. This is fantastic. Let's keep going. How do we want to look at chapters 2 and 3, Aaron? Chapter 2 is interesting because at the end of chapter 1, which again ends in verse 9 with the Hebrew Bible, so the paradigm shifts in verses 10 and 11 to what really sounds like language of the Abrahamic covenant. And your numbers will be as the sand of the sea and blessings of prosperity that are going to come forth and

you are not my people and there at Shelby said to them, you're the sons of the living God. And so you're going to be gathered together under one head. So this really does have sort of an eschatological feel to it, to a point where a house that's been divided under Jeroboam and Reo-Boam at some stage will be reunited under one head and that will be God. And that'll take us later into Joel when he comes again and when the earth is reunited under his kingship and everyone acknowledges that. So there's really this great feel to it. And chapter two shifts to brethren. On me you are my people. So the negation is gone there.

So where you were not my people, you were now going to be called my people. And when you were not piti, now you are ruchama. So you are piti, you are extended mercy, but you got a plead with your mother, you've got a plead with your people. And so this began, it takes a larger eschatological feel to it because this isn't just about one place and one time in one region.

This now seems to be shifting to a time where the earth will receive its parodysiocoglory and the parlance of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Because verse 3, it takes us back to the Exodus. So it says, let's I strip her naked and set her as the day that she was born, and make her as a wilderness, and set her like a dry land and slay her with thirst. So this is taking us back to now when Israel became a people through the Exodus, and God nurtured them, and cared for them, and loved them, and set up a covenant with them. And now it says that in verse 5 she said, Nope, I'll go after my lovers. And they often talk about water and wool and flax and oil. And in the Torah, these are all things that are depicted as blessings from God. And in Jose, I will say, I gave you all those things, and you'd never recognized it. And you kept going to these other superpowers, like a Syria,

looking to make these alliances that I knew would be trouble. And if you just would have trusted me, I would have provided for these things in the form of blessings. And you just sort of hear God saying, just please just stay with me on this. The Exodus is the backdrop for all of that. In verse 15, chapter 2, it says, and she shall sing there in the days of her youth, as in the days of her youth.

So again, it's hard getting back to the Exodus when they crossed the days of her youth, as in the days of her youth. So again, it's harkening back to the Exodus when the cross, the rivers were parted, they came through and safety, and we always turn to it. Whenever we need answers, we go to the Prince of Egypt. That's the greatest film of all time that shows us how to interpret things. And you remember that cute little girl

that gives the song after they crossed the waters? Ashira, La Adonai, Kigah, Ogah, essentially it's talking now, it's just about how powerful and merciful and how the Lord just has just spectacularly triumphed. And so it's now harkening back to that day of triumph and saying that's also in our future after we go through this period of destruction. And ultimately verse 18 is talking that. You hear this language of creation. I will make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, with the fows of the heaven, with the creeping things. That's creation, Genesis language. All the way back to Genesis.

And basically creation has been undone through all of this. And what God is, the message of hope is that all things will be recreated under this one head and creation will be a new and the earth will receive its parapsychle glory. And Elyne says, I will be troved the unto me. And you shall be my people and I will be your God. That's the good news of all of this. So it starts out with this message of hope. It's whole book this way, or is it now okay, there will be hope one day at the end. Now let's go through some of the things you've done. Because as I was reading, I thought,

we go back and forth between hope and the present of their present infidel. Yeah, there's no question about it. The first couple of chapters are setting us up to don't give up. Several of the subsequent chapters are, we're in for a hard time here. And here are some things that are happening, but don't give up. Several of the subsequent chapters are, we're in for a hard time here. And here are some things that are happening, but don't give up hope.

Because they're gonna have to go through this, because they chose this. The book does present it in that way, that you've gone after these people, and my people have gone after other lovers. And again, the idolatry, that's back in chapter two verse two, where it says, let her put away her

hordoms from out of her sight and adulteries from out of her breasts. That's a really typical iconographic depiction of goddesses in the ancient Near East is basically this bare-breasted female who's usually suckling a child or feeding people in some way, nurturing and nursing. And now they're being told, come back to God and him only and get rid of some of these other things. So that's the Elijah's story of how long halts you between two opinions. The literal verb there is to limp.

How long are you gonna keep limping around back and forth between different gods? I'm here for you, come back. And I can do all of these things for you again as I did in the Exodus. And Nephi loves this. Nephi's hero is Moses. Everything that's driving him is,

if God can do this for Moses, he can do it for us. We hear it in the book of Alma, 36. I always keep in remembrance. Things that God has done for me, and we see it in Mosiah. And so there's just something about this concept of never, ever forgetting all the power that God has to enact in our lives. And the love that He does it with.

Well said. I think that the Exodus, it seems to be the central event of the Old Testament. Everybody else refers back to so often, maybe I shouldn't say something that bull, but that just occurs to me that they're always talking about that and trying to remember it. That's really the epiphany of chapter 2. There's going to come a point where after following her lovers, it says, I will go and return to my first husband for there. Was it better for me than now? There's the final recognition that just says, you know what?

It was really better for me when I did have got in my life than when I didn't. That does seem to be a major epiphany in chapter 2. And when I didn't have these other lovers, these other gods, it was better. I'm going to go back. And I love that repenting, returning are often synonymous. I'll return, repent and return. Yeah, that's the exact meaning. And Hebrew, Shoev. It means to go back.

And so all of this concept of repentance is, please go back to God and allow him to show you the type of love that you've been craving for through all of this and that he's never, ever withdrawn. In fact, is it okay if I read a statement by Elder Eiring? Please. This was in the general conference, April 1996, and this is a little bit long, but he describes of how these first few chapters

of Hosea changed his life as he was teaching this to some seminary students. And he said, at that early point in the story and just two chapters, even my youngest students knew that the husband was a metaphor for Jehovah, Jesus Christ. And they knew that the wife represented his covenant people, Israel, who had gone after strange gods. They understood that the Lord was teaching them through his metaphor and important principle.

Even though those with whom he has covenanted may be horribly unfaithful to him, he would not divorce them if they would only turn back to him with full purpose of heart. I knew too that, but even more than that, I felt something. I had a new feeling about what it means to make a covenant with the Lord. All my life I had heard explanations of covenants as being like a contract, an agreement where one person agrees to do something and the other agrees to do something else in return. For more reasons than I can explain during those days teaching Hosea, I felt something new, something more powerful.

This was not a story about a business deal between partners nor about business law. This was a love story. This was a story of a marriage covenant bound by love, by steadfast love. What I felt then, and it has increased over the years, was that the Lord with whom I am blessed to have made covenants, loves me and you, with a steadfastness about which I continually marvel and which I want with all my heart to emulate. So Elder Eiring just talks about how Hosea has changed his life

and helped him more deeply contemplate what it means to have fidelity to God, but most importantly, what it means for us to experience the full love of God in our lives because of that relationship that we allow him to develop with us. Wow. We'll make sure to link that talk in our show notes. Follow him. I'm sure that'll be helpful for people. That was a wonderful thought. I loved how he talked about his students. They picked up on it. I just get that impression that we've had before through these all these chapters is that the God that we worship is an involved, caring, loving God. He's not detached. He really wants us to be devoted to him and wants to bless us

and everything. And when we're not, he'll teach us. And I love that idea of his desire to be involved with us and with our lives. That gives me hope. And I think that that really is a powerful part of the book because it is filled with some gruesome things that are on the horizon that are coming. But chapter 11, for example, verse three, it says, I taught Ephraim also to go, and this is highlighting what you were saying, John, about this personal nature of this relationship. I taught them to go. Another word for Halak is to walk.

So I taught them to walk, taking them by their arms, and we just get this feeling of a very loving, tender relationship of God, you know, of a parent teaching this little child to walk and taking them by the arm and stabilizing them and leading them to safety. And it says, but they knew not that I healed them. And I drew them with cords of man and with bands of love. So we start seeing this synonymous parallelism here. And I was to them as they that take off the yolk on their jaws and that laid meat into them. And so this again, it's harkening back. You know, we have all these tomb scenes and reliefs from Egypt of servitude. They always have this yolk that goes across the neck and they're pulling two baskets. And you just get this impression that I took this away from you.

And I led you out and I cared for you, I provided for you, and I've always loved you, and I just want you to respond covenantally to me in this way that will allow us to have this relationship that thrives. And ultimately now we start getting this language that just says this was very personal. And ultimately now it's just trying to say, remember me because I'll never forget you.

And of course, remember those passages in Isaiah that you were written upon the palms of my hand, I cannot forget you. The message here is that no matter how hard things get, I will not forget you. And I'm always here for you. But they keep choosing other gods. There's also a sense of love, but for me, there's also this sense of frustration in this family, some things never change. And you're always seeking other gods. This is what is so encouraging to me because it is easy to read this and just get frustrated. And in verse 8 in chapter 11, you have God who just says, how shall I give the up Ephraim? How shall I deliver the Israel? And is here God posing these

rhetorical questions? The answer is, I won't and I can't. And there's nothing that's ever going to cause me to do that. I can't give you up. Yeah, like I'm your parent, I'm your father, I'm your spouse. I mean, however you look at it through all of these and the new testament picks up on this bridegroom image very well of trying to portray the personal nature between this relationship with God and which really cool about Jose 11.8 is it's drawing upon Deuteronomy 4 and a promise there in verse 31 that says Jehovah your God is merciful. He's a merciful God. And you hear that mercy part come back. So Ruhama, he says, I will not abandon or destroy you or forget the covenant with your forefathers, which he confirmed to them by an oath. Hosea 11, 8 seems to be renewing that promise, reminding people that what happened in that covenant code with God has not changed, and it's still an option. Yeah, and you've even got a JST there that he says,

my heart is turned toward you. My mercies are extended to gather thee. So there's our gathering component of all of this. They're going to be scattered, but one day they're going to be gathered. And the Book of Mormon makes it clear, doesn't it? Like in Jacob chapter 5, that I'm scattering you to actually help you. I'm not scattering you to punish you. I'm scattering to help you become who I need you to become.

That really is the sewing nature now. So Yisra El, the first name of that child, was again this deliberate attempt to sew, because you hope that something is going to grow from it. And of course, we see that in Jose, the concept of reaping what you sow. So if you want to sow a celestial life, you need to plant celestial seeds. And so there's this concept that's just saying, you have an awareness of our behavior and our actions and what it is that we're actually trying to accomplish because you can reap what you sow. Now, it doesn't mean that everybody's always gonna like you.

If you treat people with love, it doesn't mean they're gonna love you back, but at least you're giving a chance for something to grow through all of that. And again, seeds can grow in very different ways, particularly learning to love somebody that doesn't love you back can be an extremely powerful lesson in life, and that's the story of Jonah

and some interesting things there. But there's this really neat image in Hosea chapter 13 that's talking about, I think the hope for of all of this. And it's in a pretty graphic depiction in Hosea 13 13 where it says the sorrows of a travailing woman shall come upon him. So we think of labor pains and how gruesome and how difficult that is for the mother as she's going through trying to give birth. And so these things are coming, some difficult times are ahead. And it says, he is an unwise son for he should not stay long in the

place of breaking forth of children. And the Hebrew makes this a little more clear that this is talking about, you know, a child that's just stuck there in the womb and the birth canal. And just so close to life and so close to coming forth into a new light and just sort of stuck there in a place that can be either so close to life or so close to death. And how dangerous that can be in the birth canal if the child can't be delivered.

And so again, that's what chapter 14 will take us into now this period of finding mercy. And chapter 14 verse 3 talks about, for in the the Fatherless find mercy. And I will hear their backs lighting and will love them freely. So you just again get this message that eventually through all of the difficult times, there will be light coming back into our lives. And you just get this wonderful image now. The fatherless will find mercy. And I just love that. And John 14, you know, you remember when it says that I will not leave you comfortless,

the Greek actually uses the term that says, I will not leave you orphans. And so it's just, again, this very paternal type of feeling that just says God is very close to us and endearing to us in our lives if we'll let him. And even if we don't let him, he'll keep trying. This message of hope against the background of hopelessness is really, really touching to me. I have a thought here from Elder Christopherson.

He says, with God, comfort, replaces pain, peace, replaces turmoil, and hope replaces sorrow. That seems to be the message of our Latter-day prophets. Turn to God, and he can turn ashes into beauty. Do not despair, President Inglis says, do not give up. Look for the sunlight. Look through the clouds. I love that. Look for the sunlight because we actually have that in Josea six, where it says there about return into the Lord. So it's exactly what you're describing their Hank about coming into the sunlight. It says, come this chapter six, one through three, come and let us return into the Lord. And it says in verse two, after two days, he

will revive us in the third two days he will revive us. In the third day, he will raise us up. So this progression from two to three is a literary device that takes us into completely, perfectly three, being that numerological symbol of perfection, of entirety. He will thoroughly revive us. And in verse three, then shall we know

if we follow on to know the Lord, his going forth is prepared as the morning, and he shall come into us as the rain. So that's seeing the light. You remember that talk by a boy K-packer of the brilliant morning of forgiveness. It just talks about what it's like to see the sun rise for that light to come back into our lives. And Hosea is describing exactly what you were talking about there. When the sun pops up over the horizon after a long dark night or even after a lot of dark nights that all of a sudden now we are revived and we see the light of day once again. Some really beautiful verses in here, my goodness, continuing in Hosea 13, 14, after the sorrows of a

traveling woman, verse 14, I will ransom them from the power of the grave. I will redeem them from death. Oh, death, I will be thy plagues. Oh, grave, I will be thy destruction, repentance. She'll be hid from my eyes. Like you said, a lot of hope in these verses. Yeah. And what better way to portray that? First of all, the use of the verb redeem. So you get the conception now that usually in ancient Israel, the concept of redeeming

is a family member who's doing something to protect the well-being of the family. And so we now get the Kinsman Redeemer. That's right. This is now that the Redeemer is doing something for the good of the family to protect the family. And that is I'm going to read I'm going to pull the amount I'm going to snatch them from death. And death will be saying, you know, where are your plagues? Like this is a total reversal. It shows the power of God that he has power over the grave. And so whatever encounter, and just because we're trying to do the best we can, doesn't spare us from loss. It doesn't mean we won't lose people that are close to us. It doesn't mean that life is going to be easy, but it's trying to get us. The book is trying to

get us to look at the big picture through the eyes of God and try and just in some small measure understand what he's trying to accomplish and trying to draw us closer to him. And whether that's in life or after death, the hope is that eventually we'll have this reunification with God that would be something far beyond any peace or hope or happiness that we could ever find in any other source of life. And also Aaron, isn't it that these difficulties we pass through are not just punishment but shaping.

So part of the hope is that I haven't given up on you even though it's gonna feel like it. I'm actually shaping you for a future gathering, a future with me. Yeah, that's really always the challenges. Do we even recognize what's happening in our lives and do we see the hand of God and all of that? And so that's always been the challenge. And again, we see that over and over again in Hosea. They're going after

sources of happiness in places that won't provide it. And all along, God is saying, I gave you all of that stuff. And that was something, this is chapter 714, where it says, they have not cried into me with their heart. And verse 15 says, though I have bound them and strengthened them with their arms, yet do they imagine mischief against me. And so it's just return and come back to me is really that message and just be able to recognize that God really is trying to be a big part of our lives if we'll let him. It's inviting us to cry into him because there's some pretty desperate situation. We'll see that in Joel as well. I mean, there'll just be some times of just flat out. It's time for everybody to recognize the urgency of all of this and start crying to God for help. Yeah, I liked what you said. A series on the horizon. If you weren't paying attention before,

you're about to be paying attention. Yeah. I'm looking at Isaiah 7 verse 11. E from also was like a silly dove without heart. They call to Egypt. They go to a Syria. You know, here he is right there. And it seems like that was kind of Isaiah to stop making alliances with other nations. God is your ally.

God is better than your ally. He's your bridegroom. You're right. And we'll see that in Isaiah as well. A has is going to sort of reject the council of Isaiah. When he's saying, don't join the Ciro, Ephria might go after a Syria. I was looking at that contemporary English version. Israel is a senseless bird fluttering back and forth between Egypt and

Assyria. Yeah, I don't think I'd ever seen silly dove before in my life until today. Silly and senseless. Another version says a senseless bird easily deceived. So that story where A has is given the manual prophecy, which has an immediate perhaps perhaps, in a future fulfillment, though, is telling him, don't make allies with these countries, but isn't that exactly what he did, make it an ally, try to make a Syria an ally? Yes, so again, it doesn't usually work out well in the long run for, you throw up in your temple treasures and your copfers and say, here's something for you, a Syria. It holds the dogs off for a little while, but eventually

they come calling. There's actually this really fascinating inscription from an ancient kingdom called Somal. It was an Aramean kingdom. It has this beautiful, big, steela relief with writing on it in a Phoenician dialect. It actually talks about in there that I hired the king of Assyria against my enemies, and we just destroyed them. And all of these things, we got these great exchange rates economically, and it's the whole text talking about that. And then you go look in the iconography on the left hand side of the panel, and it has the king dressed in a Syrian garb with all of the Syrian gods depicted at the top.

And you're just like, yeah, that worked out well for you temporarily, but what happens next? They took their treaties and alliances very seriously, but the next king comes along and sometimes all bets are off. Sometimes they honor them, but other times there's just you never know what's coming, especially when you have lots of things to offer in the form of resources, geographical benefits, military, strategic value, all through the Jesreal Valley, and of course Israel and Judah are always in the crossroads between the superpowers of Egypt and a Syria. Yeah, don't dance with the devil, right? Is that Jezreal Valley named because of Hosea's child there?

It existed before that, so it's not a cause and effect, or it's just it's drawing upon a conception because essentially the Jezreal Valley was one of the headquarters of the Israelite Kingdom under the Omrite Dynasty. Aaron, are there any of the verses in H in Jose you wanted to hit before you to Jill? There's one I really love in Josea chapter eight, verse 14. And it just sort of ties this all back in and it comes back to the theme for Israel

half forgotten his maker and build it temples and Judeath multiplied fence cities. But I will send fire in his cities and shall devour the places thereof. And again, we just see all of these places that are designed to be holy, something that's designed to enable individuals to go and enter into covenants with God. And yet we see that those are going to be torn to the ground, burned to the ground. And Elder Holland had a really interesting statement. He was quoting George

Albert Smith and he says, you know, we may build temples, erect stately domes, magnificent spires, and grand towers and honor of our religion. But if we fail to live the principles of that religion and to acknowledge God and all of our thoughts, we should have felt short of the blessings which its practical exercise would ensure. And so there's just something about this. It's more important to just get through the doors of the chapel or to get through the doors of the temple. There has to be something where this becomes something and great in our heart. And again,

we see that throughout Deuteronomy that we've got to have a pure heart that we have to have a heart that is turned to God. Of course, the whole Elijah narratives are crafted around that concept of turning our hearts to God. The book of Jose is trying to get us to take seriously the concept of what it means to enter into those covenants with God and to never lose sight of that fidelity to that covenant. So they're doing the outward behavior,

but it hasn't reached their heart. And again, what's really cool is that in modern day Judaism, sometimes when they're done in the phylacteries that are filled with passages of scriptures to remind us to keep our hearts close to God, some of the passages that they citer from Hosea chapter 2. So again, it's just, Hosea has a very profound effect on remembering what it is that God has done for us. It seems to me, as we're reading Hosea, that the Lord's message hasn't changed all that much. Having just listened to conference, I heard a lot of the same messages of turn to God.

Use your source of peace, use your source of joy, stop going other places, stop looking for other sources of peace and joy. You're not gonna to find them, come back to God. And if you don't, there's consequences to those actions that you have to face. And come back to those godly identities, that young single adult talk that President Nelson gave so good where he emphasized, I'm a child of God, I'm a child of the covenant, I'm a disciple of Christ, those identities that involve God instead of earthly, worldly, temporary identities. I had never seen that verse in verse 11, I taught you from to walk. That's a touching idea.

I was holding you as you were just getting started and now you've turned on me. Taking them by their arms, and that's what that means. Is that a simpler translation? I taught you to walk like verse three, taking them by their arms. The verb halak, it does mean to go, but it also can mean to go by foot. That's just, oh. I think Jose is meant to be felt.

Now that I'm reading it, I'm going, man, this book is meant to be felt. You're supposed to feel for Jehovah. Yeah. You're going, oh, I don't want to do this to him. And I think you're right. It just comes back to that. I will so herend to me. So everything that's happening here is with the intent that I will have mercy

upon her that had not obtained mercy. And I will say to them, which were not my people, they are my people. And they shall say they are my God. And we'll see that language again. It would get to Ezekiel 37, and interestingly, it's within the context of a temple that Ezekiel is describing. So it comes back to this theme of covenant and making those in sacred spaces with God. Jeremiah 31 to 34, we talked a little bit about this concept of the heart changing.

Well, Jeremiah 31 talks about receiving a new heart and making a new covenant with God. And interestingly, this is a passage that according to Oliver Cowdery, Maroni at some point discussed with the Prophet Joseph Smith as something that was about to come forth, something that was about to be done. And so at some point in those conversations with Moroni, Jeremiah 31 and this receiving a new heart was something that was yet to come for the restored church and the covenants

that they were going to make and receiving this new heart. So again, this phrase, they shall be my people and I shall be their God, usually occurs in covenantal context, sometimes in relation to temples. Beautiful. Please join us for part two of this podcast.