Fore Play - 2017 John Deere Classic Week w/ Padraig Harrington

Episode Date: July 11, 2017

Golf Boys have a stellar interview with 3-time major champion Pádraig Harrington. The boys also clarify their thoughts on the ridiculous trend of crashing into your buddies with a golf cart!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

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We talked to him for a good amount of time, about 40 minutes. Yeah, he was more than generous with his time. Yep, we're just a week out from Open Championship Week. He's won that event twice, three-time major champ. One of the bigger, you know, names that we've had thus far. Definitely and incredibly interesting. And I remember watching him on Farity, David Faradie, who we've had on this show, on his talk show.

And he's fascinating. He's not just like a guy out there playing golf and then, you know, he doesn't have anything interesting to say. He's very thoughtful, and he has a lot of opinions on things, and he's a very, very good interview. Big thinker, which if you're a big thinker, you're really going to stick out on the show. Yeah, huge. Just over the course of the history of the show, you're going to really kind of rise above everyone else. No doubt about it.

So that was about 40 minutes with him. That's going to be coming up pretty quickly. We don't have a ton else to fill the time with because, like I said, that was pretty long for us, 40 minutes. But we do also have, we got golf cart video, running people over, drama, which we're going to get to. I had a big weekend, a big golf event this past weekend, which I'll touch on a little bit called the Skokie Challenge. We also got a couple from the galleries. But first, this podcast is powered by our friends at Dunkin' Donuts,

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I actually haven't got your thoughts on you. We went on the radio, which we might put in some of that audio. But just here between us, you and I didn't really talk much after we went on the radio. But it's good to have this on the table finally because you and I behind the scenes have been talking about this golf cart assholeery for a while now. So it's good to have our actual opinion on taking. and like how we actually feel about it. Yeah, and it's very tricky because we are we are barstool sports. Barstool is all about humor, funny trumps everything.

You know, funny comes first, all of that. And a lot of these different things that we get sent in that we post are inherently funny. I mean, if you first see something and you laugh, it's funny. We're probably going to put it up. And that's kind of been the M.O. for Barstool all along now that we've got these different branches, whether it's us being the golf guys, basketball guys, whatever it is, you know, you kind of carve out your niche and you try to focus on one thing. As golf guys, I genuinely despise the fact that there are people out there that right up their buddies hit a golf shot, they're running them over full speed with a golf

car. It's insane. That's the difference. Like, if it gets posted on Barstool, that's fine. Like, Barstool's funny. Barstool wants to get their engagement. They want to get their numbers up. That Instagram is a monster. It's just going to keep going. So they post everything and anything. With the foreplay account, at least what Riggs and I thought, we wanted it to be a little more an expression of what we thought should be posted and what we thought should be going on in the golf community that kind of came to a head in terms of the golf and running people over which we did not agree with

so that's kind of that was the main crux of the argument and that's what we hashed out with Dave on the radio that's what we hashed out with him in his office that's kind of where we were at and it just feels good to have our opinion out there that we think those dudes are fucking assholes yeah and it got to the point where I mean every time we would post or I would see a four play account post one

I would cringe and be like god damn it We posted another one, but we weren't really 100% sure if we could be like, hey, we're not fucking posting these because bottom line is Barstool pays for us to sit here and talk about golf, to go on trips, to go to the masters. All this stuff comes from us being under the umbrella of Barstool, and we love Barstool. That's why we work here. But we didn't really know. We didn't really know how that was going to go. Trent had a talk. We eventually went into Day's office this morning.

Then we were on the radio all damn day talking about it. So it feels good to get it out there. I fucking hate those videos. I also despise most videos where just golf cart fuckery messing up the golf course in general and making the superintendent's lives miserable. But we are bar stools. We're different things that are funny. We're going to post. We contemplate all the time the best way to kind of curate our social media accounts as the foreplay team.

We're not the only people that post on there. But we do, you know, we have a decent amount of say on what goes up and what doesn't for the most part. And, you know, we try to put pictures of really cool golf holes mixed in with really. funny golf cart stuff. Sometimes we throw in some interesting stats from the weekend. We throw in highlights from the weekend. So we try to make it a good mix of like what we would want to follow. Not just like pure shenanigans, which some accounts are. Not just pure like golf, hardcore PGA tour statistics

because we're not that at all. Yeah. But a mix. And I think that's a little bit of separation with between us and Dave. I know Dave wants, he just wants to grow, grow, and that makes sense. He hasn't gotten this far because he's dumb. He's a very smart person. Right. But we, he thinks that we are being snowflakes because it's like how do I want to say it he thinks we're just trying to be golf hardos when we're just we think it's it's not that demographic there's normal people out there who play golf and that's kind of who we're aiming it towards who don't like the golf cart thing as well right and it doesn't even really have anything to do with golf it's a lot more like

if this was a trend of like running people over a men's league hockey as a zamboni I would be very against that yes and I would not want to post those if that's what kept happening because it's very dangerous and fucking sucks yeah And that's just the way we feel about these. They're awful. And, like, that would drive. I mean, and so now I have a bounty out. I have a thousand-hour bounty on my head.

I think that I'm definitely going to get hit. Yeah, yeah, I think so, too. I emailed our people and was like, what is my health insurance situation? Smart. I'm going to get run over by a golf cart. Yep. Best case scenario, I get runover. I get slightly injured.

I can sue Barstool and Dave Portnoy, make a bunch of money, but not be permanently injured so I can recover. Yes. And then we'll be in good shape. Yeah, see, this is this is what's fucked up is one of the main reasons I hate those videos is that when you go out and play golf, you live in fear that this is going to happen. Now you have to literally live in that fear with everyone around you because stooleys are everywhere. Yep. It's not just your buddies that are going to do this potentially, which I don't think they would. But now you have to, it could be random dudes coming off a completely different hole and ramming down your guy Riggsie.

Yeah, and a lot of this, you know, people are going to say or Dave's going to say, well, you kind of brought it on yourself. we had this very phenomenal idea. After we had the discussion on the radio show with Dave, the back and forth about running people over with golf carts, I went and got Big Cat scooter, and I parked it right outside the radio room, and I was going to run over Dave with the scooter, which came after the Barstool Radio team retweeted a tweet that was like,

if I don't see video of Riggs getting run over, the internet has failed me. I need that immediately. Yep. Which I took as a hit. If you retweet that, that's encouraging people to hit me. So I decided to get out in front of it. I was going to hit Dave with a scooter, which obviously would never do any harm to anybody.

It's just a little scooter. It's not going to hurt anybody. Those people run into people on the sidewalk all the time. They just get out of the way. Everybody's fine. But it would have a really funny video. We have a bunch of Dave loyalists in the office. Not a lot of Riggs-y loyalists, at least none that we're willing to affect this situation.

They ratted me out. And then Dave's response was we're going to put a $1,000 bounty on Riggs getting hit with a golf cart. Again, this is all legally speaking. It's going to be very good for me, I think. Just hope I don't get hurt too. bad when I do get hit. The beautiful thing about a place like this bar stool is that everything is recorded. Everything is on video. So everything that Davis said about the bounty and then the eventual hit of you that is going to happen. I'm sorry to say. We'll be videoed because it has to be

for proof for Dave. So you're looking real pretty right now. I'm almost not even going to be scared when I go off because I know I'm going to get hit eventually. So it doesn't really matter. It's like this either going to be a good shot or bad shot or I'm going to get hit and I'm going to make a bunch of money. Eventually I'm going to get hit. So it doesn't matter. Right. You know. So anyways, fuck people that, you know, run their buddies over with golf carts. I'll report next week when I definitely get hit this weekend. And like, and Gaz also said, Gaz, the guy who runs our main social accounts,

this is going to die. This is going to die very soon. It's like any other vital trend. We hate it as much as we hate it, but we also have in the back of our minds that it's going to be gone soon. So anybody out there who is like us, don't worry, it's going to be gone soon. Moving on, I had a big golf weekend.

I was out in the Chicago land area. I do a part of about, I think, three different kind of, of Rider Cups and then a couple of member guests. So I got like five-ish big majors on my schedule every year. This is probably my biggest one. Okay. This is last weekend. It's called the Skokie Challenge.

It's at Skokie Country Club in Glencoe, Illinois. It really started. I'll just touch on this real quickly. I know most people or a lot of people have, you know, rider cup type stuff with their friends. They like to hear about other people's. And they ask questions about it all the time. You have any recommendations?

How can they be better? Our started eight years ago. This was the eighth one. Pretty simply. My roommate and one of my teammates. and good friends from college. Grew up on this course. Skokie Country Club in Chicago.

They had 1920 U.S. open there, won by Gene Sarazen, who beat Bobby Jones by a stroke. So it's a good track. They have the Western Am coming up there soon, which is one of the top three amateur tournaments in the United States of America. They live on the eighth hole.

Okay. Really nice house in the eighth hole. Wow, yeah. So we legitimately just walk over to the T. That's beautiful. It started eight years ago. My brother and I, my brother lives in St. Louis. I always see him a couple times a year.

We were home for college, summer break. We drove up to Chicago about four and a half, five hours. Played with my buddy and his brother on their course. Oh, you saw your brother this weekend? Got to see my brother. Awesome. I didn't know that. So it started just two on two. It evolved over the next couple of years. Now it's six on six. Damn. It's the host, which is my buddy and his family and one of their good family friends against myself, my brother, two other college roommates and teammates of mine and one of their brothers and another buddy of ours. So six on six, very intimate golf tournament. We do Saturday, four ball, you know, two on two. Everything's handicapped.

Sunday singles. We won last year for the first time. We had never officially won before. It's their home course. You know, they know the track inside and out. This year, it came down on the wire. It came down to the 18th hole. There were two singles matches still on the course, and we were one up and both of them, and we had to win both matches to win. Yep. And we ended up coming up just short. No. It was the most dramatic finish. A couple of my buddies that were in those matches were devastated afterwards, which is what you want ultimately. You want that emotion. You want people to care.

You don't want people like being like, whatever. No, right, exactly. But it's, you know, we have, it's the greatest place in the world. It's the coolest weekend of the world. We stay at their house. Their big scotch and wine connoisseurs. I was following your Insta story all weekend. Big Scotch weekend for Riggs.

Not a huge Scotch guy, but this is my one weekend of the year where I really dig in. Yep. And just crushed Scotch. Like I said, I get to see my brother a couple times. year who's like my best friend so we get to hang out we played together both days is there uh is there a dress coat at these types of deals because i saw you were looking pretty dapper one of the night so the friday night is a coat and tie affair and it's the one time a year basically that i wear a coat and tie okay the other one is the member guests that so two times here at um tcc no big deal but i don't

we just wear t-shirts and fucking shorts all the time so i quickly realize every year that i don't fit into my stuff from the previous year and i only have like one dress shirt because i refuse to do dry cleaning because I don't wear nice stuff enough. Right. So I pretty much scrounge together whenever I got. I was wearing my roommate Lurch, the big clown that we've talked about. Oh, yeah. I was wearing his sport coat, which was hilariously like a little too big, but like wearable.

Okay. Yeah, I was swimming a little bit. Okay. So I was geared up on Friday, drinking scotch feeling like someone I'm not. We played the track Saturday, and then I got a message, a DM from a stoolie who was like, hey, I was a couple groups behind you. I like, caddy out at Skokie. I hope you really enjoyed it. Jack, super nice dude.

I was like, why don't you caddy for me tomorrow? So Stooley Jack, big for play guy out there. Shout out to him, came out and caddied for my brother and I yesterday. That's awesome. We shot the shit. We had a good time. You know, there were a handful of people I saw around the course that were big fans of the podcast. So nice to know we got people out there watching our back, protects us.

I'm going to need those people on the course. That's the thing. We always talk about. There's tons of stools and all the courses we go to, which is true. You're going to have to, I don't know if you watch Game of Thrones. I think you do. They've got the little birdies out there, the little kids around the city that give them information. that's what the stool is going to be half for you

in terms of people running you over with a golf card. Yeah, I was thinking about it because I'm going to, I mean, I'm going to have to make sure the people in my group that all the cards are in my view in front of me. Nothing can be behind me. I'm going to have to make sure whoever I'm carded with that day, whoever my teammate is, is like the most trustworthy guy in the world because you have to have my back.

Yeah. So it's going to be a tough world. You know, Dave really stole one thing for me, which is being able to go out, be outside, play golf. It's peaceful. You're kind of running your own ship, playing your own game, competing against the course, to now people are going to be running me over with operational vehicles.

You need, like, you need president, like, secret service. Yeah, service. Basically. So it's tough. What do you, so when we were on the radio, you had said that you were going to, if somebody hits you, you were going to take out a gun and kill them, which I actually think that's true. I feel like I know you.

I think that's something you would do. Yep. What are you going to, what do you think your actual reaction would be if you're not too injured to, if you don't like break up? So it really depends. I think if it's one of my buddies. Or, you know, then that, there'll be ample opportunity over the course of the next however many hours where I will, like, sneak up and just start beating them with a golf club or something. Or, you know, if we go out one night and they, like, pass out a little early, I'm just going to literally start beating the fuck out of them while they're sleeping.

Love it. If it's someone I don't really know at all, I'm going to have to track them down. And, but I will get revenge. I'm a very vengeful person. I occasionally have some rage built up. So I will retaliate. And it won't be an equal. and opposite retaliation, it'll be

significantly harsh. That's a good message to get out there because before that, it kind of seemed that if you're just going to get hit and those people are going to get paid. Now those people have to think, if I hit Riggs, he's going to physically hurt me. I'll physically hurt them. And he's being completely genuine. Oh, yeah, I'll definitely physically hurt them. So that's what you got to... People who are going to

potentially hit Riggs, you got to weigh that. You got to weigh that out. So, up to you. So that was some of the drama on the office there. There's always something. Dave's fucking finally back from Nantuckin. It's just It's chaos for us in the office. That's what it is. Please go back to that fucking island. I don't think you can.

Oh, yeah, you're right. Tusha. So, tough, Dave. Anyways, big golf weekend. There was some drama in professional golf. Yeah. We had John Rom wins the Irish Open. Yep.

That was not the story. The story was another, I think it was the sixth hole. Was that right, Trent? Yeah, yeah. Sixth hole, we had another kind of marking your ball on the green and then replacing it in the proper spot. Controversy. Yeah. It should be noted that John Rom won by six stroke.

So the two-shot penalty wouldn't have mattered. And I don't know. Did you get a chance to look at the footage at all? I saw it. What did you think? Yeah. I mean, I think it was completely accidental, but it was a violation of the rule. So this is the big conversation now, and this also goes to the belly putters, is they throw the word intent into these rules.

Right. And that kind of gives people, that gives a guy like John Rohn and be like, that wasn't my intention. And there are people like Brandel-Chambly who are like, that's a cop out. it should be one way or another. And I think I agree with Shambly. I think he didn't get penalized, but he should have. You can't say I didn't intend to, like, if I kill someone, like, if I hit you with my cart on purpose, I can't be like, I didn't intend to do that. And they're like, all right, you can walk free.

Right. And so, yeah, I agree with Brandl as well. I mean, he was, you're right. He won by six shots. It wasn't going to matter. And they were trying to make it sound on Gallup Channel like, well, if he gets a two-stroke penalty here, then he's only up by four. And it really affects him, maybe. But he won by six.

It probably wouldn't have mattered, but they did get it wrong. I mean, the guy blatantly, like, put his ball in a different spot. Yeah. Can't do that. No, it's illegal. That is illegal. If you break the rules in golf, you have to get punished for them, and there's video evidence of it. So it's pretty bizarre.

They didn't punish them. I don't know if they were just trying to avoid all of the U.S.GA, you know, negative press that they've gotten over the last couple years for for random different rules violations over different championships. But it makes it worse when they just don't enforce it. Right. And what the U.S.GA got trouble for was with Dustin Johnson being like, oh we might penalize you we'll see and making him have to play with that on his conscience instead of just knowing they did tell i saw they told rom in the middle of his round like you're not getting the penalty he was like all right cool right so that's the right or one way even if they had said you're definitely getting the penalty right that's better than what the usGA did so you know they got wrong but but john robin fucking won by six he uh he even with the penalty he would have won obviously by four strokes and he still would have beat the the tournament record by like a stroke so he dominated the entire thing. He dominated. He went

from... I think... Oh, go ahead. He went from over 500th, ranked over 500th in the world a year ago to I think he's up to 8th now. Yeah. That's pretty good run. He's having himself a pretty good year. That's the second win of the year. Yeah, yeah, he won a Tori

with that hole out for Eagle on the 72nd hole. We also had Chesson Hadley, who won the web event and then to get him back on the tour and then sobbed uncontrollably afterwards. Totally. I love that. Everybody likes to see that. Obviously, just like I was talking about with my tournament.

I was just going to say that. That's all you care about. That's why we get into it with the LPGA. Whatever's on. If it means a lot to those people, it means a lot to me watching. I want to see that. I want to see how people react. That was great to see.

It'll be nice to have him back on the main tour. Zander Schofley won the Greenbrier. Greenbrier obviously got canceled last year. It was back this year. It was looking mint. We have people being like, is that a gustle? It's crazy how they can do that. If you go back and look and they ran a couple pieces during the actual coverage of the tournament,

it is insane that that place looks the way it does. It looks amazing. Yeah, it's spectacular. We had the Phil Mickelson. You blog this. Oh, yeah. The Phil Mickelson Falconry commercial. I don't know how.

Is there much falconry, like, in places that you've been? Didn't even know falconry was a thing. I thought maybe in the halls of Harvard there were like, there's like whispers of falcons. There might be, Trent. I'm not invited to those halls. You know what I'm saying? You went to Harvard? Yeah, but like I don't, like, the halls where they're doing Falcons.

Like they're not like the kid that got recruited to play ice hockey. This right here is the difference between you and Francis. Because if I asked Francis, he would be like, I fucking love falconry. Yes, right. I fucking love falconry. Falcon, when that fucking falcon flew over at his hand in that little commercial spot, I had to, I did like eight rewinds. I was like, what is going on here, Phil?

My favorite part is it's so casual. It's like it should be there. Like they even listen as the first one and it's in there with offroading and golfing and tennis and fucking falconry and this falcon comes in. just lands on this lady's arm it's incredible and Phil talking like yeah you're right Phil Mickelson Falconry he's like duh like it's it's very golf is a very white sport and that was a very white commercial yeah um that was actually a pretty good finish i mean there weren't a ton of huge names robert strebs up there who's always really fun to watch because of his antics his reaction

almost got a little haducky going on on all the shots where he's got um a hilarious reaction like he just hit the worst shot of all time um and he you know he made i think he made like a double on 13 or 14 or something so he had a good reason to be kind of delivering some frustrated disgusted antics but he's always fun to watch there weren't a they weren't a huge a gigantic a bunch there were not a huge amount of gigantic names coming down the stretch um nice she's awfully get a win he's been playing really well the last month and a half or so yeah um maybe longer but he just kind of popped up on our radar um anyway oh and we got johnny miller i was just going to bring that up johnny miller extended to 2018.

Huge Johnny Miller guy. I know. I love Johnny Miller. I hate that you like Johnny Miller. One of my favorites. I love the way that he just gives it to you. I love that he always mixes in a comment about how great he was. Yep.

About he could have hit that shot, about how he used to be able to hit that shot, no problem. We most recently had the Justin Thomas stuff where he was like, yeah, it's good. But what do you say? It was like the Omaha Open. It's pretty good for the Milwaukee Open or whatever. As much as I hate Johnny Miller, it's good. You know that's a great comment. It's good to know where a guy stands all.

the time. Yeah. So as much as I hate Johnny Miller and he says nerves all the time, he's a jukebox on Sundays. If you just put quarters in him, he would just keep saying nerves, nerves, nerves. Yeah. But I do like that I kind of know exactly where he's coming from every time something happens.

Yeah, you know what you're going to get? There's no real big surprises. And I just, I think he's laugh out loud funny. I think he's genuine. I think he means all those things that he says. Yeah, yeah. He's not pretending. No.

He's arrogant. Super arrogant. And, you know, and he was for a couple of years there. One of the best players on the planet. So good to see Johnny Miller be in the booth till 2018. Yeah, I thought it would be longer than that. I thought 2018, I feel like they're going to just sign it forever. Maybe they don't want to lock him up for two.

You know, you got to be a little careful there. He's, if nothing else, he is polarizing on the internet, and that is what people want. That's what NBC probably wants. I feel like the internet is pretty majority against Johnny Miller. Yeah. And like all the dads back home watching, like kind of like Johnny Miller. I feel this exact way, and you're right about Bubblewere. Watson.

Yeah. And Bubba Watson in a vacuum on Twitter is universally hated. Yeah. But then if you go out to the Galternets when we were at the travelers, biggest crowd in the world. Biggest crowd in the world. Yeah. So I think people sometimes get lost.

I'm a victim of it in the internet and being like, I'm clearly right because everyone's agreeing with me. But then you go outside of it and people are like, I love Johnny Miller. I'm like, I don't get it. Yeah, we live in this little corner of the internet that sometimes is not a great reflection of it. I like it. I like, I'm right.

Yeah. True. Okay. Good for you. You're wrong, but you're right. Okay, that's great. All right, next up, we got Patrick Harrington. Quick little note about this that we didn't really realize until we started recording that if you're in Europe where he was, there is a long delay. So a couple second delay, which Sunshine was able to cut a lot of those out.

But we were not really able to have necessarily a conversational back and forth. It's very strange to talk to someone on a delay because it's you're saying it's not conversational whatsoever. So with this interview mostly, we lobbed him questions and he gave answers. Very, very interesting answers. It's a very good interview. It's just that it wasn't as conversational because of the delay. Yeah, we're not very professional. So we kind of had to scrap what we thought it was going to be mid interview because we, it was almost like we just emailed him questions.

Yeah. Ask wait for three seconds. He starts talking. Sometimes you come up with another thought and then you realize he doesn't get that thought until like five seconds later. Right. So it's a little. We're making it sound like it's terrible, like it's really bad. It's going to be fine.

The interview is really good. It's just that's what, that was our mindset going in and we had to kind of change up a little bit. Yep. And he's got his little, his Gaelic going on, the Irish accent. Mm-hmm. So, which I love. I think everybody loves that. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. But, but yeah, focus in. Listen to what he says. He's got really, really, really good, interesting stuff. We're big fans. Where are you at right now? I'm down in Spain at the moment. There's a family holiday.

Nice. The Fultzman's holiday, I practice a big during the day and then go through his poo with the case in the afternoon. That sounds lovely. It sounds a little better than New York City, to be honest with you. Yes. I'm sure there will be older things we're here in New York, but I'm sure it's a bit sticky to be there now at the time of the year. Yeah, Stinky's the perfect way to describe it. So, yeah, like I said, you know, we really appreciate it.

We're big fans. We kind of want to just get started going back, you know, kind of to your roots. You're obviously a Dublin guy. I know you grew up the youngest of five. as, you know, one of the youngest or the youngest in my family, I feel like being the youngest of five sons probably built up a lot of that competitiveness you got. There's no doubt. Being the youngest of five sons, I was always, I suppose, a good role mother than my older brother.

I was always trying to catch them and beat him, whatever we did. Plus, being the youngest means I got all the opportunities. As I often say, my older brothers, when they were teenagers, all would have had part-time jobs. but if on my date became a teenager, you know, there was plenty of pocket money in the house, so I didn't have to do anything I just take off. That's nice. That's a nice little opportunity. And you also grew up, you know, you kind of went to the same school as Paul McGinley,

who you would, of course, go on to, you know, play on multiple rider cup teams. What was it kind of like for, you know, the two of you to kind of, I guess, grow up on the professional golf scene and kind of watch each other's success coming from the same place? Well, you know, it's strange. We were five years apart in the school, so I wouldn't have known Paul Begaly when he was in the school, but the area we came from

has a number of golf course. But I don't think myself of Paul would have told anybody when we were in school necessarily that we played golf. We went to a school that was really a take game of football in our school, and that was pretty much it. So, yeah,

often being considered a, you know, It wouldn't be a hard sport, so anyway, put it like this when we were growing up. It's kind of all changed now in Ireland, but all the people have been in a college here. Yeah, and most of the case,

I kind of really enjoy it now, and it's recent school to play off. Yeah, well, let's fast forward a bit and kind of get into that because, you know, you had an incredible amateur career, and one thing, you know,

when I was kind of looking back and going through some of my research, you know, you're part of the winning Walker Cup team, 1995, but you entered professional golf, relatively late. You studied accounting in college for several

years, kind of debating whether or not to turn pro. Just kind of talk a little bit about, you know, that decision and kind of deciding to turn pro relatively late for a lot of guys. When I was 18, I finished school, I didn't know what I wanted to do. Like a lot of people, I did want to be in the golf industry.

I like to say golf, but I didn't think I was good enough to be a pro. So I enrolled in my course to the county. And when I finished my professional their exams, well, not when I finished half a through, I kind of decided that not because of the top, still

I didn't think I was good enough to be a pro, but I was better than the other guy, a turning pro because it was beaten them. So it says, well, look, if they think they're good enough, and if they're turning pro, I give it itself. And, you know, success for me would have been five years on the European tour finishing

75th to 100s in the order of where I would have considered that a great success. I just didn't realize, well, I don't know if it and realise I didn't really think too much about. So when I get out and tour, there was certainly an innocent about me, and I just played. I get my head down and played.

You know, never looked back. And that was the big key point. I wasn't trying to change anything. I was just doing my thing over and over. I really just didn't any better. There was a beautiful innocence about my God. I was a very determined person, but I'm sure if I look back now at the person I was when I was 24,

I probably would have predicted that that guy wouldn't make it as a golfer. I'm curious, you say you had some doubts or whether you can make it or not. You just said it there when you were 24. You didn't know if you could make it. Where does that doubt come from? Because obviously you're very accomplished golfer now. Where did that doubt start to seep in when you were younger?

The one thing I've done well in my career all the day is I've always managed to dominate in my locality. So I would have started out with dominating as a junior in my golf club. then in the local golf clubs, then I would have moved up to the county in province and then the country and then once I finished that, I moved into the youth and the senior level.

When I was 18 years of age, I didn't get picked in the top 20 junior golfers in Ireland. No, I was the best, but I didn't get picked. Right. So all I can say is, I didn't have a pretty game, but I won.

I continue to win. I would say my greatest achievement in my school, well, I can't say to my greatest, but one of my great achievements in my careers, I never lost a single campaign for my country at senior level for six years. So every best player in the guys in Great Britain and Ireland and in Europe, when I came up against them in a match

for out six years, I beat them in, when I was playing for a country. So that's what gave me the belief that I could turn pro that I was beating the best that Europe had to offer. What wouldn't it give me the confidence is, you know, where I could get the job done, I wasn't exactly, I wasn't a good ball strike, I wasn't a good swimmer at golf club, I wasn't a pretty player.

I was effective, but I wasn't, you know, like I never played a professional golf event after I was 24 years of age. Nowadays, you know, the good players are playing at 13 years of age. See, you can understand I could feed anybody at any stage in a one-off match. I just didn't really, I don't know, maybe I just didn't look the part.

so I didn't necessarily think that I was a big star in making. So you, you know, you came out, you won pretty early in your career, I believe it was your 10th event, were you thinking at the time like, oh, oh, baby, this is going to be pretty easy? No, what happened is, this biggest thing to my success as a professional golfer. I was in Nairobi playing a challenge tour event. I got a late invite to play a European tour event in the Northern Country Club in Fed. the PGA championship in South Africa. I traveled.

I think six guys at my venue refused to travel. I traveled. I got sick, very badly dehydrated in the Wednesday. I'm sure nowadays I'd be on a drip on all those things, but 20 years ago, I just shivered my way through the night. I had a late tea time, luckily. I played with clubs that were four degrees too upright for me. I just got brand new set clubs.

Everything could have gone wrong and went wrong for the week. but as I was prone to do at that time I chipped and put in every hole which was a given from me I really didn't think that was I thought that's what you did and at the end of the week I finished 48 and I won 1,460 pounds

I rang their mother and I said I cannot believe that I could finish make the cut and finish 48 in an event playing the way I did and they're just giving this money away I won a 1,450 pounds and it was such a boost to me

that I could feel like I did and play my best and still belonged. And I think all these rookies coming out the hardest thing is to feel like they belong. They all come out, trying to change things, trying to make them better, trying to play at them better. Whereas I got at my first tournament,

I played at my worst, which, what I taught was my worst. Obviously it wasn't. What I thought was my worst, and I still made the course. I still belonged. And that just gave me tremendous confidence going forward. And I made My first six cuts, then I weighed three top tens, and then I won. And all because I just, I never looked back, I never questioned. I just kept playing.

Never really, you know, didn't get into it. As I said earlier, there was a beautiful innocence about what I did. And, you know, I did that for two years where I just rammed the ball and never looked behind me. So in 1999, you know, you finally, you qualify and make your first Ryder Cup team. It's in Brookline. You're kind of right in the Lions then there. of the Americans. Everybody talks about how there's nothing like

Rider Cup pressure, that first T. What were kind of your feelings? You know, you had some international experience on the amateur level with the Walker Cups and all that, but what were your feelings like going into that first Ryder Cup? Very similar to Walker Cup. You know, pressure is the same. It doesn't matter where you are.

If you're playing for your club championship or you're playing in the Walker Cup, you're playing in the Ryder Cup. You will feel the same pressure. The difference in the Ryder Cup is you've got to play. could feel that pressure. You know, normally if you're feeling the pressure, you're actually pretty much leading the event.

So you've played well for 63 holes, whereas in the Rydicup, you could be asked to play well on the Sunday, I haven't played badly on the Friday and Saturday. And that's tough. You know, there is a huge pressure in the Routiqueup, a huge focus. And you're not 100% sure where your game is at, unlike other weeks where you have all the, you know, you know what you're doing.

But the time you get to the last nine holes in the tournament, we pretty much know what their games like at that stage whereas in the Ryder Cup, it's much tougher. Now, I qualified literally two weeks before, so I was on half run of form. But I will say, like the Walker Cup, my very first shot in the Ryder Cup, by the time I got to hit it,

I was a seven iron off the first fairway. I literally couldn't see the ball. I was that nervous. And I really do mean I couldn't see the ball. Thankfully, both in the Walker Cup and there, I hit good shots, which again is a nice affirmation. and I really get the most amount of pressure that I still can't perform. So that was good.

But as I said, it's air-racking. Do you remember that year thinking on Sunday that the USA team shirts were the ugliest shirts you'd ever seen? No. I was too colorful for what I was doing. I really was, you know, my match, I never, I think I was maybe seven in the order. and I was the first blue number on the board.

Everybody above me was read, but I never looked at the sober, so I didn't realize how bad things were. I was just playing my game. I only realized, well, not that I realized, but everybody surged around my game around this 13th, 14th hole. It was a valid just won the match in front of me,

and then literally it was playing deep, and they were screaming at Mark or Mirror that they needed is that they'd have. made his match. They all taught my match with the match because they assumed where Lazaba being three up with six to play

that he was going to beat Justin Menner so they assumed I was the bit of a match. I remember the pressure but I remember thinking they're really pushing the pressure on the marker mirror. You know, telling him that it all falls on his head

that it all right than him is not helping on play but yes, it was intense and probably the most intense experience I've ever had in the out of course. Those last six holes bookline and I've been a football match and we don't experience

that too often. Thank you. I get across the line and one hole to win. I don't think I've ever been as excited in my life. I remember doing an interview on the 18th degree and then I manned down the 18th fairway to the 17th grade.

Now I get around, I probably glided. I was at such a high. And I just got myself sat down, he could just congratulate the win, good sat down at 17. And I wouldn't say it wasn't 30 seconds later when Justin Leonard told that put and took all the glory away.

I would think it, I was thinking I just won the Ryder Cup for Europe and then 30 seconds later, it was all done. Yeah, and that was, you know, that was one of the crazier, more crazy moments in the history of the Ryder Cup. Do you kind of remember your reaction to, you know, the Justin Leonard Putt reaction

and the controversy in the U.S. team on the green, what was kind of going through your mind as that was all unfolding? I look at these things. I don't know if I take a different look. I actually think definitely a different side. That just shows how much the U.S. wanted to win. Right.

They got excited. And this is great to see the U.S. getting excited. Up to 99, the U.S. fairs had been accused of not carrying it to the right of cup, not putting into the right of cook. But they showed their, that 17 green that they cared that they

want to win that's a big deal to them and I think Europe and everybody in Europe the greatest achievement in the right of a cup of the Europeans that succeed in doing is making the US really care deeply about us and it was shown there in the green you know they got to tell you

they ran in the green glacial not big deal right it really isn't and you know if somebody did something on purpose or somebody who's on the hand the grain it just got himself and that's nice to see. You know, a lot of me to care about the right of cup that they do get excited

and, you know, get ahead of themselves like that. I was on the side of the degree, I assumed the match was over. I think the only person who didn't assume it was over was how old day. But, look, golf is great. You know, would always be like that, would be delighted

that people would be passionate and excited and as if the Europeans can take credit for having pushed the US into that in a corner that they really do care that they're really the cooking up. I think that's an awesome way to look at it, and that's a good point.

You know, there have been moments even, I think, early in Tiger's career where, you know, people really questioned how much he cared about the Rider Cup, whether guys like that thought they should get paid for it, whatnot, and then, like you said, seeing all that passion, people care that much, is really what the event's all about.

Yeah, pre-99 did the talk about paid and all these things. They show the 99 that they cared that they wanted to win. and Europe has to take credit for that. We have, we, if the Europeans in the Rial Cup around

and driven it to where it is now, I've been pretty after recent Rial Cup, I've been in the team rooms with European players and U.S. players. We mix a lot better now than we did back in 99.

Players get on very much so. But I've been in those team rooms after us. And you can see the despondency on players when their team has lost. And you can see the drawing and other players. You can see the young guys

not actually knowing. That's probably the other beauty with the Ryder Cup. You see the young guys on a losing team and you know, you don't realize at this stage

what it all means. And you see some of the more the veterans who have lost enough Ryder Cups that they really care. So it is, you know,

the Riding Cup it's a fantastic experience for everybody. But, you know, at this stage, what you see in the TV

has, you know, It's heavy and the life who drove us to that nature. But thankfully now in this day and age, there's no bitterness between players or anything like that. We actually all get on very well. We played very hard during the tournament. There's pretty conspiracy here in the tournament as they're always did. But, you know, comes on the night, we generally all celebrate together.

Which, again, I mean, that's what the event is all about. So it's, you know, it's great even as American guys to kind of hear, you know, hear about you, hear you speak. about the event like that. Let's move on to, you know, the next Ryder Cup, 2002, and then, you know, you guys kind of go on a tear. You're part of four winning Rider Cup teams from 2002 through 2010. How much different was that 2002 experience like where you guys win?

You win on European soil. How much different was that from 99? It was a huge win for us because of the fact we lost in 99. Right. You know, we lost the on-saleigh of the lead in 1990. I know, like 2002 and then, you know, it's so important for Europe to win and get some momentum back there,

that winning, feelings back in 2000 to home soil, everything goes with it, and then to come back in 2004 and really the US, you know, I really, really backed up, pushed us on so much. I think Europe was highly most weight, if those two, right, but highly mostly. We were, I think, as good as two,

and it's driven a team as you ever come across 2002 after losing in 99 and then again in 2004 the opportunities to win in the US which is very hard

to be in the masses now when you're away from home you know with the home set up and things like that it's based on being away from home but to do in 2004 was really big obviously then we came back in 2006

I think you know history with the show that In 2006, we just had a better team. That was just the way it was. And, you know, it was a very nice to put an eye on and everything was older than it was ultimately we just had a better team that year.

And so starting 2002 was staged for a population in 90 years. So what are your thoughts on kind of the Ryder Cup, the Ryder Cup crowds, you know, the last four or six years? There's always controversy. whether they're over the top or whether it's just kind of a natural evolution of the event. How do you feel about the crowds in the Ryder Cup these days? Well, all I know is my friends watch the Ryder Cup,

a voice of nature of the tournament because of the atmosphere. And we all get excited about it because of the atmosphere. I won't be thinking to play today. It's not like it to every region say, yes, I was here to ask the other than I've heard that for the Cup. And, you know, I heard estimates of 5%. It wasn't basically with five people

out of 60,000 or 14,000. That was, you know, it was very, very little. Right. Yes, ultimately we'd like to avoid anybody's shouts or interfering with players before they hit shot.

I, personally, at the gospel, would never do somebody or anything like that. But the Ryder Cup, it's not like any, it's, you know, it's not like anything's going to, you know, anybody shouting something or a player in between shots,

you know, make any difference. It's not like the way, you know, the lobesat player, you know. And obviously, if you think we used to get removed, although I just don't think it, I don't think we, you know, the atmosphere is very important. And as I said, the neutral is watching it because of the atmosphere. And even the characters are watching it,

and I'm wanting a little bit of maybe, you know, if it wasn't there, we probably call it the President's scope. Yeah, and that's, you know, I'm just thinking about the, Rory Patrick Reed match. And I mean, one thing that made that just unbelievable on top of their golf was the crowd reaction to all their shots was unbelievable. Yeah. We don't want people interfering before shots. Clearly, we don't want people saying, you know, anything that's, you know, down right.

You know, why would you do that? And put these controls. People who were out of the hand were removed, you know, and there wasn't very many. Obviously, they get a lot of focus, you know, but there wasn't very many. So, you know, I'd be all far as we've got to still have strong crowds. That's why people watch it. That's what's exciting about. They're a little bit of conspiracy involved in the tournament.

That's why that's what gets it going. You know, it's not a, it's a tough, strong match. The greatest thing about it, though, and this is what I like about it now, I think has improved. The players, we don't get on very well. So there's no, there's no middle between the players. We stay really hard in the match. It's no doubt about. but as I said on Sunday nights

we're mixing together. The players, we don't carry it on after the events. I think we all mix with each other now so much we play the same event so much that we're familiar with each other. But I think back in the early days, you know, there was genuinely

animosity between teams after that carried on for weeks afterwards or whatever. Now that doesn't happen. Which way do you like it? Do you like it with there's a little bit of animosity or do you like it now that everybody gets a lot? long. You're not really.

I like I think you play hard, you play fair, but you know when it's done you shake hands and there's no animosity and I think

that's the way it is. I think there is conspiracy series always during the event. You know, they set the things up here, they did that,

they had this force this way they cut the bit of rough fear and, you know, all sorts of silly things happened during the week like that. But once the parameters

it's over, as I said, for the last number of the cup, I've been at both teams that have parking together. Yeah, and I think, you know, I think you nailed it even from the fans' perspective. I mean, we really like to see you guys getting into it and really, really wanting to beat the other guy. But even nowadays, you know, you see pictures come out after the Ryder Cup of the teams celebrating together, congratulating each other,

which is really awesome because it's what it's all about. Like you said, I mean, you guys are playing with each other every weekend, so it's not realistic to buy any of these conspiracy theories that every day. but he hates each other or any of that. Yeah. No, they don't. They don't think, you know, I think it was on them last few years ago, but not now. I don't think the players now.

They know each other. They know everybody's personality at this stage. So, you know, nothing is taking out of hand or out of context anymore. And, yeah, it is great to see that, you know, as I said, when it's all finished on Sunday, you shake hands and you get on with us. And as I said, for the last one for years, we've all made a little part team together. So let's get into a little major championship talk. We've got the Open Championship coming up in a few weeks.

You, of course, you know, seven had your breakthrough major win at Karnusti. Trent and I here were not big Sergio Garcia fans at the time. So we were rooting heavily for you, and you've always been a huge fan of ours ever since. So thank you for winning that. But just getting into that, you know, what was kind of your mindset going into that week? Because you've talked a lot about how, you know, there's sort of. certain innocence to whenever you played really well. Was it the same type of vibe for you going into Carnustia that week?

You know, I would have been at that stage one of the leading players not to have won a major. And I think the previous year is where my run really started out. I had three parts to win at Wingfoot. I know most people remember that. It's the one that Monty missed the green in the last and the last and still got in trouble. But I was playing the best cost of my life and I needed a part of the last three holes. and I would have won. It would have won, like, a bogey and two pairs would have got me in a playoff.

So I came well enough there to win the US Open without anybody's help. And that was the first time I think I realized I was good enough to win a major without it being a lucky league. So I was going into Carnoustie. I was going into all the majors at that stage, knowing that my game was good enough, and just trying to make sure that I'd be. prepared right

give myself the best chance of producing my form that week because my form was I think you've been in previous years and you still see this with players you know trying to have a special week

but I was just trying to have a normal week back in Canoasty and sure enough you know it paid off I could see it happening from as I just said wingsfoot was the biggest

the biggest eye open for me that I could be a back-out to winning a major without much having down the lights really that week that wins up so

they're going into Canoosate I got my preparation rice I'd win the previous week in a small tournament in Ireland

I'd take the missed out there and yeah I was in good form not everything right during the tournament but I was great in the weekend

particularly hit the ball very well but made phenomenal or something missed a lot of puts actually

and missed a lot of chances for the first I suppose 17 holes and obviously had the one-shot lead coming down the last and mess it up, which

always left a little bit of a sour in a lot to mess up to every second hole when you have a one-shot lead. That's not how you dream about winning when you're a kid. Obviously, reality is you win any way you can. But, you know, having the chance in the playoff is nice. I play great in the playoff again,

just like they played those first step in being holes, which is a little bit of redemption. I think coming back and winning the following year in Berk there was a lot of redemption for me. You know, my first major was very exciting. No doubt about the first. It's always going to be exciting. My second major was exactly how you dream about winning one of the kids.

It's very, very satisfying. I played well as his favorite. Fun of the club by I get his contact their shot in the 70th first hole. Had a four-shot lead coming down to last. That's the way of the crowds. So, yeah, first one was exciting. The second one was very satisfying, and the third one I do still. As, you know, as American guys, we look a lot of times at the U.S. Open or the Masters

as perhaps being the most meaningful. You know, as an Irish guy, is the Open Championship and being able to win it twice? Is that the most meaningful thing for you in golf? Absolutely. I grew up watching, you know, 12 hours of that when it was on Thursday to Sunday. That was the one we've got COVID-Dutter. it's our it's called the open

for the very reason that it's open to you know to all nations it's distinctly not the British Open and you know we all feel like

a bit of a part it's the home of course the traditional golf you know it's what golf is originally the kind of meant to be like and yeah it would be a miss in your career

if you didn't win it I would understand as well if the US there the same is that the US Open was more important because it was usually his home major. But for everybody outside of the U.S.,

the open championship is the one for sure. So with the open returning this year to Royal Berkdale and next year to Carnusty, are you kind of licking your chops a little bit over there? Yeah, I'm really keen, actually. I like my own game at the moment, so I'm really just focused on getting my preparation right. And, you know, I'm dangerous when that's what I'm.

I think about just getting my head in the game, and it takes at least two weeks. I'm giving me the extra couple of weeks this time. So it takes two, three weeks to get your head in the game. You know, it's not a life week. You can't just turn off the week of a tournament and hope to be mentally focused. You really have to build your way into that. Yeah, and you're coming off, of course, the kind of fluke injury from giving a lesson and all of that. first of all what

what exactly went down with that yeah I've obviously had a difference face my neck this year I've put me out for four months and then when I came back just at the end of the second week just starting to get into it I got hitting the elbow

or giving somebody a lesson because I was very nice to send me on to my hockey elbow pad as a day started with yeah it's broken by Europe there's no doubt that I've been struggling with just getting some rhythm into my game. I don't mean

swinging rhythm, I mean just playing rhythm. I've played 25 rounds of golf since last November. 25 rounds of competitive golf. So I'm missing out in that, but I've got two more tournaments before the open and they're important. You know, I get some competitive rounds under my belt and hopefully, as we said, I should be physically and mentally ready to go.

We've got a, you know, we kind of brought up the masters a little bit earlier. We've got to ask you, you've won or tied for the win in the Part 3 contest three times. We're kind of thinking maybe it's time to hit a couple in the water in the Part 3 contest. I am anti-superstitious. I want to be the first guy to win the Par 3 and the Masters. And I laugh at anybody who can logically come along and try and tell me that there is such a superstitious. it's just bizarre

sorry I know there's such a thing it's too precision but there's no truth that's it but it is obviously there's a placebo effect so people who believe in stuff like that

if there is a placebo effect there's no doubt without it there's lots of things that have been shown to work the more you believe in it's outside your hands you know obviously it reduces to pressure and so I just

logically maybe it's certain my mind this I don't think it's necessarily my account but it's my mindset that these things are just hogwash there hasn't been enough master's par three tournaments to think that you can never win in par three tournament and win the master

it's funny you say that because we were going to ask you if you had any superstitions we're going to just knock that question off the list you're not going to, you don't believe in them. Don't believe in them. I would really fall against them. So I'd be the sort of guy that would, I would, I'd hate to be reliance on superstitions and things like that.

Just it would, yeah, that would, good. But imagine if you had a lucky coin and then you went down in the last round, you lost it midway through the round, you just stop playing. You know, people are,

But as I said, people who do rely on superstitions, they are placebo. You know, they can work in your favour, but they can work awfully against you as well. So I'm just the sort of person. I like to be in control, and I don't like to take any outside factors to take that if I don't wear my lucky underpants, or if I don't wear my lucky coin, or if I don't part my looking care tax, or none of those of any way of the same. It does. I see some people.

It does seem like the people only believe in superstitions when they work and then when they don't work, they just don't pay any attention to those times. Yeah, well, that's okay. If they're good enough to not pay attention when they don't work, that's fine. The people lose a lot of beliefs

to try and reduce the pressure on their own game. You know, believing in divine powers that they're controlling everything. I believe it's about me doing my thing I'm in control randomness of things because it's such a small

sample playing 18 holes at all or playing one count and out and one putting down to put this small sample over time that that's what shows up the randomness I believe it's me I believe it all me

and I understand that these things can vary and that should say if there was a divine power of controlling things I wish he would be busy dealing with other things rather than my dog. That's fair. That's a good point. It's a very logical point.

So we have to ask, you know, Phil Michael. I do have to show that out there that, you know, there's a lot of things in this world that need to sort now, and golf comes right at the very bottom of the lot of list. So I don't think God's really cared about how my dog is going out in the golf course or whether in a push draft set off. I do believe that he's got other things on his mind and other things to work on. So, yeah, I'm not going to be, I'm not going to one coming down in the ageing, looking for divine inspiration.

So we have to ask, you know, Phil Mickelson and Bones recently split up after 25 years. We're huge friends of caddies on this podcast. We've had a few on, and, you know, we'll continue to do so. We're always enthralled with the player caddy relationship. You know, how instrumental is that player caddy relationship? been in a lot of the big moments in your career. Oh, well, like, my county won't we get the open championship in 2007 without a doubt. So when I hit my turd shot into the water on the 18th hole, having a one-shot lead,

it's the only time I think I've ever been on the golf course where I've said that in Paris that I've choked, I felt that have lost, and many ways, and the idea I've never experienced this, I want to give up. and my caddy he started saying to me you know it's not over yet one shot at a time let's play it out let's see what's happening you know all the clichés you could think of

now we'd work on this stuff but he kept telling me and I think he had to take the club off me as well because I was going to hit him with the club and he talked to me about these cliches because I just want to end it but after about 50 yards I started to listen and after another 50 yards

I started to believe him and there's no question about when I actually went to hit my chip shot on the 77 hole, my fifth shot I was hitting it like a teenager showing off. I was like a 15-year-old showing up to the crowd. This really low, hard speed

pitch shot in there from 48 hours in my head of the same, spin, spin, and watch it spin, and the crowd's all taught me hit over the green. I was showing off like a kid I was that much in his own, and that was purely because a caddy had taught me interest.

when a letter caddy would have just, you know, wallowed in our pity because I was wanting to wallow in my pity, which is not my normal reaction, but fair of mind, I had a one-shot lead, and this was my opportunity to live a major tournament, and I was genuinely devastated. He tossed me down, which is a big day, and, you know, I'd seen that with other caddies.

I'd seen it say the right thing at the right time, say a wrong thing sometimes, say anything when they should say. There's a mark to carry. There's a mark to being able to do it. And the least important thing in Cali has to be able to count, you know,

you could teach a monkey to do the aridges. It's the stuff he has to say in between the confidence in when he gives his advice, the confidence he gives it that advice without coming across as, I suppose, how would I put this, without coming across, it's

being, in fact, The minute I see a caddy who thinks he's infallible, that's a complete no-no. Because everybody's human out there, you give your opinion. Caddy's job is to moderate the opinion of the player. Not to, you know, so if I think it's a six-iron and the caddy says a seven-iron, well now I know it's either a hard seven or smooth six. You moderate. That's all you're doing out there.

It's not a sign. I can easily hit my seven-nine as far as my six, and I can easily hit my six as far as my seven. I can cross over all day. So it's just a question of getting on the flame wavelength as your caddy, and then you moderate to pick what is the best shot. And certainly, I wouldn't have a caddy who takes over. I don't like those dead of caddies who are trying to hit the shots for the players. Players are good enough to be pros.

They should know their own shots. It's a question of, as I said, the fine line coaches on those shots. And again, that's why, you know, we're huge fans of, pretty much all caddies. You know, we always try to get them on the show as much we can and kind of highlight how important they are out there because sometimes and oftentimes they don't get enough credit. So we have...

It's interesting out there on tour now. I'm pretty much sure if you went at this stage and the list of the quality of qualifications of the caddies and compare them to the players, I think the caddies would be more qualified educationally. There's a lot of highly educated people choose caddying as a career now whereas i think 30 years ago most caddies sell into it so a lot of good young expros college players and you know bias and choose it as a lifestyle they know what they're

doing the standard is very competitive out there you've got to be you've got to be good and you know get there caddy and you'll be found out pretty soon if you're not so we have one last question it's a little bit of a fun one do you have a go-to curse word after you hit a terrible shot. I hope it's good grief. Or golly dot. Fair. That's smart. I know that's what I said when I was a kid in order to avoid a person.

But I will tell you what I do say. Fecidavik. Okay. What's that? Okay. So second, it sounds like a first, but it's actually what a teacher used to show us as kids in Trach Lane at the school that I went to. and it means you will see son.

So you will see son, as in, you know, son of a father. You will see son, executive it's Gaelic. You're right, it does have... It sounds like a curse. That's what I was going to say. It has the charm of sounding like a curse word but not being one. Yeah, what that's... I don't think you should curse.

I don't think you should curse. That's the way it is. You know, we're out there, we're on TV, and there's plenty of good words you can use that are much better than curses. I like that. It's very, very commendable, very respectable. All right, Trent, you have anything else? No, I think that's all we got for Padraig. All right, Padraig, we really appreciate you taking some time.

We know you're a busy guy and we're happy. Yeah, we're happy, you're healthy and we'll be rooting for you the rest of the way. Brought to you by the 4Play store on Barstoolsports.com slash 4. We got all kinds of good stuff in there. Yep. I'm looking at towels. I'm looking at four of the boys shirts, F-O-R-E. We got polos, we got the American guys, which we say every time.

Most underrated shirt, but, I mean, we, I mean, it's just such a good shirt. It is. You don't like that shirt. You're an idiot. One of our guys from downstairs came upstairs yesterday and was wearing it, and I was like, God damn it. That's a great shirt. Yeah, also Pat McAfee wears it every down on then. And I'm just like, that's such a good shirt.

And it's essentially timeless because those guys are going to be dominating American team events for decades. That's true. And we've also got a couple of tank tops in there. So it's the summer months now. So you want to get out there to show off the guns a little bit at the beach. Buy yourself a four-play tank top. Yeah, a huge fan again of the towels. Those have been the number one bestseller.

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Patrick Harrington was obviously phenomenal. Mm-hmm. We have a couple notes. We are no longer going to swear on the golf course. Nope. Because Patrick said not to. Yep. Padrick said not to.

So we're not going to do it. We're also never going to call it the British Open anymore, which I used to love to do to kind of stick it to Europe a little bit. Same. But now, I mean, Padrake, I almost cried as he talked about how much the Open championship. He said it with a little sass too. Little sass like it's the Open. Fuck people that call it the British Open, which was us.

I don't think he knew it was us, but that was us. He did. So we're not calling it the British Open anymore. It's just the Open Championship. We saw the Claret Jug in the office a couple weeks ago, no big deal. Very nice. You get that by winning the Open Championship. Yep, that's what we're going to call it.

Yep. No more superstitions for me at least. I'm not doing those anymore. Definitely not a superstitious person anymore. That was by far my favorite part of the interview. Is Padrig just completely just nope. I'm just nope. I'm not into that.

I don't like it. I depend on myself. If I do something wrong, it's my fault. If I do something right, I did it, it's that, it's that, it's that. I love that. Yeah, also going deeper basically and being like God doesn't give a fuck about your round of golf. Yep. Or which way your coins turned in your pocket, buddy.

And I was like, that's true. It's true. God damn it. super true. And it's one thing coming from an average Joe like us if we were to say something like that, but it's Patrick Harrington. He's got three majors. I'm a fit, I'm pretty convinced now that superstitious people are the dumbest people in the world. Totally. Yeah. No doubt about it. So those are our notes from the interview. Just phenomenal stuff. We loved, of course, how we talked about the importance of his caddy, especially coming down the 72nd hole at Carnusti after he said he's

basically ready to walk off the golf course. Caddy settled him down. He got up and down from, uh, with a little wedge to actually save double. gets himself into a playoff and wins. Huge caddy guys here, if anybody's ever thinks of any caddies out there. Big personality caddies, caddies that got interesting stuff to say. We'll try to get them on the podcast, let us know.

On to From the Gallery, if you've got stuff, email us for Play at Barstool Sports.com. We got a couple this week, Tram. Yep, let me start here. It's drunk missing tea time. This is from Aubrey. Got hammered last night and still figured I'd be able to make my tea time this morning, set like 10 alarms just to make sure I'd get up.

but obviously it didn't work. Should my boys be pissed at me, especially since it's Saturday, and what should my punishment be? You can't miss a T-Tam. Can't miss T-T. Just can't do it, and I've done it. I got it with Captain Kans?

Captain Kahn's it to me. Oh, that's right. No, I did it as a younger chap back in college, and I got invited to play Myopia Hunt Club up in the North Shore Mass, which is... They got an audible reaction from Sunshine. It is, you know, it's like a top 30 track.

often under many people's belief even higher than that in the United States of America. It's a phenomenal course. One of my really good friends who played on the Harvard Golf team grew up a member there. So I got the invite to play with him and his dad on a Sunday morning while we were in college. Didn't make it. Wasn't even close. Slept right through. I was unbelievably hung over and not even hung over.

Just not awake yet. Not even conscious. It's like your Vegas flight. Yep. Never been invited back to that tea time. That's shit. Not even close. No, they didn't even give me a look.

they invite everybody else like out of spite basically and I deserve it you cannot miss a buck and tea time cap'n kans did it to me really like a week after i met the kid where uh trent and i actually when he was in town before you lived here oh yeah that night out Friday oh i had to make a i had to make a 10 a.m. flight ala gubernia and we i got home at 4 a m it was awful captain cons of zero blog 30 fame he pulled an outrageous move which was where he woke up was tweeting and that's when his alarm on office when he woke up, then he fell back asleep. So when I arrived at his apartment in an Uber to pick him up on my way to the course, no answer, no show.

I had never been to his place before, so I didn't know where his apartment was. I couldn't go knock on his door and throw rocks in the window. I bet you're furious. Like I was in a romantic comedy. Nothing. I was furious. Uber cost me like $110 and $110 to get all the out of the course. I waited at Captain Kahn's place for like 20 minutes.

I love it. He ended up showing up on like the eighth hole, took his own Uber out there. Okay. So that's an interesting hypothetical. Do we let that person play? Yeah, I let him play, but he never gets an invite ever again. And now it's to the point where he texts other guys in the office when I invite them to play, being like, yeah, I didn't get the look because Rigsie's still mad at me from that thing. And it's true.

That's good. I like that world where we live in where you make a decision. If you're not there, you're out. You're just out. So, I mean, I think he's creeping back up to the number one contender list in terms of getting another golf look. Okay. But especially because Frankie went downhill fast today with his defense of Dave and GoPred's Go crowd. Yeah, that's true.

And Frankie was one of my big guys for my golf invites. I will see. I will say, you don't miss a tea time. I agree with you. You just got to think in your head, I'm going to drink when I get there. Yeah. I'm going to drink when I get there. True.

I'm a big Bloody Mary right before the first tea guy. So you're like, get a bloody Mary and you're fine. You just got to get there. Agreed. And the problem with missing a golf tea time is that there's no like recoverable thing for the rest of the crew. Playing as a three some sucks. Yeah. Especially when you're all jacked up all week.

You've been talking about the match you're going to have two on two. It's going to be really fun. People don't have enough time to replace you. You just fuck over everybody. Yeah. And it sucks. It does. Next one, Patrick says, thoughts on wearing gym shorts with a golf bowl over to play a nine whole round.

Just trying to quick, uh, excuse me, trying to catch a quick round after work and it's hot as balls. Uh, what do you think about this trip? I, it's going to be a bad answer, but it just depends on where you're playing. Totally depend. Yeah. I mean, that's it. Yeah. And we're kind of, we're reaching that, that, uh, age of golf now where it's a lot.

more casual and there are definitely places where you can get away with this. Yeah, yeah. You know, if it's just a pretty relaxed public track and they're not going to say anything or they don't care, totally go for it. I mean, those guys, when they go on that spring break trip to Baker's Bay, that place is nice that could possibly be in the Bahamas on the water. It's very luxurious, but that course has a, specifically has a wear whatever the fuck policy.

That's just, that's how golfs evolved. Do you think those four could wear whatever they fuck they want anywhere, though? I mean, I think you, yeah. No, not anywhere, but like. Anywhere is too broad. A good amount of places, yes, but it would still be frowned upon. Definitely. Like, don't be that asshole that has to be, like, you know, trying to,

I can wear whatever I won where it's 2017. Don't be that guy. Like, if you're at a certain place, you got to, you know, you got to wear the right attire. But there's definitely a place you can get away with this, especially you have to work. If it's like 6 o'clock, you're playing a quick nine holes, you hop out there. Sometimes you hop out there, even shoeless, which Trent has done. I did do that. Where was that?

Oh, TPC Potomac. Yeah, and this guy didn't even need the collar shirt. He's like collared. If I wear a polo with gym shorts. Buddy, if you're gym shorts, you're not fooling anybody with the polo. No. You're fucking gym short. Yeah, just go the whole way.

Don't try to, like, go halfway. Right. And again, so it totally depends on the place. I don't have a problem with it if you're at the right spot. Anyways, on to this week on tour, we've got the John Deere Classic. Yes. Very near and dear to Trenton. It is.

It's the one, it's right by me. It's a little place called Silvis, Illinois. Okay. I went there a couple years ago when Jen Renner was, Jim Renner was selling tour with the original people's golfer. And it was a blast. It's awesome. It's, what is it, TPC Deer Run. Yep.

Which is, I've played a couple of times. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Me and my buddies make the drive up there every once in a while. Well, not anymore because I don't live there. Right.

But, uh, different drive now. Way different drive for you. It's a much different drive. Yeah. Usually it's about an hour 15. Now it's probably like, uh, okay. So, but it's definitely different.

This is, uh, yeah, this is the one where Speeth got his first win. Everyone was talking about the bunker shot at Travelers. It was very similar to the one of John Deer. Yeah. When he hold out, he kind of, he actually kind of thinned that one that was going a little past the hole. Yes. one hops into the cup and he ends up winning in a playoff to get his first win. Right.

And then this is the one, Steve Stricker won three years running a couple years ago. He won it like a billion times. Zach Johnson won it. It was great when Zach won it. He's like, I mean, that was just. Come on. Zach Johnson won the John Deere Classic? That was like winning a Super Bowl in your hometown for you.

It's true. It's 100% true. That's nice. I like this tournament a lot. I go into it was so much fun. The course is great. The people are great. Obviously, it's Midwest.

Of course. Midwest. It was so nice to be in Chicago this weekend. Just like seeing nice people everywhere. Yeah. interacting with nice human beings. Well, I don't know if I said it in last week when I was talking about when I was in Iowa, the last podcast. First of all, wide open spaces.

You can see as far as you want. There's none of that in New York. And everybody's just way nicer. I know that's cliche and stereotypical, but it's true. Everyone in New York is, they're not mean. They're just indifferent and they just walk and whatever. They don't pay attention. Everyone back home was pretty nice.

Yeah, I know New Yorker's like, oh, I wouldn't like that. Well, fuck you. You're mean. Yeah, I laugh because there's a bagel shop that I go to. And when I go in there, the lady, when I'm done order and just says, swipe the card. She doesn't say, please, thank you. She just swipe the card. And I'm like, Jesus Christ.

It's horrible. I'll swipe the card immediately. Yeah, I will. Please don't. I will. Oh, no, it's an insert one. I got to do that. I got to do that.

Right. That's like real awkward. She's just looking at me, like swipe the fucking card. You mean, Western idiot. So anyways, John Deereeer, classic week. We're just a week out from the Open championship. Yeah, and speed's not playing this year. Unfortunately, he's going to get ready for the open, but that happens.

He took a little heat for that, but that's everything. Well, he took a heat for last year, too, but it was because of the Olympics. Right. that tournament for a guy like Spief because normally he would be like, okay, I'll just skip that tournament. It's no big deal. But then when you win it, you got to come back and defend it. Yeah, because people are like, well, without this tournament, you wouldn't, you know, you would never got to a lot. Exactly. And then he won it again, I believe, right? A couple years ago. I think so, yes. And then so it's like it's that thing where you're going to take heat from some of the

Midwesterners if you skip it, but you want to get ready for the open. So I understand why he's skipping it. Yeah, I get it. I mean, it's just kind of BS outrage when people talk about that and get upset with Spieth about that. Who really cares? Yeah, he did win at 12. 2015 and 2013. So anyways, it's a last little tune-up for the Open Championship. A lot of guys head over there already. Love the Open championship. It's different.

We always, that's the big reason that we want chaos at the U.S. Open is because it makes it different from all the other weeks. We love the British Open. It's Links. I'm sorry, the Open Championship. Oh, wow. Well, it's going to take a little bit to iron that out of my lingo. The Open Championship, Link's golf, Royal Burkdale. It's good stuff.

I'm pretty pumped. You got anything else, Trent? No, I'm excited about it, too. I think the open is sneaky might be my favorite major. Yeah, it's so different. Every shot's different. There is also something to be said for people who watch at stateside where you have to get up at an ungodly hour,

but then you're up and drinking coffee at like 4 a.m. Yeah, this is great. Yeah, you're all fired up for it. And it's nice on the weekend when you wake up from whatever you do in the night before, and the guys are just like teeing off, right, when you wake up. Or you just stay up the whole time. Yeah, or you try to pull that hero move where you stay up, and then you're like, it just doesn't work.

It doesn't work. You're up for like a week straight. You're up for 45 minutes and then it's over. You're like this, it's that type of deal where at like midnight, everybody's like, we're staying up. We're staying up for the open. We're going to watch them all the off. It's going to be awesome. In Tigers Day, we'd be like Tigers cheating off at 115.

Yes. We could do that. Yes. You stay up for like two shots and you wake up like on the couch. And bodies just keep falling, falling, fall, and you're like, this was so dumb. So it's open championship week next week. We got one week to go. Very exciting stuff.

Right on the precipice. And yeah, that's all I got. Hit it hard.