followHIM - The Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ Part 1 • Dr. Tyler Griffin • December 30 - January 5 • Come Follow Me

Episode Date: December 25, 2024

How does the Restoration help us develop a relationship with Jesus Christ? Join Dr. Tyler Griffin as he kicks off a new year of followHIM by examining The Restoration of the Fulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ: A Bicentennial Proclamation to the World.NOW AVAILABLE IN:French: https://tinyurl.com/followHIMfrancaisSpanish: https://tinyurl.com/followHIMespanolPortuguese: https://tinyurl.com/followHIMportugueseSHOW NOTES/TRANSCRIPTSEnglish: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC201ENFrench: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC201FRGerman: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC201DEPortuguese: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC201PTSpanish: https://tinyurl.com/podcastDC201ESYOUTUBEhttps://youtu.be/tEIkC1LDF40ALL EPISODES/SHOW NOTESfollowHIM website: https://www.followHIMpodcast.comFREE PDF DOWNLOADS OF followHIM QUOTE BOOKSNew Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastNTBookOld Testament: https://tinyurl.com/PodcastOTBookWEEKLY NEWSLETTERhttps://tinyurl.com/followHIMnewsletterSOCIAL MEDIAInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/followHIMpodcastFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/followhimpodcastTIMECODE00:00 Part I - Dr. Tyler Griffin00:34 Intro05:43 Come, Follow Me Manual07:02 Restoration Proclamation10:39 You’re own Sacred Grove15:33 The Inexhaustible Gospel18:47 Zenos’s Allegory and the Restoration24:40 Covenant as a relationship26:06 We are on trial, not the Book of Mormon33:08 History of rejecting God’s prophets39:45 God allows us to assist in His work44:24 2020 Proclamation48:58 God’s plan is NOT to have His children do right50:14 Three things54:14 How does the Father speaks of His children?56:22 I Will Walk with Jesus59:04 The name of the Church01:02:16 The first words of the Restoration1:07:33 Moroni’s final words1:10:09 End of Part 1 - Dr. Tyler GriffinThanks to the followHIM team:Steve & Shannon Sorensen: Cofounder, Executive Producer, SponsorDavid & Verla Sorensen: SponsorsDr. Hank Smith: Co-hostJohn Bytheway: Co-hostDavid Perry: ProducerKyle Nelson: Marketing, SponsorLisa Spice: Client Relations, Editor, Show NotesJamie Neilson: Social Media, Graphic DesignWill Stoughton: Video EditorKrystal Roberts: Translation Team, English & French Transcripts, WebsiteAriel Cuadra: Spanish TranscriptsAmelia Kabwika : Portuguese Transcripts"Let Zion in Her Beauty Rise" by Marshall McDonaldhttps://www.marshallmcdonaldmusic.com

Coming up in this episode on Follow Him. As we walk hand in hand and grow to become more like Him, that's what the church is about. So if you're going to sacrament meeting or to Sunday school or Eve Society or priesthood meeting this month, and you're looking for perfection, stop looking horizontally and start looking vertically, because you'll find it every time. Jesus Christ's perfection is always there, but you're not going to find it horizontally. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith. I'm your host. I'm here with John, by the way. John, listen to this. This is how I describe you.

Unique, historic, and of international impact. That's actually a statement from President Nelson about the restoration. But you, John, are unique, historic, and you have had international impact. Historic. I think that just means old, right? Yes, it does. He's the oldest in the group. John, how exciting. We are here.

It's 2025. We have done four years of Come Follow Me. And this is our second time coming around to a book of scripture that we've studied before. But John, I was thinking about this. As you've studied the other three three when you come back to a book of scripture i think the study from the other three you bring that with you and it changes the way you see this one oh absolutely and i think what's been so much fun hank is having people ask are you going to do it again boy i hope so because every guest has brought a unique look

at things we've seen before every single time hank Hank, you and I have been, why have I never seen that? I'm so excited to go through this again with different guests, different perspectives, and see some new things again. This is very exciting. A new guest with a new vision. I just don't think we're going to get to the bottom of these scriptures ever. I don't think we're going to get to where we're like, we've got it all. We got it. We have Dr. Tyler Griffin with us.

Of all the teachers in the church, and Tyler is not going to love that I say this, but of all the teachers I've met, which are hundreds of teachers in the church, Tyler Griffin stands apart. It is the natural gift for teaching. Tyler, welcome. Welcome back to follow him. It's a pleasure to join you two again. We love having you. And Tyler's an old friend of ours. He's not old, but he's an old friend of ours.

He's not historic. Not yet. I'm not quite historic. He's not quite historic. Give me a few years, John. I'll catch up. If he gets historic, you might get prehistoric, John. So we'll have to be careful.

Tyler, I just want to ask you a question. Most members of the church, I think, who really study Come Follow Me are going to know who you are. What has the last, I think it's been five years, where you have been with Scripture Central doing the Come Follow Me lessons. What's that been like? Like you two described, it's this journey of discovery. And there's something beautiful, almost magical, I would say, about this process of repeating, doing something again. But it's not doing it at the same level. It's like a spiral staircase where you don't just do it again.

You figure out how to do it better and better. That's what it's been is God shaping, teaching, instructing, correcting, clarifying. I cringe at some of the things that I said on camera four years ago, five years ago because of things I've learned now. But it's okay. Life's all about progression. And like you said, Hank, we will never get to the bottom of this in this life. And I find that fascinating and that journey thrilling. Tyler, you've taught this for decades. Are you still learning? John, I know you felt this way before where someone shows you something and you're like, really? I've taught this for a long time.

How have I not seen this? So, Tyler, for our listeners out there, are you too? Are you still learning? Absolutely. There's not just learning, but experiencing. I think that's the difference. It's not just head knowledge. It's relational. It's connection with heaven kinds of capacities that are developing and growing and deepening. That's the beauty of it. Honestly, I know that you two

both experienced this at the beginning of each semester. I'm confident you feel the same way. I am more excited to go in and teach, whether it's the Book of Mormon or the New Testament or Jesus Christ and His Everlasting Gospel, than any previous semester precisely because of all these things we've been talking about. There's more to discover, and the students teach us in the process lessons from heaven, from the Holy Ghost. What does the Doctrine and Covenants say? We're all uplifted and edified together and john that's one of our hopes that people listen and they're uplifted and edified oh absolutely and i think about when people ask the question you're going to start again i thought we have had

what eight more general conferences incredible addresses by our prophet and other church leaders that are also going to enrich everything that we're going to do. We could start going through some of the phrases of thinking celestial, of let God prevail, of all those things that we've heard in these past, relatively recently, that are all going to enrich what we're doing now. Well said, John. I hadn't thought about that. Now, John, we are going to continue doing something that we've been doing for four years, and that is using the Come Follow Me manual. There is so much work that goes into this,

and it is really, really well done. The writing is wonderful. The questions are fantastic. It's not too short. It's not too long. It really is. I would encourage everyone to make sure that you're in the manual each week. I'm going to read from the manual here.

And then Tyler, I'm excited to see where you go with this. We don't really have a specific scripture block to look at today. We're introducing the restoration. Here's how the manual starts. How do you commemorate the 200th anniversary of an event that changed the world? That's the question the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles pondered as April 2020 approached, marking 200 years since Joseph Smith's first vision. This is President Nelson. We wondered if a monument should be erected, but as we considered the unique historic and

international impact of that first vision, we felt impressed to create a monument not of granite or stone, but of words, not to be carved in tables of stone, but rather to be etched in the fleshy tables of our hearts. The monument of words they created is titled the restoration of the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, a bicentennial proclamation to the world. It's a monument, not just to the first vision, but also to everything Jesus Christ has done and is still doing since then. The restoration of his gospel started when one person turned to God and heard him. It continues that same way. Oh, this is so good. One heart, one sacred experience at a time, including yours.

Oh, man. Tyler, what do you want to do today? You and I have been talking for a couple of months about this. What's come to mind? Where do you want to take us? Good question. This is such a unique year where we get to study the Doctrine and Covenants and all of these events of church history and this unfolding restoration. It's unique on many levels. What other scripture do we have that's given originally in English? It's not transmitted over centuries or millennia to get to us. It's given in our time. It's a beautiful opportunity to see this ongoing open canon. The heavens are opened,

as it says in the Restoration Proclamation. I think the biggest point here is for people to not just approach this academically, so to speak, to say, oh, I can give you all the dates, the people, the places, the events, the flow of everything that was occurring. As important and as interesting as that is, it's back to what you ended with there in the end of that second paragraph. It's including yours. It doesn't matter how many people know that the church is true. It doesn't matter how many people can testify that the Book of Mormon is true, or that the Doctrine and Covenants of Scripture, or that Joseph was a true prophet. Those are all means to an end of me connecting with God to say, Heavenly Father, I need help. I need to know what I need to know in order to do what I need to do in order to become

who thou sent me here to this earth to become. And that's really the focus for me of the Restoration Proclamation and the Doctrine and Covenants. And quite frankly, every scripture you ever cover is, how can we turn those into connecting points with Christ? Where I can see him, I can see myself with him on the page, and I can see where I can take his hand and walk with him on that covenant path that he has so graciously laid out for us. At the end of this opening episode for this new year, I would hope that anybody who's watching or listening would say, I want to come to know for myself, not just in my head, but in my heart and in all of my desires and in my behaviors,

that I'm on the Lord's side. I'm going to walk with him this year. I'm going to dedicate my life. I'm going to consecrate my desires, my devotion to him more than ever before, because I believe the prophet's words when he said, the Lord's going to perform some of his greatest miracles ever. There's energy and excitement surrounding the church right now that I love the fact that there's so much happening. For those who are familiar with C.S.

Lewis and the Chronicles of Narnia, I would say Aslan is on the move. That's fantastic. I frequently tell my children, you have to have your own sacred grove. We can learn about the sacred grove. We can go to the sacred grove. We can love it. I love Joseph Smith history. I love the first vision, but it has to lead me to my own first vision. First of many. I need to have continual experiences with the Lord.

Someone might say, why didn't Joseph Smith talk about the first vision that much? I think that might be one reason. Go have your own. Go to the Lord. Someone might say, why didn't Joseph Smith talk about the first vision that much? I think that might be one reason. Go have your own. Go to the Lord. You don't have to just read about my experience with him. You can have your own. Yeah, I love what you're saying here. It reminds me of Moses. Come with me to Sinai. Here's Joseph. Come with me to the sacred grove. And something that he said in history of the church, Joseph Smith said, God hath not revealed anything to Joseph, but what he will make known unto the twelve and even the least saint may know all things as fast as he is able to bear them. Yeah, you can do this too. So thank you, Tyler, for pointing that out. That last line is really good.

One heart, one sacred experience at a time, including yours. That's really good. And we've talked about this many times on the show, John. We need to send our children and our grandchildren to the Lord. Have your own experience. Go talk to him. Go ask. If you want to talk to someone who's obsessed with the Doctrine and Covenants, Anthony Swatt is right there.

Anthony said when he was a kid, he opened opened up a bible and it was one of those red letter bibles he said dad what are the red letters and his father said well this is where jesus is speaking and he thought oh wow okay i'm going to pay attention to the red letters and then it occurred to him what if we made the doctrine covenants a red letter bible where would we hear the lord and he said almost the entire thing would be in red letters. This is the voice of the Lord through the prophet. He converted me a little bit at that moment. I don't let that out too much because I'm constantly trying to pull him the other direction, but this is the voice of the Lord in our day. I love that. And I love the fact that God lets us hear his voice through his instruments. It's not God himself speaking from the megaphone in the sky, so to speak. It's

through the voice of his, at times, very humble servants. It's amazing to me to contrast the difference between when Joseph is speaking prophetically versus when Joseph is speaking as a farm boy in upstate New York. And there is a stark contrast between those two. That's wonderful. The Lord takes the weak things of the earth to do his work. I don't know if that's a compliment to Joseph Smith, but I'm going to take the weak things of the earth, watch what I can do with them. The other thing I would add here at the introduction of this new year is the reality that the foundation of the restoration of the gospel is rooted in Joseph Smith choosing to use his agency to act in ways that are going to align his will with God's. He's not waking up one morning saying, I want to be a prophet.

I want to establish a church. I want to write new scripture. He went to the grove with a question, which church should I join because I'm concerned about the welfare of my soul? I want to repent. I want to be saved. But which church should I join? And because he did that, God then uses him as an instrument to reveal and restore all of these incredible truths, doctrines, authority, keys, establishing the church. All of that amazing flow of the restoration comes because joseph was willing to put his his own will on the altar which quite frankly is what the invitation to all of us as individuals is this year as well is to not have this year be a spectator sport so to speak let other people do the digging and the teaching,

and we just sit back and absorb. But to say, Lord, what would thou have me do? We learn, we keep pulling in all of these resources that we can, but eventually it has to turn to a therefore what? What am I now going to do differently than I've done before? And how can I align my will with God's so that I can move forward on the covenant path? Yeah. And one thing I think we'll see this year, Tyler, is it's a slow line upon line process with Joseph. We get to watch it happen. And with us too, we can get a little impatient and say, hey, can we hurry up this changing process?

And if you'll stick with it, persistence is key. Keep coming back. It's almost imperceptible sometimes. Yeah. Just like a little child growing up and you learn basic things, how to walk, how to tie your shoes, how to feed yourself, how to run, how to read. And eventually you keep developing more. And like we said before, there's always more to learn. It's an inexhaustible gospel, as Elder Maxwell used to call it. And that's both terrifying, like,

how much don't I know, and also exciting. It is a little bit perplexing at times because the more we learn, the more we realize we don't know. It's kind of that analogy of a circle. If you were to draw a circle, the inside of the circle is what I know, outside is what I don't know. The questions that I have are the circumference of that circle. The rim. questions that I have are the circumference of that circle. The more I learn, the more questions I have. And that's beautiful. It's wonderful. My students will ask me questions. I think I'm pretty experienced. I can answer this question. And you know what? I don't know that. I'm sorry. I'll go find out. My sixth grade teacher, shout out to Harrow Byer. He was awesome. He had quotations all over the walls, and I still refer to some of those today. One of them said, the larger the island of knowledge, the longer the shoreline of wonder.

You get one question answered, you got five more, right? We are all here because a teenage boy said a prayer. Like you said, Tyler, his question was, which church should I join? The barrage that came after that. I mean, all this kid wanted to know is what church to join. I just want to know where to go to church on Sunday. Here we are sitting here. Look what has happened.

It's a marvelous work in wonder. It's incredible. And it's still going. And John, I would add this. Moroni told Joseph his name would be known for good and evil. Not good and not so good. Good and evil. But we, the three of us here and throughout the year, we will testify of the goodness and the character of Joseph Smith. And we hope you'll stay with us.

If you want to know the truth about Joseph Smith, stay with us this year and in your own studies. Go through it. You will come through it like millions have with a testimony of the goodness of Joseph Smith. And really, the goodness of Joseph Smith because of who the Lord is and what he can do with someone. And I would add there that sometimes as human beings, our natural tendency is to want instantaneous solutions, quick answers, complete resolution to our problems. This is line upon line. This is a process. Joseph goes in in the spring of 1820, and you watch the Lord do his work. From our perspective, it's absolutely accelerated and mind-blowing how much has happened in the last 200 and what, four years, five years. Our life is intended to be this growth process as I look at the restoration and this unfolding of the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ in these last 200 plus

years. It reminds me of Zenos' allegory in the Book of Mormon, Jacob 5. If you remember that third visit to the vineyard when they found all this fruit, but none of it was tame. It was all wild. Lots of fruit, but not the right kind. The diagnosis of that third visit was, I love this line here. It's in Jacob 5, verse 48. So listen to this, not just in the context of the history of the house of Israel or the history of the dispensations unfolding, but also listen at the level of our own personal

development and our own discipleship and what can sometimes happen. It came to pass that the servant said unto his master, is it not the loftiness of thy vineyard? Have not the branches thereof overcome the roots which are good? And because the branches have overcome the roots thereof, behold, they grew faster than the strength of the roots, taking strength unto themselves. So often in our own lives, we get involved in so many things, so many fruit-producing activities,

that if we're not careful, it can actually overpower the roots that we have to be able to sustain and support all of our life. You only have so many minutes in a day. You only have so much energy. So where you devote that energy is really, really important. In the unfolding restoration, it's amazing to watch how God keeps it very measured and it's not just exploding across the earth. Here we have this tragedy of the third visit with the great apostasy. And then what's the solution? Tyler, you know me well, you know how much I love Jacob chapter five. If you look at the big hit movies of today, it follows the same trajectory as Jacob 5.

There's a setup, a slow build, a tragedy, and here comes this redemption. Here comes the heroes. And that really is the moment of tragedy. What could I have done more for my vineyard? Perhaps it's all over. Perhaps we just end the entire project right now. And then there's this, let's try one more thing. Call the servants. Almost this group that they've been holding back, call the servants and everything changes. When he says in verse 61, go to and call servants that we may labor diligently with our might in the vineyard,

that we may prepare the way. And then in verse 62, he says, wherefore let us go to and labor with our might this last time. A couple of things that are beautiful to me there is, Jesus as the Lord of the vineyard isn't saying, go figure it out. He says, no, come labor with me. We will labor in my vineyard one more time. We're going to nourish and dig and prune and graft and plant one more time, but we're going to do it differently. I love this. Verse 66, he says,

It grieveth me that I should lose the trees of my vineyard, wherefore ye shall clear away the bad according as the good shall grow, that the root and the top may be equal in strength until the good shall overcome the bad. That to me is the essence of our dispensation of the gospel. The Lord of the Vineyard is working very methodically to keep the branches to match the strength of the root as this gospel is unfolding. conference and it's always a guess as to how many temples are going to be announced it's every year wonder how many new missions they're going to be the growth is coming way faster now than it was before but we had to get the root structure in place which to me is a beautiful model for each of us individually as we go into this new year of study is don't get so excited about all of the frills and the garnishment of the gospel that we lose track of the core, the root of our conversion and our connection with Christ. And we make sure that all of these incredible pursuits

that we're involved in don't overpower that which is of greatest worth, which is literally my covenant connection with God and with Jesus Christ. That's wonderful. I remember President Hinckley saying one of the largest problems in the church is growth, dealing with the expansive growth of the church. Tyler, what a great insight that the Lord is not going to let this blossom out of control. We're going to go slowly and deliberately. But as that gets established, it actually can go faster. It can be hastened. I don't know if either of you have ever heard that.

I think the work could be hastened. Just yesterday, I was saying to my class that, anciently, we used to use something called a flip chart as we were on the missions. My flip chart, I had one visual aid with all 16 temples of the church, and I could name them by sight because they're just those 16. Here's Manti, here's Logan, here's Salt Lake, here's St. George, Cardston, Alberta. I said, how many were announced in just the last general conference? My students knew, 17. I was like, yeah, Tyler, is that covenant connection with Christ. One of the ways I've heard this articulated more recently that I really appreciate is do not think of a covenant as simply a contract that you kind of sign and let it on the shelf. Think of it as a relationship where Christ is strong because of that relationship.

I can draw on his strength to help me. And every one of these hearts, one at a time, that that introductory paragraph said so beautifully, one heart, one sacred experience at a time, including yours. That's what it's about. One covenant relationship at a time as this massive growth happens, but it's one person at a time, carefully growing. I feel bad for those people. Do you remember when we were younger, people would say, we have a goal to visit every temple, right?

Across the earth. Yeah. At this point, it's even hard to say, I have a goal to visit every temple in Utah. When I was in the Philippines, just for fun, there was one temple under construction in Manila. And then President Dallin H h oaks gave that talk he mentioned the philippines and showed even a graphic with 11 temples operating planned under construction in the philippines and things really picked up after i left i don't know what to make of that exactly but it was all the cg planted, John, it was.

It's interesting as you analyze this people who get caught up in, I just don't know if the church is true, or I just don't know if Joseph Smith is a true prophet, or I just don't know if the Book of Mormon is true, or President Nelson's a true prophet, or whatever. It's fascinating to me how the scriptures don't put the emphasis on an external true-false test. In other words, the most important question here is not whether the church is true or whether Joseph Smith was a true prophet, because people can go into all kinds of examples and say, well, he can't be a prophet because he did this or because he said this or he didn't do that. They find all the reasons they can for why he must be a false prophet, but they very rarely spend any time putting the true false test on themselves. In other words, whether or not Joseph

Smith was a true prophet is not going to be changed by my belief or unbelief in him. The Book of Mormon's veracity or its truthfulness isn't going to be adjusted in any degree whether I believe it or not. Whether or not President Nelson is a true prophet is not going to be affected by me. The one thing that will be affected by me is whether or not I'm true to the truth, whether or not I'm true to the principles that God is willing to give to me to move forward. And sometimes I have to move forward in faith alone because I don't know. But that's a gift of the Spirit as well, not just a gift to know. Sometimes it's a gift to believe. To the listeners out there, if you're saying, but I don't have this strong testimony like I hear people bearing it fast in testimony meeting,

that's okay. If you can even believe and if you can live like you believe and you can move forward with desires to believe even more and put yourself to the true false test instead of all of these external things the chances are that you will grow like the trees in the vineyard you will become fruitful because john as you said before because your roots are tapped into that relationship with Christ. That's where you're drawing your strength. You're not drawing it from doubters, from unbelievers, from people who want to throw potshots at Joseph or any of our prophets or any of our scripture or any of our revelations or practices. It's not going to help you. People generally walk the direction they're facing.

Instead of facing doubters and unbelievers, as President Nelson said, face the Lord. Turn our attention, our focus of our life to Jesus Christ and see him as not just the root, but my root. It's where I put my life effort is to say, I'm going to, more than ever before, 2025, I'm going to seek the Lord Jesus Christ to do His will and to trust and follow His prophets better than I've ever done it before. And just see what happens as this fruit now gets produced because of that life rooted in Christ. My 18-year-old son, Mason, he likes to drag me to the gym every morning. As you were talking, Tyler, I thought, wouldn't it be odd for Mason and I to walk around the gym saying, I wonder if that's a true weight. I wonder if that's a working treadmill. I wonder if this elliptical is true, where the Lord would say, that's not what this

is about. Start using these things. Use the Book of Mormon. Listen to the prophet. Start acting on those things. This gym, this church is not about what's true or not. It's about you developing into a true person. I really like how you said that. It's almost as if we put the Book on Trial, the Book of Mormon on Trial, instead of ourselves. Putting us on trial. I just love these father-son chats in the Book of Mormon. When Alma the Younger talks with Corianton, those chapters are introduced as, you marvel about this, you're worried about this,

you marvel about this and you think this is unjust. And at the very end, he says, let these things trouble you no more. Only let your sins trouble you. You're focusing on the wrong thing, son. How's your relationship with Christ? And let his justice and his mercy and his patience, his long suffering have full sway in your heart.

I just think, wow, look what he just did there. You're looking at the wrong stuff, son. What great insight there, John. You marvel about this. You're thinking about that. You're debating about the justice of God here. Let's put those aside and focus on how are you doing internally? Are you aligned?

As you pull all of these concepts together here, we live in a world that focuses so much on history and on trying to dig up dirt, trying to, back to our analogy here of the vineyard, spend so much time digging around in the roots, trying to find something to discredit, either a person or an organization or a scripture. And I love the fact that Jesus Christ, he said, by their fruits, ye shall know them. He didn't say by their roots, ye shall know them. People can spend a lot of time trying to dig up all kinds of dirt on different characters in church history. But at the end of the day, as we look at the fruit that was produced

by God through his instruments in those early days of the church, especially Joseph Smith and those surrounding him, those fruits are sweet and they connect me with Christ. They give me a vision of who I am and more importantly, who I can become. And they give me hope. Even as we're talking, we're spending a lot of time, ironically, talking about the Book of Mormon as we're preparing to start a new year in the Doctrine and Covenants. But I think that's fitting in that this is the restoration of the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ in the Book of Mormon is a vital part of that restoration process. There is a line in Preach My Gospel that I thought, oh man, whoever wrote that, I want to buy them lunch. I'm just going to paraphrase it. Throughout history, God has had a pattern of reaching out to his children through a prophet and man has had a pattern of rejecting them.

Then it says, amazingly, they even rejected Jesus Christ when he came. And then it says, consider our evidence that God has reached out again through a prophet. Consider our evidence that God has reached out again through a prophet. The prophet is Joseph Smith and the evidence is the Book of Mormon, which you can read and study and pray about. What a great way to put it. He reached out again and this time he showed up with 531, give or take, pages of evidence. And what are you going to do with it? Where did this come from? And what are the fruits of that? Beautiful. I'm sure both of you feel this same way. As I have read the Book of Mormon and now studied it and read it and studied it and taught it, I understand what Joseph Smith said. Lord, deliver us from the prison of pen and ink. How I feel about the Book of Mormon,

I try to put it into words. It does feel like a prison. There are just not words to describe what this book has done, how I feel about it, what I've seen in it. And it hasn't always been this way. It took, like you said, Tyler, time. And now the beauty and majesty, you would say, of the Book of Mormon is overwhelming to me. There are not words to describe how I view it, see it, and feel about it. Amen.

I just might add, Joseph Smith had never seen an olive tree in his life. I find that fascinating, John, that here's a New England farm boy who he knows a lot about clearing land, cutting down trees, ripping out roots, and leveling and plowing and harrowing and then planting and harvesting food off of a farm. We don't get a lot of detail about clearing land in the Book of Mormon. We don't get a lot of detail about clearing land in the Book of Mormon. We don't get a lot of New England farm explanations. But like you said, we get a very detailed account of an olive vineyard. Yeah. This chapter is one of, you guys are going to have to stop me here, but this chapter, Jacob 5, you could spend your life in this chapter. And this is one of how many chapters you can do the same thing. I know both of you feel this way.

There's an excitement that when you catch the vision of the Book of Mormon, it almost eclipses Joseph Smith. You see the prophet and you're impressed by him, and then you see this book and you almost forget about him and go, wow, this unending, what did Elder Maxwell call it? This mansion, room after room after room with a new fireplace to warm me consistently forever. Isn't that a beautiful thing that if you go back to the allegory yet again, it's not about the servants. They're not even named. Other servants are called in our dispensation and they were few. So you've got a few people who are called to go and assist the Lord. And I love verse 72, it came to pass that the servants did go and labor with their mites,

and the Lord of the vineyard labored also with them, and they did obey the commandments of the Lord of the vineyard in all things. If I could give a marching order for myself for 2025, going into this year of studying the Doctrine and Covenants, it's that, verse 72. To go and labor with all of my might, do everything I can in order to labor with the Lord of the vineyard, in order to obey his commandments in all things. To what end? It's not for me to get glory.

We're not building my kingdom. It's not about me. It's about building fruit. It's about building fruit. It's about growing fruit. And that takes time and patience. That my digging efforts, some listeners may have disabled family members that they're taking care of. Others may have gone through terrible losses of death or divorce or lost jobs or displaced home or all kinds of tragedies. And the reality is we keep going, laboring with the Lord. We dig a little here.

We prune a little there. We nourish a little bit there. We graft in here with the help and the inspiration of the Lord. And we trust that over time, things are going to work out. Beautiful fruit is going to be produced in this little part of the vineyard that he has given me to labor in. And what a privilege it is to go and labor with my might. It's not as if the servant is in servitude. It's covenant relationship with the Lord. And I love that that and it is a joy to work with him in the vineyard it's not a task that's burdensome is there anything better than laboring shoulder

to shoulder with the lord of the universe it's unspeakable i remember the moment in the old testament year that impression over and over again of God is not uninvolved. He's not just watching what's happening. He was relentlessly coming after people, coming after his children. Then in the allegory we've been talking about, it grieveth me that I should lose this tree. If you have a vineyard with a couple of hundred trees and you lose one, but what if the trees are people? What if they're relationships? And that makes it totally different. That I grieve with me, I should lose any of these trees. The Lord of the vineyard wept. How do you think the Lord of the vineyard feels about those servants?

You can read towards the end of the chapter, blessed art thou, for because you have been diligent in laboring with me in my vineyard. You can feel that beautiful connection between the Lord and these servants. It's amazing. So thank you for joining us on Jacob chapter 5 today, also known as the Doctrine and Covenants. Sorry, I didn't mean to take us that far into Jacob 5, but it is so applicable to the coming forth of the restoration. This is an interesting concept that here you have a God who holds worlds without number in his hands. He's more than capable. He can do his work. He tells us that on two occasions in 2 Nephi 27, I am able to do mine own work. And yet the fascinating thing

to me is that he relies on servants to assist in the work. When he could just miraculously perform all the work way better, quite frankly, than Joseph Smith or any prophet or any teacher, Jesus could give every talk this coming Sunday in sacrament meeting, and it would be the best, most perfect sacrament meeting ever. But a perfect sacrament meeting isn't the point. Helping us grow line upon line to become more like the Savior, that's the point. And you can't do that by going and having a lesson and keeping his commandments to the best of our ability, and then pleading for forgiveness when we don't. Extending mercy to others who are struggling in their part of the vineyard as well. We work together, we grow together, we, with the Lord, help produce fruit together. And it's just this long process of becoming who we have the capacity to become. And I just marvel at God's goodness. Instead of just taking over my life and doing everything

perfectly, he lets me wrestle. He lets me struggle. He lets me teach those lessons. He lets me come as a guest on your podcast here because there's an opportunity for learning and growth and development and becoming. It's amazing to me how patient and kind he is with us as children of God through this growing process. John, I've been mission companions here with you long enough that I know what you thought of. I'll start it and you can finish it. The Lord gets his work done through the people. And he gets his people done through the work. I like that. My mission president, Menlo Smith, he used to say, the Lord gets the work done through his people and his people done because we're not done yet. So we do the work however many times we stumble and everything else. But I love

that you said, Tyler, a while ago, when I think about things I taught 20 years ago, I cringe because I'm still learning, yet he lets us do it. But he does it because of what we are becoming, which you've said a few times today, Tyler. It's all about what we can become and it's a long process. Which to me is one of the most beautiful truths that God restored to the earth is that simple reality that we've all known since we could first sing any primary song. I am a child of God. That is such a unique doctrine in the restoration. Most people in the world see us as creations of God, that he fashioned us, he made us, but it's a totally different thing for me to create something or fashion something as opposed to engender new life in a child. That's a totally different relationship. And that child now has capacity

to grow up, to become something that none of my creations have the capacity to do. We see that happening, not just with Joseph Smith and those who are around him in the early days of the church, but we see it with each of us here now, that we're children of God. We're not robots that were created by God and programmed by him. Because if that were the case, quite frankly, when we get it wrong, he should just rewire, fix that code that went astray, fix me. But you don't fix children like that. You invite, you teach, you love, you persuade, you motivate children to use their agency to grow into their capacity. And that's what I see in the unfolding restoration of the

last 200 years is a group of a few servants who are willing to turn to the Lord and say, okay, we'll work with you as you are willing to work with us. And we grow into those children of God that we were born with the capacity to become. I love that. That is wonderful. I think it would be beneficial for us to spend some time in the actual document produced by our First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles for that notable 200th anniversary General Conference back in April of 2020, as you introduced in those first two paragraphs of the Come Follow Me manual. Tyler, I think this is a great opportunity because I'm sure both of you remember that April of 2020, the world was in complete upheaval, and maybe some of us missed this proclamation.

And for good reason, too. We had never seen anything like it. April of 2020. If my memory serves, Hank, BYU shut down classes on March 20th. A week later, a week and a half later, we have General Conference, and this restoration proclamation was given out. And I agree with you. I think a lot of people probably missed the significance of that moment because we were so distracted with what in the world is going on around us with COVID. So this is a good chance for us to say, let's take a look at that.

They point out in the Come Follow Me manual how the whole proclamation opens. That first sentence is fascinating. We solemnly proclaim that God loves his children in every nation of the world. That is a beautiful truth that the Book of Mormon has been teaching for centuries. We are collectively recognizing that truth more than ever before, but there's still room to grow. We still have room to improve there. This recognition that all of God's children, every nation of the world,

every one of them is beloved by him. It reminds me of that powerful line in Alma the Younger's statement in Alma 29, when he opens it by saying, oh, that I were an angel and could have the wish of my heart. Well, that makes sense because it was an angel who came and changed his life originally. He then says, yeah, I sin in my wish. I should should be content but then he gives this incredible truth in verse 8 for behold the lord doth grant unto all nations that's like a hundred percent of their own nation and tongue to teach his word yea in wisdom all that he seeth fit that they should have therefore we see that the lord doth counsel in wisdom according to that which is just and true.

I love this reality that God will give to his children as much as they are willing and able to receive from him. And he'll give it to them in their own tongue and of their own nation. It's a beautiful reminder of the universality of God's love. If you consider all the ways that the first presidency in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles could have opened up a proclamation to the whole world, it doesn't take a long time thinking or pondering on that to realize that was beautiful. That was like the perfect starting point because love is the single greatest motivator. There's nothing that is more powerful to get children to use their agency

appropriately. You can shame them, you can threaten them, you can coerce them, you can bribe them, you can do all these other techniques and get the behaviors that you might be looking for, but you won't get their heart. It's love that opens up the soul of the children of God to recognize who they are, who he is, and who they can become. And then doctrine, nourishment that comes from the gospel of Jesus Christ now has more fertile ground on which to land and grow and one day produce fruit. So I love the fact that they opened with, I don't care who you are or where you live, you're a child of God and he loves you. That becomes the plowing and harrowing the ground to make it ready

for all of this incredible, the seeds of doctrine that are now going to be planted by the members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve. Speaking of the Quorum of the Twelve, Elder Renlund, Heavenly Father's goal in parenting is not to have his children do what is right. Do both of you remember that? I thought, wait, what? Yes. Wait, what? Yeah. Not to have his children do what is right.

It is to have his children choose to do what is right and ultimately become like him. He doesn't want simply obedient children. God desires, expects, and directs his children to choose for themselves. He does not force obedience. Wonderful talk. I could keep going on this. Beautiful. What conference was that?

That was October of 2018. Wonderful concept. Then as you continue in the rest of that first paragraph, I might go as far as to say, just because the three of us are used to teaching scripture classes, and we like talking about chapters and verses, it just kind of rolls off the tongue. I don't mind looking at a document like this. I know it's not canonized scripture. I get that. But to me, it's scripture on the level of the first presidency and the quorum of the twelve apostles unanimously come together and make a proclamation to the whole world. To me, that's scripture.

So I'm going to refer to these not as paragraphs, but as verses, if that's okay. So if you continue in verse 1 here, it says, God the Father has given us three things here. The divine birth, the incomparable life, and the infinite atoning sacrifice of his beloved son, Jesus Christ. Our Father, our God, is a giver of gifts. And he gave us the best gift ever. Not just life. He gave us the life of his son. He gave us the divine birth and that infinite atoning sacrifice of his beloved son, Jesus Christ.

And by the way, sorry to use John's name in vain here. the phrase here, His beloved Son, you start adding up all of the places where God the Father definitely is the one who's speaking in Scripture. You have the voice of God the Father at the baptism of Christ. You have it at the Mount of Transfiguration. You have it in 3 Nephi 11, with the group of people assembled at the temple in Boundful. You have it in 3 Nephi 11 with the group of people assembled at the temple in Bountiful. You have it in the first vision in the sacred grove, which President Hinckley beautifully said God the Father bears testimony that Jesus is the Christ, there's no more powerful testimony available. You've got those four instances of the Father bearing witness of the Son. Then you've also got a couple of instances in 2 Nephi 31, where Nephi hears the voice of the Father. And you get another one in Helaman 5, where Nephi and Lehi are in prison and they hear the voice of the Father speaking.

Then you could debate whether Moses won. In other places, it's the Father speaking or whether it was jesus speaking under divine investigative authority so i'm just going to stick with the ones that i've mentioned there that we know for sure that's the father speaking it's fascinating to me that there's only one word that is repeated in every single one of those the four big ones and then the couple in second ephi 31 and the one in Helaman 5. One word that gets repeated in all of those, and it's the word beloved, which is used here again. It's his beloved son. To me, it's amazing that Jesus Christ cognitively knows

that Heavenly Father loves him. That's not in doubt for him. He gets it. But Heavenly Father says it again and again and again. And every time he introduces his son, he's introducing him as the beloved. For us today, in this unfolding restoration, I think there's a message once again.

Love really is the greatest motivator. With your loved ones, they shouldn't go too long without hearing or experiencing your love, your expressions of love for them appropriately. Not just once or twice, but again and again and again. It's one of those little fruits of the restoration that I think can be applied by each of us. And it's not hard to find ways to more fully express our love for those around us that God has given to us in our life. I can text my son right now that I love him and I know he'll see it because I know he is on his phone. And that's not hard. It's not hard to just express that token.

Our friend and colleague, Brad Wilcox, I heard him take this idea of how the father speaks about the son and make an application to families, kind of like you're doing right now. As best as I recall, look how this father talks about members of his family in front of larger audiences. I thought it was a great application. It's not just, this is my son. We all know that. This is my beloved son. I love him. I am so pleased with him. How do I talk about my wife in presence of others? How do I talk about my children in the presence of others? Is my wife ever wondering what I'm going to say about her? What a great application. Here is the perfect being talking about a member of his family in front of others. Brad is one of those who doesn't just talk about it. He embodies that. He doesn't just talk about grace. He doesn't just talk about love. He lives it. It's beautiful to see.

He does. And it's beautiful to receive from him. It is. He loves people. When I see him coming, I know, okay, get ready. I'm going to get a compliment and a hug. That's motivating. It is. Get ready. I'm going to get a compliment and a hug. And that's motivating. It is.

You want to be better. So to finish off verse 1, they say, By the power of the Father, Jesus rose again and gained the victory over death. He is our Savior, our Exemplar, and our Redeemer. It paints this picture of what kind of relationship, a connection I want with Jesus Christ. He's not just a statue. He's not just a picture on a wall or a word on a page. He's literally the Son of God who was sent to be my personal Savior and Redeemer, my exemplar, he will walk with me. And when I fall, which I do way more than I ought, he's there. When I'm happy, he's there. When I'm perplexed, he's there. When I'm hurting, he's there. And the amazing thing to me is I analyze what kind of a relationship would it be with a human being if every time this individual came to me, they just came and said similar things that they usually say,

and then they walk away. They usually only come when they're really hurting or when they really need something. What kind of relationship would that be? For me, what I've been pondering the last little while is how can I truly walk with the Savior? I love that new hymn in our hymn book. I think it's in 1004, if I'm not mistaken. I will walk with Jesus and he will walk with me, which means not just when I'm in trouble, not just when I'm hurting, but to walk with him when I'm happy, to walk with him when I'm working on a project, to walk with him when I'm creating, to walk with him when I'm going in to teach or while I'm teaching or after I've taught,

to walk with him when I'm in administrative roles, to involve him and include him and draw strength from him and to look at his life as truly the exemplar. What should I do here? Well, what did Jesus do in similar situations? And to have it be more on the front of my mind rather than an afterthought. Don't you love that about the name of the church? The Church of Jesus Christ. And we're going to include all of you as well. Of Latter-day Saints. Or what I like to say is of trying to be.

Really hoping to be Latter-day Saints. I'm glad you said that. Tyler, you used a phrase, Nephi one time calls him my Jesus. Yeah. I've always thought how he's so universal and so powerful, but he also can be my Jesus and I can walk with him. And I think it's only one time, right, that he uses that phrase. But I glory in my Jesus.

I think that's how I want to think of it as a relationship, the way Nephi did there. You pull all that together in this unfolding restoration, and Hank, you mentioned even the name of the church, which actually jumped down to verse 6. We declare that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, organized on April 6, 1830, is Christ's New

Testament church restored. Even that is fascinating to me because when the church is restored on April 6, 1830 in upstate New York, it wasn't given that name. It was just the Church of Christ. And then four years later, it becomes the Church of the Latter-day Saints. So if you go to the Kirtland Temple, you see that it was built by the Church of the Latter-day Saints. And then it wasn't until section 115, verse 4, that the Lord officially names his church for the last time, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And he says, thus shall my church be called. President Nielsen has done an amazing job of reemphasizing the significance of that name. And as you mentioned already, Hank, the connection of Jesus Christ and the Latter-day Saints.

Perfection combined with imperfection as we walk hand in hand and grow to become more like him. That's what the church is about. So if you're going to sacrament meeting or to Sunday school or relief society or priesthood meeting this month and you're looking for perfection, stop looking horizontally and start looking vertically because you'll find it every time. Jesus Christ's perfection is always there, but you're not going to find it horizontally. You're going to find a whole bunch of people who, just like you, are struggling to figure out what they should do and how they should do it. And they're going to mess up sometimes. And that's the beauty of being in an organization like the Church of Jesus Christ, that we're under his direction and he's calling us to labor with him.

As imperfect as our efforts may be, as dull as my pruning shears and my saw might be, he still says, Tyler, go and take care of that branch over there. Yeah. It's beautiful. It is. It's absolutely beautiful. And how gentle we can be with each other. I'm grateful for the members of my ward who understand that me and my family,

we're trying. We're trying just as they are. That is wonderful. My heart is just full today as we talk about these things. I can tell that I'm feeling the Holy Ghost. I'm more in tune with the accounts of the first vision, Joseph Smith said, my soul was filled with love and for many days I could rejoice. It starts with a relationship God loves. And Joseph felt that and he was going to need to feel that

forever, right? What an inspired way to start. I love that you said that, Tyler. He loves his children. That's the starting point. And I think that was a starting point for Nephi too when he had his question. Well, I know God loves his children, but I do not know the meaning of all things. Oh, that's a useful verse for all of us with all of the strange things and contradictions and sadness. Well, there's one thing I know. I know God loves his children. What an important starting point for us. Amen. And if you consider what the very first word heard in all of the unfolding events of the restoration of the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the very first word uttered happened to be just a simple name, Joseph, but spoken in such

a way that it had to distill on that little farm boy's heart, where he could feel not just that he was loved by God, but that he was seen and known by God. Like you said, he was going to need that because unfortunately, you and I don't get to live on spiritual plateaus any more than any of the prophets in antiquity or in the history of the church got to live on these spiritual plateaus, just walking around bathed in the light of heavenly manifestations. You have those mountain peak experiences, but then you have to go down into life and endure through the valley of the shadow of death. And there must have been countless times in his life where he's saying,

I can't do it. I'm not strong enough. I'm not learned enough. I'm not capable enough. Those memories, those spiritual memories of God's love that had been manifested to him on those mountain peaks of revelation had to be able to see him through. And quite frankly,

I think that's one of the messages for us today. There are probably people listening who are wrestling with doubt and fear and struggling with their faith and wondering if they're going to be able to move forward in the gospel of Jesus Christ. If Joseph were here, he would say, cast your mind back, search your spiritual memory, and find those mountain peaks of revelation where God has manifested his love to you. Think of a time in your life when you knew that God was there, that he saw you, that he loved you. And that can perhaps provide enough fuel in the tank to get through this next phase in the valley of the shadow of death. When I think of why we send our sons and daughters and our grandparents all over the world. People we love. We do not want to send them away.

Tyler, you have one right now. He's in Mexico right now. And John, two. We were talking earlier about having all the family together. We won't be all together for a family picture until June of 2026. It's amazing to think about. I'm about to send one out. Why are we doing this? We solemnly proclaim,

this is why our missionaries are there, that God loves his children in every nation of the world. We are motivated by that same message of love. It's not about numbers. It's about telling people, letting them know God loves you. There is a God and he loves you. And he'll walk with you. Yeah. If you jump down into verse two, this is the reason why they were doing this bicentennial proclamation. 200 years ago, on a beautiful spring

morning in 1820, young Joseph Smith, seeking to know which church to join, went into the woods to pray near his home in upstate New York of the United States. I love this quote that comes from the talk, Seek Learning by Faith, by Elder David A. Bednar. You'll remember when he was a new apostle and spoke to seminary and institute and religious educators all over the world. One of the greatest talks ever given on learning. I've read that thing over and over and over again. Here's what he said. Notice that Joseph's question focused not just on what he needed to know, but also on what he needed to do. And his very first question centered on action and what was to be done.

His prayer was not simply which church is right. His question was which church should he join. Joseph went to the grove to learn by faith. He was determined to act. I think that for most of us, we fall into this trap of just seeing God as the trivial pursuit answer bank in the sky that I'm curious. What is this? And I'm curious about this doctrine. I'm curious about this factor or this claim. But there's a difference when we go to heaven, not with a curiosity question, but with an agency-based question saying, I have real intent. I'm going to act on the answer that is given. What would thou have me do? Not just what would thou have me know? That's a powerful transition in our connection with Heavenly Father and with Jesus Christ.

When we put our agency on the altar. You brought up the word I was going to say. When we talk about some of Moroni's closing words and he says, ask with a sincere heart and with real intent. I feel like the real intent part is the, I really intend to act. I just don't want to know. I really intend to do something about what I hear. You tell the Lord you're really going to do what he tells you.

Watch out because he'll answer you. And that's something we can all think through as we study this year. We've talked about wanting to have our own personal experiences with the Lord. As you petition the Lord, think through, if I get my answer, what's the implications? Do I intend to follow through on what I receive? If you're not, wouldn't it be merciful of the Lord to not answer you at that time? It's an amazing thing to be able to use the Savior's phrase because he taught us how to use it.

Lord, here am I. Send me. I will be thy son or I will be thy daughter. And to mean it, regardless of what that answer is going to entail, as you've said, it's powerful. Coming up in part two of this episode. of what that answer is going to entail. As you've said, it's powerful. I'm reminded a couple months ago, our friend that we've already mentioned earlier, Anthony Sweat, came into my office and he asked me a question that caught me off guard. He said, Griff, are you finding joy

in your administration assignment right now in religious ed? Are you finding joy? And I had to pause and think for a moment.