Fore Play - 2017 Presidents Cup Week w/ Charley Hoffman, Kevin Chappell, and Kevin Kisner

Episode Date: September 26, 2017

It's Presidents Cup week in NYC and the guys sit down with Charley Hoffman, Kevin Chappell and recurring guest Kevin Kisner. We talk behind the scenes with the US team, including assistant captain Tiger Woods. We also detail who talks the most trash, what to expect from the course, and ask the guys what the dumbest rules in golf are. Riggs and Trent also breakdown the FedEx Cup finish at East Lake!You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Foreplay. Foreplay. Foreplay, presented by Barstool Sports. What's up, Trent, Daddy? Not much. I'm back in the office.

I had myself a long weekend, which we're going to get into. But it feels good to be back in the old New York City, I guess. It's Riggs and Trent. As always, we have a fantastic show for you. The PGA Tour season has wrapped up with the FedEx Cup, the Tour Championship. We're going to cover all that. We also got President's Cup coming up this week on the show. We have two President Cuppers.

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I was getting to go home, so I was going to eat Casey's breakfast pizza. I was going to do a tailgate show in front of my own people on Melrose Avenue, which if you're not familiar with Iowa City, Melrose Avenue runs right in front of Kinnick Stadium. That's where everybody tailgates. That's where everybody goes. I haven't been there since last season. So I was excited to go back and we were going to put on a show the Barstall. to a tailgate show with me, Pat McAfee and Dave Portnoy.

We're going to have a great time. And what was the third one that I was going to say? I completely lost my train of thought. You know, I really don't know. The game itself. I was going to win the football game itself. I thought I was going to win. Well, Dave shed all over Casey's breakfast pizza and caused an absolute stir.

He's on the local news and shit. He's on the local news. He's getting, I mean, he's in some trouble if he ever goes back to Iowa. I'm not sure he's allowed back in. The tailgate show had no sound, which I'm sure everyone is aware of. It was a soundless show, which is built around three people talking about football. Which is a real shame because the show was awesome. The atmosphere was insane.

I was at Louisville. The atmosphere was insane. But Iowa City and Iowans and those college kids at the University of Iowa, they just do things differently. We had people chanting Casey's Pizza at Dave. Everybody was drinking. It was electric. But unfortunately, there was no sound on the show. And then Iowa lost on a last second play against Penn State.

So while it was great to be back in Iowa because I always loved going there, I got to see my family. All three of those things, I went over three in terms of being a good thing. The results were not there. The potential was high, and the results just, they weren't there. And again, it's great to be back. I don't get to go back as often as I'd probably like, but, yeah, I mean, the Casey's breakfast thing is really starting to become a thing. I knew it would be.

If you watch the beginning of the pizza review, Dave says, oh, Trent just snuck into this pizza review. I did that for a reason, because it's a big deal out there. And if you start shitting on Casey's pizza, you are going to be no friend of the people to live out there. Were you, like, worried for Dave's safety? I wasn't worried for Dave's safety. Maybe once we got to the tailgate show, I was a little worried.

because there's a point where people are chucking beers at the stage. People are furious. Yes. But I wasn't worried for his safety. I just wanted him to understand what he was getting himself into before he did what I knew he was going to do. Because as Dave always says, he's a purest. He wants the fastball. He wants the cheese pizza.

The breakfast pizza is bacon and it's what he would probably call a gimmick pizza. Right. But I needed him to know that if you shit on this pizza, we are soon in a couple hours from that time going to be in front of hundreds of Iowans who are drunk and I need you to be prepared for that. And he wasn't. Okay. No, that's fair. That's fair.

Like, no, I'm like, I'm here to help you. Help me help you. Yeah, he just thought I snuck into the review because I like, I mean, I did. I like the pizza. Like you're looking for attention issue. Like, you just wanted to eat half of his pizza. No. And we've, him and I had an interesting week last week with a few things that happened around the office,

potential Barstool Civil War. But he's still my boss. I still want to look out for him. And he's still, you know, shit the bed. Dave, you blew it. That's what the local radio, the local guy said. All right. So, Trent's back.

That was his glorious return to Iowa. I got out for a quick 18 holes this past weekend. I played Trump Ferry Point. Main reason I want to bring it up. It is a public track. Anybody can play it's technically a muni. I was stunned by the golf course. The golf course is a fucking fantastic golf course.

Let me stop you right there. Is this the best summer of your life in terms of golfing? In terms of where you're going to play? Oh, by far. Not even close. It's honestly not even close. I tell people this all the time. If you just don't start a golf podcast, You're an idiot.

I mean, it's been the greatest thing ever. I get invites everywhere. I meet all these cool people. But this one was different. This was not an invite. This was myself and my buddy. We went out to Trump, very point. We just paid the Greens fee.

It was for New York residents like 175. Okay. On a Saturday morning. We played it like 920. It was spectacular. The course was incredible. There's really great views on top of that. I thought from a golf course design standpoint, it was an incredible.

incredible test. It's a Jack Nicholas course. It's only, what, three or four years old. So I was very impressed with the course. I thought it was incredibly worth it. I do always like to talk whenever you get to play public tracks about it because a lot of our listeners, you know, they want to know, is it worth it for me to go out there? Should I shell out the money? You should. It was very worth it. My buddy and I walked. We played as just a twosome. The other two guys didn't show up. We didn't even really wait on a single shot. We played in a little over four hours, just walking again as a two-sum on Saturday morning at 920. So we were very impressed.

It was a tough course. It was windy, which I liked. It was more windy than I got in fucking Scotland when I was there for four days and four nights. But it was good. The funny one of the, I do have to comment on that I posted the picture of myself next to the Trump plaque from when he got a whole and one in the inaugural round in 2013. Yeah. Very funny picture. Very funny plaque in general.

A lot of Kim Jong-un references, you know, where people are like, oh, it's totally made up, whatever. That's exactly what I was going to say. So I'm glad people got to it. Like 95% of the people dropped the same thing. My DMs were full of fucking, oh, is that Kim John, blah, blah, blah, especially I'm the politics guy and golf guys, so everything kind of collided.

And Trump had himself a weekend. Had himself a big weekend. So there was all kinds of stuff going on with that. I do, this is the one thing I fucking hate about internet golf commenters. Is so he's, the plaque says he got a 149 yard hole, hole in one with an eight iron. And everyone's like, oh, what a pussy. You hit an eight iron, blah, blah, blah.

first of all the guy's like 70 something years old second of all it could be into the wind it could be anything you'd be playing a little knockdown shot that is like the golf hardos drive me insane that stuff who cares that was like stupid who cares that was like 50% of the comments we're like oh kippa if you hit an eight iron from that far that's i hate that it's what you're saying it goes so much wider than that you post your uh video of your swing i post a video of my swing doesn't matter if we had the most perfect swings in the world if trump used the perfect club on that hole you would still get the same amount of comments of people saying that stuff that that that infuriates me i don't know why i can block most of it out yeah even i don't even care about the political comments no it's the golf hard oh i could hit a pitching wedge that far what a loser the good part of the fucking idiots shut up the good part of starting a golf podcast is we get to play awesome courses all the time the bad side is you have to deal with these fucking idiots who think they have the answer to everything it is the worst and i love every time i post my sway i get 97 comments about from each person

about like this critique that could yeah i'm not that good at golf i'm not of the peter you J. Thor. I stink. I'm a terrible golfer. I know my swing sucks, but when you post yours, you have a pretty good swing. Michael Breed told you had good action. He had a good swing and people are still like, doesn't matter. And I'll get a lot of my, some of my favorites are like, why do you do that? Why don't you do this? Well, because I don't know how to make my body do that. Otherwise, I'd fucking do it. I would just make it do what Tiger Woods body did. It's incredible. So anyways, so I got out there. It was great. Trump Ferry Point. Highly recommend. You know, you got the full experience because, like, some of the greens, they're, like, ground under repair because people sneak out and, like, burn the greens because of all the political tension and all that. So you get the full experience. You go out there.

It's really lovely. We also, we have on this week's show before we get to President's Cup coverage. We have Charlie Hoffman and Kevin Chappell. We're going to do a little behind the curtain. This is like we're going to mess with the timeline here. So we have not at this point in time, while Riggs and are talking right now, we have not done the interview yet. which is a very nerve-wracking feeling because typically, well, we usually are kind of a last-minute operation. We are.

We actually have a lot of, we usually want to try to get guys after the tournament. So when you put out a podcast on Tuesday and the tournament's always in Sunday night, you have basically one day to find somebody. We do a real rag-tag job. We DM people. We look up guys that follow the Barstomain accounts or the 4-Play accounts and we shoot them DMs or we email an agent or we try all kinds of rag-tag shit. It's kind of fun. It's kind of stressful, but usually we have somebody before we actually do the podcast. This week we don't.

We have President's Cup starts Thursday morning. We believe we have an interview with these two guys at the same time. Tuesday morning, so the podcast will be coming out when you listen to this. It came out a couple hours later than it usually does. That's the plan. We'll see what happens. We just don't really know what to expect. No, we have no idea, but it's fine.

I like the rag tag operation. I don't like being too. When you start to know what you're going to do, then you start to lose it. I think we're doing this the right way. We're just kind of buzzing around, floating around the ocean out here, hoping to run into some interviews. We get to go to 30 Rock. I haven't been to 30 Rock before. True.

That's going to be real interesting. So I believe part of my take guys are going to be there, too. So I might have a whole little, uh, no way. A whole little meat and greet. See, I didn't even know that. It's a very raggedy. A weird takeover from the Barstow gang. Uh, tour championship, uh, the FedEx Cup came to a conclusion.

The 2016 and 2017 PGA tour season is over. It's over. Over. Sad. Uh, Zander Shafley. with the win out of fucking nowhere. Yeah, basically. Out of absolutely nowhere.

Yes, he had a great year, you know, get into the top 30 without having a phenomenal year. One twice, 23 years old. Finished 26 on the web.com tour last year pre-playoffs. I saw that he made 149K last year. Yesterday alone, if you include all of his bonuses from the FedEx Cup, he made like 3.5 plus million. That's good work if you can get it. Pretty good, you know, what a difference a year makes, include all those kinds of memes or whatever the fuck you want to. Awesome stuff.

Seems like a really, really good kid. Just kind of, you know, hashtag good for golf. Put them into the, into the mix with all the young guns that are fearless and are unafraid to win all the big tournaments. Just another guy to throw into the mix, Trent Daddy. Yeah, and Zander, you can't hate that name. Like that's a standout. He's got a fire name. The only problem is that nobody really like, you don't look at it and know how to say it.

Well, what I was going to say, he needs to become good enough where you can just know him as Xander because his last name is a bit of a chore as well. Yeah, and I heard some announcers doing Shafali at the end instead of Shafley, Shafali, then it feels like you're Frenchifying it. See, that's why I was afraid to even, I'm afraid to say the last name. I'm going to go with Zander. I want this guy to do great so he can just be, he can be a first name guy. Yeah, he needs to just be Zander. Zander's in the competition again. Zander's in the mix.

Zander's this. He's that. He's just Zander. He's that. I think when you win the Tour Championship at 20. you can be Zander. I agree with that. And there's no other Zander.

Nobody's going to, there's going to be no Zander golfer ever again, so he can just be Zander. No mix up whatsoever. We had kind of an interesting dynamic down the stretch. Usually, for whatever reason, for the last, however many was, it been seven, eight, nine FedEx Cups in a row. Whoever's won the Tour Championship has won the FedEx Cup.

This time that wasn't the case, and it kind of became, I mean, with the exception of JT down the stretch, it kind of felt like it was going to be a two-winner deal where one guy wins the tour championship, one guy wins the FedEx Cup. It felt for a while maybe Kiz was going to win the tour championship, and then that would have maybe given the FedEx Cup to like speed. So it was kind of a weird,

and somebody made a good point on Twitter where all of this drama that they're kind of discussing and like presenting to you on the broadcast loses a lot of its gusto. when you know the players aren't feeling that drama because they don't know what the fuck's going on. They're just trying to win the dirt. It's a problem.

It's honestly a problem. Like when there's this, you shouldn't have to have this much discussion about what's going on because it gets, it muddies the water's too much. Even Johnny Miller kept saying it. Johnny Miller kept being like,

I'll be honest. Every fucking two seconds, we're cutting over to the board here. The guy's got the marker out. Touchscreen. It's like, okay. When I have to picture like nerds behind the scenes, like drawing on boards and like doing math and shit,

that's not good for anybody. No. I don't know how to symbol, I don't have the answer, but what happened yesterday is not what you want going forward. I don't know. They have to simplify it somehow because it's, I don't, I never agree with Johnny Miller, but it's true. Like, if you don't know what's going on, it takes away a lot of the atmosphere and the drama that's happening. I would agree.

When Johnny Miller's brain is like, I can't, I can't figure out what we're doing here down the stretch. That's not a great sign. Because he'd be the first to be like, I know what's going on. These guys totally know what's happening. You guys, the viewers at home might not, but we know what's happening. And when he's just throwing. He would know exactly how to put it all into context of his own achievements and all that. He couldn't even figure that out.

He couldn't figure out who's going to fucking win. There was a lot going on. So, again, I thought that was blatantly, you know, blatantly too much going on. Yeah. Which is tough because you want to root. I mean, it's like the guy just won a huge tournament, huge tournament. But it was almost, it was like, okay, so this other guy wins 10 million. This guy won, whatever he won, 1.8 or something, whatever hell he won for this tournament.

This other guy wins 10 million. What the fuck's going on? It was weird. At the end of the day, what happens, and it's exactly what you're saying, one overshad is the other. And that's what you don't want. You want Justin Thomas wins it all and wins it all, and we're all happy for Justin. Or Zander gets a win.

Which they've gotten away with. Yes. But clearly this was. It's not going to happen every year. You try to sneak away again, you fuckers. So you've got the narrative of like, oh, Zander's a rookie. He's got two wins. He wins.

He wins 3.5 million. But then you've got, obviously they want to talk about Justin Thomas and the year he had and him winning 10 million. They would much prefer to talk about Justin Thomas. it just sucks that you have to pick one or the other. Yeah, so I don't know what you do. I don't know, you know, I don't know if you do everyone that makes the tour championship, whoever wins just wins, then that kind of seems to take a lot of the importance of, you know, finishing high the rest of the time out there, out of it.

So I don't know, I saw people float and they should do match play, but a lot of other people saying they'll never do that because the FedEx Cup doesn't want just two people playing on Sunday for the grand finale. They want a lot more stars, even though I think that'd be sweet. So, I don't know. It wasn't perfect. Everyone knows it's not perfect, but we still have to talk about the fact that it was clearly like, all right. There are.

What is the deal here? What it comes down to is there are smarter people that can figure this out than you and I, but we are, it's our job to look at it and say, that's not how it should be. Right. Without providing any answers. Most viewers are dumb like us. They're just in the same boat. I want to flick on golf for a couple hours. I want to know, I want you to keep it simple.

Like if this guy posts a lower score than those guys, he wins all this fucking, all this shit you're talking about. Well, and another thing, they're going up against football right now. So if somebody flips over to golf and they're like, who is, they just want to know who's winning. And they cut to the calculator and the fucking the spreadsheets. Like, okay. It's like, this guy's going to win, but this guy's going to win. And people are like, I'm going back to the Eagles. I can see the Eagles kick this 61-yard field goal.

They just win. I just, I know that that's the thing. Yeah. So they'll work that out, but it's just, it was a weird day. But congratulations to Xandering. Definitely congratulations to Justin Thomas on a hell of a year. Yeah. Speaking of the football thing, this is also an epitome of the elephant in the roland.

room that they are addressing in terms of scheduling where our guy Nate Dogg from uh he likes to be called Eric from BarstoolSports.com said this morning he was like yeah so I feel like everything that happened yesterday and golf should have just happened like three weeks ago and I was like this is correct Nate they move actually just moved a major way up they're trying they're going to move the whole schedule up and he's right I mean if this happens the week before the NFL starts I think it gets a lot more love um it's it's tough to have after all of the major championships are over, you're going to have this other huge gigantic event

where guys are playing for the year-long prize and tens of millions of dollars, but there's an NFL football on at the same time. Yeah. Shout out to Eric for that astute observation. He's right. It's just, that's a very Nate thing. Be like, I think this should happen three weeks earlier.

Yeah. Right. I was like, okay. Thank you, Nate. But, I mean, he wasn't wrong. No. Nate's, Nate will tell you he has never been wrong. No, never.

He made a claim today that he's never been wrong on Twitter. Yeah. KFC had the Coltakes guy in for KFC radio. that show out. And Kevin was like, come into the studio if you want to like roast yourself in front of the cold takes guy. And Nate's like, I can't do that. I've never been wrong on Twitter. So we're like, all right, buddy. So again, he was right again. Nailed it. Way to go, Nate dog. President's Cup week. Let's do this. Speaking of football first, since we were just talking about, you know, how golf is kind of in competition with football. Let's talk about some draft

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We got a team event. They only happen once a year, so you got to be excited. New York City, we're going to be out there. You know, this President's Cup has kind of a weird feeling to it. Tell me why. Well, we've won a billion in a row, and we are massive favorites. this year. Yeah.

So it's, and we're on home soil and it's in New York City. Like, it almost feels like it's like an, and one of those

exhibitions they put on, it almost feels like one of those college football teams where they pay some schmuck school to come in. They pay them like millions of dollars. But yeah, come in,

and we'll just beat the shit out of you in front of a huge crowd. It'd be like a big celebration of how great we are. Yeah, that's almost what I was going to say is, or when they bring a European soccer team

over and they play an MLS squad in an exhibition game. And it's just like, all right, well, it's all pageant, and it's like cool to see like wow look at how great the players are and they just get that's like that's what it feels like they're putting on but i don't i don't think it's gonna be that i mean we could this could very much be one of those things where we look back on this podcast and we're like man we sounded like assholes because maybe it isn't but it's certainly no i'm not saying that it's going to be that way i'm saying that's how it's being built up most everyone's like this is going to be a fucking shit kicking we never lose the president's got we haven't lost it in forever and And on top of that, our team is way better than their team.

We're huge favorites. This is just all for like pageantry and we can put on our red, white, and blue and have a good time. Yeah. I don't think it's going to be like that. I think it's going to be a lot closer. Okay. That's what I like to hear then. People are going to hear, oh, it's going to be a blowout, and then maybe more people won't watch it.

But I hope it's close. But our team is frigging stacked. Our team is very stacked. I don't think, I guess. So when you look down the roster, it is, like, yes, our team is phenomenal. phenomenal, but their team, I mean, they've got Hadecki, they've got Jason Day, they've got Adam Scott, they've got Louis Eustason, like, these are freaking major championship winners, with the exception Hadecki, who everyone knows he's going to win him eventually.

Charles Sporz, I mean, these guys, this is, it's when you get down to the bottom, okay, and now I'm scrolling down to the bottom. Right. You start to get to some of the guys. I mean, Hadwin, like, he kind of disappeared after he won what he went to the Valspar earlier in the year. See who Kim So, you know, yeah, he's kind of also like

Fallen off the Map since winning the players But again, he's won of players Like these guys have won this year I don't know, I, yes, our team is sick Our team is unbelievably sick We got the young stars, we're on home soil We are the favorites, we should be the favorites But I could see it being closer

Than people feel like it's going to be Okay, I mean, I think that's probably what people are rooting for But you just never know I mean, I think it'll be I think it'll be much closer than everybody's saying but Justin Johnson, Johnson, Jordan Spee, Justin Thomas, Ricky Fallow, Daniel Berger, Brooks Keppka. All those guys are huge names.

Oh, our guy, Kevin Kisner, of course. Shout out to that guy. Kiz was fun to watch yesterday. I really thought he was going to pull it out. He was like right when he made the turn there, he had one stroke lead, and man, he hit one in the drink. Yep.

On, I guess it's 15. Now they've swapped the nines. I always get my brain, always gets confused because they swapped them. But, but, shout out to Kis. He had an awesome year. Uh, President's Cup starred this week, jacked up to follow them. We're going to be out there.

Our plan as of now is to go out there Friday and Saturday. Yep. Um, we're going to be buzzing. It's going to be, I've never been to a team event. Um, I have not either. So, uh, my understanding is that it is a little, um, congested with the exception of Sunday because there's only whatever, four matches going on at a time. Yeah.

And so there's like four holes where you can follow people as opposed to when you go to a PGA tour event and there's people everywhere. So that's going to be tricky. Also, it might make it a lot more fun. Might just be huge galleries of, you know, patriotic folk walking around. I think that's the way it'll be. Obviously, it'll be tougher to get a good spot. But when you just, this is the thing about an event like this where it's country,

everybody's going to be jazzed up. Yeah, it's going to be packed. It's going to be crowded. But it's going to be such a different vibe than an 18 hole, you know, stroke play thing. Everybody's going to be USA to the max. And that I think it's going to make it way more fun. What are you expecting from the international contingent family? You think there's going to be some fucking, I don't know, like some Asian fans out there?

You think there's going to be South African fans, Australian fans? What do you expect? I mean, this is New York City. People say this is, you know, I don't know if they call it the melting pot. They call America the melting pot. But New York is a very diverse place. But I don't know if there will be enough of any sort of international fan base. That's going to make a difference up against the American squad.

Like there might be people out there who are rooting for the international team, but they're going to be, you're not even able to see them because there's going to be so many Americans. Yeah, I don't know. I think, well, the thing is the coverage, like, we'll find the three groups of people, you know, that are whatever, international. Yeah, like, OLA and shit. And, yeah, whatever. I think that's the European thing where they might do it anyways. Oh, yeah, that's true.

This international thing. I don't really know. I have no idea to expect. We've never been. Everyone loves to shit all over the President's Cup basically and be like, ooh, it's nowhere near the Rider Cup, which is true. I still think it's going to be, I think it's going to be a blast. I'm pretty jacked up to get out there. We've got Chapel and Hoffman on.

this week. So in theory, since we haven't interviewed them yet, they're going to have a lot more to talk about. We're going to get into the course. We're going to get into nerves, expectations, playing in team events, that whole hoopla. We also got to talk about our guy, Tiger. I was just going to bring that up. He is a captain assistant, so it's going to be one of those. You're going to have to see pictures of Tiger walking around, and that's really going to be it. With like an earpiece in. Yeah. He's probably going to have the go-tee going. He's going to be go-teeed up. I think this is the type of deal where he does the goatee for sure. He posted a very long blog, Tiger getting into the golf blog game. I was telling people that he's actually been in the blog game for a long time. Even back, like when he was playing well, he used to blog quite frequently about, you know,

his swing and his stuff. A couple things from his blog, just kind of going off the top of my head here. He did, you know, he kind of talked about like, okay, when will I be back? And he was like, well, I'm not sure because I definitely don't know what swing I'm going to use yet. That is not a good sign when his body is, you know, train wreck, he can't walk, can't get out of bed, whatever. And then he's like, yeah, I don't even know what swing I'm going to use. Feels like he's not back.

No. And you know what? I'm going to peek a little more behind the curtain here. We had gotten a DM earlier in the day. I don't want to give rumors too much shine here. But he, this guy, I don't even remember who it was, DM'd Riggs and I and was like, hey, I want to tip you off, Tiger is going to retire from the PJ tour. He's done playing golf.

He's like, big announcement coming today. He was like, you guys have a bigger platform than we do. So if you want this, feel free to run with it. That scares a shit to me. It doesn't matter if that person has 20,000 followers or two followers. I'm still like, fuck. And they have like two. And they do have like two.

Like this is it. This is what's going to happen. I don't want to run with it because I'm scared that it's true. And then like an hour later he came out and was like, I'm definitely not done. I don't know what swing I'm going to use. He's like I've been chipping, chipping against the point. He did do like a golf guy's little paragraph there about chipping with J.T. and Ricky in the backyard.

You know, all that type of stuff. But it does, those type of things scare me. So please stop sending me those DMs because I believe them, hook, line, and sinker. But it's good that he wrote like 1,500 words. He wrote an insane amount of words for a little golf blog. He had a little bit of a hard-o, smitty hardo part. He said, I'm working out six days a week,

alternating between the treadmill, bike riding, swimming, and lifting twice a day. Oh, man, that's so good. That is just so unnecessary. I don't even know why he has to include that. Like the thing, the narrative for, a long time now has been, hey, you're doing too much in the weight room, you're doing too much to your body.

Forever. You've got to figure out a way to conserve whatever you have left. Get like leaner and like you were in 2000. People say that over and over. Our guy Brandel says that all the time. And then he's like, I can't even hit. I can't hit a shot past a chip shot, but I'm lifting twice a day. Okay, Tiger.

Six days a week. That's way too many. That's way too many. He said he's fired up for the President's Cup. tried to keep the band together with Furik, DL3 himself, added Freddie couples to maintain consistency in unity. Then he also said, I've never been through selecting pairings,

and we have a time limit. I'm trying to understand that. So he's real focused on kind of the inner workings of, you know, picking fucking pairings to go out and play golf. I hate this. I hate that this is what we have to talk about with Tiger Woods. This is what we're down to, Trim. Pick a swing, start playing,

stop working out 365 days a year, and just get out. They kind of covered everything. Covered lady golf, covered tennis, covered the Raiders who looked like dog shit yesterday. So there's a lot in there. But Tiger will be around. Prepare for funny Tiger pictures. The guy just can't exist in normal settings and not look funny, no matter what.

It's just going to be, there's going to be ridiculous Tiger pictures. Yeah, when he's not out there actually like playing golf, him just like sitting on carts and him talking to other players. It's just weird. It's just weird. It's always weird. But it's nice to see him out there, you know. You just get excited when you see Tiger. Well, and also we'll get a lot more, not a lot more, but stores will come out like, oh, he's great behind the scenes with these guys.

Oh, yeah. Oh, Yoda Tiger will be coming out. He's gives such good advice to the players, just the best advice. Which I envision. Tiger has the best advice. Which I envisioned him walking out to him just being like, you should just like do what I did. Yeah, like just go. Just go, just be better than there.

Just win everything. Work harder than everyone. Maybe flame out a little early. Yep. But just, you know, just win everything. Make sure you live twice a day, even when you ever have back surgery. It's genius. Last thing I want to talk about is this leaf hitting this guy's knocking this guy Matthew Southgate.

Yeah. Knocking his ball off line. This was an incredible video. This was, I've never seen something that was clearly just wildly unlucky and, you know, nature screwed him that looked more like someone had like a controller or something. This leaf, nothing was moving on the grain. This guy hits his butt. as soon as he strikes the put, the leaf like jumps off the ground and just smokes his ball for a leaf. You know, as much as a leaf can smoke something, smokes his ball, knocks it like six inches off line, not even close.

He, you know, he's rattled. He walks up. He taps it in. Turns out the rule is you can replace your, you have to replace your ball, replay the stroke, which he didn't do. So he gets a two-stroke penalty for not doing that. And then he got the, Worst rule in golf, which is the signing incorrect scorecard, two more strokes, four stroke penalty, because this fucking leaf, like, came to life, skipped across the green, smoked his ball. It really just knocks it way off track. Like, I've never seen a little leaf. I don't even understand the physics behind that little leaf. Is there like a fucking pebble in the middle of that thing? What's interesting is there looks like there are other leaves on the green that aren't moving at all.

Nothing. That's what I mean. It looks like CGI or something. It's insane. This one like gets a life of its own, a mind of its own, and just buries that ball to a completely other side of the green. So the first couple times I watched it, I was just amazed and kind of like trying to digest the whole thing. And now I've gotten to the point

where every time I see it, I laugh out loud. It is that ridiculous. I can't believe it happens. Honestly, props to him for making that tap in afterwards, although it broke a rule. Like I would have launched that across the green and I'd probably still be out there. Yeah, so this is, you know, web.com tour.

He's still got, you know, he's still in it. He's got another week, so hopefully it doesn't end up costing him. Four strokes is a lot. The signing incorrect scorecard rule is the dumbest rule in sports, I believe. I understand where it originally came from. However, now that we've got, especially on these high-level events, just literal documentation of every shop. Yep.

There's no need. I've ever heard of like an eraser? You just, if the guy accidentally puts the wrong score down and signs it, just go fucking erase it and change the number. number. Who cares? So the idea should be like, if he signs it thinking that is a correct scorecard, like he should be fine. Correct. Like that's the Lexi Thompson thing too, when the guy called in and was like, yep, hey, you moved your ball. You shouldn't get an additional two strokes. That's unbelievable. If you are signing the card with the knowledge in your head that you did it correctly,

I know that's kind of leave some room, a little wiggle room, but it still, you should just, if you're signing the card, it should just be fine. If it's very clear that the guy signed it, not knowing that it was incorrect, then you're going to Right. Because the original rules like you just don't want people cheating for no reason. Which, again, if there's any question that maybe he signed it intentionally knowing it was wrong, fine, penalize the fucker. When it's a million billion percent obvious that the guy signed it thinking it was this, which in this case it was, and in Lexi's case it was and all that, then you're good. Then you're good. It doesn't even, it's not even comprehensible that should be a penalty. It's such an archaic, rigid. Oh, brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal.

But I hate that. is still funny. It's so funny. I can't stop watching it. Look at this fucking leaf. It just comes to life, man. It's insane. It's honestly like someone awakens it.

Like somebody pushes a button and the leaf goes from like asleep to power on, leaf activated, smoke that ball, knock it off. It's just not your day when something like that happens. I don't believe in too many higher powers. But this is one where it's just like, you know what? It's not your day. Just, yeah, just pack it in, you know, try to get through the round and just be like, that was not, this was not my day out there.

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Definitely going to a bar and taking shots. All right. We are now joined by three presidents' cuppers. We got our guy, Kevin Kisner. We got Charlie Hoffman. We got Kevin Chappell. Guys, what's going on? How's going?

Life's good, man. How are you guys handling New York, kind of being paraded around, it feels like? Yeah, I think we're about done, though, so golf can begin here shortly. So we're just the last guys, basically, between the years and just playing the end of the line whenever we're playing some golf. We get all the requests, and then we're like, all right, if we can fit them in. I can tell. So people, we're going to put some pictures out, but we are in a small office at 30 Rock right now. Feels good.

It's our first time here. Trent and I're kind of excited. I'm a huge S&L guy. I thought my first visit here would be going to the show, but I'm actually just in a cubicle on the eighth floor, which is kind of nice, I guess. It's right down to hall, though, so you can go check it out. Yeah. All right, fellas. So President's Cup, let's talk about it.

Obviously, everybody wants to, you know, talk about the team aspect and all that. What are kind of the original thoughts, you know, going in? You guys got all the gear on, which is probably my favorite part. original thoughts is to have fun i mean we got a good group of guys a lot of guys that like to have fun and uh enjoy the experience for me we got we got three rookies here so we don't really know what we're getting ourselves into yet and uh i think we're all ready to get it started anybody giving you the kind of like oh i'll show you the ropes type deal i mean phil doesn't stop talking the whole time so i guess if that's him showing us the ropes or him just telling us how smart he is just him being

him oh okay yeah just phil being phil uh so yeah we got uh you know a lot of talk about the pod system ever since 08. You guys got any input on what kind of pod system we're rocking this week? It's a fire team. Okay. I like that. Squad? Squad or team? Fire squad?

Hashtag squad. No. Our fire squads team motto is LFG. Y'all can do the acronym however you want, but we all know what it stands for. That stands for let's fucking go. You can swear on this podcast if you want to. Kiz knows. So Kiz coming off Atlanta, we've got to talk about it real quick.

Awesome year. by the way. Thanks. So we're curious, down the stretch, you know, you had the lead a little bit. There's a bunch of jumble going around watching the coverage. Even Johnny Miller was like, nobody knows what the hell is going on with all the FedEx Cup, how it factors in. Do you have any idea, you know, in the moment kind of on the back nine where you stand FedEx Cup-wise

versus just tour championship-wise? Well, I knew that Jordan had to finish outside of 12th for me to win the FedEx Cup. So when I saw he was in like sixth place, it was pretty much over for that. But still, you want to win the tournament. I just didn't get it done. I didn't hit it very good all week, but hung in there on my short game and gave myself a chance. You were battling.

We were going. We were rooting for you. We were rallying the troops. Yeah, it just feels like, I don't know, it feels to us just kind of watching again. Like, it felt like it took away a little bit from the tournament, just as a spectator standpoint, watching on TV with all the hoopla and all the BS and all of the math,

and they kept going back to the calculator. And it's kind of like, he's just trying to win a tournament. That's right. It's a lot of situations going on, but obviously I think the guy that played the best this year won the FedEx Cup. So in the end, it was all worthwhile. I think that's a good point. That's a very good political answer. Yeah, there you go.

So the course, let's talk a little bit about the course, Liberty National. You guys seen much of it, or you just still sick of dealing with guys like us? I came out here early about three weeks ago before the Northern Trust and played a few rounds, and then I was out and played a couple holes yesterday. Everything's great. It's going to be a great setting for the President's Cup. I mean, with Manhattan in the background, in course, in perfect shape. I mean, it's going to be a place that you want to come watch live or watch it on TV.

It's going to be great competition and with some great views. Yeah, I was out there a couple weeks ago, and, you know, they kind of rerouted a couple things. I want to talk a little about the first hole. You know, they kind of implement the whole stadium-type feel that they're doing a lot of the team events, which is really cool. Not an easy first tee shot. Have you guys, you know, thoughts? Are we going to be laying up? we should be stepping up there going,

President's Cup, I'm fired up, let's rip it. I haven't played it as a first hole yet. Last time I played it was like five. So, you know, we walked by yesterday. With that water up the left, I'm probably just going to ship driver and let my partner figure it out. No, Dewey said I had odds,

so you don't have to hit that one. Oh, perfect. And then there's, I think the 18th is now playing as a part three, which, you know, I guess you don't really see that very often, especially in a team event. Any thoughts and maybe some matches coming down to just kind of a little one-shotter? I don't plan my match to be coming to the 18th, so. Boom.

I love that. That's awesome. That's what I wanted to hear. We're only playing 13 holes today and tomorrow, so. Boom, roasted. Probably never see that hole. There's a reason why the clubhouse is where it is, so we can get there faster. What is it after 14 an hour or something?

So, Charlie, you had kind of a moment that went a little viral over in the year. You had your little interaction with your caddy. kind of gave them the old, you know, I'm not laying up. I'm sick of finishing second. Did you ever think something like that was going to kind of go as viral as it did? No, I never thought. I mean, I think that's a daily occurrence with us trying to figure stuff out. But that was one of those situations I'd finish second a couple weeks in a row and lost in the playoff.

And she just hadn't got W yet this year. Hopefully now I'm planning on a team event to get my W. But I didn't think that was going to go viral the way it was. And I felt the way Hadeki was playing. The only way for me to get that win was to make an eagle on the birdie probably coming in. I played the last 3-3-under, and I didn't. I pulled off the shot, but I didn't even make a birdie, so it went for nothing.

But it was definitely a cool little bit between my caddy and I. And I think it happens more often than it actually gets put on display out there. Right. That was kind of my takeaway was like I feel like this is a conversation they've had many times or something really similar. Yeah, yeah. Pretty much everyone has that conversation. If we were mic'd up and sold it on HBO, we'd all be millionaires.

And you'd be divorced. 100% could be already we'll cut that so what's the biggest if you ever had kind of a standout moment where your caddy you know your guy has called you off a shot or is kind of vetoed as phil like to say or any kind of big moments like that stand out my guy's not smart enough to call me off anything so no I think it takes a lot of balls to call somebody out I think yeah I think if they see you doing something really stupid they're going to say hey what do you think in here might not really call you off but like what do you think and what's your process what are you going through here to sort of like make you maybe rethink that situation so maybe you come up with on your own

little inception yeah exactly i think we all have three pretty good relationships yeah caddies so you know i think it's it's an open conversation constantly and uh you know we try to uh they're there to keep us from doing something too stupid in the end we're the CEO though so we run the ship right like that you got to put your foot down that's right day uh we've had a couple of caddies in the show so we're always um you know we're very pro caddy we like getting their uh you know their viewpoint on things and all that what do you think uh you think the caddies are doing anything different this week team event any different kind of uh approach especially something like you know alternate shot yeah they're probably doing nothing like they usually do so they're probably doing a really

good job of that just they're probably still laying in bed right now hung over and uh thinking about getting on a ferry to meet us over there in a couple hours. I mean, that's not a bad life. Yeah, not bad. And I'm sure John Wood's already done push-ups and run 12 miles and figured out every sprinkler that's off by a yard. I don't know if y'all know John Wood. Oh, yeah.

So that's not. You guys aren't out there running that same kind of rigorous. Now we'll let Wood do it off one. My man ain't running anywhere except to the fridge if you ain't seen him. I mean, that's kind of what you want. So Charlie, too, we've got to ask you guys about the Canadian Open. you guys had a phenomenal exchange. I think it was on the 12th hole.

Charlie, you kind of had a fried egg in a bunker. You brought over rules official. Got a rule. You guys, you and Kevin had a pretty funny exchange. You guys want to talk us through that a little bit. Yeah, I'll start. As much as you get screwed by the rules of golf, which are really stupid in the most part,

I try to take advantage of one, and someone called me out on it. First of all, Charlie's a lot smarter than he looks because I was really proud. out of how he handled the situation. He definitely lawyered the rules official and knew what was going to happen the whole time. You know, the guy didn't even tell me he was getting a drop, but his ball was in his hand, so he

had to tell me he was going to drop. I wasn't ever going to stop the drop, but I wanted the rules official to have to explain to me what was going on, especially with the camera right there. Like to make him really sweat it out of a little. It was dicey at best, and all of a sudden the ball was in Charlie's hand and dropped, and I'm like, wait a second, what's going on here?

And then he had that smile on his face, and I just had make sure the world knew what that means. You gave them, you gave him, you'll look at that shit eating good on your face. So talk us through the rule like a little bit, because I think, I mean, most people, I would have never, I had never heard that rule before. Yeah, it's a horrible rule. I assume you'll see it change in the near future, but lining and bunkers are virtually in every bunker, but if you go out and play your local muni, they may not groom them,

lightning maybe sticking up through the bottom of the bunker, so on, so on, so forth. You can get hurt if you hit a full shot, hit the lining, so on and so forth. now we have agronomis of PJ tourists and rule stuff and everybody the bunkers are perfect and immaculate but if you dig your feet in to get on a lip of a bunker you're going to hit lining on virtually every one of them right and you can get a drop that's just part of the rules uh and it's unsafe it's unsafe situation I could trip hurt myself right you see his voice inflection he's really playing it up and I can get hurt it can happen you never know so yeah you know what I've said it's funny I've said Last year, this year, it happens on a regular basis. It's a bad rule. It's not you're really affecting the competition when it's said and done. And the rule of staff agrees to me, and I think there should be a local rule, at least on the PJ tour, saying you don't get relief from lining because the lining doesn't stick out above the sand on the PJ tour.

Right. At your local muni day in and day out golf, which USDA governs, yes, it could happen. You could get hurt, but on the PJ tour, it shouldn't happen. So what is the worst rule in golf? You don't have time. You don't have time on this podcast for that. divvets. Fairways?

Yeah. Or mud balls. You know you play golf outside, right? Yeah, I know, but if I striped one down the middle, I shouldn't have to hit a seven iron that hooks 40 yards. Every seven iron you hit hooks 40 yards. I wish it would hook. Most of the time I'm in the right trees, dog.

Trying to get that thing to sling. Because it didn't hook. Come on, hook ball, hook. Everybody's like, it cannot hook 40 yards. is. Worst rule in golf, Charlie? I think they've actually, the worst rule I thought

for a long time was the ball moving, and I think they've sort of fixed that with the Dustin Johnson thing. So, uh, the intent, I guess intent's a very, very vague rule.

It governs a lot of the rules in golf. So maybe with this day and age with long putters, uh, intent, uh, is a very vague word. A shot across the bow of that.

Yeah. Nice. I like that. Yeah. I'm going, uh, two different types of hazards. I can't even, figure it out. I hit one and I'm like, what am I doing? What are my options? Let me call someone

over so I don't fuck this up. I'm, uh, so we had Matthew Southgate, I believe it was in the web.com on Sunday who had a, he had a leaf blow across, knocked his ball offline. He finished out, ended up taking a four-stroke penalty because he signed an incorrect scorecard because he shouldn't have finished out. He should have put his ball back and played it again. Excuse me? So yeah, so he, I might have to pull up the video. I didn't see it. I heard it also. It is a vicious move. by this leaf to it comes flying out of nowhere. Let me pull it up real quick.

We're pulling it up live. So back-to-back weeks out there, they've had three four-shot penalties? Yeah. You might have missed it the first time that it'll play again. Let's see here. What?

So was there intent for that leaf to hit the ball? That leaf looked like it had a lot of intent with that ball. I mean, it came over like a heat-sinking missile. So he got a four-shot penalty because he didn't replay the shot. So what happened was the rule is you're supposed to replay the shot. He finished out just being like, oh, I got fucked.

Yeah. Finished out. But did John not hear Phil's story? In this President's Cup, he hit a putt, and Leif knocked it off line, and he wanted to replay it, but they told him no. Really? So everybody was like, well. Oh, I remember that, but I didn't remember that he did. So he did the opposite, and they ruled the opposite.

Correct. So let's get that figured out. So, yeah, I'm not, I feel like the signing and incorrect scorecard is pretty archaic. Why do we even have a card? Especially when, I mean, on your guys level, right. Everybody, every shot's document. We have four million people watching us and writing everything we do down. But no, you got to fill out that scorecard correctly.

You better sign it correctly. What is your guys, we've already asked kids this. What's your guys weirdest golf superstition? I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say I have really any superstitions at all on the golf course. Now I have a regular thing that I do, how I warm up and so on. I'd say that's not really. Awesome answer, Charlie. It sucks.

I don't have a... I like kids. It was like a peanut gallery. What's your superstition? I always mark my ball on heads. That's dumb. Oh, you about really got on... Not politically correct with that answer.

I was trying to let loose a little bit. Trying to let loose. Kevin, weirdest golf superstition. I try to change balls after every birdie. I haven't been making a lot of birdies lately, so I've been playing the same ball for a long time. He's going on a seventh. round in a row.

Right. I feel like that's weird. Most people are the opposite. Most people are the opposite. I'm going to keep this guy going. Yeah. I just, there can't be that much good than every ball.

Like, that guy's needed to change the ball clearly. It got hit my only. That ball's going. Deposit that into the woods immediately. What's your go-to curse word after you hit a shooty shot? Fuck. There we go.

I think that's pretty accurate for everybody. I'm already on this podcast saying that. Yeah. You don't have a new one? No. The Fler's slump flows. really well off the tongue. So this being the team event, who keeps it loose or who you guys looking to if it gets intense?

Who's going to keep it loose? He seems like you guys got a pretty good group, but is there anybody in particular that is really good at doing that probably Phil? I'd say the surprise for me so far has been that Tech Ned, Cooch. Yeah? He can tell some jokes and keep it light, which was a big surprise to me. Tech Ned, I love it. Kids are pretty loose, believe it or not. I'm sure that shocks the hell out of them

Kiz was a little loose on Sunday Oh here we go I was leading to charge So we've got the The captains up top Do you guys Do they hang out with you guys Are they more keep it separate from the players

Or you guys all kind of in this thing together? Yeah, we're one I mean everybody's together I mean captains are hanging out Players are hanging out Last night the caddies And everybody else was hanging out I think it's pretty solid squad

Yeah we do everything together as far as I can tell when I've been sober. Sounds like that's not very often. Today I am. You're getting your best. Do you want any more, do we want to get any more details on Sunday night? It wasn't a whole lot going on.

Took a long time to get here, so that was a lot of drinks, and then continued when JT showed up with $10 million. That helps. Yeah, that's a huge. That's a huge injection. He still had bought a drink, though. Yeah, still hadn't done anything for us.

A couple of shots of spray with champagne. saw some of that. Let's talk about the dogs game Saturday night. That was sick, wasn't it? So you throw out a tweet, what was that, Friday? Yeah, Friday night on the way home from the course in the cursory car. I'm like, man, there's no way I can make the game if I drive. I bet a helicopter could get me there.

So somebody, I mean, how many reactions did you have? Oh, tons. But most everybody came back to like two companies and were like, hey, call this guy, call this guy. And then Justin Thomas called me and was like, hey, I know that. guy. I'm going to call him and then he hooked us up in a little group text and next time I know dude's like yeah my son is up there he'll fly you we'll figure it all out don't worry about it some people get all the breaks don't so did you even pay for that zero you are cheap

did you see how much pub I got helicopter Express I mean they just bought a new helicopter because of me right you and your 10 followers on they have oh chirping Are you even on Twitter? No, I couldn't last on Twitter. That's a good thing. Seagull, we call him the Seagull, by the way, if y'all didn't know that. The Seagull?

Yeah, that's his nickname, because he flies around and shits on everyone. Charlie, speaking, is shitting on people. That's a hell of a segue. So we've got, our fans are a little rowdy. They could be a little obnoxious. And there was a really funny video. It was maybe a month ago or so, but somebody gave you. you the classic like hey Charlie what a Saturday's for and you they caught it on video where

you go for me something like no you go something like it's Sunday you dumb asser yes yes and some guys said that it was like total fail we were like buddy that's the funniest video so I mean fans are always a big talk of you know team events what what is the most annoying thing a fan can do out there uh I I really don't like the shh. That's a little more, that's even more annoying than the guy yelling. Yeah, the fans going, shh, shh.

And then you get the fans that think that's funny going, shh, shh, sh. So that's my annoying sort of fan thing. Screaming after you hit the ball mashed potatoes and that, PS, but, I mean, they can, after birdie's usually not a lot of bother you. It's usually after you make a bogey that really, then you think pisses you off.

Right. I would say anytime you, anybody, you're going to be a dickhead, basically. what's the uh you know what's i guess if fans want to show you some love but not be annoying what's something they can do wait till you make a birdie i just respect i mean cheer i get respect and cheer i mean i just don't don't try to be loud and be on tv that's that's usually that's the stuff that's annoying when you're trying to be loud and be on tv just respect the game when shotgun beers yeah i mean you can be loud and cheer when after good shots and no one's going

have a problem but I mean inopportune times and they know it. Shotgun beer's quietly. No, you can do it loud in between shots. Don't be a weirdo when we're trying to hit. After that, you don't care what you do. Remember, we are the show. Right. We're the act.

Fans, you are now the act. Someone trying, we appreciate the support, but someone trying to go over the top, that's annoying. So you guys feeling any extra pressure coming in as the big time favorites this week? I'd say I don't. I don't think anybody. I mean, around the guys that we've been around,

think there's really a ton of pressure. I mean, the way everybody's been playing this year and going into it, I think we're in pretty good stride. And we all know we need to play good golf. It's not going to just happen, that's for sure. And we all know that. And we do, we do our job. I think we should be all right. What's the line, Trent? What's that? What's the line? You said we're heavy favorites. I was like two and a half or three to one. I'd take it. I'm not recognized. I'm not recommending gambling yes you are

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I mean we're just I just feel like I got to ask we referring to him as a person or his person below his waist oh I did is that more intimidating now that you see it yeah

That's a great question. Feel free to answer. Third leg, Tiger. Obviously, he's the greatest ever do it. I mean, in my opinion, he is the greatest to ever do it. But, you know, he's got a lot of knowledge. He is as into it as anyone. And, you know, it's actually pretty cool to see someone that isn't going to hit a shot,

you know, put in some time and emotion into what we're about to go do and try to, you know, make us perform the best we can. We'll see how good he is at making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich here later in the week when I ask him for one. Kiss? I love, I feel like I've met my match and shit talking. Normally I'm probably one of the top five on tour and like one-liners and he's got one back for everything I've thrown at him so far so I'm really digging in my well of

tricks so far. But he's like a 12 year old. Yeah, he is true. It's like bite me. Well, he always likes to talk about how good he was. I'm like, oh, how good are you now? You can't even swing. He laughs at your mom jokes and fart jokes.

Yeah. That stuff's funny, but. not that original. It's been, it's not cool when you're just like, oh, how good I was. That's like the ultimate

Do you know he's won 113 times, though? I'd probably talk a lot like that if I won that much. True, but it's almost not fair. It's like you got to get down to our level to talk some short.

Right. I was, uh, Freddie couples out there. He seems like, is he as cool as he seems. He's just totally chill when I've been around him.

Total chill. He just sits back, chill. He's like the coolest motherfucker ever. I mean, he walked in yesterday in Jim shorts and a Jordan hat of Jordan Flatbill, and I'm like, you are 100. And love what you're working. All right, guys.

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Next up, we have from the gallery. We got one in the Scramble Department. You know what? And I think this one, a lot of people have this question. So it's a good one to address. Yeah, this does come up quite a bit in scrambles. We've all played in scrambles many times. Before we get to that, I want to remind everyone to email us for play at barstoolsports.

com. Send us your from the gallery questions, issues, things like us to discuss, whatever. This one's from Colby. So essentially what happens is they're playing in a four-man scramble. They're playing a part five. They go for it in two. One shot ends up in a greed side bunker, uphill line, not too far from the pin. and Colby wants to take that shot.

He's like, this is an easy bunker shot. I'm a sand guy. I think he actually said hashtag big sand guy in his email. Strange thing to say. Which is strange, but I mean confident. I like that. The other shot is like, you know, they got to go through like 10 yards of rough. They're 50 feet or so away from the pin.

The other group's like, no, let's just take the rough chip. He's like, no, let's take the bunker shot. He gets outnumbered. So they're like, we've got to take the rough shot. He says, screw you guys, I'm going to go play my sand shot. Anyways, I just want to see how I would do. Cans it for Eagle. Well, let me start with this.

You don't want to be the guy who hits your own shot just for fun. Because either you're going to be mad because it's a very terrible shot and you're going to hate yourself or it's going to be like this. And then you put everyone in a weird spot. Yeah. Really weird spot. You put everyone in a weird spot because you can't do this. You cannot take that shot. You just can't.

Right. Because it, yeah. Yeah, you just can't. I mean, you're just cheating basically. If you take that shot, you're cheating. It's illegal. Cheating is illegal. It's also morally wrong.

ethically wrong, frowned upon, you shouldn't do it. Yeah. And I know we've said on this podcast, you don't want to play with anybody who is so strict by the rules that it just consumes the whole day and you just want to die. But this one is simple. Everyone knows if everyone decides not to take that shot and then you hit that shot and make it, it's just not going to count. That's not that stringent.

It's just the way it goes. Right, right. We don't want to be the rule Nazis here. Right. That one's pretty blatantly obvious. You can't just go around, like cheating like that. Yeah, because then it sets a bad precedent. And then the rest of the day, people are like, well, I don't know.

I'll just hit. I'm going to play every shot. If it goes in, I mean, we'll just take it. You can't set that. There has to be, there are rules to a scramble. They have to abide by. So, great shot by that guy. I'm kind of unhappy he made it, I guess.

Although, like I said, you shouldn't even be hitting those shots because you're either going to make yourself mad or you're going to make everyone you're playing with Matt. And you kind of got it in the back of your brain the rest of the day that like we kind of, like, we kind of cheated a little bit there. Yeah. And it's just, it makes the whole thing. It's just wrong. You shouldn't do it. I will say this comes up usually in a much smaller form on the green.

Definitely. Right? When you got like a 30 footer or one guy hits it like. like two feet past and he walks up and taps in. He's like, all right, we're in for par. It's like, no, like, actually you got to mark that. And again, you don't want to be a rule Nazi. If you're like six inches or like an inch away, okay, I understand it a little bit.

This does bring me to something that I witnessed when I played in Scotland, which actually this made a lot more sense. So we played a two-man scramble on Sunday at Leaving Link. Shout to my guys at Levin Thistle. Shouts. When I was out there. And so two-man scramble. my guy Colin and I

and their ruling was once you if you decide to put the ball into the hole that is your score so if you've got four chances for birdie from 10 feet the first guy hits it to six inches and then walks up and taps it in once he's hit that ball that's your score

so the rest don't count so the other guys don't get a put for birdie that they're in for that number okay that why why it makes so much sense that makes so much sense I was like, that is so much smarter than the way we do it. How do they have... All these assholes go up and they're like, oh, we're in for poor. No, dude, that's cheating. How do they have more figured out over there?

I know they've been playing the game longer. The whole thing's just figured out the way that, like, their courses are not for all the rich and famous and, like, the boozy stuff. It's just kind of the working man. It's just a lot better. Why don't we apply that? That makes so much sense. So that was the main reason I picked this from the gallery was to drop that truth on people. That's how they do it over there.

And to remind people we went to Scotland and it was awesome. Yeah, totally. And to check out the episode from a couple weeks ago, if you haven't, download rate, subscribe. I think the whole world check that episode out, given the numbers. I agree with that. Shout out to Riggs, pulling in the big numbers. Yeah, no, we do. So, yeah, everything we're saying is correct.

You just play it the right way. Again, you don't want to be a rule Nazi, but you got to play Scramble the right way. Yeah, you got to. Scrambles are so much fun and they're so laid back that you don't want to make it so laid back and so, like, laze fair. You don't want that on your brain that you're like, well, we're kind of in the hunt here, and we're supposed to just be a fun day drinking and hitting scramble shots, but like we also like we kind of like it's like you know when you and your friends accidentally murder someone you just you can't live that life without having that in the back of your head

just don't murder anybody that was i don't know that was pretty serious you brought pretty i didn't see that coming trip i didn't either but it's it's the same concept you just don't want to be up there both are morally wrong murdering people and cheating and a scramble both morally i didn't i didn't mean to put them on the same level but it's what you're saying if you end up in the hunt of the tournament you're like but it just feels so wrong because we cheated. Right. Okay.

So, yeah, that's our take on scrambles. That's a good one just because I think it's relatable. A lot of people find themselves in that position. For sure. You're kind of like, oh, like, do we take that show? Maybe you know what you do? You just apply the Scotland way of doing it, and it just catches fire in America, and we all play it that way.

Yeah. Is that a thing that can happen? Yeah. And so what would have happened in this actually would have benefited Colby because once he puts it in play, that's their team. That's their shot. Yeah. But it usually in that situation would backfire because he probably hit a horrible bunker shot.

Yeah. His teammates would be like, oh, what are you doing, dude? And they get all upset at each other, and they all go hit horrible longer shots, and it's cold. He's fall. Everybody's mad at each other. And the day is ruined. Right. Rooned.

Rooned. Rooned. Is that a family guy reference? I think it is. Nice. Runed. Ruined. Yeah, ruined.

All right, President's Cup week, and then we've, then we hit the dark days of golf winter. It's true. All right. Enjoy. Go USA. That's all I got.