Fore Play - A Golf Wardrobe Revolution with Dean Norris

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

Hoodies and casual wear are taking over golf; we love it and want more of it. We talk golf wardrobes, Frankie’s 76, Trent’s upcoming breaking 100 series, Si Woo Kim’s preposterous penalty, Stewart Cink’s dominant win, Lydia Ko returning to the top, and going all-in on Christmas this year. Then actor Dean Norris (74:43), joins the pod to chat about his new show, the early days of Breaking Bad, Rickie Fowler, and much more.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/foreplaypod

Hey, 4Play listeners, you can find us every Tuesday and Thursday on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. Forwardplay, I'm presenting at Barstool Sports. Once again, our clap sync was way off, but that's just how we do it. That's how we roll. Frankie's got a little smirk. Trent's been struggling with technology, but we're back. It's Monday morning for us, Tuesday morning for you guys.

Going through a little bit of a master's hangover in the sense that I didn't really consume any of the RBC heritage this past weekend. I know Stuart Sink. I was trying to follow some storylines, but it's very difficult. We talk about this every year. Very difficult to go from watching the Masters, the back nine at Augusta to just watch a regular PGA tour event. Nevertheless, there's some good storylines,

so we will get to that. We have Dean Norris on this show, if you're not familiar. He was a big part of what I think almost all of us on the show consider maybe the best or one of the best shows of all time, Breaking Bad, huge golf guy and very funny dude. So we talk with him about golf. We talk about the career, the industry in terms of acting, which is always fascinating to us.

So listen to that. That's coming up at the end of the show or the second half of the show. And then other than that, we have Frankie Borelli, our very own Frankie Borelli, posted an amazing score, a 76 this past weekend that when I saw that scorecard, I mean, I was amazed. That's just a really low number. It's a fantastically low number. and I was with my pal Trent, you know, it was one of those days where we had some time off from recording.

And like you said, a little bit of a master's hangover. And we had a bunch of merch that we wanted to show the people. So we said, why don't we go over to the links, the rock, as I like to call it, Rockville Links. It's become probably my home course around here. It's a nice little flat, Long Island, Nassau County, short 6,400 yard, but treacherous greens type of course, which I've become very fond of because it's just, that's my style of golf course. course I guess I've grown up with it. And it was really good to just, you know, just kind of kick it back.

There was no cameras and just kind of play golf. And boy, was it nice to finally get some balls to go in that hole. I mean, Trent was there. He was, he was, he was witness. It was, I became like a different person. I don't know what happened, but I was taking divvits. I was draining like 50 foot putts. It was a lot of the times we were laughing, like what is happening.

The putting was really the most surprising part. There were, I mean, you were great ball contact all day. You took the divot that I was recording, maybe the best swing you've ever had. But the putts, you were just making them from 30, 40, 50 feet. And to the point where we just couldn't believe it. But yeah, it was a good vibes day. It was my first time at Rockville.

I loved it. That place was great. It was nice, and we had talked a little bit about this when we were playing, Frankie. We play very hard golf courses, this podcast in general, and we're spoiled. We go to these fantastic places like Pinehurst, And all these different awesome golf courses that it was nice, I will say, to play a place that was flat.

Where it was you can see it. You just hit it. And then you hit it in the right spot and you hit it the way you're supposed to. It's going to land on the green. I did that very rarely when I played Rockville. But the idea was there. And I had a great time. I shot 104, not as good as Frankie 76.

But it was just a good day. Frankie played fucking out of his mind. Yeah, there's something about stepping up to a T and knowing you can take hybrid and like hit the right. side of the fairway and you have 160 in, 175 in, and there's nothing, there's nothing that's going to come out and get you, right? I feel like a lot of the places we play, you can hit a great shot and not be rewarded for it. And that kind of sucks. And you get into this mode of like, all right, like, there's really nothing I can do. I just suck a golf. Meanwhile, like a lot of the times, it's just we're playing really, really difficult golf courses. Now, I'm not bitching and

moaning about that, but it is like you're saying, it's nice once in a while to kind of play just a regular golf course and, and be able to like, I mean, the greens there are nasty. And thank God, we had Luke there, the superintendent, who literally knows how to read the greens, was just telling me to just put the ball here. Now, did that help me get to a 76? 100%. So I was watching your Instagram story, obviously, and every time it panned to you and you were on the green, the ball just went into the hole every single time. It was insane. It was insane.

Every time. Now, I don't know if it's Rockville, but I want to tell you guys some more breaking news. I played again yesterday. and I shot 79. I mean, I finished, I finished. Come on. I finished. So on the front nine, I shot 30, 38.

And then I went, oh, I got to look. I had maybe the craziest back nine of all time. It was just such a funny background. Front nine 38. Then I went, I shot 41 on the back. I went double, bogey, bogey, bogey, birdie, birdie, double. So it was just like, balls were falling in holes,

balls are going OB. They were falling down on a tree. But man, that place, it is an easier golf course. There's no, there's no debating that. Like, I'm able to not, I hit maybe two drivers the whole day. So when we play places like Tori Pines and we play Bethpage Black, I'm ripping driver all day into the wind and I'm finding myself in crazy bad situations. That 79 turns into a fucking 96 quick for me because I'm not good out of the shit.

Like, I don't know how to recover. So let me ask you this. We talk a ton on this show. Matthew Fitzpatrick coined it with his buddy texting him like, I'm back. do you believe now that this is the real Frankie Borelli or is this an anomaly and an outlier or is this like is this who you are on the golf course? Dude, the last two rounds I've played,

I've broken 80s both times. It's insane, but I haven't missed a fucking green. I'm legitimately taking divvits with these irons. I'm hitting nine irons, pitching wedges into greens, and I'm not missing. So I haven't had the chip. When I've had chances to chip, I've fallen apart. So when we do play these courses coming up,

we're about to talk about how we're going to go play a lot of golf and a lot of difficult golf. I don't know that I'm going to necessarily say I'm back. I'm playing a very easier golf course that completely goes to my game. And all the fairways turn my way. And it's just built for a lefty that doesn't know how to hit fucking wedges. And so I'm not going to officially say I'm back. I will say that I have like a new swing that I needed these rounds.

Yes. I, dude. Hell yeah. Bro, it's like everyone tells you to swing softly and like effortless. swings and I always think to do that and everyone's seen my swing it's so fucking fast and short and that's when I get the hooks and the hazzles and the fucking tops bro I needed one round and this was the one round with Trent to understand that if I swing unbelievably slow in my head just like literally had Deke Matsuyama in your head like just fucking barely get that club behind you and then

barely get it through if I do that the ball will still go where I wanted to go and I needed that sense of confidence to see it happen. And now like that I know that it goes where I want it to go, I'm no longer swinging fast. It's the craziest thing. I'm legitimately laughing after I make contact now. I do think the biggest thing people have ever told you is your tempo. It's just tempo. They've talked about that through your chipping all the way through your full swing because everybody loves your swing. You have the prettiest swing on the show by far. But your tempo, when your tempo is solid, you're just really solid. Like you just hit it really well. Yeah. It's a good feeling. feeling knowing like I just I want to play a more difficult golf course now I want to see how it goes like I'm I'm ready for the test and we're about to see the test you're about to get your wish your wish brother you're about to get real quick and things are about to get real for you know what's amazing about your 76 there's a lot of amazing things about it but one of the amazing things about it is you still can't chip you had blowups on 14 and I think 15 where you you had you were forced to chip and you still cannot do that I I should have shot 71 that

I legitimately kicked the ball around in the back nine. It was, it was insane. Dude, if you didn't have those two blowups on the back nine, yeah, you're shooting 71, 72, like, no doubt about it. There's video, and it was up on the Insta story of you on 15, just at the bottom of the hill trying to get up, and it just wouldn't happen for it. What'd you make on 15?

I think I made a 7. It was bad, but, like, if you eliminate that, and you had a great day otherwise anyway, but, like, if you eliminate that, now we're talking about really low numbers. Yeah, it's just good to see the ball going the hole once in a while, you know? If you look at my fucking gin handicap, I have 98s in there. I've got 86s.

I've got 92. And then all of a sudden you throw a couple 70 numbers in there. It's just nice to see. I don't know. I'm very excited for this fucking year. It's only fucking April right now. And I'm just feeling good. So we have got, and we're going to get to it a little bit.

We've got the whole crew next week. We're going out with the USGA for US Open Media Day for both the women's US Open. at Olympic and then flying right down to Southern California. And the next day we're playing Tori Pines. And we're going to see what we shoot. So we'll get to that. First, we got to remind everybody that Owens Mixers exists and the Barstville Transfusion exists. And it's fantastic.

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No pun intended with a little of those pictures. Dude, I had a poloma yesterday. Yeah? Yeah, probably one of my first polomas. I think I may have had a Paloma and just didn't know as a Paloma. But man, that tequila, it is a, it is a tasty little drink, man. It is a tasty little fucking drink. It's a nice change.

It's like a little change of pace from kind of your standard cocktail because it's different. It's very different than a lot of the other stuff. Whether you get a John Dealer, whether you get a transfusion, the Paloma hits a little different. It does hit a little different. And it's got a nice fruit in there and you just feel like you're drinking a nice citrusy, just tasteful drink. You feel like you're on the beach when you drink that? It feels like a beach drink to me. It definitely has, it's,

it definitely has, you know, the warm breeze hitting your face kind of feel, maybe sitting out on a boat kind of feel. Like, yeah, you're not really riding the boat. You guys are kind of docked somewhere or you're kind of just moving back and forth. You're floating on a lake boat maybe. I appreciate the legitimate critical thought that you gave that

because it would have been easy for you to just be like, yeah, sure, it kind of feels like I'm on a beach, but instead you gave a like, oh man let me really think about that you really took yourself back to yesterday or whenever you were drinking that poloma and thought what am i feeling at that moment what does it feel like and it feels like you're floating on a on a boat in the middle of the ocean yes and i was playing good golf and i had a nice drink in my hand and it you know it was a good feeling it was a good vibe drink it's a very good vibe drink and also something you can sip on which i like i'm excited i'm excited to see your game

at olympic and those are two those are two nasty nasty nasty little buggers. Torrey Pines, so you've played it. The rest of us have not. We were just there for a few hours, one afternoon in January, kind of filming a few things. That golf course looks impossible. It looks like there's nowhere to hit it.

It looks like it's just windy all the time, and it looks like it's going to be a serious problem. So I have very little confidence going into that. I want to know if I can take my game that I currently have been playing the last week on a 6,400-yard course. And if I can just apply that to it, What are we going to play those fucking courses at? I mean, 7,000 plus, right?

Yeah, I think we're going to try to do it as close to, like, a U.S. Open set up as we can and just see what we shoot. What happens if I just take that game and bring it there? Like, how many strokes do I lose, right? Like, if I just act like this, I'm just going to play it the way I want to, not the way the course wants me to. That's what I've been debating. Like, if I just step up to Olympic, I'm like, yeah, I'm taking fucking hybrid off this tape. Because I'm going to keep it down the middle. Then I'm going to take a fucking six iron.

I'm going to hit a short. But then there comes the first. fucking wedges. It's just going to be a different game, man. It's going to be a different game. It's, um, it is tough because it mentally gets in your head that you can't just hit hybrid like nine iron. So now you're like, I got a pipe a driver and then you have a shitty or a quick swing without the tempo. Now you're like, what the fuck happened? I was in the middle of Fairway last weekend all week. Now I'm in this ridiculously thick rough. I'm 220 yards out. And then it just adds up. That's only one hole. Now you just do that. Right. Look at my fucking.

I'm genuinely not looking forward to playing Torrey Pines. And I love Torrey Pines. I think it's a great venue. I think the U.S. Open is going to be treacherous. It's going to be what we like the U.S. Open to be. It's going to be difficult. It's going to be beautiful. But for me playing it, and I've talked to some locals in San Diego being like, yeah,

it's just like not that fun of a golf course to play. It really isn't. Like, it's just the truth. I mean, people probably say that about Beth Page also. You're out there in 120 degree weather. You got to walk the fucking thing. You're walking up these hills. You got the wind.

You got the, the 15. all you just want to go home when you're on on the other side of the road it's just that Torrey pines is not that fun of a golf course we talked about that what did you shoot the last you played there what did you shoot when you played there fuck you shot like 90 remember you had to get up and down or something on 18 I feel like to break 90 and you

you know you kind of did I think I made it I think I made an 8 on the on the 18th but um play too poorly I didn't play too poorly we got I remember the the starter was like this is uh he goes mark it down the only day that there's going to be the wind like this forever like forever it was just no wind in the beginning in the front nine so we will never have that again um i remember on the back nine seeing people te off on one and they're

hitting their fucking drive and their hats are falling off so that's that's what we got going for us that's just what we get too like when we were in vgas it was the windiest that they've it's ever been for four straight i mean we couldn't even talk we were we had audio issues because it was so windy we're like when we did the scramble against page in them it's in scottesdale it was raining and 55 degrees Boys, I've been here for about five months. It hasn't rained or been that cold once since then. That is absolutely fucking bullshit. In the first day you guys got here, it was 45 degrees and just raining.

And Scott's in the middle of the desert. It just doesn't do that. It's not a real thing. But yes, we are going to California next week. We're going to film stroke play and just see what we shoot. We're going to have a little stroke play competition and just see what the numbers are. Trent, I know you're clearly missed to break a hundred. 100 guy.

You shot 104 out at Rockville, Links. I'm curious to see your game because I think people were probably highest coming into this year on your game and your improvement by far. Yeah, I shot 104 at Rockville. All these reports about Tori Pines is making me very nervous. If it's going to be windy, if Frankie can't even break 90, I feel like I got a big number coming for me at Tori Pines. But yeah, I'm obviously going to try my hardest to break 100.

probably not going to happen at Torrey Pines or Olympic. And I know there's the idea of me doing a Breaking 100 video series is something we've all talked about. It's something that the viewers on YouTube have suggested a lot. And now we are doing that. We're going to do that. Me and Jake Bass are going down to Eatonton, Georgia, I believe it is. And I am going to train with one John Tilly.

JT. You guys, the listeners might be familiar with him. He is Kevin Kisner's swing coach. and he has offered his services to me for reasons that I don't quite understand, and he is going to try to help me break 100, and we are going to document the entire thing. I'm going down there. It'll be in a couple weeks.

It'll be early May. He's got a whole spot down there. He's got a bunch of bays. He's got everything I need, everything I should need to help me on the path to break 100, and I'm going to train with him for a few days, and then I'm going to keep checking out on him. I'm going to try to break 100 at a few courses over the course of the summer, and we're going to hopefully it works out.

Are you not, are you going to Olympic and, um, Tori prior to these meetings? Yes. Okay. That's a problem. But I'm very, very excited to see how he dissects your game, not your swing. Will he implement things into your game that make you break 100 before completely changing your swing, right? Like there must be things that you do that get you out of holes.

I mean, you, are you famous? make eights and nines and shoot up i mean at rockville you made like three sevens and shot a hundred and four if you just eliminate like whatever stupidness you did on the other stupidity you did on the other side of the hole while we weren't paying attention you just shoot like a 96 like there's no problem 96 so i wonder how he's gonna like you guys are going to play around right you have to he has to see the way you play golf is my point and i have a nice buttery swing i talked to him on the phone about a week ago and i i asked him how much of my swing have you seen and he said very little. So he is going to have to just watch me play and dissect it from there. In terms of,

is he going to do things like a quick fix to help me break 100 and then we'll dive deeper into restructuring my swing or making big changes? That I don't know. That's up to him and I'm sure we'll talk about it when I get there. I would prefer, honestly, not to do quick fixes. I would like something that I'm going to just take with me the whole way. And then once I break 100, I break 100. I don't want to do Band-Aids, break 100, and then just tear the entire thing down. That's what I don't want to do.

I was going to, I think your lack of ability to break 100 to most people when they watch videos is baffling because it doesn't sync up with how it appears you're playing the round. Like very frequently, it's like Trent's the all-star of this round. He's crushing it. And then they add it up to him.

I was like, what Trent shoot? It's like, oh, he shot 103 or 105. And it's like, how did that happen? So even myself, I go back and think, I'm like, how did Trent get to that high of a number? Because you hit a lot of fairways. You hit it pretty straight. You're a really good putter, especially for somebody who hasn't broken 100.

So it doesn't compute. So I think, like, to Frankie's point, I'm very curious what he's going to target because it feels like whether it's strategically, mindset, whatever, that it wouldn't, it's like it doesn't take a groundbreaking change for you to start posting like 95. If you just went out and played tomorrow and you hit. every fairway and you posted oh yeah trench shot 94 i wouldn't be stunned to be like yeah it sounds about right i think there's a couple things that i personally know about my game that i wish i could fix i wish i could my bunker play was better i die in a bunker i die in a bunker there's i forget where we were

in Vegas i just died in another bunker like i think we were filming me for 15 minutes like i just couldn't get out where like it was it was a nightmare my irons are still pretty inconsistent like the main tip for the last couple of years that I've been applying is the Kisner Knuckle Tip and that has improved my iron play dramatically from where it was but it's still super inconsistent and I don't necessarily know where my irons are going and what was the third one I had one more oh I would really love to have more distance on my drives my drives my drives I just I kiss them out there and they go nowhere they go like 2 30 and I think if I were able to um you know straightened my drive out a little bit. I know it's a strong part of my game. I hit a lot of

fairways, but you do lose something when you don't have much distance on your driver. So I would like to get a little bit longer there. But if I were to clean up some of those things, I think I'd break 100 pretty quickly. Yeah, chasing a little distance out there. You know, that's not, that's not too uncommon. Yeah, yeah, I'm entering the race with Bryson now. I have a professional swing coach. I'm, I'm in John Tiller's stable now along with Kevin Kisner and Ricky Fowler. So I'm just in there now and I'm chasing distance. I think that this is one of the more anticipated series that we've ever done. I'm, you know, because we, look, we joke around.

We like to make people laugh. Sometimes we hover a little bit more around like the surface. And this is going to be digging deep beneath the surface, getting into like technical approaches, how to, how to improve your game, how to just get better, how to shave strokes off, which every person that plays golf, every person that's a fan of golf plays golf. We talk about that a lot, right? like if you're a big football fan, you don't go out and play football on the weekends. You're not working on like your fucking outroutes and stuff. Like you're,

you're, if you're a golf fan, you're very into golf. You're reading golf digest. You're reading like instructional stuff. You're watching YouTube videos like we talk about with Nate Progazzi. And now we're going to have our very own guy take that to the next level with a PGA tour, you know,

Ricky Fowler, Kevin Kisner. Like some of these guys, uh, you as many Ricky Shea shots as we take. Like, you know, these guys are some of the top 50,

100 players in the world at the game of golf and this and j t works with them and now he's just going to be applying what he learned to our very own trent ryan it's very excited i'm very excited honestly i think i'm hoping it'll be very instructional for me which i'm sure will be i'm hoping it'll be instructional for the viewer hopefully they can if their game is similar to mine i have a lot of people reach out to me constantly and dm is being like my game is just like yours like i understand the pains of being super shitty at golf like hopefully people who those people can will be able to watch these videos, take something away from it, improve their game. And I just honestly, like, I want to be better.

I want to be so much better at golf. I'm honestly sick and tired of showing up to these events that we go to. Or when everyone, when, like, Frankie and I play around or when we all play around, and I'm just by far the worst golfer in the group. Like, that's infuriating. I'd like to close that gap a little bit. And JT seems very into it. I'm very, very into it.

I'm excited to get down there and start working. And, yeah, it's going to be great. He said we're going to split the days up with we're going to train. And then he's also going to take me out. And we're going to do some like Eatington, Georgia shenanigans at the lake or something. I don't know what all that is. But we're going to film the whole thing. We're going to put it out eventually.

But I'm very excited. I think it's going to be great. I think once it happens, it's floodgates. I think you become just a sick golfer. I think once you get over that hump, there's no coming back. Like you'll just be a very solid, go out there, have fun, shoot a decent score kind of golfer. There's no more extreme blowups. Like you'll never see the 122s and the 114s that we're accustomed to seeing when we play these hard golf courses because you're just going to, I'm really excited to see how he applies like your buttery swing to just scoring better.

Because like you're in such a different situation than me with scoring. Like I genuinely can't hit a wedge. I just can't fucking do it. And I actually think I need to go see someone not like I need to see Jesus, like someone that's close to God. because at this point, dude, I stood over on short ranges and like chipping areas

and I've been like, all right, dude, like there's no one here anymore. There's no cameras. There's no funny business. No ha-ha's. No he-his. Let's just fucking chip this golf ball

into that green, right? We have 10 of them right here. A couple little pellets, a couple little bullets. Let's get those things on the fucking green. And I just can't do it, man. Yesterday, before the greet, before the round,

I just fucking, I just fucking put 20 balls down. I didn't get one on the green. I chunk 20 in a row. And I looked around, no one saw me. I was by myself, no one around me. And I just laughed. I'm like, this is a fucking joke.

So I'll be very interested to see how he can take your score down. So everyone look forward to that series. It's going to be great one. I can't wait. I want to get the music involved in that with like intense, like dramatic. Like, Will Trent do it? And like, like, let's see how, let's see how he applies this amazing tip. Will he do it next week on Breaking 100?

It's just like, let's fucking go, Trent. People are going to be on the edge of their seats. We'll be bringing you in for the music on that video. No doubt about it. You're our John Williams. Well, look, playing good golf is, you could argue that that's a gift. And we've got Mother's Day coming up. And whether she prefers a statement piece or everyday subtle elegance,

blue nile.com has fine jewelry for every mom. Mark Mother's Day was something enduring. from textured gold to multi-color gemstones and classic pearls. You can shop this season's stunning trends on blue nile.com. It's nice to get somebody a nice gift, huh, Frankie? Dude, I've got a little story, which is this is incredible. So my dad- You raised your hand, you were so much.

Yeah. Dude, my fucking dad, my dad is one-of-a-kind, man. The guy makes his own rules in golf. He does all these things. He's unbelievable. And what he did the other day with my mom is something that I just, only he could do. So this is why he should have went to Blue Nile because the guy is a mess. It's my mom's birthday.

It's right before Mother's Day. And he buys her new ear. He wants to buy our new earrings, right? So he goes and he finds these nice earrings. You know, it's been a tough year for everyone. He's like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to get nice earrings for her. It's like we're going to do, this is nice.

It's the new year. It's 2021, the whole thing. So he goes in there and he finds this deal where it's like these like three-carat, diamond earrings for only like 1999. It's like like 1,000, 99 and 99 bucks, right? And he's like, oh my God, these are usually like

7 grand, 8 grand. This is amazing. I found an incredible, maybe even more, 10 grand, 15 grand. He's like, I found an unbelievable deal. So he swipes the card, the company, that Borelli's card. He's like, I'm doing it. Whatever. It is what it is. I'm spending the money. So he gives her these earrings. She's like, holy

shit, these things are unbelievable. Like they're huge. They barely spit on her ears. They barely fit on ears. They're hanging off her earlobes. She's like, I can't even wear these things, Frank. She's like, what did you buy me? These are unbelievable. So he's like, all right, we'll take them back and you'll like, you'll see if you can refit you. You'll see if you can refit you. So they're like talking to the jeweler and she takes them and he goes, you know what? We're going to swap these for something a little bit smaller. And she goes, well, you can't like, you can't do that.

Like that's not a fair swap. Turns out he didn't buy one thousand nine hundred ninety nine $29,000. He bought $19,99 earrings by accident. And the lady goes, sir, I don't know what to tell you. You bought $20,000 earrings. He goes, he almost had a heart attack in the fucking... He almost had a heart attack inside the fucking jewelry store. Now, if you worked with Blue Nile, this never would have been a problem. But you know the way they write the fucking things and the shady

people at these jewelry stores? They didn't tell this 61-year-old man that's just like scrapping together some pennies to like try and do something really nice for his 60th birthday he's like 20,000 the lady's like I can't get I can't exchange these I can't give you your money back you made the mistake and she had closed the door on him he's sitting there being like I'm now homeless like what what is happening what what is hello hello she goes in the back and they have like a discussion and I mean thank God somehow someone talks and sent into these people and they let them return them because she'd only warn him for like a day but she ripped up the receipt.

Can you believe the feeling on that fucking man with all that he's been through this year? That almost gave me a heart attack. I just had $20,000 on earrings. He's like he couldn't. And he's telling me the story. He's laughing so hard that he, like he was nervously laughing. Right.

Could you believe it? Can you believe I did this? Like, that's just money that is unconceivable amount of money to be spending on earrings right now. And it's just, it happened on a day that he was trying to do something nice. And it, and it's just

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Today, when this show comes out, we're adding a stop. Lake Charles, Louisiana. We were supposed to go there last year. COVID was spiking in the area, so we had to cancel it, and there was our little hurricane. So we're finally going back.

We just decided we're adding that. It's June 10th so people can go to barstleclastic.com, sign up. Hopefully it's not sold out by the time you get this. But noon, eastern on Tuesday, that is going live. So you can sign up. Speaking of Barstville Classic, we were in Atlanta on Thursday, Friday.

And I just wanted to say that we went to a Braves game. First, like, sporting event that I've been to, you know, since COVID and everything happened. And Truis Park is awesome. And we were talking a lot about, you know, knocking off ballparks, I feel like is really, I mean, golf courses and ballpark. Like, if you go to NFL stadiums, nobody really cares. If you go to, like, hockey, NHL rinks, I don't think anybody really cares. Going to cool ballparks is great. and Truis, you know, was only about four or five years old.

They got the battery, they built it up. It was fantastic to just go to a game. I was saying we had like three beers before we even got to our seats because we were so excited. Just have a beer, have a hot dog, be at a game. It felt a little bit like we were back. I think they had like 33% capacity. But, you know, we've talked a lot about because we have musicians, musicians on the show. Almost said magicians, which is very different.

We would love that. suggestions on the show if they want to come on. We've had them at the classic. That fucking... That wizard. What's that kid's name? Lucas. Slitherin?

He freaked. It's funny. My phone just like pops up old pictures onto it sometimes. Like if I scroll too much, an old picture pops up. And I had one, speaking of Mr. Borelli, of Frankie and Mr. Borelli, just sitting at a table at Cherry Valley trying to figure out what Lucas was doing. They were just deep in thought. They just couldn't believe it. I just popped into my head.

Frankie wanted to like burn him at the steak, I think. My dad made me walk away with him. And under, he like, as we're walking, he's talking under his breath. He goes, I just don't know how he's fucking doing it. I just, he goes, I really want to figure that one out. But it was just, on a general note, you know, we've said, like, we can't wait for shows to come back. We can't wait for concerts to come back so you can just be out. It just felt, fellas, like,

the most freeing, like being outside, the sun was setting as the game was, it was, nobody cared, like, yeah, they were playing the Marlins and they ended up losing. Nobody cared. Everybody was just happy to be outside. So it just felt good to be at a ballpark and to see a game. And Truis Park was really sweet.

Yeah, man, ballparks are great, you know? They're just fucking great. The sound of the bat on the ball. Yes. Just the idea of guys jogging on the outfield grass and tossing the baseball. I love nothing more. I used to love nothing more.

I believe when I was younger, it was Jorge and Jeter used to do it. But then as I got older, it was Robbie Canoe and Derek Jeter on the foul line before the game. They'd go out there and they'd just warm up real quick. It would be like right before they went on to the field. And the view of how they would throw

would be so fucking smooth. And the ball would never go down. It would never decrease in its plane. It would always hit the glass. love at a perfect line driving. I used to love the way that looked. And it'd make that noise and they were just, God, and Jeter would go all the way out to like the fucking short porch and toss it home.

And just the best feeling being at a baseball park. It really is the best feeling. Dude, and like in Atlanta, I tweeted this out. The people were just so nice. Like we were with, you know, Ian and Nick who, who you guys know who run the classic. So they go to a bunch of the stops with us. And we just, every person, like, you know, when you roll out and they're kind of the usher helps you like, oh yeah, your seats are over there. Every person was like asking us where we're

from and like telling a story. And it just was like, it just felt good to have some positivity to be outside, to be at the game. People were nice. And then my other big takeaway from Atlanta was there's just master's gear everywhere. And we, you know, like we're used to when you go to, you know, a course in the tri-state area, especially because the PGA was at Bethpage in 2019. There's like Bethpage gear everywhere. You see everyone's rocking. Beth Page, PGA Championship type gear when we have the classics, whether it's at Cherry Valley or just anywhere

kind of in the tri-state area, we see Beth Page gear all the time. And I just didn't, like, obviously the Masters is in fucking Augusta, Georgia, but I didn't really process it. Right away, it was just everyone had Masters gear. Every single person was rocking Masters gear, which was cool because you don't, it's hard

to get, you know, unless you go to the Masters, you can't get Masters gear, so you don't see it that often when you do what sticks out, but it was very much in my of like every person that rolled up to the tea at the classic, a bunch of people that we saw at the ballpark just had master's gear. And it's interesting how it's just different. Like I imagine there'll be a ton of, you know, like Torrey Pines gear when we're out west

because that's like the people's course of that area and like the main kind of venue. And it's cool like regionally to just see who has what gear and how much that means to the area. Real quick, I was searching the internet because I'm on a little crewneck kick right now. I just think crew necks are cool. Like finding throwback crew necks. I bought an Islander one that I can't wait to unveil. It's not really throwback, but it's just a cool crewneck. And I was looking online and I saw a crewneck master's one.

And now I can't find it again. But would that be something where it's like you weren't there when they sold that? And it's like old school and it's almost buying someone's used one. Like is that acceptable when it comes to Augusta and the Masters? If I rock that thing out to a bar, everyone's going to ask me like, holy fuck. Where did you get that thing? It's like, well, I just bought it off eBay. that's not as fun.

You know, we've talked about it a good amount on this show, like the proper, you know, is it weird to wear stuff from places you haven't played or tournaments you weren't at? And we've, I think we've almost all fallen on like, yeah, I don't love like wearing something from or having something for a place I haven't been. I do think maybe Augusta is a very rare exception because it's so hard to get stuff.

And like if your dad or your friend or somebody goes and like brings you back something, That's like, oh, I know, I know somebody who went and it's a little different, but I do think. Yeah, no, here's here's here's here's. Here's two questions. I have one question. Do you did the crew neck have the year on? I don't think so.

It was just like it was like it was like, it was almost like that cream color and it was a green across. It said Augusta. It was fucking sick. I think going there one time allows you to wear anything from there at any time. And I would even go as far as to lie to someone about the crew neck. If they said, where did you get? I would say I got it at the Augusta gift shop because I have been to a master's which is true. I love it. I will try and find that and if I can't, if you're a listener and you have a cool

crew neck from Augusta National, I would like to have that. I'm a medium or a large trending towards a large. I didn't, this is making me think that I or realize that I just did not buy enough master stuff when I went. Oh, not even close dude. I bought that one. It's awesome, but it's that blue, that really cool blue quarter zip and it's just my tits and my stomach pop out of it I barely wear it anymore because it's just not the right it's not the right feel

I don't even know if it was Peter Millar at the time like I was just dumb and it's just like I don't even know what you know it's just not good The only thing that I have that I see on a regular basis that I bought the Masters is in my coffee mug that I bought and I see it and I'm like that thing's fucking sweet

but I would love just way more master's stuff Robbie Foxx's like straw hat like that thing's sick and yeah that like quarters zip that Robbie Fox bought. That's he, that picture, he just looks like the Masters in that picture. He just is the Master. And he famously says, and it's true

that that was the first golf course that he ever went to, was Augustine Ashman, which infuriates a good portion of the golf community, but it makes me laugh every time. Yeah, he just had like a free Masters badge for the week and just walked around Augustine was like, yeah, this place is pretty beautiful. It's just tossing that badge around.

Like, is this thing important? Like, do these things matter? You know what? This leads me to something else, and it doesn't necessarily have to matter with specifically the masters. But I need more golf pro shops to offer hoodies and crew necks. We were out, we were out West for the Vegas travel series. And every single pro shop that I went into, I went in there looking for some sort of sweatshirt, some sort of crew neck. Like, yeah, I'll buy a quarter zip, but we got a billion quarters dips now that I have in my closet. I want more hoodies and crew necks.

And golf courses just don't have those. I think it'd be an easy, easy thing for them to sell that tons of people would buy. I think the hoodie is maybe the most in thing right now in the world. Like it's just at when Colin Moracawa, who's not even, you know, we always talk about how polished and mature and like he looked phenomenal in that hoodie that he rocked. I think it was like Friday. He just looked cool. They got such a good look.

They're fun to play. They're cozy to play in. They don't, like, restrict you. And they're just in. I think a lot of courses that I've talked to because you're right. When you go in there, it's like the merch team is pretty set in their ways. If you order, like, polos and quarter zips, that's just what golf people wear. But I have talked to a few of them.

I think it was at Southern Pines when we were in North Carolina last week. And they're saying, like, yeah, we do, we order the hoodies and they sell out in like a day. They can't even keep them in the shop because they're so in. So I think you're right. I think Kroenks, I think casual wear is just more in golf. Dude, for an example, I have a, when we went to Tobacco Road, I bought a Tobacco Road Hedy. I wear that thing all the fucking time. And it's just, Tobacco Road's got such a sweet logo.

And if more courses did that, I would buy a hoodie at every single course we go to. Because I just, I love that Tobacco Road hoodie. And maybe it is that rigs that they have them that the courses we've been to and they just sell out. But just start ordering more, casual wear, hoodies, crunecks. Because that's the kind of stuff. At least that's the stuff that I want to wear. You'll want to wear quarters dips and polos forever, but I'll also want to wear. crew necks and hoodies forever yeah like if you want to market your course like people have golf outfits

right you're you're attending that golf course in a golf outfit give me a option to take something home and to like wear something to dinner that night where it's like oh i'm just going to grab a beer with buddies like oh like i'm not going to probably wear a quarter zip i'm not going to wear a polo from that course like i want to take something back that i can show off your golf course not on the golf course because if someone's already there they've already done the deed there's no promotion there you're inside the pro shop. Like, let me, let me wear something on the street of like, whatever, La Jolla and say, oh, yeah, I just was at Torrey Pines. Like, oh, you guys just, like, you know what I mean? It's, it's a lot more casual. It's, that's who you should be appealing to. It should be casual wear. You also, you get repped. You're right. Like, if you buy a legitimately

golf specific item, polo or a quarter zip, like, you maybe get to rock it like once a month, maybe. And especially if it's adequate. Especially if it's a core specific piece of merchandise. Like, for us, the barstool golf stuff, I wear that. I wear that. Barcelona golf stuff to like Easter or wear it to wherever. You really can't rock like, I mean, I guess you can, but like the core specific ones are so like dedicated to playing golf where it's like a Bethpage black polo. I'm going to wear when I play golf. Like you need more casual. That's why I love what we're doing with Peter Malar where like some stuff is just so minimalistic

where it's just like a really nice color cordisip and you can wear that anywhere. You can wear that out to get drinks. You can do it. Like that's what these places have to do. When we go to these pro shots, I agree, Trent. It's a nightmare to find something that you really want to wear out. Like that's why you're in that pro shop. It's like, oh, I'm here on fucking vacation.

And I could really use a shirt for like tonight or a fucking, you know, we're about to hang out around the hotel around a fire. What am I going to wear there? And like, I'd be so sick to get this golf course on a fucking hoodie or a crew neck to sit there and drink a beer. Piner's does it? I've got a sweet Piner's crew neck that right now I'm unfortunately too fat to wear. I've gotten too large to wear it.

But if I drop like 10 pounds, it's the might be the best crew neck that I own. It just says piner's across the front like a red and blue. loose streaks and it's like every time I wear people are like that thing is sweet like I a pinehurst quarters of a pinnors polo those things are sweet too but if you want something that you can just go out and have a few beers in like that thing that's it there's almost nothing better no that's it you're right that is just it I want to go real quick back to um when we were talking about the feeling of being inside a ballpark barstool chief frankie i'll go back we do that's barstle chief um what the hell is that guy's real

name. Ryan? Yeah. Ryan. Okay. I love Ryan. I think his, I think his takes are great. I think him on Dog Walk with Eddie is great. The Chicago crew is just an awesome crew. They're just an incredibly likable crew. I was texting with Chief Earl earlier today, actually. He's a guy I text when I find new, like, country artists that I like. Because he's big into that, like, Sturgle Simpson, Tyler Childers. Coulterwall. Yeah, Coulterwall. I just started listening to today, Zach Bryant. He just popped up on my Spotify and I texted Chief. And he actually texted me back. He was like, I'm

listening to Luke Bryan right now. But that was, or Zach Brian, I'm sorry. But yeah, that whole crew is great. They're just fantastic. They get it. Their old school barstool, they just like to argue. They like the debate and they stick by their word, which I love. One of the things that Ryan, Barstall Chief said,

he actually tweeted out like, what is the best feeling and what is similar to walking out of the tunnel and seeing the green grass of a baseball field, right? It's not like a moment. I saw a lot of responses to his tweet where it was like, oh, I walk off home run.

That's not what he's asking. He's asking like, what is even on the same playing field as walking through that tunnel and seeing the green grass of a baseball field? Because everyone knows exactly what I'm talking about. Yeah, very few. There's very few things that are in there.

Like, you know, I'm trying to relate it to golf, but it's not the same because when you arrive at a golf of course you can kind of see everything from like the parking lot or you have a pretty good idea. Maybe a very rare case of a reveal where you like walk through the pro the pro shop or the clubhouse and then you go on like a back patio and you're like, whoa. But that's not, that's rare that it would have that kind of setup. Usually you don't get, usually it happens over several minutes and it's not the same thing as walking out of a tunnel. So I can't even think of one right now. So mine was you're inside a hockey arena and it's a massive game, most likely playoffs and the lights go out.

prior to the game starting. The idea and the act of the lights going out is such a feeling that you can put yourself right back in that stadium. I don't know about you, Trent, but I know Riggs can't, where you're like, holy fuck. It's like a holy fuck feeling of the lights are out. Something's about to play on the scoreboard, and it's like the lights are going to start going around.

That feeling of seeing those lights go out to me brings you back to that moment. I can feel it. I can taste it. I can smell it. It's crazy. That's the only one that's similar. I would say you're right, because the lights going out means like it's go time.

We've been, we've been fucking around a little bit. We're throwing popcorn. Guys are flipping pucks around in warmups. That's cute. And when the lights go out, it's like, all right, motherfuckers, focus. It's go time. And that's, yeah.

So you almost get like the chills. I would say, like we used to say in college all the time, the best pump up song in the world is the national anthem. So I kind of start thinking. And I, like, that brought me back being at the, the game being at Truis Park.

That was the first time in so long because even I've been to, like we were at the U.S. Open. We had a few sporting events, but there weren't really fans there. When they like played the national anthem and everybody's standing there and that again kind of like work like it kind of, um, calibrates everybody to think like, oh, it's about time to do the thing now. Like it's go time.

Uh, so the national anthem for me kind of brings me back where you can hear it. You can smell it. You can like sense that it's happening. and it's about time. But I do think the lights going out in an ice rink is a really good comparison. Yeah. I don't know anything else that's even similar. I mean, football may be seeing the green grass also, like if you're a huge football fan.

But yeah, I don't know. Tweet it at us if we missed any. Yeah, I haven't been to like. But like before Iowa games at Kinnick Stadium, they do, the team comes out to back in black. But I don't know if that's similar to what you're saying. Like it's, that's like a thing that happens. not, I don't know. I guess that's similar.

That would be mine. That's like, they just sprint out to that song. That's the only thing that I can think of. But you are right, or Chief is right, or whoever said it, that like when you get to a baseball stadium and you walk out that first time and you just see it, like that's almost unmas. Dude, my first time I ever

went to Fenway, and I'm a huge Yankees fan and obviously hate the fucking Red Sox, but Fenway, I got a huge respect for. My first time I ever went to Fenway, I wanted to legitimately gather myself before I made the walk up the tunnel to see like the green monster and everything that I'd always wanted to see in there. You see the movies.

You see the fucking everything. It's such a movie scene of walking up that hallway. And I remember legitimately like stopping my crew that I was being like, all right, like, we're just willy-nilly walking into this, like, let's all just relax for a second in this hallway for a second. And I remember everyone was like, all right. Like, that's true. And we kind of took a deep breath and we walked up the fucking hallway.

And we saw, we walked right behind home plate and saw all of Fenway Park with the green monster and they were having batting practice and it was such a cool such a cool moment that i hate that it's a red sox thing but how can you not how can you not fall in love with just the idea of baseball and the green monster and all that stuff so fuck man that is i i don't even know if the the lights going out is even comparable no me and me and my brother and our buddies we used to go to rigley every year and we'd sit in the bleachers and just drink all day that was like the most fun ever but yeah you walk the first time you walk out and you're on the bleachers and you just see all of Wrigley Field, like there's no feeling that can match that.

Dude, us going to Augusta and seeing the whole course from that, like, pavilion, seeing Juan and you can see just out there was a, oh, fuck, moment, but also it's Augusta National. It's so, like, yeah, obviously have to be there to experience that. You can get that feeling of walking out to a baseball field anywhere. Yeah, I would say Augusta is just like it's one of a kind, whereas you can get any game, But that, like, you know, the story that Trent and I always tell is, like, we were there that first day together and walking down and seeing the 12th hole in Amen corner for the first time. Like, we didn't say a word to each other for who knows how long.

We just stood there and we're like, oh, that's it. Like, that we're just looking at it. And we're just part of what's happening right now. Like, we're out here at Augusta National and looking around was unlike anything else. But that's, you know, maybe, like when you do go to a really iconic golf course and you see, I think it's really cool when you. see holes that you've seen before but never in person in being able to sort of like place where you are and understand that oh that's you know like when i saw the 18th green at torrey pines for the first time where like tiger made that put i remember seeing it in real life and being like almost

like speechless like oh my god that's we're there that's the thing or seeing the iwin green when we like played sawgrass for the first time like you come down 16 and you're like oh my god they're like it's actually in real life that exists and i'm seeing it so i think maybe that's kind of similar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is very similar. I mean, it's a, yeah, it's a moment that you can just like, you can literally feel it as you talk about it.

And that's the tunnel coming out there to a baseball stadium. It's the feeling of the lights going out. It's walking through Augusta. Yeah, it's, I'm sure there's a couple that we may be missing. And hopefully someone will be screaming out of some DMs or whatever. It's like, how did you not mention this? But, I mean, I can't think of one off the top of my head. So, yeah, it was a good discussion by Chief.

It is a good one. That's really good. That's a hard thing to replicate. I was trying to think about holidays, like whether it's Thanksgiving or like Christmas more. If you can, if I could come up with something that that puts me in that place. But I don't know there's any one specific clear moment, right? Like we don't, I was trying to think if we like somebody rings a dinner bell for Thanksgiving or something, but we don't do anything like that. It's kind of just like happens. Thanksgiving happens in the course of the day. Speaking of feelings and holidays, I felt like like Christmas hasn't felt like Christmas in a while. I don't know if. that's just because I'm getting older. But you know that feeling of just Christmas being like, all right. Like the last couple of years, I've legitimately said to like family, like, I'm going to enjoy Christmas this year. I'm going to get into it. I'm going to like watch the movies. I'm going to listen to the music.

And then it just kind of like comes and goes. The northeast like snowstorm in December 2nd and it lasts until like it's not there anymore. It's fucking 65 degrees. And it's like, you're. You're like, what is happening? I honestly think weather is a huge part of it. Like, I know it's a little bit like, oh, yeah, we used to walk uphill both ways of school kind of thing. But I feel like it was always colder and, like, snowy for the most part when I was a kid.

And that just brought you into Christmas. I think it's age. I think it's purely straightforward age. I mean, I'm with you because nobody loved Christmas more than me as a kid. Like when you're five to 11 years old, Christmas time is. legitimately magic. There's legitimately magic in the air because you probably still believe in Santa Claus. You just get excited and everyone else gets excited, the music, the movies, and then you get older and you realize that it's just another day. It's a lie. Not only is it a lie,

but it's very much just another day. And I'm with you. Like, I try. I make a point every year. I'm going to start listening to Christmas music, you know, right after Thanksgiving or whenever you find it appropriate. I'm going to watch all the movies. And even, even that like dies out eventually. And it's just like, it's just another day. And it sucks. But it, because Christmas is the one holiday where you do feel like you can put yourself back in those places when you were a kid. And then you get older and you watch the kids go through it. And you're like, oh, I'm just an adult now. Man, I'm getting fucking depressed right now. Like, there's just no, there's no way Christmas will ever be the same. It's just, dude, I search for it, man. You try. You try. You. You

really reach for it. And I've done it too, but you just never get the same feeling. Do you remember we went to Australia and we were there, you know, in December and we just realized that their Christmas is in the middle of summer. Oh, that was brutal. That sucked. That was, they had like, they're selling snowmen decorations and stuff. We were like, what are you guys doing? I mean, people in Florida, like legitimately just like, they, they put fucking lights on their palm trees. Arizona does the same thing. I was going to say that Matt started, I started, I started, started thinking about that because I'm looking outside. I'm like, I'm in the middle of the desert. Like, I can't have Christmas here. I got to leave every year. I also think a part of it with the weather

is revisionist history because I think if you went back and you were like, how many days, how many Christmases when I was a kid had snow on the ground during him? And I bet it'd be way fewer than you remember. Like now you just, you're so conscious of everything that you very much know when it's Christmas and there's no snow on the ground. But as a kid, you just, you grab all the good ones and you cover you say that they were all like that when I doubt that they were I think I think we can make a better effort though I really do I think us individually can have a better effort and this is a bizarre conversation to be having on April 19th the fact that like we're about to go in summer gives us time let us all make a pack to ourselves and to each other that this year we will strive to enjoy the

christmas time right regardless of what you believe in it's still but it's still the season it's the season's greetings, the seasons of giving, everything in that moment. Let's just soak it in, right? Because I remember, I don't know if it was this year or last year. Definitely not this year, because this year saw. But I really got into Halloween. I went to a couple Halloween parties. I got a couple, I watched a bunch of Halloween movies.

I was getting all spooky. Like, it was like, it was definitely 2019. But yeah, I remember being like, that was Halloween. How spooky were you getting? It was getting spooky, man. You know, because it was just getting fucking spooky. I remember I bought like a fog machine for my friend's house and like everyone that walked in. They walked through the fog and the lights were off.

That was Halloween. I remember after, I remember in November, I was like, that was fucking Halloween, man. Yeah. So you fucking did Halloween. When can we start though gearing up for Christmas? Like right after. December 1st. Okay.

All right. December 1st, maybe we'll all buy one of those advent calendars where you get 25 boxes of chocolate. You know, the little doors. My friends send them to me. Sometimes they're boobs. Do you ever see those where you open it up? It's just like different types of booby shake at you. Those are fun.

But let's do something like that. Maybe we'll make our own little advent calendar for golf. And every time you open up a door, it's another one of our stupid faces. Yes. Look, I'm in on this pack. The Fourplay podcast is going to bring it for Christmas 2020. Yes.

Yes. I like it. I'm in with that. We are going to fucking bring it. And if we don't remember to do that, this is on you now, the listener, and the watcher on YouTube, which our YouTube page is exploding, by the way.

We just got verified. You guys need to hold us accountable, right? If you don't see things starting to pick up around December 1, December 2, I want this clip sent back to me being like, where the fucker your, where's your Rudolph, the red-nosed reindeer, like, little nose, and where are your antlers? And where's your jolly green smile?

I don't know why I'm going to have, by December 1st, okay, I'm going to have a Christmas tree. I'm going to have that fucking thing all decorated. I might get crazy and get those antlers from my car, you know, those like reindeer antlers. Oh, my God. Let's just do it. Do it. Let's be huge Christmas guys this year.

Go out to dinners and drink eggnog and like wear sweater vests and like little fucking turtlenecks and go out and maybe you go to a church one night and like just see people singing. And let's like do real Christmas stuff. Let's go see the tree. Hopefully they have the tree back in New York City. Go ice skating outside. Drink some hot cocoa. Like really get into it early so that when Christmas comes is like, wow, I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted from how much Christmas we just did, man.

We do got to be a little bit careful Because I think like you we don't we're not trying to be the political crew That's like trying to bring Christmas back We're no we're just about the fun and the and the festivities of Yeah Christmas we're not I want people think they tuned into something a little different here But we are we're gonna bring it for Christmas I'm I couldn't be more in on that I think that's a good

That's also just a good brand to have that we're huge Christmas guys Huge and like you said it's not religious Christmas is beyond it's just a fun It's a feeling. Yes. Right. It's magic. I mean, it's just magic in the air.

I got to tell you, it's not going to be that hard for me because I just love Christmas and having an excuse to just blow it out for Christmas. I'm very into that idea. You know who's going to be the most excited person about this development is my mom. My mom loves Christmas. She listens to this show. I know she's out there right now. And she's, like, I bet she's running downstairs into the storage room now.

Like, boy, have I got some surprises for you guys for your new Christmas? Yeah, she's going to be fired up. So I'm in. Another thing that everybody should be fired up about, by the way, and be all in on is the Barstool Golf Time app. I've seen a lot of people. We had tens of thousands of people downloaded the app. It's great.

It is, you know, we, all of us on this show, we grew up, none of us were country club guys. We weren't members anywhere. We got into golf by just going, finding public courses with, you know, the best rate, with the best reviews, whatever you could possibly find. It used to be. You just had to go on different websites. or you just have to call the shop all the time and be like, hey, how's your course?

Can we come out and play it? Well, we have curated the Barstville Golf Time app for booking tea times, and we are focused on getting reviews up there, on, you know, making it so that when you click on a course, people can upload photos, videos, you know, they rate the course and they go through and, you know, tell you what that golf course experience is like, and it's going to be like-minded folks like you who like golf, you know what they're looking for. We're going to be in there all the time. We're uploading as much as we can.

There's going to be a reward system that we're rolling out very soon. So the more T-Times that you book using the Barstool Golf Time app, you're going to get discounts. You're going to get free rounds. You're going to get merchandise, very exclusive merchandise. So go download the Barstle Golf Time app. We have our own T-time app, fellas. It's an unbelievable app.

You know, we can use the U-WIR as much as we can because it's an advertisement for our own app. I mean, it's something that you should just have. And we're saying that we're going to have all these rewards and these benefits for downloading it. And I think getting in there early will benefit you to receive those rewards. You don't want to be late to the game. You want to get your reviews in. You want to get your T-Times book. We will reward the people that do the most on the app.

We do the same thing with the one-by-it app where we actually take what people that have done. I'm sorry, let me just restart that over. We start that sentence. Do that sentence over here. When people have done a lot of, When people actually do a lot of things, and see, I'm not using good enough words here. That's where I'm struggling.

You just not piecing it together. No, I'm just, I'm really struggling here. I'm really, really struggling here. When you do a lot within that app, we will, you know, it's just something that we're going to notice, you know? Like, we're going to see that. When on the One Bite app, when you have a ton of reviews, Dave and I will look at that.

I'm like, oh, this guy's got 55 reviews. This guy knows what the fuck he's talking about. Let's see what this guy said. That's something that we take into. to account more than Joe Schmoe, who just downloaded the app, doesn't have any activity going on. There we go. Take it away, fellas. I'm done.

You got there. You did great. Yeah. Rastal Golf Time app. Go download it. Go use it. Go book your T-T times with it. Stuart Sink.

So, Stuart Sink, 47 years old, started the tournament with back-to-back 63s and had a million shot lead held on. He's got his son on the bag, which is really cool. Anytime Stewart Sink does anything, though, you know, I obviously, in bald, completely shave it now. So I saw Trent tweets out the picture of Stewart Sink, the famous picture with the hat, tan line, and then I just get tagged over and over again because I've had the Stewart Sink. And it's tough.

When you got the full shave, it's like when you're on the golf course, you know, you don't want to get your head burned like crazy. But if you don't have the hat on, then you just get a hat basically like tattooed onto your head because, you know, you get the tan outline. But Stewart Sink always brings up that picture. Seems like a super nice guy. And it gives everybody hope. When you're 47, you go out there and win, I think it's the second win this wrap around season. It gives everybody hope that your 47.

We talk about distance. Price is hitting a mile. The game's going to pass everybody by. Well, Stuart Singh just went out and pretty much lap the field. Yeah, I tweeted that picture out. I was stunned by how many people thought it was from yesterday or from Sunday. Everyone was thinking, like, yeah, they thought that that was a new picture. That's one of the most iconic pictures in golf history.

I'd put it up there with just about any other picture because it's so preposterous. Riggs, what's your sink? level right now. Are you pretty even or you? No, pretty even because I go, I think, that's pretty good. Yeah, I usually try to, somebody told me that you need to go like, try to go a third of the round at least without a hat on and that then it'll tan relatively evenly. So I do, I do, I think I'm doing pretty good right now, but it's also easier because I live in the desert, which is sunny every day. So anytime if I have a bad run, I can pretty much just go outside the next day for an hour or so. Yeah. Get a little, get a little color going on this

thing. Yeah, that looks pretty even. The backbacked 63s from sync were stunning, and stunning to the point where you realize that nobody else in the tournament reached 16 under all week. Like if he had just taken those two 63s and then played and went par par, even par the next two rounds, he still wins the golf tournament. Like, that's how stunning those two 63s were. Yeah. It's a great fucking story with his with his son too, right? Like he hadn't won a while. I think it was a pretty decent gap, right, with him not winning, and then all of a sudden he has a son on the bag. Did I see 11 years? I want to say it was, I think 2009 was maybe the last time. It's when he won the open, right, in 2009? So, I mean. With that horrific green outfit going on when he

took down Tom Watson, everybody was rooting for Tom Watson. Everyone was rooting against him. That was those were tough times for Stewart. Yeah. He told a story on this show, actually, about when he knew everybody was rooting for Tom Watson, and he went and basically hid in the Porter Potty to make sure that he was second on the T, because he knew that if he arrived first on the T, that nobody would give a shit, and they would all just go crazy

for Tom Watson when he came up to the T second, and he wanted Tom Watson to realize that he had fans too. So he literally hid, allowed Tom Watson to go to the T first, and then he came second so that Tom Watson could hear the crowd give him an applause, which is amazing. It is funny. Tom Watson actually tweeted at him,

yesterday and he goes congratulations to Stuart Sink on winning the RBC Heritage. You played some great golf in one of my favorite tournaments on one of my favorite golf courses, enjoy your victory. Which I saw some people were like, that's kind of like passive aggressive where it's like you just I can't get away from you. That's my favorite

course, favorite tournament, you want it. Like I just fucking hate you. Tom Watson's just like I hate Stewart Sink so much. I hate his son. I mean, these are all just, this is me just making jokes, but I like to think that that's what he's saying. Yeah, I saw a lot of people are taking that.

Like is Tom, is Tom Latson throwing serious shade at Stuart Sink right now? But yeah, it's nice, again, to see somebody older. He's got the cool story with the sun going on. And then the other kind of new professional game is Lydia Co. One, again, she's, you know, a lot of people are making the comparison to Jordan Speath,

who, you know, they were at the top of the game, major champs. Lydia Coe has been doing the thing forever. She turned professional in 2013. and she's only 23 years old right now. Bro, I watched that final round on Saturday night. They did a Saturday night final round in Hawaii. I was debating between watching that or spending $50 on that triller nonsense,

the Jake Paul Ben Ascran fight. I didn't end up paying for it because I just had a feeling it was going to be a shit show, which it was. Some people liked it, whatever. But I ended up watching Lydia Coe and Nellie Corta battle down the stretch. Lydia Coe, this is not a surprise anyone, but she's just a robot. Like when she gets it going,

Nelly, Corta, she just couldn't get her putter going and it was pretty even for the first nine holes, maybe eight holes. And then Lydia Coe just like found a different gear. And Bertie, I want to say five of the next six holes and no one was going to catch her.

She, yeah, and she did mention Jordan Speath and Hideki Matsuyama and her post around press for being like, I saw those guys, you know, win after not winning for a long time. But just, I hadn't really sat down

and watched a lot of her rounds And watching that, it was one of the more impressive things I've seen. Yeah, and she's got, you know, like she's been through a bunch of different caddies, like swing coaches, equipment. Like, so, you know, there was a lot going in parallels to the speed thing of like there's a little bit of, you know, is she lost it? Is it mental? What's going on?

And for her to bounce back almost one, you know, a major championship a few weeks ago and then comes out and wins. But her stats, again, for being 23 years old. I mean, she was rookie of the year in 2008. 14. She has 16 LPGA wins. She's got 13 major top tens, two major victories. It was a thousand and 54 days in between wins and she's only 23. So think about going, like having all of those numbers and having that long of a time period between wins and only being 23 years. Like she's not even, there's a lot of people like on the PJA tour that we see that don't even make it to professional golf until they're older than 23.

Like, look at Zalotauras. What is he? Like, 26 or something like that. 24. And he's just coming out and everyone's like, oh, this guy's appearing on the scene. She's been doing it for fucking eight years and she's 23. It's amazing. And she was number one in the world when she was 17, I want to say. Like preposterous. This is one stood out to me. Lydia Coe's last 100 holes.

One eagle, 39 birdies, 59 pars, one bogey. That's preposterous. Jesus, that's so different than our scorecards, man. It was fun watching her. It was really fun. That Saturday night final round in Hawaii. Like, I really enjoyed sitting down and watching that. She is, she's insane.

We talk about real quickly, Sewell Kim and his putt. I mean, just as dumb of a rule, and we've gone through this a million times with the fucking PGA tour and golf in general. but this fucking guy's ball sat on that edge and was slowly rolling into that hole. You got Mac, you got Coacher saying, I'm watching the ball. I mean, did you guys see this back and forth between the rules official Cocher and Steve

Kim? It is so funny the fact that they have to argue with this guy. And he's like, you just don't understand the rule. It's like, no, you just don't understand the fucking rule, man. This ball was, this ball was slowly rolling into that. It never came to a full stop. everyone that was actually on the green watching this ball with their own two eyes have admitted it they've stood by it and they said that that ball was constantly rolling towards the pen

why does there need to be a shot clock on that thing it happens like once in a blue moon once every million puts will something like that happen why is that taken for an extra stroke why do you have to take a penalty there it was just another really really bad look for golf like that's just not we've said common sense rulings just make common sense rulings anyone on earth that's saw that was like, oh yeah, the ball just rolled and it took a while and then it like rolled into the hole and then you're going to add a penalty stroke because it's 10 seconds. If it just didn't stop rolling and everyone that's there said it didn't stop rolling it

continued to move and then clearly it did because it went into the hole. That is my thing, Ray. Like how can you not say A and B? Like A, I hit the ball and B it went into the fucking cup. How could you assess me a stroke in between there? There is no in between. I did not take it. Nothing happened.

I struck the guy. ball, it rolled. It did not stop. Technically, it did not stop. And you know how we know it didn't stop until it went to the hole because it went into the hole. That is how nothing else happened. It just continuously rolled until it went into the hole. That's just what happened. Right. There's nothing abstract about this scenario. He, he struck the golf ball and then it went into the hole. That was, those are just the things that happened. So I, how, I, I, I can't even wrap my brain around making a different ruling because those are, there's not like, um, oh, did it, did it, did it oscillate when somebody was doing something in the weeds?

Let's get a super slow moment. No, guess what? It's finite. He just, he struck it, and then it went into this little hole in the ground, which is what he was trying to do. And when it goes into the hole in the ground,

that's just deemed the holes over and that's his score. And then they just added a stroke out of the clouds. That was one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen. What's the difference between that and like a 200 foot green that has a slope that comes all the way down, and the ball slowly trickles down towards the hole? just because, like, us on the camera angle just couldn't see it, like, constantly moving there for the, whatever it was 30 seconds, minute. Like, I just don't understand why the amount of time goes against Siwu Kim because the ball wasn't rolling from a longer distance.

It was slowly moving. Let me ask you this. If Tiger's chip shot on the 16th total of Augusta National in 2005, if, remember that ball hangs on the lip, if that ball just hangs on the lip for 11 seconds instead of, like, the two seconds, whatever it was, you're telling me they would just assess a penalty to Tiger Woods? how is that even a move? It does break my brain a little bit when you watch the video clip back and it's just sitting on the edge. Like how is that ball still moving? I get that people are saying that it was still moving.

But doesn't it get to a point where like it couldn't have been moving moving? Like I understand that the ball eventually goes in. But like doesn't there have to be at some point during where it's sitting on the edge that it has stopped moving? I think that it probably could I think at some point if you want to like break it down to seconds I want to make it clear I'm with you guys but if you watch that clip back

there's no way that during that whole time that it's moving moving see I agree but I think within like each 10 second interval maybe a dimple here and there like slowly turned over and they're like oh wait look at this thing like you know what I mean like I think it really took its time and they saw a little bit of movement every couple seconds and they're like this thing's gonna go in the hole like i know it you could see cooters

like that thing's still moving yeah so i think if you're gonna take the logic that like all right it rested for 10 seconds like all right maybe it rested for five or seven or 10 seconds but then it's slowly it's in towards the fucking hole again why are we not accounting that as like all right now start the clock now start the clock now start the clock now start the clock every time a dimple shifted just a little bit everyone on that green knew that ball is going in so i don't care what the fucking timing is. I don't care how long it stayed on that on that ledge. Seawul Kim and Mack and Kutcher do not are not going to lie about that. They're looking at that thing knowing it was going to go in. So like I trust them over that fucking rules official. Right. Yeah. So it was baffling.

I mean, and I even know we've all heard the 10 second thing and like mentioned it or said, but I didn't even know that they're going to be like that hard line or that that was even technically the rule. Like that could have just been to me it was almost like the five second rule that people say when you drop something on the ground. I was like, is that a real thing? And then the assessment penalty, one of the craziest things ever seen. Didn't it happen to JT a couple years ago?

It was hanging on the lip for, I want to say, like, eight seconds, and it dropped and it didn't cost him a stroke. I forget. PGA, when he won the PGA. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, that's what I thought. It was, but it didn't cross the 10 second mark.

He got it in under the time or whatever. Gotcha. Yeah, it is weird. There's just really, the whole thing was just weird, and it's just a bad look for golf. So one thing that's that's a good look for golf is Peter Millar, gentlemen. Really, really good thing. In general, we were already talking about Peter Mal earlier because, you know, we released a new spring line that's got hoodies.

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That was kind of the time when people started binging show. So it's a really good chat with Dean Norris. How you doing, guys? Great. We're doing great. How you doing? I'm doing good, man. Getting sick of Zoom shit, though, you know?

I couldn't do more. I'm so over the Zoom shit. Yeah. But, you know, I guess it's good. We have something to get back to work, right? That's right. That is right. How are you doing?

So, I mean, we're obviously pumped to have you. I'm Riggs. We got Frankie and Trent. And, you know, we understand you're a big golf guy. So we're excited to chat. Oh, sweet, man. In fact, I'm playing as soon as we're done with this chat. Ooh, you won't keep you too long then.

You have a tea time that you're going to be late to or what? Uh, no. Um, uh, no, no, it was scheduled a little later in the day anyway. You can't get on the course these days, man, the quarantine, like everyone's playing golf now. Yeah. I don't know if that's true. Are you guys on the East Coast where you at? Yeah. Um, New York for most of, well, Trent and I are New York. Riggs is relocated to Arizona. So he got away from the madness and he's been able to play in Scotts. But yeah, New York's been crazy. You know, we talk to a lot of these clubs around here, and they're saying, like, you know, even private clubs or, like,

play has doubled, right? Because, like, it's the only thing people are able to do. So the courses are getting beat up more than usual. And there's just no slots to, you know, back last year or two years ago, you're able to go out there and there's no one around in times like this. So, yeah, it's a good thing for the game, though, oddly, the pandemic. Yeah, I think so. I think that a lot of golf courses are going to be saved, you know?

Yeah. Because that certainly has happened around here. it's funny because they shut down for like a couple weeks and it's like why would you shut down golf when it's outside you're clearly socially distanced you know and so me and my cup my golf buddies we would walk a couple courses that were shut down and that was our you know that was our entertainment during the severe part of the quarantine yeah I'm out in California but I'm outside LA a place called Cemecula that we have a lot of good golf courses. It's about an hour and a half outside of L.A. Actually, Ricky Fowler went to high school here. Oh, interesting. You know Ricky at all?

I don't know him, but I used to see him when I first started. I just started golf, actually. I moved back here about 20 years ago. And at some point, he would be a middle school kid playing at the golf range that I kind of practiced at. and he was a phenom, you know, and people would just watch him hit balls. And then, of course, he has a couple of course records around here in high school. You know, he shot a 62 on this one course that we play a lot.

A 62 in high school, I was like, hmm, right. Man, we got one of our favorite guests, Doug Gim, who almost won the U.S. Amateur. He finished low AM at the Masters, and now he's kind of making his waves on the tour. But he played like high school golf in Chicago. and, you know, he's just infinitely better than everybody else. And his stories from high school golf are laugh out loud funny. Yeah.

Just like, as in. Just like his team would finish dead last, like 28 strokes behind the second to last team. And he would win the whole tournament individual by like 15. Just awful. Yeah. It's amazing, man. It's such a great game, man. And it's amazing that you can play at all these different levels.

Like, I have so much fun. I'm not that great. But you can compete, you know. I mean, we play for money, not a lot of money. But, you know, that $20, you know, it's like you really want to win it, you know. And you're competing with guys. It's like it's just a great sport that you can play at different levels, you know. And with the handicap system, you can, you know, everyone's kind of playing on a even footing, at least for that day, you know.

How long have you been playing? Do you pick it up earlier or just for the whole? last couple years or how long you've been playing? Yeah, I wish I played it longer. I wish I played it as a kid. When I was a kid, it wasn't cool to play golf. I've been playing a little over 15 years now. All right.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And I'm still figuring it out. You always figure it out, right? I don't think that ever ends. Nobody ever ends it out. You watch the pros after they get done with the tournament.

They go straight to the range. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. And they got coaches, right, the whole time. So, you know. Oh, yeah. that always stuns me right when like the best players in the world have coaches like i've always said

that like michael jordan had a coach like it's just and it always at the end of the day like you're going to tell me the best of all time listen to someone else tell him how to play the sport but i guess they need it right like you need like a reset in your brain you need another set of eyes like i guess it does make sense but man like tiger woods going through coaches to me is just so crazy you need that other set of eyes because like the feel versus real thing that we were talking about last week where it's just like you think you're doing one thing and then somebody looks at it and like no dude you're actually up here when you think you're there and if you don't have that it's it's infuriating that is so that is so right you know i have a buddy of mine is always

semi-coaches me but i'll i'm like i'm totally lined up straight i'm fucking lined up straight and he's like step back you know i'm a shit man i'm right to the right not you know it's uh You know, I would have swore I was dead on, you know. And he puts the little stick down and I'm off like a foot, you know. It's incredible. Dude, my big one is like ball position, you know. I'll be like, I'll think my driver's way forward in my stance where it's supposed to be. And like, we're playing with kids and he's chirped me.

He's like, why is your driver off your back foot? I'm like, what are you talking about? Look at the footage and you're like, oh, shit, it is off my back foot. Yeah, yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. Does that apply to acting as well? You know, we're all big fans of you.

And, you know, you have these characters in which we've fallen in love with. And you know how to play the character better than anyone else. And then someone may come in and tell you, oh, you did something different this time or wrong. Does the coaching aspect come into play for you? If they do that, I generally punch them, you know. Now, it's, well, that's the director's position in the acting, you know. to do and I think what they do is more if they mainly like dial it in like put a little this on it or put a little less on this or we need a little more of this or a little less of this

kind of thing it's it's more like that dialing in what they want for that scene you know how they want that scene to be presented what they need you to do in order to get there so that's kind of the directors though that's their that's their position really in acting so So folks know, I mean, we, this is sometimes we just start talking about people. We got Dean Norris on. We're going to put all that in because we're just talking golf. We're talking life. We're talking whatever the hell we want to talk about.

Has this been recorded? Have we been recording? Oh, yeah. This is just, we just record. Of course, he's a part of what I would say, a huge part. Obviously, DEA agent Hank Schrader in what I would say is the best show ever created, Breaking Bad. And, you know, you had a ton of different roles.

I was going back through your photography. Like, you've been doing this. the damn thing in terms of your listing since like 85. So you have been around, you've been in a lot of different stuff, you've been a terminated, have been a lethal weapon. And I was curious, like, you sort of get the role of like a badass. Have you always kind of had the role or felt like you had the role of just kind of

badass dude? I kind of definitely early on, I think. I'm not sure exactly why. But yeah, I've got a lot of those roles over time. I mean, after, you know, after Breaking Bad, which, believe it or not, it's like, I've done, I'm three shows in now after Breaking Bad. I've made a conscious effort to try to go comedy, you know, which was, which actually wasn't a suggestion from Brian Cranston as well. I said, you know, the best thing you can do is just something completely different than what you just did, you know. So, tried to move in that direction just because it's fun and because it's a different.

completely different animal, you know? So maybe early on I did. I don't know why, but now I'm trying to, maybe I can play a bad assing comedy. That'd be fun too. Yeah, because Brian Branson, that's a great example, right? He went from Malcolm in the middle for them being Walter White. Like, you cannot have two more different roles than that.

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. And it's just, and I'm not sure what the reasoning is other than just challenging yourself and saying, you know, fuck it, might as well do something completely different and see how you do, you know? with Breaking Bad, was there a moment that sticks out to where you knew it was something different, where you knew it was going to be this thing that was going to live on forever?

Well, there was the moment where we read. Everyone had this experience reading the pilot. Son of a fun, man, that's the best thing we've ever read, you know. And then there's the moment where you go, I wonder if we can get that on film. And then there's the moment where we saw it. We said, God, that's the best thing we've ever seen. but no one will ever watch it. So there was that early moment of going,

this is really brilliant stuff. And I think it was close to season three where we started to get people, particularly in the business and the early adopters, if you will, really started saying, man, this show is special, the show is special.

But still no one saw it. They were like, we're like, we're on AMC. Where's that? 364. I don't know where to fuck you. it is that you know seriously man and uh and so it was after

season three right into season four where it really and because that's what Netflix picked it up too and Netflix picked it up and far more people saw it on Netflix that ever saw it live on AMC and it started rolling and then you know we made our final deals

in the final end of the show before it really took off uh they had already knew they were going to do only you know the final season final two seasons and between the fifth season and the six season, it just, you know, it was like the Rolling Stones for about six months. You know, it was like really happening. So I'm not sure at what point we knew it would live on the way it did and has.

But somewhere in that Netflix area, we started thinking, all right, you know, I think they actually coined binge watching on, I believe that's true for Breaking Bad. It was the first show that they really, people binge to watch. watched. And at that point, we started to realize, oh, it's going to live like a good novel on the shelf and people will be able to watch it. Young kids will be able to watch it, you know, as they grow older and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it kind of took on its own life. As a lot of good, you know, any good show now does, it lives on, you know, instead of just being on the air for for that Sunday. It's crazy, man, hearing you describe because that was my exact

experience. Like that was binge watching Breaking Bad was like the first thing I ever binge watched and that's like you're right. Whenever I hear that term the first thing I think of is those days when I would just shut the blinds sitting my fucking bed and

just watch episode after episode of Breaking Bad. Yeah. Yeah. And I think they learned I mean I don't want to say because I'm not I'm not the head of Netflix but I believe that they learned from that. And said, uh-oh, we need to create great content ourselves so that we're not beholding to other

people to have to buy that content. And that's, I believe, when they really cranked in and started doing a whole bunch of their own stuff and developing basically their own library, you know, because they realized that, oh, because that was a new thing, you know, people would sit down and watch, you know, five, two, three, four, ten episodes in a row. And they needed, they needed the content that would, uh, that would justify that, you know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. It is like, it's interesting to hear you talk to about your guys' experience, like, reading the pilot and understanding that it's awesome once you get into it. But that, like, selling it to other people, because even when people ask, you know, about recommending a show and you say, like, oh, breaking bad, like, oh, what's it about?

And you give them kind of the elevator pitch. It doesn't sound like that sexy. You're like, no, like, trust me, you've got to get into it. It's just so true about it. I think there's a great story of that Vince. tell you know Vince tried to sell Vince Gilligan who wrote this show uh tried to sell this for two years and it was turned down by literally every single every single um HBO all of them two years he was depressed and they finally i think his agent finally got him into a pitch with these guys at

at Sony and as the story goes they did the pitch and the guy said you know what that's the single worst idea I've ever heard for a TV show, but you guys are so into it. You're so passionate. We're going to, we're going to do it. Man, that's so much. That's just so crazy to comprehend because of how big it is. It's iconic. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's amazing the starts of these iconic shows. Like we talked to Brian Baumgartner and, and like no one wanted to pick up the office because it was a reboot of the, of the, the UK version. It's just like, and now you look back at, Breaking Bad and the office. And these are two,

two shows that will live on forever. Until obviously the sun explodes and then we're all not going to be here anymore, but I'm not going to get into that. Sorry about that. That's not going to happen anytime sooner, right? You guys got some insight? I need to hear. Well,

Frankie Fats he does and his kind of his brain's a little. Well, we sometimes think about the universe on here. What do you think? What do you think about the universe? You ever think about it? I think it's there. I think I do.

I think way too much about it, man. I believe it's there. That's for sure. For sure. Like we're just floating around out here. Yeah, we are. And there's, and you know, I was just talking to, man, my wife just mentioned it. They did something, I think it was a Hubble telescope, right?

Yeah. And they kind of focused into a little, little thing and really magnified it. And it was just pure light so that there were stars in this little spot for as, you know, infinite in that. So then you take that across the hole. and that's how many stars and things are out there in the universe, right? It's horrifying, dude. It is horrifying. So, yeah, the other question is that was going to be my next question.

Does that horrify you, like it horrifies Frankie, or does that bring you comfort just being like a very small piece of a much larger picture? No, man, it horrifies me. Hell yeah. I think it sucks. Yeah, I think it's... It's the reason I play golf, man, to forget about the fucking universe, right? It's such a good way to realize how meaningless you are.

You're just like, you're the most meaningless thing ever. Yeah. And you think like, what's happening today? I'm going to do a little shit today. Like, oh, man, that's how much fucking stars around there that they could give two shits about any of us. We're floating on a rock through an ever, never ending galaxy. And we're sitting on a golf course thinking about how we'd didn't we weren't able to chip over a bunker and we just duffed it into the bunker and now we got

to hit our fifth trial it's like you know it's it's like you're saying it's the complete opposite of what's actually happening in reality and that's why golf is so good but