Follow Him: A Come, Follow Me Podcast - Psalms 1-46 -- Part 1: Dr. Shon Hopkin

Episode Date: August 6, 2022

Have you ever felt forsaken by God? Dr. Shon Hopkin explores the structure and purpose of the Psalms, the effect of music in worship, and how the Psalms prepared the Lord and the disciples for difficu...lt times.Please rate and review the podcast!Show Notes (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese): https://followhim.co/old-testament/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followhimpodcastYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/FollowHimOfficialChannelThanks to the follow HIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Executive Producers, SponsorsDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsIgor Willians: Portuguese Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com/products/let-zion-in-her-beauty-rise-piano

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to Follow Him, a weekly podcast dedicated to helping individuals and families with their Come Follow Me study. I'm Hank Smith, and I'm John by the way. We love to learn, we love to laugh, we want to learn and laugh with you. As together, we follow him. Hello my friends, welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith. I'm your host.
Starting point is 00:00:25 I'm here with my clean-handed and pure-hearted co-host, John, by the way. John, you are clean-handed and pure-hearted. Did you know that? Hand sanitizer has blessed my life, thank you. Anyone whose favorite television show is the Andy Griffith show, has clean hands and a pure heart.
Starting point is 00:00:46 Ha, ha, you know, some's got it in some way. That's perfect. That is clean hands and a pure heart. Hey, John, that phrase comes from the book of Psalms. We brought a Bible scholar who's joining us. Well, we're really excited to have Sean Hopkins back because he was here when we talked about the fall and cane and in fact it's one of our most listened to podcasts. It's such a great topic because Sean did such a great job. So we have Dr. Sean Hopkins here and just to refresh our listeners memories. He was born in Denton, Texas, son of Lorraine Hopkins and Arden Hopkins. He attended Southwest High School in Fort Worth, but graduated from Orham High School, received a bachelor's degree in Masters
Starting point is 00:01:33 from BYU and near Eastern studies with a focus on the Hebrew Bible, received a PhD from the University of Texas at Austin, and Hebrew studies will focus on medieval Hebrew Arabic and Spanish literature. Hank, it just blows me away that people that we bring on here and how widely read and educated they are. Before coming to BYU, he taught in the seminaries a Tim Fue, a provost six years, the Austinist, the two religion.
Starting point is 00:02:00 He served as chair of the Book of Mormon Academy, chair of the BYU Religious Outreach Council. He's one of the principal organizers of the Book of Mormon Academy chair of the B where you religious outreach council He's one of the principal organizers of the ongoing Jewish and Latter-day Saint academic interfaith dialogue project He and his wife have four children one grandchild. We have that in common We just had one grandson a couple months ago. It's just so fun every day. I'm texting my daughter bring the kid over Welcome back. We're really happy to have you again. Thank you. I don't remember most of those things you said in the bio.
Starting point is 00:02:31 But that happened. I am a grandpa of a beautiful grandson. He's about three now and we are expecting, and I say we, very general sense, a granddaughter now in September. So for Father's Day, I got the card with the photo and the little trace-tanned and I'm like best, best Father's Day ever. Oh, grandpa Sean. Grandpa Sean.
Starting point is 00:03:00 For those of you who maybe didn't listen to the first episode we did with Sean this year, he's also John and I's direct supervisor. So if we sound a little more shaky and nervous, this is our boss at BYU. But oh, what a boss he is. I'm very intimidating. I'm a very intimidating personality. Sean, we are in the book of Psalms today and anybody who knows, Latter-day Saint Scholars knows that you're the best of the best when it comes to Psalms.
Starting point is 00:03:25 So talk to us. How do our listeners approach this awesome book? It is interesting. As often happens as you're reading the Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament, you get to books like this and you think, wait, this is reading differently than what I'm used to. The chronology disappeared.
Starting point is 00:03:42 This sort of storyline kind of approach is gone and we can feel a little bit lost. There are a number of good Hebrew Bible scholars, Old Testament scholars and teachers in our department, Tank and John, a shout out to them. And then I have to give a shout out to my dad. He and I wrote a paper together. He was a vocal performance faculty member at BYU and we wrote a paper together. He was a vocal performance faculty member at BYU. And we wrote a paper together on,
Starting point is 00:04:08 I think we called it the Psalms sung. And so we talk about the power of the Psalms as music. So I think I might be interested in starting there, if that's okay. We will link this article in our show notes. It's called The Psalms sung, the power of music in Sacred Worship, Jay Arden Hopkin and Sean D. Hopkin. Just go to follow him.co, follow him.co.
Starting point is 00:04:31 You'll find our show notes. Tell us more. What'd you, you and your dad find there? This entire scintillating article, but we loved working on this together because he brought this musical accume into the project, right? And it was really fun for Father and Son to be able to look at the Psalms together. So I wanna talk about these as music for a moment because these were designed to be set to music. So the verse I'm looking at is second Samuel, chapter six, verse five, David,
Starting point is 00:05:01 and all the house of Israel played before the Lord on all manner of instruments, made a fur would, even on harps, on salt trees, on timbrals, on cornets, on symbols. So these are put to music and these would have been really touching, really powerful, really comforting, really motivating to those who are reading them. And so we get the benefit and the power of the language. But then I want you to think of these moments when you have been in distress and how often music has healed your soul. And I want you to think about the Psalms in that way
Starting point is 00:05:35 for just a moment, David, if you remember, he played the harp for King Saul. The scripture say there was an evil spirit that would be upon Saul, and David would come and play, and the evil spirit would pass from Saul. And so David understood the power of music. It's not just the power of the word. Along those lines, let me make a connection between these as music, and then the reality that these were often used in many of them were
Starting point is 00:06:06 used in temple worship. And there's a lot of scriptural evidence in Chronicles and elsewhere that they're singing songs. There's a section in the Talmud. Let me just quote this for a moment. Sean, remind our listeners what the Talmud is when you bring that up. The Talmud is written a few hundred years after any of our biblical texts. So it's a Jewish text describing and talking about Israelite views and biblical views
Starting point is 00:06:33 and that kind of thing, but the way they are understanding what's going on in the temple, they talk about the most sacred day of the year, the day of a Talmud or Yom Kippur, these sacrifices, these powerful sacrifices that are going on at the temple and they connect it to and actually say, look, while this is happening, people are singing, let me read this to you from the tall mood. They gave him wine for the drink offering and the high priest stood by each horn of the altar with a towel in his hand. So you've got the high priest on this very sacred day at this very sacred occasion, standing by the altar. And two priests stood at the table of the fat pieces with two silver trumpets in their
Starting point is 00:07:11 hands. So there's portions of the sacrifice there. That's what those fat pieces are. And they've got two silver trumpets in their hands. When he stooped and poured out the drink offering, the lead priest waved the towel and bin Artaza clashed the symbols and the Levites broke forth into singing. When they reached a break in the singing,
Starting point is 00:07:29 they blew up on the trumpet and in every blowing of the trumpet, a prostration, they're bowing down. This was the right of the daily whole offering. This was the singing, which the Levites used to sing in the temple. So the fascinating thing there is we sort of think this strange animal sacrifice thing
Starting point is 00:07:46 and then we've got the Psalms and linking those together and showing how there's music. These were supposed to evoke feelings of supplication to God and comforting His people and there's music that's sort of building and connecting with this temple worship that they're doing under the mosaic covenant, and you get a very different sense of the temple experience at that point. Let me just connect that for a moment with our modern day hymns singing. Because we think, oh, you go to church,
Starting point is 00:08:16 you sing hymns, if it's a hymn I'm comfortable with, and I love it, if it's one of those annoying ones that the song Picker picks, because she thinks we need to sing every hymn in the hymn book, right then I'm annoyed. So we've got these hymn singing experiences and notice what we're doing there, we're demarcating sacred time and space. We've dressed to the best of our ability and however each of us are different this way but we've dressed to worship.
Starting point is 00:08:44 So we're distinguishing our worship behavior as a little bit different than our daily behavior. We've come to church. We're talking, we're milling around. And then there's this moment, boom, where the music starts and we are united. And there's something about singing. I don't know if you ever thought about it this way, the Old Testament talks about how right before Solomon basically enters into the presence of the Lord. The Lord's presence descends upon the people. They are singing in this unified way and then they enter into the presence
Starting point is 00:09:22 of the Lord so to speak. We'll read that verse in just a moment. But if you think about unified prayer at the temple seeking to enter into the presence of the Lord, and then you think about what him singing does for us. You're saying words and feeling things in your own little space. So there's no other place in life. We do it like this. The person all the way across the room
Starting point is 00:09:46 is singing with their hearts and you are giving exactly the same message and then heavenly choirs, that's the ideas that you're joining in with heavenly choirs. And so it's heaven and each of us is a congregation saying the same message pleading with the Lord and boom, sacred time has begun and now we're focused. Now we're in holy space and the notice we do it again before the sacrament, now we demarcate
Starting point is 00:10:13 more holy space and then that prepares for the sacrament ordinance and it happens with unified prayer, unified singing, we are seeking to enter into the presence of the Lord, but we don't think of just how powerful this unified language is that unites us with heaven and unites us with each other. This is worshiping each of us individually, but all of us with one heart and one mind. There's nothing better than music to do that. We'll sing and we'll shout with the armies of heaven. That's that idea. We're all unified. I was thinking as a kid, the reason we have an opening him
Starting point is 00:10:53 is for all the late people to get here before we actually start. And the reason we have special musical numbers before fire sides is to get all the late people here before we start. But I have never thought of it this way. They book and the worship experience. I love that idea. So you've got it at the beginning, like you're saying, John, you've got it. And then you sort of undemarcate, so to speak, sacred space. Now we're done. We've got someone who's speaking the prayer there at the pulpit, and we're all joining in,
Starting point is 00:11:25 but we pray with music and then we pray in this united way. And that ends the service as well. And now we come back into sort of more what the biblical languages or the religious studies languages, more profane space, right? Sacred space back into profane space. Let me just read these from first chronicles. And it's actually David. First Chronicles 15 shows David leading a procession in song and dance as they brought the Ark of the Covenant, the most central symbol of God's presence in Israel back among the Israelites to reside in the Tabernacle. As the Levites made holy sacrifices and entered into the Tabernacle or temple, David delivered a psalm of Thanksgiving. It's a song.
Starting point is 00:12:05 And urges people, sing unto the Lord, sing psalms unto them, glory ye in his holy name, and then listen to this language, seek the Lord and his strength, seek his face continually. So they are praying unilately, seeking the face of the Lord. And so he's connecting music with temple activity, with seeking the face of the Lord. And so he's connecting music with temple activity, with seeking the face of the Lord.
Starting point is 00:12:26 They're in the background, the Levitical priests are ministering before the Ark of the Lord. And this is first Chronicle 16, is where this comes, that goes on then to this incredible experience. And then it is Solomon, as I had mentioned before,
Starting point is 00:12:40 in Second Chronicles 5, that as this is happening, the trumpeters and singers were as one to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the Lord when they lifted up their voice, that then the house was filled with a cloud even the house of the Lord. And God's presence enters in as they're preparing through unified prayer as doctrine, heaven as 25 says, the song of the righteous is a prayer unto me. Even though we don't do a lot with singing in our temple worship
Starting point is 00:13:09 today, if you would think of these unified symbolic actions we do in our covenant making in the temple as a song and a prayer and a little bit of this divine dance almost of preparing to enter into the presence of the Lord. There's some really powerful, I think, the ancient sort of prepares us to understand what's going on today a little bit better. Oh, I love this. My mission president taught me once I was talking to my companion at the beginning of some meeting. I was sitting next to my mission president about something during a him And my mission president Menlo Smith lives in St. Louis
Starting point is 00:13:55 Elder by the way you wouldn't think of talking during a prayer. Would you know president? Well section 25 says the song of the righteous is a prayer unto me and I'd never forget that So do that later and sing and participate. And I'm glad you brought that up. That reminded me of that. Well, and you can all think of, we all have different kinds of music that we enjoy and that helps us prepare emotionally. I will say that I've gone through dark times myself and it seems sometimes shown the only thing
Starting point is 00:14:22 that can speak to you in that kind of darkness is music. It reaches beyond the spoken word. It's pretty incredible. I've had many experiences where I felt, man, I'm in a really really dark place and music was able to reach me there. I bet I listened to it as well with my soul, the Tabernacle choir singing that every Sunday. That is so beautiful. I love thinking of it as a prayer and a part of worship. Yeah. And then you'll find places in the Psalms that just speak to you in those times when you
Starting point is 00:15:00 desperately need peace and reading beautiful chapters like Second Nephi II or Second Nephi IX, these sort of doctrinal discourses, is not your brain just isn't in a space to do that. But then you've got the pleatings, the way that it evokes and describes our own sentiments. And if you go to Book of Mormon, you've got Second Nephi IV, the second half of that, which many have called Nephi's Psalm, and he's mourning, and then he turns to rejoicing, and you can see this progression that it's sort of pulling us, meeting us where we are, and then helping us express our needs, and then expressing confidence in the Lord, and it helps us walk through the grieving process. And I would say, if you don't have places, you can go when you are say, if you don't have places you can go when you are devastated, when you are unable to connect the more cerebral portions of thinking about the gospel, find a favorite Psalm and
Starting point is 00:15:53 just let David's own angst, let the Psalmist's own sense of the challenges of mortality because they felt it too. And then think of this temple sacrifice and think of the Psalm sort of as a backdrop. You are bringing an offering to the Lord in your own weakness and brokenness and you have this pure lamb there and you're offering the lamb and the tension of that and then the tension builds and then it resolves into this triumphant. The Lord has accepted your offering. He sees you, he loves you, he accepts you as his own and think of this sort of full-bodied experience. And then I think that can help us think about our own
Starting point is 00:16:34 sacrament, meeting worship, Sunday worship, but also our own temple worship in a little bit different ways. Sean, let me ask you something. Would you say for our listeners, this is something that we've had a couple of guests say this, that a lot of this was not meant to be read. It was meant to be heard. Is that kind of how it is with the Psalms? When I'm reading this
Starting point is 00:16:54 week, should I be reading out loud? For my own ears to hear the words? Do you think that makes a difference? Well, what we should really do is have you is seeing it out loud as yes. So the ideas are beautiful, but it's the beauty of the expression. So you have there's a few Psalms that are what are called Acroestics, where you can either start with the same letter every time or it can spell something with the first letter or sometimes it'll work through the alphabet. That helps people remember, because it was this very not always reading things but remembering and then performing them in the place, but it also just creates this beautiful poetic repetition
Starting point is 00:17:37 where it has power as you speak it out loud. And this is the King James version, as most of us are a little biased towards the King James version, it is so poetically beautiful. But it can also help to read other English translations as well. And just hear things a little bit differently. And you may have your own favorite version that you find. Everything you just said reminds me of a really nice paragraph from the Come Follow Me manual. It says, as believers today, all over the world, we still use these words in our worship of God. The writers of the Psalms seem to have had a window into our souls and seem to have found
Starting point is 00:18:17 a way to express how we feel about God, what we worry about and how we find peace. And what you had said about these Psalms, that's a great paragraph. This does talk about what we worry about. The variety we're gonna see in these is really interesting. Another thing that the manual gives us, I love it when you're giving me a way to read it.
Starting point is 00:18:39 Not just read it again, but read it and look for something. And so the come follow me manual for individuals and families says watch for the following, right down what you discover. Invitations to trust the Lord in the Psalms, words that describe the Lord in the Psalms, words that describe the peace, strength, and other blessings the Lord provides, and words that describe those who trust the Lord.
Starting point is 00:19:05 I thought, what a great way to look at it and to take it apart and see all of those different things. That was a good recommendation. Love that. Before we start looking at some individual Psalms, let me give you some things that are sort of structural and overview kinds of things, what we're seeing in the Book of Psalms. So first, let me read this statement by a biblical scholar. The Book of Psalms is unique in the Bible because it is a collection of literature of prayer, praise, and meditation.
Starting point is 00:19:33 If the Bible's narrative materials relate what God has done, and the prophetic literature reports what God has said, the Psalms present the response of the people to the acts and words of God. So we should be able to connect to this and feel it because this is how we feel as we interact in mortality with all of our weakness with the divine, with our Heavenly Father. As a book of the people, the book of Psalms has been especially valued for both public worship and private devotion among Jews and Christians. That comes from the anchor Bible dictionary. There are five main sections in the Book of Psalms, which is known as Tehileem in the Hebrew. If you think about those five divisions, traditionally then that would mirror the five books of the Pentateuch or the Torah. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.
Starting point is 00:20:26 So Psalms 1 through 41, division 1, 42 through 72, division 2, if you like, Mark and things in your scriptures or whatever. Psalm 73 through 89 is 3, 90 through 106, and then 107 through 150. Those are the five divisions, and each of them end,ly enough with a short, what is known as a doxology, a hymn of praise, it's just very short. So you can find that in 41,
Starting point is 00:20:51 72, 89, and 106, and then Psalm 150 provides the concluding doxology for the fifth section and for all of Psalms. It's beautifully organized. And that is maybe sort of unnecessarily detail-oriented, but those kinds of things can help as you're reading through the Psalms and looking for that organizational pattern. They didn't just throw a bunch of hymns together saying, yeah, just put them in there. They put them into five specific sections. They organized this. Who wrote the Psalms would be a question we should ask? There are super-scriptions above many of the Psalms. Some of those may have been added later. And so there are of interest. David was a Psalmist. Did David write all the Psalms? No, he was a Psalmist. And so we have in the Psalms a record of the kinds of things that he wrote and things that he wrote, but not all of
Starting point is 00:21:47 them are written by David. 73 are ascribed to him. 12 to someone who's mentioned in 1 Chronicles 16. I was just reading from 1 Chronicles 16 with you to Asaph, 2 to Solomon, 1 to Moses. that's Psalm 90, and then there's a bunch of unknown ones. If you go to 2 Samuel 23, you can read a Psalm of David. So right there in the scriptural account, you're reading through, and it's a history, it's a storyline, and then pause, and here it's sort of like Nephi Psalm, right, where you're reading through, and all of a sudden Nephi breaks into song, or into this beautiful poetic language. And so that, I just wanted to give you a little bit of overview of what we're looking at here with the Psalms. Three most quoted books in the New Testament, Isaiah, Deuteronomy, and Psalms. Jesus loved the Psalms. Oh, can I bring up something right there?
Starting point is 00:22:45 It's actually one of the verses that says to look at in the manual and I have appreciated this when I've taught New Testament because what you just said, I think that's kind of an ah-ha. They're referred to a lot. Look at in the last chapter of Luke. Okay, so here's the resurrected Christ, Luke 2442. They gave him a piece of
Starting point is 00:23:06 a broiled fish and of an honeycomb, and he took it and did eat before them, verse 44, and he said unto them, these are the words which I spank unto you while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses and in the prophets and in the Psalms concerning me. And I'd love that here's Jesus saying, hey, look at the Psalms. I'm in there. I'm glad you brought that up. Say that again, the ones that are most quoted in the New Testament. Deuteronomy, Isaiah, and Psalms. Wow. And a couple of examples, you just gave us a really nice one. And by the way, they sing a Psalm at the end of the last supper. So if you think of singing Psalms to prepare
Starting point is 00:23:49 for challenging moments and also to seek to enter into the presence of the Lord, so to speak, and then what Christ is going to be doing shortly thereafter, you can see that he is using music to help prepare others, to help prepare himself for the challenging things ahead. A couple of fascinating places, one of them is Jesus. So John 10, 33, Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law? I said ye are gods. He is quoting from Psalms right there. If he called them gods under whom the word of God came and the scripture cannot be broken,
Starting point is 00:24:21 he's saying, why are you criticizing me for calling myself the son of God if the Psalms themselves? And so he's using the Psalms to sort of support what he's teaching that I'm the son of God. So why are you critiquing me that I'm declaring that I'm the son of God? If your very own scriptures say ye are gods. Don't take up stones to throw them at me. Is that Psalms 82? It's 82 verse 6. 82 verse 6. I have said ye are gods and all of you are children of the most high God. And he's saying, why are you bothering me for talking about being the son of God
Starting point is 00:24:59 if your own scriptures call all of you the children of God, which is pretty fascinating, fascinating for us as Latter-day Saints to consider that message there because there are certainly those who might critique some of the way we think of ourselves as the children of God. I was going to mention, I loved how you said, Jesus loves the Psalms, because this is the same Lord who July 1830, the church has been around for a whole two months, three months, calls on Emma Smith to create a book of hymns. It's the same Jesus. He said, you know what we need in my church? We need songs. We need music. We know God loves music because of the way it resonates with us.
Starting point is 00:25:45 And we as his children were built that way. And I don't know that we fully know why, but we are built to love and be changed by and be comforted by and be strengthened by these kinds of things. John, you talked about the song that the using there's an arrangement by Dan Forrest, who's a more current composer. I heard somebody sing it in church,
Starting point is 00:26:06 and I fell in love with it, and then my poor kids are like, Dad, you gotta stop listening to that song. It just spoke to me, just comforted me. I think of a Book of Mormon reference when in Alma 5, he was Chief Judge, he steps down, I gotta go talk to my own people. He's saying, do you remember, I'm paraphrasing, when you were first felt to sing the song of
Starting point is 00:26:30 redeeming love? Can you feel so now? It's like there was a time when you just wanted to sing, and he seems to be asking, what's happening? Are you sloping upward or sloping downward? And I love that he would compare that to a song. But what you felt when you came into this, you wanted to sing. Do you feel that way now? Remind me of that. That really is great. When I hear that in Alma 5,
Starting point is 00:26:56 I think of the Victoria song that is sung after they've come through the Red Sea. So Miriam Song and Moses' song, which is considered very ancient literature, all biblical scholars would say, this is some of the earliest literature that we have. God saying, I have freed you, and then you exalt in the speaking as Christians,
Starting point is 00:27:16 the freedom that comes through the atoning love of Jesus Christ has made us free. Why are you going back, but you won't stay free. You want to bind yourself back up with chains of pride and rebellion and rejection of the God who is trying to free you. Can you still sing or did you lose the song? You were free and then you burst forth into song, but now your back where your heart doesn't sing anymore. Like Alma. I wrote a book on happiness. It sold dozens of copies in the research for that book. One thing I found is one of the habits of the happiest people is
Starting point is 00:27:58 they're deliberate about their music. They're very deliberate on this music makes me feel this way. They don't just kind of, hey, whatever comes on, I'll listen to it. I have a happy playlist. And I even read one study where those who listen to an hour of uplifting music every day versus those who got an hour long massage every day for 90 days, those two groups, the music group reported being happier, less anxious and less depressed. There's just something about music that touches us in a way that just nothing else can. I think you're right, Sean. The Lord loves music. It rings true to our souls. There's something inside of us that maybe even remembers our heavenly home when we hear the language of music. Yeah, I feel like music is kind of another worldly thing.
Starting point is 00:28:49 Like it's from someplace else, it's can do everything we've just been talking about. I love what you had said Sean about. It's kind of a universal language and we all unite together at the beginning of a meeting. It's a uniting thing when we can all sing the same song together. That idea of praying unindedly and there has to be this unity of feeling, a unity of heart, and thinking of myself sitting in a worship, a sacrament, worship service, and maybe there's a neighbor from a few houses down who I'm not close with, but then he cares about the same things I care about. There's a five-year-old who's singing at the same time.
Starting point is 00:29:28 And the community of God joining together, putting it all aside, and we are of one heart and one mind, and the way that can change us. I think that's what the Psalms are trying to accomplish. Oh, I just remember one of my high school teachers saying, who here loves movies? And we all raised our hands. And he said, it's not movies that you love. It's music. You watch a movie without the music, Harry Potter without the music, Jurassic Park, Laders of the Rust, our Star Wars, all of these movies are speak to our souls, not necessarily because of the movie, because of the music. I've watched a YouTube the other day
Starting point is 00:30:06 or had it going while I was cleaning up my office of John Williams movie soundtrack classics that he had written. Raiders of the Lost Ark comes up and you're, ta-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da- and brings back all those, some of them some triumphant feelings and everything else we're talking about. Beautiful. Thanks for letting us go off there, Sean, for a minute. I love it. I love it.
Starting point is 00:30:31 So fun. So before we actually, and we should dig into some of these Psalms that the text, but before we do that, just one other thing I need to just communicate here, and that is that there are different kinds of Psalms that are here in the Tehilin There's different there for different purposes. They were for different times and different needs And so let me just give a list of the different kinds that you can find and then you could
Starting point is 00:30:58 Recognize them when they're there and say this might be more useful for me in a certain kind of setting. So Psalms of lament or prayer, and these are powerful, we've already talked about, there's this sort of threefold movement of expressing vulnerable how I feel. When we'll look at Psalm 22 and a little bit, and when Christ quotes it, my God, my God, why has thou forsaken me? He's quoting from the first line of,
Starting point is 00:31:25 but that first section of a psalm of lament that then moves into a plea for help and then an expression of confidence that God will help, almost like he already has. And you can think of these again with temple sacrifice, you're bringing the sacrifice, the death of the sacrifice, as visceral, literally visceral
Starting point is 00:31:46 of it experiences that would have been, and that turns into a plea. And then you're sort of pouring out or the priest is pouring out the blood upon the altar, but then that acceptance of that sacrifice by the Lord. So you can see that mirror there. Psalms of lament, Psalms of praise is another grouping, Psalms of Thanksgiving, and those are similar, but the psalm of Thanksgiving comes sort of after the blessings have been received and you're coming up to the temple to praise the Lord and song. Royal Psalms are sung on specific feast days, and there are good scholars who believe that the Psalms actually hold echoes of earlier
Starting point is 00:32:28 what might have been closer to our understanding of Melchizedek priesthood kind of temple worship, that you can find embedded in the Psalms the concept of the anointing of the king, of the death and resurrection of the king of, and potentially even of the death and resurrection of God, that those may be embedded that earlier temple worship that existed for ancient Israelites. That's not, certainly that's debatable. Not everybody would believe that, but some have proposed that possibility. Songs of Zion and then these liturgies. And you started Hank, it was really fun.
Starting point is 00:33:03 John's clean hands and pure heart. Yes. But many believe this was a temple recommend. Well, who's gonna ascend? And well, those with clean hands and pure heart. And you're singing that as you ascend potentially those temple steps. And for those of you who have stood on the southern temple
Starting point is 00:33:19 steps that have been excavated, they're in Jerusalem. You're walking up those uneven steps that mirror ascending a mountain and you're saying, well, who's going to send into the mountain of the Lord? And you're preparing those with clean hands in a pure heart. And you've probably, depending on the different timing, have had a ritual bath.
Starting point is 00:33:38 You've immersed yourself in a mikvah. And you're then ascending, maybe carrying the lamb, is my heart pure? are my hands clean, am I ready for this? And there might even be time. There's sort of a call and response sometimes with the Levitical Singers that one side will sing something and then another side will respond.
Starting point is 00:33:59 So there's all kinds of different moments that these Psalms would have been powerful. Wow, that's great. Sean, I just kind of want to I want you to break into song here at any moment. I'm feeling it. I had a really fun experience where I was talking with Psalms sitting next to your
Starting point is 00:34:17 host, Bonner, and those of you who have heard any of the bonners. And I said, hey, could you sing that? And he just and I thought, oh, that's what the Psalms are supposed to sound like. You were saying, should I read these aloud? And I'm like, yeah, but have you a host boner come over and have him sing some Psalms to you?
Starting point is 00:34:35 And then that'll give you the sense of it, I think. So maybe it behooves all of us. I don't know that we're all suited for this. I don't know that I am, but to be a little bit of Psalm writers and express ourselves through journaling or whatever the case may be, let me just read you a few statements from Joseph Smith. It's not to music, but he's writing in his journal,
Starting point is 00:34:59 oh, how marvelous are they, work so Lord. And I thank thee for thy mercy unto me, thy servant. Oh, Lord, save me and thy kingdom for Christ's sake, amen." Now that's a prayer, but that is, that's beautiful poetic language. Here's another one. My heart, this is 1835, my heart is full of desire today to be blessed of the God of Abraham with prosperity until I will be able to pay all my debt. It is the delight of my soul to be honest.
Starting point is 00:35:24 O Lord, thou knowest right well, help me, and I will give to the poor." Not beautiful. The expression of the heart, one more from Joseph Smith, I say in my heart, I will trust in thy goodness and mercy forever, for thy wisdom and benevolence, oh Lord, is unbounded and beyond the comprehension of men, and all of thy ways cannot be found out. So we talk about David the Salmust. Here's Joseph the Salmust. There's a beautiful one.
Starting point is 00:35:51 If you want to go to October 1973, General Conference Report, read Elder Maconke's, Psalm that he writes. I'll just read the last couple of lines. Oh, praise the Lord, seek ye the Lord, seek him who rules on high, seek him, whose will we know, exalt his name and seek his face. Oh, seek ye the Lord. And then if I can just do one more from President Hinckley, this is beautiful.
Starting point is 00:36:18 And this was performed at his funeral. Yeah, I remember this thing that men call death, this quiet passing in the night, does not the end, but Genesis, a better world in greater light. Those of you who remember with fondness, President Hinckley can imagine him writing this, oh God, touch thou my aching heart, calm my troubled haunting fears, let hope and faith transcendent pure give strength and peace beyond my tears. There is not death, but only change with recompense for victory one, the gift of him who loved all men, the Son of God, the Holy One. So what would the expression of my heart
Starting point is 00:36:56 look like? What would the expression of your heart look like in the Psalms? So we're encouraging everyone. Give it a try. Get your journal out and see if the pen of heaven doesn't come to you. I know it has for me before. Sean, you're reminding me that I haven't done it in a long time. I haven't sat and written. Written out a prayer because it turns into a song. Good. What would you like to do, Hank and John? What should we do next? Do you want to look at some powerful songs? Yeah, let's do. Let's start going through some. This is the first third of the book.
Starting point is 00:37:28 We can't look at all today. So we're counting on you to show us where we need to highlight. One of the things I really want to do is spend some time in Psalm 22. We'll get there eventually. And then we've got to spend some time in Psalm 23, of course. We've already talked. We sort of danced around Psalm 23 a little bit
Starting point is 00:37:44 because it's such a powerful one for so many including me and I assume both of you. Psalm 24, we've already referred to that one, but we should read that together again. There are some sweet spots in the Psalms. And let me just mention some of these to you. And then let's just read some of them and joy reading the Psalms together. So the theme, the Lord will protect, defend, and deliver his people. Psalm four has beautiful messages. Psalm five, Psalm seven. So let's just go to Psalm four. John, why don't we have you do verses one, three, five, and 6 from Psalm 4. when I call unto him. Offer the sacrifices of righteousness and put your trust in the Lord. There be many that say, who will show us any good?
Starting point is 00:38:50 Lord lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us. So you can see this connection with I have a need, I'm bringing and expressing that need before the and I'm expressing confidence in the Lord and then this concept of seeking after the face
Starting point is 00:39:05 of the Lord in his holy temple. If you think of when we pray beside our beds, we do this as well. We sort of demarcate sacred time and sacred space, and we use the sacred name of the Son of God to enter into the presence of God. And you could almost picture him hiding behind a veil, or hidden behind a veil, and you could think of the veil of Solomon's Temple. Think of the brother of Jared
Starting point is 00:39:30 where he's praying. And then he looks up and God's hand pierces through that veil. And he's like, whoa, God has a hand. If he has a hand, he must have a body. If he's willing to show me his hand, maybe he's willing to show all of himself to me. And then he pushes through the veil and stands in the presence of God. It's very, very powerful. And this is what we're doing here. This is prayer that you're seeking after the presence of God.
Starting point is 00:40:05 And this symbolizes all of our prayers. Maybe not the ones where I'm just exhausted laying in bed like a cocoon, maybe or maybe not, but although I think God probably is compassionate even in those moments, but where we're truly seeking to come to know God, and you can see that God will come and protect you and save you.
Starting point is 00:40:25 Why don't we go to Psalm 6? The Lord will give them mercy and forgiveness and Hank John read it really poetically so I'll do my best. I'll do my best. What are we? Do verses one through nine and then those that are listening, I hope you'll just enjoy some scripture being read here. Oh Lord, rebuke me not in my anger, neither chase in me in thy hot displeasure. Have mercy upon me, O Lord, for I am weak. O Lord,
Starting point is 00:40:53 heal me for my bones are vexed. My soul is also sore vexed, but thou, O Lord, how long? Return, O Lord, deliver my soul, O save me from thy mercy's sake. For in death there is no remembrance of thee in the grave, who shall give thee thanks? I am weary with my groaning, all the night make eye my bed to swim, I water my couch with my tears. My eye is consumed because of grief, it waxeth old because of all my enemies, depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity, for the Lord hath heard the voice of my weeping, the Lord hath heard my supplication, and the Lord will receive my prayer. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:41:36 I mean, it's got to be a new favorite spot, right? It is just the next time you're just beside yourself because something difficult has happened. You've had a disagreement with someone that you care about or you're in the midst of conflict and you're being misjudged or maybe not misjudged, just correctly judged or whatever the case may be, or something financially has gone wrong, something's broken, so to speak. This expresses the heart to cry before God. I did a study once of all the different places we find that question at the end of verse three.
Starting point is 00:42:16 How long? It's not, I don't believe in you anymore. It's you're there, but how long do I have to go through this? Can you think of some of them with me? Well, you've got Joseph Smith. Yeah, that's Joseph Smith Liberty Jail. How long? Where's the pavilion that cover thought hiding place in that? When Isaiah receives his call, Alma in prison, how long?
Starting point is 00:42:37 When Isaiah receives his call, and hey, how long is this going to be this hard? Well, until the earth is wasted without inhabitant. And so those are kind of fun to see. And I like that the question is not, why have you abandoned me or is God real? It's, I'm going through something hard. How long do I have to go through? I think there's a testimony in there. Do you kind of hear what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:43:03 It's, it's not that I don't believe in God anymore. It's just how long will you help me through this? Yeah, and in fact, how often is this? I mean, it really does reflect our issues. How many times have you been asked to comfort someone? Someone was in need of comfort. And really the question of the soul is, when, how long it's a timing thing?
Starting point is 00:43:27 And you have confidence that this is all going to work out, but that person is in the valley of the shadow of death and they just can't see it. And that's the cry. It's not that I don't believe. I'm trying to believe how long is this going to last? Can I handle this? And so to hear that reflected in Joseph Smith's cry, to hear that reflected in the solmus cry, over and over again, is really powerful.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Yes, great. Sean, sometimes I think we say in our heads, oh, I can't complain to God. It's inning to complain to God, but just read a song then, because they complain enough for you. This is getting old. I love that. It waxeth old because of my nanomies. God, this is getting old. I don't like this. So if you feel like, oh, I could never complain to God. Just go ahead and read a
Starting point is 00:44:11 Psalm and just say, I'm just reading scripture because wow. Yeah, that opening paragraph in the manual, this is a window into our souls, how we feel, what we worry about. Let me take just a little bit of a different tact and approach for just a moment. And then maybe let's move to Psalm 22. There is both in Isaiah, you're saying, if you think that we're not supposed to complain ever read the Psalms, or you could read some prophetic literature from the Hebrew Bible, right?
Starting point is 00:44:39 Jeremiah, he's feeling it and he talks to God. He's not like, well, I gotta be careful. He's like, no, God knows how I feel and I'm gonna express myself here. And there's something healing about that. There's something healthy about God helping us work through the morning process. And it's not, no, you gotta shut it down
Starting point is 00:44:55 and just put on a smile all the time. God is the one that he can hear you. He already knows what's in there. So let it out with God. Yeah, he already knows. Might as well talk about it. You know what that reminds me of is some of you might know, brother John L. Lund, he's like a marriage family guy.
Starting point is 00:45:14 Right, yeah, John Lund. And one of the things he talks about is that we tend to take our frustrations to our family and our love to God. We only talk to him about how much we love him and he says, can we switch that and take our love to our families and take our frustrations to God, which is such an interesting idea as what we're talking about right now. Take your love to your family, take your frustrations to God and let him help you with them. That's what these sound like. And wow, you see that here. And you see a morning because of sin.
Starting point is 00:45:46 These are the ones that are often ascribed to David where he just, I have sins, nigh unto death. Please give me a right heart again. Please heal me. Now, let me hit a little bit of a different topic. We've talked a lot about how God connects with our hearts. There is, there are a few verses that I want to point out where, and we've talked about the ancient temple imagery here that, and the way these were used in the temple, but there is some really powerful hand imagery in Psalms where God is reaching out, and if you think of an image
Starting point is 00:46:22 where God is reaching out to grasp you and pull you into a relationship and save you maybe from drowning or whatever the case may be. Let me point to just a few of these powerful verses. This may get us a little bit out of our first third of Psalms. Look at Psalm 48 verse 10. Let's look at that one for a moment and Look at how they're understanding the relationship with God Psalm 48 verse 10 according to thy name, oh God
Starting point is 00:46:55 So as thy praise and to the ends of the earth and in this moment thy right hand is full of righteousness So notice how it's saying God is full of righteousness. So notice how it's saying, God blesses and lifts you as a right hand that is full. And in Hebrew, the letter cough is shaped like this. And it's also the palm of the hand. And the idea is that that hand is full of blessings, of power, of strength, and then it turns over and pours those blessings out upon God's people. That's the first image that I write hand is full of righteousness. Let me show you another one and Psalm 73, verse 23.
Starting point is 00:47:41 Nevertheless, I am continually with thee, thou hast holden me by my right hand. Now God, whose hand is full of strength, power, goodness, and righteousness, is reaching out and holding us by our right hand. And he's pulling us into our really. So the supreme power, so to speak, of all things, the one who can hold all things in his hands, then meets us face to face and holds us. And think of this beautiful image of holding hands with someone you love, or you're maybe
Starting point is 00:48:18 an older person holding the hand of a little child and walking with them and keeping them safe and communicating your love. And this beautiful imagery in verse 23, you have held me by my right hand. This is how well the psalmist knows God. What psalm is that again, John? That psalm 73, verse 23. Yeah, I think we're now out of our first third. Just go one psalm over.
Starting point is 00:48:44 Let's just do one more. Psalm 74 verse 11. This is a little bit of a different approach. And this is someone saying, I want to restore that relationship with you. And look what he's saying. Let's start in verse 10. Oh God, how long shall the adversary reproach? Shall the enemy blaspheme my name forever? This is the how long question. I want to restore this relationship. I want this restored. And look at the way he describes this. Why with drossed thou thy hand, even thy right hand, pluck it out of thibosom? So the image here is, God, give me your hand again. Let me return to that relationship, that covenant relationship with you.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Really a vocative language, if you think about relationship and connect with you. It's really a vocative language if you think about relationship and connection and this covenant to love that exists between God and His people. I love what the psalmist is doing there. So give us those three one more time. What are they again? So take a look at Psalm 48, 10, 73, 23, and 74, 11.
Starting point is 00:49:48 In fact, let me just, since we're talking about it, this is not Isaiah, of course, that we're talking about. We're talking about the Psalms, but let me just mention to you the powerful one that we're most familiar with from Isaiah, which is, I have engraven you upon the palms of my hands. Anciently, there were those who would not necessarily Israelites, but there were others who would put the name or the image, something representing the God they worshipped on their hands.
Starting point is 00:50:17 So they could show that. So people could look at that. They could show it. Here's who I'm devoted to. And God seems to be reversing that, I am eternally devoted to you. And that symbolism of your name is on my hand. I am devoted to you.
Starting point is 00:50:33 It reverses almost that relationship. And then let me just read a little statement about this idea of the hand that I've been referring to. So they point to this in Isaiah and then we'll leave this sort of hand imagery topic alone for a little bit, but if you look in Isaiah 49, 15 to 16, first of all, the nursing mother may forget, yet I will not forget, and sometimes we just take that as,
Starting point is 00:50:58 well, mothers love so much that they wouldn't forget, but there's something more there, physically speaking, the nursing mother cannot forget. It's physically painful for the nursing mother to be separated from her nursing child. And so God starts by saying, I am pained like a mother. If a nursing mother is pained by her separation from her child more so, eternally more so,
Starting point is 00:51:23 am I pained by my separation from you? The nursing mother might forget, I will never forget you. I've engraven you upon the palm of my hand. In the Hebrew Bible, when someone is consecrated to an office, what we would say they are set apart to an office, the English word that the King James Version gives is they're consecrated. They're set apart to that kind of thing. But the Hebrew doesn't say that actually. That's just the way we translate it.
Starting point is 00:51:50 The act is to Malay et a Yad to fill the hand. I filled the hand of the priest. And that's what's happening in the Hebrew. So the idea is God is placing in our hands His power, His strength, His blessing, He's filling our hands, maybe with symbols, with signs. So if it's a priest, maybe you've got consecrated oil, maybe you've got the blood of the sacrifice, the pieces of the sacrifice, that which you need to do to function.
Starting point is 00:52:18 So if you think of being set apart, then those hands are pouring out upon you, blessings, power, and authority, and you are receiving that so that then you can pour it out upon others. And so we're receiving power from God and then pouring it out. So let me read this from a non-Latter-day Saint biblical scholar. To consecrate means to fill the hand, especially which that is the sign and symbol of office, i.e. to fill the hand with a scepter was to consecrate to the office of King. So your King now, and what do I do?
Starting point is 00:52:50 I put in your hand the symbol of the office so that people know who you are, what authority you have. To fill the hand with certain parts of sacrifice was to set apart for the office of priest and to confirm their right to offer both gifts and sacrifices to God. Whenever the word refers to official appointment or separation to a work or dignity, it is the sovereign act of God.
Starting point is 00:53:08 The accompanying symbolic act was the filling of the hand of the person so appointed with the sign which marked his office. May feel like I've gone off on a tangent and I maybe have a little bit, but I want to go back to this image of Jehovah saying, I've engraven you, my hand is filled with you. And then when he drinks that bitter cup in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross, his hands are filled and then he drinks it.
Starting point is 00:53:36 That's what he needs to do to express his eternal and infinite love, his healing love for us that then will conquer death and sorrow and sin. So there's all kinds of things embedded in this hand imagery. My right hand is full of goodness. The right hand of God is full of goodness. And you're going to grasp me in this loving connection by my right hand. And there's this transference of love, of power, of authority, of a covenant relationship. Is that like a study Bible or? The Bullager, B-U-L-L-I-G-E-R, number in scripture.
Starting point is 00:54:13 So it's the work that's talking about symbolic language in the Hebrew Bible. That's page 145. So that's where you can find that if you're interested in going and doing some studying and looking that up. That's just, this is mind-blowing stuff. Please join us for part two of this podcast. you

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