Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - Matthew 14; Mark 6; John 5-6 Part 2 • Dr. Jason Combs • Mar. 27 - Apr. 2

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

Dr. Combs continues to examine the miracle of Jesus and Peter walking on the water and how Jesus’s call to “Be not afraid.” How do we cast aside our doubts and fears?00:00 Part II– Dr. Jason Combs00:14 John 5 and 6 and the nature of the Gospel of John02:31 Three miracles (or signs) in John 5 and 604:10 Who added the angel stirring the water?09:20 President Packer “Who Stirred the Water?”12:23 First miracle in Jerusalem and on the Sabbath16:36 Jesus reminds that sin isn’t the cause of this infirmity22:20 Jesus calls witnesses28:21 One final witness to Jesus33:34 Often skipped over signs, including manna and Bread from Heaven42:18 Sirach or Wisdom of Ben Sira46:52 Sacrament lessons in John49:23 Hard sayings and the Sacrament55:00 President Ardeth Kapp story about a boy shaking the Prophet’s hand58:12 “Will ye also go away?” and Dr. Combs shares a personal missionary story1:06:47 End of Part II–Dr. Jason CombsShow Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.coFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FollowHimOfficialChannelThanks to the followHIM team:Shannon Sorensen: Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com/products/let-zion-in-her-beauty-rise-piano

Welcome to part two, Dr. Jason Cones, Matthew 14, Mark 6, and John 5 and 6. Let's move on to the Gospel of John, to John chapter 5 and 6. One of the non-synoptic Gospel. So what do we call it? Just John. That's what we call it. There's the synoptics, and then there's John. And then there's John. Yeah. So Eusebius, who's a fourth century Christian historian, quotes Clement of Alexandria, who was writing in the second century,

and he says that the reason we have the gospel of John is because of John's disciples. He says that John's disciples encouraged John to write this gospel, and that John was familiar with the other gospels. So he decided to write a different kind of gospel. According to Clement of Alexandria quoted in UCBS, he decided to write a more symbolic gospel or a more spiritual gospel. The backstage pass.

That's right. You can see that throughout John in the way that he selects his stories. For instance, John's the one that makes it clear to us that there could have been a lot more books than what we have. And he says that at the end of the gospel that if we had written down everything Jesus said and did, the world couldn't fit all the books that could be written. So John is being incredibly selective in the stories he chooses. And it just so happens that some of the stories we're looking at today are stories that are found in the synoptic gospels.

John includes the account of Jesus walking on water. He includes the account of Jesus miraculously feeding a multitude of 5,000 people. But the way that John writes those stories is totally different than the synoptic gospels. You can put the synoptic gospels side by side and sometimes read straight across and they use the exact same words. John tells the same stories using his own words. He's being a little more creative here. Now, one of the things John does in being very selective and symbolic in terms of the stories he chooses

is John chooses seven miracles of Jesus to emphasize throughout his gospel. He likes the number seven. It's complete whole, perfect. And you've already discussed on the podcast this year, the miracle of turning water into wine, the miracle of healing, the nobleman's son at the end of John chapter 4. Now in chapter 5 and 6, we get three miracles, three more miracles back to back.

We get the healing of a man who is lame at the pool of Bethesda, and then we get the feeding of 5,000, and then we get the feeding of 5,000, and then we get the miracle of walking on water. That will leave you with two more miracles to cover with your future guests, the healing of the manborn blind in John 9, and then the raising of Lazarus from the dead in John 11. So notice how John punctuates these miracles with a raising somebody from the dead miracle to lead into then Jesus's own raising of the dead, right? It is his resurrection. I seem to recall too that John doesn't have any parables by one definition of it. There's a place where it says he spake a parable. I'm the good shepherd, which isn't really the kind of parable, but

there's no parables. Yes, and another thing that's interesting, I've been describing all these seven miracles as miracles, but John doesn't call them that. John doesn't use the word miracles. He calls them signs. So for John, each one of these is a sign that Jesus is performing, that is a miracle. It is miraculous, but it's a sign that points us to Jesus, that helps us understand more about who Jesus is. So let's start off with a sign number three in John chapter 5.

So John chapter 5 begins by telling us that there's a feast of the Jews that's coming up and so Jesus goes to Jerusalem. This doesn't specify which feast right here. We'll talk more about what feasts are happening in just a minute in the next chapter. That's the detail that's not as important to this story. What's important about this story is the detail it will reveal in John chapter 5 verse 9 that this story takes place on the Sabbath. Here we have Jesus at Jerusalem by the

sheep market. There's this pool that's called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda. We're told having five porches. Then it goes on in verse three and indies lay a great multitude of impotent folk of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. So there's a bunch of people who are powerless, who are disabled, waiting for the moving of the water. Now, John 4 continues to describe why they're waiting for the moving of the water. John, a chapter 5 verse 4 says, for an angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water. And who, so ever, then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole

of whatsoever disease he had. If you take a look in the New Testament Institute manual, it quote-celled or mcconkey here, it's quoting his doctrinal New Testament commentary. Here's a quote from Elder McConkey. Any notion that angel came down and troubled the water so that the first person there after entering in them would be healed was pure superstition. Healing miracles are not wrought in any such matter. I think that Elder McConkey would be pleased to know that that whole verse does not show up in most of the earliest New Testament manuscripts. It's missing. It was added later.

It's a tradition. It is. They see bubbles and think, oh, I bet that's an angel, probably. Well, I can see why someone would put in the explanation because if you didn't have it, you wouldn't know what the guy was saying when he says, I have no man to put me in the water. You'd be like, why did he say that? What are you waiting for? So somebody probably well-meaning put it in. But it's nice to know that our Bible did not originally say that an angel was coming down and making the water into a fountain of youth or something like that. You don't see that in the gospel very often, right, Jason? You don't see Come first come first serve. You know, I got one piece of sacrament bread up here. This is the real way to be healed It's getting lying quickly. We just read about Jesus multiplying loaves and fishes to feed a multitude

He didn't just throw one loaf in the air and said whoever grabs it gets it. Yeah So there's the man who's waiting there and we're told in verse five He has been struggling with his infirmity for quite a long time He's been dealing with this for 38 years Jesus sees him and approaches him Recognizing how long the time he is he is waited to be healed and Jesus walks up to him and in verse six asks will thou be made whole and The man reacts by saying,

well, yeah, that's why I'm here. I'd love to be made whole. I can't make it into the pool fast enough. I need somebody to help get me into the pool. So he's expecting Jesus to respond by saying, oh, well, I'll help you out. I'll get you into the pool as soon as it's stirred. I'll get you in there fast enough so that you can be healed. But instead, in verse 8, Jesus says, rise, take up thy bed and walk, and in verse 8, we're told immediately

the man was made whole, took up his bed and walked. And then, we're told that this is a Sabbath day, and that sets up what we're about to read next. Next, we find out that that causes some trouble because now this man is walking around the city carrying his bed on the Sabbath. Some people spot him. This might be a good point to point out that John often summarizes Jesus' opponents by just saying the Jews. In Matthew and Mark, it's the Pharisees or the scribes or the chief priests or the Herodians. In John, time and again, John will just say,

the Jews did this. And I think it's important to remember that this is John writing at a later time when Christians and Jews are having disagreements with each other. They're separated. At the time that Jesus lived, Jesus is very much Jewish. Jesus is attending synagogue. Jesus was circumcised according to the covenant. He is fully Jewish and his disciples are all Jewish. So it would be a little bit surprising for somebody who's Jewish in the time of Jesus to read John and say,

wait a minute, what do you mean the Jews? Jesus is a Jew. But by the time that John is writing this, even Christians who were Jews are often being kicked out of the synagogue, not allowed to participate if they wanted to. Christians have formed their own groups by this time. So from John's perspective, it is Jesus versus the Jews, even though in Jesus'

lifetime, things are a little more complicated. The Jews are Pharisees and Sadducees and Herodians and Chief Priest and scribes, and Jesus and His disciples. There are lots of Jews that are following Jesus. President Boyd K. Packer gave the most beautiful talk called the Moving of the Water. And this was in April 1991. And I know that the three of us here have been to the pool of the desert before. It's kind of like way low, isn't it? Because the place where you're standing is higher than the level where this would have taken place. But President Packer said he quoted this story from John V,

and then he said there has always been in all of humanity a sprinkling of those who are described in the scriptures as the blind, the halt, the lame, the death, the weather, the dumb, the important folk. We refer to them as having learning or communication disorders as the hearing or visually impaired those with motor or orthopedic limitations. We speak of intellectual or emotional impairment, mental illness, some suffer from a combination

of these. All of them cannot function without help. I speak to the families of those who, at birth or as the result of accident or disease, must live with an impaired body or mind. I desire to bring comfort to those to whom the words handicapped or disability have a very personal meaning. And then he goes on to teach doctrine of resurrection, of never ridiculing your teasing. There's just a couple of paragraphs that I thought were so beautiful. You parents and you families whose lives must be reordered because of a handicapped one who's resources in time

must be devoted to them. Give me a sec here, I have extended family I'm thinking about. Our special heroes, You are manifesting the works of God with every thought, every gesture of, hang on guys, hang, tell me a joke. You're doing great. Okay, hang on. Why? Take it, you breath. You're manifesting, you are manifesting the works of God with every thought, with every gesture of tenderness and care you extend to the loved one. Never mind the tears nor the hours of regret and discouragement. Never mind the times you feel you cannot stand another day of what is required. You are living the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ in exceptional purity and you perfect yourselves in the process.

The day of healing will come. Bodies which are deformed and minds which are warped will be made perfect. In the meantime, we must look after those who wait by the pool of Bethesda. Isn't that beautiful? Yeah, that is beautiful. We must look after those who wait by the pool of Bethesda. Isn't that beautiful? Yeah, that is beautiful. Because we know people who devote a lot of their lives to taking care of a loved one and who are waiting by the pool of Bethesda. I just thought that was a beautiful talk and I think we all know some who do that.

Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, absolutely. Jason, is this Jesus' first miracle in Jerusalem? Do we know? Because so often in our minds, we think all of this is happening in the same place where a lot of his miracles are taking place up in Galilee, which is in the northern part of the country, and this is in the southern part of the country. Yeah, this is one of those details that's unique to the gospel of John. In the other gospels, they focus entirely on Jesus' mission in Galilee, and they leave the stories about what Jesus did in Jerusalem for the very end of their gospels.

Remember the Bible dictionary entry we read at the beginning suggests that we don't really know the chronological order, and that each of the gospels because their testimonies are sharing their testimonies, they're not trying to get the chronology perfect. Although some may want to look at the beginning of his gospel in the first four verses, he says that he is trying to give an order to count of the things. And he talks about he knows eye witnesses, he's talking eye witnesses. So Luke may he talks about he knows eyewitnesses, he's talking eyewitnesses. So, Luke may be presenting his gospel as the definitive chronology, but based on comparing all the gospels, it's really difficult to say. So, in the gospel of John, Jesus comes to Jerusalem a couple of times, but in the

other gospels, we only get Jesus and Jerusalem at the end of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. Yeah, coming for his final time. Coming for his final time. And I think they do that intentionally to present that as Jesus' final time. So that when you see Jesus' prophesied in all three of the gospels, he prophesies multiple times that he will go to Jerusalem and he'll have to suffer many things of the chief priests and others there and that he will then die and be resurrected in Jerusalem. By the other Gospels, saving Jerusalem for the end, it sets us up as readers of the Gospels to feel

a little bit of anxiety as Jesus is approaching Jerusalem, because we know what's coming. Jesus has prophesied at multiple times. But John, he goes to Jerusalem. John, he goes to Jerusalem other times. Yeah. Oh, I should mention there is one account in Luke where Jesus goes to Jerusalem. John, he goes to Jerusalem other times. Yeah. Oh, I should mention there is one account in Luke where Jesus goes to Jerusalem as a child. At the end of Luke 2, that Jesus goes as a 12 year old to a festival with his parents there and then goes back. But in terms of his ministry,

it wasn't until I went to the Holy Land that I understood, wow, this is a long ways away from Galilee where he's spending a lot of time, where his disciples are from, and then that trip down to Jerusalem. That's quite a trip. So Jason, it's the Sabbath, kind of the dun dun dun moment. It is the Sabbath. He just mentions it right at the very end of the story. Oh, by the way. Right at the very end of the story, in verse 59 we get that. And then to make sure we don't forget that it's repeated

in the very next verse in chapter 5 verse 10 the Jews therefore said unto him that was cured it is the Sabbath it is not lawful for the to carry thy bed and just in case you forget by verse 16 we're reminded and because he had done these things on the Sabbath. So, we're reminded multiple times that all of these events are happening on the Sabbath. Is anybody there just going, this is so wonderful. That man for 38 years had been like this. Does that just go, you know, how come nobody's gone? This is the best day ever.

Did you see what we just saw? That man has been like, no, I just, it's not entirely clear from the story that the Jews who are questioning him were aware that he was just cured. They just see him walking around with this bed. And then he's the one that tells them, hey, it's the one that just made me whole that told me to take up my bed and walk in verse 11.

So then they ask him, wait a minute, who said this to the, who said to the take up right bed and walk? And he says, I don't know, because Jesus said, just hear it him and then stepped away. And apparently the man obeyed him so quickly, just jumped up, grabbed his bed and walked away. I didn't get a name. I didn't get a name. I forgot to ask. The movie, the church made

about this. I love the actor they chose to be this man. His eyes looking up at the Savior. Just go find them a church Bible videos on this story. It's really good. I'll have to take a look at that. So then Jesus finds them again. He finds them in the temple in verse 14 and says to him, He finds them in the temple in verse 14 and says to him, thou art made whole, sin no more, less a worse thing come unto thee. I think it's important to pause right there and remind ourselves that Jesus isn't saying, Jesus isn't connecting sin to disability or sin to sickness there. I think you could misread that as thinking, oh, wait a minute, Jesus is saying, sin no more,

less, you're going to become crippled again. I don't think that's what's going on. And I think Jesus makes that very clear later in chapter nine when people are asking a question about a man who had been blind since birth and they're asking whose fault is it? And Jesus answers and says, neither have this man sinned nor his parents. Jesus is not suggesting that disability or sickness is in any way attached to sin. I think that's really important to point out

so that we don't misread this verse. But Jesus has now identified himself to the man, so the man departs and tells the Jews that we're asking before that it's Jesus. So in verse 16, we learn that the Jews start to persecute Jesus and even seek to slay him, it says, because he had done these things on the Sabbath. And Jesus answers them and doesn't deny it, but in fact, in some ways, as Jesus often does in the gospel of John, doubles down on the very thing that is upsetting them. So Jesus says, the father worked with hitherto and I work. And then the Jews responded and it says they sought the more to kill him because he had not only broken the Sabbath, but he had said that God was his father, make himself equal to God. Now, I think it's important to note there that the Jews are not upset that he said

his father works on the Sabbath. That doesn't seem to upset them. They're only upset that he makes himself equivalent to God and that he is working on the Sabbath. And I think the reason they're not so upset that he suggests God works on the Sabbath is because that was a common assumption held by lots of Jews in that time period. Even though the beginning of Genesis chapter 2 makes it clear that God rested on the Sabbath, a lot of Jews pointed out that that must have been a one-time thing for God and that God must in our day work on the Sabbath, and their logic for that is just look around. Plants continue to grow on the Sabbath. Babies are born on the Sabbath. The world keeps

on spinning on the Sabbath, which means God who controls everything in the universe must still be working on the Sabbath. So they're not upset that Jesus is saying the Father works on the Sabbath. that's common knowledge for them. What they're upset with is that they see Jesus working on the Sabbath by Jesus making, and Jesus making himself equal to God, they say. Once again, Jesus, rather than diffusing the situation, doubles down and in verse 19 says, barely, barely, I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what do you see if the Father do? For the things so ever he do with, these the Son likewise,

for the Father love at the Son, and showeth all things to Him that He Himself do with, and so on. And then goes on to give other examples for the Father raises up the dead, and quickeneth them, even so the Son, quickeneth whom He will, again doubling down on the equivalence between Himself and the Father. up the dead and quickeneth them, even so the Son, quickeneth whom he will. Again, doubling

down on the equivalence between himself and the Father. Now, it's interesting that Jesus went with this particular example, quickeneth, just fancy old King James English, meaning giving life, and that was one of the arguments they made for God working on the Sabbath. They said, God works on the Sabbath because you can see, plants are still growing, babies are still born. In other words, God is still giving life to the world on the Sabbath. But here Jesus is saying, I'm doing it too. God has given me the Son, the power to quickeneth whom he will. Yeah, in fact, I have a note from elder Talmudch about this. The Savior's reply to their charges is not confined to the question of Sabbath Observance it stands as the most comprehensive sermon in Scripture on the vital subject of the relationship between the eternal father and

His son Jesus Christ. So that's exactly what you're saying. That's in Jesus the Christ in page 208 But yeah, it's about instead of like you said instead of diffusing the situation. He explained, yeah, this is how I'm like the Father. Yeah, and he continues to give other examples of that. John chapter 5 verse 26, where this is the Father hat life of him in himself. So half he given to the Son to have life in himself and so on. happy given to the Son to have life in himself and so on. It seems like by around verse 30, verse 31, it seems like Jesus is anticipating that those listening to him are going to say, Jesus is sure talking a lot about himself. So in verse 31, Jesus shifts gears a little bit and says, if I bear witness of myself, my

witness is not true. And then he starts talking about those who do bear witness to him. And it's interesting that all of this is happening in the context of... Let me point to just a couple of verses and see if you can pick up on the stage that Jesus is setting for us. Look at John chapter 5 verse 22. The Father, judge, no man, but have committed all judgment to his son, verse 27. And have given him authority to execute judgment, verse 30. I judge and my judgment is just. Now moving into verse 31 and following.

If I bear witness of myself and then he's gonna start identifying in verse 36, I have a greater witness back in verse 33. He bear witness, we moved from Jesus mentioning judgment, judgment, judgment, now we're talking about witnesses and then by the time we get down to verse 45, there is one that accuseth you. He has transformed this whole discourse, this dialogue with the Jews into a trial scene, where it's no

longer Jesus who is being put on trial. They came to him and accused him of breaking the Sabbath. He has now turned the tables, and it's now them who are on trial. He is bringing witnesses in for himself and in the end, it's Moses that accuses them. He knows how to control a conversation. I love it when it was at the end of a Matthew no man has to many more questions. As I said, you'll lose. You can't tangle with this guy. Let's take a look at some of these witnesses. He calls for himself. He, first of all, acknowledges that if he bears witness of himself, his witness isn't true.

So he's saying, don't just trust what I am saying. Don't trust my own witness of myself. There are other witnesses. Then he goes and mentions that they had sent to John and that John bears witness of the truth. But then he says, but I receive not testimony from a man. So he says, you don't even have to trust John's testimony. In verse 36, he says that the Father has given him certain works and that the works he does, those bear witness of him. So Jesus' works that he is performing, presumably these signs as well as the teachings, these bear witness of him and, the Father Himself, hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. So the Father bears witness of him.

Now Jesus acknowledges in that verse that they haven't heard the voice of the Father. They need to be paying a little better attention, but that the Father does bear witness of him. Now in verse 39, he suggests that the scriptures bear witness of him. They testify of me. Yes. Now, this verse, we should talk a little about the way this is translated in the King James version. It's translated a little bit different in other versions.

It's not that the King James translators are wrong grammatically. To get kind of technical here, the Greek that lies behind this, the phrase we're talking about is the very beginning of chapter 5 verse 39, search the scriptures. That's a command, the way they've translated it in the King James version. Search the scriptures. And sometimes we've used it that way. We've used it to encourage our youth. Look, the scriptures tell you, you need to search the scriptures. And sometimes we've used it that way. We've used it as to encourage our youth. Like the scriptures tell you, you need to search the scriptures, right? Now, the Institute manual

helpfully corrects this, but it doesn't really explain why because there's really not a whole lot of room in the Institute manual to give technical Greek explanations. But here's the technical explanation. In the Greek, the second person plural, present active indicative form of the verb looks exactly the same as the second person plural, present active imperative. In other words, if you don't have any other context to go on, if you were to see this Greek verb, it could be translated

either as the command, search the scriptures, or as a present verb saying, you all are searching the scriptures. And actually based on the context, I think that second translation fits the context a little better. It seems to me what Jesus is telling them is that they are searching the scriptures because they think that in those scriptures they have eternal life. Jesus then goes on to point out that the scriptures testify of Jesus. It's in Jesus that they have eternal life, not in the book. The book just points to Jesus. It's in Jesus that they have eternal life, not in the book. The book just points to Jesus. So don't think that you are getting eternal life out of the book. The point of the book is to point to Jesus. Yeah. It looks like almost every other translation. It starts out you search the

scriptures because you think you have eternal life in there, but they testify of me, and you're not willing to come to me, which is a different meaning. That's right. This one is you pour over the scriptures because you preserve that by them you possess eternal life. Can I quote Dr. Andrew Skinner that we've had on the program before? He said Jesus is actually being a bit reproving here. He's saying in essence, you study the scriptures because you think that activity brings eternal life. But the scriptures testify of me and I give eternal life. The Jewish sages of Jesus' day believe that the act

of studying the Torah brought eternal life, but Jesus pointedly taught that the scriptures do not bring salvation. Sacred RIP was given to testify of him and he, God, was the vehicle of salvation. That's in his books, Prophets, Priests, and Kings, page 2. That's great. But I have really enjoyed that because I have thought that we have misquoted that for years. Search the Scriptures. For them, you think, no, it's, it's, you think you have

eternal life in the scriptures. You don't. You have eternal life in me. And the scriptures testify of me. So that parts true. They are they, which testify of me. But you're not willing to come to me. And I love what you've done here, Jason, is listing the witnesses. So I've got my margin. Okay, John was a witness, my works, my signs and teachings are witness. The father is a witness and the scriptures testify of me. Yeah, we have one more witness and one more coming in John chapter 5 verse 46. Jesus said, for how do you believe Moses, you would have believed me for he wrote of me. So in the verse right before that, that's where Jesus said there's one that accuseth you,

even Moses in whom you trust. Wow. And Moses was such a big deal to them. I've always thought about the sermon on the Mount where Jesus said, yeah, you've heard it said of all time this, but I say this and I, who do you think you are? Well, I was the one who talked to Moses. That was me in the bush there. And you've heard it said of all time this, Moses, but I say that was that audacious

statement of who he was. Okay, here's my question, Jason, for he wrote of me, implicit or more symbolically, because I know the book of Mormon says that didn't Moses raise a raisin serpent and then testify that that's the Son of God and I'm like, well, that's not in numbers, but it's in the book of Mormon that it was that explicit. This is the Son of God, but you don't see it in the Old Testament. So when he says he wrote of me more implied. I would take it as implied. And what I'm thinking of is in the gospel of Luke, after Jesus has been resurrected

and he meets those two disciples on the road to Emmaus. That's another one of those examples of the disciples still not understanding who Jesus is. Even after his death, when Jesus meets with them and they don't recognize that it's Jesus, resurrected, walking with them, they start to tell him of what has happened and of how Jesus died and it's interesting that they say, we thought he was the Messiah. The implication seems to be, yeah, we thought he was the Messiah, but then he died.

And it's interesting that the very next thing Jesus does is it says he opens the scriptures unto them. And so it takes Jesus after his resurrection, helping his disciples to learn to read the scriptures that then they begin to see Jesus in the scriptures. Isn't it? Ought not Christ who have died, doesn't he say it that way? Wait. To have suffered these things.

How did you miss this? Yeah. Talking about Moses in 546 there sets us up nicely for the context of chapter 6. Oh, yeah. Here comes the man of thing. Yeah. That's right. John tells us in chapter 6 verse 4 that it's near time for the Passover. So the events of the Passover provide us the context for understanding the events that happen in John chapter 6. Now, of course, Passover commemorates the events of the Exodus. So it's all about how Israel was redeemed from slavery in Egypt and redeemed by the Lord through Moses leading them out of Egypt.

And then of course, as part of that, they crossed the Red Sea under high ground. And then they wander in the wilderness for 40 years. At times, surviving off of just the Lord, providing mana or quail, in one instance, bread miraculously provided from heaven. So Passover commemorated all of this. And if you look at a summary of what you find in John chapter 6, we see events that parallel all of those things I just described at Passover, the miraculous feeding of the multitude, the miraculous feeding of 5,000 parallels Israel being miraculously fed by mana in the wilderness.

And then of course by John chapter 6 verse22 and following, Jesus goes into a discourse on bread from heaven. And that discourse involves discussion about like one of the responses they give to him in 631 is, our fathers did eat man in the desert as it is written. He gave them bread from heaven to eat. And then Jesus quotes that back to them in verse 49, your's did eat mana in the wilderness. So the context is thinking about Passover is thinking about wandering in the wilderness. I skipped right over the event before the bread from heaven discourse. In between the miraculous feeding of the multitude and the bread from heaven discourse, we get Jesus walking on water. You think Moses parting the red sea is

miraculous. Jesus doesn't even need to part the sea. He just walks right over the top of it. We get all of these events, all of these signs. Remember these, we're coming back to some of our signs here now. We get the sign of Jesus miraculously feeding the multitude and the sign of Jesus walking a water, pointing to Jesus as a new Moses and as more than Moses because he's doing something more than Moses had done.

Moses announced that food would be provided for Israel, but it was God from heaven that provided that food. It was God that provided it was mana from heaven, bread from heaven. I love how Jesus says that there because they're like, our father's duty the man in the desert, he gave them bread from heaven to eat, talked about Moses and Jesus in verse 32, Moses gave you not the bread. That was my father who gave you the bread. That's right.

So because we've already spent so much time on the multiplication of the loaves and fishes and on walking a water, I think we can skip over those two stories in John and get into Jesus' teachings here. But I do want to point out one detail that John adds that is very different from what is in Matthew and Mark. This is right at the end of the miracle of multiplying the loaves and fishes

in verse 16 and 15 of John chapter 6. The people having experienced this miracle of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes recognize that Jesus is a prophet. And then verse 15 tells us that Jesus perceives that they are going to come and take him by force to make him king. So it's at that point that Jesus departs

into a mountain by himself alone. Now, I think that detail is really important in the context of the Gospel of John because it sets us up for a heartbreak. At this point, there's a multitude of 5,000 people who are ready to make Jesus king and by the end of John 6, by the time we get to John 6, for 60, John chapter 6, for 66, we learned that from that time, many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. What we are going to witness as we continue in this chapter is the tragic loss of all of these disciples, these people who are ready to make Jesus King.

But it seems like they're ready to make Jesus King when they think that he is something different than what he is. And he's about to teach them who he actually is. He's not going to be a Moses-like King. Some Jewish traditions in the time did describe Moses as being like a king. He's not going to be a David like King. He's going to be a different kind of King.

King, not of this world, as he will explain later in the Gospel of John. Let's take a look at what Jesus teaches them that causes many of them to turn away. So moving into the bread from heaven discourse that begins in John chapter 6, verse 22. John 6, 26, Jesus answered them and says, Verily, Verily, I say unto you, you seek me not because you saw the miracles, but because you did eat the loaves and were filled. So according to Jesus here, they're not seeking him

because of what he did was miraculous, but because they got a free meal out of it. So Jesus has identified that and says, that's a problem, and he's going to teach them a little more about that now. Now before we leave this verse, I think it's worth pointing out that in this King James version translation, it says, because he saw the miracles. It's actually not the best translation. The Greek word behind that is Simea, which means signs. We talked about this a little bit earlier.

And John, John doesn't talk about Jesus performing miracles, even though what Jesus does is quite miraculous. John always calls them signs. His point is that these miraculous actions Jesus is performing point us to Jesus, point us to who Jesus is. And that's exactly what Jesus critiqued here, that they saw the sign and instead of recognizing that it was about Jesus and that they need to understand who he is, they were excited about the free meal and they want more. I quote Philippians 319 to my boys all the time, your God is your belly.

Paul says. I think that is true of all teenagers. Yes. The way to a man's heart is through his stomach. We keep Costco in business. So then Jesus goes on to teach them that they need to not labor for the kind of food, the kind of meat that perishes. But for meat that endure to everlasting life, which the Son of Man shall give you.

And so now Jesus is going to start to teach them what this food is that that gives everlasting life and help them to understand ultimately that it is him. It's skipping ahead, John 630. Notice here the King James version does translate as sign. Here it's them asking Jesus, what sign show us now then that we may see and believe they? What does that work? Our fathers did eat man in the desert as it is written. He gave them bread from heaven to eat. Notice how they're putting it in the form of a question, but they're trying to get Jesus to perform the miracle, they're just asking him to perform again. They're still after the free meal. Trying to use the scriptures to trick him. Exactly. Jesus had just shown them a version of this miracle, a version of the Father's eating man in the desert. It's not that they didn't see that,

they saw it, and they're trying to get Jesus to do it again. So Jesus then responds to them and says, yeah, you're right. Moses is not the one that gave you that bread from heaven, though. It was actually my father who gave it to you the true bread from heaven. And then he goes on to explain in verse 35, I am the bread from heaven. He that come at me shall never hunger and he that believeeth on me shall never thirst." They quoted that passage about, he gave them bread from heaven to eat. Notice that Jesus goes on to explain how he is the bread of life in verse 38 for I came down from heaven. So Jesus is putting himself in direct parallel to that passage they quoted at him about bread from heaven that he then quoted

back bread from heaven. Now he's saying, yes, you're right, I am the bread of life. I came down from heaven and goes on to explain not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me. And we recall here that he was born in Bethlehem, which means house of bread. We brought this up, the Christmas thing, but I think it's him calling himself the bread of life and coming from that place is kind of a nice connection. Yeah. So this idea of Jesus being the bread from heaven that would not be unfamiliar,

that concept of bread from heaven being something more than manna is not a concept that's unfamiliar to Jews in that time period. Think about the passage in Matthew and Luke that Jesus quotes during his temptations. During his temptations where Satan tries to tempt Jesus to turn a stone into bread, Jesus responds by quoting a passage from Deuteronomy chapter eight. Now, the temptations are not in John, but this is a passage, Deuteronomy eight,

is a passage that was familiar to lots of people in that time. And here's what it says, this is Deuteronomy chapter eight, verse two and three. And thou shalt remember all the way, which the Lord thy God led thee, these 40 years in the wilderness. So once again, reminding us, we're talking about wilderness, we're talking about man and the wilderness, right? To humble thee and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments or know. And he humbled thee and suffered thee to hunger and fed thee with mana,

which Thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know, that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceed out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live. Okay, so keep that in the background here. This is a teaching that was familiar to them. They knew that the manna was not just mana, but that mana could also point them to bread from heaven. And that man must not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeded from the mouth of Lord.

Of course, for John, the word of God is Jesus. We got that from John chapter 1. Jesus is called the Word of God that comes down from heaven. Now, in the Old Testament, there are other figures who are described as being bread from heaven, most commonly wisdom that is often personified. For instance, in Proverbs chapter 9, it describes wisdom and then says in chapter 9 verse 5, wisdom is speaking and says, come, eat of my bread and drink of the wine which I have mingled. Symbolically saying, you need to ingest wisdom. You need to take wisdom into you. There's another example of that in an apocryphal text that lots of Jews in this time period were familiar with. It's called Syrac or the wisdom of Ben-Sira. If you happen to have a Bible

that has the apocrypha in it, the Deuterocononical books, it will have a book called Syracch or Wisdom of Ben-Syra. And that book also talks a lot about Wisdom. And in one instance it describes Wisdom, once again personifying Wisdom. It says, whosoever fears the Lord will do this and whosoever holds to the law will obtain Wisdom. Then it goes on to describe what it is wisdom does. And in wisdom of Benzira, or Syrac chapter 15 verse 3, it says, wisdom will feed him with the bread of learning and give him the water of wisdom to drink. This shouldn't be lost on them. No, no. At this point, their reaction to this is not negative. Their reaction is not how can somebody possibly compare themselves to bread.

They're still on the same page. They murmur in John chapter 6 verse 41 because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. It seems like it's once again they're having this problem with him equating himself with God, with being the one who came down from heaven. And it's once again, they're having this problem with him equating himself with God, with being the one who came down from heaven. And it's here, in John, this is the context in verse 42 where the people say, now wait a minute, isn't this the son of Joseph whose father and mother we know?

What does he mean? How is he saying he's come down from heaven? We know his mom and dad, what's he's talking about? He's come down from heaven. Well, Jesus has been trying to explain to him who his father is and they still haven't quite got that point. That his father is heavenly father. So Jesus then continues in verse 43, says, not among yourselves, no man can come to me except the Father. He's trying to clarify for them,

my Father's not Joseph, except the Father which sent me draw him, and I will raise him up at the last day. Now Joseph Smith provides a little bit more here where he adds to the words of the gospel of John, some words that are quite similar to things that Jesus says elsewhere in the gospel of John. So here, the Joseph Smith translation verse 44 is, no man can come into me except he doeth the will of my father, whoeth sent me. And that's something that John makes quite clear elsewhere. Joseph Smith goes on and says, and this is the will of him whoeth sent me that he received the sun for the Father-Bereth record of him. It's going back to that idea that we saw in the previous chapter of the witnesses or in the previous verses of the witnesses of Jesus.

The Father-Bereth record of him and he who received it the testimony and do it the will of him who sent me, I will raise up at the resurrection of the just. So that sort of is a nice summary of a lot of Jesus' teachings here from this sermon and some of the other sermons as well. Okay, so now things get more complicated. We're going to see one more instance where Jesus, rather than diffusing the situation that's causing the murmuring, once again, will double down on it. Makes it a little harder.

Makes things a little bit harder. So in verse 48, Jesus once again reiterates, I am the bread of life. And now he explains what he means by that. Your father's did eat mana in the wilderness and are dead. That wasn't the bread of life. That was a kind of miraculously provided bread. It was a kind of bread from heaven. But if anything, it was a sign that pointed to Jesus, who is the bread of life. So it continues here in verse 50, this bread which comes down from heaven, a man must may eat thereof and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever. And the bread that I will give is my flesh,

which I will give for the life of the world. Yeah, he just made it a little harder. Yeah, yeah. Things are starting to sound a little bit weird here. So bread of life is fine. They could understand that. They could say, okay, Jesus is speaking metaphorically here. He's saying he's providing wisdom for them. But now it just took a weird turn. Jesus speaking metaphorically here, he's saying he's providing wisdom for them. But now it just took a weird turn, because now he's saying this bread is literally his

flesh. Is that what he's saying? Now remember, in its chronological context here, Jesus has not introduced the sacrament. I think we often come to this with that lens already and say, oh, yeah, okay. So now Jesus is switching gears. He's helping us to understand the sacrament, which other Christians call the Eucharist or communion. And I think we can have a really important discussion here

about what this teaches us about the sacrament. So I do want to have that discussion in a minute. But before we get to that discussion, I think it's worth staying in the literary context here and remembering Jesus has not provided them any teachings about the sacrament yet. So when he's saying, I am the bread of life, you have to eat my flesh. That is sounding very strange. So it really shouldn't surprise us that in the very next verse, the Jews respond, this is verse 52 now, it says, the Jews therefore strove among themselves,

saying, how can this man give us his flesh to eat? They're going, all right, what is going on here? What is he saying? That just took a weird turn. Once again, Jesus is not going to diffuse the situation. He's going to double down. And in the next verse, Jesus says to them, verily, verily, I say unto you, except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood.

You have no life in you. Okay. Yeah. Now things just got complicated. Jesus just doubled down on everything they were struggling with. Now Genesis chapter 9 verse 4 after the flood The flood is ended The ark has landed they get off the ark God makes a covenant with Noah and God promises Noah. He's never going to flood the earth again But part of this covenant covenvenants are always two way promises here. God's promises, he's never gonna flood the earth again, he's gonna put a rainbow in this guy,

so you can remember it. But human beings, all the descendants of Noah need to promise some other things. And one of those promises is in chapter nine, verse four, where it says, but flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, ye shall not eat. This is a command that Jews understood to be universal.

This was not just for Jews. They didn't think anybody should be eating blood, because blood is symbolic of life. And now here Jesus is saying, if you want life, if you want everlasting life, you need to not only eat the flesh of the Son of Man, but drink his blood. This just got really complicated for them. Yeah. If you wanted to make it easier to understand, he definitely didn't. Yeah, so I mean, skipping ahead to verse 60, it's totally understandable why with this teaching,

they respond, it's a hard saying, who can hear it? And then by verse 66, we get that verse that says, from that time many of the disciples went back and walked no more with him. Well, now we have the advantage of hearing it in a slightly different way. For us today and for all Christian readers of the Gospel of John, whether it's in ancient times or today, we read this through the lens of the sacrament. We read this as to Jesus helping people

to understand what the Eucharist, what the communion, what we call the sacrament, what that really means. And I think putting on that lens can really help us to get some insights about the meaning of this acumen. And really appreciate why we do this every single week. So let's continue reading what Jesus teaches about here.

John chapter 6, verse 54, Who so eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood? He reiterates it again. Half eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. Okay, Jesus, how? How does this work? Why are we doing this? Verse 55,

For my flesh is meat indeed, And my blood is drink indeed. And he that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him, as the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father, so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. He is describing the sacrament as us symbolically taking Jesus' body and blood, symbolically taking Jesus' whole person into ourselves. Early Christians understood this in lots of different ways that I think adds some extra meaning. A Christian named Tertullian writing at the

end of the second century, early third century, somebody who I talk about quite a bit in that book, Ancient Christians, that we spoke about the beginning. Tertullian describes it like this, our flesh feeds on the body and blood of Christ that our soul may likewise be filled with God. Some other ancient Christians understood the sacrament of function like an antidote, like a serum or antidote, to the death caused by eating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. So a tree of knowledge of good evil, that causes death. From eating it, you're taking death into yourself, even though it also brought knowledge of good and evil. And so now we need the tree of life and the fruit of the tree of life, which in this case is Jesus the bread of life.

We ingest that. We take life into ourselves, which cures us of the death that we partook of by entering into this world. See it as an antidote. That's interesting. Yeah, Gregory of Nisa, some of our fellow Christians who also firmly believe in the importance of this sacrament, but see things a little bit differently from us. I'm thinking of Roman Catholics. In the medieval period, they'd start to describe the way the sacrament works using the word transubstantiation. They believe that as the priests pronounce the word of blessing over the bread and wine,

that it is transformed literally into the body and blood of Christ, not in form, like you look at it, it still looks like bread and wine, but you are literally ingesting Jesus and that that is life that you are taking into yourselves. I think oftentimes in church we talk about it more in symbolic terms. At the same time, I don't think we would go as so far as some of our Protestant brothers and sisters would go to say it is purely symbolic, because we absolutely believe in the power of the priesthood. In fact, we believe that God gave priesthood to us and that that priesthood has to be used with the proper keys and authority to pronounce the words of blessing over the bread and water. And if those words are

mispronounced, if they are not pronounced properly, they need to be pronounced again. You need to say the whole prayer over again. So we absolutely believe that priesthood power is involved and that the sacrament is therefore not only symbolic, it is powerful and effectual because priesthood power is involved, that it actually does something for us. Again, I don't think we would go so far as the Catholics to say that the water and the bread is transformed into something else that it is literally transformed into the flesh and blood of Jesus, but we would say that that power and authority of God has to be present in order for the sacrament to be

functional. So it's more than just a symbol. Symbolism is absolutely involved, but it's more than a symbol because power and authority needs to be there as part of our renewing our covenants and taking the name of Christ upon us again every week. I really like this symbolism of literally taking Jesus into ourselves, of taking into ourselves that which gives us life, becoming one with him as he is one with the father. He's already hinting at that sort of language here, even though we won't get that precise

language a little bit later in John. But he's hinting at it here that the father has given him life. He lives by the father and that as we eat him, now we live by him. I think it's just a really, really beautiful way of thinking about it. Sister Arteth Cap, I don't know if you guys remember she was in the general young women's president years ago And she told a story about traveling around the churches. They do and staying in a home and a little Eight-year-old Brent was like have you ever met the prophet and she said yes, and he said well

I'd like to meet the prophet and she said shake my hand now you can say you shake in hands with someone who's shaking hands with the prophet And he said I'll never wash my hand and And sister cap thought, okay, that could be a problem. So she said, why don't you wash your hands, but just remember in here. And he said, well, I'm going to wash my hands, but I'm going to save the water. So he went in the other room when he came back in, he had a bag of water. And they were like, oh, it's a nice way to remember. He scurried off again. And the next time he came back, sister Cap said he had water on his shirt, water on his t-shirt. And they said, what happened?

And he proudly announced, I drank the water. And sister Cap made it beautiful. She said, I told him that he could just remember in here, but he wanted so much to remember this experience that he took the water and he put it inside. And she kind of made a comparison to this sacrament with that. I think it was elder Bruce C. Hathen that we've had on the program who said when we take the sacrament, we kind of assimilate the atonement into ourselves. We take the water and the bread inside. So I thought that was a cute story. and the bread and sights. I thought that was a cute story. I think there's a tendency in modern culture to spiritualize things, to dismiss the importance of the material. And yet we are material beings. I think it's really important that we have these moments in our religious life,

where we connect with God through material actions, whether that's being immersed in water, whether that's eating some food, whether that's going through the process of the endowment in the temple. All of those are very tangible physical actions that help us as material physical beings to make a connection between ourselves and the divine, to connect with something beyond ourselves. When I think about, and I guess we'll talk more about this when we get to the last supper, but the Lord would have us perform this simple thing each week, as you said.

Yeah. We don't just say something, we take something and put it inside. I think it's so interesting that things, the Lord has us repeat, fascinate me. And that's one of them. And I remember the day, I think it was something that Stephen Covey said, but I kind of equated the bread and the water of the sacrament with Moses 139,

because of the bread, because of Jesus' body, will live forever, will be resurrected, but because of the blood, the atonement, we can not only live forever, but have eternal life, which is a quality of life, not just a duration of life. Next to verse 51, I notice this in here, 51, take the bread, live forever, that's immortality. Verse 54, drink the blood eternal life, and he uses those different phrases just the same way Moses 139 does. Very nice. To continue on with the story then, the disciples cannot deal with what Jesus is teaching. We need to take off our sacrament lenses and remember these

disciples are hearing this teaching for the first time in the context of John and it is strange to them and foreign to them. It seems to them to go against that covenant that the Lord made with Noah back in Genesis 9. So it shouldn't surprise us that we get this passage that describes them saying, this is a hard saying in verse 60, who can hear it, and then just a few verses later learning that at this time, in verse 66, that many of the disciples went back and walked no more with him. And that leads us into the conclusion of Mark chapter six,

where Jesus then turns to the 12 and says, will ye also go away? I'm starting to get a little emotional here because this is a passage that's meant a lot to me in my life at several important moments. Simon Peter then answers, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe in our sure that that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. It's a powerful passage for me. It's one that came to me at a time I wasn't expecting it. It's not something I had been studying at the time. It's something that I'm sure that I first learned in early morning

seminary. I attended a couple years of early morning seminary. I attended a couple of years of early morning seminary as I was working on joining the church. And the first time this passage really impacted me was on my mission. What was called the serving Columbia, but actually I was called the serving Venezuela, then I couldn't get my visa. So then I was recalled to serve in the Columbia Bogota

North mission. That meant I had to spend a little extra time in the Missionary Training Center. And because of that, a lot of us were really struggling. It's a challenge for any young woman or young man who serves a mission and who hasn't been away from home much before to suddenly be away from home and to be in a very taxing, very difficult situation, where you

are spending all day, every day fully immersed in scriptures and learning a language sometimes, in learning missionary discussions, in practicing teaching people, it's an intense experience. And I remember a time where my entire missionary district were feeling lost and where a lot of us were wondering maybe we should just give up. Maybe we should just go home. So let me share one more instance where this passage really impacted me. It was not easy for me to get into a PhD program, at least not into the one that I really wanted to be in. One of the challenges for me was applying to these PhD programs to get somebody to really pay attention to your application. You have to do really well on the GRE, on the graduate record exam.

If you're applying to medical school or to a law program, there are different sorts of standardized tests like these. And for me, it was incredibly challenging. It was actually after completing my first master's degree that I learned I have attention deficit disorder, and that that was probably the reason why time and time again, I would take this standardized test and could not get the grade up high enough that I could get into a PhD program. So after laboring literally for years to get that grade up high enough that I could get into a PhD program, I found myself, I can still picture the place. I was in this park in New Haven, Connecticut.

We lived in New Haven while I was attending Columbia. So by now I was working on my second master's program that didn't require a high GRE score to get into. And I remember being in this park alone, I went there just to have some time to myself and reflect. And I remember actually feeling angry. Feeling angry with God. I felt that God had called me to study what I was studying, and that alone was a difficult decision. It was incredibly difficult to decide not to pursue a two-year psychology master's degree, and instead go into a two to three-year master's's program at Yale and then another year at Columbia

and then there's a year in between where I was doing other things. All the time just trying to make ends meet as I was as I had a young family. And so I feel like God had called me to do these things and I was feeling like why Lord have you called me to do this and yet time again, I'm failing and I'm not feeling like you're helping me. And I started not only to get mad at God, but to feel like maybe this is all just in my mind. Maybe I'm making this up. Maybe it was just my own wish to do this.

And maybe even there is no God. It was at that point that this passage came to me one more time? I felt, yeah, the blessings I've received from the gospel, I know that there is a God, and I am confident that God has inspired me and guided me in my life and called me to do these things. I felt once again to say, Lord, to whom should I go? Where else could I turn? I'll ask the words of eternal life. And I believe that thou art the Christ. Of course, there is a happy ending to that story. It turns out that that year I did get into multiple PhD programs and was able to select the one that I was most excited about. There is a happy ending to that story, but oftentimes in my

life I found that God allows me to get up just to that point where I can't see any other possibility where I can't see how things are going to turn or where things are going to end up and then he steps in and provides the answer for me. I'm grateful for this passage. Those meant so much to me at these, at those moments in my life. Thank you, Jason, for sharing that. And thank you for spending your time with us today. I've learned so much. I can't believe how much I've been missing as I pass by some verses and don't know what I'm missing. So thank you for pointing those out. And thank you for being here.

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