Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - John 14-17 Part 1 • Robert Eaton • June 5 - June 11

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

How does what Jesus teaches at the Last Supper that can help us through trials? Brother Robert Eaton explores how keeping covenants makes us free and how we consider how the Savior defines truth. 00:00 Part 1–Dr. Robert Eaton00:46 Dr. Robert Eaton’s background02:41 The Last Supper and Passover Feast05:12  Context as a scripture study tool09:50 Graduate seminar on discipleship13:28  Seven statements17:55 General Conference as a reference21:47 Manner of Happiness25:12 Truth sanctifies27:21 Live the doctrine of Christ29:34 The symbolism of life31:47 Elder Gilbert the five prophetic emphases35:02 Elder Holland on taking a moral stand38:35 CS Lewis and _The Silver Chair_42:24 Jesus is the only way45:42 Latter-day Saints and Muslims47:55 Jesus’s love language is obedience50:38 Missionary Boggle53:00 Consequences math57:01 Ski boat analogy1:01:00 The Holy Ghost and his mission1:04:46 Trusting Jesus1:10:33 End of Part 1–Dr. Robert EatonPlease rate and review the podcast.Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.coFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FollowHimOfficialChannelThanks to the followHIM team:Shannon Sorensen: Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com/products/let-zion-in-her-beauty-rise-piano

Hello, my friends. Welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith, and I'm your host, and I'm here with my commandment keeping co-host, John, by the way. Welcome, John, by the way. And one of those commandments is repent. Yeah, I'm glad you keep that commandment daily. Hey, John, we are going to be in the gospel of John today. Does that ever get weird for you that we keep talking about the gospel of John? I'll take it. I like having that name. That's a good name.

The gospel of John. And Jesus is going to say he is the way and you are the by the way. So I mean, it's a perfect fit really. John, we needed an expert to join us for these chapters in the Gospel of John. Who's joining us? Yes, today we have brother Rob Eaton. We call him Dr. Eaton. He has a JD, so we can still think of him as a Dr. Eaton.

And he's coming to us recently from Idaho. So let me explain. He was the Associate Academic Vice President for Learning and Teaching at BYU Idaho. He and his wife Diane have four children, ten grandchildren and two more on the way. Before presiding over the Washington Federal Way mission with his wife are observed as the Associate Academic Vice President for online and pathway at BYU Idaho and also taught in religious education. He's a graduate of BYU

and Stanford Law School. There's the JD and is the author or co-author of multiple books, including President Eirings biography called I Will Lead You Along and also recently published Improving Learning and Mental Health in the College classroom. Did you say West Virginia was part of that? West Virginia University press. They've got a teaching and learning series that were proud to be part of. Yes, and that caught my ear because my son is serving in his mission in West Virginia right now. Wonderful. Almost heaven West Virginia, that's how I refer to it.

Brother Eiken was recently released as a stake president in Idaho and we'll be starting on in the religious education faculty at BYU on August 1st. So thank you for joining us today, Brother Eaten. Thanks so much for having me. You know, John, I have been a fan since you won't recall this, but you read a manuscript of mine for Desiret Book and unsolicited sent me a very kind email that I think later turned into a blurb for a digging deeper for a first time author with Desiret Book that made a huge difference to me. I'm like, John, by the way, just sent me an email and it likes my book.

I was thrilled. So that's great. Nice to hear. Rob, thank you for being here. We are so happy to have you. I've been looking forward to this for a long time, thank you for being here. We are so happy to have you. I've been looking forward to this for a long time with sharing you with our audience. We are going to be in the gospel of John primarily. I wanted to read this from the manual and then turn the reins over to you and see where you wanna go with this.

It says, today we call it the last supper, but we don't know if Jesus' disciples fully realized when they gathered for the annual Passover feast that this would be their last meal with their master before his death. Jesus, however, knew that his hour was come, that is John 13 verse 1. He would soon face the suffering of Gesemony, the betrayal, and denial of his closest friends, and an agonizing death on the cross. Yet even with all of this looming before him, Jesus' focus was not on himself, but on his disciples. What would they need to know in the days and years ahead?

Jesus' tender teachings in John 14-17 reveal how he feels about his disciples then and now. Among the many comforting truths he shared was the reassurance that in one sense, he would never leave us. If he keep my commandments, he promised, he shall abide in my love. Beautiful opening paragraph out of the manual. Rob, where do you wanna go from here?

Well, if I might start with just one quote from Elder Bednar about an approach to studying the scriptures, I happened to attend this talk in person that he gave years ago to religious educators. He said, we're all familiar with the adage that giving a man a fish feeds him for one meal, teaching the man to fish on the other hand feeds him for a lifetime. As parents and gospel instructors, you and I are not in the business of distributing fish. Rather our work is to help individuals learn to fish and become spiritually self-reliant. This important objective is best accomplished as we encourage and facilitate learners acting in accordance with correct principles, as we help them to learn by doing.

So I'd love to, if it's alright, do as you do so often and as so many of your guests have done, kind of show our work as we go, share insights and what are some of the Scripture techniques, Scripture study techniques, even some of the tools my dear friend and office neighbor Ross baron said his favorite app is the blue letter Bible. It's my second favorite app. I love the gospel library app. And I have my students use it in ways that even as digital natives some of them aren't familiar with and they come away with a greater love for it. I think it's a under appreciated tool in the church. I'd like to just put in a couple plugs for that as we go through if that's all right.

Okay. That sounds fantastic. So let's start with context as a scripture study tool. And incidentally, to come follow me stuff that the church has produced is really so good, some of the best curriculum writing in years. So kudos to whoever's name is not on that, who wrote that stuff. So already it provides us with some context, but as you think about this, what are some of the most important things you would want

any listener or friend to know about? The context of these amazing chapters, incidentally some scholars call this the upper room discourse because it takes place in the upper room, some of the last words of the Savior to his disciples in mortality. I love last words. Last words are prophets, King Benjamin's address, Salm 36 through 42. And these, of course, are far from the last words of the Savior. We get to hear him today and he still reveals as well. But these are the last words in mortality

to his apostles. And that seems pretty significant. We put great weight on everything that Jesus says. It seems like these words are especially salient, that he teaches for this last time he's got a chance to sit around a table with his apostles before he begins to embark on the suffering that will occur in Gethsemanini and again on Gogatha. We mentioned this last week with Dr. Camille Olson that if you look in the synoptic gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, this last supper event is 10 or 11 verses in those gospels, but then John takes it and expands it to five chapters. That's a

fourth of the gospel of John is spent on this last night. So John is the writer, has gotta be thinking, look, I know you have those other accounts, but this, you're gonna want this one. You're gonna want to have all this extra information about that night. So I find that profound that John is gonna spend five chapters

on one night of the Savior's life. His book is only a total of 21 chapters. That tells me that this evening was significant. To have been there, to have been a fly on the wall for that evening, wouldn't that be something? You know, it strikes me that this is the ultimate graduate school seminar on discipleship. And maybe leadership too, it's for the apostles. It's on the kind of discipleship that endures and exalts those who follow Jesus. And it does that by helping

us align our wills completely, so completely with him and the Father that in the end we become united with them. It's actually a nice bookend to the sermon on the Mount, which we read in verse one of Matthew 5, was for those disciples who came up the hill to meet him. I love the sermon on the Mount for everyone, but I think it's especially for those who lead a really the dedicated core followers of Jesus and here, we get kind of a disciple leadership seminar from Jesus. And one that will come before some dark, challenging days ahead. I just can't imagine what that would be like after Jesus's death

then to be Peter, James, or John. President Eiring in his latest conference talk said, fierce forces of evil were bearing down on him and would soon come upon his disciples. And when I think about that, I don't mean to pay to dark picture of today, but for disciples of Jesus Christ, it does look like more persecution lies ahead than we've had in the past perhaps. President Nelson said it this way, why do we need such resilient faith? Because difficult days are ahead. Rarely in the future will it be easy or popular to be a faithful Latter-day saint. Each of us will be tested. The Apostle Paul warned that in the latter days, those who diligently follow the Lord shall

suffer persecution. That very persecution can either crush you into silent weakness or motivate you to be more exemplary and courageous in your daily lives. So as we look ahead to maybe some challenging times of our own, I think the truths, the Savior teaches in this last mortal instruction to his leaders, his faithful apostles, or especially relevant for us. And he does all this before he's going to do the most difficult thing in the history of the world, just hours before. And I don't know how you get before a big talk or something else. Sometimes I struggle to be as kind to and mindful to others as I would like to be.

And yet he's completely outward facing as he boys up and structs and lovingly teaches his apostles just hours and even minutes before crossing over the brook and going into the semini. I love what you said about a graduate seminar on discipleship. I was listening to a Christian pastor of the presentation he gave and he used the phrase, we don't use as often I guess, but who are you discipled by? He talked about a generation discipled by social media and discipled by TikTok or by this singer or this celebrity. And that's a good way to think of it. Who am I disciples by? And I like that the word discipline is in disciple. And we want to be disciples by Christ.

And here's that seminar. I like the way you set that up. Yeah. Discipleship which endures and exalts, I wrote that down. Oh, wonderful. Well, so we'll hit a bunch of principles. We won't hit everything. And maybe we'll combine some topical and sequential approaches.

For example, when we hit the Holy Ghost, we'll go ahead and draw all the passages about the Holy Ghost into that discussion. In John 14, there's some stuff on the relationship between the Father and the Son. But we might save that for John 17 and hit those topics there. So let's start with verses two through six. One of you mind reading that?

Okay, this is John 14, starting in verse two and going to verse six. In my father's house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you, I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto myself that where I am, there you may be also. And wither I go, you know, and the way you know. Thomas said to him, Lord, we know not whether thou goest. And how can we know the way? Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth and the life. No man come a thundered father, but by me.

You've got to give Thomas some credit there for having the gumption to say, we don't know what you're talking about. NT Wright, one of my favorite biblical scholars and Christians, says that the Gospel of John is laced with stories, instances of people taking Jesus literally when he's not speaking literally. And this is fun exchanges And this is maybe another one of those Thomas trying to we don't have the coordinates We don't have GPS. How do we get there and Jesus gives this? Answer that is at the heart of his gospel and I want to start with that one in the symbolism

So you might be thinking about the significance of way truth and life and we'll start there But let me blather on for just a minute about the IM statements in John. So there are seven famous IM statements. They're actually more than that, but seven that say, I am the vine, I am the good shepherd that have what I guess Grimerian's called the nominative predicate.

I had this question that maybe you've had it, but I've been wondering this for years. If every time someone said, I am, did other people pick up stones or fall over backwards? I mean, surely, yeah, yeah, had to have a way to say, I am in Jesus' day without invoking the name of Jehovah or having people think you are claiming to be the Messiah or even Jehovah himself. So I found a nice little blog by a linguist who teaches at a theology seminary and we'll get that in the show notes.

He argues that he would reserve that. Many other scholars say there are echoes of Jehovah from Exodus 3, 14 and the latter half of Isaiah in any of the IAM statements. He would reserve it for the ones that just say, I am, that don't have something following the IAM statements, he would reserve it for the ones that just say I am that don't have something following the IAM. John 8.58 is an example of that before Abraham was I am. So he says that's that's one where we legitimately can say he's really invoking Jehovah. But for the rest of these he says I would focus on the symbolic significance of what follows. I am the, and so that's what we'll do here.

I am the way, the truth, and the life. This is the sixth of the seven statements in John. The seventh one is also in this passage. I am the vine. So beautiful, powerful symbols. What stands out to you? I should have also given you a heads up on this, but I have to tell you, my favorite shows are the ones where you're more like a jazz ensemble than backup speakers,

because your insights are just so good. You don't really need me to help you through these passages. I don't know anything about them. You don't know, but I love getting to talk about them together with you. So let's begin with the symbolism of way, truth, or life. Any of those stand out as favorites to you? Thoughts that you've got on them? I like the first part. I am the way, truth, or life. Any of those stand out as favorites to you, thoughts that you've got on them? I like the first part, I am the way. And I've learned that before they began calling themselves, the followers of Christ, calling themselves Christians,

their movement was called the way. In King James, it sometimes says that way. There's also some references to the way. And I think that's interesting, they would call the movement the way early in the church. But I've got written in my margin that he did not say, find your own way or find your own truth. He said, I am the way. John, we are on the same page. And when we get to no man come up under the Father, but by me, we're going to come back and talk about the significance of absolute

truth. But I'll just say right now, if you follow Jesus Christ, you believe in absolute truth. Heck, we believe he is the absolute truth of the capital T. And that's quite a different approach than saying, find your own way, find your own truth. I love that nickname for the followers of Jesus Christ the way. That's just a great name for a movement, isn't it? Earlier in the Gospel of John, Jesus says, you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

And then here, he says, I am the way the truth and the life. So we could go back to his earlier statement and hear him say, you shall know me and I can make you free. John just talked about in a world that says, keeping the commandments is not freedom. Jesus says the exact opposite. I can give you true freedom. Follow my commandments.

I can expand your freedom in ways you never thought possible. John loves this term truth. In fact, here's a fun little feature in Gospel library. You can go to the Gospel of John, and then when you click Search, before you hit Enter, it gives you the option find truth in the Gospel of John, or a single conference talk,

or a decade of conference talks, or a volume of scripture. Now, they don't do the math for you, so you've got to count it up, but I did the math for us in advance. Truth shows up 32 times in John's gospel. Now that includes chapter headings. A second place goes to Matthew with five references, and Matthew and Mark have only three. It's a really simple technique, but a great way to see the usage of a term throughout a particular book of scripture. So we can see that this is a point,

the point that you got Hank, that's exactly what John was hoping that you would recognize. He's been teaching us all along that Jesus Christ is the truth. Rob, tell me again, so I can go to the search engine. Yeah, so you go to the search engine and then you can just type in truth and then it'll give you choices.

You can say truth on page and so you can limit your search there to a particular thing. And if you put it in quotation marks, you get an exact phrase like Palm Sunday. So I was curious, I thought, wow, they're talking a lot about Palm Sunday. I don't remember many references to it.

So I looked it up. So when you go to conference, general conference, it lets you download things by decade. So you can also search by decade. And in the decade of the 1970s, the term didn't show up. It showed up once in 1982, once in a conference talk in 1993, then not again until 2008 and once in 2009, and then once in 2017, nine different talks, nine different speakers quoted it, 21 times in April 2023. That's just interesting to me to see how

something like references to the doctrine of Christ have exploded in the last 10 years or so. And that helps me, I think, align myself with the Lord and the servants to see these are the things that they're emphasizing in our day. Anyway, a little tangent about that tool that I've become a fan of. Yeah, that's really great.

So all you have to do, I just want to make sure our audience gets this. If you're in the General Conference tab, and then you start searching, it'll say, do you want to look up that term in just General Conference or just recent general? And if you're like me and you're a little trigger happy, you go to hit Enter right away, and then you get that term just general conference or just recent general. And if you're like me and you're a little trigger happy, you go to hit enter right away and then you get that term everywhere in gospel library. And you can still filter after the fact,

but it's easiest if you'll just wait a moment and then find it in that particular chapter or book of scripture. I have to admit Rob, I've never read some of the suggestions that come up. I've just hit enter. I've just typed in what I wanted and hit enter, not knowing that it was going to bring up some options for me that would have been actually really helpful. It's a simple thing, but just even the finding on page,

when you think, I know somewhere in this chapter, it says that, well, in the chapter, I click on on page and then it'll take me down to find that word in the talk or chapter. Yeah, how long has that been in front of me and I've missed it? Not too long, so it's a relatively recent development, but they keep doing great work and we don't get to see their names, so thanks to all you guys. I was at a mission farewell and brother Kenneth Cope, one of my dear friends, he had written another verse to because I have been given much, I too must give, for missionaries, and I think I memorized it. So because it was a farewell, they had this verse on the back of the program, the fiery call, right?

And it went like this, because of thy great mission, Lord, I too will serve. I'll leave the comfort of my home to teach thy word. I'll seek thy sheep who've gone astray and those who've never known the way. I will make thy work my work today." That nice. And I saw his double meaning in that and those who've never known the way.

The way is the plan of salvation, but the way can also be the savior himself. John, I love that verse from kind of cope. And I love that insight. In fact, anytime I see the word way and the scriptures, I like to think, what if I capitalize that W? What does that do for me? And you mentioned that and I, it is capitalized in, I've noticed in the book

of Acts in the NIV, it talks about those who are in the way, or the members of the way, and it's capitalized there, because it's one of his names. It's one of Jesus' names. It's one of my favorite names. By the way, the Greek were translated here as way. When I look it up in the blue letter, Bible, I get stuff, and then I just copy and paste that into a note. I'll highlight way. And then among the options there, there's little note. And then those become my scripture margins digitally. I've just filled my scriptures up with stuff like this.

And the work here is Hadass or Hodo, depending on whom I listen to. And here's how it's been defined in Strong's Bible dictionary. By the way, I love the guy on the blue letter Bible. I think he's from the South. So I think I might be getting my Greek with a slight Southern accent, but it's beautiful.

Southern Greece. Yes. I feel like he's a faith brother. Away, a traveler road, a traveler's way, journey, traveling. So that's all what we would have expected. But the second one is metaphorically a course of conduct, a way that is a manner of thinking, feeling, deciding, a manner of thinking, feeling, deciding. This is what Jesus invites all of us to do, is to adopt his way of thinking, feeling, and deciding. It's more than just a map, and it is a map, we'll talk

about some of the instructions we get in the rest of John 14 and 15 about how to get there, but it's a way to be. And it's the way that leads to the greatest blessing seven life father has in store for his children. That's wonderful, Rob. A course of conduct reminds me of second Nephi five, we did live after the manner of happiness. It's a way

of living. It's a course of conduct. I like that. A manner of happiness. Okay, what was that reference, John? Second Nephi. Second Nephi five. Is that where that is? Let's look it up on our gospel library. So this is what I'm doing here. So I highlight that and I go to link. And then I have to hit a few buttons. I gotta go to scriptures and book of Mormon. And now by the way, before you always used to have to know, you couldn't search in mid-connecting. Now you can, it lets you search too. But it's still most helpful if you know it in advance.

So I just go to secondify to the scripture I wanna get to. I touch it and highlights it. It gives me an add in the upper right hand corner and then save once I do that from now on every time I read John 14-6 or that Passage in second Nephi thanks to John Those two scriptures will pop up connected and I find linking them in that way even just as I look for opportunities to link Scriptures it changes the way and for my students it changes the way they've studied the scriptures. You're reading with that peripheral vision in mind all constantly doing what john's always doing popping off with wonderful book of more references for almost any. of God, it's really a great way to help all things come together in one. So thank you for making that connection from me, John. And Rob, I've noticed with my own use of the Gospel Library app, I can't lose these notes.

Whereas if I could leave these scriptures somewhere and they're gone forever, all I got to do is log in on a different device and I've got all my notes. If I change it on my iPad, it changes it on my phone. And for some reason, I have both of those things, it changes it on my phone. And for some reason, I have both of those things. But I love that it, like you said, Hank, I'm not going to lose this, because they're going to sink with each other. That's the other thing is it comes with me wherever my cell phone is. So I have literally tapped into stuff I've done on gospel library on a hike, talking with cousins and sharing the gospel with somebody in some way, it's literally right there. So as a teacher and church leader, I tag things constantly,

making my own topical guide, if you will. So like I might have a category called find your truth not. Full of scriptures and quotes to say, that's not really what Jesus is inviting us to do. But then anytime I feel prompted to address that, I've got several scriptures and conference talks that relate to that. And then I just build those up over time. And it's a great way to treasure up the words of life. And then with a little bit of cheating, it'll be given you in the very hour that portion that shall be needed out to man. I think the Lord expects us to take advantage of the wonderful tools He's provided and this is one of them. Shall we not make use of the things the Lord has provided? Sorry, that's a war chapters reference. Shall we not make use of the things the Lord has provided?

Oh yeah. Let's make use of the gospel library. My seminary teacher, we used to memorize scriptures. He'd say, you're not always going to have your scriptures with you. And I'm like, well, we showed you By the way, I love my my hard copy of the scriptures for some people. It's almost a they're passionate about the debate, but I don't think they're mutually exclusive And so I found this is just a powerful set of tools. One more question about truth. In John 717, the Savior praised the Father that his followers will be sanctified by the truth. That's an interesting phrase. A thought provoking concept to me. Any thoughts on how truth sanctifies? I actually don't have the answers, so I'm hoping one of you does have a thought about this. Yeah, I bet John does. How does truth sanctify it?

If truth sanctifies, what does error do? Does the opposite lead us in the wrong ways? The pollutes. Yeah, distracts. Truth sanctifies. The Holy Ghost is a sanctifier. Truth is the Holy Ghost is a sanctifier. Truth is the Holy Ghost. Yeah, and the true principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ sanctify us.

As we exercise faith in Christ, repent, embrace Him, bind ourselves to Him through ordinances and covenants. That sounds like the doctrine of Christ. Exactly. The doctrine of Christ sanctifies us and it's the ultimate truth. I had just a great quote from Brigadier Myeongh. He said, Jesus said, I am the way the truth in the life. Well, we can turn around and say Satan is the way the truth and the death, or the way and the falsehood. And you perceive the difference, he asks. But to say that Jesus Christ is the way the truth and the life is equivalent to saying that he is the only continued or eternal existence. The Lord Jesus Christ works upon a plan of eternal increase of wisdom, intelligence,

honor, excellence, power, glory, might, and dominion, and the attributes that fill eternity. He goes on, what principle does the devil work upon? To destroy, dissolve, decompose, and tear in pieces? I love this idea that I think Brigham Young is looting to from the doctor and covenants. If I live the truth, I've been given, I get more light, and that light is sanctifying. And if I get more light, I can see more truth. And if I live that truth, then I get more light and that light grow brighter and brighter until the perfect day. So that sounds like a sanctifying process. You know, President Nelson, not in this conference, but one before, said a phrase, I had not

heard before, live the doctrine of Christ, live the doctrine. And I just love that notion. And live doctrine is a phrase that now shows up in the handbook that I think is a powerful idea. In preach my gospel, there's a line my wife, when we were getting ready for our mission, I noticed in block letters, she'd kind of put a block around something. And I said, honey, did you mark my copy

of preach my gospel? She said yes, I did and I said honey You don't mess with other people's copy preach my gospel as she said oh yeah You do because important things are in boxes and they should have put this in a box and they didn't put it in a box And you didn't even highlight it so I had to put it in a box for you and It's talking about and increasingly that when we do these things, they become an increasingly rewarding pattern of living. It's not a one-time thing we do of having faith in Christ or repenting or even ordinances. It's an increasingly rewarding pattern of living an upward virtual cycle as we live the doctrine of Christ. I love that, Brigham Young

Quote, and I had not heard it beforehand. I'm getting that from the show notes, and I'll put it in my notes for John 14.6. Well, there's another great resource out there for people. It's called scriptures.byu.edu. It's amazing. Yeah, you just can go to any verse in scripture, and you can find out if it's been referenced

in any conference talk. So I went to John 14 verse six and there's 142 references, different talks of those who have used this. You can watch and listen to some of the recent ones. You can't watch the ones with Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. Sorry. I want that app. I want that have to with the one that will show me the video. A shout out to these folks because every six months they're updating it again with general conference. And that's an ongoing thing. But I make sure my students have that one. If you ever are given a scripture for a theme as of a talk, start here. And you'll have

some backup from church leaders. That's a great, great, great place to go. But let me just slip in a couple other thoughts about these symbols. Life shows up 49 times in the Gospel of John, only 19 in Matthew 16 in Luke 8 and Mark. So life is another theme for the Gospel of John. And I don't know all the things. It means I love that Brigham young quote, best of all, elder oaks, Oh, and stott, then elder oaks.

Jesus Christ is the life of the world because of his unique position in what the scriptures call the great and eternal plan of deliverance from death. His resurrection and his atonement save us from both physical and spiritual death. And then I might add this thought, it's just speculative, but you know how when life's going well and you say, this is the life, this is living, I feel like when we really

follow Jesus Christ even in mortality, he's the source of joyful living, joyous life. And then one last thought, this is from the last paragraph of that revised for the strength of youth pamphlet. And it's just powerful. Of all the possible choices, the one that matters most is the choice to follow Jesus Christ. He is the strength of youth. His gospel is the joyful way back to your heavenly Father. Again, Kudos to whoever wrote that.

You might be here. I wondered. Yeah. John, I don't know if our listeners know that you serve on the Young Men's board. We don't talk about that all that much to me. No, they changed it to the Young Men's Advisory Council. It's a thrill. We're going to say you buy to Elder Corbett, who is in the the young men's general presidency and is now called to the 70 But rather Mike Nelson is now in the presidency who's who's been there as a secretary in all of our meetings and I just love these guys there That's fantastic and did you write that last paragraph John?

It was Elder Corbett that referred to the doctrine of Christ in his talk It was one of the references to the doctrine of Christ in his talk, is one of the references to the doctrine of Christ in his talk. He gave an amazing address to the new chaplains of the church, which you can find at churchofjesuschrist.org and talked about, you know, kind of activism versus the doctrine of Christ. So in fact, Elder Corbett, it's a perfect segue to the next thing I want to talk about here in the last half of the verse. A few months ago, Elder Clark Gilbert, the Commissioner for Education, invited religious educators in the church to lace five prophetic emphases throughout our teaching.

And one of them is teaching truth with love. And I've got to tell you, John 146, this is one of the most important truths of the entire gospel of Jesus Christ, but this last part is one of the most difficult to teach and it's becoming increasingly difficult. And I think a little corporate and the first presidency and many others do a great job of teaching truth with love. So let me give you a question and then I'll set it up a little bit more. But my question is going to be, how do you teach this truth that there is no other way to the father with love in a way

that doesn't compromise or dilute the truth, but doesn't unnecessarily offend people. So let me set it up a little bit by saying, I think this is going to become increasingly difficult and increasingly important as the percentage of people in the United States and throughout the world who identifies Christians, drops, and even as the percentage of people who believe in absolute truth drops, years ago a woman cut my hair and I was sharing the gospel and she said, well, like Jesus said, all roads lead to heaven. He did? I said, you know, actually, that's, that's not what he said. In fact, he kind of said the opposite. He said that he used the way, the truth in the life. And

there's no way to the father by him. And she said, Oh, well, that's just what I heard. He said, I've never read the Bible. She was, is pretty indicative of kind of casual Christians and the way they think of Jesus. It's a lot like the way that Nihor describes God, kind of the Santa Claus, Jesus, everything goes, doesn't matter, find your truth, and everything will work. Even among practicing Christians, there was a 2019 survey that found that almost half of the millennials, 47%, agree at least somewhat that it is wrong to share one's personal beliefs with someone of a different faith in hopes that they will one day share the same faith.

That's my modeling. So at the beginning of last semester, I did this role play at the beginning of my missionary prep class. I said, so you're at home talking with the roommate about servant emission and they say, you know, I find if I just do my truth and let other people do their truth, we all get along.

In the end, really, what other people do is none of my business. How do you respond? Go. So I let them roleplay for a while and then we discussed it. I shouldn't have been surprised, but I was surprised at how many of these people who are in a class to prepare to go be full-time missionaries were saying, yeah, what's wrong with that statement? I'm sympathetic to that statement. Tell me more about it.

And by the way, we've made great societal progress on multiple fronts and have a lot of progress yet to make. And yet, Satan always does seeks to then harness that to his own gain and then have us kind of get carried away in ways that make it so that to even say there is an absolute truth becomes a controversial statement. Oh, here's my last thought on this. And then I'm curious to know what you do with this particular truth that can be challenging to teach.

Elder Holland in a 2012, September 2012, Enzyne article, Israel, Israel, God is calling, said, I know of no more important ability than to walk that careful path, taking a moral stand, according to what God has declared and the laws he has given, but doing it compassionately and with understanding and great charity. I know of a few distinctions that are harder to make, or at least harder to articulate, but we must lovingly try to do exactly that. Believe me, brothers and sisters. In the world into which we are moving, he says this in 2012, we are going to have a lot of opportunity to develop such strength, display such courage, and demonstrate such compassion all at the same time. So how do you do it?

How do you teach this truth in a way that isn't unnecessarily offensive or weak and at twist on the truth? I can think of something that Dr. Stephen Arkavi used to do at business seminars and kind of to set up what he was going to teach. And he said to people, and usually they were in an unfamiliar setting, like a conference center or something. He would say, everybody cover your eyes and point north. And he said, he would have people pointing in every direction, including straight up. And then he would say, uncover your eyes and look around the room. And they look at each other and everybody be loud, oh, came up the elevator, I can't remember, right? And then he would suggest,

okay, well, why don't we just vote on it? And people would kind of chuckle like, yeah, we can't, I mean, North isn't subject to popular opinion, you can't vote on North. And so he, oh, okay, well, why don't we have the strongest person in the room decide? So we'll set up an arm wrestling tournament or something and people kind of laugh at that. Well, no, that's, it's not a power thing. Oh, okay, well, that's not a power thing. Oh, okay.

Well, let's have the richest person in the room decide. And I jokingly, you know, that's the golden rule. He who has the gold makes the rules. Well, no, that doesn't work. And then I think implied, well, just decide what north is for you, which ensures that everybody's lost, unless we all happen to be standing at the South. And then it works. So after he kind of showed that popular opinion and money and power and relativism don't work, he pulled something out of his pocket, and you both

can guess what it was. It was a compass and he would say, this is true North and his words, it's an external reality. It's not up to me, it's not up to you. It just is. And in his business settings, he would talk about, you know, let's align our lives with true North time honored, timeless principles. Let me add a book Mormon reference, second Nephi 31, where Nephi says, he must press forward. So I tell everybody in the room point forward. Notice we're pointing in opposite directions because I'm at the stand. So maybe forward means whatever you want it to be. Well, no, because Nephi

didn't leave us any wiggle room. He said, he must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ. Forward is Christward. Christ is our true North. But that's how we know we're moving forward. We're going Christward toward Him. Crisis are true North. I love that. President Oaxthat, the existence of God and the existence of absolute truth are fundamental

to life on this earth, whether they are believed or not. One of our try to explain what you're saying here is walking that very fine balance. I like to use stories. They seem to be diffusing of a situation. Like John just did. There's a great story that CS Lewis wrote from his book The Silver Chair, and it's in the Chronicles of Narnia.

There's a girl named Jill. She's in Narnia. If you want to know the background of this, you just need to ask your grandchildren. And she is really thirsty. She's lost in Narnia. She's really thirsty and she finds a clear bubbling stream. But to her horror, blocking her path to the stream is a huge, terrifying lion. And if you know the Chronicles of Narnia, the lion is Aslan who represents Christ. And the lion says, are you thirsty? And she says, I'm dying of thirst. Then drink said the lion. May I? Could I? Would you mind going away while I do?" He said, Jill. The lion answered this only by a look in a very low growl.

As Jill gazed at the motionless bulk, she realized that she might as well have asked the whole mountain to move aside for her convenience. The delicious, rippling noise of the stream was driving her nearly frantic. Will you promise not to do anything to me? If I drink, said Jill, I make no such promises," said the lion. Jill was so thirsty now without noticing it, she had come and stepped nearer to the lion. Do you eat girls?" she said. He answered, I swallow them up. I have consumed girls and boys, women, and men, kings, and emperor, cities, and realms," said the lion. It didn't say this as if it were boasting, nor as if it were sorry, nor as if

it were angry. It just said it. I don't dare come and drink," said Jill. Then you will die of thirst," said the lion. Oh dear, said Jill, coming another step nearer. I suppose I must go and look for another stream then, and in this great moment, as Len says, Jill, there is no other stream. There is no other way where my man can be saved. Wow. That is a great story. That is a great story.

Powerful. So as we are unapologetic and teaching that truth, one of the thoughts that kind of round out our cultural references, this is one to pen jolette, a pen and teller, famous comedy magician duo. Years ago, he was given a copy of a Bible and was asked by a reporter of this, offended him. He's renowned atheist,

he's published books on it. This is what I said, and I think it's really helpful for us. Let me answer a quick analogy here. In Yellowstone, they've got some areas with boardwalks weaving through geothermal features. Some of those geothermal features look like they would be the most amazing hot tub ever. Turquoise, beautiful colors. So let's say your friend gets kind of hypnotized, starts to walk off the boardwalk and say, and I'm jumping in. In today's world, I fear someone just

say, like, wait, find your truth, wait, find your own path. You go, march to the beat of your own drummer. What kind of friend does that? If you're really a friend, you say, well, no, come, come back. What are you doing? That's lethal.

That's gonna kill you. It looks good. It's not, please, come back to the path. And here's what Pendolette said. I've always said that I don't respect people who don't proselytize. I don't respect that at all. If you believe that there's a heaven and a hell and people could be going to hell or not getting eternal life or whatever, and you think that it's not really worth telling them this because it would make it socially awkward. How much do you have to hate somebody

to believe that everlasting life is possible? And not tell them that. For me, this is one of the best things to help me overcome my fears of testifying of Jesus Christ. When I realized, wow, I'm thinking about me if I'm worried that people might be offended. Now, that said, we have some wonderful truths available to us in the restoration that fill in the post-mortal possibilities with more merciful detail than we would have if we just had the Bible. And I think we need to emphasize a couple of those. I was reading a book by an evangelical pastor and I googled him just to see a little bit more about him.

And he'd been interviewed by an NBC reporter who asked, is Jesus the only way? And he kind of danced, did a little awkward dance and at some point mentioned, unless God has a trap door that he hasn't told us about. And then I found an article from another writer just tearing him apart for equivocating, saying, you know, what kind of answers this? We know the answer. It's in the Bible. There's no other way, and everybody else goes to hell. It's tough truth, but you got to teach it. And in a way, they're both right. The one, else goes to hell. It's tough truth, but you got to teach it. And in a way, they're both right. The one, if you had only the Bible, that's what we would think. But this other fellow,

I think that the light of Christ was nudging him to think, there's got to be more to this story that I don't know. But he didn't have section 137 of the Doctrine and Covenants. We do what an amazing truth to know that all who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it, if they had been permitted to Terry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God, and all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their heart shall be heirs of that kingdom. So it's not a free pass, but I take that to mean there gonna be all sorts of people who receive the greatest blessings the Father has in store,

who in this life didn't have the right circumstances to know about Jesus Christ. So this is a relatively distinctive truth of the restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ that we understand that will be all sorts of wonderful people who acted in this life according to all the light knowledge that they had they'll continue on that trajectory in the next life they won't be able to get in without Jesus. He is the way. He is the only way there is no other way, but they will have that opportunity millions and millions of people in ways that they didn't in this life. in this life. And even for those then who aren't as valiant as President Oaks recently has taught us the reveal doctrine of the restored church of Jesus Christ

teaches that all the children of God with exceptions too limited to consider here will finally end up in a kingdom of glory. When we go back to John 14 to there's a Joseph Smith quote here. He doesn't do a Joseph Smith translation, but a Joseph Smith quote that is helpful. He said, my text is on the resurrection of the dead, which you will find in the 14th chapter of John. And my father's house are many mansions. It should be in my father's kingdom or many kingdoms in order that you may be heirs of God and joint heirs with me.

There are mansions for those who obey a celestial law and there are other mansions for those who come short of the law every man in his order. Even as we disagree with people of other faiths, President Nelson and other church leaders, they've modeled for us how we can build on common ground, do good together, even humbly learn from others. Think of President Oaks' talk that was unprecedented with a first half of his talk was a commercial for participating in any religious community, including a synagogue or a mosque. And then he also went on to teach of the distinctive benefits of being a member of the Church

of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The church is cooperated and put together a 35-page pamphlet that I love on Latter-day Saints and Muslims. And that's close to my heart. I taught, developed and taught for years a course on Pakistan at BYU Idaho. And the point of the course wasn't really to make students' experts on Pakistan, but to help them think more carefully, more precisely, less sloppy, including in some of the assumptions that they'd made about people they didn't know much about, especially Islam. And so we taught them about Kirstur Stendahl's concept

of holy envy, leaving room for seeing good and others. I had a Muslim roommate, and Amat taught me to pray more intensely than I prayed. I was inspired by his example. I didn't budge on the truths of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ yet, there was still room for me to learn from him. So we can simultaneously disagree with others, but love them, learn from them, work together with them. I think that's all part of how we teach these truths with love. And for me then the final

kind of the bottom line for these first few verses of John 14 are that there's not limited seating in heaven. Salvation is not a zero-sum game. In fact, we're better off trying to help other people get admission to heaven if we want to seat there ourselves. But the seats aren't all the same. There are varying degrees of glory. How we live, what we believe here matters. And mercifully some people will get chances in the next life that they might not have gotten in this life. And then finally, the only reason any of us can get access to any seed in heaven

is because of the way the atoning blood of Jesus Christ. That's awesome. The rest of the chapter I see is kind of a map for how do we get there. And I'll give you this summary. Exalting discipleship begins with loving Jesus. That love leads to genuine wholehearted obedience. And that kind of obedience invites the companionship of the Holy Ghost

and all of that yields peace. So let's start with John 14, 15. John, would you mind reading that for us? John 14, 15. If you love me, keep my comments. I don't want to re-plow ground. You must have plowed last week, and I don't know, because I haven't been able to hear that podcast yet,

but you must have talked about, if you love me, keep my commandments, or love one another. My wife introduced me to the love language is a concept that's based on a popular book. For her, she would much rather have me do the dishes than say, I love you. Everybody's got a popular book. For her, she would much rather have me do the dishes than say, I love you. Everybody's got a different mode. Her mode is doing stuff. For Mother's Day, I found her favorite gift is the Saturday before Mother's Day, its project day. We just go do stuff.

And by the way, I have never enjoyed working in the yard or cleaning the garage more than I do on Mother's Day Saturday because I'm doing it out of love. Well, here Jesus tells us, his love language is obedience. Keep his commandments. Not perfection, but wholeheartedly earnestly striving. You know, when I hear people debate what's necessary to be saved, to make it to heaven, I sometimes wonder for Christians if we're asking the wrong question,

to me that feels almost like student saying, is this on the final and then closing their laptop, if it's not, wouldn't a better question be, what does Jesus want me to do? How can I show my love to him? How can I become more like him? I was blessed in working on present-iring biography to read,

all his journals, and read everything we could find that he'd ever written. And one of his teachings that stood out most to me was from a 1977 enzyme article, that old section, I have a question. The question here is not important, but I love this answer. If my main motive is to please God, I will be sensitive to the Spirit as it warnms me away from what would this please him. Once I've decided I want eternal life more than business success. I will have crossed the great Gulf between wanting to know what God would permit and trying to do what he would prefer. I love that last line. I think I probably would have called the biography, what God prefers. That is the mantra that's guided present-iring's life, and that really needs to guide the

life of any disciples. And Jesus lets us know what He would prefer is that we keep His commandments. Wow, that's a great idea. Across the great divide from what God would permit to what He would prefer. By the way, that's 1977, but I think that kind of discipleship undergirded by asking what would the Lord prefer and not just what would he permit. That's the kind of exalting discipleship.

Jesus is teaching as disciples about here and the upper room discourse. By the way, when I obey out of love, I am so much happier and my efforts are so much more effective. We would do a mean little trick with our new missionaries and have them play a missionary rule boggle. And you would come up with as many rules or commandments missionaries are supposed to keep in just 90 seconds and then we'd put them all up on the board and say, well, these

are great rules. We're going to talk about getting up on time and staying with your companion. But most of the time, this wouldn't be true today. In fact, I've tried it with my classes. They get it now because there has been an explosion of references in general conference talks to Matthew 22, 36 through 40 to the two great commandments. Now I can't trick my students anymore when I ask them among the first commandments that they mention are love God and love his children

So I would say in this mission the two most important rules are found right here in Matthew 22 and on them hang everything else Elder Oaks in one of his first talks President Oaks as the new member of the 12 has spoke on I think it was called the reasons we serve and he described a of motivation, from reasons unworthy of saints all the way up to serving out of love of God and love of his children. We told our missionaries, you can get to this end of the spectrum, the happier you'll be and the more effective you'll be. And I found that that's true for me.

When I served for extrinsic reasons, because I'm supposed to, because somebody else wants me to, because I want to impress somebody I'm less happy than what I serve for intrinsic purposes because I'm I feel like this will please God. And President Nelson's moved us in that direction with his wonderful question about what sign do I want to give on this habit. As a kid my Sabbath day approach was mom may I do this what will the Lord permit. I just wanted her to decide for me and say yes, but in a precursor to what President Nelson will later teach us, she would say, well, we'll

bring you closer to the Lord. She wanted me to decide. She wanted me to think. But the Savior here is teaching us when we love Him, we keep His commandments. And when we keep those commandments out of love, we keep them differently, more joyfully, and our service is more effective. some differently, more joyfully, and our service is more effective. So many of the commandments will protect us from so many not very good consequences that sometimes I think if you love yourself, keep the commandments, you know, because you're going to avoid so many problems. So yeah, if you love to save, you keep the commandments. But look at how difficult life becomes if you don't and do the math. If you love yourself, keep the commandments. But look at how difficult life becomes if you don't

and do the math. If you love yourself, keep the commandments. You'll protect yourself from a lot of hurt, heartache, and sorrow. Do the consequences math? What a great thought. So in these chapters, we probably learn more about the Holy Ghost than we do.

And maybe the rest of the New Testament combined, I haven't done the numerical analysis there. And my guess is it's for a couple of reasons one we didn't have the gift of the Holy Ghost operative according to John chapter 7 verse 39 and the Bible dictionary During the Savior's ministry the power of the Holy Ghost was there So in some ways this is kind of like the baptismal talk on the Holy Ghost For the apostles who will soon be getting the gift of the Holy Ghost. But they're also going to really need the gift of the Holy Ghost. Tough things are ahead for them.

And so we get some great instruction about various roles the Holy Ghost plays. So let's just jump in and draw from any of these chapters, scriptures that teach us about what the Holy Ghost does and how that blesses us. Hank or John, any that you want to start with? Sure. Where do you want me to start, Rob? We could start by just comforting us. John 14, 16, and 18, verse 16 says, and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another

comforter that He may abide with you forever. Verse 18 says, I will not leave you comfortless. I will come to you. Any thoughts about the role of the Holy Ghost as a comforter, which the New Testament manual tells us, the Greek word, I'm not even going to say it,

probably, translated comforter in the King James version appears only in John. The word is composed of parameting besides and cleat those meaning one who is summoned. So a paraclete dose and I'm probably not saying it right, is one who is summoned to another side as a helper, intercessor or advocate. I think that advocate comes from paracletos 2. I've read that before. That's interesting because that's another one of my favorite titles for the Saviors. I'm your

advocate with Father in one of John Epistles, I think. I love that a comforter is we have that name for a nice warm blanket. This verse, John 1416 is referenced in one of my all-time favorite talks from General Conference, and that was the tender mercies of the Lord from Elder Bednar. His very first talk in General Conference. I don't remember that one. I'm just joking. I don't remember that one. I'm just joking. I'm joking. Okay.

I'm part of our good old Mexican tender mercies. I was like, wait, what? Yeah. Get him out of here. Get him out of my town. Get him off my podcast. All right.

Elder Benar in that talk says, says this. He says, recall how the Savior instructed his apostles that he would not leave them comfortless. Not only would he send another comforter, even the Holy Ghost, but the Savior said that he would come to them. Let me suggest that one of the ways whereby the Savior comes to each of us is through his abundant and tender mercies. As you and I face challenges and tests in our lives, the gift of faith and the appropriate sense of personal confidence that reaches beyond our own capacity are two examples of the tender mercies of the Lord. And he goes on and says, repentance and forgiveness of sins and peace of conscience are examples of the tender mercies of

the Lord. This is the Savior saying, I will not leave you comfortless. I will come to you. Such a beautiful talk centered on these verses. I will come to you. Such a beautiful talk centered on these verses. In John 18, Comfortless, the word there is rendered orphan in some other translations. Thayer's Greek lexicon that I see when I look it up in Blue Letter Bible says, bereft of a father of parents, fatherless of those bereft of a teacher, guide, or guardian. He's not going to leave us without a teacher guide or guardian. What wonderful, wonderful descriptions for the role of the Holy Ghost, a teacher, guide, and guardian. He's not going to leave us without a teacher guide or guardian. What wonderful, wonderful descriptions for the role of the Holy Ghost, a teacher guiding guardian. I love the references guiding us into all truths. So, over 17, it's called, allegosis referred to as the Spirit of Truth

and John 1526, we get this truth about the Holy Ghost, but when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which preceded from the Father, he shall testify of me. And then this reference in John 16 13, how be it when he shall come? The Spirit of truth is come. He will guide you into all truth, for he shall not speak of himself. But whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he he speak he will show you all things. I love this imagery of guiding you into all truth. I didn't grow up in a family with a water ski boat.

Our speed was more a life raft. We used to float down the river and it usually leaked. But occasionally somebody would invite us to go water skiing and I was intrigued with how you put the boat back on the trailer at the end of the day and you had to get it just right or it wouldn't stay on. And someone would guide that boat into that trailer, little after little right to find just the right spot. I love this imagery, especially in our day, of how the Holy Ghost will guide us in a critical exercise. This quote from President Nelson has become justifiably famous,

this invitation. My beloved brothers and sisters, I plead with you to increase your spiritual capacity to receive revelation. Choose to do the spiritual work required to enjoy the gift of the Holy Ghost and hear the voice of the Spirit more frequently and more clearly. I think it's important, though, to recognize the context in which that occurs. He prefaces it with this statement. I'm optimistic about the future. It will be filled with opportunities for each of us to progress, contribute, and take the gospel to every corner of the earth.

But I am also not naive about the days ahead. We will live in a world that is complex and increasingly contentious. The constant availability of social media and a 24-hour news cycle bombard us with relentless messages. If we are to have any hope of sifting through the myriad of voices and the philosophies of men that attack truth, we must learn to receive revelation. Our Savior and Redeemer Jesus Christ will perform some of his mightiest miracles between now and when he comes again. We will see miraculous indications that God, the Father, and his Son, Jesus Christ, preside over this church in majesty and glory, but in coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Ghost. One other function of the Holy Ghost

that I love is John 1426, but the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost. One other function of the Holy Ghost that I love is John 14, 26, but the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost from the Father, will send in my name, he shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have said unto you. I love this functionality generally, and you too, I'm sure experience this times when the Spirit's brought to your mind just the right story, just the right teaching, just the right scripture. But I want to throw in just a little editorial aside on New Testament text. I don't want to over claim, but I also don't want to claim too little for James, for the gospel writers, for John, and for Matthew, I wonder if this particular promise wasn't especially poignant for them. I've not participated in the creation of Scripture, but I have sat at the feet of two men,

I sustain as prophets, seers, and revelators for many hours with Elder Hales and President Iring, asking them about events that occurred decades earlier in their life. I think it would be a shame to underestimate the ability of the Holy Ghost to help writers like Matthew and John remember what they need to remember and Producing a text the Lord knew would be read by millions and millions of people What a cool opportunity and then here's one other passage about the Holy Ghost and then we'll move on This isn't John 168 and I have to tell you, it's one that puzzled me. And it's because the King James translation, which is my favorite,

it's I think unparalleled for majesty and power, but I use the other translations to supplement my study and sometimes they get me critical insights and they do in this first. And when he is come, he will approve the world of sin and righteousness and of judgment. And when he is come, he will approve the world of sin and righteousness and of judgment. And that just approve the world of righteousness. Judgment, I don't get that. But the word translated, approve here, according to Barnes notes on the Bible that I get when I look at up on Blue Letter Bible says he

will approve. The word translated , approve means commonly to demonstrate by argument, to prove, to persuade anyone to do a thing by presenting reasons. The Holy Ghost will convince a world that's come to doubt the existence of sin, that it's real, that righteousness is real, and that judgment, which has become almost just the dirty word, is real. I mean, and that kind of de facto articles of faith of the emerging religion of the world that's find your truth and don't be judgy. The Holy Ghost will help people see.

Now, actually sin is real, righteousness is real. We will one day be held accountable for the way that we live. These are critical concepts not to overlook and apparently the Holy Ghost plays a role in helping the world understand and be convinced of them. The Holy Ghost will show you things as they really are. Section 93, also I love it in Jacob. Jacob 413 I think. Speak of the things as they really are and as they really will be.

And I love the really extra in there. Because truth is in all of the things as they are as they were as they are to come. But sometimes it can be so confusing. We need something to show us the way things really are. And that's Jacob 413 I think. And all this yields peace. If we were doing a chemical equation that we'd have like an arrow at the end after loving Christ, obeying Him, having the companionship of the Holy Ghost, the resultus peace. I love Sister Camille Johnson's teaching.

I testify that Jesus Christ is relief. Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we may be relieved of the burden and consequences of sin and be suckered in our infirmity. And President Irang said, the Savior's invitation to come to him is an offer of peace. But he said, the gift of peace is given after we have the faith to keep the commandments.

And interesting how many names we've talked about, the way, the truth, the life. And I remember that when she said, Jesus Christ is relief. Oh, yeah, he's a new name for him. Just another name, yeah. Let not your heart be troubled, believe in God, believe also in me. And then this marvelous promise in John 1427. By the way, that verse, that first one was from verse one. Here's just another scripture study technique.

Take out the chapter breaks. They were added centuries later. And sometimes prevent us from seeing continuity. The Savior's just told Peter that he's going to deny him three times, but a sweet thing to follow that up with, don't let your heart be troubled. Just believe in me. Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you, not as the world giveeth, give I unto you, let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. Is John 1427 and then in John 1633, these things I have spoken unto you that in me,

you might have peace. In the world, you shall have tribulation. But be of good cheer, I have overcome the world. I have a story about John 1427. I was the newlywed, my wife and I were in the Marriott Center. This is one of those moments when I could tell you, I bet I could get within feet of where I was sitting, even in that big arena, because I almost came out of my chair when I heard Elder Jeffrey R. Holland say this, and I remember going, did he just, what did that it was so wonderful to me and it was March 2nd of 1997. Back in the 1900s. Wow. Can you believe that? You must have the Holy Ghost to bring that kind of memory.

It was like a deacon or something. I still remember going, whoa, I've never thought of it that way before, but he gave a talk and think it was called Come into Christ. And this was before we had speeches.biu.edu. And I had to write to his office and say, where can I get a copy of that and eventually book trusting Jesus or you could go to speeches.byu.edu. But after he read John 1427, just one paragraph, if you guys don't mind, he said, I submit to you that this may be one of the Savior's

commandments. Now, first of all, that made me go, what? Let not your heart be troubled. Neither let it be afraid as a commandment. Back to Elder Holland, I submit to you that this may be one of the Savior's commandments that is, even in the hearts of otherwise faithful Latter-day Saints, almost universally

disobeyed. And yet, I wonder whether our resistance to this invitation could be any more grievous to the Lord's merciful heart. I can tell you this is apparent, as concerned as I would be if somewhere in their lives, one of my children were seriously troubled or unhappy or disobedient, nevertheless I would be infinitely more devastated if I felt that at such a time the child could not trust me to help or thought his or her interest was unimportant to me or unsafe in my care. In that same spirit, I am convinced that none of us can appreciate how deeply it wounds the loving heart of the Savior of the world when he finds that his people do not feel confident in his care or secure in his hands or trust in his commandments.

Can you see why I almost came out of my chair? I had never Entertain the idea that if I let my heart become troubled or afraid that in a way I Could be wounding the loving heart of the Savior like don't you trust me type of a thing? I had never considered that before the trust in Jesus that comes from real faith Leads to peace. We have to worry about so much less when we really trust His promises. Anthony Sweat read on your Easter episode said that Dr. And in Covenant's 1923 was kind of the mantra for His doctrine and Covenant's class.

I love that verse and I think it's a key that helps us understand one of the ways that this promise of peace can be realized in the life of Jesus as followers. Learn of me and listen to my words, walk in the meekness of my spirit, and you shall have peace in me. When we follow Christ, we let all sorts of things go. People cutting in front of us in traffic, the things that become source of irritation, frustration, and squabbles, and thus a lack of peace in our lives become non-starters if we'll just walk in the meekness of the spirit.

I also find that having an eternal perspective brings amazing peace. I don't want to steal the thunder from your episodes on Acts 4, but I love the boldness and peace that Peter has. It's almost as if he's saying to the Sanhedrin, what are you going to do? Kill me? Yeah, I resurrect turns out. Yeah, you got nothing on it. He is bold and full of peace because of what he now knows. When we live life with an eternal perspective, we have greater peace. I love Abraham 2.16. Eternity was our covering. Abraham said as they sojourned. When we frame all that happens in life against the backdrop of eternity,

we live differently, but I think we also live with greater peace. So much stuff just kind of melts away. That in the moment seems like such a big deal. Rob, excellent. Please join us for part two of this podcast.